Your dad is 73 ? And still given you great memories my dad was huge in fishing manly an oyster man I think it's every boys dream for their dad to go crawling up in some muddy cave /hole in the ground absolutely awesome gotta love our dad's moms too😊
Love the line “I usually live, sometimes I don’t those are the rough days”. Everyone has days like that but that it probably the best way to describe it.
Hey it's me again! I've been watching your channel for as long as I can remember (and your main one) and I've never been bored! Thanks so much for keeping us entertained throughout corona!
‘We have to decide when to go in the city’ more truer now than ever before. I live near Chicago so I feel that statement. I use to fish, hunt all over Illinois and Indiana. Work/ career took over but watching your vids just might inspire me to get back out when the weather turns. I’ll be turning 50 this year, just might be the right time to reconnect with the great outdoors.
Nice and young! The city has things which I like. Eating out at restaurants, going to the mall, movies, concerts etc. But when everything shut down I didn't complain, I just leveled up my hiking. It's easy to wish things were different or the old way. But I want to face the fact that THIS is what we have. And I make decisions based on the way things are, not the way I wish things could be. It's a brave new chapter.
@@EvenDarker So true, so very true. Adapt and overcome. As they say, wish in one hand and crap in the other, see which fills up faster lol. I wish you a very happy new year the whole year long and thank you for sharing your adventures. You have opened up my eyes to something I once said just about a month ago that you were nuts to be doing to actually being an inspiration. Good evening.
It’s awesome to see you out there with your dad. It def makes me miss mine. He was very outdoorsy and a hands on type of guy. 😊 It put a smile on my face to see you two out there enjoying yourselves. Love the videos. Much love from AZ 🌵
Ever since I've found these videos, I've been hooked! I can watch these all day. I love the way you narrate as you go along. It makes me feel like I'm going through the caves with you. Keep up the excellent work and much love from Detroit, Michigan.
I would imagine a volcano would be your best chance at finding your way into the extreme under deep of the Earth. An adventure on that scale when finding the entrance to that would be a many day experience. I would imagine if you find the right opening you could spend a full week or more in such depths. What is the deepest you have gone? And have you found any hints to such entrances to the vast under dark? The caves under the mountain have always been something of a fantasy of mine. As some volcano's are connected to the deepest parts of our Earth. All of them were at one point, and still are today, I am positive of this. Very few are brave enough to find this knowledge in our modern age. Much of the past research has been lost, or taken with those who never made it back out.
In proper chronological order and less edited. You'll get a better idea of what really happened and the real level of danger vs not danger. *This cave has now received a proper accurate map including the new new passage we accidentally discovered. The mapping team was very thorough, uncovering passage that even we did not find on this trip. So that's all good news for future generations of cavers who wander in. And it makes a nice tidy end to the story.
Enjoyed the video i'm always excited when you upload new videos my favorite are when you discover them yourself, hopefully 2022 can bless you with more undiscovered caves.
First video of 2022 (on the mainpage) is a newly discovered cave. It's got a horrible, horrible entrance and then a nice big walk through cave with formations. I cannot stress how awful the entrance is.
Love the unedited videos! I've never been in a cave that you could get lost in for more than a couple of minutes. I think I would be pretty nervous. Looks like you were undisturbed by it. Looking forward to all you upcoming uploads!
Yeah objectively it was no problem. Still get a little nervous once I'm turned around but in a way I'd rather it happened than not. It makes the experience more fun and there's no real concern of getting permanently lost. It's like being lost in a city that you're not familiar with. You'll get out! It just takes more time.
We call it a cave hug when we are in in small areas which give us a sense of comfort. But I'm like you where it's the large areas that are scary... They are large and ominous and make me feel swallowed by the darkness.
That formation room is simply stunning!! It’d be interesting to make a drawing/painting of all this!! Don’t think I’d do it justice however And kudos to bad dad he can fairly move! I’m afraid even though I’m 20 years younger that I’d have a hard time doing that
Dad here. As a family, we were too poor to go to adventure parks etc, but loved the remote outdoors. One thing led to another. Calvin took caving seriously after his graduation from college and some connections he made. We all love finding unmapped places. Most are underground. Btw, you are a great follower. TY
I actually don't mind getting lost every now & then. Its a healthy reminder to expect the unexpected. I did it for the first time in many years a few weeks ago. Not caving but lost on cliff faces in chest high grass hiding sheer cliffs in every direction. I followed your golden rule and let patience be my guide.
Yeah it's the same we don't mind getting lost. Not lost in the sense that we can never get out just lost in the sense that we don't know where we are exactly. Anybody who does any hiking or stuff like that gets themselves turned around and knows that ultimately you'll still get home.
I lived in Seattle for almost 3 years. I took up sailing & rock climbing. I wish I knew about caving, I might have tried it. I love your videos. I'm not sure if I like them because of the adventurer in me, the explorer in me or for some other reason but I like them.
Just when you thought this was a cozy stroll in a standup cave...BANG! That last area was a nice tight squeeze! Especially fun for you Calvin, being a bit lost also I'd imagine lol. Great job gentlemen 👍
Yes it's a fun little cave. I think there's one more area that needs pushing but we will have to wait till Spring as there is 10 feet of snow there now.
happy new year!-Love watching you explore the earths anatomy. it's amazing you're willing to go through these tedious cave systems nobody has ever seen before, and also recording it, editing and sharing it. thanks for posting over the holidays! very nice video today too.
The forested regions of the Pacific Northwest are massive and mostly open to the public. So much yet to be discovered. We have yet to encounter other people in these remote caves.
Honestly the cities are so dangerous these days, I used to live in Colorado and hiking in the Rockies was so much fun and a lot safer than walking around Denver. Nature is amazing
Yes the last few years, objectively leaving the city has been the safer hobby. Violence and illness included. Want to be healthy and happy? Go for a walk in the woods! This used to be understood by society. Though, it is not lost on all of us.
I wish y’all could come to Victoria Australia, I free climb caves and old gold mines, tho I still need to get my ropes license to get deeper on exploration
That sounds super fun. Perhaps in due time you will learn the ropes and make your way into deeper exploration. It certainly opens up a new world of caving. I've been to Australia a couple times but it's been many years. Would love to visit but travel right now is a bit strange, as you may know.
@@EvenDarker that is very true, and Australia has over half a million Covid cases country wide atm so I hope no one comes to Australia till this pandemic is over. Tho hopefully in that time we could possibly meet in the future of caving. I’d love to travel to the USA and UK and other parts of the world as it brings more adventures.
I saw caves in the Blue Mountains outside Sydney and tried coastal sea caves. I cannot recommend walking with sharks. Once was quite enough for me. Rope license? Never had that, since 1964. Did SRT or DdRT as needed in ice or rock caves I get my technical gear at Wes Spur Tree Equipment.
When you find s tube entry look around the surface for a USGS brass fixture. Meaning, the entry was not ignored and an existing place name or science data may be on file.
This cave is capped. But the map was very old. Now it has a shiny new map. This excursion was part of our pushing the cave for the new map. We've located and mapped a few hundred new caves in the area... so a little bit behind the capping. It's probably an era that is ending unless a cave is rather huge or public. It's just so simple to keep track of things online with GPS coordinates.
One of the volcanoes where we cave is very active. That doesn't mean it's dangerous but it does erupt and billow smoke and lava to some small degree all the time. I was alive during the last major eruption and it filled some of these caves with sand and debris. We've never triggered anything by being in a cave. That I know of.
Not prevalent but sometimes. It depends on the location and geographical landscape. There are some erosional caves under the lava fields. And I mean under them. A friend of mine recently found a carving tool of some sort that probably predates the lava field. It's perhaps 10,000 years old. Which is I think the coolest thing anyone's ever found down there.
For sure. Some of the really blast caves are super similar to Geiger Art. I have a map of a cave that I used aliens as the background. Since I like those movies, it makes these caves seem more cool to me all the time. Never gets old.
Oh*!! Here's a question also. All things considered,, "CRAZY TWILIGHT ZONE TIMES " what's right is wrong, and what's wrong is right human thought processing these days" have you considered building an underground escape route to safety for living incase of a phenomenal melt down of society/bizarrely driven crap!.. Be safe as always, ✌️
Wouldn't have to build one, these caves are ready to go. 1 I believe this is the end of Western Civilization as we know it. At least, by philosophy. 2 I believe society will continue in relative safety and comfort, due to (in developed countries) our vast wealth.
Firstly, happy New years guys and thanks for all the uploads I truly love to see your experiences and adventures. I have one stupid question though. Is there GPS or any type of communication underground like this? GPS? Just curious. Keep the videos coming and stay safe!
It's not a stupid question. All the good technical questions are on this 2nd channel! Nothing works underground. GPS above ground but the moment you are under nothing works. No radio no GPS. Navigation in the cave is either done by memory or by map. Maps are made using lasers which are extremely accurate. Communication in caves is usually just not done. But you can crack a rock on the wall and hear that quite a ways through a cave. I mean thousands of feet.
@@EvenDarker thanks for the response. I believe I'm a subscriber on the other channel as well. I'll check it out ,I figured you had probably answered that somewhere. Thanks again and keep the videos coming
It depends. We have a lot of limestone caves around here but they are all smaller than the lava tubes. Cavers are a weird group of people. Often petty. They like the kind of caves that are near them and they will for no reason at all be disrespectful of other kinds of caves. Its the strangest thing.
The map of that cave, was it done by Charlie Larson? He mapped many of the caves in Oregon and Washington back in the day. I would love it if you pm'ed the name of that cave, thanks!
This is Gremlin Cave. Jim Nieland was the original mapper. The newest map is by Garry Petrie. Many, if not most of the old maps were done by Nieland or Larson, of course.
@@EvenDarker Thank you. I don't believe I know Jim Nieland but I know the name. Back in the 80's Charlie, and myself help start The Oregon High Desert Grotto. Back when we could explore all those awesome caves. Gremlin cave reminds me of Charlie the Cave which is now gated. I just found your channels and love your adventures.
Where does the void come from. I thought the lava would just stop flowing and get hard and keep this whole thing like solid lava cap. How do these tunnels form? Is there the middle just I just don’t understand how that would work.
Yeah, you'd probably have to read about how lava flow turns into caves. It's pretty weird. Lava caves can be fairly intricate at times. Some things we simply don't have explanation for.
It's tough to say. There's one crawl that takes about 9 hours to get through to a very big spacious beautiful cave. It's miserable and maybe in history only a dozen people have done it. But Jacob went with me and he said it was easy!
that cave looks awesome... I'm just wondering, you say its a volcano... are there any caves that are deep enough to be warm or hot from the magma beneath?
No. Because the magma rolls along the surface of the Earth and burns down into the Earth. Making most of these surface tubes. There are a couple of the lava caves which are flat and wide and on Sunny days have a very interesting way of thermal heating. Otherwise these caves are mostly freezing. Nearer to the Volcano there are some Hot Springs essentially. There there heat is from the Volcano itself. But they're pretty close. Like in the caldron!
Hey, I’m a huge fan. Would you ever have like even 15m just to go on a zoom call with me or some form of communication. You really inspire me and I have so many questions. My dad is a biologist for so many years and some of the rock and mineral formations fascinate him. He also has many questions for you and I hope you stay motivated becuase your regular uploads on both channels have been a weekly family RUclips routine for our family. Thanks so mich
You can ask any question you want. Especially here on the 2nd page. I think my email is listed in a couple places as well as my Instagram account. We try to answer questions either here or in subsequent videos. Once the channel grows enough we will likely go live at times where people can ask live questions * There were also a couple question and answer videos on this channel as well as a couple interviews that we did. they answer most people's questions. And other questions may be answered in our videos.
@@EvenDarker thankyou for the fast response, I am unable to find your email. Are you able to send it? You can deleate it after if you don’t want it in the comments. Edit… also, it would have to be some form of live call. I couldent just email you the questions I have like 100 I’m so fascinated
I enjoy your Channel, but one question keeps coming to mind. What kind of backup plan do you have if you get trapped, lost or injured? Safety First, Thanks very much for your efforts. Take care.
We are part of a group of cavers. You'll see more of the other guys and gals as the channel moves forward. We have a basic system of countability. We all know where each other is and can rescue each other without any trouble. And that's like plan F. There is a plan BCD and E. Plenty of safety protocol which we generally don't go over because it's just kind of boring. And we like people that get mad at us for being "unsafe."
@@EvenDarker Let's keep it a secret than. I just want to go on see you and people do get killed doing things like this. My uncle, warned us about cave-ins in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, some were so sketchy that even loud noises could be a problem. There was also old Dynamite---nothing ever happened, but I was scared a time or two nonetheless. Catch you later.
We're I was looking for bigfoot. We see plenty of black bears but they don't have any interest in humans. Plenty of short interesting encounters with various critters. ruclips.net/video/QFQoXwnMDXM/видео.html
Yes. Finally a question I can say yes to! Not much in these wet lava tubes but there are lots of caves in the area that have Native American paintings and artwork as well as evidence of some use of cave entrances. We will have some videos of those in the future. Some are pretty Dang mysterious. Native Americans clearly used one cave to live in but no one knows why as it is away from all natural resources. It's on top of a rocky is rocky bluff. Is super dangerous and no food or water around. Hopefully we will get there this Spring!
@@EvenDarker awesome! I would love to see that. I saw some once in Arizona near the topock gorge on the Colorado River. great channel by the way, and thanks for responding!
No nothing would happen. We talk a little bit about earthquakes in this video. ruclips.net/video/9JEv-ID48cg/видео.html As well as in any of the interviews videos which are on this page. It's often people's first question and it has a boring answer. Earthquakes do nothing to these caves, in general.
No thanks, Theres a ton of cool outdoor things to do that are much less likely to kill you if something goes wrong. but trying to shimmy through orfices that you may go into perfectly fine in one direction, but not be able to shimmy through in the opposite direction is not my idea of fun. to each his own but not for me.
Volcanoes are waking up guys , I'm sorry but it's in the area of yellow stone , I'm in fla so I not worried, but your under ground for fun , so I u know what for you guys , : ( 👍🤓
The Volcano that created this cave is active and spewing smoke all the time. It had a major eruption in the 80s and small eruptions as recent as 10 or 15 years ago. We are always hoping for more lava!
We're you ever able to get into nutty putty before they closed it due to that terrible John Jones accident? R.I.P Also just like your opinion on keeping the cave closed for good? Some agree others dont.
There's no need to close a cave. The problem was it was a public cave and drew a lot of amateurs. Which is OK but eventually people get showing and end up getting in trouble. They could have gated off the difficult sections. from my understanding it's not a large cave, nor is it difficult it's just a bit costrophobic. The John Jones death will always be an anomaly. Something like if someone fell off the top of the building and then they closed all buildings so that people wouldn't fall off the top of them any more. It's just a bizarre circumstance that people have reacted to strangely.
@@EvenDarker You keep saying this, but the John Jones accident was not an "anomaly". With the public traffic that cave got there were a lot of young people in their teens and twenties getting stuck ....which most folks find unacceptable. And with the number of accidents and rescues happening, a death was probably inevitable. I did a little poking around on the internet and it looks like just between 1999 and 2004 there were at least 6 prior rescues of young people who got seriously stuck attempting to squeeze through some very narrow passages, with one of the last ones happening in nearly the same location as the John Jones tragedy. Although successful, it was a horrendously difficult rescue. Then the was cave completely closed for some years, only finally being reopened after being gated with restricted access, yet the Jones tragedy still occurred. Clearly the cave had some very dangerous areas that should have been restricted to all but serious, high level cavers. This was not done, a gruesome and highly publicized accident happened, so predictably the public outcry resulted in the permanent closure of the cave. That's the way things work.
I don't remember. There's lots of little passages in these caves. This cave has since been thoroughly mapped so we now know all its passages. And the map we created has twice as much passage as the original map which was wrong and the reason for my... Losing the path
Yeah the caving world is a very private world. You can find success on the Internet but you have to be... skillful and persistent. I once sat on my phone for 8 hours straight and ended up finding a map to a cave in our local area on a Korean geological website. But you'll find little success outside of joining a state recognized caving group. In the US we call them grottos and there are multiple grotto's per state. They are the keepers of the caves. Some of them are friendly and open to outsiders, while others are not. It is not a difficult world to break into but it does have its borders. If you're serious about doing some caving, that's the road the path you'll have to take. It's like fight club. You can join, but you can't talk about it. Good luck.
Hey 👋 fellas! I am* to simply put this, a carpenter/painter/Mason/landscaper/iron welder/ basic electrical skills /framing etc.... Jack of all trades ',, but still better than a master one*"... Point 👉: can you guys tell if you can build rooms /hallways/ I know pipe cam be ran etc.. but, just wondering even though by just rule of respectively knowingly NOT* to tamper or build on sacredness magically made beautifully all natural carved caves ... just a hypothetical an curiosity only, could you frame anything down there?. Unlike the Ozarks with limestone i believe, not my expertise im.sure you an you brother would know that .thanks guys! FYI/btw I get extremely stoked to.watch.ya guys in tunnels man! GREAT MORALLY DRIVEN COMPASS 🧭 👍 👌
The rule is to leave no trace. Never tamper, construct, remove or destruct. But these rules are "broken" by organized decisions. Some caves are developed to make them safer. Some are altered to create entrances... or to remove entrances. But the rule (and law) is not to tamper.
@@EvenDarker right! Agreed 👍. Mainly asking, if the materials of lava rock 🪨 could possibly be used if needed as an absolute structurally made place for safety etc. Curiosity is the main focus for me, and totally agree with not only the rule in caving, but as a general rule for all of nature.. just curious on how strong the lava rock is an could be by your professional experienced opinion. I don't like Googling everything, if I have an opportunity to talk to aore authentic experienced hands on source, I prefer that much better.. feels more realistic to me if I can say that, ha!. Thanks for replying btw..
Man, I have to give your dad a lot of credit....as physically active as he is at 73 years old. You guys are so awesome.
"I wonder if I'm lost, that would be cool!"
Words of a true madman!
Your dad is 73 ? And still given you great memories my dad was huge in fishing manly an oyster man I think it's every boys dream for their dad to go crawling up in some muddy cave /hole in the ground absolutely awesome gotta love our dad's moms too😊
Love the line “I usually live, sometimes I don’t those are the rough days”. Everyone has days like that but that it probably the best way to describe it.
Yes, thanks.
Hey it's me again! I've been watching your channel for as long as I can remember (and your main one) and I've never been bored! Thanks so much for keeping us entertained throughout corona!
Thanks Clive. We appreciate your support. We know who you are.
@@EvenDarker ☺️
‘We have to decide when to go in the city’ more truer now than ever before. I live near Chicago so I feel that statement. I use to fish, hunt all over Illinois and Indiana. Work/ career took over but watching your vids just might inspire me to get back out when the weather turns. I’ll be turning 50 this year, just might be the right time to reconnect with the great outdoors.
Nice and young!
The city has things which I like. Eating out at restaurants, going to the mall, movies, concerts etc. But when everything shut down I didn't complain, I just leveled up my hiking.
It's easy to wish things were different or the old way. But I want to face the fact that THIS is what we have. And I make decisions based on the way things are, not the way I wish things could be.
It's a brave new chapter.
@@EvenDarker So true, so very true. Adapt and overcome. As they say, wish in one hand and crap in the other, see which fills up faster lol. I wish you a very happy new year the whole year long and thank you for sharing your adventures. You have opened up my eyes to something I once said just about a month ago that you were nuts to be doing to actually being an inspiration. Good evening.
It’s awesome to see you out there with your dad. It def makes me miss mine. He was very outdoorsy and a hands on type of guy. 😊 It put a smile on my face to see you two out there enjoying yourselves. Love the videos. Much love from AZ 🌵
Ever since I've found these videos, I've been hooked! I can watch these all day. I love the way you narrate as you go along. It makes me feel like I'm going through the caves with you. Keep up the excellent work and much love from Detroit, Michigan.
Thank you for your straightforward kind words.
I just discovered your channel by accident. I am really enjoying your videos & commentary. Thanks for showing the underground to us!
I would imagine a volcano would be your best chance at finding your way into the extreme under deep of the Earth. An adventure on that scale when finding the entrance to that would be a many day experience. I would imagine if you find the right opening you could spend a full week or more in such depths.
What is the deepest you have gone? And have you found any hints to such entrances to the vast under dark?
The caves under the mountain have always been something of a fantasy of mine. As some volcano's are connected to the deepest parts of our Earth. All of them were at one point, and still are today, I am positive of this.
Very few are brave enough to find this knowledge in our modern age. Much of the past research has been lost, or taken with those who never made it back out.
In proper chronological order and less edited. You'll get a better idea of what really happened and the real level of danger vs not danger.
*This cave has now received a proper accurate map including the new new passage we accidentally discovered. The mapping team was very thorough, uncovering passage that even we did not find on this trip. So that's all good news for future generations of cavers who wander in. And it makes a nice tidy end to the story.
Damn bro, now you had me scared again. Thank you for sharing the experience.
Happy new year!
Dad here. I wasn’t concerned. Had Calvin taken just a little longer on the second exploration, I’d have eaten his sandwich.
Enjoyed the video i'm always excited when you upload new videos my favorite are when you discover them yourself, hopefully 2022 can bless you with more undiscovered caves.
First video of 2022 (on the mainpage) is a newly discovered cave. It's got a horrible, horrible entrance and then a nice big walk through cave with formations.
I cannot stress how awful the entrance is.
Dad here. Awful entrances insure these caves stay quite unknown. They are very remote anyway, but the added barrier is fine with us.
Love the unedited videos! I've never been in a cave that you could get lost in for more than a couple of minutes. I think I would be pretty nervous. Looks like you were undisturbed by it. Looking forward to all you upcoming uploads!
Yeah objectively it was no problem.
Still get a little nervous once I'm turned around but in a way I'd rather it happened than not. It makes the experience more fun and there's no real concern of getting permanently lost.
It's like being lost in a city that you're not familiar with. You'll get out! It just takes more time.
Beautiful banter.
It’s how we calm the nerves in tight places. It works, too.
"I'm a film director, in my own movie, that no one knows they're in." - Caveman
That is so true.
I have no need for a film director in my exploration.
"Can you shovel s*** ?"
Quote from a Mad Max film, THUNDERDOME.
Great content lads love the vids gets the anxiety pumping no way I could do it respect
It’s addictive for sure. Imagine that!
Everything looks so small in a cave until you see someone there for perspective. For me it’s a false sense of security being closed in.
We call it a cave hug when we are in in small areas which give us a sense of comfort.
But I'm like you where it's the large areas that are scary... They are large and ominous and make me feel swallowed by the darkness.
as always. super cool. and a big thumbs up to your father. 👍
Thanks, Rudy. I am always game to go caving with Calvin. Had he been lost a little longer, I’d have eaten his sandwich.
That formation room is simply stunning!! It’d be interesting to make a drawing/painting of all this!! Don’t think I’d do it justice however
And kudos to bad dad he can fairly move! I’m afraid even though I’m 20 years younger that I’d have a hard time doing that
My favorite channel!! I love you all!! ❤️❤️❤️ Your dad is a gangster!!!
Yes dad is the original gangster.
Did you learn as a kid from bad dad???!
Dad here. As a family, we were too poor to go to adventure parks etc, but loved the remote outdoors. One thing led to another. Calvin took caving seriously after his graduation from college and some connections he made. We all love finding unmapped places. Most are underground. Btw, you are a great follower. TY
I actually don't mind getting lost every now & then. Its a healthy reminder to expect the unexpected. I did it for the first time in many years a few weeks ago. Not caving but lost on cliff faces in chest high grass hiding sheer cliffs in every direction. I followed your golden rule and let patience be my guide.
Yeah it's the same we don't mind getting lost. Not lost in the sense that we can never get out just lost in the sense that we don't know where we are exactly. Anybody who does any hiking or stuff like that gets themselves turned around and knows that ultimately you'll still get home.
I lived in Seattle for almost 3 years. I took up sailing & rock climbing. I wish I knew about caving, I might have tried it. I love your videos. I'm not sure if I like them because of the adventurer in me, the explorer in me or for some other reason but I like them.
Thank you! We love the sense of discovery. So many great sports are amazing but have been thoroughly fleshed out. This remains the dark frontier.
Just when you thought this was a cozy stroll in a standup cave...BANG! That last area was a nice tight squeeze! Especially fun for you Calvin, being a bit lost also I'd imagine lol. Great job gentlemen 👍
Yes it's a fun little cave. I think there's one more area that needs pushing but we will have to wait till Spring as there is 10 feet of snow there now.
@@EvenDarker that'll be cool though once you can get back in there
Love how you use ya Dad as a step ladder !
What a great adventure
The human ladder spans generations! Just a couple days ago he was stepping on my head to get up a wall.
3:12 the way the lens is making you look like an animated cartoon character with a giant head LOL.
Maybe I am
happy new year!-Love watching you explore the earths anatomy. it's amazing you're willing to go through these tedious cave systems nobody has ever seen before, and also recording it, editing and sharing it. thanks for posting over the holidays! very nice video today too.
Thank you very much. The caving is fun. The taking video and editing is hard and tedious! But the reward is that we get to share it.
Awesome guys!!!!
Happy new year to the both of you! You have inspired me to want to try out things out of my comfort zone.
Dad here. Caving is more in my comfort zone than driving through Portland.
I'm in the PNW also. Awesome video.
nice video ! thx for sharing your adventures ! cheers from NYC
New york! Ive visited. A very everything city!
@@EvenDarker except caves !
New watcher . Great guys keep it up
Awesome wish I would have gotten the chance to check out more of the caves on Mt. Saint Helens!
Theres a few thousand.
I will move there ASAP!
As always Good informative content!
Caveman’s dad here. There are caves to explore most everywhere. This video is in a very remote area!
@@billsanders9387 its a really beautiful landscape. I am from germany / hesse and here the Forests are really small and caves are rare to find.
The forested regions of the Pacific Northwest are massive and mostly open to the public. So much yet to be discovered. We have yet to encounter other people in these remote caves.
I also get lost. Since 1964. Apparently not enough to stop me.
Lost isn’t the time to stop...it’s the time to make new discoveries. Caveman’s dad
I find myself gasping for air when he's in those tight spaces. Guys got courage.
I hiked to the top of that volcano. It was rough but had a great view.
Awesome! it's spectacular. That's our cave maker. I took Jacob there when he was 10!
Happy New Year to you. 🎏🎉🎊from Charlotte NC.
Thanks for the awesome adventures. Stay safe. ❤🌿🌻🌟💛
We think caving is, by comparison, safer than life on the streets. I’m the dad in this video. Love caving!!
Awesome video dude love the content keep it up stay safe
We take as many precautions as necessary, but caving has risk. Not as bad as driving on the freeway, however. Bad dad.
From that one story at the beginning, we know that old chap had very good parents
Honestly the cities are so dangerous these days, I used to live in Colorado and hiking in the Rockies was so much fun and a lot safer than walking around Denver. Nature is amazing
Yes the last few years, objectively leaving the city has been the safer hobby. Violence and illness included. Want to be healthy and happy? Go for a walk in the woods! This used to be understood by society. Though, it is not lost on all of us.
Didn’t notice that other Rock stack last time. .
“I’m going to climb this , hold my light and camera, all while walking on grandpas back” 💀💀💀💀💀 I thought he was joking
I thought everyone knew that's what grandpas are for?
40:36 Must be that you "Should have taken a left at Albuquerque" lol
We miss that turn frequently. It is fun, however, just to say Albuquerque.
🤣,, Bill Samuel's mutual funds! Haha,,what would be a perfect AD,,
I wish y’all could come to Victoria Australia, I free climb caves and old gold mines, tho I still need to get my ropes license to get deeper on exploration
That sounds super fun. Perhaps in due time you will learn the ropes and make your way into deeper exploration. It certainly opens up a new world of caving.
I've been to Australia a couple times but it's been many years. Would love to visit but travel right now is a bit strange, as you may know.
@@EvenDarker that is very true, and Australia has over half a million Covid cases country wide atm so I hope no one comes to Australia till this pandemic is over. Tho hopefully in that time we could possibly meet in the future of caving. I’d love to travel to the USA and UK and other parts of the world as it brings more adventures.
I saw caves in the Blue Mountains outside Sydney
and tried coastal sea caves. I cannot recommend
walking with sharks. Once was quite enough for me.
Rope license? Never had that, since 1964. Did
SRT or DdRT as needed in ice or rock caves I get
my technical gear at Wes Spur Tree Equipment.
I love dad’s find my body jacket!😂 leave his coat alone!
Getting turned around is a pretty scary experience!
Happy new year!
When you find s tube entry look around the
surface for a USGS brass fixture. Meaning,
the entry was not ignored and an existing
place name or science data may be on file.
This cave is capped. But the map was very old. Now it has a shiny new map. This excursion was part of our pushing the cave for the new map.
We've located and mapped a few hundred new caves in the area... so a little bit behind the capping. It's probably an era that is ending unless a cave is rather huge or public. It's just so simple to keep track of things online with GPS coordinates.
That's why you allways leave torches behind marking yout path🤓👍🏻
Most enjoyable video again
Thank you!
Fun ending Brothers... 👍🏻☮️🇨🇦♥️🇺🇲
36:00 looks like when you put molten aluminium down an ant nest
It's not dissimilar to what is actually happening when lava pours and melts into the earth.
Thanks for taking me along... again... lol
1:02 Yes, literally born caving lol except for those of us who's parents had a C-section haha
birds fly, fish swim, caveman explores caves 👍🏻
We do swim a lot to stay in shape. The caving world is often a long hike just to reach the entrance, and then the fun begins.
That ant has seen some shit
It's beautiful!
And to think, never enjoyed by curious crazy people until now. So many caves...so little time. Dad
Have you ever been in a cave and trigger a avalanche? And are the volcanoes still active? And again I enjoy your videos
One of the volcanoes where we cave is very active. That doesn't mean it's dangerous but it does erupt and billow smoke and lava to some small degree all the time. I was alive during the last major eruption and it filled some of these caves with sand and debris.
We've never triggered anything by being in a cave. That I know of.
Would love to know if fossils are prevalent in caves that get washed out regularly
Not prevalent but sometimes. It depends on the location and geographical landscape.
There are some erosional caves under the lava fields. And I mean under them. A friend of mine recently found a carving tool of some sort that probably predates the lava field. It's perhaps 10,000 years old. Which is I think the coolest thing anyone's ever found down there.
How to be passive aggressive with your dad. Lol
Yes. We're all a little grumpy. We're tryin.
Ive never been caving other than Howe caverns in upstate ny. (Cheating at best but very beautiful)love your videos brother
I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting an "Alien" feeling in of the walls!
For sure. Some of the really blast caves are super similar to Geiger Art.
I have a map of a cave that I used aliens as the background. Since I like those movies, it makes these caves seem more cool to me all the time. Never gets old.
Oh*!! Here's a question also.
All things considered,, "CRAZY TWILIGHT ZONE TIMES " what's right is wrong, and what's wrong is right human thought processing these days" have you considered building an underground escape route to safety for living incase of a phenomenal melt down of society/bizarrely driven crap!..
Be safe as always, ✌️
Wouldn't have to build one, these caves are ready to go.
1 I believe this is the end of Western Civilization as we know it. At least, by philosophy.
2 I believe society will continue in relative safety and comfort, due to (in developed countries) our vast wealth.
Did.he work for NASA when he was 8 yrs old? I cant imagine an 8yr old speaking like that .
This reminds me of Minecraft caves
Minecraft doesn't have any caves.
Firstly, happy New years guys and thanks for all the uploads I truly love to see your experiences and adventures. I have one stupid question though. Is there GPS or any type of communication underground like this? GPS? Just curious. Keep the videos coming and stay safe!
It's not a stupid question. All the good technical questions are on this 2nd channel!
Nothing works underground. GPS above ground but the moment you are under nothing works. No radio no GPS. Navigation in the cave is either done by memory or by map. Maps are made using lasers which are extremely accurate.
Communication in caves is usually just not done. But you can crack a rock on the wall and hear that quite a ways through a cave. I mean thousands of feet.
@@EvenDarker thanks for the response. I believe I'm a subscriber on the other channel as well. I'll check it out ,I figured you had probably answered that somewhere. Thanks again and keep the videos coming
Nice Video :)
Thanks!
Cavers think lava tubes are boring well compared to limestone I guess they are but no, intact lava tubes are amazing!
It depends. We have a lot of limestone caves around here but they are all smaller than the lava tubes.
Cavers are a weird group of people. Often petty. They like the kind of caves that are near them and they will for no reason at all be disrespectful of other kinds of caves. Its the strangest thing.
The map of that cave, was it done by Charlie Larson? He mapped many of the caves in Oregon and Washington back in the day. I would love it if you pm'ed the name of that cave, thanks!
This is Gremlin Cave. Jim Nieland was the original mapper. The newest map is by Garry Petrie. Many, if not most of the old maps were done by Nieland or Larson, of course.
@@EvenDarker Thank you. I don't believe I know Jim Nieland but I know the name. Back in the 80's Charlie, and myself help start The Oregon High Desert Grotto. Back when we could explore all those awesome caves. Gremlin cave reminds me of Charlie the Cave which is now gated. I just found your channels and love your adventures.
Where does the void come from. I thought the lava would just stop flowing and get hard and keep this whole thing like solid lava cap. How do these tunnels form? Is there the middle just I just don’t understand how that would work.
Yeah, you'd probably have to read about how lava flow turns into caves. It's pretty weird. Lava caves can be fairly intricate at times. Some things we simply don't have explanation for.
Videos are amazing, I’m hooked! Was wondering what’s the longest crawl you’ve had to do & how long did it take?
It's tough to say. There's one crawl that takes about 9 hours to get through to a very big spacious beautiful cave. It's miserable and maybe in history only a dozen people have done it.
But Jacob went with me and he said it was easy!
@@EvenDarker Thank you for the response! I really enjoy your content, I think you'd be great on Joe Rogan's podcast.
that cave looks awesome... I'm just wondering, you say its a volcano... are there any caves that are deep enough to be warm or hot from the magma beneath?
No. Because the magma rolls along the surface of the Earth and burns down into the Earth. Making most of these surface tubes.
There are a couple of the lava caves which are flat and wide and on Sunny days have a very interesting way of thermal heating. Otherwise these caves are mostly freezing.
Nearer to the Volcano there are some Hot Springs essentially. There there heat is from the Volcano itself. But they're pretty close. Like in the caldron!
This one was a nail biter for sure.
What state is this? Those are some amazing looking woods. I'm near the Canada/Minnesota border It looks somewhat similar
We're over here in the Pacific northwest. Also somewhat near canada.
Hey, I’m a huge fan. Would you ever have like even 15m just to go on a zoom call with me or some form of communication. You really inspire me and I have so many questions. My dad is a biologist for so many years and some of the rock and mineral formations fascinate him. He also has many questions for you and I hope you stay motivated becuase your regular uploads on both channels have been a weekly family RUclips routine for our family. Thanks so mich
You can ask any question you want. Especially here on the 2nd page. I think my email is listed in a couple places as well as my Instagram account.
We try to answer questions either here or in subsequent videos. Once the channel grows enough we will likely go live at times where people can ask live questions
* There were also a couple question and answer videos on this channel as well as a couple interviews that we did. they answer most people's questions. And other questions may be answered in our videos.
@@EvenDarker thankyou for the fast response, I am unable to find your email. Are you able to send it? You can deleate it after if you don’t want it in the comments. Edit… also, it would have to be some form of live call. I couldent just email you the questions I have like 100 I’m so fascinated
I enjoy your Channel, but one question keeps coming to mind. What kind of backup plan do you have if you get trapped, lost or injured? Safety First, Thanks very much for your efforts. Take care.
We are part of a group of cavers. You'll see more of the other guys and gals as the channel moves forward.
We have a basic system of countability. We all know where each other is and can rescue each other without any trouble.
And that's like plan F. There is a plan BCD and E. Plenty of safety protocol which we generally don't go over because it's just kind of boring. And we like people that get mad at us for being "unsafe."
@@EvenDarker Let's keep it a secret than. I just want to go on see you and people do get killed doing things like this. My uncle, warned us about cave-ins in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, some were so sketchy that even loud noises could be a problem. There was also old Dynamite---nothing ever happened, but I was scared a time or two nonetheless. Catch you later.
@@EvenDarker Communication with others is key, for sure. I'm glad you share locations etc so they can rescue if needed
Have you ever encountered bigfoot in any of these caves or a mountain lion or a bear?
We're I was looking for bigfoot.
We see plenty of black bears but they don't have any interest in humans. Plenty of short interesting encounters with various critters.
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have you guys ever found any petroglyph or caveman paintings?
Yes. Finally a question I can say yes to!
Not much in these wet lava tubes but there are lots of caves in the area that have Native American paintings and artwork as well as evidence of some use of cave entrances.
We will have some videos of those in the future.
Some are pretty Dang mysterious. Native Americans clearly used one cave to live in but no one knows why as it is away from all natural resources. It's on top of a rocky is rocky bluff. Is super dangerous and no food or water around.
Hopefully we will get there this Spring!
@@EvenDarker awesome! I would love to see that. I saw some once in Arizona near the topock gorge on the Colorado River. great channel by the way, and thanks for responding!
What would happen if an earthquake were to happen? Would you guys be stranded?
No nothing would happen.
We talk a little bit about earthquakes in this video.
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As well as in any of the interviews videos which are on this page. It's often people's first question and it has a boring answer. Earthquakes do nothing to these caves, in general.
@@EvenDarker awesome thank you for the reply, I just found your two channels last night. Absolutely cool what’s under our feet
No thanks, Theres a ton of cool outdoor things to do that are much less likely to kill you if something goes wrong. but trying to shimmy through orfices that you may go into perfectly fine in one direction, but not be able to shimmy through in the opposite direction is not my idea of fun. to each his own but not for me.
That was intense. How did you make it out? Do you have extra lights?
I generally carry enough light to last about 2 weeks.
@@EvenDarker With all the maps you created, I bet you could produce an amazing video game adventure.
What r u guys doing?
wait what account is this? I thought your channel was caveman hikes
Second page you.
Main page is for our our edited adventures. 2nd page is for everything else.
Volcanoes are waking up guys , I'm sorry but it's in the area of yellow stone , I'm in fla so I not worried, but your under ground for fun , so I u know what for you guys , : ( 👍🤓
The Volcano that created this cave is active and spewing smoke all the time. It had a major eruption in the 80s and small eruptions as recent as 10 or 15 years ago.
We are always hoping for more lava!
We're you ever able to get into nutty putty before they closed it due to that terrible John Jones accident? R.I.P Also just like your opinion on keeping the cave closed for good? Some agree others dont.
There's no need to close a cave. The problem was it was a public cave and drew a lot of amateurs. Which is OK but eventually people get showing and end up getting in trouble.
They could have gated off the difficult sections. from my understanding it's not a large cave, nor is it difficult it's just a bit costrophobic.
The John Jones death will always be an anomaly. Something like if someone fell off the top of the building and then they closed all buildings so that people wouldn't fall off the top of them any more. It's just a bizarre circumstance that people have reacted to strangely.
@@EvenDarker You keep saying this, but the John Jones accident was not an "anomaly". With the public traffic that cave got there were a lot of young people in their teens and twenties getting stuck ....which most folks find unacceptable. And with the number of accidents and rescues happening, a death was probably inevitable.
I did a little poking around on the internet and it looks like just between 1999 and 2004 there were at least 6 prior rescues of young people who got seriously stuck attempting to squeeze through some very narrow passages, with one of the last ones happening in nearly the same location as the John Jones tragedy. Although successful, it was a horrendously difficult rescue. Then the was cave completely closed for some years, only finally being reopened after being gated with restricted access, yet the Jones tragedy still occurred.
Clearly the cave had some very dangerous areas that should have been restricted to all but serious, high level cavers. This was not done, a gruesome and highly publicized accident happened, so predictably the public outcry resulted in the permanent closure of the cave. That's the way things work.
In certain angles u look like John Malkovich
Hopefully the young handsome version. He's like a 100 years old now!
@@EvenDarker lol it wasnt meant as an insult my friend 😊
It’s impossible to insult a caver. We’re usually not that social. 🤗🤗.
@@billsanders9387 no offense intended :)
Calvin, is there a particular reason you always wear red tops?
It shows up on video better.
@@EvenDarker
Of course, makes sense.
How old is dad if you don't mind me asking??!! I love him!! ❤️❤️🐰
Somewhere in his 70s.
73 last June. Age is just a number until the morning after a long caving day.
@@billsanders9387 ❤️❤️❤️
@@billsanders9387 You look great! Keep caving it will keep you young!
Is that a small passage above you at 29.33?
I don't remember. There's lots of little passages in these caves. This cave has since been thoroughly mapped so we now know all its passages. And the map we created has twice as much passage as the original map which was wrong and the reason for my... Losing the path
Just curious how do you guys find local caves or semi local. I always try to find resources online for my area but always come up empty handed.
Yeah the caving world is a very private world. You can find success on the Internet but you have to be... skillful and persistent. I once sat on my phone for 8 hours straight and ended up finding a map to a cave in our local area on a Korean geological website.
But you'll find little success outside of joining a state recognized caving group. In the US we call them grottos and there are multiple grotto's per state. They are the keepers of the caves. Some of them are friendly and open to outsiders, while others are not. It is not a difficult world to break into but it does have its borders. If you're serious about doing some caving, that's the road the path you'll have to take.
It's like fight club. You can join, but you can't talk about it.
Good luck.
Hey 👋 fellas! I am* to simply put this, a carpenter/painter/Mason/landscaper/iron welder/ basic electrical skills /framing etc....
Jack of all trades ',, but still better than a master one*"...
Point 👉: can you guys tell if you can build rooms /hallways/ I know pipe cam be ran etc.. but, just wondering even though by just rule of respectively knowingly NOT* to tamper or build on sacredness magically made beautifully all natural carved caves ... just a hypothetical an curiosity only, could you frame anything down there?.
Unlike the Ozarks with limestone i believe, not my expertise im.sure you an you brother would know that
.thanks guys!
FYI/btw I get extremely stoked to.watch.ya guys in tunnels man! GREAT MORALLY DRIVEN COMPASS 🧭 👍 👌
The rule is to leave no trace. Never tamper, construct, remove or destruct. But these rules are "broken" by organized decisions. Some caves are developed to make them safer. Some are altered to create entrances... or to remove entrances. But the rule (and law) is not to tamper.
@@EvenDarker right! Agreed 👍.
Mainly asking, if the materials of lava rock 🪨 could possibly be used if needed as an absolute structurally made place for safety etc.
Curiosity is the main focus for me, and totally agree with not only the rule in caving, but as a general rule for all of nature.. just curious on how strong the lava rock is an could be by your professional experienced opinion. I don't like Googling everything, if I have an opportunity to talk to aore authentic experienced hands on source, I prefer that much better.. feels more realistic to me if I can say that, ha!.
Thanks for replying btw..
As long as it makes you happy & you seriously careful, ⛰
Being seriously careful makes me sad.
Now what do I do!?
💖☕️🍯🍶