People think saving a life is not letting them commit suicide. But no, you're making it worse than ever. Forbidding someone to express themselves and do the last thing they need to do is kind of rude and doesn't help. Saving a life is bring them to the hospital, listen to them, hug them. Make them feel better. If you just stop them and nothing changes they will definitely try it again. Don't do it to feel good and then stop when you've done something. They still need you more than ever.
But, its not abut just saving a life, its about generating change in how you think. Hug also will not last forever, and one can not stay with the client forever.
Eeyore Piglet you say this...if there was someone who's suicidal in front of you...you wouldn't do that...you wouldn't comfort them you'd forbid or force them not to
Deirdre McManus No, he's right. People stop caring immediately after the mask is put right back on. Mental institutions are there to make sure the person isn't in crisis anymore. And that's damn near laughable, at how easy it is to fake. It doesn't happen to everyone, but the response could just fester hatred towards their saviors.
@@deirdremcmanus7067 no, that's not true. I've been on the other side. Maybe you can't stay forever. But you can stay long enough to hand them off to another who can stay long enough to hand them off to another... An unending chain of caring like a human safety net. Ever wonder what we mean when we say, "It takes a village..."? What is "it"? We used to say to raise a child, but it's increasingly answerable as, "everything." Especially preventing suffering. For any reason.
If only. If only there was someone who cared enough to ask some of those questions then maybe what I'm considering could have been prevented. But I'm afraid no one even notices. Someone from my inner circle? What inner circle? There isn't even an outer circle. There's just me. Alone. Like a person drowning in a well stretches out their hand hoping, praying, for someone to grab it. But the beautiful people just walk on by, not even noticing. So eventually the drowning person just lays back and accepts the water into his lungs as his fate. If only.
Hi Perry. This comment was posted a year ago, how are you doing today? I know the feeling, and I'm more than happy to talk to you if you ever need someone!
People that do not understand suicide, have never suffered. For the people left behind; you should be happy and at peace knowing your loved one is no longer suffering., Please do not be selfish and want your loved one to continue suffering. Catagorically, Suicide prevention is a temporary solution to a permanent problem
Hey Rob, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Suicide prevention is not to allow them to continue suffering. It's about getting them the help they need to not /want/ to hurt themselves anymore. Because these issues can be solved through counselling, medication and self-care. I speak from experience, as I have attempted suicide and am now doing so much better thanks to all the support I've received. I don't think it's proactive to tell someone that suicide is justifiable as it is a means to end suffering. There are other means to end suffering, and I think it's important to help people realize this.
This is great but what about the people who have no one? I know most if not all of my family wouldn't care. Some might even want me to commit suicide. Support doesn't always work. I remember my dad being mad and he told me and my brother we were mistakes and shouldn't have been born around Christmas now he tries to help when I'm beaten down? Its not simple and it's a complex issue...
They don't really want you gone. Depression makes us THINK that. We think that somehow they'd all be better off if we(the problem) weren't in the way. Its not true though. Don't make a permanent decision to solve a temporary problem. Especially in that state of mind. You're not even supposed to sign any papers when you're not of sound mind.
keep it up. people are selfish and the ones who find themselves wanting in someway become depressed and depression can become suicide. conditions that cause social isolation are particularly bad.
Suicide is a departure from life. There is usually a motivator to want to end their life like shame in not living up to their potential. I would never stop a person from completing that act of suicide because I am not living their process. They may have perceived deficiencies and deficits that make them ashamed.
To stop suicide you need to accept that they need to please God an not man be subject to the father of spirits an live. God stoped me 3 times from suicide in a hour to tell me not to please my family but do what pleased him he is love peace joy in virtue an not a image of hate my family made out because they believe man's verses of deception about his image . In context God is love peace joy in virtues so he accepts everyone ( all things are lawful for me not all expedient) . No one is accepted by any man an we all know that so don't say acceptance isn't the answer because Jesus commandments are nothing but acceptance.
I never once in this man's speech heard him say anything about knowing Jesus and if there was a time in his son's life when he knew Jesus as his Savior. Thta may have been his only problem. he may have had a misserable feeling that only God coudl fill through Jesus who watned to be his Saviour and could've and would've been if this young man would've only asked adn trusted Jesus to be his Savior. I used both spellings for Savior (Saviour) because I thought the our spelling might be the one used in Canada since the King James Bible spells it that way and I think I've seen the word neighbour spelled this way in an outright great Britain English way even outside the Bible so I thought this might be the same way.
The worst thing you can do to a desperate person is trying to push your own agenda on them. Just because your belief helped you doesn't mean it helps everybody. NEVER help autobiographically. Try shoving belief down my throat and you merely make me wanna breath Helium. Because doing missionary work in times of chrisis is the best way of saying: "I don't hear you and I don't care, I just want you to believe what I believe because my beliefs are oh so cool."
People think saving a life is not letting them commit suicide. But no, you're making it worse than ever. Forbidding someone to express themselves and do the last thing they need to do is kind of rude and doesn't help. Saving a life is bring them to the hospital, listen to them, hug them. Make them feel better. If you just stop them and nothing changes they will definitely try it again. Don't do it to feel good and then stop when you've done something. They still need you more than ever.
But, its not abut just saving a life, its about generating change in how you think. Hug also will not last forever, and one can not stay with the client forever.
Eeyore Piglet you say this...if there was someone who's suicidal in front of you...you wouldn't do that...you wouldn't comfort them you'd forbid or force them not to
Deirdre McManus No, he's right. People stop caring immediately after the mask is put right back on. Mental institutions are there to make sure the person isn't in crisis anymore. And that's damn near laughable, at how easy it is to fake. It doesn't happen to everyone, but the response could just fester hatred towards their saviors.
@@deirdremcmanus7067 no, that's not true. I've been on the other side. Maybe you can't stay forever. But you can stay long enough to hand them off to another who can stay long enough to hand them off to another... An unending chain of caring like a human safety net. Ever wonder what we mean when we say, "It takes a village..."? What is "it"? We used to say to raise a child, but it's increasingly answerable as, "everything." Especially preventing suffering. For any reason.
Such an important talk.. I'm greatly saddened to hear of your loss, Eric Windeler. What a beautiful person your son must have been.
God bless you and your family Mr. Windeler, thank you.
If only.
If only there was someone who cared enough to ask some of those questions then maybe what I'm considering could have been prevented. But I'm afraid no one even notices. Someone from my inner circle? What inner circle? There isn't even an outer circle. There's just me. Alone. Like a person drowning in a well stretches out their hand hoping, praying, for someone to grab it. But the beautiful people just walk on by, not even noticing. So eventually the drowning person just lays back and accepts the water into his lungs as his fate.
If only.
Perry Connell I'm sorry...
Hi Perry. This comment was posted a year ago, how are you doing today? I know the feeling, and I'm more than happy to talk to you if you ever need someone!
Hi are you ok now?
You still there?
Such a moving story on a topic that we should pay attention to. I would love to some how contribute to your cause Eric.
So powerful.
A great discussion at a great time to talk about it.
Thank you all for your kind words
People that do not understand suicide, have never suffered. For the people left behind; you should be happy and at peace knowing your loved one is no longer suffering., Please do not be selfish and want your loved one to continue suffering.
Catagorically, Suicide prevention is a temporary solution to a permanent problem
Hey Rob, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Suicide prevention is not to allow them to continue suffering. It's about getting them the help they need to not /want/ to hurt themselves anymore. Because these issues can be solved through counselling, medication and self-care. I speak from experience, as I have attempted suicide and am now doing so much better thanks to all the support I've received. I don't think it's proactive to tell someone that suicide is justifiable as it is a means to end suffering. There are other means to end suffering, and I think it's important to help people realize this.
This is great but what about the people who have no one? I know most if not all of my family wouldn't care. Some might even want me to commit suicide. Support doesn't always work. I remember my dad being mad and he told me and my brother we were mistakes and shouldn't have been born around Christmas now he tries to help when I'm beaten down? Its not simple and it's a complex issue...
You still there?
They don't really want you gone. Depression makes us THINK that. We think that somehow they'd all be better off if we(the problem) weren't in the way. Its not true though. Don't make a permanent decision to solve a temporary problem. Especially in that state of mind. You're not even supposed to sign any papers when you're not of sound mind.
keep it up. people are selfish and the ones who find themselves wanting in someway become depressed and depression can become suicide. conditions that cause social isolation are particularly bad.
I mean people are selfish. not suicidal people are selfish. all too often suicidal people cannot keep pace with the pack and the pack don't care
his son should have watched this. and see he's still wearing black.
I called the suicide hotline and they hung up on me
That's fucking terrible I'm sorry
I'm sorry to hear this and I believe they didn't do that on purpose
Diane Dunn nine call me next time
Diane Dunn 6107392708
Diane Dunn you are kind and generous.
Nobody I know cares. Why should they. It's just me dying a bit more everyday.
my sister told me to get lost she was to old
Are you still alive?
Suicide is a departure from life. There is usually a motivator to want to end their life like shame in not living up to their potential. I would never stop a person from completing that act of suicide because I am not living their process. They may have perceived deficiencies and deficits that make them ashamed.
To stop suicide you need to accept that they need to please God an not man be subject to the father of spirits an live. God stoped me 3 times from suicide in a hour to tell me not to please my family but do what pleased him he is love peace joy in virtue an not a image of hate my family made out because they believe man's verses of deception about his image . In context God is love peace joy in virtues so he accepts everyone ( all things are lawful for me not all expedient) . No one is accepted by any man an we all know that so don't say acceptance isn't the answer because Jesus commandments are nothing but acceptance.
God does not always answer.there is not always a happy ending.Sorry Glad he works for you
I never once in this man's speech heard him say anything about knowing Jesus and if there was a time in his son's life when he knew Jesus as his Savior. Thta may have been his only problem. he may have had a misserable feeling that only God coudl fill through Jesus who watned to be his Saviour and could've and would've been if this young man would've only asked adn trusted Jesus to be his Savior. I used both spellings for Savior (Saviour) because I thought the our spelling might be the one used in Canada since the King James Bible spells it that way and I think I've seen the word neighbour spelled this way in an outright great Britain English way even outside the Bible so I thought this might be the same way.
The worst thing you can do to a desperate person is trying to push your own agenda on them. Just because your belief helped you doesn't mean it helps everybody. NEVER help autobiographically.
Try shoving belief down my throat and you merely make me wanna breath Helium. Because doing missionary work in times of chrisis is the best way of saying: "I don't hear you and I don't care, I just want you to believe what I believe because my beliefs are oh so cool."