Joining The Military As E-3 Or E-4.. Are You Treated Different at BCT | AYDMS
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- Does joining the military at a higher rank make Drill Sergeants treat you differently? Or can Uber and Lyft Drivers drive you around military bases?? That's just a few of the questions I go over today!
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With the new 22 weeks cycle of training for 11b coming you'd think they will let us use our phones in OSUT?
Hey Matt, I take the ICLT today for 17c MOs, was wondering if you knew anything about what’s on it? Or anyone who have take it?
Thanks for the Video ship out to fort Benning nov 5th as a E-3 and my MOS is 19k
I watch a lot of your vids. I have a question for you. I want to choose 11b as my MOS. Anything else I’d rather not do. Not worth it for me. My recruiter said that position is not available at the moment. Should I just be placed on a waiting list? Because it’s either 11b or nothing to be honest I won’t be happy doing anything else. Thanks Matt your vids are great brother
Just got out of basic. QUICK ANSWER: No, you just get paid more
Lil Crumpet thank god 😂
How much ? I mean net income. After all deductions
@Amuro Ray E 4 ?
@Amuro Ray yeah I've looked pay chart , but I can't find the info how much it would be after all deductions. Please tell me if you know
That’s about what I expected to hear. I mean even as an E-3 or E-4 you are still new to the military, the only real difference is how much you get paid.
Short answer no. Everyone is a private
smeutr1 deadass
smeutr1 period! No one was special we were all treated the same it didn’t matter how old you were or your rank
Everybody catches that half right
Unless prior service
J.Anderson The2nd I had a prior service sergeant that came from the navy. He got treated the same as all the other privates. Slept in the barracks with us and everything
Short answer: no
Long answer: get down and push trainee
During basic, a specialist got demoted to PFC because his lack of motivation and respect.
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This exactly what I needed to hear. I joined the Army NG as an E-4, and I’m shipping Nov. 19th. I had been wondering about this exact thing.
Well, glad I helped answer that for you!
I just graduated as an E-4 and trust me...everyone, and I mean EVERYONE is treated as a private. The first 3 phases, you don’t even wear rank so the Drill Sergeants don’t even know your rank. It’s only after the Forge (final BCT event) that you get to wear rank. Hope that helps. If you have any questions about basic, feel free to reach out!
@@ericbrown3239 Probably depends on where you go, though. I was at Fort Jackson and everyone who was E-2 through E-4 were allowed to wear their ranks. I was an E-3 myself.
mac burger I went to Ft Jackson. I feel like it’s a company to company basis possibly. I know that I was in 1-61 and No one in my battalion wore rank. But I’m sure that if the commander says it’s okay, then yeah. Company to company basis probably lol
Eric Brown I’ll keep that in mind. I do want to stay to myself but I want to be a leader too so I guess I’ll have to make that happen without my rank being in it lol.
No. But being 29 going on 30 and being older than most of my drills, they showed me a lot of respect in the later phases of OSUT. Especially when I became PG. However, they did not have to, the chose to. I had amazing leadership.
I got called "Pops" because I was 25. Everyone else was19-21.
@@mr.k.i.s.s7496 jesus christ I'm about to re-enlist at 36. Fml.
Mr. K.I.S.S LMFAO 😂😂😂😂 they’re petty I’m 24
I'm going in Feb and I'm 24. Everyone at meps when I went was around 17-19, so I'm expecting kind of the same thing, haha
@@resdraon just be yourself. It’s going to be difficult as you’re older but you’ll get through. Good luck brother.
I'm going in as an E4 and I definitely don't want special treatment. Dang though, being put in leadership first? nerve wracking. Wish me luck! 17 days left until my ship date!
Best of luck
How was it
HOW WAS IT
I joined as an e4, i was treated differently than the other privates when i got to my unit. While i wasnt expected to know as muchas the other spc , i got out of the hand holding because i was expected to be more mature.
After almost a year, since being discharged I have finally got a medical waiver to clear me for re enlisting.
Congrats!
Yeah I got discharged for medical too for AF I completed meps again for the army two weeks ago and I’m waiting for my waiver now 🙌🏼
@@PotatoExibit You need a waiver from meps? I just picked up my waiver from my neurologist and just filled out most of my packet go to my recruiter my next day off to give him both and get the process rolling cant wait
@@lifeinabuick6915 I was discharged for hearing from af which was a perm disqual I went to an audiologist got it checked then the paperwork went to meps doc to approve for going to meps then I went to meps to do all the fun stuff again now I am waiting on my re-enlistment waiver because my re code from AF was perm
@@PotatoExibit damn that sucks. I knew a guy who tried to join AF but they wouldn't take him because he had had an eye operation so he joined Army because Army would take him.
Still though, knowing the extra bullshit we do in the army that the Air Force doesn't do like sweating out in the motorpool instead of actually doing our MOS's, or if we're not married, having to stay in the barracks until we make the rank of E-6 whereas Air Force lets you leave at E-4, or getting a rotten ass from spending weeks out in the field without being able to clean our asses, or bullshit infantry gear, or having to do "PRT" bullshit like the "prone row" which is completely useless whereas Air Force lets you do your own PT, etc. it would suck having to settle for all of that knowing beforehand because of some bullshit technicality.
Im E-2 right now. In a couple days I’ll take a PT test and the Stars and Stripes test to help get me to E-3 before BCT.
Going to Fort Sill, Oct. 9th as 13F. Three days before my Birthday.
How did you get E-3? Future soldier of the month? I leaving as an E-2 because I had a referral
How's 13F?
Enlisted in the Army NG, heading to basic as an E1 in January 14, 2020. Been binge watching most of your videos to help me get prepared mentally.
Awesome bro. I enlisted in army ng back in 2012,
Did 4 years as an Infantry Machine gunner in the USMC and got out almost 10 years ago... Now going Army as a combat medic with E-4. Got to go to basic because it's been more then 5 years since EAS. Head out in 20 days. Lol
I ship Oct 7th to Fort Sill as 68K E-4. Thank you so much! Your videos have been very helpful and I continue to rewatch in preparation for BCT.
My friend that went to fort sill told me that the only thing that helped him get through bct are the beautiful views around the base, and the sunsets and sunrises. Hopefully it doesnt get to cold there by the time you arrive.
@@Kyotica good to know. I'm in Colorado and the views here are amazing. I'm looking forward to the cold. I'd rather freeze than have a sweaty ass crack lol
I ship that date too 35F though
How was your experience at Fort Sill during the winter?
I joined the Navy as a E-3 due to Jr ROTC and Eagle Scout...One other recruit did the same thing...we assigned RCPO and ARCPO first night in San Diego..Or company was awesome..."special company...drum / bugle corps, Drill team , 50 -State flag team, Bluejacket Choir...All of us KNEW that we were all motivated !!! Our company was our CC's LAST company before he retired...We made his last company his BEST !!! Bless his soul...calm seas and blue skies !! After my two weeks leave , I returned to San Diego for my RM "A"School...the Navy needed RMs so bad , they made a deal...if you finished the A school within and before the alloted time , you got meritorious promotion to E-4 !! Bingo !! Finished the school in 5 weeks...Had my E-4 "tacked" on my sleeve...Was sent to the USS America CV-66 over in Norfolk...my hometown...Quarterdeck did not how to handle an "instant" E-4..back then , all E-2 and 3s were assigned galley or ship maintenance for 30 days..i was sent straight to the radio shack...Had a ball..1 1/2 years later I earned E 5....I was able to use my German language knowledge in the performance of my duties...
I leave Tuesday for fort Jackson 91H your videos have helped me learn a lot about things that I was worried about. I'm ready for this next chapter in my life mainly because of your videos and guidance 💯🔥.
Joining the army as a corporal or sergeant from another branch gets you more phone time and less half right faces one of the guys I met in my basic training company got corporal rank in basic training from being a sergeant in the marine core and was treated way more differently than all of us pvts
"Here you are all equally worthless" - R. Lee
I just graduated basic training at Fort Jackson last week. As an E-4 I did not get treated any differently than the other trainees. We're not allowed to wear rank so everyone was treated exactly the same. The only ones who were treated better and with more responsibilities were the NCO's that we're in basic with us. I had a Sergeant First Class in my platoon he hated being with us😂
did they drug test you there
@@hbkyoga435 they drug test you at MEPs then I don’t know if they always do at basic or not. I was in winter cycle and we went home for Christmas. We got drug tested the week we came back but that was because we went home for 2 weeks.
If you are entitled to BAH, make sure you have the paperwork correct when you go to DEERS. Otherwise, you’ll have to bug your DSs to take you back so you can unf@ck their screwup when you’re not getting the money.
Specifically for Fort Bliss, TX uber drivers have the paperwork that allows them access onto post. Yes, prior service are treated differently than trainees, but it also depends on the Command and if the CO has the 1SG or Operations Sergeant look into the regulations concerning prior service
Shipping October 28th to Fort Leonard woods.
I was gonna chose 25B but I’m not a citizen :(
Maybe after my 88M contract ends
Is a fun place you're gonna love it
I ship out to Leonard Wood October 7th for 25N
12B 4 Lyfe. Home of the engineers
Alex Worsham I’m shipping out oct 7 as well and same place. See you there!
haha i came back from leonard wood 2 months ago from cbrn ait, we lived in the same barracks because 88M's and 74D's reside together in the 84th chemical battalion. Get ready for some FTX's and memorizing truck parts and stuff. Luckily you get to drive some vehicles.
Leaving this tuesday to Jacksonville as E-3. This video answered a question i had for sure. Thanks!
Ace Hamilton i just graduated from basic 2weeks ago 2-13 Alpha company
@@JAndersonThe2nd congratulations, i'm glad to hear that.
Ace Hamilton are you a soldier now?
Into week one of AIT after graduating BCT at Jackson, your vids helped out, so thank you Matt.
My home is Korea. So I hope to God I get stationed in Daegu or Pyeongtaek. Ill use that leave to go to Changwon.
Went through in 95 we had an E-4 with us. He got put in charge of everything.
Shipping out to Ft. Jackson Monday as a PFC 15F! Thanks for all your videos, they've helped to answer a ton of questions I've had!
I went through BCT as an E4 and I WAS treated with a LITTLE respect from the DSs I had but it was strictly because I was squared away. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with my rank. I went through Leonard Wood in 2012 (Training Co. Delta 148) and they addressed everyone as Private.
similar to my basic, while the first sergeant (who was probably the "nicest" first sergeant I'll ever have. He talked to us soft like we were babies) called everyone "trainees," at least one of the drill sergeants referred to everyone as "privates" including even the trainees who were E4's
I leave Tuesday for Jackson 25P E-2. Office is closed Sundays.
@MattWard good luck on your wedding!!!
I’m 25P too
You're not treated differently because you get your ranks after you complete the Forge which is the final graduation requirement, therefore you are all privates so rank does not matter. And you cant guess that someone is E3 or E4 because they might not have education for promotion points.
We had a few guys in basic that where going from the national guard to active duty and reclassing as 19 kilos and they had to do everything but they where allowed more visits to PX and allowed a radio or TV,same floor but they all roomed together.
From what I recall, 35 years ago, you did get treated differently if you were prior service. If you had done some ROTC or split training in the reserves and had made PFC, well that didn’t count for squat.
I entered as an E4 and I can confirm that everyone is treated the same
I’m working on my physical fitness while finishing my degree, hoping to go in the guard as an E-3 next year. I’m settled in my job as a corrections officer , but it’s always been my dream to be a soldier .
Hey brother I’m 31E are you leaving soon?
Are you treated different in Basic at a higher rank? Yes, for about twenty minutes. If you're a PFC (E3) or SPC (E4) you will likely be placed in a squad leader or platoon guide role. Reason I say for about twenty minutes is you will have such responsibility removed the first time you screw up.
These positions rotate around during red phase (first 3 weeks) before settling down on a few people. In which case the rank doesn't matter. Its unlikely but not impossible to see one of the first chosen to remain. Had this happen in our platoon in Basic back in 2006. Our specialist was squad lead on the first day, and remained squad leader all the way to graduation. He was also the soldier of the cycle. Just generally pretty squared away.
In AIT it was kinda the same thing. PFCs and SPCs were generally fireteam and squad leads. These positions were semi-permanent. Usually lasting till they got an Article 15 (in which case they lost rank) or graduated, or in some cases changed shifts. But this was in the 15th Signal Brigade at Ft Gordon, so other AIT's might be different. Also these positions went to Phase 5/5+, so cable dogs almost never got it, and only 25 S/N/Q/B and other longer school'd MOS's.
When I did the final field exercise, I was squad lead as a PFC, I actually was in charge of Both MOS-I (guys learning their first MOS) and MOS-T (not initial trainees, reclassers) Specialists and Sergeants. I actually had two NCO's I was in charge of as a private. Uncommon, but not unheard of. They didn't mind me getting the experience. Since my entire squad was all 25S's, I had us do QRF every night. Made the Drill Sergeants think we were hardcore, but in reality, we were getting our sleep during validation. Instead of taking tests, our instructors at Vincent Hall passed us and told us to go to sleep during the days we were there for testing. So we slept all day, and beat the tar out of Op-For at night (who were tired from testing all day). It was a ton of fun. And that is why Satcom is the best MOS, accept no subsitute.
I’m going to BCT in November as a PFC 15T
Good luck!
I have the Same MOS, I ship out next June though
Same mos In reception rn
dawson heft no way!! I could’ve shipped out the same time you did but I chose the later date. Small world!!
good luck at ft eustis
I graduated from BCT in 1981. No such thing as a 'Family day". We got a three day pass and were told to get lost until our AIT report date.
Shipping out 2/5/23, will be going in as an E-4!
Where my future 15C’s at?
How did you get e4
Leaving Tuesday for Fort Jackson 25B wish me luck!
get ready for 5 months of AIT
I’m shipping Oct 21st to ft Benning as a cavalry scout. I not only worry about basic itself, but the stationary life of a cav scout in general and what that’s gonna be like. I also hear it can be a dangerous job, so with my ship date being fairly soon, I’m rather nervous. I just completed meps yesterday. I should also mention they extended OSUT another 8 weeks for cav scout and an extra 10 for infantry. So 22 weeks of training for Cav scouts and 24 for infantry.
I remember Taxis being pretty cheap around base too. Pretty much anywhere in Columbus was like 10-15 bucks.
No, and we call them College E-4, they are E-4 do to civilian education but that’s it they are literally a private.
Hell no lol....I was a 34 year old E-3 and I got smoked right along with the little 19 year old PVT's. In basic you're all "privates". So far in AIT at Ft. Gordon it's the same thing too.
David Smith
I was the same age and rank at basic. Good luck with the rest of your time while you're still in. Even now (I'm an E4 and 36) I still am expected to keep up with the kids when we do PT and when we do manual labor out in the motor pool. Ahh...the army...
@@macburger5026 I appreciate it!!
Yes. They expected me to earn my E3 pay.
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Are you a white Sox fan Matt? I notice that white Sox picture in the top left! Go Sox!
Korea has units on Rotation now of about 6 months. And Units deploy there for training exercises and Show of Force missions. And then there are those stationed there for an OCONUS Duty Station. Most of those wait Mid-Tour to take leave because: Even with MAC Flights, it's still an expensive trip back to the State's, and even if you don't take a MAC Flight (Military Air), and take Commercial, it's still going to take a minimum of 2.5 days of travel time one way, unless you're from PR, The Caribbean, Hawaii, or the West Coast. Because the Flights are lonnnnng!!!
Short answer no everyone will make fun of you though if you enlist with a bachelors degree
NO, you will be treated as a private. Having rank in BCT doesn't mean you are special. Sometime you will be chosen to be in a leadership position in BCT or someone with a lower rank will be in charge of you. No matter what, you all are trainee. For those that are enlisting with ranks, don't be that guy/girl that think they know everything or try to pull ranks on the lower guys in BCT. I promise you, you will not enjoy BCT at all. I enlisted as an E-4 (4 year degree) three years ago and currently an E-5.
Does it make any difference if you’re a 09S(OCS)? I’ve heard stories that they expect more out of you because you’re an officer candidate. And that you’re more likely to get put into leadership positions like you mentioned.
You'll still get fucked up, nothing changes
just dont tell them you are 09s lol
For ft sill the taxi service is americab
Most of these taxi drivers on base are mostly military retirees and veterans themselves.
Thanks for the advice I ship out to fort Benning on Nov 5th as and E-3 MOS 19K and Cross train with 19 D cavalry scouts
Dallas Bullard rip
Good one. Oh, one thing Matt hasn't told you wanta Be's is if you do your pushups now you won't have to do them in basic training yea man, do them now and just tell your DI. that you already did them at home that simple.
NOW DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY WANTA BE.
And you can just skip them in basic
Simple answer. No. Not even a corporal. Had one at osut. Buck Sgt is the only coasting position.
My basic starts feb 3 fort benning , goin as a 25B!
I love your shirt, especially the color.
I don’t know how it is at other bases but on Bragg you can use Lyft and Uber on base.
I’m in AIT right now for 91B going to baltimore
I am currently in the process of joining the army reserves, and am set on 25B for my MOS. From what I understand there is a security clearance you have to pass. I am having a hard time finding specific information about what this entails (for good reason I suppose). I am going to ask my recruiter more about it the next time I see him, but is there any information that you’re allowed and want to provide about this process? Thanks!
Zachary Pindras Basically it's an interview with an investigator they just go over information that you already submitted with your recruiter and make sure everything is correct. Make sure to bring your social and passport, if you have one. They just ask simple questions nothing crazy. I don't think I can release specific questions but that's the jist of it.
just so you know AIT for 25B is 5 months long, on top of the 2 and something months from BCT. From what my friend told me they do a bit of programming and scripting and do a lot of class stuff.
Saw a video that had a Blue to Green E-6 go through BCT. I Can't remember where I saw it. Maybe an Army News video.
No… but what about warrant officer candidates? They can’t wear private ranks for graduation or whatever because they aren’t privates. They’re not paid has privates.
Nobody is treated different. You're not a soldier. You're not even a private. You're a trainee. Lol I hated that part
Hunter Olson hell yeah. I was shocked when they called us trainees
Man really shitting on everyone with the shoes
What about as an E5. I leave in May for Fort Jackson. I was an E5 in the Marine Corps 6 years ago
Heading to the recruiter office Monday quite nervous on joining the army but I'm up for the task
thats something you should think bout hard. Im in national guard rn and we have pt tests every month to make sure we are physically fit and let me tell you thats a pain in the ass. If you are active duty you will be working long days, going on ranges, FTX's and various other stuff and only get to chill on the weekends. Idk, i joined so i can get tuition money but i kind of regret it now that im getting financial aid.
@@Kyotica I did a picat and scored pretty good,but my overall best subjects were on mechanical stuff like the mm/mk/gt the recruiter said If i really like learning in automotive that i could be in 91b or 91h light wheel vehicle mechanic or for track vehicles, I like both I want something in the automotive so I'm up to it, I will be going to him on Monday to see when I go to meps
At my basic training (Alpha battery 1-19 at fort sill) we weren’t even allowed to wear our rank until blue phase.. which is like the last 3 weeks of basic.
Just came back from MEPs, Fort Lee. Not too bad an experience, just very slow and boring. Signed 4 year 35F enlisted airborne!
Drafted into the army May 71 private E1 basic training Fort Jackson South Carolina left basic as a private E2 went to Fort Polk Louisiana infantry training left there as a BFC
Finishing my reply left Louisiana has apfc went to Fort Bliss Texas red eye missile training went to Germany November 71 early 72 promoted to spec for late 72 promoted to Sergeant E5 left Army May 73
We had a guy who was an E-5 in the Navy come into basic as an E-4. I don't remember if he had college or not. Not that it mattered. He left as an E-1 for going AWOL.
We also had a couple people come in as E-3 because they finished college and they were going to OCS. After basic their orders said they were promoted to E-5, not just receive E-5 pay. They reported to OCS as Sergeants and wearing Sergeant rank. Of course they instantly went from Sergeant to Officer Candidate so it didn't make much difference but for a brief time they were NCOs.
As for the guy in Korea you probably misinterpreted him. I don't think you can be stationed there for less than a year. He was probably asking if you can take leave if you've been in country at least 4 months. The answer is yes, you can take a mid-tour leave of up to 2 weeks between your 4th and 8th month provided you have enough leave saved up - although some commanders will let you take leave you haven't earned yet if you will be in the Army long enough to earn it eventually. You can take leave in-country, and some soldiers did this if they had family in country or if they wanted the time off to study for a promotion board or something, but the most common option was to go stateside at their expense or take leave when their tour was up.
Anyone shipping out to Fort Benning on September 23rd?
I am 25 q....flying out from Raleigh nc
Have fun it’s gonna get real cold
Please do an ASU setup video!
Nö, you aren’t. Short and simple answer. If you’re an E-4 bc of like a trade or a degree, no. If you’re an E-4 due to prior service than yes, you will probably be treated different, not that you won’t get smoked with the rest of the platoon but more like the cadre will treat you with more respect. That’s about as simple as it gets imo.
Regarding Uber and Lyft; has that recently changed, or is it different depending on the branch? I used to drive Uber/Lyft (2016) and often had pickups/dropoffs on base at Camp Pendleton. They just checked my ID, as well as the Marine's ID at the gate.
I joined last October I’m military police we had one guy who was in the air force for 12 years and got put in as a e-4 and they treated him just like they treated me as a e-1 if not worse because he got a lot of attention
Going to basic as an O-9, 5-star general.
Hope I don't get treated any differently.
Preston Marlo 👍🏻
Shipping out to Fort Sill as a PV2 June 29th 2020
Hey man could you make a video on the China, Russia, and Iran situation?
You aren’t a soldier technically until you get to your unit, and don’t really have any rank until then.
We had a Sgt in my BCT and he was treated the same as us
I am going as E-4, with master degree..! 92g, because I know how to cook. Love to make food. Shipping out OCT 19. I know right. How soon I can put up my OSC package! 92g got lit if jokes, is that truth. Thank you
Julius Caesar I fall into scam recuiter
How old are you?
Tim B. 34
Mr. Amaan Rushdi Official I’m 30 going for OCS. How was BCT and where did they send you afterwards?
Tim B. I am going to Fort Jaskson for BCT. I am think of warrant officer in Food Safety protection officer after graduation. Back to Kentucky lol 😂
Hey man, you’re actually wrong about most posts and the Uber/lift drivers. Everywhere I’ve been, they are allowed to get a working permit for the post. So certain companies are allowed to the post. Even closed posts like fort huachuca.
What about prior service?
There's a lot of 25 series in these comments maybe I'll see some of y'all at fort Gordon when February rolls around
Does going to jrotc help if you rotc or service academies
I hate to be "that guy," but in the interest of facts: "[N]o peace treaty was ever signed, and the two Koreas are technically still at war, engaged in a frozen conflict. In April 2018, the leaders of North and South Korea met at the DMZ and agreed to work towards a treaty to formally end the Korean War."
Pleasa it is a goog idea to join us army with a Master degree,?
Leaving for fort Jackson Oct 8 E4, I'm hyped like a MF. Ayoo Matt, Thanks for the videos and looking out for future soldiers. Much love bruh ❤️
Rich Harry I’m going that day too
Kyrah McRae we leave in few hours mate, see you in fort Jackson 💪🏽😎
Rich Harry I’m super nervous I’m at the hotel now🙃see h soon
Kyrah McRae Sweet!!! I'm home, they'll come pick me up in the morning and straight to the airport. Where r u shipping from?
Rich Harry I’m at Hilton hotel in NY I think🤦🏽♂️not to sure where the hotel is I believe we are flying from NY I have no idea
Do you have any advice for prior service members going into the Army and having to go through BCT? I have heard everything from don't tell anyone you're prior service to get into a leadership position. I mean I guess it is mostly a person opinion and an individual decision but overall, what is the best way/mentality for a prior service member to enter BCT? I don't want any special treatment but I also don't want to hold back my knowledge or skills just to try to blend in.
**side note, I am a prior service Marine, due to being out for 36+ months I am required to go through Army BCT just like someone who has never been in the military. There is NO more Warrior Transition Course for those 36+ months from Active Duty reenlisting
Can you do a video about ASU set up?
Thank you for all of your videos. Can I get an advance when I’m processing for basic. My family needs the money for rent and security deposit.
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can you change your first duty station, once it's your contract. But dont ship out until 3 months
You said Uber and lift doesn’t work on post? I’m on fort Stewart when I first got here we didn’t have cars and I always got Uber’s and Lyft
Matt started wearing hats cause he’s tired of people teasing his big forehead 😂
Big forehead? lol I'd say it's definitely avg but I've always liked hats. I guess cause I played baseball
How many college credits needed to go in as an E-3?
Rule of thumb is with some college (at least a year) you go in as E-2 but if you have a 4-year degree you go as an E-3. You can also take 4 semesters of JROTC in high school and go as E-2 or 6 semesters and go as E-3. Prior service can also get you E-2 to E-4 depending on what your previous rank was and how long you have been out.
@@mikevanroy9356 " but if you have a 4-year degree you go as an E-3." That's Air Force. A four year degree gets you an E4 in the Army. One of the very few things the Army has better over the Air Force, though not really saying much. An associates degree gets you an E3 in the Army, which was my experience.
@@golfery5119 I wonder why that is.
@@SourStrawberrys don't know. Maybe (and I'm just guessing) that the army probably has a lower rate of enlistees with college than Air Force does, so maybe the army wanted to give people enlisting with four year degrees an extra incentive.
Of course if you have a four year degree and you want to join the army it might be a better idea to either come in as an officer if possible or make sure you pick a mos that has less nonsense in it (and arguably closer to the air force) than others. A decent example is quite a few medical (not combat medic) mos.
Especially given the fact that even if you enlist as an E4 you will still have to wait quite some time, maybe around 3 years or so, before you can be looked at for promotion to sergeant e5.
Certain mos and units (which you have no control over but in part depended on your mos) will most likely consider an E4 specialist as not much better than an e1-e3 Private.
That means you'd still be treated like a little kid plus have to deal with even more nonsense, like complete bullshit pt, fucking around the motor pool, scrubbing out toilets and just sitting around bored out of your scull waiting for dismissal (it's even more boring than I'm describing). Infantry kids may also be put to labor like mowing lawns.
And still were not looking at the fact that if you are unmarried and trying to enlist, someone in the air force is allowed to move out of the barracks when they reach the rank of E4, whereas someone in the army is not allowed to move out of the barracks until they reach the rank of E6 (even enlisting as an E4 in the army, you'd still have to wait probably 7 or 8 years to get to e6 just like an E1 private in army would have to wait. Somebody enlisting in air force as e3 would have to wait at max maybe two years before they reach E4 and are allowed to move out).
Not to say air force doesn't have any of this, but arguably less of it than army does.
So if you had a bachelor's degree and you were enlisting you'd probably be more likely to want to join air force instead of army (air force overall is more booksmart than physical labor like army is), so that's probably why army has the E4 thing as an incentive.
@@golfery5119 People always suggest people with degree go in as an officer, but realistically the chances are slim to none right now due to retention rate. The last 3 boards got canceled for all branches. The only one that was still open was space force so applied to that after they canceled air force one. Then when we got the result turns out they only chose 9 people total and 5 of them were already enlisted. Meaning they only chose 4 civilians out of the thousands that applied. I have a feeling the next boards in Dec will also be canceled as I don't see the retention rate and job availability changing. So I'm just going to see if I can enlist as an e3. I already wasted time. I should have just enlisted a year ago when I tried going officer route. I had a feeling the retention rate was going to be high in 2020 due to job market anyways.
Hi Matt, im 31 with a college degree and I'm in the process of joini g the army. How soon do you think I can put in a package to ocs if I enlist as an e4 first? Will my age affect me going ocs if I enlist first?
You should talk to the recruiter and tell them you want to complete your OCS packet
Bernard Jex nah they gonna ho you depending on your degree, references and gpa
In reception battalion rn 🤘
Hey a friend of mine is about to graduate from boot camp. But now he has to stay 3 weeks before he goes to Jumping school. What is that time?
Still at reception fort Jackson
more misery than actual basic will be.
Seargent E7 means? its only E4 and E3 😊 Please help me. Considering my son to join this army thing 😊