For those of us that use our SUVs like a truck sometimes, the flat load floor is a must. I have a 2003 Suburban that I’ve taken overlanding with a 4L transfer case, towing 9000lbs, a people carrier, yard work, vehicle recovery, and more. It just does it all. Sure I’ve had to repair things and rebuild the transmission and transfer case, but in terms of cost to own, it’s cheap. I rarely have to spend more than $1k on a repair. Many things I can do myself. The engine is always solid, the ride is smooth, on the highway the mpg is still in the mid 20s, there is so much glass you don’t need cameras to drive it. I just don’t see why they stepped away from designs like that? The efficiency they preach about is minimal for all the complications they’ve introduced. It makes no sense.
This is why manufacturers are basically killing themselves with these msrps. Its literally now cheaper to replace an engine, transmission, and everyrhing else several times over than buy a new vehicle. Blows my fucking mind how stupid corporate executives have become
@@dr._breens_beardit’s a long term approach: in 5 to 10 years all vehicles are going to be disposable. Once you damage something it’s going to be cheaper to replace the whole thing. Remember “you will own nothing and you will be happy”. Everything is coming down to a lease and you will always have a new one as long as you keep paying. Nowadays warranties lasts longer but the cars are less reliable, that way you don’t want to be out of warranty. It’s a F@“ing shame
Wow mid 20 mpg really? Is that an overestimate? If not that’s amazing. 2017 Porsche Cayenne S e-hybrid. I’ve seen 27 mpg on 200 mile trips but avg highway is around 22-23
If long term vehicle ownership is your goal, efficiency improvements don't mean squat when the cost to replace the hybrid batteries & turbo (with all it's associated extra complexity) well exceed all the fuel economy savings over the lifetime of the vehicle.
I suspect a lot of it boils down to CO2 and regulations. Even if hybrid/turbo drivetrains make marginally better mpg they typically release much less CO2
My husband and I test drove this against a Yukon xl. I love the way it looked and it had an actual gear shifter! However the third row, cargo area, overall comfort is why we went with a Yukon xl duramax. When we come over the pass in the duramax we get average mpg of 30, it is amazing. We do drive half way up a mountain so we needed something that was capable but we are not truly driving off-road, I think if we doing true off roading we might have looked more at it.
It's not a minivan. I sell Toyotas, not many people are buying these are using them as cargo haulers, this is a family toy hauler, or a luxury large car. @@3SOULENT
No one covers serviceability. I love this channel for that! When I buy vehicles I keep them until they completely die. 15-20 years. I cannot deal with something this complex. GMC Yukon at4 / Suburban z71or even the Nissan Titan with that NA V8 for me
Toyota hybrid batteries last 10-15 years depending on how much you use them, plus they hold value better. Yukone, Suburbans will die sooner and hold less value.
@C4B2353 I had a prius. Its battery lasted forever. With a truck like this, it's gonna see some abuse with towing, off-roading. My concern would be the other parts of the power train. What makes you think Suburb/Yukon would do poorly under 10 -15 years? We do see a lot of old Suburbs and yukons from the early 2000's driving out there. Resale value 100% true 👍🏾
Toyota has building hybrid batteries getting upwards of 500k miles for like 20 years. Let me know how that Nissan is treating you in 15 years on its 8th transmission.
@derekisthematrix awe, really? So we're boned either way. All this power train wizz bang propulsion is too much. If I can't take it to a local mech or fix it myself, that's a definite con in my book. I don't want to pay all that money for one only to have a nasa engineer be the only one who can fix it when it breaks
The screen needs to be bigger. Maybe just get rid of the front windshield and replace it with a screen. The fake exhaust sound isn't loud enough. They should have just downloaded an mp3 of a straight piped Ferrari and played that at max volume instead. The trunk is too big. What am I going to do with all that space?
The door handles are not electric and are too easy to operate. It needs a third headlight in the middle for optimum visibility while driving it daily off-road through Sherwood Park in fog in your way to the office. The steering wheel should be shaped like an isosceles triangle. The third row passengers should have a switch to control the front and rear windshield wipers. The Toyota badge should be written in Mandrin. The roof should be removable. Why doesn’t it have a 4th row for your 5 kids? It’s way too large. Front driver leg and headroom is too tight if you are over 7’ Tall.
not with the current battery tech and safety standards. They should've just went 2 variants, a normal v6 twin turbo and a hybrid. This would've been so sweet on a non hybrid.
I don’t think naturally aspirated V8 customers would want these. I’d simply get a Tahoe if I was in this market because it has a naturally aspirated V8.
@@AndyE30 I get the feeling that Toyota poured blood into the previous Tundra generations only to find that American pickup buyers only cared about the badge their daddy bought, and said "Screw it, we'll just make it bulletproof and give it just enough engineering effort to retain the few people who want a Toyota truck."
@@jacksmack6956 The original Tundras were brilliant trucks, vastly superior in build quality and mechanical virtue to the US-branded competitors, yet most pickup buyers never even gave them a look. Toyota even moved its truck HQ to Texas just to pander to them, all to no avail.
Honestly that rear cargo catastrophe still makes this vehicle a nogo for me, no matter what flavor they add. I use my suv as a pseudo truck, and their commitment to the solid rear axle plus the battery makes that loadfloor unusable. A burb is not only flat, its load floor is way lower and it can fit 4x8 sheet goods and close the rear hatch. Its actually a truck. This thing is a toy for soccer moms who are too good for minivans
It apparently has less usable rear space than a 4Runner, an old truck that’s smaller. It’s easy to see GM puts the most amount of effort into their 3 row trucks because the suburban/Tahoe are just the best picks easily. The rest feel like the bare minimum, at least on the surface.
@dawsongranger4940 the expedition had a HUGE step up since the 2017 model. The wagoneer feels like it was luxury first and usability second, hopefully the new Durango will fix that with some body changes. But honestly even the armada feels better to use than the sequoia, other than durability the armada was always the better of the two Japanese BOF's.
I really wish they offered a third-row delete / 5-seater option. That would largely solve the biggest deal-breaker for most people - the abysmal storage for how large this SUV is.
Yeah I would probably buy one if they deleted the third row and dropped the price about $10k. Instead I'm going with the Lexus GX 550 Overtrail. Superior in every way.
I just pulled the trigger on a 2013 Landcruiser. Sure it’s 10 yrs old and has 150k miles, but it literally drives like it’s brand new and it is absolutely incredible off road. Love it!!! If I could afford the heritage edition I’d buy 10 of them. They will be worth their weight in gold in 25 yrs!
enjoy that v8, they missed it with this model, exterior styling looks great but everything else is designed for you to buy another one in 7-8 years@@ccabz08
@@christophermartin972 That's what I got too, 3 years ago. Found one with just 57K miles and in great shape, for $42K. This is simply the best vehicle I have ever owned. The only downside is the fuel consumption. I get about 13 city, 17-18 highway. It is a small price to pay for the durability and reliability. Minimal electronics. I just love the effortless power of the V8. The LC is so quiet in town and it simply glides around. The high seating position is superb.
@derekisthematrix you can also leave it in 2wd. Auto 4wd is the next selection, then 4H, then 4L. It's the most versatile system and once you have it, you want it in every vehicle.
While I like the overall package, I am floored that the Sequoia doesn't do better in the MPG when it's drivetrain is that complex. My 6 year old 4wd QX80 (which Jack refers to as a dinosaur) gets 17 mpg regularly and 20mpg on road trips our of an 'old school' 5.7 V8. Guess you can hope that Toyota reliability will be there in the long term.
For comparison sake, a Lexus TX500h which has very similar drive train technology to this car, a 2.4 turbo with a 6 speed and a hybrid system, gets you about 27mpg, and it weight above 5500lbs. Now the Sequoia weighs significantly more you’re looking between 6600 to an almost 7000lb SUV with a TTV6 Hybrid system making 437hp and 586lb-ft or torque on a much less aerodynamic body, and its body on frame, there is no way this was ever going to get 30mpg, it is just not physically possible. I mean a Grand Highlander can get you 35ish mpg, if you’re ok with 245hp, a small buzzy 4 cylinder and an E-CVT
Just picked up my Seq Pro. So far loving it and enjoying it. Yeah rear cargo kinda suck, but just use that floating platform and it’ll be flat with spaces underneath. That’s more than enough. Even if 3rd is in use. Still room and you can alway store inside between the rear captains seats.
We love our 2023 Sequoia! Get a Thule rack / bike rack and it makes it even better. For a family of 5 it’s perfect. Putting the Grandparents in it can be tough, but doable for ski trips, aka 7.
Did Jack say he’s seeing FIFTEEN mpg in cold weather? That’s it? My 2011 5.7 Sequoia 4x4 with all-terrain tires gets around 12mpg in cold weather mixed driving and about 14 in warm weather. Considering the cost of entry, the added complexity of the drivetrain, and the rear floor situation - I just don’t see this as much of an upgrade from a Gen2
I'm still rocking my 2004 Toyota Rav4. This is my dream vehicle the automobile of the future! 😍 I'm 6'2 looking for space, so I'm hoping this upgrade is it. I love Toyotas ❤️
I own a 2021 platinum with V8 will keep it for a very long time, cargo capacity is insane, third row is huge and second row can move forward, cargo floor is low and easy to load and FLAT. 4wd switches on fly not faster than 60mph. Apple carplay, and all the other important stuff like lane tracing assist. Super happy and don't plan to update anytime soon, with only 38k miles. New sequoia looks good tho. but too many sacrificies..
Guys - could you please do a review on the AMG G63? Please! Please! Please! Your reviews are second to none! I cannot thank you enough for the quality of your contents. Thanks to your review, I got a Cayenne GTS last year. Best SUV purchase EVER!!👍👍👍
Toyota appear to 'punt' on the location of the batteries in all their newer trucks. The Sequoia, the new Land Cruiser, and I bet the new 4Runner will all suffer these packaging woes. It was a dealbreaker for me for sure. In addition, the ride/handling is still a mess... it just doesn't ride like a vehicle costing this much should ride.
I saw one of these on the road for the first time last week. Glad you could get your hands on one. Won’t be buying one but it looked cool and went to your channel today and you’ve got a video out on it. Don’t think these will see much off roading. Maybe some enthusiasts. But the one I saw was being piloted around in a strip mall by some mom probably on her way to a massage envy
Great review! I almost went with one, but the back space is ridiculous with the step, and I don't trust the motor. Should've built it a few years ago with the V8.
@@smiththers2yup! I’ve got a ‘21 Tundra, and no way gonna let it go. Wanted a Sequoia but not this one…price is ridiculous as well. A reliable Yukon is at same price point.
Garbage interior storage, smaller cargo space with 3rd row up compared to domestics, not flat folding overall cargo area, and an unproven complicated powertrain. Way to go Toyota.
I noticed in the videos as you and jack stop at aT intersection...it seems to a busy fast two lane road... glad the cars...SUVs have good quick up in power.
Just rolled 800 miles on my wifes 24 sequoia. Flat floor doesnt matter to me since rear seats are always up. Auto start from keyfob is a joke. Cooled seats are way to loud but other than that it great so far. 100k 10yr warranty so nothing to worry about for a while
I off-road quite a bit here in Alaska, and I have been looking at the Sequoia TRD Pro since it first redesigned. The only thing that kept me from buying one is the non flat fold down third row because I want to utilize that for winter camping if it get too cold to sleep outside sometime.
@@WallsCastroexcept putting-small-turbo-engines-in-big-cars Toyota, which is them now. We may have entered the planned obsolescence era of the cars industry.
My '02 Sequoia has both a flat load floor and removable 3rd row. Paying $60k+ for even the base model is not in the cards for me even if I wanted it. I'll happily throw another $5k into the old one so it can keep on rolling for another decade.
Now that one can spec the Tahoe Z71 with the 3 liter Duramax, that would be my choice for ladder on frame SUV. All the GM ladder on frame SUV’s can be had with the Duramax, even the Escalade. The torque and efficiency are top of class
This vehicle is intended for one market: The “I will never own a minivan and this off-road thing is totally cool” market. It’s a fancy kid hauler that will never see 1% of its life spent off-roading. But people will buy it, like it, and drive it while wearing mountain climbing shoes and rugged-looking designer clothes, wearing a carabiner on a lanyard around their necks when buying socks at REI.
Toyota knows this. That's why it's so bad off road. Go watch the Truck King review where it gets stuck in grass and it's terrible ground clearance deletes the front fascia. 😂
Why is there an issue with "potential reliability"? Toyota has been making turbo cars for years. I'm old enough to remember all the down play and question reliability of hybrids back in the day, how did those comments work out?
What are the details of the Toyota service life durability? I can’t find any details online about how long a service life is…? Does anyone know how many miles/years/hours these are tested to last?
Exactly. By the time the battery does need replaced, there will be 3rd party options like there is for the Prius and other models. Either rebuilt batteries or even lithium, but I’d stick to NiMH like is currently in them.
@@krane15 depends on who’s buying it. Most Seqouia, Land Cruiser (previous gen) and Lexus LX owners keep their vehicles a very long time. Either way, even as a 2nd owner I would be afraid of the hybrid battery, I’d rather be concerned with how it was maintained. Part of the issue with the earlier Prius’s engine was a lack of maintenance. People forget that they have to do coolant flushes and to not overextend the oil change intervals. I think we’ll see more engine related problems with plug-in hybrids since many people tout how long it’s been since the engine has even turned on. Some people with the RAV4 prime have gone over a year without the engine running, so they don’t change the oil since in their mind it has 0 miles.
The serviceability & longterm reliability is what I want. Which is why Ill be looking at used vehicles for a good deal on a used Naturally aspirated V8 Sequoia or V6 4Runner. If it lasted 20yrs this wouldn't be an issue.. but we're talking 5-10yrs which is when we'll know how reliable this model is.
Now granted this wasn’t my personal vehicle. I work at a toyota dealership as a tech. The replacement was covered under warranty and supposedly it’s not all that common. Maybe a handful in the whole country I was told. But still.
The new toyota/Lexus products makes me very happy I bought a 22 GX V8. Gets the same mileage and will easily run more than 300K miles. No high strung Small twin turbo EV motor. Gx has plenty of smooth V-8 power for me, but I'm not a speed demon racing a heavy SUV around town.
WRT to the rear storage area..."Still screwed up" and "the floor is not packaged all that well". Don't be kind. It's awful. Just say that it's garbage. It's absolute trash. It was 100% a dealbreaker for me. Every other maker does it better, and by a large margin.
It's a great vehicle except for the 3rd row and rear storage. Makes it a non-starter for me to consider. If it had a flat floor like the LX600 or had more rear storage space with the 3rd row setup I might consider it but not with both negatives.
Is SG MPG as measured, or dash indicated? My 5.7L Sequoia (wife driving kids around town) gets 16-17mpg measured. Isn't the new drivetrain supposed to get better mpg than the old?
Lots of cars ride rough now because they inflate the tires higher. This is give it better mpg for random CAFE tests when they buy a vehicle off a lot and test it. The tire inflation combined with the 22” wheels makes a very rough ride for what could be a great ride.
Have GMC that came with with Magnaride - rode great until the shocks failed at 60k and again at 100k and were leaking at 120k. Now have Fox shocks front and rear. No complaints. I like Toyota's choice.
@@trahar6257 you mean 583lbs of torque dummy? Nah, but my 2020 Gt500 produces 625lb of torque. Is this the best suv you can buy dummy? Nah, sit your ass down and stop acting like you are on the spectrum with talking about torque. I promise you my 07 will out live this TRD
I'm between the TRD PRO and the V8 Defender 130. I do off-road once a month for a weekend. I think the only thing that is going to make me choice the Defender is that the V8 is going to sound better after exhaust mods. Currently in a 2023 ESCALADE ESV which I hate almost everything about except the audio system and the way it sounds with the exhaust mods. I'm so torn in this decision!
If it’s body on frame, that apologizes for unusable trunk or small 3rd row. Maybe but not for the price Toyota charges with potential markups at the dealer. Consumers pay the total price which is hard to factor in to a review and pricing might change?
What a weird time. I’d honestly recommend getting one the of the GM versions over this. Even for reliability. GM has their issues but you can’t beat serviceability on an NA 5.3 or 6.2 over a hybrid tt v6. I’d more readily take the duramax too as they’ve had a few years to sort it out.
talk about a half baked engine. the tundra is suffering a lot because of this... they really need to get it figured out before id ever trust it to run 300k. im way too broke to afford one anyways, but i absolutely love my 2013 tundra.
AFM or Cylinder de-activation on GM Engines will not come close to beating the longevity of these Toyota hybrid setups… sorry. And diesel from anyone these days is going to come with sensor/regen/dpf/def headaches, so no, that won’t outshine a Toyota Hybrid setup either.
My wife prefers to have her boyfriend Paulo drive, so I end up in the 3rd row of one of these. It's really cramped due to the battery packaging and I'm starting to regret co-signing the 7 year loan on it for him.
Coming from a '23 Tundra which shares the drive train as well as the frame and many other interior and exterior parts, I was disappointed with the build quality of this new gen. Lots of cheap interior plastics, tons of annoying rattles, wind noise, and just loud interior for a $60k + vehicle. Real world MPGs are actually around 15-17. Suspension, even with rear coil springs, was a downgrade for this gen from the previous gen. It's a mix bag, but poor quality build as well as reliability of this turbo engine is what had me switch to a GMC 3.0 Duramax.
Toyota sells reliability more than they do any other positive trait. Sadly, their build quality and reliability isn’t any better than many many other (more competitive) brands. Sad consumers give up so much because of this marketing ‘push’.
The perfect vehicle to tackle mall parking lots. The majority of vehicles like this are bought for image over function and are relegated to being pavement queens...but hey.......it's all about the "image"
10:30 20 years is when I’ll be buying something like this! Refuse to take debt, so have an 04 Sequoia Limited that’s been rock solid and was cheap. in 20 years i’ll more likely be buying a 2023 4runner….
Just serviced my 21 LC and noticed three sequoias on the lot of my dealership. Also noticed a sequoia Trd pro and two Tacoma Trd pros in the service area. I asked my service guy what his opinion was on the Sequoia, and he gently shook his head No. I asked why. He said the biggest problem with the Sequoia Trd pro was the seats. The exterior material and the padding within the seats Rub up against each other and squeak. For $80k he said that should not happen. Customers are not happy. Same deal with Tacoma TRD pro seats as well. He recommended I stay with the Japanese build and wait for the North American build to catch up if ever.
For those of us that use our SUVs like a truck sometimes, the flat load floor is a must. I have a 2003 Suburban that I’ve taken overlanding with a 4L transfer case, towing 9000lbs, a people carrier, yard work, vehicle recovery, and more. It just does it all. Sure I’ve had to repair things and rebuild the transmission and transfer case, but in terms of cost to own, it’s cheap. I rarely have to spend more than $1k on a repair. Many things I can do myself. The engine is always solid, the ride is smooth, on the highway the mpg is still in the mid 20s, there is so much glass you don’t need cameras to drive it. I just don’t see why they stepped away from designs like that? The efficiency they preach about is minimal for all the complications they’ve introduced. It makes no sense.
This is why manufacturers are basically killing themselves with these msrps. Its literally now cheaper to replace an engine, transmission, and everyrhing else several times over than buy a new vehicle. Blows my fucking mind how stupid corporate executives have become
@@dr._breens_beardit’s a long term approach: in 5 to 10 years all vehicles are going to be disposable. Once you damage something it’s going to be cheaper to replace the whole thing. Remember “you will own nothing and you will be happy”. Everything is coming down to a lease and you will always have a new one as long as you keep paying. Nowadays warranties lasts longer but the cars are less reliable, that way you don’t want to be out of warranty. It’s a F@“ing shame
Wow mid 20 mpg really? Is that an overestimate? If not that’s amazing. 2017 Porsche Cayenne S e-hybrid. I’ve seen 27 mpg on 200 mile trips but avg highway is around 22-23
If long term vehicle ownership is your goal, efficiency improvements don't mean squat when the cost to replace the hybrid batteries & turbo (with all it's associated extra complexity) well exceed all the fuel economy savings over the lifetime of the vehicle.
I suspect a lot of it boils down to CO2 and regulations. Even if hybrid/turbo drivetrains make marginally better mpg they typically release much less CO2
No rear flat folding cargo area: check. No front tow hooks :check , hybrid only: check . Over priced: Check.
no extra charge for the sun roof on all sequoia models check , dealer markups $10-$20k check
@onehandwashestheother just because I have money doesn’t mean I need to spend it on overpriced stuff; check
@onehandwashestheotheri would argue anyone spending this much money on a commodity car is foolish, not "poor"
@onehandwashestheother $60k yes $80k no
Incredibly low ground clearance and poor approach/departure angles...Check.
My husband and I test drove this against a Yukon xl. I love the way it looked and it had an actual gear shifter! However the third row, cargo area, overall comfort is why we went with a Yukon xl duramax. When we come over the pass in the duramax we get average mpg of 30, it is amazing. We do drive half way up a mountain so we needed something that was capable but we are not truly driving off-road, I think if we doing true off roading we might have looked more at it.
Cant wait to drive this full speed into my local BBQ joint for not cutting my cornbread into isoscoles triangles
The rear packaging compromises made to install the battery pack is a killer for me.
Right … just seems… counterintuitive
It's not a minivan. I sell Toyotas, not many people are buying these are using them as cargo haulers, this is a family toy hauler, or a luxury large car. @@3SOULENT
They should have put them in the roof. Not only would that save space, but it would emulate the tippy death trap feel of SUVs from back in the day!
No one covers serviceability. I love this channel for that! When I buy vehicles I keep them until they completely die. 15-20 years.
I cannot deal with something this complex. GMC Yukon at4 / Suburban z71or even the Nissan Titan with that NA V8 for me
Toyota hybrid batteries last 10-15 years depending on how much you use them, plus they hold value better. Yukone, Suburbans will die sooner and hold less value.
@C4B2353 I had a prius. Its battery lasted forever.
With a truck like this, it's gonna see some abuse with towing, off-roading. My concern would be the other parts of the power train.
What makes you think Suburb/Yukon would do poorly under 10 -15 years?
We do see a lot of old Suburbs and yukons from the early 2000's driving out there.
Resale value 100% true 👍🏾
Toyota has building hybrid batteries getting upwards of 500k miles for like 20 years. Let me know how that Nissan is treating you in 15 years on its 8th transmission.
@@hw534that's because early 2000s GM trucks and burbs were actually decent quality. Those days are long gone.
@derekisthematrix awe, really?
So we're boned either way. All this power train wizz bang propulsion is too much. If I can't take it to a local mech or fix it myself, that's a definite con in my book.
I don't want to pay all that money for one only to have a nasa engineer be the only one who can fix it when it breaks
The screen needs to be bigger. Maybe just get rid of the front windshield and replace it with a screen.
The fake exhaust sound isn't loud enough. They should have just downloaded an mp3 of a straight piped Ferrari and played that at max volume instead.
The trunk is too big. What am I going to do with all that space?
The door handles are not electric and are too easy to operate.
It needs a third headlight in the middle for optimum visibility while driving it daily off-road through Sherwood Park in fog in your way to the office.
The steering wheel should be shaped like an isosceles triangle.
The third row passengers should have a switch to control the front and rear windshield wipers.
The Toyota badge should be written in Mandrin.
The roof should be removable.
Why doesn’t it have a 4th row for your 5 kids?
It’s way too large.
Front driver leg and headroom is too tight if you are over 7’ Tall.
So many incredibly engineering feats accomplished on this truck, but they really couldn’t come up with a better solution for packaging that battery?
not with the current battery tech and safety standards. They should've just went 2 variants, a normal v6 twin turbo and a hybrid. This would've been so sweet on a non hybrid.
@@wowmawc I'm sure they will. Considering the Tundra offers the non-hybrid i-force engine and now the new Lexus GX.
I still haven't seen many of these on the road, I think the price tag has scared away cuatomers.
I don’t think naturally aspirated V8 customers would want these. I’d simply get a Tahoe if I was in this market because it has a naturally aspirated V8.
I see a bunch in the "nicer" areas of the south
Its the same starting price as the GX 550 Overtrail+ …… I know which one I would get
They don't make a ton of Sequoia's compared to the Tundra, that might be why you don't see a ton of them.
I think the uneven cargo is driving people away. That’s really inconvenient even to pack luggage for the airport.
Another solid review. For my situation the lack of an auto 4WD is a deal breaker. The competition all offer this option.
I don't.understamd how this is built by NA for NA and no new Toyota products offer locking front diffs or auto 4wd
@@AndyE30 I get the feeling that Toyota poured blood into the previous Tundra generations only to find that American pickup buyers only cared about the badge their daddy bought, and said "Screw it, we'll just make it bulletproof and give it just enough engineering effort to retain the few people who want a Toyota truck."
@@tonysterbencsure, it’s always the costumers fault, never the incompetence of the manufacturer.
@@jacksmack6956 The original Tundras were brilliant trucks, vastly superior in build quality and mechanical virtue to the US-branded competitors, yet most pickup buyers never even gave them a look. Toyota even moved its truck HQ to Texas just to pander to them, all to no avail.
Honestly that rear cargo catastrophe still makes this vehicle a nogo for me, no matter what flavor they add. I use my suv as a pseudo truck, and their commitment to the solid rear axle plus the battery makes that loadfloor unusable. A burb is not only flat, its load floor is way lower and it can fit 4x8 sheet goods and close the rear hatch. Its actually a truck. This thing is a toy for soccer moms who are too good for minivans
It apparently has less usable rear space than a 4Runner, an old truck that’s smaller. It’s easy to see GM puts the most amount of effort into their 3 row trucks because the suburban/Tahoe are just the best picks easily. The rest feel like the bare minimum, at least on the surface.
@dawsongranger4940 the expedition had a HUGE step up since the 2017 model. The wagoneer feels like it was luxury first and usability second, hopefully the new Durango will fix that with some body changes. But honestly even the armada feels better to use than the sequoia, other than durability the armada was always the better of the two Japanese BOF's.
@@james2042😊
Solid rear axle. Ben-Hur approved.
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Hur hur hur
I really wish they offered a third-row delete / 5-seater option. That would largely solve the biggest deal-breaker for most people - the abysmal storage for how large this SUV is.
tax reasons
Yeah I would probably buy one if they deleted the third row and dropped the price about $10k. Instead I'm going with the Lexus GX 550 Overtrail. Superior in every way.
if you have a cooter@@omnimoeish
Well that's where the next generation Land Cruiser (Prado) comes in I guess
@@omnimoeish Oh yeah the new GX is a much better buy at this price point in my opinion. That’s a great decision
Finally managed to see one the other day, it's a sharp looking truck however shocked that it sets you back almost 100k Canadian.
Yeah and it's still not near perfect...
@@newjacksm Haven't had the chance to drive one yet but there seems to be a lot of complaints about its ride quality.
Makes me want to get the LC heritage that much more
Not gonna lie, I love it more everyday
I just pulled the trigger on a 2013 Landcruiser. Sure it’s 10 yrs old and has 150k miles, but it literally drives like it’s brand new and it is absolutely incredible off road. Love it!!! If I could afford the heritage edition I’d buy 10 of them. They will be worth their weight in gold in 25 yrs!
enjoy that v8, they missed it with this model, exterior styling looks great but everything else is designed for you to buy another one in 7-8 years@@ccabz08
your 2013 will out last this 2024 guaranteed @@christophermartin972
@@christophermartin972 That's what I got too, 3 years ago. Found one with just 57K miles and in great shape, for $42K. This is simply the best vehicle I have ever owned. The only downside is the fuel consumption. I get about 13 city, 17-18 highway. It is a small price to pay for the durability and reliability. Minimal electronics. I just love the effortless power of the V8. The LC is so quiet in town and it simply glides around. The high seating position is superb.
My biggest complaint was lack of awd or auto 4x4. My wife wasn’t trilled about switching between 2 and 4wd all winter.
That's actually a Pro for many people. Unless you're towing, perhaps you could do well with an AWD Highlander?
@@derekisthematrix or a Volvo
@@leeboo2521Toyota knows how to make it. Look at the new Land-cruiser. They just chose not to do it and you keep defending them.
@@ScoobyFermentation I'm not even sure what you're talking about, but go buy a Landcruiser?
@derekisthematrix you can also leave it in 2wd. Auto 4wd is the next selection, then 4H, then 4L. It's the most versatile system and once you have it, you want it in every vehicle.
With all the complexity of the drivetrain, it would’ve been far nicer to see 30+mpg to justify the shear level in making it so complex.
If it was in a mid size truck. It probably could.
And the shear level of cost!
While I like the overall package, I am floored that the Sequoia doesn't do better in the MPG when it's drivetrain is that complex. My 6 year old 4wd QX80 (which Jack refers to as a dinosaur) gets 17 mpg regularly and 20mpg on road trips our of an 'old school' 5.7 V8. Guess you can hope that Toyota reliability will be there in the long term.
For comparison sake, a Lexus TX500h which has very similar drive train technology to this car, a 2.4 turbo with a 6 speed and a hybrid system, gets you about 27mpg, and it weight above 5500lbs. Now the Sequoia weighs significantly more you’re looking between 6600 to an almost 7000lb SUV with a TTV6 Hybrid system making 437hp and 586lb-ft or torque on a much less aerodynamic body, and its body on frame, there is no way this was ever going to get 30mpg, it is just not physically possible. I mean a Grand Highlander can get you 35ish mpg, if you’re ok with 245hp, a small buzzy 4 cylinder and an E-CVT
@@alwaysiyi272yeah, only on highway will it give you that high of mpg. Not city. For the Lexus is 19mpg city “if” you drive it nicely, like a granny.
I don’t understand why Toyota does not build a non hybrid version of the sequoia therefore lower price and better third row packaging.
(Cafe standard ) fuel economy
@@mrphiscal I think Toyota has lost their way because you can buy the new GX without they hybrid bs.
@@sierratough4934hybrid GX was announced but we have no idea when it’s coming and stuff. Good thing is that the non-hybrid is an option.
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I think it had to be top dog so the Landcruiser can fit in above the 4Runner and below the Sequoia
Ive seen this on the road and it stands out and is very beautiful. Id love to buy one
I drive a 2021 Tacoma and you're right, the new Sequoia looks good. Kinda tough to decide between it or the Lexus variant
@@leeboo2521go for acura mdx
I hate start/stop! I turn it off first thing when I start my car.
Here too. I only put it "on" when i now i have to wait longer than a minute.
Just picked up my Seq Pro. So far loving it and enjoying it. Yeah rear cargo kinda suck, but just use that floating platform and it’ll be flat with spaces underneath. That’s more than enough. Even if 3rd is in use. Still room and you can alway store inside between the rear captains seats.
you currently see a lot of 10-20 year old Sequoias roaming the streets. I can guarandamntee you that you will not see any 2024 25 26 SQs in 2040s
I look forward to being blinded by one of these at night on our rural roads in the future. Another great review by Savage Geese!
@onehandwashestheother that's exactly why I installed my quad 9 inch spot lights, you'll be seeing spots for the next 20 miles 😊
We love our 2023 Sequoia! Get a Thule rack / bike rack and it makes it even better. For a family of 5 it’s perfect. Putting the Grandparents in it can be tough, but doable for ski trips, aka 7.
The third row and cargo area just don’t seem big or useful enough to justify its exterior size vs say a 4Runner. I’d get the new GX over this.
Did Jack say he’s seeing FIFTEEN mpg in cold weather? That’s it? My 2011 5.7 Sequoia 4x4 with all-terrain tires gets around 12mpg in cold weather mixed driving and about 14 in warm weather. Considering the cost of entry, the added complexity of the drivetrain, and the rear floor situation - I just don’t see this as much of an upgrade from a Gen2
Jack flying solo in a gaggle of one for this one. Good work, Jack
We just need a 170 inch station wagon
Buy a Corolla hatchback.
@@FeLiX13sLaVei want a Mitsubishi mirage wagon basically
I don’t want to lift with my back ducking down to access my cargo, lifted wagons are the way to go.
Wouldn't suggest towing a boat with a station wagon.
@@virtuserableford flex
I’m a Toyota “fan boy” and I’m skipping turbos on large vehicles. I work for Toyota HQ too so I’m not a hater.
@FURTIVEGESTURES We have been using turbos on 'engines' for DECADES that regularly pull 10s of thousands of pounds. This is not a new concept.
.... don't all 18-wheelers have turbos lol
I'm still rocking my 2004 Toyota Rav4. This is my dream vehicle the automobile of the future! 😍 I'm 6'2 looking for space, so I'm hoping this upgrade is it. I love Toyotas ❤️
The V8 will be missed for alot of reasons!!
One of them being that it wasn’t a planned obsolescence engine. Toyota is really losing it now…
Do you think Toyota wanted to go turbo/hybrid, EV?😂
@@Silverfox1982 they invented the Prius. So yes. Lol.
They probably wouldn't of went twin turbo though if it wasn't for cafe and epa at least in these true SUV models@@juggsauce
@@faheemabbas3965People said the same thing about the Toyota V6 engines. They were wrong.
I had a 2017 Lexus GX460 with a V8, and I kick myself for selling it. Head and shoulders above this new drive train from serviceability perspective.
Had one likewise and got rid of it due to horrible mpg hoping something would come along with better mpg in the future. No such luck yet
I own a 2021 platinum with V8 will keep it for a very long time, cargo capacity is insane, third row is huge and second row can move forward, cargo floor is low and easy to load and FLAT. 4wd switches on fly not faster than 60mph. Apple carplay, and all the other important stuff like lane tracing assist. Super happy and don't plan to update anytime soon, with only 38k miles. New sequoia looks good tho. but too many sacrificies..
Guys - could you please do a review on the AMG G63? Please! Please! Please! Your reviews are second to none! I cannot thank you enough for the quality of your contents. Thanks to your review, I got a Cayenne GTS last year. Best SUV purchase EVER!!👍👍👍
I can't wait to see this in its natural habitat, the Cabela's parking lot.
Toyota appear to 'punt' on the location of the batteries in all their newer trucks. The Sequoia, the new Land Cruiser, and I bet the new 4Runner will all suffer these packaging woes. It was a dealbreaker for me for sure. In addition, the ride/handling is still a mess... it just doesn't ride like a vehicle costing this much should ride.
You guys are the best! Happy New Year!
It's criminal how much Toyota is charging for these
add dealer mark ups tax lic fess =$100,000
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 yup. And people will gladly spend 50% of their post tax income on payments pushed out to 7 years.
Nah, I doubt it bothers Toyota one bit.
Toyota is starting to get expensive for what they are and offer.
@@Userxxx840 like for real you're well into used LX territory for what this is
I saw one of these on the road for the first time last week. Glad you could get your hands on one. Won’t be buying one but it looked cool and went to your channel today and you’ve got a video out on it. Don’t think these will see much off roading. Maybe some enthusiasts. But the one I saw was being piloted around in a strip mall by some mom probably on her way to a massage envy
Perfect for getting me to trader joes
That squirrel at 8:11……. Very fortunate
Great review! I almost went with one, but the back space is ridiculous with the step, and I don't trust the motor. Should've built it a few years ago with the V8.
There’s always the older bubbly sequoia
@@dawsongranger4940 that wasn’t my point, I mean same body style with v8, and you’d get more takers.
@@van_dutch 5.7 for life!
@@smiththers2yup! I’ve got a ‘21 Tundra, and no way gonna let it go. Wanted a Sequoia but not this one…price is ridiculous as well. A reliable Yukon is at same price point.
@@van_dutchYou said “reliable Yukon”… oohhkaaay! 👌🏼😂
Garbage interior storage, smaller cargo space with 3rd row up compared to domestics, not flat folding overall cargo area, and an unproven complicated powertrain. Way to go Toyota.
STFU you can’t even afford it much less drive one
I noticed in the videos as you and jack stop at aT intersection...it seems to a busy fast two lane road... glad the cars...SUVs have good quick up in power.
I just want to say, that I would NOT be buying ANY used/new car unless it was reviewed by the SavageGeese. No other channel does such a through job !
SavageGeese reviews Nissans...
I rented a Nissan Versa with 5mi on the clock, brand new... it was such a POS even when new@@adam145
@onehandwashestheotherand Doug DeMuro says THISSS
I find it amazing how far Falken has come from a garage startup a few decades ago to OEMing tires for the largest auto manufacture in the world.
I like your close out music, has a sort of pulp fiction vibe to it.
Just rolled 800 miles on my wifes 24 sequoia. Flat floor doesnt matter to me since rear seats are always up. Auto start from keyfob is a joke. Cooled seats are way to loud but other than that it great so far. 100k 10yr warranty so nothing to worry about for a while
I off-road quite a bit here in Alaska, and I have been looking at the Sequoia TRD Pro since it first redesigned. The only thing that kept me from buying one is the non flat fold down third row because I want to utilize that for winter camping if it get too cold to sleep outside sometime.
Check out Goose Gear’s solution.
My gf bought her 2014 hybrid Avalon new and has put almost 300k on it and so far no battery issues 🤞
That's Toyota.
@@WallsCastroexcept putting-small-turbo-engines-in-big-cars Toyota, which is them now. We may have entered the planned obsolescence era of the cars industry.
Honda Pro Jason and Jack nail another non Honda brand review! 🎉
My '02 Sequoia has both a flat load floor and removable 3rd row. Paying $60k+ for even the base model is not in the cards for me even if I wanted it. I'll happily throw another $5k into the old one so it can keep on rolling for another decade.
Can’t wait for you guys to review the 25 4 Runner
Now that one can spec the Tahoe Z71 with the 3 liter Duramax, that would be my choice for ladder on frame SUV. All the GM ladder on frame SUV’s can be had with the Duramax, even the Escalade. The torque and efficiency are top of class
This vehicle is intended for one market: The “I will never own a minivan and this off-road thing is totally cool” market. It’s a fancy kid hauler that will never see 1% of its life spent off-roading. But people will buy it, like it, and drive it while wearing mountain climbing shoes and rugged-looking designer clothes, wearing a carabiner on a lanyard around their necks when buying socks at REI.
add on the roof rack max traxs ,,awning and roof top tent
Spot on
Pretty much
Toyota knows this. That's why it's so bad off road. Go watch the Truck King review where it gets stuck in grass and it's terrible ground clearance deletes the front fascia. 😂
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 It's Thule or nothing. I don't recall ever seeing even a Yakima
Traded in my Mazda CX-90 for this! Payed cash and boy do I love it!!!!
Why is there an issue with "potential reliability"? Toyota has been making turbo cars for years. I'm old enough to remember all the down play and question reliability of hybrids back in the day, how did those comments work out?
Love it man 😊. I still love my 2008 Honda CRV & 2011 V12 Maybach. Maybe, one day I'll buy this cutie pie of a SUV.
Ah yes the 2023 Toyota Sequoia 15 Pro Max Ultra edition
That’ll do just fine, you can fit 7 furr suits in that bad boy!
Great review as always.
GMC Yukon Denali for me no questions lol.
What are the details of the Toyota service life durability? I can’t find any details online about how long a service life is…? Does anyone know how many miles/years/hours these are tested to last?
The battery in this will easily last a decade if not 15 years if you base it off of past Toyota hybrids.
Exactly. By the time the battery does need replaced, there will be 3rd party options like there is for the Prius and other models. Either rebuilt batteries or even lithium, but I’d stick to NiMH like is currently in them.
Unless you intend to keep the vehicle forever, that's something the second owner will have to worry about.
@@krane15 depends on who’s buying it. Most Seqouia, Land Cruiser (previous gen) and Lexus LX owners keep their vehicles a very long time. Either way, even as a 2nd owner I would be afraid of the hybrid battery, I’d rather be concerned with how it was maintained. Part of the issue with the earlier Prius’s engine was a lack of maintenance. People forget that they have to do coolant flushes and to not overextend the oil change intervals. I think we’ll see more engine related problems with plug-in hybrids since many people tout how long it’s been since the engine has even turned on. Some people with the RAV4 prime have gone over a year without the engine running, so they don’t change the oil since in their mind it has 0 miles.
The avg battery in other toyota hybrids last 8-10 years and replacement is around 7k avg
@@scott8238 fortunately the newest toyota hybrid warranty is 10 years / 150k which is promising
The serviceability & longterm reliability is what I want.
Which is why Ill be looking at used vehicles for a good deal on a used Naturally aspirated V8 Sequoia or V6 4Runner.
If it lasted 20yrs this wouldn't be an issue.. but we're talking 5-10yrs which is when we'll know how reliable this model is.
I’ve already had to replace a rear diff in one.
@droboyjr exactly and it's a damn new truck.
I'm worried the engine/trans won't be much diff
Now granted this wasn’t my personal vehicle. I work at a toyota dealership as a tech. The replacement was covered under warranty and supposedly it’s not all that common. Maybe a handful in the whole country I was told. But still.
The new toyota/Lexus products makes me very happy I bought a 22 GX V8. Gets the same mileage and will easily run more than 300K miles. No high strung Small twin turbo EV motor. Gx has plenty of smooth V-8 power for me, but I'm not a speed demon racing a heavy SUV around town.
Please explain more about the HURRICANE engine issues.
Perfect looking SUV
I'll take a Mazda CX-70. Don't need 3rd row seat and I wish Toyota would have given us a 2-row option and somewhat fix that screwed rear interior.
WRT to the rear storage area..."Still screwed up" and "the floor is not packaged all that well". Don't be kind. It's awful.
Just say that it's garbage. It's absolute trash. It was 100% a dealbreaker for me. Every other maker does it better, and by a large margin.
It's a great vehicle except for the 3rd row and rear storage. Makes it a non-starter for me to consider. If it had a flat floor like the LX600 or had more rear storage space with the 3rd row setup I might consider it but not with both negatives.
Thank you. I love your videos!
Awesome video as usual 🎉
Wow, may be a small thing to some but one thing that steered me away from the Sequoia TRD Pro was the beige headliner. I'm surprised they fixed that.
Can we get N/A, non-hybrid option?
Is SG MPG as measured, or dash indicated? My 5.7L Sequoia (wife driving kids around town) gets 16-17mpg measured. Isn't the new drivetrain supposed to get better mpg than the old?
Lots of cars ride rough now because they inflate the tires higher. This is give it better mpg for random CAFE tests when they buy a vehicle off a lot and test it. The tire inflation combined with the 22” wheels makes a very rough ride for what could be a great ride.
I hope to see you soon as well Jack. Maybe meet up for TRT?
Man this sequoia is pretty tough.
Giving my 6.0 ford a run for it’s money
Nice
Start /stop without a turbo timer doesn't sound like a great idea for longevity on all these new turbo engines.
turbo timers haven't mattered for 20+ years, most turbos since the 90's are water cooled and don't suffer from coking.
water cooled turbochargers don't need a turbo timer.
What was the ‘toyota source’ video for the engine tech and engineering?
what about in the snow? thank you
Have GMC that came with with Magnaride - rode great until the shocks failed at 60k and again at 100k and were leaking at 120k. Now have Fox shocks front and rear. No complaints. I like Toyota's choice.
6:15 im getting 14.8 MPG on my 07 sequoia in 30-55 degree weather.
And does it also produce 600lbs of torque?
@@trahar6257 you mean 583lbs of torque dummy? Nah, but my 2020 Gt500 produces 625lb of torque. Is this the best suv you can buy dummy? Nah, sit your ass down and stop acting like you are on the spectrum with talking about torque. I promise you my 07 will out live this TRD
All I want is 10 touchscreen TVs in the dash and fake exhaust noise piped into the speakers.
The only screen I pay attention to is the windscreen. But then I'm old, what do I know?
Anyone else have no idea what’s going on in the power graph at 1:44? HP = Torque at 1000 and 3500rpm?
Why are the panning engine bay shots so laggy?
king of reliability
I'm between the TRD PRO and the V8 Defender 130. I do off-road once a month for a weekend. I think the only thing that is going to make me choice the Defender is that the V8 is going to sound better after exhaust mods. Currently in a 2023 ESCALADE ESV which I hate almost everything about except the audio system and the way it sounds with the exhaust mods. I'm so torn in this decision!
If it’s body on frame, that apologizes for unusable trunk or small 3rd row. Maybe but not for the price Toyota charges with potential markups at the dealer. Consumers pay the total price which is hard to factor in to a review and pricing might change?
What a weird time. I’d honestly recommend getting one the of the GM versions over this. Even for reliability. GM has their issues but you can’t beat serviceability on an NA 5.3 or 6.2 over a hybrid tt v6. I’d more readily take the duramax too as they’ve had a few years to sort it out.
talk about a half baked engine. the tundra is suffering a lot because of this... they really need to get it figured out before id ever trust it to run 300k. im way too broke to afford one anyways, but i absolutely love my 2013 tundra.
AFM or Cylinder de-activation on GM Engines will not come close to beating the longevity of these Toyota hybrid setups… sorry. And diesel from anyone these days is going to come with sensor/regen/dpf/def headaches, so no, that won’t outshine a Toyota Hybrid setup either.
My wife prefers to have her boyfriend Paulo drive, so I end up in the 3rd row of one of these. It's really cramped due to the battery packaging and I'm starting to regret co-signing the 7 year loan on it for him.
Coming from a '23 Tundra which shares the drive train as well as the frame and many other interior and exterior parts, I was disappointed with the build quality of this new gen. Lots of cheap interior plastics, tons of annoying rattles, wind noise, and just loud interior for a $60k + vehicle. Real world MPGs are actually around 15-17. Suspension, even with rear coil springs, was a downgrade for this gen from the previous gen. It's a mix bag, but poor quality build as well as reliability of this turbo engine is what had me switch to a GMC 3.0 Duramax.
Toyota sells reliability more than they do any other positive trait. Sadly, their build quality and reliability isn’t any better than many many other (more competitive) brands. Sad consumers give up so much because of this marketing ‘push’.
I'm curious what would guys say in comparison with Range Rover Defender
The perfect vehicle to tackle mall parking lots. The majority of vehicles like this are bought for image over function and are relegated to being pavement queens...but hey.......it's all about the "image"
thoughts on this versus a new GX lexus?
is there a new 4runner coming still?
10:30 20 years is when I’ll be buying something like this! Refuse to take debt, so have an 04 Sequoia Limited that’s been rock solid and was cheap.
in 20 years i’ll more likely be buying a 2023 4runner….
Just serviced my 21 LC and noticed three sequoias on the lot of my dealership. Also noticed a sequoia Trd pro and two Tacoma Trd pros in the service area. I asked my service guy what his opinion was on the Sequoia, and he gently shook his head No. I asked why. He said the biggest problem with the Sequoia Trd pro was the seats. The exterior material and the padding within the seats Rub up against each other and squeak. For $80k he said that should not happen. Customers are not happy. Same deal with Tacoma TRD pro seats as well. He recommended I stay with the Japanese build and wait for the North American build to catch up if ever.
Before I even watch, the Sequoia TRD Pro is my adult dream vehicle...
...with the NA V8.
So...used.
After the video...
...nope. Still want that NA V8 that will outlast almost any other engine out there by a hundred thousand miles.
Why are the full size body on frame SUV's 10-20K more expensive than their crew cab 1/2 pickup counterparts?
4runner TRD PRO to sequoia trd pro is $25 k price difference
I'm talking about Sequoia vs Tundra prices, or Expedition vs F-150, or 1500 vs Suburban, etc.