2023 Toyota Sequoia | Stuck on Premium Road
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- We review the new 2023 Toyota Sequoia standard with the iForce Max Hybrid System. We work to determine if this is a legit replacement for the old V8 SUV. We discuss the pros and cons and all of the technical details and why the chase for Premium does not add up here. Would you choose this over the Ford Expedition, Jeep Wagoneer and, Chevy Suburban
#cars #toyota #truck
Index:
00:00 Interior and Exterior
3:02 Mechanical Impressions and Engineering
8:08 Driving Impressions
12:44 Final Thoughts 
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This channel is brutally honest and this is what separates them from every other auto review channel. They don't sound like they are paid by the manufacturer to make their videos positive. Thank you for creating awesome videos.
I appreciate that!
This type of video really earns its likes.
@@savagegeese Best reviews in the business! No BS straight to the point and you always tell us if it sucks.
guy on the left just hating the fact that the white men are in decline in this country.
@@akathetruthteller Thats why I only buy white trucks.
It's wild how much more honest this review sounds vs so many other youtubers. Thanks as always for the candor!
Funny how things work out when the video creators aren't corporate shills.
Who are some creators that weren’t honest on this car?
@@dhruvb38 It's not so much about dishonesty as it is about just giving way too much praise for basic updates that competitors have had for years.
It seems small, but honestly the 3rd row not folding down flat is 100% a deal-breaker.
Expedition has motorized 3rd row....at first I thought this was lazy....now wouldn't go back to manual
And I think in that one segment where they showed the hybrid system, the battery pack seemed like it's where 3rd row is
It's kind shocking you can't easily remove them to get to a flat floor... what a weird choice they made....
I would like to see more on this... I just took my 2012 sequoia and wife and 2 kids on a weekend trip, where we had 4 cary-on sized suitcases, and on the 2012 it does fold flat and the suitcases were so far forward that it was a pain to get them out. having the seat there would keep them closer to the back and easier to retrieve.
@@cloudyview It is bizarre. The seats can't lay flat as they went from an independent rear suspension to a solid rear axel. That's most likely why it rides so rough.
I was really planning on buying this… After hearing Mark’s driving impressions I am certainly not anymore. I was willing to living with the weird cargo floor but the suspension tuning being so bad is a deal breaker. I really appreciate Mark and Jack’s honesty!
I would definitely still drive one, just in case.
@@2wheelcobra different trims as well. It's not just the shocks, or spring rates, or air ride, or wheel/sidewall size.... It's how it all plays together.
Get an aftermarket suspension
Get a Honda SUV. Reliable and tough.
You should give one a test drive. Mark is known for hating the Sequoia.
Mark's complete disinterest is hilarious
To be fair it's also grating. Like we get it. They hate SUVs. Car guys generally do. But some car guys have families and those families are doing activities and sports and road trips. So these cars do have a purpose.
Third row is a deal killer for me. I bought a 2016 sequoia two years ago and absolutely love it. Ya it has a school bus interior but it's durable and easy to keep clean with having 3 kids under 6. But having the ability to fold the 3rd row flat is huge for me because I'm able to stick full size appliances in there no problem (own a few rentals so I do this fairly frequently). Plus the roll down rear window is incredibly functional as I can fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood or drywall through the window and run it across the top of the child seats in the second row, so it kind of allows it to function like a truck. Hell I even picked up a 10 foot dining room table and stuck it through the rear window. Having the ability to haul that stuff without having to take out all 3 child seats is so awesome it can't be ignored. However with this 3rd Gen, they got rid of the fold flat 3rd row and roll down rear window and for me personally, thats a huge loss of functional capability for the things I need it for. That being said, I will never sell my second gen, I'm more than happy to hold onto it until the sun crashes into the earth 😂
Absolutely agree. That 3rd row is is atrocious! Can't believe they screwed that up so bad. Hard pass!
Enjoyed every minute. This is what a car review should be. Too many so-called "reviews" are just advertisements.
I’ve been able to drive both the iFM Tundra and Sequoia and ended up ordering a TRD Pro that I’ll hopefully see sometime soon. The Tundra rode well but the Sequoia felt genuinely broken. I’m glad to know I’m not the only person who felt like this truck rode like garbage.
Can you elaborate? What do you mean exactly by rode like garbage.
@@mohdyemenI drove one, it just doesn’t feel like they built it all the way if that makes sense. It crashes over bumps and feels like driving a 20 year old 4Runner or something.
@@davewilson7602 Wow! What a disaster, yet they can't make them fast enough for $70k plus. So many real dumb Toyota fans.
@@mohdyemen As the video clearly states; the ride quality feels very poor for the price on offer. The low frequency vibrations just ruin any sense of reasonable comfort compared to the things this $80,000 vehicle competes with. The Tundra does not feel this way.
@@mohdyemen did you watch the video? Lol
Brutal honesty is appreciated.
Imagine spending $80k on an SUV and getting mass transit seating 💀
Thanks for keeping it real. You guys are the best in the biz.
You guys never fail to impress! Always love your videos. Well done!
The problem with Toyota is they wait much too long between updates, so when they do release a product, it has to be great...and this clearly isn't. The long update cycle allows the competition to set the terms and nature of the marketplace.
That's a strength in some regards. Its worked for Toyota with the Landcruiser.
Long update cycles are great, unless you're an "early adaptor" type who must have the latest version of things. Toyota could leave the current 4Runner unchanged for another 15 years and they'd likely sell more. Toyota's problem is that bean counters in Japan make the decisions and not the Engineers and designers here- no matter what they say.
*No recovery hook on the new Tundra
*Drum brakes on the Tacoma
*A stupid amount of models to chose from (SR,SR5,Limited, Platinum, PRO etc.) , Toyota, pick three and be done with it.
*Teeny tiny little 2.4 turbo motor in everything.
Mark is now just Turbowski in newer videos lol
That's the Turbowski curse for ya.
Go back and watch some of those old videos… Turbowski is super annoying and almost useless. Not so with Mark.
@@yayinternets annoying? snoflake moment
I think Mark nailed it on the reliability being a big unknown. We bought a Lexus GX last year and the biggest factor over another large SUV was the reliability. When we watched the GX review and Jack said you could pass it on to your grandkids grandkids I was totally sold. That being said, it did not have the ride quality of the Expedition, Pilot, or handful of other models we cross shopped.
I have the GX it’s been through it with me. Zero issues with the vehicle will likely get a newer one
Only thing about the gx is the old outdated motor. I know it will last a lifetime but if you gonna get another one why buy that. They just put car play in it. I’m glad they finally upgraded the powertrain in the sequoia. I had a 2020 gx and traded it for a Q7 audi. Better fuel economy more power. I will most likely get another gx when they change the powertrain but after driving this q7 idk.
Is keeping a car
25 years still very desirable these days?
@@RUclipsuser1aa for some people, yes. Especially those who understand the slow decay of craftsmanship/quality that is taking place in manufacturing all over the world due to government regulation and cost-cutting.
@@RUclipsuser1aa Who knows, we will probably get tired of it at some point but reliability was our most desirable feature. Up until this point my wife and I have driven pretty old and beat up vehicles so we never really had a chance to keep long term.
Sat in a Tundra recently, and the interior quality felt incredible chincy. Cheap-feeling plastics and rickety center console. I’m a 4Runner owner, and when purchasing, I overlooked it’s lack of tech and efficiency in large part due to the reliability. The government standards that are forcing the automakers into these incredibly complex power trains have me thinking of trading for a new 4Runner before they make the model change. Had the Tundra kept the V8 but gotten an updated transmission, I would have been in the market. But all feedback says the drivetrains have been made infinitely more complex, with minimal efficiency gains. At this point, I would probably choose the Titan for a full-size truck. It’s the most Toyota-like option at this point for those not wanting to brave Big Three reliability. For a large SUV, I’d probably be looking for a lightly-used prior-gen Sequoia.
I sat in a Tundra at the NY Auto Show and felt the exact same way. Ford, GM and Ram all felt lightyears ahead of Toyota's Tundra in quality. I was blown away at how cheap everything felt in the Tundra. It looks ok when you first get in, but really looking up close and feeling the material, I can't believe they're asking as much as they are for the products with how awful it is comparative to the competition. The only people who would buy one are Toyota Loyalists. Nobody in their right mind would spend the kind of money for these trucks over the competition. Even from the reliability standpoint, Toyota had a bunch of problems at launch with bad turbos. Who knows what else will go wrong down the road, especially with the introduction of the Hybrid system.
@@CU08 I sat in one at that same show. I generally think that car show abuse is a good test for long-term durability of the construction and materials. I was not impressed with how it was holding up!
I checked out a new tundra and thought the same. The door rattled and the interior felt incredibly cheap. Plus the weirdest thing was it had zero new car smell. I think something was up with the materials they used and probably all COVID related
Current 4Runner owner as well, and I completely agree with the interior build and stuff. I'm ok with the drivetrain. Toyota has plenty of experience now with hybrid systems. The biggest deal breaker is just usability and value for money.
If you remember on a competing RUclips channel one of the lead engineers for Tundra said, they were forced by Japan to use fully boxed frame. He said, he wanted to use "C" channel frame. He felt the fully boxed frame was too stiff. I think this is one of the reason for the poor ride quality. Again, Toyota trying to have one system work for multiple products. It seems they have failed.
The stiffer the frame the easier it is to tune the suspension. You do not want the frame to be less stiff
Good point. My 2023 Tundra rides way rougher than my 2018 did
@@YZJB Exactly. If their engineers can't tune the ride better with a stiffer frame, they aren't qualified to be engineers. Period.
These guys are straight to the punch. I was contemplating of purchasing a new Sequoia. But, as of now no. I purchased a 2022 Hyundai Palisade Calligraphy edition because of these guys. No regrets. Thumps up to their observations.
They’ve had plenty to say about Hyundai/Kia’s recent reliability problems too. But I guess you conveniently overlooked that. We buy what we like bottom line.
There are recent reports of Hyundai denying warranty claims with no user error. Get your warranty clarified by the dealer and stand your ground if they try to not honour it.
@@Josh-cw8by I knew people that had trouble with Hyundai honoring the warranty as far back as 2006.. They had a lot of trouble with the V6 and 4-cylinder engines and they were denying warranty and saying it was the owner's fault
Who cross-shops a Sequoia and a Palisade? It sounds like you didn’t know what you want/didn’t know what you’re doing.
Love the honesty of these reviews. You guys are the best. Don’t change.
I really love those honest review. It is really usefull when you shop for a new car to have the most honest you can get, and this channel shine at this ! Thank for you good job !
I (my wife) have a previous gen Sequoia, absolutely love that beast. This isn't better, but it sure looks like it may be appealing in the future when there's more and more less appealing vehicles. It's like a slow race to the bottom.
there's plenty of room to fit your wifes boyfriends in the front!
The previous gen Sequoias looked a lot better on the outside- the new front end proportions (elongated) and tiny headlights are very unattractive. That said, the interior on the new gen is obviously light years ahead, setting aside a handful of cheap materials (which the old gen was full of anyway).
We have a 2018 platinum and absolutely love it. It’s rock solid and the adjustable suspension really helps the ride. I’m gonna be using that thing until the block cracks open.
Indeed. Very sad for automobile future
@@sly9263 i feel like there are aftermarket interior solutions that would be worth throwing in the older ones instead of taking the downgrade on everything else
I have been waiting for this review. Glad you guys did this one. I was about to get a Capstone in black... Well, glad I saw this review before ordering one. I was looking for an actual unbiased review, and this is it! Thanks a million for your work!
Why not just test drive to also form your own opinion on top of this?
You shouldn't be taking one person's view as the only source of information. You should be test driving and coming to your conclusion if this fits your lifestyle/comfort.
@@wiseoracle if I’m gonna use someone else’s opinion on vehicles, it’s definitely gonna be from these vatos locos at savagegeese. No lies here.
@@milagosthomas9141 You must be working for Toyota, I see you trying to convince everyone to go test drive it.
Save yourself the headache. I went from 2018 Tundra to a 2023 Tundra and regret that decision. Lot's of build quality issuies. Interior plastics rattle, wind noise from the front door seals, software issues, carplay does not work consistently. I also had climate control issues.
I love the honesty on this channel. It takes a lot to put out content that's honest to the bone. Great work guys!! Thank you for doing what you do and putting out original honest content. It really sets you apart from the herd.
Amazing review. Honest thoughts and considerations. I appreciated that a lot.
They should have an optional "Merica Edition" with a supercharged V10 and a 2" lift.
Good critical review. Uncomfortable seats are unacceptable in 2022. Nissan has figured this out as has Hyundai. Wtf Toyota?
I was interested in a Tacoma. Sat in one for and tried to adjust the seat to get comfortable. Gave up after 5 minutes of playing around. Scratched it off the list.
Simply the best Chanel in USA. Thank you for the honest review.
When I test drove the Tundra TRD Pro, the first thing I noticed were the rock-hard seats.
I’ve always been a fan of the Sequoia. I feel imposing on the road looking down upon everyone else, and I can fit all of my wife’s children thanks to the three rows.
Wife's children? Lol wtf
I can fit all three of my wives and half of my children.
@@Dansk55 it's part of internet culture. it's a way of calling someone a cuck. But then it's also been adopted (jokingly) by Mark. So people do the same.
cucks keep cuckin
Don't forget your wife's boyfriend!
Thanks for the honesty on ride quality. I test drove a sequoia limited and a GMC Yukon slt. And to my surprise GMC ride was way better. 3rd row on Yukon was decent size for adults.
Finally, the review I've been waiting for.
Man I was waiting for this review for quite some time now. Thank you! Although I got impatient and bought Wagoneer Series 3, after watching this, I will cancel my pre-order on Capstone too!!
Type R hoodie goes hard.
Sick
So safe to say Mark is not a fan lol
Thanks for pointing out what’s not good with this new iteration of the Sequoia. We were all mesmerized with the durability and reliability of Toyota products, thus overlooking the many shortcomings mentioned in this review.
I bought a 2022 Tundra Limited TRD Off Road Non-hybrid. I love the truck overall and have had zero problems after 5K mi. I do agree that the ride does leave something to be desired compared to the competition but I really believe that this powertrain will be reliable as it will be used by Toyota in so many products going forward. One minor gripe for me is the 10 speed trans. I will be bringing it in for a 5K service here soon and I want to discuss the shifting with them. I also have a 2020 Highlander and that 8 speed trans is absolutely perfect and one of the best auto transmissions I have ever driven. I hope they can get that 10 speed to be as good with some software tweaks. Plus, 10 gears is just way too many. 8 is enough especially when you have such a nice flat torque curve with the twin turbos. Thing is searching around for "optimal" gears way too much.
Great videos you guys. You really are the best, most honest car reviewers out there with impeccable video and editing quality!
"Until the sun crashes into the earth" Dude you had me rollin' and so true...
At that point a lot of people are gonna bring their Toyota to the dealer and complain about overheating issues.
As if the twin turbo wasn’t enough to worry about, you also have to worry about a hybrid going out too. Give me a V8 any day for simplicity and reliability!!
Thought it was just me with the seats being so hard!! Thanks for the review!
I appreciate the honest review
As a tundra owner, I always feel that the sequoia is an somewhat awkward product with its high price tag. Last gen’s proven reliability justified the price for a little bit, but everything else was severely behind its competitors at the price. Now with the current gen and unproven long term reliability, I have a really hard time trying to be interested into buying it. Between all the premium three rows you can’t say sequoia is leading the game in any way. While Tundra became more relevant and competitive with the new gen, I think sequoia will still struggle to be mainstream competitive with what it offers.
Toyota is honest with your money. They sell you reliability and we can’t be grateful. Not only reliable but saves you money in repair.
Try Germany cars and get all your desires goes for but even their cars depreciates so badly.
@@boxoffisa As a current toyota owner. One thing you gotta remember about toyota's reliability is their tech changes at a very slow rate on many aspects. Every toyota model had its fair share of issues just like everything else when debut. Look back at early Tundra days, tacomas, even 4 runners all had their issues. Some of them were also rather extreme with big repair bills. What allowed Toyota to be generally reliable is they stay with the same thing for a long long time, and fix every issue that popped up along the way. For today's Tacoma and 4runners, sure thing I am almost 100% sure there is nothing to go wrong. But they are also ancient, and lacking on so many aspects. If you look at the new Tundra, it has quite a bit of issues, just like the 2nd gen when it debuted.
Maybe in 5 years, when the new Tundra and Sequoia fixes most of their problems, and proved their toyota reliabilities, the price tag makes sense. Until then, not so much. You have so many choices that do things better than them, that also offers almost the same level of confidence (some thing can and will go wrong).
@@boxoffisa No. That is not what they are selling here at all. They are not being honest either.
We are talking Toyota here. If anyone can make that more complicated motor reliable it is them. They've earned the benefit of the doubt over the past 50 years.
Guess what? it’s time to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt. Toyota is no longer relevant
@@naveenthemachine Why? Because you say so? Point me to an objective reason. You can't.
@@trevorsutherland5263 their reliability is no longer what it used to be. This is an over complex powertrain with a complex transmission
If you took out the Toyota logo you’d think it’ll be unreliable long term. But stick a Toyota logo on it and it’s suddenly bulletproof and instantly reliable?
Not to mention that Toyotas no longer competitive in the industry. Not a single category are they top of the class. None
Admire your honesty....good job
wow, you are filming it in the shop. wow. this is quality content. boys want to see front and rear differential!
Really surprised about the ride quality on Sequoia -- I literally just bought a Highlander Hybrid two days ago and it rides as smooth as a charter bus!
Unibody vs. body on frame. I really don’t think there is a market for body on frame 3 rows, 95% would be better served by a Uni body vehicle. 🤷🏻♂️
Your Highlander has independent suspension front and rear . The Sequoia lost its IRS with the redesign. Every domestic competitor has a more refined IRS.
Truck vs. lifted car
I always appreciate the objectivity. Also, these Capstone models should be front runners in the ugliest stock wheels of the year award
Those and the refreshed Altima SL
I think if they just changed the color, and made them darker, they’d look really good!
I don't know, Honda is trying hard for that title.
Thanks for the honest review. I was so looking forward to this SUV, but it just got too many misses to justify the big purchase price
AFAIK, the Sequoia was brought back last minute and slapped together. So being cobbled together on a truck platform that was supposed to be released in 2019, it's no surprise this thing lacks in comparison to others.
Too bad the rear window no longer rolls down (It was one of the last SUV's with it). That was a major benefit when having a dog in the cargo area.
The top trim Lexus variant (LX 600 Ultra Luxury) MSRP is $129,250 while the top trim Sequoia Capstone MSRP is $75,300......that's a price delta of $53,950. Quite a chunk of change for nicer suspension, seats, etc. I agree other brands in this segment have caught up in terms of refinement, ride, and capability and can do so without going into 6-figures.
yeah but a more realistic comparison is the Sequoia Capstone $75k vs a premium LX at $97k. If you can afford $75k then you can probably afford the extra 20 grand to make it actual luxury (relatively speaking). No one is buying the ultra luxury LX because it's added features at that trim level is to chauffer people around- that's for the middle east market and the price increase has a TERRIBLE value proposition for what you actually gain in $32k over the premium. The navigator and escalade are both markedly larger and superior for a chauffeur experience. The LX is on the lowest end scale of what's considered a "full-size" SUV and in fact many midsize SUVs have the same or larger backseat... also the LX lacks massaging seats and some other basic features available on vehicles half it's price. Offroading prowess aside, Toyota/Lexus has been and continues to be behind in the fullsize SUV segment.
The quality difference is huge. Interior ticks, rattles, squeaks and cheap plastics are more or less a rarity with Lexus. But now it seems to be a norm with most 2018+ Toyota models I've owned.
I'd go for a cheaper Lexus model or trim any day. Worth every penny as they are still cheaper and much more reliable than most European competitors.
@@sly9263 No the comparison is BMW X7.
@@price9195 we're talking Lexus vs Toyota products based on the OP. No one with experience gives a rats ass about that oil burning B58 POS in the X7 that BMW still can't reliably manufacture valveseal tolerances on. A whole lot of those B58s are burning a quart of oil every 700-1000 miles and score the cylinders- hard pass- exactly why certain people want nothing to do with BMW.
@@sly9263 that's scary, thx for sharing.
Thanks for the review
As an FK8 owner seeing you wear that sweater at the end, you get a thumb's up!
My wife drives a 2010 Sequoia and has put 245,000+ miles on it. It has been pretty flawless. I've been looking at the new Sequoia prices are absolutely nuts! When you cross shop this the Lexus GX460 is much more reasonable. It is smaller but available new at $60K. The next range is to look at LX which is doable with about 40K of miles. Same goes for the Land Cruiser. The new Sequoia is just too expensive.
The lx and cruiser 2016+ would both be nicer vehicles honestly
Another great video, thanks and thank you for being one of the few honest and objective channels. I'm a huge Toyota fan but I do feel like Toyota is lagging behind and it's a shame because I've owned some amazing Toyota's, the dealership near me is 2nd to none but I feel like Toyota is lagging behind the competition these days.
They are lagging and they will continue to do so. Their future products like the grand highlander have already fallen behind the Koreans and we haven’t even seen it yet
Give it time. In a few years toyota will go out of business because they can’t compete. Toyotas the new infiniti. Sad but true
@@naveenthemachine They’re the largest carmaker in the entire world. If they go out of business that means the Earth exploded
@@naveenthemachine I was agreeing with you up until you faceplanted with that "in a few years Toyota will go out of business" nonsense. They are the largest car manufacturer in the world and highly profitable for a reason. Name 5 other brands that haven't gone bankrupt that are anywhere near their scale- I'll wait. Anyway, they need to innovate more for sure, and while they are behind, they'll still sell out and trickle out the features they should have had at launch with subsequent yearly model updates. Just to be clear btw, the Koreans still cheap out on the mechanical parts, bigtime.
In the interior review part by Mark, I didn’t see the air ride button. Maybe I missed it.
Ride will always be hard with car riding on 22s.
Toyotas manufactured in North America generally have hard seats too. Great review as always.
I love to the point honesty!!!!
SG, would you do a video on the ever higher hood lines and ever larger grills on pick up trucks and their SUV relatives? I’m just wondering when hood-mounted mirrors will be back to address the frontal blind spots these oversized front ends are creating.
We call them front camera's nowadays, in combination with parking sensors. 🤔. Why do people need this kind of enormous vehicles to haul one or two kids and a stroller in?
@@JJVernig Yeah, cameras and parking sensors help when trying to moor these land ships. However, when you are moving at 70 mph on a highway and there's car/motorcycle in the front-right corner that's hidden by the ginormous hood and you move into the right lane... Parking sensors don't work at highway speeds. Not sure about all front camera. Mine shuts off at 13 mph.
No kidding, it's also with ute/truck beds as well. I can remember when we had car-based utes, where the load floor was 2-3 ft off the ground and you didn't need to open the back to get something in or out of it. Now it's pushing 6ft; I'm 6'4" and the side load height is at my eye level, how am I supposed to sling a bag of concrete in and out of there?
@@Love2Cruise my cameras shut off at 7mph but the blind spot sensors work suprisingly well. same for pedestrian detection. IIHS has videos showing tests of those systems.
@@deanchur you go to a suspension shop and get it lowered. 2 inches front and back is a huge improvement, some models you might even manage 4
Great video and I respect your opinion. This is bad news for me. I’ve been waiting for this vehicle for about 3 years now. My plans were to keep my LX470 and turn it into an overlander and use this as a daily for the Wife/Kids.
Much of what your saying about the crashy ride and firm seats is subjective…but probably accurate in my case since I’m a lifelong car guy and would pickup on those things. I was thinking about a full order of a TRD pro In magnetic gray but now I’m wondering if I should look elsewhere. I’m a huge Toyota/Lexus fan…and I was counting on this as my next “decade” vehicle.
Can anyone get me a video of the standard suspension rig vs the TRD PRO suspension to see if that solves some of the ride/crashy feeling? My local Dealer(s) aren’t even allowing test drives of any Sequoia because they are all coming in as sold. I just want to drive a standard suspension vs a TRD pro suspension and make a choice.
I’m just not a fan of the America options in this class, so…ugh. First world problems…but come on Toyota.
Big fan of the looks on the Platinum and TRD Pro models
They are at the dealerships now. I drove one, the ride quality even (the demo was a platinum) is really rough for second row and back. My wife pretty much wanted to u turn and go back after the getting down and off the parking lot ramp. Despite all the other downsides, the 3rd row the truck space the shortened wheelbase for who knows why… the ride quality is really what kills it for us. This is a family vehicle, it has to ride well. I didn’t notice much when driving but I saw my wife got thrown left and right quite a few times.
Mark has to wear the Type R hoodie just to raise his T-levels back to normal after these SUV reviews. Well done on being objective!
Hell yeah brother, nothing gets my testosterone going more than some Japanese sport compacts
Ride quality on the previous generation TRD pro is great. It doesn't have gigantic wheels, it has balloon tires, and the fox dampers are great on road. I bet the IRS goes a long way in ride quality as well...
it's both funny and stupid how higher end trims generally result in oversized wheels that make the ride quality more shit...
@@sly9263 seems to be a disconnect between the design teams and the engineering teams as usual
@@sly9263 yup. low profile tires are worse in just about every possible way
I drove one with the adjustable air ride dampers and I thought it handled pretty well. Not as good as the previous gen TRD PRO but still good, probably better with a load in it or behind it. Powertrain is def better than last gen.
@@sly9263 Higher trims stay in the city that's why.
I see a couple of 2 or 3 generations old sequoia on the road around where I live and they look so nice. Wish I had the money back then.
This was very helpful, how do you compare this to the last gen lx570 2018? Due to more spare I want to get this but watching this video I have myself thinking if this is really a good choice anymore
Call me old fashioned, but i still like my '06 Limited. It is such a durable and reliable truck that is still simple and easy to work on if needed.
I wouldn’t call ya old fashioned; I’d just call you smart
My uncle bought a pre refresh Sequoia brand new. I remember how SMOOTH that thing was 🔥🔥🔥
if i was you id seriously look into having the interior redone and motor rebuilt (around 500k miles when that might be needed) before i get one of these. sure your gas mileage is probly painful, but its so much cheaper than 80k its gotta balance out. lol
I’m a Sequoia fan. But this is a truck they should’ve released six years ago. It feels left behind by the Tahoe/Yukon
In a year tops they’ll kill this the lx and tundra off
You guys are badass 🔥🔥🔥
I always appreciate the objectivity.
American Engineers can never cut their BS in a press video! 80k for a Toyota which doesn’t have a Land Cruiser badge is a watermelon size pill to swallow!!!
So because it's a Toyota you wouldn't spend $80,000 but you'll spend $80,000 on a Chevy or a fancy Chevy which is a GMC or a bougie GMC which is a Cadillac?.... Like I don't understand why the Asians got to be kept at a certain price point in Americans in the Germans can charge whatever the fuck they want and you goofy enough to buy it explain none of these big ass boats are perfect but they all overcharging so why Toyota can't charge $80,000...
@@jermainec2462 The design goal of most Asian products are delivering a product which costs half the amount of the reference product and performs almost the same. It’s just the statistics of last 100 years on earth. Leica>Nikon, Patek Philippe>Grand Seiko, Rolex>Seiko, MB>Toyota and so on.
I think it is absolutely idiotic to spend that much on GM/Ford products. They are very good fleet products and that’s where it ends.
This is no exception.
@@iamsabit1337 not everything in Asian culture is made to be efficient and affordable once Asians start doing shit custom and handcrafted that's when the price go up LOL
Looks like they did a pretty good job. However, it’s not nearly big enough to make up for what I’m lacking.
What did they do a good job at? Packaging? Ride? Inventing a nav system that requires a subscription and won't work offline?
I’m curious if just upgrading the springs and shocks if the ride would smoothen out
Ever so gradually Mark is slowly turning into Turbowski.
Did Turbowski get wacked by the mob?
Even that toyota engineer looked sad talking about this thing
Just spent over 800 miles in a friends 2020 Sequoia.. thing was awesome. Prices are loony on the 2024s.. but i still want to check one out.
As always.. thank you for your excellent product.
Does it come with the same 22 inch wheels that the tundra Capstone is equipped with?
If so, do you think that this may be the underlying issue?
For the life of me I do not understand why anybody would desire such a large wheel on a pick up truck or body on frame SUV.
Mark is dressed like an intern at a failing Silicon Valley Startup
I might as well at this point.
The Sequoia is like if the Land Cruiser went to college in the US and gained a lot of weight due to the standard American diet. In other words it's inferior to the 300-series LC in every way. It has a worse 4WD system, worse approach/break-over/departure angle, worse ground clearance, worse suspension travel etc. Yes this includes the TRD-pro Sequoia.
Land Cruiser that is more urban?
Just my thought, but I believe the next gen 4 Runner is going to be based on the same platform and be a much better than the Sequoia/equal off-roader than the Land Cruiser. Basically will be the “American” Land Cruiser. Just my predictions though.
But at least $20k cheaper
"Standard American diet"? Enlighten everyone as to what that diet is?
@@malcolmn.5222 Americans, as a whole, consume an excess number of calories, saturated fats, added sugars, and sodium. In other words excessive processed foods, large amount of soft drinks and eating bowls of sugar for breakfast (cereals). Or you can use google.
Been following savagegeese for sometime but this is my first comment. Appreciate the brutal honesty with your reviews. What baffles me is the getting of 'headaches' anytime you drove the 2023 Sequoia Capstone. Has other trims been driven to confirm ride quality? Other respected entities like jd power, consumer reports have mentioned the Capstone ride quality but to get a 'headache', that's extreme. Many reviewers have noted the 'decent' ride quality of the other 2023 sequoa trims which almost all acknowledge is better than the previous generation. Hopefully, toyota takes note to fix the ride quality. Personally, toyota is my preference and will wait a year or so to get one without any 'headache' ride issues.
I was looking forward to this suv but I got the 08 sequoia instead. That thing rocks and I'm glad I didn't hold my breath for this one
Twin turbo v6 hybrid.. Holy smokes this thing gonna be expensive to fix after the warranty 😂
the hybrid isnt so bad (highlander and prius have been around a while to prove that) but those turbos are going to SUCK when they go bad.
@@bradhaines3142 yeah dude ill always be driving an NA 4 banger/v6 as a daily. Dont have the money for turbos 😂
You guys tell it like it is, other reviewers have slurped this thing.
Thank you for being honest.
Thanks for making me feel a little better about my Certified LX570. I could have gotten one of these new for what I spent but I can drive that LX for hours with no headaches and the seats make it so the spouse groans when we need a loaner.
You bought a used LX for this much?
You can drive for however many hours it takes to get to the gas station at 12 MPG
@@RUclipsuser1aa Sadly they still cost 75k used. Even the last gen ones with close to 100k miles are going for ~50k. Bananas. I'm sure these Toyotas will all have 10-20k "dealer market adjustment" to brand new. But to answer the question yes, and they still sell for 75k-90k used for the 2016-2021 gen.
Your LX with the old proven V8 will outlast this overly-complicated twin-turbo hybrid turd by several magnitudes.
Toyota should introduce a 'Grand Sequoia' with a proper 3rd row and cargo area to match. They had at least 10 years to plan for the replacement, and yet ended up with this. Even from the initial reveal shots of the C and D-pillar, I could tell this was going to be pinched in the 3rd row. Which is why I had thought Toyota had plans for an 'XL' model.
They do have a confirmed Grand Highlander that should be filling that role, but I'm not so sure that it will have the cargo capacity quite like you're mentioning
@@aprtur It won't. Speaking of which, I hope they price it correctly considering the space occupied by the likes of the Telluride/Palisade, the upcoming Pilot and the Grand Cherokee L. It had better look more upscale than the Highlander since that is priced right along with the class-leading South Koreans ($50K top-end).
@@aprtur A stretched FWD crossover is not really "filling that role"
@@georgesnyder5337 an MPV for people who don't want to admit a minivan is the best solution? Sure, that's exactly what the Highlander is already doing
@@aprtur Cool story - but the comment stands. A stretched FWD crossover does not fill the same role as a full-sized SUV. BTW - most full sized SUVs offer more interior space than a minivan.
No excuse for hard uncomfortable seats.
A very fair review.
Thanks for letting us know about the seats. I was contemplating trading in my GX460 for a bigger suv.
My wife has a 2018 Ford expedition (3.5 eco). Basically the same thing minus the hybrid. I have a 2017 F150 3.5 eco (1st year of dual fuel injection, 10spd trans....same as new ones less electronic nannies). Hundreds of hours of research into those 2 vehicles purchases. Very happy 1 yr in.
yep- been sayin the same thing for a while. Ford started this over 10 years ago with the ecoboost and now Toyota's just now catching on... but with inferior hybrid mpg numbers for some reason
These giant infotainment screens on some of these newer cars - and this one in particular- look ungainly, out of place and just silly. It looks almost like an afterthought; like the design team realized at the last minute that they needed a ridiculously large screen in order to compare favorably to their competition.
Aside from the the quite informative and quality content that is going on for years and I highly appreciate it and all what conrtibutes to but Toyota kindly ship these products to the Middle East where you can sell them trouble free no matter how the price tag would be as they are already craving for them.
I kind of understand the lack of air ride, it is a reliability hit to include, and tends to fail relatively quickly and is expensive to repair. It doesn’t really fit the Toyota ethos. That being said, I’m sure it is technically possible to better tune the existing setup, and it’s a miss that it isn’t quite right this generation.
Either way, I appreciate the honesty of this review, it’s always tough to be critical (particularly when you know there are good people working on a project, as it seems there are here), but it is so important that you are to keep brands on their toes and consumers informed. This channel is the best.
That’s really a big oof. You do realize how many 2nd gen platinums have 300k on factory air bags? I have 263k on mine and the rear suspension is very healthy
Same power level as the V8, but it's now harder to work on!!!
When I heard you had Toyota engineers on the video I thought this was an infomercial. Luckily we got your real opinion of the Suv. Good job 👍
you must be new here
This isn't that type of channel
Thanks for the video. Is there one for suburban ?
Do the tundras/sequoia's ride better with the rear air suspension?
Telluride/ Palisade look like a bargain compared to this.
Will this reflect on the future 4runner? That's what I'm holding off on.
I’d buy the current gx. That’s the real gem
the problem with comparing to telluride'palisade is you also have to compare the reliabilty which they just dont have compared to the highlander.
which is what those actually compete with, this is far too much of a truck to be compared to mall haulers.
@@bradhaines3142 I 100% agree with you. But the average consumer won't know what a body on frame "off road truck" is. They just see a 3 row suv to haul there family in. And in terms of the 3rd row space. Seems the telluride/Palisade has as much room as this sequioa.
@@bradhaines3142 The data seems to indicate they are reliable - but agree on the highlander comment; that is the competitor.
I think Toyota totally left a large portion of customers priced out of this market, without a non-Hybrid SR-5 trim, this SUV is just too expensive to begin with even at it's lowest trim.
Wonder if Toyota would make the 3rd row removable during a mid-cycle refresh. With the battery pack underneath the seat would be uncomfortable anyways, and they decided to hurt storage space as well.
Love the brutal objectivity of this channel.
The large BOF SUV'S are something the big 3 do better than anyone else.
The most capable soccer mom SUV
not even