Truck Driver Just Got Fired For Going Off Duty While Being Loaded At The Shipper 😔 Is This Illegal 😵
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- Truck Driver Just Got Fired For Going Off Duty While Be Loaded At The Shipper 😔 Is This Illegal 😵
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My last company literally TOLD ME TO GO OFF DUTY waiting at a shipper/receiver to save my clock , I’m not loading the truck and I’m in the sleeper
I just send you a video someone is trying to scam me
_You have to remain on duty when you’re at work. Anything relating to the job is on duty, even when you leave the truck to give or get your paperwork you must be in on duty primarily, because if you should get hurt outside of your truck while in off duty you do not get Worker’s Comp. and because of that many companies had been sued many shipper receivers have been sued, many states had been sued_
The thing about staying on duty when in a dock is that if they take too long to unload. So the driver arrives with 4 hours left on the shift. If the dock takes up all that time, does the driver stay on duty into illegal ELD status? This is why they can legally go off duty or sleeper berth while docked. Just log your arrival and driving time and paperwork time. The waiting can be off duty. Otherwise these produce receivers have all the drivers illegal.
Looks like they were looking for a reason to fire him
Agreed
True… ELDs are such BS. It’s a reason to fire someone and also a money grab for DOT.. It’s pure communism!!!
maybe something hes not telling his wife lmao
Yup. If they like you a lot or like staring at your ass (the real reason she got employee of the month), they look for reasons to keep you around and sweep bad things under the rug. And if not, they look for reasons to give you the boot.
Or some power tripping little jackass in the office decided to show everyone how small his D is.
Tell your employer that you left the truck in the dock getting loaded. You decided to go to lunch. You are then off duty. However, it’s up to your company’s policy that gives them the upper hand. He has nothing to worry about when it comes to finding another job with another carrier. If this company is that picky then he doesn’t need to be driving for them anyway. Just my opinion!
That’s right, the company works for you
Companies are out of their minds
U right I hate when company give u the rules then try tell u how drive the truck them two things don’t go together
After 27 yrs it come to this ugh.companies not trusting their drivers and firing them over stupid shit.throw eld's out the window.time we take our industry back its not even a job anymore its a big damn daycare.fmcsa only requires a minimum of 5 mins on duty.so tell your company to get bent.
Exactly! Trucking companies are hurting for truckers right now! The trucker can find another trucking company to work for in no time!
For 8 years I was paid by the mile and not even all miles, zip code to zip code. Now I'm paid by the hour and I love it. I get paid for all my time with the truck. Talking to shipping/ receiving, getting fuel, lunch breaks, pick/drop trailers, waiting for loads and being un/loaded. I think if all company drivers were paid by the hour, we'd see better changes in the industry
Our company has drivers running freight runs and get paid by the hour. Our trips sheets have an estimated time to complete. If we beat it we're paid the stated amount. If we go over 15 minutes we right up the difference. Other companies can do this also. Our pay is $30/hr.
Yea but some companies won't pay the overtime pay
That's 14hrs per day or 24hrs per day for OTR drivers?!?
@@melissamcdonald1345 That's for the trip minus sleeper. Any delays at the shipper, receiver, traffic or fueling is paid at $29.50 an hour. Plus bonus for showing up for work on time and Christmas bonus we get a company pension. You get $40 per diem for sleeper berth. Other companies can pay like this too. Our drivers make $90,000 plus a year and home most nights after two years. Start out at $28/hr. No overtime, I can accept that because drivers would abuse it.
The company is MDI Merchants Distributors LLC, of Hickory, NC. We are a grocery distributor we also run freight.
I’m ya you think 30.00 an hour is good it’s not .
I run the miles and at end of the year I tally it out and I get around 50.00 an hour .
I did this quite a few times until someone from the company called and told me to stop, so I did. No punishment, just "you're not allowed to do that." Something tells me there was more going on than this though. They just used this as an excuse.
Yeah, my feelings exactly. This isn't a very fired worthy event. May have been some other actions going on prior to this. Just seems like an odd thing to get rid of a driver over.
After I check in and line up with the dock I go to sleeper until they finish unless I'm doing a driver assist never got any violations for that and I've been inspected about 10 times in the last about 15 months
I always go off duty when I’m getting unloaded or loaded. I’ll switch to yard move/loading or unloading. Back up to the dock and switch to off duty. Never had a problem.
@@a-a-ron4679 it really just depends on company policy. When they asked what I was doing when I was off-duty, I said, "usually playing video games, eating and lounging. Pretty much the opposite of being on-duty" and they couldn't really find any fault in my logic, so they didn't scold me, just told me to "stay on duty at the docks". Eventually we started getting paid $2.50 for every hour we sat at the dock, so everyone stayed on-duty after that. It's not much, but it adds up and is better than nothing. Anything over 6 hours goes to $15/hr, with full detention pay if we get stuck running out our clock.
@@truckerenoch8824 I hear you. My company is the complete opposite. They want us to go off duty at the dock.
Sounds like they were looking for a reason to fire him.
Nope he was hauling fuel which means while loading and unloading he would be required to be outside the vehicle within a certain amount of feet from the valves so he could prevent a spill. Thus would require him to be On-Duty Not Driving while performing this essential function.
My thoughts are why isn't the FMCSA defining this exactly. It is absolutely ridiculous that they leave so much gray area that opens drivers up to get ticketed and fined by different officers.
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To make more money off the trucking industry. Thats all its about
The law used to be log in duty entire time on dock loading or unloading even if sitting in truck doing nothing. But a few years ago law was changed where you only need to log 15 minutes to cover backing in and checking in, then your allowed to go off duty or sleeper. I don't remember what year it changed.
@@kliflord1527 "Grey" is the British English spelling, "gray" is the American English spelling. Both are acceptable and proper.
@@1stNoCleverName weird, I'm American & have never seen someone spell it gray unless it's a last name
Being on off duty while being loaded/unloaded is a standard practice. It's a bit of a don't ask don't tell situation.
Law changed a few years back making it legal
No its not
@@dominickjustave3558 Shut up, yes it is you bitch.
@@bobboy5508 exactly what I was thinking. I haul crude oil and we run 12hr shifts and have manually pump our oil on and off. Same goes for fuel haulers. Anytime they are getting loaded or unloaded they are to remain outside their vehicle and within a certain amount of feet from their valves as to prevent a spill. So they would be On-Duty during all of this.
Legally if you're not directly working on the unload or reload, then you're on break as off duty or sleeper berth. Tanker supervision is DEFINITELY ON DUTY
i go off duty all the time an haven't had a dot complain yet for 18 years .
I’m not the type of guy to ask these type of questions because I am an old-school outlaw but back at the driver at hand my guess would be they were just looking for an excuse to get rid of them for some reason just my two cents
As an ex Outlaw myself, the punishment doesn't fit the crime for sure.
In our day, you took that time,(if you weren't Flatbedding or counting freight), to rewrite your past to free up an unlimited Hammer future. 🤣
Times have sure changed. It's ashame.
Use sleeper birth when getting loaded, it's actually more functional than off duty because you can split hours that way if needed.
That's what I always do...
My company even tell me to switch to off duty and take my break while waiting to load or unload …..I’m confused now,how’s that illegal ?
Exactly it is not illegal. Last time I checked- CSA only requires 15 minutes for unloading/loading.
It is illegal
How do you make money if you got to stay on duty the whole time?
You have to cover your ass in case some moron backs into your truck!
i go off duty while loading/unloading never had problems.
My trainer taught me that I cannot be "off duty" at a shipper, but you can be in "sleeper berth". So I'm on duty until I hit a dock, then I'm in sleeper berth and chiling on the bed until the light turns green. That's how I do it. I've not had an issue from my company as of yet.
I agree 💯...... I was a trainer for 5 years and I taught my student the same thing.
What's the point? Genuinely seems like extra steps for the same result.
@@joshk.4470 “Off duty” means off the truck. At least that’s what I was taught.
That's good to know... I can catch a nap whilst the truck is (un)loaded
@@nathancernovich5509 Would make sense if that's the case.
This strictly depends on your involvement in the loading process, because technically you could be taking a lunch break while being loaded. You could be taking your 10 hour reset while the trailer is being loaded. What you cannot do is go into the shipper, hang out in the office, or collecting and or delivering BOL documents. You also cannot be the person unloading, loading, or watching the process of loading, because anything outside of the truck that isn't an act of leisure to the driver is technically work. This is also the number one reason many drivers get pissed off, because all of what was mentioned above is unpaid unless special circumstances are acknowledged by the company and or broker...
In the last inspection that I had in California 2 months ago, the DOT officer told me that it was ok to switch to OFF DUTY while waiting to be loaded or during loading, we were having a little debate about it, but that was his last verdict on that day.
I always went off duty while at the shipper or receiver. I was not touching the freight, but had to wait 2, 3 or 4 hours to get loaded or unloaded.
No reason to burn up the clock on duty while hanging around doing nothing.
Yeah but you're still responsible for the truck
@@18Rolling68 yeah, well you are responsible for the truck while on home time off duty, while on a 10 hour break off duty or sleeper, off duty while the truck is in the shop for repairs, etc. None of that is on duty.
Log it as the situation happens. Log on duty for a few minutes pulling the truck off of the dock, closing and sealing the doors, and sending macros and scanning the bills to the company, and a quick inspection.
Logging as it happened for me never got me a DOT or company safety violation.
Great point Thanks
My belief, from what told by different safety personnel, is that you must be on duty for a minimum of 15 minutes, then you have the option of going off duty or not. Some shippers/receivers, take hours to load/unload. That time comes off your workweek 70. So then the driver may not get their other loads done in the week, because of wasted on duty time. I've been at shippers a few times long enough to get my 10 hr break, and then some. If you stay on duty, you could run out of daily hours, and LEGALLY wont be able to move, but you cant stay on property. It's a mess, and no quick fix in sight, except to go off duty, save your time.
Save up and buy your own truck you won't have to deal with these huge carriers you won't have to worry about getting fired
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we can't save up when they don't pay.
I always go off duty when I'm at a shipper or receiver
Nope
No on duty not driving Thats what I do
Exactly don’t waste your clock
U only need 5 minutes minimum on duty load unload. Lawsuit right there. I go off duty after I arrive and check in.
Ive been told by a mega carrier since ELD came out you only have to show on duty at a shipper or receiver during check in and once your backed into a door then after that you can go off duty. Before on paperlogs it was automatic 15min must be shown on your log...now it's just however long it takes to check in and back to a door. However different states like Oregon troopers can issue a ticket for ANY off duty time. They define it as you are never off duty when in a truck your only off duty when at home. Different companies different policies everyone must obey their company rules.
Not allowed to be off duty in your truck? I suppose you're not allowed to take a 34 hour reset in your truck either? Evil.
So how do you log the government mandated break?
Oregon is a communist country that is cash strapped too🤷♂️
That's dumb of Oregon that means you'll be out of hours every 3 days...... 😬😬😬😬
You need to take that to court!
You'll be out of hours in, what, 6 hours? No off duty lunch break, after all.
This is odd to say the least. I’ve always had the habit of showing a minimum of 30min On Duty for load time as soon as I hit the shipper. But, I will shift to off duty when they have me sitting and waiting. I’ve done that for 10yrs. For example, loading at a Gerdau (Flatbed Steel Load), you can expect to be sitting for up to 3hrs before they get you to a bay to be loaded. Actual loading may take 15min. But, your log will show 30min On Duty, from when you arrived and then Off Duty for 2hrs 45min. An as a habit, I’d tag a On Duty 5min after the Off Duty, to show an Inspection before Driving. Never had an issue. If you are not doing anything, why are you burning up your On Duty time? You’ll kill your 70hrs and risk having to run on Recap Hours. In fact this was the way the company I ran for expressed I should run my Log. It kept me with enough on duty and drive hours to run my week and got me home every weekend for my 34hr reset. So long as you show an adequate load time, I don’t see what the issue is.
That's exactly how I do it to brother. I don't waste my money hours sitting for hours on a load. 30 minutes on duty then to off duty for that 2-3 hrs then 15 minutes on duty load check and load securement check! 8/2 split a lot on that way! It must be a company thing.
This is how my company told me to do it
After some clown blocked the fuel lane for 40 minutes it completely messed up my trip into jersey, where I take my 10 hrs in the dock. I was working in a fairly tight window. During a casual conversation with my dispatcher, he told me to do exactly what you mentioned at all times. Why burn up your clock for no good reason at all?
No it's not illegal drivers do that all the time
It is
@@bigggincognitohammy6791 so working without pay is legal? Because that is exactly what is going on beign on duty for this bc they dont pay you for beign on duty
@@Montoya1991 trust me it shouldn’t be happening but according to the stupid law we have to be on duty so unfortunately yes it illegal as stupid as it is.
Paradox is that it’s easier to be a drug dealer big time than being ultimate hardworking American…I quit trucking 3 weeks already,just can’t stand bullshit and it’s just not worth it!Its beyond ridiculous and evil!Good luck to everyone who still fighting and God bless you!
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I've always done that and never got called out by Dot or the company. They probably just wanted a reason to get rid of him.
According to MAPCO's job search page for drivers two of the PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES: - Ensure the correct gallons and grades are safely loaded and delivered to the correct location. - Comply with all Department of Transportation (DOT) safety regulations, all loading facility rules, and applicable laws at all times, as well as the ML Energy Transportation Driver Manual. Sounds to like to do the first one you would have to be on duty. My guess, as others here, is that they were looking for a reason.
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I think you're right it's tanker you would pertty much have to be on duty until you finished dropping your load and a lot of those properties got cameras my guess is someone had an accident and some attorney recalled everything that driver did that day and he probably on off duty status and the camera showed otherwise and they want to make sure they won't be sued again like that this log shit is wacky
My company gets mad at me when I don't go off duty while waiting lmaooo bros working for the wrong people
Ok, so I manage a fleet... almost 20 years of experience. I have gone through quite a few audits and it is THIS damn simple... Driver arrives, driver goes ON DUTY for Unloading for around 15 minutes, then goes Off Duty while sitting at the dock... It is as simple as my driver does not get paid while he is sitting On Duty (shippers don't want to pay, but they will hold you for hours on end) and he is laying in his bed playing video games or sleeping... Therefore I CANNOT force them to be On Duty.
Any company that has their driver sit On Duty for hours on end at shippers will go bankrupt, it is just a matter of time...
15 minimum pre-trip, 15 loading, 15 unloading MINIMIUM 10 minutes fuel and or scale... Rest? Off Duty if you are doing nothing...
When I explained it that way, they did not tell me anything else about it... Its common sense.
I did an analysis for a driver who was dead set on being On Duty all of the time, we took a no bs rational look at his log... He had lost 3 months of driving time out of his entire year sitting "On Duty" and was often late to appointments due to lack of efficiency... He couldn't believe it... The Elog is already bad enough, we got to be as efficient as the law allows...
However I also do not tolerate any playing around with the logs and run 100% legal.
My .02 cents on it.
Your supposed to be paying attention to the load and weight distribution at the shippers, as well as destination & while unloading. Your only really "off duty" when your safe and nothing can happen around your rig.
As a reefer driver that is impossible. First you are not allowed in most warehouses and you would burn out your entire 70 in a few day's! You would go into violation every time.
@@mike-sk2li ok. Then go to a certified CAT scale & get an axle load reading. PRAY that you're not "1 axle heavy", because the teenagers loading your rig, don't understand the physics of loading. I drove flatbed for that exact reason. Was so tired of load rework. Because all the "heavy stuff" was put in first. 😡 Walmart , Amazon & Target were TERRIBLE to pick up at. Actually got a TILTED box once. All the heavy items were along 1 side? Why? Who the hell loaded this thing? 3 hours later, was good to go... 😰😱
To be honest, while waiting to be loaded/unloaded anything can happen that would require driver intervention. It's for that reason that we're "on duty not driving" during this period.
But what about all the reefer guys who sit at a dock overnight in the sleeper, in sleeper mode?
@@rockford2981 I have always thought that if you are in the sleeper you can go off duty. If you are in the sleeper while they are loading/unloading I'm not sure what the rule is.
If you stay on duty while docked you crazy. I stay on duty long enough to check in, whether that’s 3 min or 10 min. Second I back in it’s off duty. Company or DOT has never said a thing. If you really want to be a goody goody that loves to suck government dick, you can go back on duty if you really need to help the unloaders. But that rarely happens. I have done reefer and dry.
Exactly I’m always onduty not driving while getting loaded or unloaded learned a long time ago to protect myself because trucking companies don’t give a shit about you been driving since 1986
The day any company tells me I have to stay on duty while loading/unloading, they won’t need to fire me, I will hang up the phone right away and drive home. Put my truck for sale because that day it’s whe this is no more the NBA, will more likely be always broke my friend.
I was always told that if you are not responsible for counting the freight, touching the freight in any manner and you have been released to go back to your truck you can be off duty. If the shipper or receiver requires you to be in the building for any reason even if you are just waiting in a driver's lounge you must be on duty. I drove for 31 years and never got in trouble for being off duty sitting in my truck at a shipper or receiver. There's more to that driver's story or that company has shitty policies.
Yea this company is FOS!!! I have NEVER, for decades, logged more than 30 minutes for loading or offloading. Two years recently, I worked for one of the strictest companies around, strict to the point where you got called if your HOS went over anything. Nobody ever mentioned staying “on duty” the whole time!
My experience is it is up to the company. I was at a company where they wanted me to be off duty and one that wanted me to be in the sleeper berth. They shouldn't have fired them.
So if we spent on duty while waiting to be loaded or unloaded we would run out of hours in 3 to 4 days. Wrongful termination
Exactly and then how you supposed to use the split 2hr and 8hr sleeper berth? Since being on duty doesn't count to that split you have to be off duty or on sleeper
Facts.
@@IanonlyMwangi that's what I said. FMCSA says we have to mandatory 30 minute break in off duty, sleeper, or on duty. He would then be allowed to have another hour and half to be in off duty status to start into a split sleeper. Or he could do the 7/3 split sleeper berth as well. Some of these companies really don't know the ins and outs of ELDs and Logs like they say they do. What if the guy had recaps and needed to save time?
As a company driver going on for three years, I switch Off Duty all the time. I even use the Split Sleeper Berth feature often. I've never of a driver being fired for switching Off Duty...
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It’s simple to many drivers and not enough loads . Or they hired him at to high of pay Easy reason to let him go
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It is a tanker hazmat rule, you must attend your truck while loading or unloading. Therefor you cannot go off Duty
Get your own truck.
And what become a slave like you Wayne? Way better opportunity out there than slavery trucking
we can't afford it
Welp as long as you don’t try companies will keep playing games with you. This is the sole reason I fixed my credit and got a down payment for my own rig. These companies office people don’t drive a truck so they don’t see you as a human. They see you as a slave.
Once a shipper hooks to your trailer on the dock, it's the shipper's responsibility for the load so you can go off duty.
Not so. The responsability ONLY transfers AFTER the BOL is signed.
@@freakinrican2919 well if you haven't signed the bill and the shipper/consignee has taken possession of your trailer then you can go off duty.
@@jr3254 why don't you educate us and tell us what that green book says.
@@ricardotrevino2775 You are legally bound to your freight when delivering up until the contract is transferred via BOL. If you're at a receiver, then THEY are legally bound up until YOU sign the BOL. That's why is important to know when you can be off-duty because being off-duty separates the responsibility, as a driver, to the load and equipment.
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With this being fuel transport they are probably much more demanding of driver vigilance. Even empty the fumes from a tanker that held gasoline are flammable. Logging off duty means you have no work or expectation of work. They expect work, safeguarding the tanker.
That’s absolutely crazy…. I flatbed and have done van as well but I’ve always been told as long as you show around 30min unload time for DOT the rest you can go off duty so you can do a split or save on your 70hr clock…. But then again you said the key word, Hazmat…. I would believe it’s still ok because although off duty, the truck is still in your vision/presence…. Do you ever go into sleeper/off duty in a fuel tanker idk, haven’t done it ?!?!?
I would say it all depends on what you are hauling. All of us refer and dry box drivers don’t have to log anything because we typically aren’t loading or unloading, but when it comes to fuel I would guess that is a whole different ballgame because if something was to spill or say catch fire and you were “off duty” then I believe you and your whole company would be fucked. I don’t know for sure, but that would be my take on the situation.
Then it’s like when your hours are low, they want you to run on recap, and some even want you to edit your logs so you can run. These trucking companies are beyond horrible now. They push us to the max, then treat us like garbage. I just came back almost 4 months ago after being away for 5 yrs. I ask myself every single day why did I come back to this shyt. The trucking industry is horrible now.
Right now im working local and im either driving or on duty not driving all day. When i was going over the road I would be all day, either driving or off duty, it didn't matter if was being loaded or off loaded. And when I got pulled over at the scale for inspection they would never pay attention to that they only wanted to see if the E-logs would either say that I was or I was not in violation. That's all they wanted to know. So that company is too picky and I would never wanna work for them
In order to be off duty, the FMCSA says you cannot have any type of responsibility for the load or equipment. If you are off duty you should be able to leave the truck at will. Otherwise you should be on sleeper berth or on duty. In order to log sleeper birth you actually have to be in the sleeper. You can extend your sleeper by closing the windshield curtains. That's how I understand it.
When we went to ELD, I was told you had to be "on duty" during loading and unloading. If there was an exception, it had to come from the employer, and mine gave all the drivers a letter that gave the drivers permission to be "off duty" if they were not allowed on the docks, and had to wait in the cab.
You are indeed correct. My previous company gaves us letters saying it's okay to be off duty while in the truck, but my current company didn't provide me with such a letter and I'm required to be on duty while I'm doing anything with or around the truck
@@jr3254 No longer in the green book. If it was every required 30 minute break would be illegal because if you are loaded you are still responsible for the load...
@@jr3254 Not WRONG. If this is incorrect, the trucking company was wrong. I was following their direction, and their approval of not being responsible for the loading and unloading when not allowed on the dock.
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That makes no sense. I do that all the time to save my clock. I've never heard anything about this from any company I've worked for.
Let's talk about dispatchers that force you to go on a run that they know will cause you to run out of time before you can get back to base, and tell you it is not a problem because they will send someone to pick you up and take over your truck where ever you get stranded when you clock runs out for the day, should this not be illegal? Should a company be allowed to do this to you?
I've been driving for almost 27 years. I've always gone off duty while the shipper or receiver loaded or unloaded me. If I'm paid by the mile and required to be on duty while I'm just sitting there, then the company needs to pay me by the hour for the hours I'll lose driving if being on duty waiting for someone else to do their job is the company's policy.
I put my self off duty every time I'm being loaded or unloaded.
I do flatbed and I’ve had a red violation on my eld and passed a level one inspection in California. He was more worried about checking the truck out. In California again I had pc and adverse driving everyday. Dot said you like to drive! Yes… I didn’t get a violation but my company took my pc and adverse driving away for 3 days. Don’t get inspection while giving them attitude.
Keeps getting tougher. Only state I’m aware of where you have to be on duty or sleeper is Maine.
Unless I’m on the dock I’m not wasting hours on my clock.
I have the feeling there's more to the story,for something like this it sounds like theirs more to it.
Yeah, as a fuel hauler he was definitely breaking the law. You cannot offload fuel from a tanker and be on off duty status. Driver is ultimately responsible for safe unloading of any liquid from a tanker truck hazardous to otherwise.
I go on duty to check in until i bump the dock, then i switch to sleeper birth until i am loaded or unloaded. Its a good time to take a nap for me. When its time to pull off i go back on duty to close my doors and check out. Im dry van though, no idea on tanker stuff.
I always show 5 min check in time on duty then go off duty when being loaded!! I've been Dot inspected 3 times in the last two weeks and they checked my logs and all was good!!
Does Mapco even have sleepers? If you are in a day cab switching to sleeper would be an issue.
According to DOT YES You can take any time you want even if you are in your Truck. But company they have different policy. # 1 Reason to calculate detention during loading or unloading.
If you haul to the ports, Cali checks for and will write up for it when inside ports. So we use Yard move until backed in dock and shut truck off while taking nap at the dock.
I’ve done flatbed. When losing or unloading you must show at least 30 minutes of on duty time. I don’t know if that’s their rules or FMCSA rules. I’ve also done dry van/reefer. Was told not to be on duty while being loaded or unloaded as long as I was not performing physical work outside the truck. So that’s what I’ve done since changing from flatbed to dry van.
The law used to be log in duty entire time on dock loading or unloading even if sitting in truck doing nothing. But a few years ago law was changed where you only need to log 15 minutes to cover backing in and checking in, then your allowed to go off duty or sleeper. I don't remember what year it changed.
I need to know this answer because these shippers be running my clock out
I normally wait 45mins to an hour to stay on duty at a shipper or receiver.. after that i will switch off duty to save my 70
I was once told by the company dispatcher to go off duty while my truck was broke down. The company didn't have a signed off duty Authorization. I was driving local and went home every night. They didn't like it but knew their request was a violation.
Thats crazy. I use to do that all the time. Thats why i had to get my own.
I have always been told go off duty while your not doing anything. Especially if your just getting loaded and unloaded. When I ran refer, I would always loose out on hours for the week just waiting around in docks. The logs dept at my company schooled me one day on this. Been logging line 1 ever since
What is line 1? Lol
@4real775 off duty. It's a paper logs reference.
I go off duty at stoplights lol I also go into sleeperbirth while waiting to get loaded at my backhaul. My company doesn't care and actually wants us too so we can save our drive time because in doing so it helps assure that we'll make our delivery appointments
I was told and taught to always protect my hours especially dealing with long haul, of course with the exception of hazmat... I'm always in the sleep of berth prepared to do an 8-2 split of need be to get the most out of my time, especially because we don't get paid by the hour so the shipper and/or receiver tend to take their sweet time
That’s ridiculous when I arrive at the port or a shipper I usually stay on duty as I’m checking in and if I’m in line to get loaded or getting loaded I usually go off duty as sometimes I have to step away from the truck as they load my flatbed so I don’t see why it is a problem if you’re not driving or loading yourself
Off duty was for a 34 reset or home time or 10 hr break sometimes. At the shipper or receiver when I checked in was on duty, when I hit the dock it was sleeper berth then back on duty when I got the paperwork and sent in loaded or unloaded call. That was that particular company's policy.
When I ran fuel for a previous carrier, we were required to remain on duty while loading and unloading but if we were sitting idle for any reason such as waiting in line we could go off duty. Now that I run dry van, anytime I am being loaded or unloaded I go off duty and not once has my company called and reprimanded me for it.
Company policy does not trump law. My loyalty is to my cdl first and foremost. My company encourages drivers to go off duty, even during loading to extend the 70 hour clock. But that is illegal and I refuse to do it.
That's wild. If he goes for a walk while he's getting loaded then he's off duty. I'm flatbed, so I usually load for about 30 minutes and go take a 2 hour nap from the physical work. It's tiring. I do it every time.
So sad 😭
Companies are starving for drivers and they terminate someone over that stupid shit!!? Just walk into a different company Monday morning. 👌🏾
Thanks to the Government for all these confusion.
I haul a dairy tanker, once I'm in the bay I have nothing to do with load/unload till they tell me there done
17 years exp OVR. I’ve found that being off duty while loading and unloading is primarily based on company policy. Companies don’t need a reason to fire you where I live. (Alabama) understand your companies policies and procedures.
Now you Know Dam well your NOT suppose to do that Mr Mai..
I got my contract canceled last year for using personal conveyance,,
oh well, now I'm under my own authority 🤷♂️
when I get to a shipper/ receiver and they are unloading I ask how long before they are done, if over 30 mins, then I go in the trucks and eat and watch something to take my mind of driving and reset for the rest of the day. I am off duty eating and chilling.
About 9 years ago I ran for CREngland and if I put myself on on-duty for anything other the inspection or fuel they would automatically edit it off
He should have been coached. He didn't lie when asked, so he obviously didn't think he was doing wrong.
Line 3 for on- duty not driving. I believe that’s still the rule in part 395 FMCSR . Then after 2 hrs loading or unloading you should get detention time. If you have to , ask your dispatch about being compensated. And if you’re short on hrs. , don’t take a hot load, period. I did an auto load once after I’d been up 14 hrs . I had to request a relay because I couldn’t make it all the way. The company faulted me for poor performance , when they were responsible to call the receiver and they didn’t advise them. 16 hrs is the limit. After that you are legally intoxicated due to fatigue. Don’t let them push you.
I go into sleeper when I'm sitting at a dock because sometimes these places can take 7 to 8 hours to load or unload you if you stay on duty you're going to lose all your drive time
My company has 2 different off duty selections on our ELD... off duty break and off duty end of shift... they allow us to use off duty break while waiting to be loaded as long as we are not in the truck being loaded... if you are in the truck, it is supposed to be on duty not driving
I used to do it when I was told it was gonna be a while and was free to leave the premises on foot or go sleep in the sleeper. If they are going to contact me by phone to give me new instructions I consider myself off. If I have to stay in the truck in the driver's compartment or if in a day cab that's on duty.
I've been going on duty while checking in and backing into a door. Once I'm in the door and shut down I go off duty. I get paid by the mile not by the load so once I'm done moving the truck and have it secured as far as I'm concerned I'm off duty but I do go back on duty when I'm getting my paperwork and checking out.
Either or! No body should work for a company with such strict policies.
I drive Conestoga and once that curtain ges back and the straps off, I'm off.
Each company is different they pick and choose what they want you to do...
It amazes me that there is such a driver shortage supposedly and yet companys will fire you at a drop of a hat.
I always went off duty when either loading or unloading because I never did the loading or unloading. But I did show 15 minutes on line four just for receiving the paperwork for loading or unloading.
I know one shipper in Texas that when getting loaded, takes sometimes 8hrs to load....and I'm suppose to be in On Duty, Not Driving for that?? Especially when we're supposed to be in St Louis for an appt....I'd be late all the time!!
Let's put log books in state police cars and see how they can run!! Bet they'd cheat!!
I go off duty after I bump the dock all the time. Usually go for a walk or something. I can see it being a different story with hazmat though.
The policies of some companies only are good for their benefits and not the drivers.