Yeah let's discuss this Vader and Reva thing in Obi-Wan Kenobi

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
  • Vader let Reva live all through her life after joining the empire. She knew he was Anakin Skywalker, and Vader knew she knew this. This wouldn't fly. I don't think he would let her live this whole time.
    Join this channel to get access to perks:
    / @starwarstheory
    Continue the conversation on the Theory forums!
    starwarstheory...
    Become a Patron to support future content - / starwarstheory

Комментарии • 2,5 тыс.

  • @austinkoeppen6122
    @austinkoeppen6122 2 года назад +419

    I'm looking forward to the talented fans cutting this show into something movie length with only the Obi-Wan and Vader centric stuff.

    • @Konstantinos_Varakliotis
      @Konstantinos_Varakliotis 2 года назад +5

      And leia

    • @Podemeister
      @Podemeister 2 года назад +6

      Not sure that would work.

    • @Masterwikie
      @Masterwikie 2 года назад

      Oh, please no. Sadly it's the worst parts

    • @shadowdragon7347
      @shadowdragon7347 2 года назад

      that sounds hilarious

    • @TheRibottoStudios
      @TheRibottoStudios 2 года назад +6

      I'm pretty open to trying this myself to sharpen my editing skills. I have literally not really uploaded since COVID (turns out depression really sucks creativity out of you) but I wanna get back into it. I'm thinking of doing a series of "Let's rewrite" Kenobi, WITH the restrictions of what we have; I'm not going to completely change the plot that loses the point of the rewrite. BUT I think even with what we have I can probably come up with something better than Harold. I'm so confused why they went with someone with NO experience in screenwriting, when they had Andrew Stanton come on for the pre finale and finale episodes. He has a DECORATED past as a screenwriter. Even as far back as the Toy Story films. It baffles me they didn't just have him from the start.

  • @devoursilent
    @devoursilent 2 года назад +1239

    since he killed those shock troopers, did he allow the 501st to only know who he was? Because they had to know he is darth Vader, since they marched with him to the temple

    • @darksun7263
      @darksun7263 2 года назад +19

      Up

    • @derlasercrafterwally4342
      @derlasercrafterwally4342 2 года назад +76

      I think in Legends the 501st knew

    • @TheEmpireAnimations
      @TheEmpireAnimations 2 года назад +46

      I was told he saved 50stso thru were more loyal after order 66 compared to other troops

    • @trevleisner
      @trevleisner 2 года назад +127

      I assume so, didn't the 501st eventually be called Vaders Fist?

    • @woahwoah2207
      @woahwoah2207 2 года назад +101

      I think they knew. They were his boys.

  • @SilverStormShadow
    @SilverStormShadow 2 года назад +152

    I agree with you completely here. The fact Reva knew Vader's true identity irritated me too.

  • @starwarsfella9205
    @starwarsfella9205 2 года назад +23

    6:13 exactly what makes your channel unique, every other Star Wars channel just states facts whereas you always give your opinion and that’s why it’s great to be a part of, thank you theory

  • @TheRibottoStudios
    @TheRibottoStudios 2 года назад +163

    Uh oh you're talking about Reva Twitter is gonna lose its MIND. 😂

    • @bobhanson1037
      @bobhanson1037 2 года назад

      Fuck em.

    • @ayoreef9683
      @ayoreef9683 2 года назад +9

      He wasnt being racist he’ll be fine lol

    • @truegeminii6030
      @truegeminii6030 2 года назад +40

      @@ayoreef9683 criticism and racism are the same to people on twitter

    • @CarolinaChris26
      @CarolinaChris26 2 года назад

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @1KQ_
      @1KQ_ 2 года назад +20

      @@ayoreef9683 any criticism towards POC is classed as racism by Twitter

  • @Sithlord224
    @Sithlord224 2 года назад +19

    Vader saw how useful her rage could be, and for intended purpose it was. He let it slide knowing she wouldn't say anything, because she was there for herself and wanted only him. She never told anyone why and struck anyone down who was in her way. Vader liked it, but knew the truth

    • @scoposteve8470
      @scoposteve8470 2 года назад +2

      In my opinion Vader didn’t know she knew until episode 5. While she was talking with Obi-wan at the door and she started remembering the night of order 66 Vader may have been able to see it in her mind when she lost concentration on blocking Vader out. That would be why Vader said you really think I didn’t see it.

  • @HoodedSpidey
    @HoodedSpidey 2 года назад +40

    Reva is a schrödinger paradox. Without the universe and characters bending to her will, she wouldn’t exist. But if she didn’t exist, this show wouldn’t happen.

    • @TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524
      @TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524 2 года назад +15

      The show could easily have happened and made more sense had they just used Cad Bane instead of Reva. He and Obi-Wan have a history, Cad hunts Jedi, and would've been a better villain. They could've had him flush Obi-Wan out of hiding and start the chase and Vader and the Inquisitors get on the trail too. Could've easily had Maul thrown in as an underworld boss behind Cad and given us a proper Maul vs Kenobi vs Vader showdown where we get to see all three legends fighting.

    • @josephbogart6604
      @josephbogart6604 2 года назад +2

      The show would certainly exist without reva. In fact it should have been named reva.

    • @HoodedSpidey
      @HoodedSpidey 2 года назад

      @El Malakh Feo I’ll phrase it like this: ‘Kenobi’ is in a superposition of plausibility and implausibility depending on if the viewer observes Darth Vader’s character. Much like the wave function collapses, so too does the show upon observing Vader in other canon material.

    • @HoodedSpidey
      @HoodedSpidey 2 года назад

      @@TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524 that’s awesome! Disney should hire you 🤣

    • @TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524
      @TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524 2 года назад +1

      @@HoodedSpidey Disney should hire fans. Period. That is their biggest flaw. They don't hire people that know their stuff and care. And you can tell when the people behind the story give a shit.

  • @philipthomas3503
    @philipthomas3503 2 года назад

    No apology needed, you’re knowledgeable, humble, funny and good natured (that really comes through) keep doing your thing!

  • @Julianexplosion
    @Julianexplosion 2 года назад

    Him laughing followed by "whatever man" is the current state of Star Wars

  • @delvorin1705
    @delvorin1705 2 года назад +35

    My thoughts exactly. Was thinking of the comic you showed too.. I also was annoyed how distant obi wan became of the force.. he's there to protect Luke yet how does it make sense hed let himself get so weak. Great content as always.

    • @AMysticLegend
      @AMysticLegend 2 года назад +8

      It makes sense if you paid attention to the show as it was explained.
      He was depressed and had PTSD because of everything that happened which was affecting him mentally and affecting his connection to the force.

    • @postsniper-7532
      @postsniper-7532 2 года назад

      Obi wan literally killed the greatest threats to the galaxy lol make no mistake Vader was not actively looking for obi wan which is why it took 10 years and reva to bring them together

    • @delvorin1705
      @delvorin1705 2 года назад

      @the mythical legend ahhh ppl like you who miss the point of what's said make me chuckle. Thanks for the laughs

  • @bradiboiwastaken3823
    @bradiboiwastaken3823 2 года назад +10

    Sometimes when I refer to Vader I call him “Mr Fresh n’ Crispy”.

    • @grandmufftwerkin9037
      @grandmufftwerkin9037 2 года назад +7

      Kentucky Fried Sith.

    • @dukethighwalker6839
      @dukethighwalker6839 2 года назад

      One of the lightsaber styles included epic bantz to goad your opponent into making mistakes. Given how insecure Anakin always was, I feel like this would've worked well had Kenobi integrated it more into his defensive fighting style.
      'Well if it isn't my old friend, the Crispy Critter of mustafar. How's it hanging big pimpin?'

  • @skylord5004
    @skylord5004 2 года назад

    I have a thought that she probably voiced a desire to hunt down Kenobi, which served Vader's purpose. Beyond that he probably had a suspicion that she'd never tell a soul because then her life was over

  • @1-._.-Blue_Vr-._.-1
    @1-._.-Blue_Vr-._.-1 2 года назад +21

    the only thing i can think of is that Palpatine knew he needed inquisitors and maybe he had Vader purposefully only give flesh wounds to younglings with certain force abilities to activate their dark side powers and grow their hatred? Like Vader knew it was her the whole time and was only using her for her mind reading ability but was keeping the watchful eye on her the whole time

    • @rexmagi4606
      @rexmagi4606 2 года назад +11

      Would be nice, but unfortunately I think they legitimately aren't as insightful into these things and frankly they need to start selecting Star Wars fans to sign NDAs and give input to help patch their oversights before release.

    • @papaofthejohns5882
      @papaofthejohns5882 2 года назад

      That sounds horrible, like a bad idea. Imagine Palpatine trying to sell this idea to an Anakin who had not yet fully embraced the Dark Side and only just turned “Oh so yeah, while you’re in the temple slaughtering your Jedi brethren, make a visit to the younglings in particular and do your best to harm some of them while not killing them with your lightsaber, so that I can pervert their young minds and turn them into dark side slaves!” It’s both ridiculous and needlessly convoluted

  • @no_timetoplay68
    @no_timetoplay68 2 года назад

    I feel very much the same thing.. I was 9 when star wars came out ,I have been thinking about how to build a light Saber for close to 40 years..
    Thank you for awesome content 👏

  • @TCR2025
    @TCR2025 2 года назад +13

    The only thing about this is that the reva storyline is entirely predictable. Her character is not needed.

  • @PatrixRaider
    @PatrixRaider 2 года назад

    I love your honesty. Keep up the great work.

  • @arcanum3882
    @arcanum3882 2 года назад +1

    That Jo casta nu voice was so cursed

  • @michaelgriffith104
    @michaelgriffith104 2 года назад

    Like someone recently said in the comics- You're not alive out of the goodness of Vader's heart. You're alive because he's still got a use for you. Vader left Reva alive because he still has a use for her. He even said the opposite to her when stabbed the crap out of her, but didn't kill. There were also a very small number who knew, and he didn't slaughter them like all the rest. Tarkin, Thrawn, Sabe

  • @philgonz4438
    @philgonz4438 2 года назад

    Can u do a vid breakdown on the weakness Reva had..which was lack of knowledge/training on the Force. Here is why:
    1.She got tossed around by everyone with Force abilities from the GI to the 4th Bro and could never get out of their holds.
    2.She was a youngling when she was taken and was training for combat but never really got to point of off/def Force usage. The Empire kept her weak by not training her more on this skill, only nurturing the mind probing skills that made her Force sensitive to begin.
    3. She couldn't feel Luke above her in Cannon like most advanced Force users.
    4. Vader is so advanced with this skill he knew he didn't need to use his own Lightsaber bc he could feel her total weakness thus why he knocks her around so much w the Force.
    There are more examples but you get the idea...if she was fully trained on using the Force she could've stood more a chance to at least parry some of the moves on her. The Empire or Vader or the GI kept her skills limited there bc they knew her true past. I hope this is taken well and you break it down for us!

  • @evanpolozola1716
    @evanpolozola1716 2 года назад

    I think it is the one exception for Vader because he knows that her hatred of kenobi for failing anakin is one of his best shots at finding kenobi through using her. I think if he were to capture/kill kenobi he would then kill reva right then and there bc she is no longer useful + knows he’s anakin.

  • @SSJBart-jb5dw
    @SSJBart-jb5dw 2 года назад

    Super Saiyan Vegeta in the background keeping watch over Theory! “Let me ask you, does a Jedi like yourself ever experience fear?”

  • @tapewormrage
    @tapewormrage 2 года назад +1

    I wonder if he wants her as an apprentice. Her hatred of Vader would be great Sith material.

  • @blueanimul
    @blueanimul 2 года назад +16

    I just don't like anything about reva's character. Beyond the acting not being convincing, the show has focused so much on her, and less on vader. I would much rather see more of vader and kenobi and less of leia and reva.

    • @nickter745thebold8
      @nickter745thebold8 2 года назад +1

      You actually dislike Leia?

    • @blueanimul
      @blueanimul 2 года назад

      @@nickter745thebold8 I don't dislike the character... I just feel like the show is focusing more on her than kenobi (i get his development is coming through his relationship with her, but I would rather it be through his relationship with vader)

  • @philkelly7048
    @philkelly7048 2 года назад

    I'd say once the real grand inquisitior contacted Vader after Reva stabbed him, Vader then knew she was up to something, Vader meditated on it and figured out who she was.. Vader said he had been watching Reva but that was only after she stabbed the grand inquisitior

  • @Deanof316.
    @Deanof316. 2 года назад

    I think Vader's desire to confront/kill Obi-Wan allowed him to make Reva his one exception for his 'you my name? You immediately die' rule....as she was his best bet for finding Obi-Wan.

  • @raccolt4217
    @raccolt4217 2 года назад +1

    To be honest I believe he did this cause he knew maybe that reva would lead him to obi wan that Vader himself couldn’t find for SEVEN YEARS. So he used her knowing that either way reva would die sense she knew that he was anakin. And also because sense this is a Vader between revenge of the sith and new hope, so He’s probably still a little hesitant every now and then to slay the second someone knows his identity. Cause as time goes on of course he gets consumed more and more by the dark side and only has but a micro slither of skywalker in him. So of course at a new hope and so on, he would be less merciful.

  • @MourningCoffeeMusic
    @MourningCoffeeMusic 2 года назад +1

    They should’ve made them romantic partners that sometimes have to do normal things like grocery shop and argue over paying bills. That’s what the fans *really* wanted.

  • @stephanwalters5963
    @stephanwalters5963 2 года назад

    Theory you are the best. I love your channel and I love your thoughts and theories. Keep up the good work man. See you at the watch party

  • @itz_daniel_
    @itz_daniel_ 2 года назад +7

    Love your vids, keep it up!!💙

  • @Mavis-Tanya
    @Mavis-Tanya 2 года назад

    I enjoy your videos! Keep them coming!

  • @hikarudoweberu
    @hikarudoweberu 2 года назад

    Despite some times I don't agree with your opinion in a few things about star wars, I really like how honest you are about everything from movies to TV shows and comics. I really like your content and in my opinion you are exactly what a true star wars fan should be. It's ok to like whatever you want and you are a great example of how to criticize using facts. Love your channel, hope you grow and become more powerful than any Jedi!

  • @joshuadesautels
    @joshuadesautels 2 года назад

    What I don't understand is when people CLAIM to be "fans" of something, and then, seemingly, ALL they really want to do is complain about it.

  • @JonathanMartin884
    @JonathanMartin884 2 года назад

    It's like they knew that this went against Vader's character and then wrote that line in about how he would never allow this just to show the audience they know they changed it. That's the way I took it.

  • @yogicyd
    @yogicyd 2 года назад

    I think from the beginning he just want to "keep the ally close, the enemy closer"

  • @danielaustin3563
    @danielaustin3563 2 года назад

    Hey SW Theory,
    I do agree that Vader would’ve killed Reva on the spot the moment he found out she knew but I do have two ideas as to why she was allowed to live.
    Kenobi-
    the fact she was so desperate and earnest to track down Obi-Wan and help Vader fufill one of his Big goals might’ve stayed his hand.
    Age-
    Vader is older than he was in the first Vader comics (19 BBY to 12 BBY) and has changed a bit more to how he was in A New Hope.
    That isn’t to say the scene was perfect, there should’ve been more explanation on Vader and the Gi’s part. And I do have some problems with the show (Especially episode 4)
    But otherwise I have been enjoying the show. I tend to be forgiving of media’s inconsistencies as an artist and watching the Star Wars Gallery shorts similar to your takes on the Disney Era of Star Wars.
    Great video dude and have a nice day!

  • @EvyatarCohen-lz3dx
    @EvyatarCohen-lz3dx 2 года назад

    Love your Channel and your videos! keep doing everything you do, cause it's so fun to see how much you love the topic! a great channel for every star wars fan!

  • @JTheMoneyable
    @JTheMoneyable 2 года назад

    I wonder if he used Reva and allowed her existence thinking that she might’ve given him a good chance at finding Obi Wan faster. Like, everything that happened was bc he purposefully allowed it

  • @aland4043
    @aland4043 2 года назад

    It would have been a bit easier to swallow if Vader had just figured out who she was/where she was from after he’d learned of how she turned on the Grand Inquisitor.
    But I agree, she would never have been left to possibly survive. Unless Vader assumed she would just die, but I doubt he’d assume that. Maybe he had a Force dream that she’d try to kill him or he foresaw that she’d die.
    I’m going for Owen Lars killing her when she drags herself to Tattooine to either kill Luke or abduct him.
    The scene when Reva and Owen met earlier in the series may have been hinting at it when Owen says something to the effect that he hates Jedi, they’re vermin and he kills vermin on his farm. He won’t have any love for her after her threats to kill him and when he discovers her on the farm he wouldn’t hesitate to shoot her.
    I doubt it’ll happen but I think it would be good to see how protective Owen is and give him something decent to do in the finale.

  • @orphicprince8854
    @orphicprince8854 2 года назад

    You’re doing great. You’re always very articulate and clear in your analyses. One of the reasons why I’ve remained is that you’re knowledgeable and gracious. Folks are just being extra ridiculous this week. It’s weird. May the force be with you! Looking forward to more vids!

  • @Halden.
    @Halden. 2 года назад

    I subscribed to this channel because of the Twitter BS that started this morning, and I gotta say: I love how you handled it. Liking the content so far too.

  • @danieldollison2188
    @danieldollison2188 2 года назад

    The caveats would be: If Vader respected the person enough to let it stand (Tarkin, Thrawn) or found some sort of value in letting the person live (Ahsoka at first "The Emperor will show you clemency") . Also, a large number of 501st troopers (the ones who survived the temple assault) definitely knew Anakin was Vader. He must have found value in letting Reva live. Also, wouldn't perhaps the Grand Inquisitor have known he was Anakin?

  • @CosmicMakes
    @CosmicMakes 2 года назад +8

    Doesn't Vader like the cat and mouse kind of behavior towards his subordinates though? If he knows they want to betray him, he wants to let them walk right up the edge of betrayal and let them give in to that urge just like he did. It's like he wants to see them fall in a grandiose way, lol.

    • @tianfromthebrickworld8487
      @tianfromthebrickworld8487 2 года назад +1

      Why let her live tho?....

    • @huckwee1141
      @huckwee1141 2 года назад +1

      This is my theory for that personally I think he does this so that way he can give them the chance he can never have with his master and that is a chance to actually have a good chance at winning.

    • @CosmicMakes
      @CosmicMakes 2 года назад +1

      @@tianfromthebrickworld8487 I thought that was weird too, but my guess is so that she can continue to hunt obiwan and lead Vader to him. I'm guessing we get Vader, obi and reva all back on tatooine, reva saves obi from being discovered and dies to Vader. Somehow. She really has to be killed off or were left with the "where has she been!?" issue.

  • @sonictemple2925
    @sonictemple2925 2 года назад

    Well the Grand Inquisitor most likely knows who he is. He was a Jedi Temple guard. I could be mistaken, but wasn’t he present during the Ashoka trial? He might not have realized until the GI came to him and decided to use her.

  • @ryantheregularravensfan8151
    @ryantheregularravensfan8151 2 года назад

    I'm not sure Vader truly knew she remembered until she attempted to attack him...it's possible that she wouldn't have known if not for her ability to read minds & emotions...she never saw him as Vader when she was a youngling...

  • @lucasqualls5086
    @lucasqualls5086 2 года назад +9

    I mean, it appears from what they said in the show that they allowed her to live specifically because she was so driven to find obi wan, which made her useful at least temporarily.

    • @EagleRiderStudios
      @EagleRiderStudios 2 года назад +5

      But there’s nothing that makes her uniquely qualified to find Obi Wan. The GI could’ve done just as well, probably better

    • @edwardrichtofen8530
      @edwardrichtofen8530 2 года назад +1

      @@EagleRiderStudios the only thing is she found that information somehow. Otherwise she is easily replaceable.

    • @EagleRiderStudios
      @EagleRiderStudios 2 года назад

      @@edwardrichtofen8530 you’re exactly right, and the information she found, Vader already knew

    • @edwardrichtofen8530
      @edwardrichtofen8530 2 года назад

      @@EagleRiderStudios does he? She somehow knows this information when if anyone competent had it bail would be fucked.

    • @EagleRiderStudios
      @EagleRiderStudios 2 года назад

      @@edwardrichtofen8530 oh you’re talking about the transmission. Yeah he probably doesn’t have that one, although bail should be fucked anyways because Leia is with Obi Wan

  • @notsaying3118
    @notsaying3118 2 года назад +1

    I feel like the story of Reva and Vader runs contrast to the story of Obiwan and Vader. It shows he did learn these lessons from Obiwan shown in the duel scene. He just can’t control himself when it comes to Obiwan.

  • @r1ck00sharma
    @r1ck00sharma 2 года назад

    Agree 100%
    There is no way Vader would have let her live all of this time. He certainly would have finished her after she tried to attack him.
    Also, from what we've seen of the Grand Inquisitor in Rebels, he would have not let her live.

  • @sleekgeekcollectibles
    @sleekgeekcollectibles 2 года назад

    I think there is a very slim possibility that Vader does this, and that is where he feels he can completely control the situation, it’s for a strategic purpose, and he will kill her anyway; or if the Emperor commanded it. That latter option has a very small amount of slack, though, as you showed with the comics. I hold out that sliver of hope the Finale will offer a plausible explanation.

  • @SwagbitoUchiha
    @SwagbitoUchiha 2 года назад

    I never got the impression Vader knew Reva knew about the Anakin stuff, only that she was plotting to betray him and went "Lmao, nice try but I saw it coming."

  • @BrutusCM
    @BrutusCM 2 года назад

    Only thing I can think of is we all know she pretended to be dead. Maybe she changed her identity after everyone left the temple and things were clear? Caleb Dume changed his name to Kanan Jarris when he was younger. So its not a stretch. I dont think Vader would recognize her 10 years later as she's clearly grown. Could be wrong. But just a theory.

  • @jasonscott6128
    @jasonscott6128 2 года назад

    he was just using her to get to obi-wan, after she served her purpose she was disposed of that's all i can think of because i agree with you 100%

  • @tonio3375
    @tonio3375 2 года назад

    I'm kinda thinking that tomorrow we'll see Vader on Tatooine...

  • @gregoryw7670
    @gregoryw7670 2 года назад +4

    SWT, you’re forgetting one thing: this is Disney’s SW. they dont care about established lore and continuity. Good storytelling is irrelevant to them. And sadly, they think they can make/write SW better than George.

    • @davidordaz5251
      @davidordaz5251 2 года назад

      Yeah plus he always has his vader fetish thinking that he’s all powerful and wants things to go a certain way than when things don’t go he complains and whines like a little baby since it’s Disney making it so what did theory expect though

    • @bulbapig441
      @bulbapig441 2 года назад

      @@davidordaz5251 He's giving valid criticism based on stories to date, not complaining like a baby like the way you are over his opinion.

  • @harley..
    @harley.. 2 года назад +1

    I had hit you with a SuperChat on one of your streams, you didn't really agree with me and that's cool - however, I wanna bring this up again.. The line "He was wise to use you against me" {Vader Vs. Reva} - [Kenobi5] was (in my opinion) certainly written for a very particular reason. The reason itself - we obviously don't know for certain at this point.. (Yes it could absolutely be a comment made in passing, however, I don't believe that it is worth the time, nor is it the place to have Vader/ANAKIN appraise Kenobi.) I believe this statement is quite profound and intentional. Before I elaborate further, obviously we need to remember the fact; Anakin was a masterful tactician and an incredible warrior. We have seen this multiple times throughout the movies and also throughout the clone wars series. And so, as I am running on my own headcannon here I do not expect everyone to jump on board (Keep in mind I am particularly drawing reference to the 'cinematic cannon' rather than the comics where - some of which - we have recently seen to be retconned) I believe with what we have in with the current cinema, Vader/Anakin was far more intelligent than what we were given originally (in live action ~~ Where a lot of the audience began/remains). I would like to believe that he was able to read Reva's abilities when he stabbed her as a youngling. He made it clear in the Kenobi Series that he was aware she was alive during/after order 66 which is backed via the dialogue (in episode five) and so - he knew exactly who she was the entire time. I believe she was right where he needed her (I imagine for her abilities, some of which we know and I'd imagine some of which we don't.. Her power certainly speculates some kind of mind alteration, other than just reading) up until Kenobi dropped into the picture. Which obviously went the way that it did. I imagine Vader had plans for Reva - perhaps the hunting of Jedi (or Kenobi specifically), or perhaps something greater - maybe involving Palpatine. We don't know where that story is going at the moment.. However, we do know that Reva is supposed to be a very important character (thanks Disney), which in many ways is unfortunate given her abilities and.. well.. common sense. (she creates hurdles with the plot - writing a story around someone that can read people's minds would cause problems.. except for when they randomly decide they cbf doing that??) But I genuinely believe her arc is written specifically to tie into a future plot, or at least be referrenced. I think Vader is currently being written to have more depth - not a man baby, not a shell of a man - but a man who is genuinely intelligent and evil. Who ultimately can only be broken by his own blood... himself.. his child. Dunno, cool series so far though.

  • @jonathanwinston3241
    @jonathanwinston3241 2 года назад

    I like these vids, he should call them “SW Theory Unfiltered”

  • @SameoldPrimaldata
    @SameoldPrimaldata 2 года назад

    my thing is this, he may have wondered if she was going to level up where he could become the master and she the student. It's kind of sith Lore that the student attempts to slay the master.
    I think it's also why Vader played all the inquisitors against each other. see who really develops in the Dark side. Besides Resurrecting Padme is a direct connection to Anakin so he doesn't shun everything Skywalker just the things he finds weak and useless

  • @joshuapacheco2866
    @joshuapacheco2866 2 года назад

    I’m hoping he’s going to go after if there is a season 2. I think he knew that she wouldn’t say anything because she thought she had the upper hand and was “hunting him”. I think he let her own hubris keep her silent. Basically like oh he doesn’t know I know, I can get close and kill him and Vader sensed it all.

  • @johnproctor2198
    @johnproctor2198 2 года назад

    Does this mean that the grand inquisitor didn't know Vader's identity? He mentioned leaving Reva where "they found her" Tarkin & Thrawn also knew

  • @dillonweaver283
    @dillonweaver283 2 года назад

    I think he knew it was her the second time they crossed paths. Maybe she escaped somehow big maybe. but that being said i think she caught him off guard by wanting to join the inquisitorius but he knew she was the one who survived and was waiting to see how long it would take to show her true intentions or if she was serious about joining him.

  • @artisan09
    @artisan09 2 года назад

    I feel like they make star wars for the casual fans and not fans who read books, comics, and sometimes fans who have seen the animated shows. I feel like they make the shows assuming the watcher has only seen movies and they put Easter eggs for fans of everything else.

  • @crzymrgigabyte
    @crzymrgigabyte 2 года назад

    thank you ! so much I was wise to follow you

  • @robertguzek7945
    @robertguzek7945 2 года назад

    “Has Ewen and Hayden, how can I complain” oh idk… maybe that Reeva has more canon destroying screen time than ewen and Hayden

  • @rowanbickett1688
    @rowanbickett1688 2 года назад

    I think that Vader knew she was a youngling but not THE youngling. Everyone knew she used to be a Jedi so I think that Vader was just calling her that to be demeaning considering she was a youngling who joined them. To me it didn’t seem like Vader knew that Reva knew he was Anikan and that’s why she wanted to kill him. Instead it came off as Reva was a former youngling hellbent on betraying the empire cause she didn’t like them, and Vader used that to get closer to Kenobi.

  • @cammanagerbetts
    @cammanagerbetts 2 года назад

    I guess we must all realize different writers simply change things becuase of their pride

  • @teaspoonty3
    @teaspoonty3 2 года назад +1

    Def not being too critical lol don’t listen to people. You’re one of the #1 Star Wars fans. If someone can’t point of flaws with something they love them they don’t really love it

  • @maxhstahl
    @maxhstahl 2 года назад

    He a "giant baby"! Hahahaha
    I suppose that he'd find Reva's motivation and rage useful, as the Grand Inquisitor said. It makes sense that he'd want to make use of her, for however long that he could. The other Jedi that couldn't be turned needed to be eliminated as quickly as possible, and only a minority of them would turn. He kept tabs on her, and wasn't wrong in assuming that he'd be able to thwart her if she tried to betray him. After all, he just God-stomp her, in episode 5.

  • @Jake-nx6li
    @Jake-nx6li 2 года назад

    I played it out as if Vader was just conducting an experiment. I think he didn't always know her true identity, just eventually pieced it together. Maybe he saw something interesting about her, and wanted to see how things played out since she did get results in bringing obi Wan to him. But he always planned to kill her and that's why he plotted with the original Grand Inquistor before he eventually pulling the reverse double cross on her. He knew she wasn't a true threat in anyway, so he set aside his principles on the subject of people knowing that hes skywalker for a specific task.🤷‍♂️ thats how I justified it anyway.

  • @WiredWasp99
    @WiredWasp99 2 года назад

    totally agree with your opinions man. you really nail it on this stuff.

  • @etcetera662
    @etcetera662 2 года назад

    I appreciate that you can criticize the show while still encouraging everyone to continue to have fun with it. The constant polarized opinions of the internet gets exhausting and yours is a refreshing take

  • @zacharyanderson3377
    @zacharyanderson3377 2 года назад

    I think the idea that Vader knows that Reva knows who he is for as long as she did was...okay. But that moment when Vader was angry and showed up the Inquisitor fortress, and forces chokes Reva. That should've have been the last straw, even if she tracked them. Should've snapped her neck and tracked them himself.

  • @nikojovanovic9506
    @nikojovanovic9506 2 года назад

    He must have let her live as long as she has because he sensed she'd be able to find kenobi

  • @sharknado9374
    @sharknado9374 2 года назад

    Good synopsis, ignore those Twitter trolls... Critics are needed at this time especially ones passionate about the content we recieve

  • @rob_3255
    @rob_3255 2 года назад

    Seems like he was a lil lenient with that bcuz his end goal was getting revenge on Obi Wan which I liked.

  • @knownwomanrespecter
    @knownwomanrespecter 2 года назад

    It's possible that it was just Vader's assumption that reva couldn't put 2 and 2 together and realize he's anakin

  • @lordextravagant420
    @lordextravagant420 2 года назад

    You’re great bro 💪🏽💯

  • @kingkrow420
    @kingkrow420 2 года назад

    Was he killing because the troopers knew the unmasked Vader was Anakin? I don’t think thats necessarily the case. It seems its more like once he’s disfigured/suited up, if someone saw him in his “weak” form without that, he killed them

  • @branmonte
    @branmonte 2 года назад

    It could be that he knew Reva was the youngling, But maybe he did NOT know that SHE knew he was Anakin Skywalker. If that makes sense.

  • @EviIJo
    @EviIJo 2 года назад

    Vader would have killed her without question.
    Obi-wan would have known Vader was still alive because Bail Organa would have known about Vader and told him, if he hadn't heard about it in those 10 years by himself.
    They don't care about it making sense because they have no respect for the story, the lore, or the fans.
    They care about money.

  • @jasonbenton7962
    @jasonbenton7962 2 года назад

    You summed it up when you compared his mindset. He’s half way between rots Vader and anh Vader. He is starting to be more tactical. She is supposed to be a newer inquisitor. I think if it was 19-14bby Vader she would be dead immediately.

  • @theoutsiderjess1869
    @theoutsiderjess1869 2 года назад

    Reva just surviving Order 66 would have sent him into rage and he would have killed her immediately it doesn't make sense that he let her live

  • @kevinoneil5120
    @kevinoneil5120 2 года назад

    TLDR; consistency within the canon is an impossible task for Disney.

  • @darylt4891
    @darylt4891 2 года назад

    The quicker we can all just accept Disney knows nothing about Star Wars, the easier it is we can all move on and just rewatch 1-6 and Rouge One and call it a day.

  • @brentstutzman
    @brentstutzman 2 года назад

    No apologies necessay! Keep bringing the heat on Kenobi. It's warrented. Love your opinions.

  • @chloescoolcreations9719
    @chloescoolcreations9719 2 года назад

    I’m gonna believe, he was willing to let her live in order to get obi wan, that’s how bad he wants obi. He knew all she cared about is revenge not revealing his identity…. That’s what I want to believe.

  • @EllisZANE
    @EllisZANE 2 года назад

    Anakin to fans: You underestimate my power."
    Me: Um yo ik ur secret bro"
    Vader: Noooooo!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @pianoman1857
    @pianoman1857 2 года назад

    you're definitely not criticizing too much, we just have to be honest to ourselves and to others. Keep doing ! :)

  • @davidrandall7357
    @davidrandall7357 2 года назад

    I love these "talking videos" to theory!

  • @JohnathonHC
    @JohnathonHC 2 года назад

    Thanks for what you do brother

  • @assassinscreed8597
    @assassinscreed8597 2 года назад

    Vader will never go to tattooine, yet Vader visits Jaba in his palace, Sometimes you’ve just gotta stop overthinking dude.

  • @foellerd
    @foellerd 2 года назад +1

    Please do nitpick it. That's why I'm here. I can filter out opinions I don't agree with. I'm in the camp that thinks you don't nitpick enough and actually go soft on major issues in the series. I thank you for being real. ✌

  • @sparksgameplayofficial
    @sparksgameplayofficial 2 года назад +114

    I have a theory that could justify keeping Reva around during this time until she wound up betraying him. He knew the whole time, however I think he was able to feel her hatred for Obi-wan and her desire to find him. I think this made him take a step toward the cold and calculating Vader we know of by using her as a tool to find Kenobi and nothing else. This would be why the phrase "Kenobi is all that matters" was their main connection. He knew that she had a power, and he saw the advantages of using her in his goal to find him. He was watching her with great detail to make sure the secret she holds doesn't get out and he would know exactly when her usefulness would run out. The entire situation was like a game. Yes he wanted to kill her for knowing. But in this case, Kenobi was all that mattered to him in those moments.

    • @kaskovic1993
      @kaskovic1993 2 года назад +6

      Yes agreed and she never said to him you are Anakin so we cant say that this was bad storywriting

    • @The1TheyCallFoo313
      @The1TheyCallFoo313 2 года назад +4

      That actually makes alot of sense.

    • @TheJoeDonnelly
      @TheJoeDonnelly 2 года назад

      This is head canon, grow up

    • @jamesbartlett5640
      @jamesbartlett5640 2 года назад +1

      Exactly this, he was using her to find Kenobi then this was proven when he was taking to Palpatine and he was like forget Kenobi need you pretty much focused on the Death Star.

    • @harrystevenson822
      @harrystevenson822 2 года назад +1

      I think the reason Vader kept praising her was to keep her happy so she didn’t feel the need to tell anyone

  • @elmaz46
    @elmaz46 2 года назад +40

    I am watching this series only because of Obi Wan and Anakin I don’t want to see a Reva storyline

    • @pregnantnun6873
      @pregnantnun6873 2 года назад

      Ehh, I felt the same way before. But I mean, we do get a story arc of a youngling that survived order 66

    • @Axidic
      @Axidic 2 года назад +4

      yea , i dont know why disney added her

    • @tizodd6
      @tizodd6 2 года назад

      @@pregnantnun6873 Yeah, the last episode got me more interested in her backstory.

    • @TheLeaderOfTheBunch
      @TheLeaderOfTheBunch 2 года назад +1

      Reva getting actual character only in the 5th episode is actually kind of dumb. Wish the Order 66 part was in the first one

    • @dukethighwalker6839
      @dukethighwalker6839 2 года назад

      @@TheLeaderOfTheBunch No kidding. Open the series with that scene, and then flash forward to the sadist that she is now.

  • @TheRevan1337
    @TheRevan1337 2 года назад +570

    Always give your honest take on Star Wars, Theory, it is what every real star wars fan ought to do.

    • @loganlayne5580
      @loganlayne5580 2 года назад +9

      Fan of anything not just Star Wars!

    • @TheRevan1337
      @TheRevan1337 2 года назад +8

      @@loganlayne5580 Especially for Star Wars, which in poor hands right now, and where lore can be thrown out at the tip of the hat when it has existed for decades prior.

    • @Shakazulu555
      @Shakazulu555 2 года назад +1

      Can somebody please find a way to tell Star Wars Theory that Death Battle is doing a new battle between Boba Fett and The Predator next????? Y'all he has to know so he can do a reaction! Somebody get his attention so he can see if Death Battle accurately depicts Boba Fett. Plus I think he'd enjoy it.

    • @damienryan3345
      @damienryan3345 2 года назад

      Slurp

    • @liamphibia
      @liamphibia 2 года назад

      It's why we love you, dude!👏

  • @DavidM_10
    @DavidM_10 2 года назад +21

    I can accept Vader using Reva. Even though Reva knew his name, Vader also knew Reva would never risk revealing his name while she was working for him, because that would compromise her own mission of getting close to Vader. What I can't accept is Vader leaving Reva alive at the end of Episode 5. Now she could potentially tell EVERYONE. She's openly his enemy.

    • @thedonzo
      @thedonzo 2 года назад +6

      Yeah that seems super stupid... I agree with you statement 100 percent, I can see him using her but not leaving her alive that males zero sense

  • @KalleFlodin
    @KalleFlodin 2 года назад +382

    This is exactly why I follow you, honesty is everything ❤️

    • @yoyoyoyoyoyo6
      @yoyoyoyoyoyo6 2 года назад +3

      Why because he defends Star Wars no matter what no matter how dogshit it is and doesn’t matter how many plot holes it makes he will still defend this dogshit franchise , JUST WAIT u he watches the finale

    • @calebp6114
      @calebp6114 2 года назад +6

      Bruh if you hate Star Wars, why are you on this channel?

    • @ghosthunter7258
      @ghosthunter7258 2 года назад +4

      @@calebp6114 he's a little slow it's alright

    • @obikinwinchester6235
      @obikinwinchester6235 2 года назад

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙄🙄🤣

    • @themonkster333
      @themonkster333 2 года назад +2

      @@yoyoyoyoyoyo6 No, he explains it to us and calls it out when it is BS. Nice try hater.

  • @alexisking3579
    @alexisking3579 2 года назад +198

    You’re a great content creator man, you speak your mind with out insulting actors definitely one of the best Star Wars RUclipsrs

    • @Shakazulu555
      @Shakazulu555 2 года назад +1

      Can somebody please find a way to tell Star Wars Theory that Death Battle is doing a new battle between Boba Fett and The Predator next????? Y'all he has to know so he can do a reaction! Somebody get his attention so he can see if Death Battle accurately depicts Boba Fett. Plus I think he'd enjoy it.

    • @starwarsovercome2798
      @starwarsovercome2798 2 года назад

      @@Shakazulu555 bro why are you spamming every comment

    • @terryshrk
      @terryshrk 2 года назад

      AGREE ! YOU are one of only a very very very very few Star Wars content creators whom can get clicks without having to stop to using good old Star Wars toxic-fandom- character -story haters to get a good conversation going.

    • @colton9941
      @colton9941 2 года назад

      Did you forget his attack on jj abrams and Pablo Hidalgo? What about Star Wars explained and eckharts ladder?

    • @alexisking3579
      @alexisking3579 2 года назад

      @@colton9941 Not saying they’re bad I said one of the best, and I haven’t seen the JJ Abrams thing also didn’t Pablo Hidalgo start all that, drama I mean

  • @BadCoyoteFunky
    @BadCoyoteFunky 2 года назад +19

    You echo my thoughts perfectly on this show, especially the laughter at 5:30 - thats how i feel, just throwing my hands up and laughing because these writers are making their own fan fiction and theirs nothing we can do but "not think about it" or "stop nitpicking and just enjoy" - this is where we are at with Star Wars? just.... accept mediocrity? 🤣

  • @nickmanzo8459
    @nickmanzo8459 2 года назад +335

    Reva is a character that just feels inserted into a situation she doesn’t belong in in an attempt to endear the audience to her because she’s a writer’s insert character. She is literally your father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate that no one cares about but we’re supposed to like because reasons. I don’t care about her, but they’re gonna make a spin-off for her. Joy.

    • @barenheld9239
      @barenheld9239 2 года назад +4

      True haha

    • @stitch715
      @stitch715 2 года назад +5

      So what does that make us?...

    • @inanimatemist8610
      @inanimatemist8610 2 года назад +3

      Lol that's a good description

    • @tonymazza1208
      @tonymazza1208 2 года назад +10

      She’s awful

    • @suzygirl1843
      @suzygirl1843 2 года назад +15

      She's not an insert character. A room full of white people wrote her. If a black woman write her she wouldn't do her like this. Ever watch How To Get Away With Murder or any of Issa Rae's work?

  • @bleedingstar1011
    @bleedingstar1011 2 года назад +129

    You are being extremely fair with this show. Anyone who thinks you are being overly critical needs to realize that you could be badmouthing it A LOT more.

    • @naughter3674
      @naughter3674 2 года назад +18

      Yeah, I think he's too easy on the show a lot of the time

    • @mhay9960
      @mhay9960 2 года назад +2

      yeah josh has been far more critical

    • @godzilla1392
      @godzilla1392 2 года назад

      @@naughter3674 fax the show is dogshi

    • @Stefantius
      @Stefantius 2 года назад +6

      @@mhay9960 even Josh is still trying to not go overboard, I commend them both honestly

    • @steve8510
      @steve8510 2 года назад

      But who cares about the opinions of haters and losers that couldn't produce a decent fart let alone a show?

  • @gullyknully
    @gullyknully 2 года назад +272

    Not nitpicking, it is a valid point and a big hole in Anakin's character that he is suddenly so forgiving to this person.. who on top of betraying and working to undermine him.. now also literally made an attempt on his life.. still barely kills her and then walks off. Just plot armor in all it's glory.

    • @cleaneztclips5607
      @cleaneztclips5607 2 года назад +16

      I mean he did use her to her full capacity and then got rid of her. I do agree that it's unlikely for someone to survive that kind of a stab twice but we've seen people in Star Wars survive worse

    • @steelvader1852
      @steelvader1852 2 года назад +34

      @@cleaneztclips5607 but he didn’t get rid of her. She was breathing when he walked away. That would never happen in a Vader kill situation

    • @cleaneztclips5607
      @cleaneztclips5607 2 года назад +6

      @@steelvader1852 sith are known wanting other people to suffer so he might have wanted her to rather die there like a dog instead of granting her the privlige of a quick death

    • @edwardrichtofen8530
      @edwardrichtofen8530 2 года назад +26

      @@cleaneztclips5607 oh yeah… Vader the guy who is known for letting people live….

    • @steelvader1852
      @steelvader1852 2 года назад +27

      @@cleaneztclips5607 I don’t buy it. Even if you were to argue that Vader wanted someone to suffer for a period of time, why Reva of all people. In any other instance where Vader has to deal with some pest, he would kill them and be on with it. The answer to this issue is that Disney wanted to develop this character in a domain that she should never have been thrust into, thus creating an unrealistic scenarios and actions for the other characters around her.