2022 Lucid Air | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports
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- Опубликовано: 22 дек 2022
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The Lucid Air is an ultra-luxury, all-electric sedan, built by the fledgling EV automaker to compete with other high-end EVs like the Tesla Model S and Porsche Taycan. We discuss its driving dynamics, interior quality, what technical improvements it adds to electric vehicles as a whole, and whether it might be worth its six-figure price tag. We also discuss the role low-rolling-resistance tires play in extending the range of an EV, and if it's a good idea to use regular tires on an electric car.
SHOW NOTES:
:15 - Lucid Air first impressions
14:40 - how much do low-rolling-resistance tires contribute to an EV's overall range?
LINKS:
Streamlined Lucid Air is an Electric Rocketship: www.consumerreports.org/cars/...
Electric Vehicles That Can Go More Than 250 Miles on a Charge: www.consumerreports.org/hybri...
Low-Rolling-Resistance Tires Can Save You Money at the Pump: www.consumerreports.org/tires...
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Lucid is a gorgeous car and one of the advanced tech
Lucid Air' is King ! 900W Technology ! I saw it here in The Toronto studio . Looks Stunning ! Real Buttons inside the Cockpit too. Fix the Charging Stations in USA . Many don't work ! Cold weather problems ! Hit them up Now ! Look What Scandinavia is doing !
This was already a worthwhile listen for the tire discussion. I didn't realize the OEM tires on EV's made such a significant difference to range, though in retrospect, it should have been obvious.
People that can afford a Lucid don't have to visit ATM's don't you know?
What do people even go to ATMs for in the first place? Cash is so close to dead. Can't even go to Walmart with cash unless you go to the special single cash accepted checkout aisle
@@StalePhish Yeah, debit cards, cc's etc. are the wave of the future. If I need paper money, I'll park and step up to an ATM. This beauty will be waiting in the parking lot when I'm done.
Drive throughs are beneath Lucid customer lifestyles
I love using cash when I go out. Once I am out of cash I go home. Great way to limit your spending.
Love Lucid. It has a great backstory. Lucid started as Atieva to supply batteries and powertrains to other companies, including Formula E race cars. I think we will have a golden age of small, custom shops that use common skateboards and different tophats.
Sure but the only affordable EVs at the moment are the Nissan Leaf and Chevy bolt. Everything else is in the $50k + price point. Not good for a lot of people
Lucid has been approached by manufacturers they do not name about supplying components. Lucid's drive unit is less than half the size and weight of a Tesla rear drive unit but is rated at 200hp more. Lucid Motors has a detailed video about it on their YT channel.
Good review, and very informative. Not that I’ll ever be able to afford one of these, but it’s nice to hear that it’s got the quality it’s actually up to par with the price.
I own a Lucid Air GT. It’s been a pleasure to drive and own.
lucky. i wish i could afford it
Have the thick roof pillars bothered you?
Crossclimate 2 has much lower rolling resistance than its predecessor. People normally change tires ahead of winter, so cold weather always affects the efficiency in a bad way. Plus, worn tires have better rolling resistance than the new tread. I’d CC2 is an excellent tire and don’t be bother with the rolling resistance.
The European CC2, yes. The North American, unfortunately not - it’s worse than the CC+
Based on CR’s ratings we purchased the Cross Climate 2 model this past year. They are the best street tires I’ve ever purchased. Great in the snow and outside a set of Hoosier Dirt Stockers, they’re the best tires I’ve used in the rain. (No, I don’t work for Michelin.)
I think these guys missed a major point when discussing tire rankings as they related to the CrossClimate2s. Namely, these are tires are a true "All Weather" tire and have the "3 Peak Mountain Snowflake" certification/emblem, which means they are made of a softer compound that will retain better grip when temperatures drop below 45 degrees. It is for that reason there is increased rolling resistance. The CrossClimate2s are interesting in that they ALSO perform quite well in dry weather tests too (unlike for example pure snow tires which often struggle in rain/wet and must be swapped out in the spring and summer). I don't know exactly what kind of weather the questioner drives in, but I think if lived just a bit north of San Francisco California as the questioner does, and wasn't dealing with a lot of snow/ice conditions I'd look for a tire that does better in the kinds of conditions I drive most in. For example, even among these "3 Peak Mountain Snowflake" rated tires, ones like the CrossClimate2s do best in snow/ice, but in rain/slush like I drive in much more frequently, the Vredenstein QuatracPros perform better. And honestly for milder climates a performance oriented all-season tire like a Continental ExtremeContact or Michelin Pilot Sport 4S just might be a better fit for a Tesla Model 3 driven in the Bay Area?
I saw Lucid Air in Toronto . Its Stunning ! 900W Technology too !!! Real Buttons in the Cockpit too . But Fixt the Charging Stations in USA . Many Don't work . Heat theme Up for the cold Whether ! I will Take Lucid Air over a Ferrari or a Bentley ' any day !
They missed the point in discussing rear seat room in the Lucid. They compared it to a Mercedes S Class by referring to the Lucid as "a car this size". The Lucid is actually the size of an E-Class in exterior dimensions, yet it has a cabin that is a couple of inches longer than an S Class. What diminishes the rear seating comfort in the Lucid is the high floorboard caused by the presence of battery modules under the floorboard. In the Lucid models with the smaller battery pack, the footwells are over 3" deeper, and the rear seating comfort is on a par with a Mercedes S Class or BMW 7 Series -- an astonishing achievement in a car that is one size class lower externally. The Mercedes EQS -- their S-Class-equivalent EV -- has a wheelbase 10" longer than a Lucid, yet has no more interior room front and rear. If these reviewers thought the Air's rear headroom was tight, that of the EQS and the Tesla Model S is even less. Plus Lucid has the largest frunk (front trunk) of any EV sedan, while the EQS frunk is not even accessible, as it's filled with mechanical and electronic gear.
I own a 2021 Model S Plaid and a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance. The interior room of the Air is far greater than the Plaid -- a car of virtually identical exterior dimensions -- and the Air's rear seating room simply blows the Model S out of the water. (When I set the driver seats to my preferred position in each car, the fore/aft rear legroom in the Air is 9.5" greater than in the Model S. Consequently, we invariably take the Air when picking up friends.) There is not an EV on the market with better space utilization than the Air relative to its exterior dimensions.
On the tire question, Mark's Model 3 went from 204 w-h/mile (4.901 miles/kw-hr) to 240 w-h/mile (4.166 miles/kw-hr). Tesla rates the Model 3 average at between 3.3 miles/kw-hr and 4.17 miles/kw-hr. It seems that Mark's Model 3, even with the new tires, is performing at the very high end of the range ratings. Many ev owners would love to average 4.166 miles/kw-hr. Something does not compute.
I replace my original tires on my hybrid with regular tires. Had no loss in MPG. The original tires were terrible i wet conditions.
Headroom in the back of the Model S is also "abysmal". Hard to imagine why it was allowed to go into production that way, and an Instant disqualification for us.
I assume it's all about coefficient of drag. The lower it is, the more range you'll get, all other things equal.
Happy holidays Team CR!🎄
Didn't show the rear of the car until almost half way into the video.
I replaced about 50% worn Continental tires on my 2018 Jeep Cherokee with Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires about 2 months ago. My highway mileage dropped 1-1.5 mpg (about 4%) at 65 mph. I don't think this is excessive considering the improvement in snow, ice and wet characteristics. Some of the drop in mileage may also be due to the drop in ambient temperature.
Some folks do have very unrealistic expectations.
I sat in one last week. I am 6’5” tall and found my head hit the roof. It was an absolute show stopper for me! I am shocked they did allow the same interior spec as an S Class. Sad!
These 3 are my favorite. If they would have been cast for Top Gear USA it would have taken off. The Lego man hair is strong but it works haha
Can we please have an episode with all 3 of the Mikes?
Wait there are drive through ATMs?
Got the same tires and was surprised how much my MPG has declined (Camry hybrid)
All weather tires are winter tires that can deal with higher temperatures than most, so it's the same as running winter tires all the time. Winter tires get worse gas mileage.
Gabe! You drove and parked a $140000 rented car on the streets of NYC? I hope CR's insurance agent isn't watching! LOL.
Lucid is following Tesla’s phased approach, starting with high-end, high-margin cars to fund the R&D of future more affordable vehicles.
Excellent point! Just hope they can keep up with the cash flow as they increase their deliveries.
Yea, but 12 years later... Tesla was competing against themselves to prove business model... Lucid is competing against all the incumbents and Giant Tesla...
Grand touring range models are 950Hp vehicles. Not 800
I’d like to add that Engineering Explained just (!) uploaded a video specifically about electric car tires. Serendipity indeed.
Red flag: the consensus complaint is their drive thru ATM experience. In 2023. Regular people don’t use cash anymore. The 3 times you need cash this year maybe just get it while walking down a street.
So do these heavy EV's burn through tires more quickly? And, does a low rolling resistance tire mean a hard rubber compound?
These are excellent questions, I'd like to know the same.
TESLA uses special Long Wear tires , that have Superior NVH and Special TESLA compound used.
Yes, low rolling resistance tire is a harder compound than a tire like the CrossClimate2 which is specifically designed and "3 peak mountain snowflake" certified to stay soft and grippy when temperatures drop below 45 degrees. So you'll get better mileage, in a low rolling resistance tire, but you'll sacrifice grip, handling and braking performance. Ultimately every tire is a kind of compromise. And it makes sense for consumers to consider what is most important to them in a tire when choosing a replacement. Tire choice has a HUGE impact on how your car drives and feels and performs and different tires can make your same car perform very differently. (I don't know the answer to your other question. Common sense says yes, but it's not only EVs that are quite heavy these days)
PS Just noticed that Engineering Explained just released a video about tires for EVs. He is quite interesting and knowledgeable--he covers many automotive topics. But for the BEST tire reviews on RUclips, check out Tyre Reviews. That man is THOROUGH!
About the tires, when I buy new tires for my gas-hybrid Toyota Prius, there are always certain tire models which are specific to hybrids. They are usually branded "eco something". I would think an EV would have certain tires to use as replacements too, instead of just buying any kind of tire that fits.
is there a new EV that has 4 motors?(one motor for each of the four wheels)
I'd definitely get one of these over a Tesla
Lucid has the best EV tech at this point. Better than Tesla. It gets more miles for each kWh of power than anything else. Plus the car part is great too. Lucid just needs to get price down for the rest of us. I hope the company survives long enough to get there.
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looks like a Model @ with a squashed front end
They will sell better when they have extended wheel base. You usually don’t sit in the front seats unless your driver is not available or if you are a grandparent taking your grandchildren around. But kids have ample room in any back seat.
Most people in Paradise Valley /Scottsdale are taking delivery of Teslas and some Rivians. Lucid’s just seem to be such a dated design. All Lucid owners I see are much much older.
Lucid air is not limited production. Only the dream edition. The Air Pure is less than 90k.
It's limited by customers that want it. Lots of people cancelling reservations
@@vickykennel7414 Yes. European Dream Edition sold out at $210k. The Air sedan is a Halo car, not intended for everyone. It's out there to get attention, work out the bugs, and get ready to sell their 3-row SUVs that people prefer. As of the last report they had more air sedans reserved than they could build by the end of 2023, so of course they will be cancellations.
EV’s are such a welcomed game changer. They can take the concept of all-wheel drive even further to INDEPENDENT ALL WHEEL DRIVE because of the possibility of having an electric motor on EACH WHEEL.
The Acura RLX sport hybrid had an electric motor for each rear wheel. Independent elecric torque vectoring is not new.
These “professionals” are completely unaware they’re talking about the most aerodynamic car in history, explaining the low A-pillar as “styling.” Lolol
The Lucid Air Touring model that is shipping now is $100k, not $200k.
I've had an Air GT since April. It is a wonderful car for road trips.
Yes, CEO Peter Rawlinson did design Tesla's Model S, but spent most of his career as chief engineer of Jaguar followed by the same position at Lotus. The driving dynamics are top shelf.
EDIT- had to add that people buying $140k cars don't often visit ATMs, but I've been through pharmacy drive through w/o trouble.
Consumer Reports needs to concentrate on issues which are more important to the average consumer. Where to save money and how to buy products in this horrible economy. That's where the help is needed.
Lucidchart > Lucid Air
If Lucid bring the price down to $40K from $140K, might be interested!😊
Lol. If Ferrari brought their $200k car down to $20k I'd be interested too!
Drive a Civic. Thats what 40K will get you these days. 40K is just the battery pack lol
The Lucid Touring model that these guys ordered is $100k. The upcoming base Pure model is $87k.
It was disingenuous for them to say Lucid is $200k. Yes, there is a limited production $250k 1200hp 200+mph sports version, but few will ever see one. Hagerty has a video of that car beating up on a Tesla Plaid and Bugatti.
F#ck the Lambo, give me that Sapphire.💯
1:25 “Fashion and vanity” is the first idea that a professional car reviewer has to explain Lucid?! How about “engineering that is a decade ahead of any other EV?” Record efficiency, record range, record acceleration, record interior space, record storage space, record charging speed, record aerodynamics, and so on. Who are these jokers?
Looks like a Volkswagen. For that kinda of money, I expect better styling.
Go see one in person. Photos don't do it justice.
Best car ever Made in USA
100% agree. Got mine in April. Great on long trips and amazing for flogging twisty roads in the Rockies and Ozarks (so far).
Why bother buying
Lucid is a start-up. Not all start-ups succeed. So let's say I cash in my kid's inheritance (sorry, son), buy a Lucid Air, and the company fails, particularly as so many other established manufacturers enter the EV market. Who services my car?
LoL! If you have to ask, it's not for you. :) It's pocket change for the targeted customer segment.
You do not get it do you. Lucid isnt just a starter car. It has drivetrain technology that no other company has. Not even Tesla. So even if they struggle. Some bigger company will buy it up and continue the struggle of advancing EV technology
JiffyLube?
CR - Lightyear has 620+ mile range on Single charge.
TESLA model S w/ one+ battery got 800+ miles.
This will age well when lucid goes under
GM went under in 2008.
Your taxes & mine paid to revive them (so that they could import Buicks from communist China into the US market, and pay their execs $$$ millions).
Lucid is backed with Saudi PIF fund. Dont be so sure
saudi arabia ordered 50,000 with options for another 50,000. Lucid won't fail.
My question is, how reliable are EVs? So far, we need to wait to see if the batteries are going to last 10 years or even 20 years. Because some Tesla cars batteries need to be replace after 5 years, and it cost more than 5000 dollars to replace them. If you make the math, you don't spend that much for oil changes in five years for a gas car. For example, I used to drive a 2000 corolla Toyota for 15 years, spending only normal care like oil changes, brakes, and tires. I sold the car to my brother in law, and the car is still running after 22 years of use.
My Tesla is nine years old with the original battery and 140,000 miles, has been maintenance free and will do 0 to 60 in four seconds
I think if Tesla’s batteries were going out in five years there would be not just federal investigations but EU investigations as well. Maybe someone had a battery but definitely not reflective of the Tesla brand. Not a reflection of the EV batteries on a whole either.
The end all be all for vehicles isn't to make them last forever. A Tesla is an upscale sports sedan. So comparing it's longevity to something more premium would be better.
My brother drove a 2000 Corolla until the wheels fell off, and he wasn't as lucky as you. During a road trip his muffler fell off and was dragging down the road. Used a coat hanger to reattach it. His exhaust manifold cracked and the engine burned so much oil he'd drive around with quarts on the front seat. It was dangerously slow for highway merges. It became worthless after about 15 years so he donated it.
I work at a car dealership and some popular vehicles like Nissan Altima's don't even make it to 100k miles before their CVTs go out and are well over $5k to replace.
Tesla warrants their high voltage battery for 8 years or 120,000 miles. There are Tesla Model 3's that have gone 300,000 on their original HV battery.
This is misleading and incorrect information. Nearly all EV makers warranty their batteries for 10 years. You don't replace EV batteries. This is not a thing. These batteries are designed to outlast the car.
Wutz up with the hairstyles on those two? 🤪
Losing the point. A Pillar
Give it 5 years or less this company will be gone-to expensive for the average Joe-even Tesla not affordable-EVs blow monkey balls. Hybrids are the way to go-600 on a full
tank of gas-compared to the average 250 electric vehicle range. Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf horrible trade in value. Look for yourself-els biggest hype since Bigfoot.
BTW , Hybrids are ILLEGAL to sell in the USA after 2024, so good luck with that.
Is Audi gone? How about Porsche? Maybe BMW is gone too? And then there's Mercedes...
CR - the Lucid Air is a poor Design.
the Floor of the Lucid is full of Batteries , unlike the Completely flat floor of the Model S .
the Lucid Air PURE has the REAR seat batteries Removed and is more Comfortable.
the Lucid PURE has Comperable range to the 2023 TESLA model S. arround 400+ miles.
In your twisted mind, are you assuming the Model S has its batteries in its roof? 😂
WTF $140,000?????? Not enjoying CR's hyper focus on EV's.....they are unaffordable to the average consumer PLUS they don't make much practical sense in northern climates. Would like to see CR take a realistic and consumer-supporting stance against EVs until they can make them more affordable and extend the driving ranges further.
Even though EVs still aren’t ideal for many people, every day they are getting closer to that goal. Compare what you can get today vs 5 years ago - many more choices, more affordable, longer range. That will continue.
The version they ordered is $100k, yet they said $200k. Hmm...
CR isn't "hyper focused" on Ev's. They (and Motor Trend, Car & Driver, etc) are reporting on what is just coming out. Like it or not, what is coming out are more and more EV's. Very few brand new vehicles will be strictly ICE vehicles in the next 5 years.
Buying an EV right now is just for vanity, why expending almost 100,000 dollars or more for EV when you can buy a very reliable and good car for around 40,000 dollars or less, in other words, you can buy a car for yourself and another one for you wife and not only one. They want you to go "green," but the truth is that EV are not eco-friendly, as many people think, and they are very expensive (made for rich people). Also, right now, the infrastructure for EV is not ready to the majority of the people.
I want one because I grew up in the 60s reading about the future of EVs in Popular Science and Popular Mechanics. The future is finally here, and I want to experience briefly what I'll be missing.
You can buy a Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt for a less expensive option. I charge at home and a EV works well for my needs, but may not work for everyone.
There’re several EVs that are priced at or below ICE cars, or maybe just a little above. Tesla is not the only EV maker.
I own a Tesla Model 3 that I bought for $46k and with fuel and maintenance savings it ends up being as expensive to own as a $30k ICE vehicle. In two years of ownership I've never once been nervous about where I'd charge, as Tesla chargers are everywhere. And EVs are so much more eco friendly than ICE. Including battery production, a Model 3 becomes more environmentally friendly after about 20k miles driven. Even if powered 100% from coal it's somewhere around double that. Google lifetime comparison of ICE vs EVs, there's plenty of great info for you.
The Chevy Bolt starts at $25,600., so not all EV's are expensive.
CR - FACTS are, Peter Rawlinson was NEVER EVER Chief anything @ TESLA motors.
Peter came on , after the Model S prototype was built.
Peter , was only VP of the model S prototype , getting it ready for Production.
Peter , only worked on the BODY and Chassis
Peter did not UNDERSTAND Software or Vehicle computers & ADAS.
Peter , UNDERPERFORMED @ Tesla and was FIRED for not Completing the Model S in time for Production.
Peter , left Tesla and model S UNFINISHED state.
TESLA had to find someone to FINISH the model S , in time for Production.
Peter is a SUBSTANDARD Engineer.