WoW Classic Has A Big Problem | Asmongold Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- WoW Classic is Dying. (Not clickbait)
People are done with WoW Classic and this is exactly the Reason why.
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I love Classic Vanilla because you can complete a class fully with BIS gear and then make another class to do it all over again. There is a sense of completion and the community is great. That being said, I'm all for Classic Vanilla + along the lines of OSRS.
This is probably a really dumb question but what’s the difference between classic and vanilla?
@tclfan0180 vanilla is the original version, classic is basically a re-release.
its hard to make a themepark like WoW really anything like osrs, because runescape is a sandbox.
@@Triqkshot Gonna be honest, it doesn't really matter. The only reason people still think there's a HUGE difference between vanilla and classic is because nostalgia, it was released in 2004 and most people know it as the OG game
@@Triqkshot vanilla is the original version of wow, what about what I said is incorrect? Classic is not the same as vanilla. Right now wrath is the current xpac for "classic" wow I am very well aware of this. Why do you want to start an argument on such a trivial thing?
Everything is dying always, that's life.
Does energy?
@pope1089 everything ALIVE dies.... "do rocks die?" You have to be alive to die...
That's deep lil bro
It is what it is
My god you're deep
Old School Runescape figured out pretty early on that people didn't want to simply replay old content - they wanted to play a living game in the world and setting that they enjoyed, not a simple re-release machine.
His rant about wanting to beat the game and be done with it was standing ovation worthy. No need for endless grind.
but there sadly is a need. Kottick's wallet. The longer he keeps you subbed with arbitrary grinds, the more money he gets.
one of things i've noticed about the game since Legion. You're punished for taking a break :(
Yeah
If it wasn't a MMO
I mean sure Blizzard _reshaped_ what it is to be an MMO, but before an MMO was meant to be grind.
But not competitive grind, oh no. It was meant to be a grind to just do a trivial chore with like 2 neurons of brain power, while you're doing school work on the sides. Think of a cookie clicker game, but a lot more social.
Mind you I'm explaining MMO in like, early 1990s. Early 2000s it was already taking shape to be something else.
Basically if you were looking for an MMO? You were actively looking for a home-away-from-home game. The mindset of "beat the game and be done with it" was retrograde to what an MMO wanted you to do.
There’s never a need for the endless grind, players have just always chosen to do it.
And he's wrong about that. There is nothing to do in Dragonflight and the game is dead because of it. Absolutely no content. Assbaldmald should just come to the conclusion that wow just isnt for him anymore but he keeps looking for some weird reasons instead.
@@Nightstalker314 you make a good point and it's partially why i insist that they keep the specific classic realms active so people can catch up still.
this lesson dates all the way back to the original vanilla naxx-bc issue in that there was just not enough time between naxx's launch and bc's launch for the public to absorb.
“I love cata raids? Sure but here you are at 2am watching a video about an expansion that came out 10 years ago, so you really think your the average player?” Had me dead, asmon is so funny off the cuff sometimes lmaooo
He’s 100% correct though that the game becoming actually difficult alienated a large chunk of the casual player base. Cataclysm was a very good expansion in terms of leveling through the zones, the dungeons being rewarding, and the raid content being challenging. A lot of hardcore Pvp players have stated cataclysm arena was the height of the arena scene and being a competitive player at the time I have to agree. The game was very good, people just don’t like change and a lot of people wanted the community, not the challenge.
With my 30 years and a job, the last thing I want is to have another job grinding in game. You log in, do daily hc, maybe few dungs with friends, log for raid spend couple of hours blasting and continue with your life. That's more than enough content for me. I played it regularly since start of the classic, will play it till the end of the expansion and maybe even if it resets. Never got bored, or felt like I need more.
I second this!
I actually can't believe how many people used to rant about WoW dying back in ORIGINAL Wrath.. And now 15 years in the future we're in Wrath classic and people are ranting about Classic dying
🤣
Because there is like, 3 really bad expacs - WoD, BfA and Shadowlands. Everything else is either ok or good. But in 2023 WoW is a dead game, it is way too outdated. People don't need MMO these days.
I have no desire to play retail (or anything really beyond Cata). I am finding myself more interested in Hardcore (at least until I saw what happened on Four Horseman) as I am a casual player and would find it a fun challenge to see how far I could get before dying. Classic had its problems, not the least of which was unbalanced classes and meme specs, but it had a charm to it that I enjoy and find myself coming back to time and again. I would like some quality of life changes (shorter CD on hearthstones, a flightpoint in Northern Stranglethorn for Alliance, that sort of thing). I am far more likely to continue playing Classic Vanilla in any of its incarnations than I am the retail expansions.
Can I ask a question? Why does the 4Horseman grief make you less interested in hardcore? Do you think you're going to be in a similar position?
@@marthfan
Haha yeah seriously
@@marthfan He's less interested not because he'll ever get there, but because it represents a level of griefing that possible for players to do, where one person can wipe out all that time investment you've put into your character. Griefing just you is one thing, but multiplying it across tens of people, quite another.
I think if you could play all the old world games as they were released and then move you characters into retail, I’d be up for that. I didn’t get to play those expacs. I would love to play them but I don’t want to give up my collections.
As i said under that video: that's every mmo. You clear the latest content and you have two choice: farming or gtfo and wait for new content. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.
The lore of davidepannone6021, historians have studied it extensively and there’s an enormous archive of their best posts, as we all remember.
@@Paangu 😂😂😂😂
yea its just kinda bad
@@mcdick1621 it's just how MMO are structured. It's nothing new and it's intrinsic of the genre when you reach end game content.
Completely fine for buy once to play. If im subbing fuck that give me content round the clock
21:00 I always loved WoW PvP. I was never into PvE unless it was questing or dungeons just to get higher level for more abilities for funner PvP. I just returned to retail after not playing for 4 years, and it's a lot of fun. The game is currently so alt friendly ATM that if the meta shifted so drastically that my class didn't stand a chance it gives me a reason to master and level another class, and do expansion content I never did to max out another toon. Also the skill gap is high enough that the meta shift has to be really drastic to have an effect on my QOL as that class
I'm actually completely new to WoW as of Classic. I tried the game out a few times over the years and always felt so lost and left behind. I always said that I wish I was there from the beginning. Vanilla Classic wow release gave me that opportunity. Same thing with a friend of mine. I am having fun collecting rare mounts and going through the content. I was farming winterspring frostsaber with the first person to achieve it in my server back in 2019. It was a blast! Did a lot of research to learn about the game of course though. I wasn't able to play during BC but just came back and playing through BC and WoTLK content now, taking my time. It's fun but I wish the LFG worked cross-realm so I could play through the raids. I feel like I missed out on the experience again but at least I am here for wrath and some TBC is still ran for mounts and achievements. I hope to tag along sometime.
I'd go back and play Wrath Classic if they had RDF. It was getting difficult to find a group for regular dungeons a few months after launch, never mind not being quite geared enough for heroic groups after hitting fresh 80. LFR can gtfo, but RDF this late in Wrath classics life cycle would be very much welcomed.
RDF should exist for all non-relevant dungeons (Vanilla, TBC, Normal WotLK, Heroic WotLK and Heroic-Alfa WotLK). Only Heroic-Beta should require the LFG. This helps to clear a gap that would otherwise require to buy a ticket run to T7 or T8. Specially now that HeroB dungeons don't drop 80-Hero items like Cynanigosa's caster trinket in VH or the Meteorite in UP, but yet you still would have to burn your daily Heroic save to have a chance at it.
They need competing avenues to the gold-gated ways of gearing, whenever they are game-created or community-created. This would specially amazing for people playing alts or for people in dead servers.
@@KelvinUTUB I 110% agree. We can only hope that blizz stumbles on the merit of this and we see it sometime before ICC. 🤞
So force people into groups with shit players? No thanks, I'd like to see who's in my group before I lock it in
@@-.-Monsterzero affect on the game
Wrath raiding was some of the most fun raids I’ve been in. After that, everything just went to the garbage and felt like work. I didn’t even make it to Dragonflight raids due to the overwhelming amount of systems you have to get through to gear up.
Overwhelming amount of systems, it's like, what? I literally couldn't decide what class should I pick and geared DK, Hunter and Warlock in a week or something like that. And I'm working as a nurse at the resuscitation. Still stoped playing thou, cause my friends don't want to play arena, and, arena is like the whole point or WoW for me (but I was gearing for raids first, cause I wanted to try them out)
BFA Classic will save the day.
Can't wait for Shadowlands
BFA was my favorite expansion. After BFA blizz started Turbo producing D!CkSalads and nonstop drip feeding us salads with c0cKs in them ever since. I loved corruptions man. I was a no ice lance mage hitting big 10Million glacial spikes. I loved bfa foreal. Yea PVP islands were trash
I love that I can just fuck off from FF14 for months comeback and catch up instantly. I have no intentions to coming back until 2024 since 2023 has so many damn great games
What games?
Interested on what you guys playing , just finished valheim an Diablo 4 again iv returned to wow classic era servers this time , seems to be a loop I can’t break
@@ElevatedLevetatorStarfield, Baldur’s Gate 3, and Mario RPG Remake come to mind beyond Tears of the Kingdom which I still haven’t finished. And that’s just for an RPG fiend like myself. So much stuff coming.
@@mccoyrj452 baldurs gate will be dope!
@@ElevatedLevetator Hogwarts
D4
FF16
Octopath 2
Warhammer 40K Boltgun
Jedi Survivor
ToTK
FE:Engage
HiFi Rush
SF6
Advanced Wars 1+2
Dead Island 2 and theere's still a fuck ton more releasing
A series of community events like massive world pvp battles in the arathi highlands and other world pvp zones, a whole community led war story that can be streamed sounds like it would help with player boredom and needing something to do as well as revitalize passion for the PVP scene. It could be turned into an event that can be looked back on in WoW history like the old days of leeroy jenkins or the infamous funeral crash. PVP in WoW used to mean something, i remember wanting to play WoW for years because of the PVP. The passion died before I got to the game and it’s sad to see. So many people cheat or just farm for BiS because they want to be “the best” or for “the flex” hardly anybody ever plays the game for the love of the game anymore. I want to bring back that soul back to WoW.
servers cant handle mass world pvp battles anymore its a shitty lag party, somehow they could handle it 18 years ago but now they cant.
@@naquan59 im talking about classic wow not retail, i played original classic wow and i had moments when there was 40 vs 40 people killing each other in blackrock infront of the raid and it wasnt lagging. Classic re release is the SAME game, same spells, same armor everything is the same and still u cant even fight 10vs10 without 1 fram per second
I left classic in phase 4 and have refused to come back until LFD is added into the game. I don't care about server identity... I just want to be able to play a dungeon whenever I want with no hassle period!
Heroic 5 mans in Cata were amazing BUT I do believe that maybe they should have not been a launch thing for the sake the general playerbase OR there could have been a few more roads to some heroic 5man gear to help soften the entry into them.
shame what happened with them in MoP :(
Cata was the reason i quit wow.
I loved the pre nerf catta heroics. Everyone whined and complained about them because you had to cc some mobs and not hit them or kick specific casts
All of those things are basic things to do for pvp and I like to see some crossover
what is amazing about them? no one enjoys dungeon content in wow outside of leveling 1-60 and mythic+, cata heroics are neither, they're just springboards to prebis and raiding
Pre-nerf cata heroics were amazing, they actually gave some challenge and were a good stepping stone to raiding. Players were just too used to the original wotlk dungeons being a complete joke that when Cata hit many quit cus they couldnt handle it.
@@HarrDarr A huge amount of players do heroic++ every day in wotlk classic, what are you on about? And yes heroics are a springboard, thats what they were designed to be, but it doesnt mean its not enjoyable to do. It seems your view is distorted by retail, as well all know Cata heroics will most likely inherit the wotlk dungeon style of becoming hc+ and hc++ over patch cycles. That means content stays relevant.
I honestly believe those that shit on Cata heroics either only did them way later on when they were nerfed to the ground, or simply could not handle them as a fresh 80 and blamed the game for it instead of themselves.
I feel like his take on "servers" specifically being an issue WoW has, is one that I haven't heard him expand on before personally... and I don't think he could possibly be more accurate! It has been one of the strangest limitations, locked behind a pay-wall that can randomly be removed at Blizzard's discretion, and that has never solved faction balance issues for over a full decade!!
Please speak more on this topic in the next sermon, Lord Asmon!!!
Right, at first I kinda wanted to say that there were technical limitations, like some things might be hard-coded to only work with servers, but Layering technology has been in use for at least 10+ years now. On top of that the AH, trading, and cross-faction stuff is all becoming more unified, so there is a lot of progress being made to get rid of servers entirely. Its just that there is 0 financial incentives to getting rid of servers because they probably still make quite a bit of money off of server transfers.
i preferred private server megaservers with 10-20k+ pop for vanilla
you have the server community, but you're not running into a lack of players.
no sharding. when 1.12 with zero lag could do it it's hilarious blizzard failed and resorted to layer zzz.
The more collectibles there are in the game, the less value each collectible has.
When you have just a few mounts, then getting a new one becomes a huge thing.
When there is 3000 mounts, getting a new one might as well remain unnoticed.
Even finding a WotLK Dungeon group can be rough!
During Joyous Journeys it was okay, but without it’s pretty bad.
I’m on Benediction, btw… can’t even imagine the non-mega server struggle.
11:53 i was one of the people who got into WoW through classic, quite a few of my friends did as well. Tried retail a couple times but it just felt like leveling up was a rat race trying to catch up to where my friends were at instead of enjoyable
You enjoy once you get there
@@drugbustin "Once you get there" several months later, because once you reach max level you still need to grind for weeks upon weeks to do any meaningful content. No one in their right mind would do that.
@@mr.meatsoup5639 That's your perspective though man... people game for different reasons. Some people actually enjoy the grind... Some people enjoy the late game and don't mind enduring the grind to get there.. Infact it makes the late game more enjoyable for them and they treasure that part of the game as they invested so much into getting there and understand the effort it takes for another person to do the same thing ect...
@@drugbustin "enduring the grind" so you acknowledge its bad, yet think a new player would choose to play the game cus its good once he "endures" months of mindless grinding. Cool. If you ask me, someone thats new to wow should play classic wotlk first. Its far better towards beginners and actually doesnt feel like wasting your time on arbitrary end game powers, instead you can just hop on a Naxx group and off you go
Cata would be an insane decision, just play retail if you want that
I don't wanna auto scale zones with same lvl mobs
No. Cata was amazing compared to dragonflight. Everything after wod is garbage.
cata and retail are nothing alike. loll
@@1takeJonescata sucked, dragonflight must be really terribad lol
Cata seems like the safest option because they can dish out another round of deluxe editions and boosts.
Cataclysm would do well with a fresh launch. It never got a good run when it released because people were no longer leveling so if people start from 1 there I think the zones would have a better chance to shine post world revamp.
Imagine the possibilities of Classic+, just the idea of a Deadmines or BRD Heroic for very specialized loot warms me up inside.
(The timekeepers F'd up and in this timeline you and your mates never showed up in Westfall, so Edwin vanCleef went unchallenged and grew his influence.)
I really hope they do some revamp that breaks the mold this world has been stuck in for 20 years.
I always thought that's what Cata's old world heroics were going to be but sadly they changed those dungeons.
I wanted a Heroic Mr Smite fight so badly. Tauren dont get enough love as bosses in WoW
Anyone who thinks classic + is ever gonna happen is mentally challenged
For Classic+, Blizzard should build horizontally and NOT vertically like they always did. They can make Wow great again, and even better than it ever was
Honestly i never thought i would miss dungeon finder until my only time i have available to play is when NO ONE else is online in my server.... His points about servers is 1000% correct... Maybe have 2 regional servers like east and west because of the time difference but that's it.
Yeah not adding dungeon finder was fucking dumb.
Back in cataclysm my guild was a 10m casual/raid we raid two nights a week for 3hrs a night no more. We clear heroic raids like 4months after people 1st clear it. WoW is more fun when you don't make it a 2nd job.
I dont care about viewer attention on pvp, I want fun pvp, not an esport, there is plenty of depth in mmo pvp, more often more than other games. Def needs more care and updates. I hate how warcraft has no semblance of war in it anymore
I agree that it's ok to just finish a game, but I do wish wow had a bit more side content. You know, fun content that has nothing to do with making your character stronger. My favorite skyrim dlc is hearthfire for that exact reason. It wasn't a quest to save the world or get a legendary artifact, it was literally just "build a house." It's not a perfect match for what I'm talking about thanks to the garden that lets you grow alchemy ingredients, but I think it mostly fits. To be clear, I'm not advocating for garrisons, because garrisons were not houses. They were city replacements.
Really great points. In any story, there is a beginning, middle, and ending. Wow is bad about letting players have a good ending, seemingly because they want us to keep logging in. Evidence suggests it causes frustration in the long run.
I do not see why they created Hardcore. You can always play die = delete even in retail. It's called the Ironman Challenge.
they really really need to add RDF. that will make leveling fun and fresh at least.
As a variety gamer it always confused me why people went so ballistic over content droughts.
Feels like most WoW players would rather run around in circles in the main city, waiting for the next patch, than possibly considering playing other games in the meantime.
No game can hold the attention of an average player for eternity the way people expect WoW to.
Also, for context, I'm a semi-hardcore raider so it's not like I do the new questlines then peace. I'll play the game a lot when a patch comes out, then as I run out of things to do, I just log for raids/guild m+ groups, and play other games. Never gotten burnt out since Cata.
"People want more to do than raid/pvp"
Bro this is exactly how we got retail with a bunch of menial crap we were forced to do to keep us logged in all the time. How are the same mistakes being made a decade and a half later???
As somone who has never played wow (except for the free trial) my biggest issue is the subscription. Personally it never feels worth it to pay money for a game that you never actually own.
You pay for customer support... Ohhh shit
this is 2023, no one owns any game... you simply rent it until the company no longer wishes to support it. you think you own it because you have a disc? the company can simply hotfix your console to remove or block whatever they wish on the disc. so unless you dont plan on ever connecting your PC or Console to the internet ever, which gimps the majority of things on it, you dont own shit.
I’d say it’s worth it, right now Classic era realms are popping off not just the HC realm and Dragonflight is a pretty good expansion, story is kinda boring (imo) lol but as far as dungeons and late game stuff it’s super easy to get catch up gear I’ve also noticed a lot more friendlier people that will help compared to previous years. WoTLK Classic is kinda dead for leveling atm but I’m sure if they were to add dungeon finder it will see an increase of players.
@@Shiirowyeah but there’s definitely a difference in a 5-10 year old game that was 60$ losing support and losing access to your account because you don’t pay your 67th 10 dollar subscription
@TsunzucchiniTzatzikiSanyou’re annoying asf 😂
We need vanilla+ with class updates e.g paladin with a taunt.
A “lack of content” can be a symptom of playing too damn much. There’s plenty of content
classic servers should just branch off after Wrath and make completely different expansions but keeping more in line with the classic feel and everything that makes it amazing and different than retail. People would end up purchasing both expansions retail and classic expansions.
pvp in e.g. alterac valley was also about movement and sneakyness. As a rogue, move into their base... Even though combat was relatively straight forward, griefing your enemies and outmanouver them was part of the experience.
They were hard because Dungeon Finder ruined dedicated dungeon grouping and the complete cessation of needing CC in dungeon in Wrath.
Only problem I have had with wow is that it either drops a new expanaion or resets the servers or some other bs as soon as I reach max lvl and am ready to get raiding etc. Just have one server at vanilla, one at tbc and one at wotlk and have them stay there. That way I can explore and enjoy each fully.
And it will take me like 10 years
Dark Age of Camelot was the last MMO that did PvP right: massive scale, it served a purpose, and it was fun. And no matter how OP your class was in 1:1 it didn't matter if 50 people trampled over you. And in DAoC we talk about PvP battles of 1000 vs 1000 on a regular basis. Guess how much it matters that you play the OP class of the month with OP raid gear if there are 1000 enemies chasing you. And guess what: because of that it is so fun that people still play DAoC PvP up to today, even though the game is mostly dead.
The pvp argument, I got glad in wrath. I have 0 interest in doing it again. In 2009/10 it wasn't about skill.
I literally just grinded arena until I won enough to get the rating. Making sure I qued when the actual good players weren't. It wasn't hard. It was kinda easy for me, a high school kid at the time
How can you kill that what has no life.
You stay in the forest…killing boars.
They NEED to drop end game solo content on retail for this game to be popular again.
People might have 45 minutes to play the game in one instance and they want to do a dungeon let's say, they log in the game, they spend 15 minutes in dungeon finder, don't get invited and exit game, because there's clearly not enough time left. Instead of playing the game, they look at a screen hopeless.
I experienced this a lot of times and I am easily going through end game content whenever I invest the time. I just don't always want to grind the dungeon finder "Find group" button.
Easy fix would be to give a separate solo M+ like thing that rewards same as group m+. Make it harder than grouping so that's harder for those with no time or friends in game to get rewarded, but give them the chance to play the game without frustrations of being left outside.
Look at how well the solo shuffle is doing. And it would do a lot better if queues weren't 15-20 minutes long. I for one enjoyed solo shuffle at the beginning of the expansion when I was putting enough time into the game, but right now playing it more casually, I'm not going to wait 15-20 minutes in queue just for someone to leave in the second round.
I still can't believe they didn't add a 2v2 version of this so that players don't have to wait 15-20 minutes for a healer to pop out in their queue. It's crazy they don't act on their issues.
18:12, i can think of one person who does care about pvp. i loved the talent system & pvp in cata. talents were really streamlined and perfect, all the extra fat was trimmed, and classes were really balanced and botttom of the barrel classes like rouges and mages were revamped significantly. best pvp scene in wow history imo. 10/10 expansion for pvp and talents system.
i do agree that story was hit and miss and pve was really hard. but i don't care. i like hard raids and i love pvp. and cataclysm had the best pvp, so i definitely want it in classic and i want it to be the last one !
jeah cata pvp was best
Retail lost grip of all rpg elements
Sinestra and Ragnaros H were literally guild killers... And then we got Spine.
The difference between WoW and FFXIV is FFXIV has a ton of shit to do outside of raid progression; treasure maps, gold saucer, fishing expeditions, deep dungeons, and housing to name a few.
Vanilla, TBC and WotLK are the classic era of WoW imho.
right now, personally, i am enjoying df tbf, im getting the sense of having a goal. im a noob so idk if there is a infinite grind in the game, but I'm progressing quick and consistently. the latest patch having a bunch of qol is nice also.
1pm on a friday BDO has 31k viewers. It has good enough pvp to have people coming back again and again. It has like 7 different kinds of pvp that all have regulars, and 1 of those is a seasonal thing with gear equalized coming back later this month that people been begging for. People love it, play only it, and have for years, and it has been getting better and better. I like to watch it but I haven't tried to learn, but I must admit that it is a bit hard to follow if you don't know what you are looking at. That is probably an issue for more complex games, but especially with the revamps and new influx of people, I expect for that to continue to improve as we get into winter.
I don't respect legendary weapons. The raids and content to get them are all easy and can be outgeared. The legendary items just go to the raid/guild leader (whoever can use it) instead of who deserves it. And even if it doesn't go to said leaders, it likely goes to whoever sucked them off the hardest.
Why does wrath pvp have less players? More people played during wrath and experienced what wotlk pvp has to offer. It’s as simple as that. Less people got to experience tbc so they were more curious and willing to sit through the grind.
No Moba/FPS can replace Mass PvP that you can experience in games that provide Sieges/Battlegrounds etc, but yes WOW got best raiding system from all of the MMOS and for sure people prefer to PVE then PVP inside WOW.
I can’t believe nobody has made a better MMO than classic wow yet. Fucking video game industry sucks ass these days.
Guild wars 2 is by far better than classic and imo better than retail aswell. That is if you dont mind horizontal progression
I'm so amazed people are bitching about the new heroic modes, as he says in this vid, not being able to get the 10m raid gear and raid emblems + essence would make heroics literal graveyards 24/7
as a new player in WoW, i was recently playing WoW classic just now, enjoying it and now i see this video talking negatively about the game LMAO the server where im playing is doing fine and i am actually having a blast i really dont get the media
hardcore for me isnt about the end game, its the lvling. i got my character pre raid bis and 60 and basically said ok i won. anyone going after kt is just asking for it.
I love the duality of WoW players, players get bored and want more things to do, then in future expansions they do just that, and then those same players complain about the new content. As someone who still plays WOTLK regularly, I think the amount of content right now is fine, especially when you aren't wearing all of your BIS yet. You have several raids to run each week while you gear up, pvp, heroic ++ dungeons, argent tournament, etc.
The problem is retail just doesnt feel good anymore, the abilities and spells dont feel good to press and on top of that its too complex.
@@quetz6335 I mean its the same on classic too lol.
@@quetz6335 I'd argue that the classes feel better on retail, at least that's my opinion for DK's. I don't know about other classes though. But content wise you're not wrong, the content on retail just feels so much more hollow than on classic for me.
@@quetz6335 Would love to know when the last time you raided heroic let alone mythic in retail was with this statement. Nothing about Dragonflight has felt bad the entire expack. I think most people with this take have little to no in game time.
Another salad with cocksin it. Thanks Bobby
I agree with Asmon about servers needing to be left in the dust. They already have sharding trchnology thay effectively makes mini servers inside existing servers. The ONLY exceptions should be for RP and PVP. Have one normal mega server, one RP mega server, and one PVP mega server.
For those who want more goals to throw their characters at in Classic:
You are litterally asking for Retail, and proving JAB right.
Classic had way more to do than wotlk between raids and it's less retail than wotlk
@@ginz9r yeah but what it had was dogshit. The consumable and WB grind is absolutely atrocious. And the honor grind is also absolutely terrible in Classic.
On point. Sure, retail is not perfect and never will be, but there is so much more stuff to do, classes play so much smoother and are tons more fun, you can literally make the game as difficult as you want it, with m+ and raid difficulties on one side, or choosing anything between retribution and demonology on the other. I think people just want to feel the same as when they were kids, but sorry to break it to you, you grew older, deal with reality...
I wish they just added more new raiding content in classic... Thats it. and also more mounts lul
@@Ennar wait... I just started a lock on retail and was planning to go demo... Should I not? 😯
I agree on the raiding topic, I will try M+ once but if it's too difficult I just go random heroic for some decent gear and that's enough for me... Than I have time for soloing old dungeons and raids for mog items and mounts and other stuff I want to have 🤷♂️ I'm busy enough with all the alts, rep farming, dailies, new patches, mount farming and sometimes just chilling and visiting old spots or doing old quests I never finished. I don't get people who want to tell me they're bored 🤔
I’ve said it many times before and I’ll say it again. WoW Classic CANNOT mimic OSRS. Hardcore? Sure. Ironman? Okay. Ultimate? Why not. But WoW only has so many updates it can put out on repeat until things get repetitive and boring.
WoW Classic/BC/Wrath will die because Blizz doesn’t make unique content updates to keep players interested, but by that time you also cross the line of “no changes Classic”.
14:44 This is one of those takes that’s subjective
I walk around dalaran on my server in my tier 2.5 gear, titan gripping both sulfuras and thunderfury, with Naxx 40 gear I acquired during vanilla classic, and people like seeing that old shit still. When someone has thoridal, you know they’ve got stories about that shitshow of a raid sunwell. Or when someone has the insane title they have no life at all and too much gold to burn on heavy junkboxes and darkmoon decks
I feel like Classic is from Vanilla to WoTLK, Cata was the beginning of what became the core of what we have in retail. It's a very different game, you could also argue that Mists was the final nail in what Classic was. So are they planning on just making it "WoW Progression" as they keep layering xpacs till it catches up with retail? I thought classic was going to be a server that stays frozen in time to that xpac specifically.
Wrath is a retail lite. More than cata, and in my opinion this is the reason there are less players than tbc.
I mean classic era is a thing there is a server frozen in time that's where all of the hardcore hype is around, having classic era as a time capsule is fine but having the main classic progression servers continue through the expansions is a good idea imo and if people quit or stop playing then blizzard can decide when its time to call it quits and make a new one.
I'm going to disagree with the Classic collections, I run around Dal with my Corrupted Ashbringer and I always get whispers about it.
8:00 street fighter 6 straight up just lets you choose the server, any of the hundreds of servers across the entire world
i can login into japanese servers right now and have a laggy match if i want, using the same character of course
Mounts (were achievements in the past). When they were level appropriate. Flexing privileges no longer apply.
I kind of disagree, while not many people do pvp in BDO, it is the carrot on the stick. While in reality the only pvp you do is duels on a trial char or none at all, the reason you grind is that you eventually pvp. Obviously you never actually do but that doesn't matter.
The classic realms will always have this issue. Same thing with osrs. People wanted it to be exactly as it was (me included) but then later realized without new stuff to do it gets old. I wonder how wow would do if instead of cata they started to do something similar to osrs. Poll new updates, the ones with majority of votes get added, etc. I didn't think it'd work with osrs and how toxic that community can be.. but it did there, so maybe wow would do well to do the same
Cataclysm was unironically a fucking magnificent expansion if you weren’t already burnt out on raiding. Yes it killed the pug scene. As a complete noob who never raided pre wotlk and pugged all of icc, cata was a breathe of fresh air. I tried pugging BWD and it was fucking brutal. Eventually joined a guild and worked my way up to a semi-hardcore guild. The pace at which I improved as a player was insane. Everything was so challenging and killing bosses felt like a real achievement. But maybe I was just a noob and hadn’t discovered that even at the highest difficulty nothing in the game is actually difficult and raiding boils down to waiting for your worst player to finally figure out wtf is going on lol.
Cata heroics and dungeons made or broke a lot of players. People bitched about LK being too easy and Blizzard was like "You want it hard? Here you go!" and proceeded to make it the most unforgiving shit you could think of. Even casual raid guilds were booting players for fuck ups on that expansion.
I really enjoy classic (vanilla) and I dont need nor want it to be different. I have yet to progress further than AQ20 because I have a life I need to tend to. But I sincerely intend to progress further than that. I would appreciate it if the game simply stayed where its at so I can i play it instead of reseting/fresh servers or some new variation of the game all the time.
I strongly think that them releasing a Hardcore Server will last for only so long before it dies out.
Classic Wrath is dying but Classic Era Vanilla numbers have held steady and went up drastically in May.
It's pretty simple they need to create more stuff to do at endgame past T3 in vanilla classic, the vast majority of people don't give a shit if they do classic plus it's only a small vocal minority that think it's like anti-establishment to not want it.
They also need to introduce heroic dungeons so there's a way to catch up once people stop running the pre molten core dungeons.
classic wrath doesn't have the benefit of OG wrath where servers were better balanced, and you could do world PvP and that would take up hours for me within the week inbetween raids. Servers are just all 1 faction now and it sucks.
I remember whisper a priest the first time i saw benediction. The weapon looked so cool. Now that kind of OMG moments, are gone. For me. Am sure new ppls have them.
Cata raids weren't that bad, they were just a huge item check. People tried to go straight into newer content trying to use their old gear and they got smoked.
Heroic dungeons were a joke with a rogue and a hunter for CC. You just needed to plan your group comp when people were used to speed running regulars.
-Furby the Warrior
Why not mage for cc
@scotland2256 any dual/triple cc comp with a healer would work, I just always speed ran a Hunter through because he needed the gun...
Sheep, sap, hell even a succubus would work... the heroic dungeons were a joke once you figured them out and learned how to pull the groups... people just didn't want to take the time to mark a full group every pull and it only takes one bad room to wipe you...
It was unforgiving, but super simple at the same time...
I like H+ but after the first 4 weeks of it people only really do the daily and it takes lile 45 mins to an hour to get a group going on a full server for any other one you wanna do. So spamming them isnt really an option which blows bc im an enchanter and i would stand to profit a lot. I prefer 5 mans instead of raid leading simply bc its less time i have to dedicate to the game.
Takes 10 min tops to fill on grobulous
Its time for fresh. Blizzard is so out of touch they can't be trusted to make Classic+, Season of We have no idea what we're doing etc. Rerelease fresh vanilla. Ideally with progressive itemization.
What's the difference between classic wow and retail wow? As none wow player "retail" wow keeps getting mentioned but What's retail wow and regular wow and classic wow? 🤔
Idk man honestly 14:42 I go around inspecting people all the time because of what they have and look like. I DO msg people and I know it puts a smile on their face and EVERYONE has seemed so freaking helpful I'm honestly probably never going back to retail until I have to
I played right when BFA was coming out and I didn't play shadowlands and I've only created a character for dragonflight.
Classic feels like a better game to me as its not constantly throwing stuff at me and makes me feel like I actually achieve something.
Cata raids and HC Dungeons are still BIS and were fucking hard back then. They were hard not unreal. But you wiped in heroic dungeons consntaly. Needed cc and a team to coordinate. Raids were next lvl coming from wrath. Cata while not being remember fondly was super fun back then just lasted too long and the last raid was not great.
the pvp rankings u saw were only the rankings from weak 1 of season 2 xD
Maybe the vanilla version but finally some class balance would bring me back
imo people played classic for vanilla wow through WOTLK
PvP in Wow its like boats into bottles. Hard to do, cool to see it once, maybe you buy one, but very few are going to collect them and less are the people that are going to make it
Thanks for the unintentional shoutout! Very much appreciated.
Friendly reminder that the nostalrius private server was able to have 200+ people on screen with no lag AT ALL.
As said before it WoW pvp competitive scene ended as soon as other alternatives came along - LoL, csgo, etc....you really had to be there during the tbc/wrath days to know how big it used to be
The most boring thing about WOTLK is that the everyday content e.g. heroics etc... are too easy. Yea, heroics in TBC had just the right difficulty. In WOTLK you can faceroll them in quest greens.
If i'm gonna do a grind e.g. heroic tokens. I would rather do a grind that offers at least some challenge rather than a grind I can faceroll but it just takes a long time.
the mmoPvP part should work more like in guild wars where you have a balanced gear you can swap out and use only in PvP, and be different from PvE gear. but you can get rewards to help you out in PvE to make it interesting for PvE players to test out, or PvP players to use the gear and test out PvE. I also agree BG's in vanilla classic had at times fun social aspects. if you manage to ignore the nagging people who told everyone else they suck.
PvP was ruined when they introduces Arena, thus starting to balance classes based on their 1on1 fights vs the other classes.... So they literally tested a mage against all classes and had to meet a certain level of equality, making sure a mage could handle all classes....
In vanilla certain classes just didn't have a chance, because obviously a simple man with a 2 handed axe is not gonna be able to handle a mage. A warrior should NEVER be able to handle a mage.
Don't care about your feelings, World of Warcraft Altrac valley was peak PVP in MMORPG.
I think one of the big things thats killing wrath is that gdkps still exist, nobody wants to lvl alts when it comes with a 100k gold price tag to get gear just for that gear to then be entirely useless because there is no content that's difficult. I still feel like they could have done so much more with the heroic+ content they did for dungeons, would love to have seen a endless scaling system like M+ without the tedium of having to get keys the rewards wouldn't even need to be gear could literally be a title and mount and people would almost 100% do it especially if they added an ingame leaderboard for the top teams who completed each dungeon at the highest lvl feeding off the minmax nature of classic players is almost 100% the way to go instead of trying to appease the people who wanna just raid log and pretend like they are 15 years younger.
What about Warlords of Draenor, did people beat the game that's why they had nothing to do? I completed FF14 MSQ and the end game content and felt like I had nothing to do too. I was cool with them either way, I can try out other things.
He is 100%, When I was completely done with my main back in Wraith, I had all the Tier Gear I wanted to get. I felt Great starting a ALT to Complete Them.
I think BFA and Dragonflight are well designed expacks. Dragonflights mechanics and gameplay were done a lot better than BFA. But world, character and quest design is vastly improved compared to previous expacks. The design philosophy of the more "retail" expacks is to urgently funnel people to end-game. The blowback is that it ruins the open world feel of the game and the rpg/mmo design loses some of the lustre that made it so appealing in Vanilla.