As a GT86 owner myself, I think the problem with Ben's launches is that TC was not fully off, so the computer kept cutting power in the wet. When you press the TC off button once, it only turns off part of the TC (which is what Ben did). To further disable control, you will need to hold the button for 3 sec. And for older model such as the one in this video, you will need to do the pedal dance to fully turn off all electronic control (except for ABS).
i leased one for three years and put an hks air filter in it and some stickier tires, it was the most reliable and fun car i have owned, but the interior was kinda dull, i preferred when i upgraded to a gti, but i couldn't drift the gti like i could my scion fr-s(gt86)
The GT deserves respect in terms of reviving the original 86 but the GR gets the most respect as the performance is what the 86 should be in terms of today’s standards.
@@dennyklein1965 the entire point of the GT was to offer a car with a back to the 90s basic package, including its power output and the fact that some models have knob ac controls, the car was supposed to be a revival of the 90s sports coupe which I think it captures very well. Don’t believe me? Look it up
yeah it was the blueprint for what we have today. I wanted one a few years back, and tbh would still have one today if i had that sort of spare cash lying about. Car looks great and looks like loads of fun
Considering Ben gets a rubbish launch every time he drives a car on this channel, we definitely need to see a car swap to prove if it's the driver in one of these...is the Stig just rubbish at launching? I mean, it's not a main skill for him whereas launching cars is basically the only skill the Carwow team need most of the time!
Didn't have TC actually turned all the way off in the wet but I actually had this exact same thought before I realized. I mean Top Gear didn't exactly do drag races but I guess the laps had standing starts
Matt's gotten so skilled at launching a car for quarter mile racing, that I feel the rolling runs give a better measure of a car's performance against its competitors. That 2.4ltr is a nice improvement over the previous gen
That GR 86 is just so amazing! I know without the GT 86 there would be no GR 86, but the GR 86 seems like the TRUE modern AE86 but really I love them all, Toyota's 86 is my favorite line of cars ever. 🥰❤️
Just an Idea for future races. Maybe try changing the lanes where each car is between launches in the initial drag race. It will help us see if maybe the tarmac has anything to do with the times.
Track mode on the GR86 does not disable traction control, it allows for more wheel spin before cutting in. The stability program light comes on to indicate it’s not at its full potential and will allow the slide more before acting. Press and hold the t/c button with the sport mode button and it turns off everything and you can let the lsd diff do it’s job fully.
@@dingus3182I used to have a GT86 and I can tell you you’re very wrong and I assume you’ve never driven one so you’re saying that because of this video. Admittedly I never launched mine in the wet but launched perfectly well in the dry and it was so responsive, delivered its power really well through the revs and handled like a dream. Personally I think it looks better than the GR too.
Im from Australia and have ordered the new GR86, the aussies were late to the party, wasn't able to even order one till September last year. And 12month wait 😅. I managed to test drive both BRZ and GR86, found the 86 spoke to me more although maybe some bias as i work at a Toyota dealership. My first and current cars are Subaru's, still a subie fan. Also, I have a motorcycle now too.
Yea I’m in Australia, I’m a mechanic at a dealership. I’ve seen one GR86 on back of a truck and one on the streets. Yet I’ve seen probably like 30+ of the BRZ’s
These cars are not meant for drag, and it's meant for turns. They're similar in weight; obviously, the one with the most power will win. They should take these cars on a race track. Would love to see how these cars perform, and see how much difference they have considering how old the AE86 is.
@fastcars514 yes, it doesn't hurt to test these cars on a drag strip, but these cars doesn't shine in the dragstrip, so it's not using it's full potential. What this video should've done was test these cars on both to actually see the difference. Yes, I saw DK Tsuchiya using that kittycat on the touge. All it did was lose traction lol.
Love the AE86 and would have one over the new ones. The 4A-GE is a peach of an engine and was in the MK 1 MR2 I had and was a proper screamer mounted behind your head. More old school Toyotas please.
If you get a 20v in a ae86 you have to upgrade you transmission then ... i had 20v with stock tranny and it really lower the 20v potential , i mean , my bluetop with little work on the head was faster than my 20v coz of 5 speed
Would anyone else also choose hands down the AE86 over both the other cars... I think it held its own pretty well against the much more modern stuff! Love it. Edit: (I'd probably upgrade the brakes though)
From a fellow GT86 owner, you need 6000rpm to properly launch the car from that 2L because of the peak torque from the curve. Below that is the famous torque dip which you get nothing if you start off from there.
The reason the GT86 sounded better to Ben is that there is a resonator in the car from the engine to make it sound better for the passengers in the cabin. A bit of a cheat, but still real engine noise, manually tuned and piped into the cabin.
That AE86 is an excellent car even if it’s not fast and it’s overpriced due to being featured in Initial D. Even though it’s “just” an 80s Japanese econobox, it looks good, sounds good and has an amazing design. In a car like that, it’s about how many smiles per gallon it’s capable of. And who doesn’t love some good ole pop up headlights?
A seldom mentioned fact. The FA24 is not really a “bigger” engine, as far as size. The merely bored the existing block more. The walls are thinner. The outside dimensions are unchanged.. The torque peaks at like 3400 rpm vs 6600 I believe in the gt86. So obviously some other changes to the EFI etc were made to get that dynamic to be that different from that little additional displacement
I've been fortunate enough to have owned all 3 generations of this car. AE86 coupe when I was 18. GT86/FRS back when it first came out in 2013. And a year ago I bought the GR86.
The AE86 is still the best looking car there. That profile and the way it slopes back. Oh and don't forget it has pop-up headlights, so...that's automatically ten times cooler.
I'm pretty sure the reason for ABS is so you can continue to _steer_ as you panic brake. A demonstration in driver's ed showed ABS doesn't shorten stopping distances (it lengthened them in a couple of tests). I always thought the GT86 was really a successor to the Celica though, despite the name. The AE86 was a sporty coupe version of the humble ecobox Corolla, with good storage and a modest engine. The GT86 is a low-slung sports car with no concessions to practicality and a wild engine they'd never put in a regular compact. 🤷🏻♂️ I still miss my 2016.
What Ben described as dumping the clutch sounds more like a perfect slip when the tires will hook, what I think most people think off as dumping the clutch is side stepping it, which is much more violent.
perhaps the driver i was up against wasn't driving their gr86 correctly but ive actually beaten one in 5-6 gear in a first gen brz. from my experience the first gen is terrible at the mid range of its top speed but really hammers down those last 50 or so mphs.
13:00 i own an AE82 (fwd AE86), and yeah i've locked the brakes on multiples occasion in the rain when i first got it (even on michelin pilot sports 3, 4 aren't available at that size)
I don't know about these results but in 2004 I got that AE aka corolla, added some vinyls, NOS, and a body kit of course. That car flewwwww while Riders on the Storm was banging as loud as possible 😉🔥
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What's the best car in this line-up?
AE86
im good thanks
how are you
GR 86
THE OG
As a GT86 owner myself, I think the problem with Ben's launches is that TC was not fully off, so the computer kept cutting power in the wet. When you press the TC off button once, it only turns off part of the TC (which is what Ben did). To further disable control, you will need to hold the button for 3 sec. And for older model such as the one in this video, you will need to do the pedal dance to fully turn off all electronic control (except for ABS).
Congrats on wasting your money on a slow, shit, ugly car
I suspected this!
i was actually thinking about the torque dip, i thought that was the bogging...
Spot on. Being a former 86 owner I can confirm.
What is pedal dance?
That AE86 has got a really good paint job and some tasteful wheels. Good job to the owner in keeping it mint.
Enkei mesh
AE86 also has unmatched handling.
@@purwantiallan5089 only if you completely mod the hell out of it
@@purwantiallan5089 lol no it doesn't, lay off the cartoons mate
That paint is factory
This is the dream vid for people who’ve watched initial D and MF ghost
The AE86 was just so well designed it launches like a rocket!!! even with only 120hp. Check out DK's AE86 with the green carbon hood!
Give the GT86 it’s respect, 11 years ago it was the revival we needed and was improved upon.
i leased one for three years and put an hks air filter in it and some stickier tires, it was the most reliable and fun car i have owned, but the interior was kinda dull, i preferred when i upgraded to a gti, but i couldn't drift the gti like i could my scion fr-s(gt86)
The GT deserves respect in terms of reviving the original 86 but the GR gets the most respect as the performance is what the 86 should be in terms of today’s standards.
@@dennyklein1965 the entire point of the GT was to offer a car with a back to the 90s basic package, including its power output and the fact that some models have knob ac controls, the car was supposed to be a revival of the 90s sports coupe which I think it captures very well. Don’t believe me? Look it up
yeah it was the blueprint for what we have today. I wanted one a few years back, and tbh would still have one today if i had that sort of spare cash lying about. Car looks great and looks like loads of fun
Considering Ben gets a rubbish launch every time he drives a car on this channel, we definitely need to see a car swap to prove if it's the driver in one of these...is the Stig just rubbish at launching? I mean, it's not a main skill for him whereas launching cars is basically the only skill the Carwow team need most of the time!
Secretly, Natsumi Onitsuka and Ren Hazuki also love this AE86.
Didn't have TC actually turned all the way off in the wet but I actually had this exact same thought before I realized.
I mean Top Gear didn't exactly do drag races but I guess the laps had standing starts
I agree, noticed the same thing in last few videos
Also noticed this
Me too. Ben seems excessively bad at launching cars. I don't get it.
Mat's got his "I beat the Stig" T-shirt, cap, mug, hoodie and pyjamas on order.
Yes.
And so he should 😂
Matt's gotten so skilled at launching a car for quarter mile racing, that I feel the rolling runs give a better measure of a car's performance against its competitors.
That 2.4ltr is a nice improvement over the previous gen
Hard to believe Ben Collins was the Stig in TopGear, considering *he can't launch for shit in any of the CarWow drag races.*
Seen Ben driving a few times now, and I cant say I am impressed... 🤨
Agree. I am also impressed far further.
I think track days are more his thing but you'd think he'd be able to launch better.
As a so called "race driver" he is not good
Racing on a circuit and doing drag races is a bit of a difference. Put them both on a track and I'm certain Ben Collins would have him haha
@@Gazshadows what are you talking about, do people not launch on the track?
as far as im aware top gear track times always started from a standstill.
My 2023 Gr86 just arrived and I'm in love!
5:59 you do that mate and never come back!
That GR 86 is just so amazing! I know without the GT 86 there would be no GR 86, but the GR 86 seems like the TRUE modern AE86 but really I love them all, Toyota's 86 is my favorite line of cars ever. 🥰❤️
Love the drone angles during the race and the augmented reality when showing info on the phone.
Agree man.
Just an Idea for future races. Maybe try changing the lanes where each car is between launches in the initial drag race. It will help us see if maybe the tarmac has anything to do with the times.
I wanted them to change drivers.
Track mode on the GR86 does not disable traction control, it allows for more wheel spin before cutting in. The stability program light comes on to indicate it’s not at its full potential and will allow the slide more before acting.
Press and hold the t/c button with the sport mode button and it turns off everything and you can let the lsd diff do it’s job fully.
That AE86 is honestly beautiful still to this day
Should have went to Akina downhill and did the race there. Would have been amazing
Akina Homoto also love this AE86.
Except “Akina” doesn’t exist in real life.
It was loosely based off mount Haruna.
@@purwantiallan5089 Keiichi Tsuchiya is still driving his AE86 up till this day.
That AE86 is gorgeous 👏🏽
Wien Margarete and Natsumi Onitsuka approved it.
Yeah...its cool
But I really like the new look of the GR86.
It looks really mature.
The new gr86 looks and performs really good🙌🏻
If the Sprinter’s flip down lights had been down, it would have won. 😂
A 16year old could launch the gt86 better
This might be a weird flex but I know how to drive a manual and I am 14.
where my licence at
No it’s literally a matter of the gt86 being so unbelievably pathetic for a 200hp car
@@dingus3182I used to have a GT86 and I can tell you you’re very wrong and I assume you’ve never driven one so you’re saying that because of this video. Admittedly I never launched mine in the wet but launched perfectly well in the dry and it was so responsive, delivered its power really well through the revs and handled like a dream. Personally I think it looks better than the GR too.
Yeah racing driver my ass 😂😂😂
@@tomwest241thats the reason i got mine. Imo the gr looks kinda boring for a sports car.
I love how Ben doesn't ran out of excuses,the stats are in favour of the GR86 though. Nice video.
The TC wasn't completely off on the GT86. Hence the wheelspin.
You need to hold the "TC OFF" button longer.
Im from Australia and have ordered the new GR86, the aussies were late to the party, wasn't able to even order one till September last year. And 12month wait 😅. I managed to test drive both BRZ and GR86, found the 86 spoke to me more although maybe some bias as i work at a Toyota dealership. My first and current cars are Subaru's, still a subie fan. Also, I have a motorcycle now too.
The GR86 2023 not even close to the 1985 AE86 TRUENO.
@@purwantiallan5089 So? Still a great car that he is getting whilst you can only dream of owning
Yea I’m in Australia, I’m a mechanic at a dealership. I’ve seen one GR86 on back of a truck and one on the streets. Yet I’ve seen probably like 30+ of the BRZ’s
When you get your GR86, please get your oil pick up checked after you've driven it a bit. Seems to be a common issue so far with the fa24's.
Who asked for a whole life story you need a girlfriend 😂😂
That final drive on the gt86 is what’s killin it
These cars are not meant for drag, and it's meant for turns. They're similar in weight; obviously, the one with the most power will win. They should take these cars on a race track. Would love to see how these cars perform, and see how much difference they have considering how old the AE86 is.
Doesnt hurt to test these cars on a drag race. Like how keichi tsuchiya tested the hellcat on a touge, this is like that
@fastcars514 yes, it doesn't hurt to test these cars on a drag strip, but these cars doesn't shine in the dragstrip, so it's not using it's full potential. What this video should've done was test these cars on both to actually see the difference. Yes, I saw DK Tsuchiya using that kittycat on the touge. All it did was lose traction lol.
Finally, Takemi Fujiwara in carwow🖤
I like Matt & Ben but I'm rooting for the classic AE86
Me too, Zohir rooting this classic AE86.
Got Love that Hachi-Roku. One of my favorite corolla's
Love the AE86 and would have one over the new ones. The 4A-GE is a peach of an engine and was in the MK 1 MR2 I had and was a proper screamer mounted behind your head. More old school Toyotas please.
Boys see AE86 appear : "yo that's Takumi"
Tyres, Tyres, Tyres.......I'd say the AE86 has some high spec tyres helping the launch
I would love for you to feature the 2000-2006 Toyota celica at some point if you could fit it in a video in any way 💙
The GR86 has a level of cubism to the rear wheel suspension which the GT86 lacked on the front rear cylinder 4 speed manual gear box telematics
gr86 sounds like granturismo when your revving like mad on the start line haha
So I wasn't the only one who noticed
Would be fun to have a 20v swapped with it as well. See how that compares!
Ooo I want to see that
ive got an AE111 Levin with the 20v Black top engine.. I raced a GT86. I smoked him..
Same
If you get a 20v in a ae86 you have to upgrade you transmission then ... i had 20v with stock tranny and it really lower the 20v potential , i mean , my bluetop with little work on the head was faster than my 20v coz of 5 speed
Should put a 2zzge in it
Ben Collins making Mat look good again, no wonder Sam's not been seen lately - anything to make Mat look better 😆
No wonder Stig got sacked.
Could beat him on a push bike.
Why is he on the vids?
I asked myself why they have that drug dealer Yianni on.. about as entertaining as being punched in the face.
I suppose TopGear lap leader board would have had faster times if Matt was the Stig
Mat wins over Ben in every dragrace i've seen so far :D
'Slow Stig'
Would anyone else also choose hands down the AE86 over both the other cars... I think it held its own pretty well against the much more modern stuff! Love it.
Edit: (I'd probably upgrade the brakes though)
Me too picked the AE86. Timeless legend.
@@purwantiallan5089 timeless?🤣🤣🤣
I put the twin-cam 86 engine in my mk1 cortina
Show more the old cars. The interior, rpm etc
nice i'd love a gr 86 shame about the limited number, what a nice line up
I must’ve been the luckiest man ever but I once walked in a dealership selling the limited gr86 was gone in just a few days
@@POPOLAMEYT ah yes probably 10k over msrp
@@POPOLAMEYT That's so lucky. In my country every GR model sells so fast you have to contact Toyota early to put your name in a list.
@@harth05 Ha-chan, the AE86 imo still unrivalled in terms of handling.
@@POPOLAMEYT GR86 was gone in 2 days?
can you add power to weight to the still slide with the power and weight figures? that would be most excellent
I like Ben as a driver, especially being a professional, but I think Yianni and Mark could pull better times out of that gt86
Any Takumi fans here?
Great challenge, the ae 86 is the one for me didn't let itself down at all against the modern stuff 👍
More Ben Collins please, the dude's awesome!
More Ben Collins?
Are you serious?
That man is a joke
now this is a real legendary drag race
What a treat, and the AE 86.. phew... still partially able to keep up with the GT. Like you guys mentioned, pure genius.
From a fellow GT86 owner, you need 6000rpm to properly launch the car from that 2L because of the peak torque from the curve. Below that is the famous torque dip which you get nothing if you start off from there.
TLDR: the gt86/brz/gr86/frs are all shit garbage slow cars
Yea but it’s also kinda hard to do that in the rain
Yes I know.
Also hard to do it without TRC and VSC properly disabled. And by hard I mean impossible because the engine cuts power.
@@slipp3ryslop3 either way it’s bad in the rain either the engine cuts a ton of power or you get a ton of wheel spin
The reason the GT86 sounded better to Ben is that there is a resonator in the car from the engine to make it sound better for the passengers in the cabin. A bit of a cheat, but still real engine noise, manually tuned and piped into the cabin.
I love how we’re discussing the results as if Matt wasn’t driving the newest generation that was designed to be faster than the previous two
AE86 😍
The Stig? Wow, what a guest! He's a real star!
That AE86 is an excellent car even if it’s not fast and it’s overpriced due to being featured in Initial D. Even though it’s “just” an 80s Japanese econobox, it looks good, sounds good and has an amazing design. In a car like that, it’s about how many smiles per gallon it’s capable of.
And who doesn’t love some good ole pop up headlights?
I'm loving the videos with Ben.
Legendary AE86 against two Subarus...
😂
A seldom mentioned fact. The FA24 is not really a “bigger” engine, as far as size. The merely bored the existing block more. The walls are thinner. The outside dimensions are unchanged.. The torque peaks at like 3400 rpm vs 6600 I believe in the gt86. So obviously some other changes to the EFI etc were made to get that dynamic to be that different from that little additional displacement
These cars are all about straight line, well done
I would love to see these cars compared on track with Ben behind the wheel.
Just like in the old days
What engine/performance modifications does the original 86 have? It doesn't sound stock so it probably has more than 124 hp
Missed opportunity to call it the “Greighty-Six”
It's hard to believe Ben was a professional racing driver, he stinks out the place in every race he's in.
You need to put a 20V Silvertop 4A-GE in the AE86 then come back and race them!
Old Toyota really good and enough power for daily driver 😊
I've been looking into GR86s lately, but that classic 86 kept up dumb well considering the 40 year gap. And she was minttttttt
I've been fortunate enough to have owned all 3 generations of this car. AE86 coupe when I was 18. GT86/FRS back when it first came out in 2013. And a year ago I bought the GR86.
The AE86 is still the best looking car there. That profile and the way it slopes back. Oh and don't forget it has pop-up headlights, so...that's automatically ten times cooler.
You must be blind
love it when you have Ben on...hes really great serious yet funny
I want to join this race with my car it has less than 230 hp so it would be interesting to see how that would turn out
Also has around the same weight
The new one is really good, much better than the gt86.
I would take the AE86 any day of the week and twice on sundays, what a cool car i love it
I'm pretty sure the reason for ABS is so you can continue to _steer_ as you panic brake. A demonstration in driver's ed showed ABS doesn't shorten stopping distances (it lengthened them in a couple of tests).
I always thought the GT86 was really a successor to the Celica though, despite the name. The AE86 was a sporty coupe version of the humble ecobox Corolla, with good storage and a modest engine.
The GT86 is a low-slung sports car with no concessions to practicality and a wild engine they'd never put in a regular compact.
🤷🏻♂️ I still miss my 2016.
Matt humbling the stig once again 😂
What about the FT-86? Oh, and are you gonna do the 85 Drag Race video?
Next, GR 86 Vs Yaris GR pls 😀
"James" coming second every time was very consistent
What Ben described as dumping the clutch sounds more like a perfect slip when the tires will hook, what I think most people think off as dumping the clutch is side stepping it, which is much more violent.
perhaps the driver i was up against wasn't driving their gr86 correctly but ive actually beaten one in 5-6 gear in a first gen brz. from my experience the first gen is terrible at the mid range of its top speed but really hammers down those last 50 or so mphs.
13:00 i own an AE82 (fwd AE86), and yeah i've locked the brakes on multiples occasion in the rain when i first got it (even on michelin pilot sports 3, 4 aren't available at that size)
I really get the feeling ben cant shift gears like a real racing driver his to use to dct and sequential i really think mat is a better driver
No wonder he's the "former" sting 😂
Matt should do a drag race against ben and other guest drivers with all driving the same cars, prefebly cheap cars😂
Should be fun!!
I don't know about these results but in 2004 I got that AE aka corolla, added some vinyls, NOS, and a body kit of course. That car flewwwww while Riders on the Storm was banging as loud as possible 😉🔥
30k for a twincam.. when in the 80s 90s the British journalist kept feeding us trash golf GTi stuff
AE86 sweetest sound by far
Race between 86, Yaris, supra and Hilux GR versions please☝️
Matt jumped on the last drag race 😂
That AE86 looks really nice, even tho is that old but it still looks amazing 👍👍.
Carwow, I'm hyped to see a race between the new Toyota GR86 vs the new Hyundai Elantra N 🙌
Race 1: 4:55
Race 2: 6:26
Race 3: 7:26
Race 4: 9:35
Race 5: 11:05
Ben needs to learn the “pedal dance” for full VSC disable, but he didn’t even try the long press of the TC button.
Corolla AE86 😍
Side note they all look good
3:07 sounds like gran turismo rev limiter
Nice to see you got Ben as recurring guest
Finally a race and video that dosent contain a bmw.Thank fk for that