As a GT86 owner myself, I think the problem with Ben's launches is that TC was not fully off, so the computer kept cutting power in the wet. When you press the TC off button once, it only turns off part of the TC (which is what Ben did). To further disable control, you will need to hold the button for 3 sec. And for older model such as the one in this video, you will need to do the pedal dance to fully turn off all electronic control (except for ABS).
i leased one for three years and put an hks air filter in it and some stickier tires, it was the most reliable and fun car i have owned, but the interior was kinda dull, i preferred when i upgraded to a gti, but i couldn't drift the gti like i could my scion fr-s(gt86)
The GT deserves respect in terms of reviving the original 86 but the GR gets the most respect as the performance is what the 86 should be in terms of today’s standards.
@@dennyklein1965 the entire point of the GT was to offer a car with a back to the 90s basic package, including its power output and the fact that some models have knob ac controls, the car was supposed to be a revival of the 90s sports coupe which I think it captures very well. Don’t believe me? Look it up
yeah it was the blueprint for what we have today. I wanted one a few years back, and tbh would still have one today if i had that sort of spare cash lying about. Car looks great and looks like loads of fun
Was a pleasure to help out with both this video and the Supra video guys, thanks for having me along. Whenever Mat wants me to come and convince him to buy a GR86 again, you know how to get hold of me 😂
@@bamboosho0t the reason they didn’t go with a turbo is so they could still sell the more powerful yet heavier GR Supra. No one would buy a 1500 kg Supra with just under 400 hp if they could buy a GR86 at 1300 KG with 300 hp for half the price .
I mean, the GR86 also deserves a credit. After a struggle to beat it's competition for years the GR nailed it now. Even the GT can't keep up with the elder.
Considering Ben gets a rubbish launch every time he drives a car on this channel, we definitely need to see a car swap to prove if it's the driver in one of these...is the Stig just rubbish at launching? I mean, it's not a main skill for him whereas launching cars is basically the only skill the Carwow team need most of the time!
Didn't have TC actually turned all the way off in the wet but I actually had this exact same thought before I realized. I mean Top Gear didn't exactly do drag races but I guess the laps had standing starts
GR86 is a great car and we all knew which car was going to come 1st 2nd and 3rd in the race. The AE86 honestly is the underdog in the race. I am impressed.
Matt's gotten so skilled at launching a car for quarter mile racing, that I feel the rolling runs give a better measure of a car's performance against its competitors. That 2.4ltr is a nice improvement over the previous gen
God old clutch feathering, stoping wheelspin without removing throttle, good for engines with small torque figures.. and burning a clutch or 2 😅😇 great work mat and carwow team.shout-out to Ben, always great to see him back.
That AE86 is an excellent car even if it’s not fast and it’s overpriced due to being featured in Initial D. Even though it’s “just” an 80s Japanese econobox, it looks good, sounds good and has an amazing design. In a car like that, it’s about how many smiles per gallon it’s capable of. And who doesn’t love some good ole pop up headlights?
That GR 86 is just so amazing! I know without the GT 86 there would be no GR 86, but the GR 86 seems like the TRUE modern AE86 but really I love them all, Toyota's 86 is my favorite line of cars ever. 🥰❤️
i agree, trap speed showcases the car's ability better and takes less of the skill out of the equation so we have a better idea of which car is faster.
Just an Idea for future races. Maybe try changing the lanes where each car is between launches in the initial drag race. It will help us see if maybe the tarmac has anything to do with the times.
The AE86 was hated when it was released first and only became iconic because of DK and initial d.for the longest time it was just another corolla in people's eyes.
@@coldintakevideos its alright.. deoesnt matter what others say.. as long as you are having a blast and fun in it.. i plan to get the brz (2 liter version)
@@coldintakevideos I really want that car. I think it's the coolest looking out of the 3. You've got a really cool car, no need to regret buying it! If we all wanted the fastest thing we'd all want Bugatti's.
Im from Australia and have ordered the new GR86, the aussies were late to the party, wasn't able to even order one till September last year. And 12month wait 😅. I managed to test drive both BRZ and GR86, found the 86 spoke to me more although maybe some bias as i work at a Toyota dealership. My first and current cars are Subaru's, still a subie fan. Also, I have a motorcycle now too.
Yea I’m in Australia, I’m a mechanic at a dealership. I’ve seen one GR86 on back of a truck and one on the streets. Yet I’ve seen probably like 30+ of the BRZ’s
Love the AE86 and would have one over the new ones. The 4A-GE is a peach of an engine and was in the MK 1 MR2 I had and was a proper screamer mounted behind your head. More old school Toyotas please.
If you get a 20v in a ae86 you have to upgrade you transmission then ... i had 20v with stock tranny and it really lower the 20v potential , i mean , my bluetop with little work on the head was faster than my 20v coz of 5 speed
The reason the GT86 sounded better to Ben is that there is a resonator in the car from the engine to make it sound better for the passengers in the cabin. A bit of a cheat, but still real engine noise, manually tuned and piped into the cabin.
My father had that same AE86 Trueno with 124 hp in white back in the 90s. It was a real sports car for that time and the pop up head lights were really cool and rare. 🤘 I would not forget that soft bell sound it made inside the cabin when going over certain high speed 😄
I've been fortunate enough to have owned all 3 generations of this car. AE86 coupe when I was 18. GT86/FRS back when it first came out in 2013. And a year ago I bought the GR86.
Would anyone else also choose hands down the AE86 over both the other cars... I think it held its own pretty well against the much more modern stuff! Love it. Edit: (I'd probably upgrade the brakes though)
As an owner pf GR 86 I want to thank car wow for making interesting race videos with GR86, I will consider selling my car to you if I ever decide to sell it in the future.
13:00 i own an AE82 (fwd AE86), and yeah i've locked the brakes on multiples occasion in the rain when i first got it (even on michelin pilot sports 3, 4 aren't available at that size)
A seldom mentioned fact. The FA24 is not really a “bigger” engine, as far as size. The merely bored the existing block more. The walls are thinner. The outside dimensions are unchanged.. The torque peaks at like 3400 rpm vs 6600 I believe in the gt86. So obviously some other changes to the EFI etc were made to get that dynamic to be that different from that little additional displacement
From a fellow GT86 owner, you need 6000rpm to properly launch the car from that 2L because of the peak torque from the curve. Below that is the famous torque dip which you get nothing if you start off from there.
Absolutely it’s a shame they didn’t make the GR look a little nicer. I think the GT is a nicer LOOKING car than the GR but that GR performance is ridiculous. Wouldn’t mind seeing that 2.4L in a GT and see what it could do.
Track mode on the GR86 does not disable traction control, it allows for more wheel spin before cutting in. The stability program light comes on to indicate it’s not at its full potential and will allow the slide more before acting. Press and hold the t/c button with the sport mode button and it turns off everything and you can let the lsd diff do it’s job fully.
What's the best car in this line-up?
AE86
im good thanks
how are you
GR 86
THE OG
That AE86 has got a really good paint job and some tasteful wheels. Good job to the owner in keeping it mint.
Enkei mesh
AE86 also has unmatched handling.
@@purwantiallan5089 only if you completely mod the hell out of it
@@purwantiallan5089 lol no it doesn't, lay off the cartoons mate
That paint is factory
As a GT86 owner myself, I think the problem with Ben's launches is that TC was not fully off, so the computer kept cutting power in the wet. When you press the TC off button once, it only turns off part of the TC (which is what Ben did). To further disable control, you will need to hold the button for 3 sec. And for older model such as the one in this video, you will need to do the pedal dance to fully turn off all electronic control (except for ABS).
Congrats on wasting your money on a slow, shit, ugly car
I suspected this!
i was actually thinking about the torque dip, i thought that was the bogging...
Spot on. Being a former 86 owner I can confirm.
What is pedal dance?
The Gr is remarkably beautiful and the AE is a great classic look.
Agree. Classic look that never dies.
the gr86 is an overpriced slow shitbox. shouldn’t even be called an 86
It lacked the front rear HP cylinders that the clutch dymanics required for that actual time
Beautiful? Haha no. But definitely better than before
@@mediocreman2 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The GR series did not worry about contours
This is the dream vid for people who’ve watched initial D and MF ghost
Strongest 124 HP I've seen. Sheesh! That AE86 has a killer launch. Imagine if it had a 20V 4A-GE. 😅
Also much pricey than the others
and a 6 speed, would rival the GR86 far better
just look at hibino keihin fcr 250hp 7ag ae86 doing against all those way more powerful turbocar in D1SL
is the 20V 4A-GE has a 160 HP?
@@Zeratsu google
Give the GT86 it’s respect, 11 years ago it was the revival we needed and was improved upon.
i leased one for three years and put an hks air filter in it and some stickier tires, it was the most reliable and fun car i have owned, but the interior was kinda dull, i preferred when i upgraded to a gti, but i couldn't drift the gti like i could my scion fr-s(gt86)
The GT deserves respect in terms of reviving the original 86 but the GR gets the most respect as the performance is what the 86 should be in terms of today’s standards.
@@dennyklein1965 the entire point of the GT was to offer a car with a back to the 90s basic package, including its power output and the fact that some models have knob ac controls, the car was supposed to be a revival of the 90s sports coupe which I think it captures very well. Don’t believe me? Look it up
yeah it was the blueprint for what we have today. I wanted one a few years back, and tbh would still have one today if i had that sort of spare cash lying about. Car looks great and looks like loads of fun
Was a pleasure to help out with both this video and the Supra video guys, thanks for having me along.
Whenever Mat wants me to come and convince him to buy a GR86 again, you know how to get hold of me 😂
nice car mate
@@borablerta9090 the AE86 still legendary since 1985.
The GR86...wow. Now I see why they opted not to go for a turbo. The 2.4 is a huge upgrade.
@@bamboosho0t the reason they didn’t go with a turbo is so they could still sell the more powerful yet heavier GR Supra. No one would buy a 1500 kg Supra with just under 400 hp if they could buy a GR86 at 1300 KG with 300 hp for half the price .
Nice car, this race shows the torque dip of the 2015 really well
Like it or not, you have to admire that AE86 just because it is such a JDM Legend!
Me too. As a diehard Nijigasaki fan, i also love this legend car from Initial D.
I mean, the GR86 also deserves a credit. After a struggle to beat it's competition for years the GR nailed it now. Even the GT can't keep up with the elder.
Pop up head lights!! Sexy. AE86 wow still punchy.
Yeah, Initial D car
Same engine they put in the MR2 AW11. Sounds awesome 6.5 k onwards.
A drag race isn't really the setting for these cars but was definitely interesting to see the performance enhancements :)
The AE86 was just so well designed it launches like a rocket!!! even with only 120hp. Check out DK's AE86 with the green carbon hood!
150*
(Thats what i learned from initial d atleast)
Considering Ben gets a rubbish launch every time he drives a car on this channel, we definitely need to see a car swap to prove if it's the driver in one of these...is the Stig just rubbish at launching? I mean, it's not a main skill for him whereas launching cars is basically the only skill the Carwow team need most of the time!
Secretly, Natsumi Onitsuka and Ren Hazuki also love this AE86.
Didn't have TC actually turned all the way off in the wet but I actually had this exact same thought before I realized.
I mean Top Gear didn't exactly do drag races but I guess the laps had standing starts
I agree, noticed the same thing in last few videos
Also noticed this
Me too. Ben seems excessively bad at launching cars. I don't get it.
GR86 is a great car and we all knew which car was going to come 1st 2nd and 3rd in the race. The AE86 honestly is the underdog in the race. I am impressed.
My 2023 Gr86 just arrived and I'm in love!
Matt's gotten so skilled at launching a car for quarter mile racing, that I feel the rolling runs give a better measure of a car's performance against its competitors.
That 2.4ltr is a nice improvement over the previous gen
If the Sprinter’s flip down lights had been down, it would have won. 😂
Mat's got his "I beat the Stig" T-shirt, cap, mug, hoodie and pyjamas on order.
Yes.
And so he should 😂
AE86 may not be the fastest in a straight line but it'll definitely win you on a mountain race while delivering your tofu
:DD
Especially when listening to Eurobeat music with lyrics poorly translated in English
it's the driver
@@Deniz69567 what does the driver have to do with so much less performence
@@th3Kun well, if you are talking about a mountain pass with full of narrow corners I guess power isn't really necessary to have
God old clutch feathering, stoping wheelspin without removing throttle, good for engines with small torque figures.. and burning a clutch or 2 😅😇 great work mat and carwow team.shout-out to Ben, always great to see him back.
That AE86 is an excellent car even if it’s not fast and it’s overpriced due to being featured in Initial D. Even though it’s “just” an 80s Japanese econobox, it looks good, sounds good and has an amazing design. In a car like that, it’s about how many smiles per gallon it’s capable of.
And who doesn’t love some good ole pop up headlights?
Love the drone angles during the race and the augmented reality when showing info on the phone.
Agree man.
Seen Ben driving a few times now, and I cant say I am impressed... 🤨
Agree. I am also impressed far further.
I think track days are more his thing but you'd think he'd be able to launch better.
As a so called "race driver" he is not good
Racing on a circuit and doing drag races is a bit of a difference. Put them both on a track and I'm certain Ben Collins would have him haha
@@Gazshadows what are you talking about, do people not launch on the track?
as far as im aware top gear track times always started from a standstill.
That AE86 is beautiful 🤩
As beautiful as even 1999 Honda S2000 and 2002 Viper GTS.
Easily best of the bunch for character and legend status.
It’s a shitty old Toyota with a price tag only an idiot is willing to pay
@@purwantiallan5089 hell no
@@nacl2858 12 year old
That final drive on the gt86 is what’s killin it
That GR 86 is just so amazing! I know without the GT 86 there would be no GR 86, but the GR 86 seems like the TRUE modern AE86 but really I love them all, Toyota's 86 is my favorite line of cars ever. 🥰❤️
Mat I have a suggestion! Can you also put the Mph when crossing the line? It would be great to see how fast these cars when crossing the 1/4 mile
That’s actually an amazing idea! 😮
i agree, trap speed showcases the car's ability better and takes less of the skill out of the equation so we have a better idea of which car is faster.
I love how Ben doesn't ran out of excuses,the stats are in favour of the GR86 though. Nice video.
The AE86 just reminds me of the Irish countryside, all the lads n ladies love these , all over the country
The new gr86 looks and performs really good🙌🏻
Got Love that Hachi-Roku. One of my favorite corolla's
Just an Idea for future races. Maybe try changing the lanes where each car is between launches in the initial drag race. It will help us see if maybe the tarmac has anything to do with the times.
I wanted them to change drivers.
Should have went to Akina downhill and did the race there. Would have been amazing
Akina Homoto also love this AE86.
Except “Akina” doesn’t exist in real life.
It was loosely based off mount Haruna.
@@purwantiallan5089 Keiichi Tsuchiya is still driving his AE86 up till this day.
That AE86 is gorgeous 👏🏽
Wien Margarete and Natsumi Onitsuka approved it.
Yeah...its cool
But I really like the new look of the GR86.
It looks really mature.
That AE86 is honestly beautiful still to this day
Should do multiple races and drivers switch cars each race
I like Matt & Ben but I'm rooting for the classic AE86
Me too, Zohir rooting this classic AE86.
oldskool AE86 anyday! love how timeless this shape is👌
school*
Legend shapes never die bro.
The TC wasn't completely off on the GT86. Hence the wheelspin.
You need to hold the "TC OFF" button longer.
The AE86 just stoles our hearts. Cars back in the day were iconic
😂
The AE86 was hated when it was released first and only became iconic because of DK and initial d.for the longest time it was just another corolla in people's eyes.
You are so wrong 😂
@@user-sk4wf3ve6zDK was literally asking his sponsor to get him one
Excellent video matt like always
My guess on the GT86 is it's got those crap low rolling resistance Prius tires that it came stock with. Tires really make a huge difference.
GT86 and GR86 2013 maybe cool but nothing came close to AE86.
please stop disliking GT86 im crying i just bought it on used car shop
@@coldintakevideos its alright.. deoesnt matter what others say.. as long as you are having a blast and fun in it.. i plan to get the brz (2 liter version)
@@coldintakevideos I really want that car. I think it's the coolest looking out of the 3. You've got a really cool car, no need to regret buying it! If we all wanted the fastest thing we'd all want Bugatti's.
Tyres has nothing to do with engine bogging down.
Finally, Takemi Fujiwara in carwow🖤
0:14 what a great shot
ONG tho
That OG AE86 is still perfect all these years later
now this is a real legendary drag race
Im from Australia and have ordered the new GR86, the aussies were late to the party, wasn't able to even order one till September last year. And 12month wait 😅. I managed to test drive both BRZ and GR86, found the 86 spoke to me more although maybe some bias as i work at a Toyota dealership. My first and current cars are Subaru's, still a subie fan. Also, I have a motorcycle now too.
The GR86 2023 not even close to the 1985 AE86 TRUENO.
@@purwantiallan5089 So? Still a great car that he is getting whilst you can only dream of owning
Yea I’m in Australia, I’m a mechanic at a dealership. I’ve seen one GR86 on back of a truck and one on the streets. Yet I’ve seen probably like 30+ of the BRZ’s
When you get your GR86, please get your oil pick up checked after you've driven it a bit. Seems to be a common issue so far with the fa24's.
Who asked for a whole life story you need a girlfriend 😂😂
Ben Collins making Mat look good again, no wonder Sam's not been seen lately - anything to make Mat look better 😆
I'd love one of these videos with all the mr2's including both turbo and non turbo mk 2's
30k for a twincam.. when in the 80s 90s the British journalist kept feeding us trash golf GTi stuff
What a treat, and the AE 86.. phew... still partially able to keep up with the GT. Like you guys mentioned, pure genius.
Love the AE86 and would have one over the new ones. The 4A-GE is a peach of an engine and was in the MK 1 MR2 I had and was a proper screamer mounted behind your head. More old school Toyotas please.
Great challenge, the ae 86 is the one for me didn't let itself down at all against the modern stuff 👍
Boys see AE86 appear : "yo that's Takumi"
I would love for you to feature the 2000-2006 Toyota celica at some point if you could fit it in a video in any way 💙
5:59 you do that mate and never come back!
Would be fun to have a 20v swapped with it as well. See how that compares!
Ooo I want to see that
ive got an AE111 Levin with the 20v Black top engine.. I raced a GT86. I smoked him..
Same
If you get a 20v in a ae86 you have to upgrade you transmission then ... i had 20v with stock tranny and it really lower the 20v potential , i mean , my bluetop with little work on the head was faster than my 20v coz of 5 speed
Should put a 2zzge in it
THE "AE" in the AE86 must mean ABSOLUTELY EPIC.
What a car.
What a legend.
Thanks so much for bringing it to a race day!
It doesn't, but that's not a bad meaning, though.
Tyres, Tyres, Tyres.......I'd say the AE86 has some high spec tyres helping the launch
The reason the GT86 sounded better to Ben is that there is a resonator in the car from the engine to make it sound better for the passengers in the cabin. A bit of a cheat, but still real engine noise, manually tuned and piped into the cabin.
love it when you have Ben on...hes really great serious yet funny
Hard to believe Ben Collins was the Stig in TopGear, considering *he can't launch for shit in any of the CarWow drag races.*
nice i'd love a gr 86 shame about the limited number, what a nice line up
I must’ve been the luckiest man ever but I once walked in a dealership selling the limited gr86 was gone in just a few days
@@POPOLAMEYT ah yes probably 10k over msrp
@@POPOLAMEYT That's so lucky. In my country every GR model sells so fast you have to contact Toyota early to put your name in a list.
@@harth05 Ha-chan, the AE86 imo still unrivalled in terms of handling.
@@POPOLAMEYT GR86 was gone in 2 days?
Mat never fails to wow us with all these insane reviews, drag races and videos!
Same old BOT COMMENT 💤💤
These cars are all about straight line, well done
Great race Mat!😸
That AE86 is honestly beautiful still to this day 😍...... im very surprised at how it kept up with the gt86 the whole time .....
Tc wasnt fully off
Mat wins over Ben in every dragrace i've seen so far :D
'Slow Stig'
That AE86 is so clean. 😳👌
13:00 ABS doesn't stop vehicles any quicker, just means you can still steer the vehicle during the skid.
Race between 86, Yaris, supra and Hilux GR versions please☝️
More Ben Collins please, the dude's awesome!
More Ben Collins?
Are you serious?
That man is a joke
I'm loving the videos with Ben.
My father had that same AE86 Trueno with 124 hp in white back in the 90s. It was a real sports car for that time and the pop up head lights were really cool and rare. 🤘 I would not forget that soft bell sound it made inside the cabin when going over certain high speed 😄
and did he, by any chance, make you deliver tofu down a mountain road every day?
I’m starting to doubt ben’s driving skills.. I’m yet to see a video without excuses
They give him the slower car most times that’s why
I've been fortunate enough to have owned all 3 generations of this car. AE86 coupe when I was 18. GT86/FRS back when it first came out in 2013. And a year ago I bought the GR86.
I like Ben as a driver, especially being a professional, but I think Yianni and Mark could pull better times out of that gt86
Would anyone else also choose hands down the AE86 over both the other cars... I think it held its own pretty well against the much more modern stuff! Love it.
Edit: (I'd probably upgrade the brakes though)
Me too picked the AE86. Timeless legend.
@@purwantiallan5089 timeless?🤣🤣🤣
can you add power to weight to the still slide with the power and weight figures? that would be most excellent
I'd love to see the difference between my stage1 Alfa Romeo 159 2.0jtdm with 215bhp/420Nm and that GR86!
As an owner pf GR 86 I want to thank car wow for making interesting race videos with GR86, I will consider selling my car to you if I ever decide to sell it in the future.
3:07 sounds like gran turismo rev limiter
We want more Japanese car drag races like this one with more classic Japanese cars!
gr86 sounds like granturismo when your revving like mad on the start line haha
So I wasn't the only one who noticed
I've been looking into GR86s lately, but that classic 86 kept up dumb well considering the 40 year gap. And she was minttttttt
13:00 i own an AE82 (fwd AE86), and yeah i've locked the brakes on multiples occasion in the rain when i first got it (even on michelin pilot sports 3, 4 aren't available at that size)
Yet again he has to have the fastest car!
AE86 one great old school cars of my youth.
Who cares how fast those are, they are all hella fun and lets just appreciate those amazing rolling shots of the AE86.
Well said!!
That ae86 beat all off the line in the first what a car 🎉
👍👍
It’s not worth 30k it should be priced at £900 to £1k cmon it’s a basic Toyota
@@dannysamsam2467 on god the ae8shit is literally just an overpriced corolla that people lose their shit over
@@nacl2858 I know lol a 2006 Aston Martin vantage is cheaper and it’s much better quality
Carwow, I'm hyped to see a race between the new Toyota GR86 vs the new Hyundai Elantra N 🙌
A seldom mentioned fact. The FA24 is not really a “bigger” engine, as far as size. The merely bored the existing block more. The walls are thinner. The outside dimensions are unchanged.. The torque peaks at like 3400 rpm vs 6600 I believe in the gt86. So obviously some other changes to the EFI etc were made to get that dynamic to be that different from that little additional displacement
that AE86 looks clean!
From a fellow GT86 owner, you need 6000rpm to properly launch the car from that 2L because of the peak torque from the curve. Below that is the famous torque dip which you get nothing if you start off from there.
TLDR: the gt86/brz/gr86/frs are all shit garbage slow cars
Yea but it’s also kinda hard to do that in the rain
Yes I know.
Also hard to do it without TRC and VSC properly disabled. And by hard I mean impossible because the engine cuts power.
@@slipp3ryslop3 either way it’s bad in the rain either the engine cuts a ton of power or you get a ton of wheel spin
My dream cars going at it
Mat thank you so much for this insane video!
The bot fancies Mat😂😂😂
The Stig? Wow, what a guest! He's a real star!
Video starts at 4:50
“I never said thank you”
The GT86 is so good looking.
Absolutely it’s a shame they didn’t make the GR look a little nicer. I think the GT is a nicer LOOKING car than the GR but that GR performance is ridiculous. Wouldn’t mind seeing that 2.4L in a GT and see what it could do.
Track mode on the GR86 does not disable traction control, it allows for more wheel spin before cutting in. The stability program light comes on to indicate it’s not at its full potential and will allow the slide more before acting.
Press and hold the t/c button with the sport mode button and it turns off everything and you can let the lsd diff do it’s job fully.
Show more the old cars. The interior, rpm etc
Matt humbling the stig once again 😂