That's really not a very good example, that car was purpose-built to destroy tires, not be the jack of all trades the BRZ/86 is known for being. Sure, that drift car is better at drifting, but for everything else? I'd take the stock one.
To me, the fact that the 86 has "less power" than other contemporary sports cars, and is also N/A, just makes it all the more similar to the 86 of old. People criticized that car too for being old and slow, but what a legend and unique driving experience it is and turned out to be.
@@RemsHusband the zn6 was developed to be a spiritual successor to the 80s Corolla GTS and be a cash cow for Toyota and subaru because everyone wants an affordable rwd sports car. What the fuck is initial d?
I’m hoping for more sleek and simple cars instead of these overly developed ones. N/A with less power with loads of after market options with the ability to drift and built for cheap performance?? Hyped, beyond hyped
this car doesn't need boat loads of power... It is solid, and a blast to drive. I don't get why people keep saying it needs more power. Little thing boots and N/A means all its power is instant and predictable. and... tbh, you can do 110kph in 3rd, while giving the high revving japanese engine 'the beans'... How much faster does it need to be? 😂
I have a 2013 BRZ (first gen) and it’s honestly one of the best things I’ve ever driven. It may not be fast but getting that thing to whip around a turn is fun af
same number in euro it sells between 13 000 and 17 000 euros. Lots a 15 000. But because it's phase 1 (2012-2014), and because of the Poppet valve spring recall. (French mecanics are bad: half of them destroys the engine when doing the recall procedure) Phase 2 gt86 (2015-2020) are much more expensive. And with CO2 tax, i paid mine arround 60 000$ = 51 500 euros. (brand new 2020 gt86). Même nombre en euros. Elles se vendent entre 13 000 et 17 000 euros. Beaucoup partent a 15 000 euros. Mais parceque ce sont des phase 1 (2012-2014), et a cause du problème du rappel des ressorts de soupapes. (toyota victime d'une fraude de l'industrie métallurgique). On n’arrête pas de voir des propriétaire de gt86 dont toyota a cassé le moteur en faisant le rappel de travers ... mais c'est normal, vu la nullité des garagistes français. Les gt86 phase 2 sont bien plus chères: généralement plus de 20 000 euros. Et la mienne, neuve de 2020, je l'ai payé 51 500 euros, a cause du malus CO2 mensongé. (et de l’absence de logiciel truqueur Volkswagen chez toyota)
basically, the two car companies of the 2 cars Takumi mainly drove, teamed up together just to make the Successor of the Legendary AE86? sounds like a lit collab
@@dennismokry258 I don’t know if ur behind or just forgetting but Bunta told Takumi to switch which car he drove during deliverys ae86 on Mondays and Impreza on Tuesdays
@@dennismokry258 Nope, to help Takumi improve, Bunta made Takumi drive his Subaru to deliver tofu. That way Takumi would know the weaknesses to his AE86 and at the same time be able to drive a new car
It might come in the later run. They included an OEM oil cooler in the announced model, so perhaps they use this feature to add a turbo in a performance version or whatever. Maybe its just for better cooling the engine at the racetrack XD
@@raulbustamante8337 They won't add a turbo, an oil cooler is just needed. The current FRS/BRZ's really benefit from one if you take them to the track a good bit.
I have a BRZ and if it wasn’t for a brother of mine that already had bought an FRS, I wouldn’t of bought one. He told me that I won’t regret getting one and he was right! Best handling car I have ever owned.
I got my BRZ a few months ago. It doesn't need more power from the factory. It's perfect for tearing around town. You can actually floor it without going to jail. I love it.
I've had my 2015 FR-S for 3 and a half years now, and it is easily the best car I've ever owned (mind you, I've only owned three cars). Balanced handling, responsive suspension, rock-solid reliability, and a surprising level of practicality make it almost the perfect fun daily driver. If you need one car that can take you to work at 8 AM and drift through a parking lot at 10 PM at an affordable price, I can't recommend the 86 twins highly enough.
@@stephendeben1590 That's a cringe take, every car is made better with some additional power. At least give the turbo version and the NA version and the turbo version will sell more because people want the most fun possible if they're buying a fun car.
dude i respect you guys so much , not even a car guy but im turning into one because of this channel , i can just imagine the effort going into making new videos everyday on a schedule as a team and its so dope. keep it up
I saved up since I was 5 years old to get my dream car when I was old enough...a camaro. 1,000s of chores, tutoring, teaching, and 2 summer jobs later I finally got my license and spent my life savings on..... a used FR-S instead. It’s been almost 6 years now and I can say it was the best decision I’ve ever made. Roadtrips from one ocean to the other. Hopefully I can pass it on to kids of my own one day!
I'm actually really glad the 86 is being made. I always wish Japanese cars were still made like they were in the 90's but the it 86 is basically a modern day Silvia
Alejandro Vega I’ve had my twin for 5 years, fully paid off and I don’t think I’ll ever get rid of it. I daily a G37 coupe now, but my BRZ will probably always stick around.
Serious question: How are they on mountain roads? Asking because I live in the mountains, and sometimes passing uphill is a must, but not every car can do it fast and reliably. Nothing worse than trying to get by a logging truck or tanker when you run out of "umph" and have to get back behind it or hope to hell nothing is coming from over the other side.
@@JS-hw8ve they get out of their own way, just don't shy away from 7000+ rpm shift points. My experience is only Adirondack interstate elevations, though.
Hands down THE best car I have ever driven in my life! And I've driven cars way more powerful than this...but power doesn't actually matter...fun is what matters
Every car has its own purpose. Every performance car has its own approach to "fun". A sports car relies on handling, feel, balance, tossability, and a direct connection to the road. The S2000 had that. The Elise had that. The first two generations of the Miata had that. The Toyobaru triplets had that. For me, any approach to "fun" has value. Hell, I even enjoyed tossing around my first new car, an obscenely simple '92 Nissan Sentra E, with its 13" wheels, manual everything, and power nothing. It was FUN. If I'm to drive a muscle car or pony car, I want tire-melting burnouts, loud growling engine notes, and room for some friends. If I'm to drive a Grand Tourer, I want legs for days, power to spare, and room for some overnight bags and some golf clubs. If I'm to drive a supercar, I want to be looked at and I want to scare myself with more power and sharper turning than I could ever handle. If, however, I want a car that feels like every ride on the playground, at any speeds, then I'll drive a sports car. The BRZ/FRS/86 is one of those cars, and it's a great one at that.
indeed: time on tracks, winning race, and efficient driving is totally boring and absolutely no fun. Sadly, race/sport cars are evaluated on this shit. Like driving a train is boring, even if an empty TGV can easily go at more than 500 km/h. (more than 310 mph). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_speed_record TGV 4402 (operation v150) reaching 574.8 km/h (357 mph)
That really does sum up the 86. It's not fast, its times are garbage, it's not even the slickest car in the lot. But when you get in it and drive, you'll love it, I swear. I've driven so many sports cars I can't even remember owning some of them without the pictures I have. But I swear, the 86 is my favorite out of all of them.
At the age of 33, I bought a TC. Nice little car. Not powerful, and only front-wheel-drive, but still a lot of fun. Did it appeal to kids? Not from what I could see. I expect I was the target audience.
@@jpcrafton69 I'm 54. I test drove a 2016 Scion tC a few weeks ago while shopping around for a "plague" car that I could drive around just for fun while remaining socially distant from others. It felt like the rentals I would drive to work sites, a feeling I DON'T want to experience in my own car! I bought a 2015 Fiat 500 Abarth instead.
Perfect. I remember hearing about the sales numbers from the first-gen Scions. Low price, high efficiency, good quality=LOTS OF OLD PEOPLE BOUGHT THEM. 😂 Remember old folks are on fixed incomes, can’t afford expensive cars, are sensible and wise and know where the tontine gold is buried and most of all, love Scions.
Its odd that a comparative small coup, the Mazda MX-5, could go generations with very nominal changes in power and still be loved, while the 86 receives criticism for it.
Many people say the Miata is a hairdresser's car, while many other people say "Miata Is Always The Answer." It gets it's share of criticism, but it's old enough that the consistency in it's design philosophy is part of the love, and the bulk of the power-critics have probably gone on to looking at different cars instead. Meanwhile, the GT86 is much newer, and the big boys behind the engine (Subaru) love juggling turbos so much that everyone is wondering how one hasn't accidentally fallen into the BRZ yet. I would love mine to have a turbo, but the car is already such a nice drive that it'd sort of be a waste.
Case of bias before trying. I would gather 95% of those who hammer on the car have never actually driven one at all or for its intended purpose. Meanwhile in the twisty b-roads I can guarantee every owner is grinning ear to ear. Haters gonna hate.
@@lucsmith3953 driven hard the g35 will feel heavy, and go through tires, brakes and fuel much faster than an 86. Also it will struggle much quicker with engine overheating. It all depends on what kind of driving you like. If it helps: when you don't see the issue with putting 19 inch wheels on an 86, then the g35 is the right choice.
Also, that sick red Ferrari powered 86 they show around 16:37 got binned into the wall in that video shoot. Maybe not from the balance, but still ironic enough for me!
I literally sold my Evo X GSR because after I drove my dad's 2013 FRS and felt more connected to a car that was so much easier to operate and drive, that I had to get in line for the new GR86 even if I have to wait months to get it.
Finally! Thank you for doing this video! I’ve had a turbo in my BRZ for 5 years now, putting out 275whp, I couldn’t ever go back to NA. It should’ve come with FI from the factory, it didn’t upset weight distribution at all.
Gustavo Salgado It’s a SBD kit (the Greddy knock-off). Winter mix fuel causes an O2 sensor warning every winter but the actual sensor is fine. I always run 93 octane, E85 stations are hard to find in my city. I think the winter O2 sensor issue is probably an OFT problem, I should’ve gotten EcuTek. So I reset the ECU once a month in winter. No issues aside from that annoyance. IMO getting it tuned by a great pro-tuner is the biggest factor in reliability. I’m going to have him retune it using EcuTek and see if the winter O2 sensor problem goes away.
I just turbo’ed my BRZ about a month or so ago. Full Blown Motorsports Stage 2 kit, definitely made a huge difference! lol currently pushing way too much boost at 14 PSI, gonna drop it down to 10 PSI soon 😌
@@joaquinvillasenor4818 I feel like the drift King was just drives the 86 because he loves the car. Cars don't have to be amazing for you to love them, you just have to bond with them. I feel like they could have as easily liked the Miata or s2000. This is purely speculation on my part.
Honestly I like the slow & simple starting point of these cars. It allows a young driver to learn and grow with their car. A friend of a friend put in flexfuel mods to his BRZ first, and as he got used to the power he then got the HKS turbo kit bolted on. 290 kW (~400 hp) in such a light package! Not something you can just buy and drive without any experience...
Scion was such a great brand. Still proudly rolling my 06 tC that I got when I was 19. First and only brand new car I've ever purchased. Served its purpose to introduce younger buyers to the Toyota brand, as I've had 2 4Runners and a Tundra since!
So happy for this episode. I’ve had my FR-S since 2014 and buying this car is one of best decisions I’ve ever made in life. As an avid autocrosser since buying the car I believe I understand Tada-San’s reluctance I add power and I’m still happy with my fun [slow] car. Excited about the rumors for the 2nd gen though!
The episode I wanted for so long!! I own one and have been driving it for 3 years, every-single-time I drive it I love it. It’s just so fun and nice to drive
I had a 2000 Celica GT-S and the valve program wouldn’t kick in. Spent nearly $1000 at the Toyota dealership to no avail. Turns out it was a simple fix, but this wasn’t known at the time (internet forums were in their infancy)
I REALLY liked my 2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT. The biggest problem I had with it was that it was FWD (and heavy, but ignore that). The 86 really seems like the best version of my old Eclipse that I can imagine. Now that I'm no longer a young naive budget "sports car" owner with shallow pockets I REALLY want to become a slightly older budget "sports car" owner with much deeper pockets. Kudos Toyota, you're still killing it! Also, "Hearse Purrs!" lol
I bought my 86 and a couple of years through ownership, I turbo'd the car. Small turbo (basically the same as the WRX now), but my god, it makes the car SOOO much better. No more annoying torque dip, nicer power out of corners, its just *MUAHH*. It's a shame they never brought the car out with a factory turbo, even as a separate model.
> Takumi finally defeats everyone in Kanto Region. > Every driver he defeated shows up to support him. > The next day he delivers tofu. > He's running downhill now. > *m.o.v.e. - Rage your dream plays in background* ruclips.net/video/KoFSQeOAYz4/видео.html > your tears fall as this is the ending of Initial D > GT86 Shows up > plate says: 86-239 = hachiroku ni sankyu = *_Thank you. Eight-Six_* > _You cry harder now_ > everything turns to white > *YOU NOW REMEMBER THERE'S A GT86 IN MF GHOST, INITIAL D's SUCCESSOR* > *TEARS OF HAPPINESS FLOW MORE*
Can confirm. Cried when I watched. Also can confirm. Reading MF ghost. All I can say to that is I can't fucking wait for when they inevitably make it an anime
_"More Horsepower makes you faster in straights. Lightness makes you faster everywhere."_ *-Lotus probably? I don't know who really said it tbh. I just heard it*
WOW! The Toyobaru is an amazing machine! Why have I not bought one yet! Awesome video guys! I watch every day and you all are pumping out the best automotive educational entertainment on the internet!
MX-5 is still there, along with the Fiat 124. Empty? No. And if you don't mind paying a bit more, you have a ton of options. Alfa Romeo 4C, Porsche Cayman, Lotus Elise/Exige, Nissan 370z, BMW 2-series, and Tesla Model C, for example. Seriously. Not empty in the least.
More power is great if you get a kick out of blasting out of a standing start or getting really lose around corners. If you want to really hone some driving skills, less power is actually better. It means you have to make every corner perfect and hold as much speed as possible as it takes longer to build it back up again. You'll learn how to drive perfect lines and make sure each gear-change uses the most of what you've got and don't allow the revs in the next gear to fall too far below where the power is. I drove an auto one a while back and felt it was great, but would be even better with a turbo or supercharger. Then got to think about it more. 200HP is pretty good really! They run a racing class for them in New Zealand, with only suspension mods so you really need to drive well to win anything. So, I get where they're coming from now! :)
I also just love that people think calling them slow is this scathing criticism, like imagine my shock that the spiritual successor to a overglorified corolla is "slow". It was never a fast car. It was nimble and light and fun to drive, and... oh my! Look at that, the spiritual successor also directs towards those values. Crazy.
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Is the buff horses shirt BUFF ENUFF? 💪🐴
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What's your guys favorite sedan?
Any possibility for a 3xl for a non buff human
What will you do if made your own car to sell and what standards will you have?
I want Barry Bonds steroid level buff horses 💉
10:45 hey guys come on no civil wars plzzzz
James: Does faster car make a better car?
Also James: Showing GT 86 with ferrari engine swap
That's really not a very good example, that car was purpose-built to destroy tires, not be the jack of all trades the BRZ/86 is known for being. Sure, that drift car is better at drifting, but for everything else? I'd take the stock one.
@@SCRandall No you wouldn't.
SoloCamo yes we would!!!! Lol
Ace Morales no...no you wouldn’t
Only bothered cause the first sound clip wasn't a true 86 😭
To me, the fact that the 86 has "less power" than other contemporary sports cars, and is also N/A, just makes it all the more similar to the 86 of old. People criticized that car too for being old and slow, but what a legend and unique driving experience it is and turned out to be.
The toyota 86 was created because of initial d and I think that is what people of the car world don't understand about it.
@@RemsHusband the zn6 was developed to be a spiritual successor to the 80s Corolla GTS and be a cash cow for Toyota and subaru because everyone wants an affordable rwd sports car. What the fuck is initial d?
I’m hoping for more sleek and simple cars instead of these overly developed ones. N/A with less power with loads of after market options with the ability to drift and built for cheap performance?? Hyped, beyond hyped
this car doesn't need boat loads of power... It is solid, and a blast to drive. I don't get why people keep saying it needs more power.
Little thing boots and N/A means all its power is instant and predictable.
and... tbh, you can do 110kph in 3rd, while giving the high revving japanese engine 'the beans'...
How much faster does it need to be? 😂
@@stephendeben1590 ruclips.net/video/riI_uwcmJvU/видео.html
And I quote...
"The 86 teaches the driver."
XD bunta
this car is also the car used in the sequel of initialD manga; MFghost.
@@Rejinov Yup, still waiting for chapter 74 to get translated
@@panzerofzelake3976 at the time you replied that it was already on mangakakalot lol
@@Rejinov still waiting for takumi to make an appearance lol. So far he's only mentioned.
I have a 2013 BRZ (first gen) and it’s honestly one of the best things I’ve ever driven. It may not be fast but getting that thing to whip around a turn is fun af
Bro how much is the price??
@@aymaanreza4152 I bought my 2014 BRZ for $15,500
It’s also going to be a future collectible the 2013 Scion FRS it’s guaranteed so I’m keeping mine and keeping it up to date for the future.
@@ayazmd9312 dunno. I live in the US
same number in euro
it sells between 13 000 and 17 000 euros. Lots a 15 000.
But because it's phase 1 (2012-2014), and because of the Poppet valve spring recall. (French mecanics are bad: half of them destroys the engine when doing the recall procedure)
Phase 2 gt86 (2015-2020) are much more expensive.
And with CO2 tax, i paid mine arround 60 000$ = 51 500 euros. (brand new 2020 gt86).
Même nombre en euros.
Elles se vendent entre 13 000 et 17 000 euros. Beaucoup partent a 15 000 euros.
Mais parceque ce sont des phase 1 (2012-2014), et a cause du problème du rappel des ressorts de soupapes. (toyota victime d'une fraude de l'industrie métallurgique). On n’arrête pas de voir des propriétaire de gt86 dont toyota a cassé le moteur en faisant le rappel de travers ... mais c'est normal, vu la nullité des garagistes français.
Les gt86 phase 2 sont bien plus chères: généralement plus de 20 000 euros.
Et la mienne, neuve de 2020, je l'ai payé 51 500 euros, a cause du malus CO2 mensongé. (et de l’absence de logiciel truqueur Volkswagen chez toyota)
James has a tattoo of Bart because he misses Science Garage too.
Master Xehanort i need more *SCIENCE*
Gus Bus bring it back!
What happened to it. Did he get fired?
@@matthewgribbon653 No, he leaves because he got busy with other things.
We all miss it
"Back to school in swerve city." That has to be a Deftones reference!
Also noticed Nolan rocking a Deftones shirt this week
Nolan was wearing a deftones tee last episode he did
Duuude the Deftones references recently
came here to comment precisely that
Epic lmao
People: we want an 86 with more power.
Toyota: No
People: we want a supra with a manual transmission
Toyota: No
Ok supra part was a dick move on Toyota
"you will take what I got damn give you"
Lmao I’m just glad they exist at all
People: ...
Toyota: Camry will get a TRD version.
BMW shouldent have made the supra with theyr unreliability and theyr automatic transmissions
basically, the two car companies of the 2 cars Takumi mainly drove, teamed up together just to make the Successor of the Legendary AE86? sounds like a lit collab
Yep
Don’t recall Takumi driving a Subi in InitialD, Bunta did..........
@@dennismokry258 I don’t know if ur behind or just forgetting but Bunta told Takumi to switch which car he drove during deliverys ae86 on Mondays and Impreza on Tuesdays
@@dennismokry258 Nope, to help Takumi improve, Bunta made Takumi drive his Subaru to deliver tofu. That way Takumi would know the weaknesses to his AE86 and at the same time be able to drive a new car
my doctor has one since it was new
Huge fan of this show. My wife and I watch y'all together.
Huge fan of your family, I watch your wife and you together. 🙃
You have a cool wife. My gold fish never watches videos with me.
J E that’s a fat mood🥺
Same here
@@PACKERMAN2077 Huge fan of you, I watch you.
Me: *Hears "Celica"
**Gets flashbacks of Scotty Kilmer**
dude???? why are you here??
@@kwekumensah5642 what are you on about
my man wth
I see your even here too
We better make sure Scotty doesn't see this video😂
"Today we're going to be doing the GT86"
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@@PLATESWEEPER salty GT86 owner
Fast forward to November 18, it didn't get a turbo afterall!
It might come in the later run. They included an OEM oil cooler in the announced model, so perhaps they use this feature to add a turbo in a performance version or whatever. Maybe its just for better cooling the engine at the racetrack XD
69 likes lul
And all the better for it.
@@raulbustamante8337 They won't add a turbo, an oil cooler is just needed. The current FRS/BRZ's really benefit from one if you take them to the track a good bit.
I like it that way honestly. A blank slate for you to do whatever. Turbo it, yes. Supercharge it, yes. Both, yes. Neither, yes.
“311 million dollar steak”
James just guessed mr beasts next video
What if up to speed is where MrBeast gets his ideas from.
That means morgz too
It will be in Japan and be Wagyu beefu. 和牛肉
I have a BRZ and if it wasn’t for a brother of mine that already had bought an FRS, I wouldn’t of bought one. He told me that I won’t regret getting one and he was right! Best handling car I have ever owned.
yeah same.. 86 had different setting up which alot said.. it just reverse front to back...it just good car for city drive and small cornering..
One word. Miata
@@derekwilliams6267 They're good too, but not everyone wants a soft top like that
Very easy to make a car handle good without power
I almost bought one but opted for a 2 door Mini Cooper S. If they do actually put a turbo in the next model, I’ll definitely get an 86
"RELIABILITY, which as i get older does legitimately make me become more excited."
This is true.
@@TheTazzietiger well it is a entry level car... so it want i used for weekday drive...
campkira ?
I got my BRZ a few months ago. It doesn't need more power from the factory. It's perfect for tearing around town. You can actually floor it without going to jail. I love it.
"No, the Other guy..." "Bart ?" I still miss Bart...
press F pay respects for science garage and Bart
I hope that his child is growing great ;w;
i miss bart :
Bart> Donut
F
I've had my 2015 FR-S for 3 and a half years now, and it is easily the best car I've ever owned (mind you, I've only owned three cars).
Balanced handling, responsive suspension, rock-solid reliability, and a surprising level of practicality make it almost the perfect fun daily driver. If you need one car that can take you to work at 8 AM and drift through a parking lot at 10 PM at an affordable price, I can't recommend the 86 twins highly enough.
They hate us cuz they ain't us bro
Agreed! I love mine! Haters can suck it!
I love em, just needs a STI version tho.
Love my BRZ
@@Jesusprayerwarriorbw c'mon man . Aftermarket is unlimited. 🙄
Hear me out:
High-Low BRZ and 86
Would be cool to see which was the least slow
@taur HAHAHHAHAHAH
meh
How about
Boosted BRZ vs NA build 86.
@@nsaicharan1 LS Swap VS. Forced Induction
The fact that he’s so excited about the turbo, but now that they’ve announced there’s no turbo must be so heartbreaking haha
Really?
@@22iskander yeah they’re just going with a 2.5L engine instead of 2L
That’s not the point of this car. If you want to go fast in a straight line get a muscle car.
2022 model will include turbo
@@stephendeben1590 That's a cringe take, every car is made better with some additional power. At least give the turbo version and the NA version and the turbo version will sell more because people want the most fun possible if they're buying a fun car.
"just a little bit more power would be nice"
Toyota : *adds 1 horsepower to the new 86
James: Am I a joke to you
Jovaneld Ramiro Toyota: What? I did what you wanted
Just realized there are actually a lot of bald guys on cars and coffee meet-ups
Just paint the brake calipers red for +5 hrsprs each.
Dont forget about the decals
TRD Wheel Center Caps +3.5 HrsPrs Per
James: “Does making a car faster make it better?”
Me: Well yes , but no...
Ricardo Debrito ruclips.net/video/JYLxG1Y7Mqo/видео.html
well yeah sport car... we don't drift that often so why would we own a slow car... i used it for weekday drive...
Um duh? Of course it does
Thanks for all the likes lol
tell that to mimi coopers they hit what 90 at most and can beat a ton of cars
dude i respect you guys so much , not even a car guy but im turning into one because of this channel , i can just imagine the effort going into making new videos everyday on a schedule as a team and its so dope. keep it up
James : It's was called FT-HS
Me : FT-HS?
*Thinking*
Me : F*cking Toyota Hybrid Sportscar?
ok
XD NOICE!!!
I saved up since I was 5 years old to get my dream car when I was old enough...a camaro. 1,000s of chores, tutoring, teaching, and 2 summer jobs later I finally got my license and spent my life savings on..... a used FR-S instead. It’s been almost 6 years now and I can say it was the best decision I’ve ever made. Roadtrips from one ocean to the other. Hopefully I can pass it on to kids of my own one day!
I'm actually really glad the 86 is being made. I always wish Japanese cars were still made like they were in the 90's but the it 86 is basically a modern day Silvia
wafflez_ could not agree anymore
So the Scion is like that one student who does nothing but takes credit in getting involved with the task 😂😂😂
I’ve had my ‘16 FRS for four years and it still makes me giggle every time I go up a mountain road. It really is a lot of fun
Alejandro Vega I’ve had my twin for 5 years, fully paid off and I don’t think I’ll ever get rid of it. I daily a G37 coupe now, but my BRZ will probably always stick around.
Serious question: How are they on mountain roads? Asking because I live in the mountains, and sometimes passing uphill is a must, but not every car can do it fast and reliably. Nothing worse than trying to get by a logging truck or tanker when you run out of "umph" and have to get back behind it or hope to hell nothing is coming from over the other side.
J S you passing on double yellow?
@@JS-hw8ve they get out of their own way, just don't shy away from 7000+ rpm shift points.
My experience is only Adirondack interstate elevations, though.
@@JS-hw8ve Designed here in Japan where we have 75% terrain is mountainous. That should be a good clue ;)
Hands down THE best car I have ever driven in my life!
And I've driven cars way more powerful than this...but power doesn't actually matter...fun is what matters
Preach
Every car has its own purpose. Every performance car has its own approach to "fun". A sports car relies on handling, feel, balance, tossability, and a direct connection to the road. The S2000 had that. The Elise had that. The first two generations of the Miata had that. The Toyobaru triplets had that.
For me, any approach to "fun" has value. Hell, I even enjoyed tossing around my first new car, an obscenely simple '92 Nissan Sentra E, with its 13" wheels, manual everything, and power nothing. It was FUN. If I'm to drive a muscle car or pony car, I want tire-melting burnouts, loud growling engine notes, and room for some friends. If I'm to drive a Grand Tourer, I want legs for days, power to spare, and room for some overnight bags and some golf clubs. If I'm to drive a supercar, I want to be looked at and I want to scare myself with more power and sharper turning than I could ever handle.
If, however, I want a car that feels like every ride on the playground, at any speeds, then I'll drive a sports car. The BRZ/FRS/86 is one of those cars, and it's a great one at that.
Preach it brother
indeed: time on tracks, winning race, and efficient driving is totally boring and absolutely no fun.
Sadly, race/sport cars are evaluated on this shit.
Like driving a train is boring, even if an empty TGV can easily go at more than 500 km/h. (more than 310 mph).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_speed_record
TGV 4402 (operation v150) reaching 574.8 km/h (357 mph)
@@jpcrafton69 Amen.
As soon as he said ‘does’ I immediately thought “DOES MORE EXPENSIVE EQUAL MORE BETTER?”
Alex Ochoa huzzah a man of quality
Yes but no
That really does sum up the 86. It's not fast, its times are garbage, it's not even the slickest car in the lot. But when you get in it and drive, you'll love it, I swear. I've driven so many sports cars I can't even remember owning some of them without the pictures I have. But I swear, the 86 is my favorite out of all of them.
JAMES! When are y’all going to do an Up to Speed on John Deere?!
Who cares? We need an up to speed on Cat!
Up to speed on MAN.
Pena Fitisemanu I'm born in the city with John Deeres largest factory, and we have a JD muesuem
probably when they start making road vehicles?
no
Toyota when creating Scion: Hello fellow kids
Георгій Колпак we know just what will relate to the youths of today. A car in the shape of a box
@@wardog211 yes
At the age of 33, I bought a TC. Nice little car. Not powerful, and only front-wheel-drive, but still a lot of fun. Did it appeal to kids? Not from what I could see. I expect I was the target audience.
@@jpcrafton69 I'm 54. I test drove a 2016 Scion tC a few weeks ago while shopping around for a "plague" car that I could drive around just for fun while remaining socially distant from others.
It felt like the rentals I would drive to work sites, a feeling I DON'T want to experience in my own car!
I bought a 2015 Fiat 500 Abarth instead.
Perfect. I remember hearing about the sales numbers from the first-gen Scions. Low price, high efficiency, good quality=LOTS OF OLD PEOPLE BOUGHT THEM. 😂 Remember old folks are on fixed incomes, can’t afford expensive cars, are sensible and wise and know where the tontine gold is buried and most of all, love Scions.
"Today we're going to go up to speed with The 86"
NO POWER BABY! 💀
Fr😂
Lol
Yo , I Need NOS 😂
"Just be really good" Probably the best explanation for this car lol. Nothing spectacular, it's just really good.
Its odd that a comparative small coup, the Mazda MX-5, could go generations with very nominal changes in power and still be loved, while the 86 receives criticism for it.
Many people say the Miata is a hairdresser's car, while many other people say "Miata Is Always The Answer." It gets it's share of criticism, but it's old enough that the consistency in it's design philosophy is part of the love, and the bulk of the power-critics have probably gone on to looking at different cars instead.
Meanwhile, the GT86 is much newer, and the big boys behind the engine (Subaru) love juggling turbos so much that everyone is wondering how one hasn't accidentally fallen into the BRZ yet.
I would love mine to have a turbo, but the car is already such a nice drive that it'd sort of be a waste.
Case of bias before trying. I would gather 95% of those who hammer on the car have never actually driven one at all or for its intended purpose. Meanwhile in the twisty b-roads I can guarantee every owner is grinning ear to ear. Haters gonna hate.
because its heavy
@@alex-vu3gv It's not heavy, compared to most cars out today at all.
Chris Jones it is compared to a Miata
I own this car, knows its history and I’m still watching this. No clue why? Donut 🍩 media just make great content lol 🔥
Cool story bro. Add more dragons next time.
#themoreyouknow
I want this car so bad this is my dream car
Lunar Strike, you will get it 🔥 be patient. It took me 1 year 1/2. And I’m only 18.
I don’t know if I should get a 86 or a g35
@@lucsmith3953 driven hard the g35 will feel heavy, and go through tires, brakes and fuel much faster than an 86.
Also it will struggle much quicker with engine overheating.
It all depends on what kind of driving you like.
If it helps: when you don't see the issue with putting 19 inch wheels on an 86, then the g35 is the right choice.
if is see mo powa baby imma be happy af
edit: bruh it happened in the first minute
“ You deserve a car that starts every time.” 🤣 Yes, yes I do!
Toyota: The car responds to good driving skills.
That’s like when Bunta Fujiwara said “That car trains it’s driver”
Wise words
Exactly what I was thinking
Everyone:make weight reduction on their cars to make them lighter
James:*makes weight reduction on himself*
Ohh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ROASTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@MotorTorq_ZA its more of a compliment.
Technically if you are less weight so is the car
Oh 😐
Nice RUclips name
FINALLY!! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE!!!
A lot criticize it's power, I was one of those people...
Now I own a BRZ and never been happier!
His excitement for a turbo Brz/Gr86 didn’t age well😭
James: there was really nothing fun going on in the 2000's
altezza, aristo: am i a joke to you?
The Celica was also produced until 2005
We need a up to speed on the Altezza
Also considering the Project engineer of the AE86 made the Altezza/IS300 SXE10/JCE10.
they're kinda... fat, at least the lexus versions
wish we got a toyota badged RS200
Cringe bro
“Say hi to Tupac for me” lmao
16:37
Translation: It would make the car worth more than you can afford.
"More than you can afford, pal: Toyobaru. 🤨"
Insurance would be a killer
Also, that sick red Ferrari powered 86 they show around 16:37 got binned into the wall in that video shoot. Maybe not from the balance, but still ironic enough for me!
I literally sold my Evo X GSR because after I drove my dad's 2013 FRS and felt more connected to a car that was so much easier to operate and drive, that I had to get in line for the new GR86 even if I have to wait months to get it.
Finally! Thank you for doing this video! I’ve had a turbo in my BRZ for 5 years now, putting out 275whp, I couldn’t ever go back to NA. It should’ve come with FI from the factory, it didn’t upset weight distribution at all.
Have you had any issues? What brand did you get
Gustavo Salgado It’s a SBD kit (the Greddy knock-off). Winter mix fuel causes an O2 sensor warning every winter but the actual sensor is fine. I always run 93 octane, E85 stations are hard to find in my city. I think the winter O2 sensor issue is probably an OFT problem, I should’ve gotten EcuTek. So I reset the ECU once a month in winter. No issues aside from that annoyance. IMO getting it tuned by a great pro-tuner is the biggest factor in reliability. I’m going to have him retune it using EcuTek and see if the winter O2 sensor problem goes away.
I just turbo’ed my BRZ about a month or so ago. Full Blown Motorsports Stage 2 kit, definitely made a huge difference! lol currently pushing way too much boost at 14 PSI, gonna drop it down to 10 PSI soon 😌
@@DjDizzy216Any reliability issues?
Im gonna be honest with you guys
We miss Bart and Science Garage
I liked him. He's the only donut presenter my family is okay with. His show is educational and weird.
@@lordflufffluff Your family is ok with? What is happening there?
What ever even happened to Bart
No we don't 🤷♂️
Science Garage > Money Pit imo
The Scion FRS/86 is my favorite type of car, I've been waiting for this day
the early 2000s concept cars are so funny to me, I love how they make them so extremely futuristic
Me seeing the thumbnail: that’s half 86 half Ferrari
Known as the 4586
Just like Bunta Fujiwara said “The 86 trains the driver”
I also like initial D.
Yeah, but he's talking about the _real_ 86
That was said by Tsuchiya Keiichi too. I think Shigeno just quoted him.
@@joaquinvillasenor4818
I feel like the drift King was just drives the 86 because he loves the car. Cars don't have to be amazing for you to love them, you just have to bond with them. I feel like they could have as easily liked the Miata or s2000.
This is purely speculation on my part.
In Soviet Russia GT86 drives you so no problem
2:41 Chapter 1
7:54 Chapter 2
14:14 Chapter 3
17:38 Chapter 4
Just bought my own GT86, will pick it up next week. "Very excite!" Thanks for the video
I bought a frs a couple days ago and loving it since
I fuxking love this car...!
@@Afganha ikr amazing
Honestly I like the slow & simple starting point of these cars. It allows a young driver to learn and grow with their car.
A friend of a friend put in flexfuel mods to his BRZ first, and as he got used to the power he then got the HKS turbo kit bolted on.
290 kW (~400 hp) in such a light package! Not something you can just buy and drive without any experience...
Scion was such a great brand. Still proudly rolling my 06 tC that I got when I was 19. First and only brand new car I've ever purchased. Served its purpose to introduce younger buyers to the Toyota brand, as I've had 2 4Runners and a Tundra since!
My story is similar lol got an 07 scion when I was in 16 (2016) and just bough an 86 lol
The 86 is dope especially when you guys do a video on it.
3:35 I drive a red 2009 RAV4 and seeing one get airborne was beautiful
I just saw that the note James is chasing in the intro says “from dad”
Went to check it.. Hilarious 🤣
Could of used a little more "Initial D" references.
It was featured in the last episode where Takumi drove pass one with license plate saying thankyou 86
True
@@AaronShenghao 86-239
I love every single video that Donut puts out, y’all need to be wayyyy more famous than you are now. #502
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I had a 2017 Toyota 86. IT IS FUN TO DRIVE!!!! suspension is well balanced and it can drift!!
So happy for this episode. I’ve had my FR-S since 2014 and buying this car is one of best decisions I’ve ever made in life. As an avid autocrosser since buying the car I believe I understand Tada-San’s reluctance I add power and I’m still happy with my fun [slow] car. Excited about the rumors for the 2nd gen though!
The episode I wanted for so long!! I own one and have been driving it for 3 years, every-single-time I drive it I love it. It’s just so fun and nice to drive
"Nothing going on in the mid two thousands."
*sad Toyota Celica VVTL-I noises*
Oh you must need lift bolts if those noises are sad to you
The last generation celica was 👎
Rwd gt86 > fwd celica
I had a 2000 Celica GT-S and the valve program wouldn’t kick in. Spent nearly $1000 at the Toyota dealership to no avail. Turns out it was a simple fix, but this wasn’t known at the time (internet forums were in their infancy)
Also sad Corolla XRS 2005-2006 VVTL-I noises
I REALLY liked my 2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT. The biggest problem I had with it was that it was FWD (and heavy, but ignore that).
The 86 really seems like the best version of my old Eclipse that I can imagine. Now that I'm no longer a young naive budget "sports car" owner with shallow pockets I REALLY want to become a slightly older budget "sports car" owner with much deeper pockets. Kudos Toyota, you're still killing it!
Also, "Hearse Purrs!" lol
Love this show man, keep up the attitude James. Also showed all my friends and they love it
10:32 i like James' conversations with himself, while simultaneously doing a Donut plug ha
Love my 86, grinding to get a second garage so I can keep her forever! Looking to get the 2021 Supra as well.
I bought my 86 and a couple of years through ownership, I turbo'd the car. Small turbo (basically the same as the WRX now), but my god, it makes the car SOOO much better. No more annoying torque dip, nicer power out of corners, its just *MUAHH*. It's a shame they never brought the car out with a factory turbo, even as a separate model.
what turbo did you put on it?
Day 134 of asking James to do an Up to speed on his Dad
PaganiGaming u suck bro stop it we understood
Day 1 of seconding this motion
Very Naice
Hahahahaha
@@-avinash2344 you suck bro
We all want that
> Takumi finally defeats everyone in Kanto Region.
> Every driver he defeated shows up to support him.
> The next day he delivers tofu.
> He's running downhill now.
> *m.o.v.e. - Rage your dream plays in background* ruclips.net/video/KoFSQeOAYz4/видео.html
> your tears fall as this is the ending of Initial D
> GT86 Shows up
> plate says: 86-239 = hachiroku ni sankyu = *_Thank you. Eight-Six_*
> _You cry harder now_
> everything turns to white
> *YOU NOW REMEMBER THERE'S A GT86 IN MF GHOST, INITIAL D's SUCCESSOR*
> *TEARS OF HAPPINESS FLOW MORE*
God damn you. Now I'm crying...
It's so beautiful...!!!
Can confirm. Cried when I watched.
Also can confirm. Reading MF ghost. All I can say to that is I can't fucking wait for when they inevitably make it an anime
@@_Zekken maybe the reason why dave rodgers is remastering the classic eurobeat tracks
@@_Zekken if it doesnt have eurobeat....
ill put em in myself
"slow cars handle good" - MCM
Mini cooperd
Miata’d
_"More Horsepower makes you faster in straights. Lightness makes you faster everywhere."_
*-Lotus probably? I don't know who really said it tbh. I just heard it*
@@moisesezequielgutierrez yeah its lotus
This video pretty much made me buy my 86, and I love it.
Jeremy Clarkson knew what was the 86 made for.
That one handed drift while reading a book was awesome.
@@lonewanderer3603 ikr
To say the n word?
@@Derikimi when did he? In that small song?
@@iaintdonknow
If you knew that it was song then you know when he said it.
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE AT 11:00, YOU JUST PUSHED IN THE DAYS OF THE SHOWS :D
PRETTY SMOOTH!!
FRZ-86: All the bases are covered.
WOW! The Toyobaru is an amazing machine! Why have I not bought one yet! Awesome video guys! I watch every day and you all are pumping out the best automotive educational entertainment on the internet!
Immagine subaru helped you with a group project at school
Me i wish 😂
Imagine having a group for your project at school... wow I just went deep.😐
I love them. Yota. Subbie and scion. It fills the very empty 2 door rear wheel drive compact void.
MX-5 is still there, along with the Fiat 124. Empty? No. And if you don't mind paying a bit more, you have a ton of options. Alfa Romeo 4C, Porsche Cayman, Lotus Elise/Exige, Nissan 370z, BMW 2-series, and Tesla Model C, for example.
Seriously. Not empty in the least.
Porsche? Jesus comparing them to toyota
@@jpcrafton69 You listed a bunch of stuff that's a lot more expensive. And the miata/fiat are still different enough to consider an 86 over them.
No matter how many cars come out my love for the Toyota Trueno D AE 86 WILL NEVER FADE
Fun fact: BRZ means “Fast” in Serbian, kind of ironic
And CRO...
They should rename it to the 'Toyota Požuri Jebo Te'.
How you pronounce that shit with no vowels
Marshall Hemmerich lmao ye
Marshall Hemmerich pžr jbt
More power is great if you get a kick out of blasting out of a standing start or getting really lose around corners. If you want to really hone some driving skills, less power is actually better. It means you have to make every corner perfect and hold as much speed as possible as it takes longer to build it back up again. You'll learn how to drive perfect lines and make sure each gear-change uses the most of what you've got and don't allow the revs in the next gear to fall too far below where the power is. I drove an auto one a while back and felt it was great, but would be even better with a turbo or supercharger. Then got to think about it more. 200HP is pretty good really! They run a racing class for them in New Zealand, with only suspension mods so you really need to drive well to win anything. So, I get where they're coming from now! :)
"Go back to school in swerve city" means you love deftones, James
First it was Nolan with Deftones shirt, now it's James with Deftones reference, what's next?
I was about to post that, but you ma good sir beat me to it.
#deftonesrule
That intro blackboard is why we love this channel so much
10:46 I thought they were gonna talk about science garage with Bart... 😔
He got fired i heard
@@monksapollo735 Nope, he left, he's a dad now
Just realized there are actually a lot of bald guys on cars and coffee meet-ups
hairs are not aerodynamics, they're just peak performance drivers!
Weight reduction bro
Just from all the stress of working on their cars
@@scottjohnson8364 This^^^ right here honestly
I loved my FR-S. So much fun as my first car
“Toyobaru” 😂😂😂 I wasn’t ready for that 😂
I remember seeing one on 2013 and it was a Scion, it was super cool
9:08 I think you meant to say "Parallel" to the ground, but semantics.
4:23 in case someone is wandering
It's translated as Choice of a leader
Thanks comrade.
Ukrainian vibes
I also just love that people think calling them slow is this scathing criticism, like imagine my shock that the spiritual successor to a overglorified corolla is "slow".
It was never a fast car. It was nimble and light and fun to drive, and... oh my! Look at that, the spiritual successor also directs towards those values. Crazy.
"MORE POWAH WAS NEEDED TO FIT HOW IT LOOKS BABY"
I absolutely love watching Up to Speed. I literally start my day at work with a video💖💖
"I love leakin' stuff."
- James Pumphrey
Than we'll see lot lil Pumphreys😂😂😂
i just saw one of these on the streets today and had to come back to this video.