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No one wants to buy your MOD, everyone wants to buy stock. Turbo your BRZ and you will blow up the engine or drive it around till it blows up because no one wants to buy your project car.
No, not really. It was meant to be a cheap RWD manual sports car that handled really well. But, i mean, if you want more power then just get a forced induction kit or something. Just my opinion though.
@@jamestorrens645 I agree with you on the first part. There are good kits out there from what I've read. Many people just think that they can slap on a turbo and a little cooling and have fun. Adding substantial power to relatively low hp cars is opening a whole can of worms.
@@Andrei-eb2du I live in Denmark. I believe you can increase the power output of the original engine up to +20% here. More than that and you have to register the car again as a new vehichle. There are MANY rules connected to that but as a rule of thumb you can add 150% to the cost of the original car. Phew :)
Jonas Rosenven in Romania it's almost the same story but with a lot more communism, you have to go to an authorized garage by the police, go to the police so they will test everything with your car and it can't exceed 40% more power than stock
This is the PERFECT BRZ for me, cause it's SUPER CLEAN, nothing too extravagant, nothing too exaggerated, and under the hood is the serious stuff !! GREAT WORK.
After watching this video over and over and over again for 2+ years, I'm so excited to say I picked up my JDL kit last friday and will be installing it this weekend!
I really like how he has some mechanical sympathy for the cars he reviews. Clearly respectful of the fact that it’s someone else’s car and drives in a casually spirited manner. *tips hat*
Part of me always wanted a turbo brz . The other part of me is afraid of modded cars like this cause I'd constantly be afraid while driving it hard that it was going to break.
I hear ya..theres more load and heat than it was originally designed for. On the other hand, its not a wildly expensive engine if it does decide to die lol
@@TedwardDrives I'd probably want it as a autocross/track car. And then it would also probably end up pulling DD duty half the time cause it's pretty awesome. Just like everybody else says though it's just not enough power stock. Even if it was fiesta ST fast from the factory it would be better off
Something is going to break. That's the problem. It takes a lot of disposable income to build something and then rebuild it the right way when it blows up. The owner of this car probably has enough cash in hand to rebuild the motor once it goes.
@@TedwardDrives Yes, there are plenty of engines available in junk yards. These cars, in spite of their low power get totaled a lot. I know a work partner around the age of 40 having totaled his with the only mods being wheels and Toyo Proxes T1 Sport tires. So all he did was add more grip, kept the power stock and still managed to total the car, lol.
@@ForTheLoveOfDriving Depending on what conutry you are in... In Australia, prices are definitely not down, and have been the same for about 1.5 years now (Trust me, I've been looking 🤣😭)
@@ForTheLoveOfDriving $12K US I'm guessing... That's honestly about the same as here, just the thing is... I'm 17 and don't have a job yet, but I'm definitely going to get one in a few months from now as my university will provide job options which are chosen specifically for the course which I will be doing And also, yes we have utes 🤣🤣. Those Holden utes are absolutely amazing, however a used 86 fits much better in my price budget, and lifestyle (A used 86, depending on the condition, will last me much longer than a performance Holden ute - Not to mention that it's illegal to drive most of those utes when your on your P plate)
You were DANGEROUSLY close to where we do the reviews! Amazing backroads over there in central mass. Love the noise, the true missing link to me with the BRZ. Having that turbo surge just matches the looks to the T and fills in the power gap. What a cool machine.
8:15 - "and a more aggressive, upgraded clutch, because manufacturers don't give you much more than it can handle." me: "yup, just like when I tuned my GTI." 8:22 - "...and VW owners can attest to that." ...this guy knows his tuner cars. lol
@@TedwardDrives i had read about it and was like "eh, i'll be gentle." it literally started slipping when i did a pull showing off for a girl. was like "damn." xD
Modded GTI owner here...yup! All the cars in this class with 300hp/300 lb+ and matching clutch are beasts. Whoooole different ballgame. But....gotta have the clutch..got-to...
Yes legend. One of the best handling cars you can buy period. Extremely capable chassis. Just like other legends like the E30 M3 and 240SX. You can add power to a BRZ but you will never be able to make a 370Z, Mustang, or Camaro handle like a BRZ.
@@jjchockey dude it's not a legend. People been using the work legend for anything . The car is to expensive for 200hp . If you want a handling track car then buy sum else. The brz can produce power.
It’s literally one of the best handling chassis money can buy. Power isnt everything. You can add power to this car. However you will never make an M4, Mustang, or 370Z handle like a BRZ. Yes those cars have more outright grip stock for stock but they are much heavier, bigger, and less nimble then the BRZ which ways a half ton less then some of those, has a much lower center of gravity, and more precise steering.
After adding a turbo to my FRS, it's really apparent that while yes, more power is great, there's a delicate balance there. I've had to upgrade my clutch, suspension, transmission mount, motor mounts, wheels/tires, injectors, brakes, and get a tune that is SPOT on. The balance from factory is art and tough to maintain with over 300whp. I'm personally happy that these cars come without a lot of power- it's so rewarding to feel it evolve under your ownership. Awesome review, what exhaust is on the car?
@@IzajResGS the car has plenty of power from factory. Use case is what leads it to feel underwhelming- if you're not using it for what it was designed for, of course it'll seem boring. Nobody complains about their Chevy 2500's body roll on track, or the poor towing capacity on their 370z. It's not the manufacturer's fault if you buy this car to drag race
Alexander It's nice to hear from a real owner that actually did modify the power output. So many videos just show a car with boosted power but they rarely show what's really involved. Every time you add power you have to add something else too. It's never really just a case of "Slap on turbo/supercharger - get hp - enjoy". Savageese did a video some years back doing a boosted car. Adding substantial power to a car is not a shake and bake thing normal people can just do.
I bought a 370z over a BRZ because of the lack of power in the BRZ. It definitely seems like this turbo setup would solve the power issue, although personally I think I'd go for a Supercharger to get more linear throttle response (assuming money is no object). That said, I'm in love with the instant throttle response and linear power delivery of the naturally aspirated VQ37 motor in the 'Z. NA all the way.
I had the same dilemma, either a brz/86 or a 350/370. i ended up going with an 86, because i disliked the feel of the z - the ride just felt... wrong somehow. My friend has a 370z which we take out on the backroads together sometimes, and the 86 definately handles better than the 370 (dont get me wrong i still think the z is a awesome car too). He leaves me on the straights but i leave him in the corners. if it had like even just 30 50 extra HP it would turn a great car into an awesome one. And i totally agree, i am looking at a centrifugal or twin screw supercharger for my 86. I think they will benifit more from the supercharger than a turbo, even if it means slightly less power
@@vdoxsamp7283 Fair enough. I like the horsepower bump in the new brz, and visually it looks like the front is jaguar and the back end is a mini Acura NSX
I think it should be NA. BUT not so "lazy" as stock one is (i know, its not lazy, but that anticlimatic curve...). High RPM engine around 250hp would be perfect for this car. Imagine that sound of 9k RPM boxer...
@@kavan1773 Driving the s2k under the vtec zone you can get up to 40+mpgs but because owners rev it up to 9k rpms its the reason why their mpgs aren't as good.
I did not feel like my FR-S was underpowered for the road, was a great slow car fast experience in the twisties. The torque dip though was a downer, my am no speedy driver, but definitely found that torque dip was spoiling the fun.
All I have done so far is to go Unequal Length Headers and a catback exhaust for the rumble. Once you remove the torque dip, this car is super lovely to drive. It’s so fun.
Pick up a oft tablet and tune it to stage 1, you can do it on a stock car and it will help reduce that torque dip . Once you get headers , you can increase the tune to stage 2 or 2+ ( el or uel headers ) and that will further reduce the torque dip while giving you a little more power
The amount of people that buy these and then line up at their local car meet to drag their buddy in his 5.0 mustang is just insane. Thats like buying a Mini cooper and being pissed off that It cant tow your 6500 pound trailer. These cars need twists and turns and shit to really feel what they can do. Driving in a straight line is boring as fuck anyway.
He knew what he was building and how he was going to build it, I like it! Should definitely invest in some slotted and drilled rotors and a bbk and at least a stage 2 clutch with a lightweight flywheel.
From what I've heard in videos with the new 2.4L BRZ coming, it sounds really good. Just hope that Subaru hasn't made the engine delicate (official reports is that it is NOT a turbo-removed 2.4 engine from their other vehicles, but a new design) and cause the aftermarket guys to have to update rods, pistons, gaskets, bolts, etc. etc. etc.
under the hood at 1:14, it looks like that car was MADE to be turbocharged. Such a beautiful clean install. Very nice. That is exactly how those cars should have came out of the factory from day one IMHO. good vid! I have had this waiting on the watch it later playlist for like almost a year! Sorry. Time just gets away from me these days! Great vid dude!
Everyone's talking about how great the car is, and I'm just sitting here like "I need to know where those roads are in central MA so I can take my BRZ on them" lmao. Really though, that is a NICELY set up car! Someday I'll get mine turbo'd
i recognized the area because i live literally right where he was recording some of the roads are Bellingham Ma-Hopedale/mendon MA and all the woodsy roads are uxbridge/upton/northbridge MA area
Installing the Edelbrock eForce supercharger kit was the best thing I ever did to my to my 2016 BRZ. Had DD Performance Research do the tuning and on the dyno I get 287 wheel HP and the car is a perfect daily driver and occasion track car. Yes, I had to go to 8" rims and do a few other mods but otherwise it's mostly stock an fine.
I accidentaly bump into your video, but I am really pleased that you are one of not many others that dont talk nonsense :) You seem like you know what are you talking about. I owned a GT86 for a year and I can agree with you in every word
Cheaper alternative for more fun in a brz that you plan to daily: Buy new headers with a tune and you get 25-30hp more and the torque dip is completely gone plus your car will last way longer and consume way less fuel
I give you mad props for not making it sound like a clapped out civic it’s cool n all but it’s still slow... you coulda bought something much better for the money of the car+build 😐 but to each their own, after owning my 16’ WRX (protuned) for 5 years, I won’t be able to part with AWD performance EVER, for daily use plus having amazing control and playfulness in the snow with “snow tires” 🤣 I’m upgrading to the next level to an RS3 this coming year. •Inline 5 Cyl PERFECTION •Quattro (Haldex) •Audi Quality Interior •Closed Deck Block •400hp •Insane Power increase from Stage 1 tune •Hold value due to being rare
Nice review! The turbo noises are addictive. Still not sure why Subaru doesn't have an STI BRZ with a turbo from the factory. Im sure it would sell like hotcakes. I bet a lighter flywheel will help with heel toe shifting. Might as well upgrade the clutch too while the owner is in there.
They won't sell a factory turbo because a turbo BRZ would cannibalize sales from the WRX, and potentially from the Toyota Supra, which shares a developer with this car. A sad fact, as all anyone wants is a factory warranty on a turbo in this chassis.
@@redlion145 ^ this right here. RWD sports coupe under 3 thousand pounds with a turbo from the factory.. Its performance would be wayy to close to the WRX, shit the price of a brz Isnt too far under the WRX. Here in canada the WRX starts at 29995 while the brz starts at 27995. It would almost be in direct competition with the WRX if they actually boosted the brz from the factory.
So many cars today speak more to owners bank account than the individual. This is more personal than another car same total sunk cost but stock..so while it kills on resale, the value is in the buiLd vs writing a big cheque and driving off the lot in an m3
AceCustomz not really..my thought was a dollar for dollar approximation...roughly..buy a new M3 or tune the BRZ for maybe same outlay..the M3 vs hypercar doesn’t compare on cost..am thinking would be near impossible to spend hypercar money on an M3..
@@johnaitken7430 It's not that hard when you're going to build it into a proper record beating racecar xD (idk what record you're going to beat with an M3 tho... maybe the world's ugliest racecar if you use the new one...?)
AceCustomz you have that right..BMW lost the plot some time back..while my wife had an m3 a gen ago, and I had a 1m I was dumb to sell, there hasn’t been much of interest lately
The FRS/BRZ/86 is like the US spec S chassis all over again. Nissan kept people wanting a turbo version through its production run, but it never came. They were left to turbo their own or swap in the SR20 that the rest of the world got. The S2000 fits here too. It was awesome car, but it also left people wanting more. Just a little more.
I love it as NA, makes it more like a blank canvas. That said, hopefully the new 86 comes out still as NA but with better internals and a power bump that makes sense for a 4-cyl
The stock BRZ actually has a pretty good throttle response for rev-matching. I guess the owner may have tuned it with a different map when adding the turbo.
You think the reason Toyota and Subaru never wanted this to be turbo is so they didn’t have competition for the sti market and eventual Supra market? Who would buy them when you could essentially get something of similar speed for much less price? Just a theory
it's designed after the old 86 Corolla. It was never meant to have tons of power. They chose to spend all the money on the chassis. And yes, 300 hp on this car will embarass and STI easily.
I have a 2013 FRS with a GT28RS at 12.5 lbs on the lowest setting. Open wastegate dumping right below the engine. It makes such glorious noises. Clean ass car in this video. The way the 86 Twins should have been.
Class build well thought thru. I like these tuned cars..takes balls to put oneself out there as risk looking an idiot if it flops ..it’s not about winning or losing, it’s about everyone laying down their best and having fun
A boosted top-spec BRZ is literally my dream car right now. But in my case I don't think I could be bothered (or afford) to completely re-engineer the thing, so I'd be looking at one of those nice little centrifugal blower kits just to fill in the torque hole. Anything more than that and it'd be bye bye wallet or bye bye license. 😆
i used to want to make a 1000hp brz like those big turbo supras, but now that i think about it, this platform really dont need much power to be fun, its low power gives it its character
This is literally how I was going to run my gauges and I thought I was the only one cause I had never seen it but guess I'm not now 🤣 just boosted mine too
I’m currently working on a built motor turbo FRS. As soon as my forged internals long block gets shipped back to me, I’ll be installing it with my turbo kit. The estimated hp numbers, with my build are 450-480hp, which will be right in line with my 450hp goal for the car. At 2800lbs, I think it’ll be a monster. Here’s hoping 🤞
I believe it does but its not big enough. The fluctuation in temps was massive without much load on the engine. The owner said he's installing a larger one. It will be 100% necessary if it goes to the track.
@@TedwardDrives When people begin to realise the scope of tuning a car's engine instead of just buying a faster one only the most determined/stupid/informed/loaded of them go on from that point :)
@@DevinGT350R If thats water temp on the gauge there in the air vent, that's also pretty concerning to have it that high being not that super hard driving on the road. Shouldn't see much more than 200F imo.
Yknow, I wasn't a big fan of all the rally cars, STIs, BRZs because of the immature drivers who drive these cars in my city. But I learned to love it, because it isn't the car, it's the driver. This video made me look into maybe owning a BRZ, and building it.
Honestly I haven't thought about going forced induction on my BRZ, I've thought about remaining NA and make a extra 80hp reliably. Right now though just enjoying her stock
I'd be interested to know how you plan to do that without an engine swap. BRZ owner here, and I've heard the most you can get on NA is 270 HP, and that's with an E85 tune. I could be wrong, but I have researched it fairly extensively.
@@redlion145 270hp would smash every NA FA20 record out there lol Average numbers, on the high side, for headers, drop in filter, exhaust, E85 and a tune is around 210whp. There's a few outliers going up to 220whp. There are people who'll claim more, but that's on very happy dynos and in their imagination
@@matthewvanzyl6158 Perhaps we're talking about two different things. I didn't give figures in terms of WHP, but rather horsepower at the crank. Your numbers may be accurate, I'd have to go and reread the threads on ft86club's website. Regardless, I think we're both in agreement that 280 HP, either at the crank or at the wheels, is outlandish without forced induction.
@@TedwardDrives quick question while I have you here, what camera is it that you use for your POV videos ?? Looking for one , and the quality of this is great!
@@WhitneyChase Go Pro Hero 8. Not sure if its in this description but all the newer videos have the equipment list in the description. The 9 has been released but it has more megapixels which means lower dynamic range. I wouldn't trust it to capture the shadows.
Everyone neglects the brakes and transmission. Just want more power because that's what gets the boys at car meets. Upgrading clutch and flywheel, driveshaft, and brakes is always neglected and should be first in preparation for power.
It's definitely respectable how you don't want to explode peoples cars, but in the end its the risk they took letting someone else drive it. also. if you think thats fun you should see a focus st/rs with anything other than their stock turbo. whole different car, and i wish i was lying
Every vehicle has its own best track: probably, Brz wishes turns more than straight. Drive Brz on mountains street, with U-turns and short straights, and discover its precoius engine
I dont know… i think the brz is naturally aspirated for a reason, the compression ratio is 13:1 stock and there’s no way to add forced induction without raising the centre of gravity and losing pace around bends as a result
No need for pedal dance (diagnostic mode), for shutting down TC. While stationary, hold the TC button (left one), for about three seconds. Both, VSC and TC lights will turn on. That's how I track my supercharged car.
We did this at the tire rack test track and still interfered even with all the lights on. Once we did pedal dance it was happy on the skid pad. I don’t know them well enough but that was the experience I had 😂
@@TedwardDrives you may get some stability control interference (just brake application) at very high angles, but no throttle cut. At least on for me, I get no interference on road course and sometimes I get pretty sketchy with my driving.
@@anthonybelton-ford3124 yeah the DQ250 trans can hold somewhere around 400lb/ft before you run into problems, even though it's only rated to 295lb/ft. Obviously frequent launches will hurt it though. I got an '18 GTI and I plan to go stage 1 once the warranty expires.
If Subaru smart, they'd put 2.4T on the new BRZ they are going to reveal next week. It'll probably cost 3k-4k more, but that only take it to about 32k-33k range which is still very affordable.
I have a built engine and an AVO billet turbo and it made 347 at the wheels on a Mustang dyno on my FRS. The scavenge pump failed (I think it was my fault), so when the new one comes in, I can't wait to drive again.
Low key I just want 306-hp VTEC Turbo K20 2020 Civic Engine in BRZ. . . Imagine 100k miles of reliable 300bhp at high revs. Crazy how Honda makes the engines I want, and Subaru makes RWD Chassis I have.
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Turbo
Turbo
High compression stroker kit.
NA!!!!!
No one wants to buy your MOD, everyone wants to buy stock. Turbo your BRZ and you will blow up the engine or drive it around till it blows up because no one wants to buy your project car.
Ooooh, this is proper.
whoosh beast!
I know you miss your brz
Brian Do when it rains and when it snows!
@@TheTopher What do you have in mind to replace? Love to see a update on your channel!
DO IT!
This is how the brz was suppose to be released
No, not really. It was meant to be a cheap RWD manual sports car that handled really well. But, i mean, if you want more power then just get a forced induction kit or something. Just my opinion though.
@@jamestorrens645 I agree with you on the first part. There are good kits out there from what I've read. Many people just think that they can slap on a turbo and a little cooling and have fun. Adding substantial power to relatively low hp cars is opening a whole can of worms.
Toyota 86 yeah it's easy for you to add a turbo, in my country it's fucking illegal to get a chip tune let alone to add force induction
@@Andrei-eb2du I live in Denmark. I believe you can increase the power output of the original engine up to +20% here. More than that and you have to register the car again as a new vehichle. There are MANY rules connected to that but as a rule of thumb you can add 150% to the cost of the original car. Phew :)
Jonas Rosenven in Romania it's almost the same story but with a lot more communism, you have to go to an authorized garage by the police, go to the police so they will test everything with your car and it can't exceed 40% more power than stock
This is the PERFECT BRZ for me, cause it's SUPER CLEAN, nothing too extravagant, nothing too exaggerated, and under the hood is the serious stuff !! GREAT WORK.
After watching this video over and over and over again for 2+ years, I'm so excited to say I picked up my JDL kit last friday and will be installing it this weekend!
Got an Instagram??
Do you have an update?
it blow up yet?
@@chipskylark5188 nope
@@Spextre good shit
this has me drooling i need
Why yes it did kind, Sir
I really like how he has some mechanical sympathy for the cars he reviews. Clearly respectful of the fact that it’s someone else’s car and drives in a casually spirited manner. *tips hat*
*tipshat* "M'car guy
Part of me always wanted a turbo brz . The other part of me is afraid of modded cars like this cause I'd constantly be afraid while driving it hard that it was going to break.
I hear ya..theres more load and heat than it was originally designed for. On the other hand, its not a wildly expensive engine if it does decide to die lol
@@TedwardDrives I'd probably want it as a autocross/track car. And then it would also probably end up pulling DD duty half the time cause it's pretty awesome. Just like everybody else says though it's just not enough power stock. Even if it was fiesta ST fast from the factory it would be better off
Something is going to break. That's the problem. It takes a lot of disposable income to build something and then rebuild it the right way when it blows up. The owner of this car probably has enough cash in hand to rebuild the motor once it goes.
@@TedwardDrives Yes, there are plenty of engines available in junk yards. These cars, in spite of their low power get totaled a lot. I know a work partner around the age of 40 having totaled his with the only mods being wheels and Toyo Proxes T1 Sport tires. So all he did was add more grip, kept the power stock and still managed to total the car, lol.
Its only 100hp more than stock lol... if this isn’t conservative idk what is.
Brz is one of the coolest looking jdm cars in my opinion
It is, that is one of the reasons I got it lol.
I say Honda s2k with aftermarket headlights
@@michealgray533 ye thats defo up there
It’s not a opinion. It’s a fact. It really is cool looking.
Jdm only if its RHD
Me sitting here wondering if I'll be able to afford the turbo mod on a Brz
Then realising I must first be able to afford the Brz itself...
Get you a used one on marketplace prices are way down
@@ForTheLoveOfDriving Depending on what conutry you are in... In Australia, prices are definitely not down, and have been the same for about 1.5 years now (Trust me, I've been looking 🤣😭)
@@qwertiee 😂😂 I'm in the US. The forums here in Texas has some under 12k. At least you guys get utes
@@ForTheLoveOfDriving $12K US I'm guessing... That's honestly about the same as here, just the thing is... I'm 17 and don't have a job yet, but I'm definitely going to get one in a few months from now as my university will provide job options which are chosen specifically for the course which I will be doing
And also, yes we have utes 🤣🤣. Those Holden utes are absolutely amazing, however a used 86 fits much better in my price budget, and lifestyle (A used 86, depending on the condition, will last me much longer than a performance Holden ute - Not to mention that it's illegal to drive most of those utes when your on your P plate)
Brah if u can’t afford a brz u broke af😂😂😂
You were DANGEROUSLY close to where we do the reviews! Amazing backroads over there in central mass.
Love the noise, the true missing link to me with the BRZ. Having that turbo surge just matches the looks to the T and fills in the power gap. What a cool machine.
Someday we'll run into each other while filming lol
@@TedwardDrives
The dream!
@@TedwardDrives Heh, hopefully not literally
8:15 - "and a more aggressive, upgraded clutch, because manufacturers don't give you much more than it can handle."
me: "yup, just like when I tuned my GTI."
8:22 - "...and VW owners can attest to that."
...this guy knows his tuner cars. lol
hahaha so many videos from my friends saying "damnit...clutch is toast and its only a stage 1 tune"
@@TedwardDrives i had read about it and was like "eh, i'll be gentle." it literally started slipping when i did a pull showing off for a girl.
was like "damn." xD
@@SpaceMissile rule numero uno: never show off for girls in your car. Because if you fuck up, you fuck up bad...
Modded GTI owner here...yup! All the cars in this class with 300hp/300 lb+ and matching clutch are beasts. Whoooole different ballgame. But....gotta have the clutch..got-to...
This car is a legend I can’t wait for the redesign next year
Yes legend. One of the best handling cars you can buy period. Extremely capable chassis. Just like other legends like the E30 M3 and 240SX. You can add power to a BRZ but you will never be able to make a 370Z, Mustang, or Camaro handle like a BRZ.
@@jjchockey dude it's not a legend. People been using the work legend for anything . The car is to expensive for 200hp . If you want a handling track car then buy sum else. The brz can produce power.
@@jjchockey btw a camero handles better aswell as a mustang.
It’s literally one of the best handling chassis money can buy. Power isnt everything. You can add power to this car. However you will never make an M4, Mustang, or 370Z handle like a BRZ. Yes those cars have more outright grip stock for stock but they are much heavier, bigger, and less nimble then the BRZ which ways a half ton less then some of those, has a much lower center of gravity, and more precise steering.
@@psycopompo_o1805 handles better than what?
After adding a turbo to my FRS, it's really apparent that while yes, more power is great, there's a delicate balance there.
I've had to upgrade my clutch, suspension, transmission mount, motor mounts, wheels/tires, injectors, brakes, and get a tune that is SPOT on. The balance from factory is art and tough to maintain with over 300whp.
I'm personally happy that these cars come without a lot of power- it's so rewarding to feel it evolve under your ownership. Awesome review, what exhaust is on the car?
💯. People forget that more power equals more load and heat. Evvvvverything needs to be bumped up and reinforced.
@@IzajResGS the car has plenty of power from factory. Use case is what leads it to feel underwhelming- if you're not using it for what it was designed for, of course it'll seem boring. Nobody complains about their Chevy 2500's body roll on track, or the poor towing capacity on their 370z. It's not the manufacturer's fault if you buy this car to drag race
What was the reason for you adding power to your car? Do you track it?
@@alansmilealot because I love building cars :)
Alexander
It's nice to hear from a real owner that actually did modify the power output. So many videos just show a car with boosted power but they rarely show what's really involved. Every time you add power you have to add something else too. It's never really just a case of "Slap on turbo/supercharger - get hp - enjoy". Savageese did a video some years back doing a boosted car. Adding substantial power to a car is not a shake and bake thing normal people can just do.
I bought a 370z over a BRZ because of the lack of power in the BRZ. It definitely seems like this turbo setup would solve the power issue, although personally I think I'd go for a Supercharger to get more linear throttle response (assuming money is no object).
That said, I'm in love with the instant throttle response and linear power delivery of the naturally aspirated VQ37 motor in the 'Z. NA all the way.
I had the same dilemma, either a brz/86 or a 350/370. i ended up going with an 86, because i disliked the feel of the z - the ride just felt... wrong somehow. My friend has a 370z which we take out on the backroads together sometimes, and the 86 definately handles better than the 370 (dont get me wrong i still think the z is a awesome car too). He leaves me on the straights but i leave him in the corners. if it had like even just 30 50 extra HP it would turn a great car into an awesome one.
And i totally agree, i am looking at a centrifugal or twin screw supercharger for my 86. I think they will benifit more from the supercharger than a turbo, even if it means slightly less power
Supercharge the brz and you will sell your 370z
I don’t think I’ll ever have this much respect for a brz again
You say that but the new brz looks sexy as hell LOL
@@ErectileSceptile tbh I prefer the old one
@@vdoxsamp7283 Fair enough. I like the horsepower bump in the new brz, and visually it looks like the front is jaguar and the back end is a mini Acura NSX
JDL makes an amazing kit for these cars. I'm happy I spent the extra money on the JDL kit, it's a lot of fun at 10 lbs of boost
Are you still running the JDL kit to this day?
I like this particular car a lot. Very balanced, not too loud and plenty fast without being bonkers lose your license fast.
I think it should be NA. BUT not so "lazy" as stock one is (i know, its not lazy, but that anticlimatic curve...). High RPM engine around 250hp would be perfect for this car. Imagine that sound of 9k RPM boxer...
It would be nice but very hard to hit emissions targets. That’s why the s2000 isn’t that great with fuel economy compared to the Miata and Gt86
@@kavan1773 The S2000 gets terrible fuel economy because everyone revs them to 9000 whenever they can hahaha.
@@kavan1773 Driving the s2k under the vtec zone you can get up to 40+mpgs but because owners rev it up to 9k rpms its the reason why their mpgs aren't as good.
The fire extinguisher really looks like a nos bottle
6:17 had me pausing the video to look for me phone 😂
I'm gonna be honest here...I looked for my phone while editing it.
I love this platform so much I just can’t imagine having to turbo just to hit 300hp.
ayyy the seppuku saga, my favorite off it is kamehameha
I did not feel like my FR-S was underpowered for the road, was a great slow car fast experience in the twisties. The torque dip though was a downer, my am no speedy driver, but definitely found that torque dip was spoiling the fun.
All I have done so far is to go Unequal Length Headers and a catback exhaust for the rumble. Once you remove the torque dip, this car is super lovely to drive. It’s so fun.
Pick up a oft tablet and tune it to stage 1, you can do it on a stock car and it will help reduce that torque dip . Once you get headers , you can increase the tune to stage 2 or 2+ ( el or uel headers ) and that will further reduce the torque dip while giving you a little more power
J P yup... changes the car so much for just about $1500
The amount of people that buy these and then line up at their local car meet to drag their buddy in his 5.0 mustang is just insane. Thats like buying a Mini cooper and being pissed off that It cant tow your 6500 pound trailer. These cars need twists and turns and shit to really feel what they can do. Driving in a straight line is boring as fuck anyway.
He knew what he was building and how he was going to build it, I like it! Should definitely invest in some slotted and drilled rotors and a bbk and at least a stage 2 clutch with a lightweight flywheel.
By far the best driving commentary iv heard in a youtube video. Man knows what hes talking about and describes his experience well :)
Super cool to see you driving on New England roads. Makes me feel less bad about Maines roads
From what I've heard in videos with the new 2.4L BRZ coming, it sounds really good. Just hope that Subaru hasn't made the engine delicate (official reports is that it is NOT a turbo-removed 2.4 engine from their other vehicles, but a new design) and cause the aftermarket guys to have to update rods, pistons, gaskets, bolts, etc. etc. etc.
I absolutely love the noises this thing makes. They might be slow stock, but I really want to pick one up some day and build it up.
under the hood at 1:14, it looks like that car was MADE to be turbocharged. Such a beautiful clean install. Very nice. That is exactly how those cars should have came out of the factory from day one IMHO.
good vid! I have had this waiting on the watch it later playlist for like almost a year! Sorry. Time just gets away from me these days! Great vid dude!
Is this the Open Dump or Recirculating setup? It sounds like OD but I could be wrong. These cars are nuts boosted.
I believe its recirculated...at least that's what the mod list told me lol
Tedward ok thanks!
That really sounds like an atmospheric dump valve to me.
@@basstard13 probably hearing the intake
@@BL1THE yep, alot of subaru aftermarket intakes make that sound
Everyone's talking about how great the car is, and I'm just sitting here like "I need to know where those roads are in central MA so I can take my BRZ on them" lmao.
Really though, that is a NICELY set up car! Someday I'll get mine turbo'd
i recognized the area because i live literally right where he was recording some of the roads are Bellingham Ma-Hopedale/mendon MA and all the woodsy roads are uxbridge/upton/northbridge MA area
@@massmeetsug343 You my friend are the real MVP, thank you!!
SpartanFore no prob brodie see ya in the area :)
Installing the Edelbrock eForce supercharger kit was the best thing I ever did to my to my 2016 BRZ.
Had DD Performance Research do the tuning and on the dyno I get 287 wheel HP and the car is a perfect daily driver and occasion track car.
Yes, I had to go to 8" rims and do a few other mods but otherwise it's mostly stock an fine.
That looks like a really fun , manageable amount of power... Sounds unreal too. Good job
I accidentaly bump into your video, but I am really pleased that you are one of not many others that dont talk nonsense :) You seem like you know what are you talking about. I owned a GT86 for a year and I can agree with you in every word
That was the best GT86 driving clip
Nice camera view and mic
I really enjoyed
And i really really Love the GT86 :)
Cheaper alternative for more fun in a brz that you plan to daily: Buy new headers with a tune and you get 25-30hp more and the torque dip is completely gone plus your car will last way longer and consume way less fuel
Yup this is what I plan on doing
You know a build is proper when they get Defi gauges color matched to the rest of the instrumentation :D
The only ones I get
"But it ruins the balance....wahhhhh"
A turbo is what the car needed from day one
I’m a simple man, I see Tedward, I click
I give you mad props for not making it sound like a clapped out civic
it’s cool n all but it’s still slow... you coulda bought something much better for the money of the car+build 😐 but to each their own, after owning my 16’ WRX (protuned) for 5 years, I won’t be able to part with AWD performance EVER, for daily use plus having amazing control and playfulness in the snow with “snow tires” 🤣
I’m upgrading to the next level to an RS3 this coming year.
•Inline 5 Cyl PERFECTION
•Quattro (Haldex)
•Audi Quality Interior
•Closed Deck Block
•400hp
•Insane Power increase from Stage 1 tune
•Hold value due to being rare
Dude, i saw that racing line. You rock dude!
I had no clue about racing lines until I started kart racing. Now I see the lines in every video lol!
Nice review! The turbo noises are addictive. Still not sure why Subaru doesn't have an STI BRZ with a turbo from the factory. Im sure it would sell like hotcakes. I bet a lighter flywheel will help with heel toe shifting. Might as well upgrade the clutch too while the owner is in there.
They won't sell a factory turbo because a turbo BRZ would cannibalize sales from the WRX, and potentially from the Toyota Supra, which shares a developer with this car. A sad fact, as all anyone wants is a factory warranty on a turbo in this chassis.
@@redlion145 ^ this right here. RWD sports coupe under 3 thousand pounds with a turbo from the factory.. Its performance would be wayy to close to the WRX, shit the price of a brz Isnt too far under the WRX. Here in canada the WRX starts at 29995 while the brz starts at 27995. It would almost be in direct competition with the WRX if they actually boosted the brz from the factory.
I've seen quite a few of your videos but I think this is the most excited I've heard you lol!
This is one of the cleanest BRZ's I've ever seen
So many cars today speak more to owners bank account than the individual. This is more personal than another car same total sunk cost but stock..so while it kills on resale, the value is in the buiLd vs writing a big cheque and driving off the lot in an m3
You could say the same about an M3 vs a hypercar
AceCustomz not really..my thought was a dollar for dollar approximation...roughly..buy a new M3 or tune the BRZ for maybe same outlay..the M3 vs hypercar doesn’t compare on cost..am thinking would be near impossible to spend hypercar money on an M3..
@@johnaitken7430 It's not that hard when you're going to build it into a proper record beating racecar xD (idk what record you're going to beat with an M3 tho... maybe the world's ugliest racecar if you use the new one...?)
AceCustomz you have that right..BMW lost the plot some time back..while my wife had an m3 a gen ago, and I had a 1m I was dumb to sell, there hasn’t been much of interest lately
@@johnaitken7430 I'm curious how it will ffect sales but i doubt we will ever know
Always nice to see someone not abusing the hell out of other’s cars just for the video!
Haha it’s a delicate balance between expressing its abilities and not being a jerk
The sound of gearbox is amazingg
Sound of gearbox?
@@Addison0526 the shift sound*
The FRS/BRZ/86 is like the US spec S chassis all over again. Nissan kept people wanting a turbo version through its production run, but it never came. They were left to turbo their own or swap in the SR20 that the rest of the world got. The S2000 fits here too. It was awesome car, but it also left people wanting more. Just a little more.
I love the small turbo noise where it just whistles, my 9-5 does it and it's great
this video sent me down a rabbit hole i dont regret
I love it as NA, makes it more like a blank canvas.
That said, hopefully the new 86 comes out still as NA but with better internals and a power bump that makes sense for a 4-cyl
It's seeming like it'll be an FA24, if it keeps most of the same internals it should be amazing for boost
@@krispyywombat7382 here's to hoping it's tuned by Yamaha or something. it could be the next F20C for all we know
impreza0109 I wouldn’t go that far, but the FA24 is making good power in early tuning
@@krispyywombat7382 like i said, just being hopeful LUL
You called it!!! FA24 has no torque dip plus an extra 30lb ft of torque from 3700-7000 rpms
dope video man, nice meeting you
Thanks and you too. Your Sti looked awesome
What head unit is that?
The stock BRZ actually has a pretty good throttle response for rev-matching. I guess the owner may have tuned it with a different map when adding the turbo.
Awesome POV video! I have a Turbo BRZ myself and watching this makes me feel like i'm driving it!
You think the reason Toyota and Subaru never wanted this to be turbo is so they didn’t have competition for the sti market and eventual Supra market? Who would buy them when you could essentially get something of similar speed for much less price? Just a theory
i think the guy who made the gt-86/frz/brz was really heavily focused on its handling and just wanted to leave it with low power
it's designed after the old 86 Corolla. It was never meant to have tons of power. They chose to spend all the money on the chassis. And yes, 300 hp on this car will embarass and STI easily.
ohh god. i was about to sell my FRS and get an STI but this had me contemplate lol. what a nice build my friend. i love it
This is one of the coolest brz I have ever seen, love the style.
I have a 2013 FRS with a GT28RS at 12.5 lbs on the lowest setting. Open wastegate dumping right below the engine. It makes such glorious noises. Clean ass car in this video. The way the 86 Twins should have been.
Most respectable BRZ build
I agree with what you said about the high rpms being sketchy. I also find that very fun to test when it's somebody else's car
Class build well thought thru. I like these tuned cars..takes balls to put oneself out there as risk looking an idiot if it flops ..it’s not about winning or losing, it’s about everyone laying down their best and having fun
Currently in between cars RIP to my Stage 2 MK6 Golf R. I wish the brz came turbocharged
now this is more KANSEI DORIFTO ready. Well done
3:35
The sound this thing makes is just 🤤🤤🤤
“cOnTiNuOuS rEcOrDiNg WiLl NoW sTaRt” 👁👄👁
Love it, makes me miss my FR-S :( Also, again if you want to take my GT350 out just let me know.
ah sorry yes! That got lost in the shuffle. DM me or email me again because I will absolutely forgot where we left off.
Well you moved on to better things! A gt350 is an amazing car. Im too deep in the hole with my car that it would kill me to sell it :(
@@Ryan-ue9ve I originally thought they meant they were going to race lmao.
A boosted top-spec BRZ is literally my dream car right now. But in my case I don't think I could be bothered (or afford) to completely re-engineer the thing, so I'd be looking at one of those nice little centrifugal blower kits just to fill in the torque hole. Anything more than that and it'd be bye bye wallet or bye bye license. 😆
That’s the best performing and best looking and we’ll set up BRZ/FRS/86 I believe I’ve ever seen.👌🏽🔥🔥
i used to want to make a 1000hp brz like those big turbo supras, but now that i think about it, this platform really dont need much power to be fun, its low power gives it its character
damn that turbo sounds fantastic
This is literally how I was going to run my gauges and I thought I was the only one cause I had never seen it but guess I'm not now 🤣 just boosted mine too
I always thought the old gentleman's agreement of 276hp would have been the perfect number for this car.
I’m currently working on a built motor turbo FRS.
As soon as my forged internals long block gets shipped back to me, I’ll be installing it with my turbo kit. The estimated hp numbers, with my build are 450-480hp, which will be right in line with my 450hp goal for the car. At 2800lbs, I think it’ll be a monster.
Here’s hoping 🤞
How long do you reckon the trans will last? I wouldn't be trying any hard launches...
Does the car have an oil cooler? Because it’s going to need it. Upgraded radiator also.
I believe it does but its not big enough. The fluctuation in temps was massive without much load on the engine. The owner said he's installing a larger one. It will be 100% necessary if it goes to the track.
@@TedwardDrives When people begin to realise the scope of tuning a car's engine instead of just buying a faster one only the most determined/stupid/informed/loaded of them go on from that point :)
@@JonasRosenven why do you care? its not even your car
@L W Correct, installing an oil cooler on it today! A bracket for the cooler has been backordered for two months so took quite a bit longer to get it.
@@DevinGT350R If thats water temp on the gauge there in the air vent, that's also pretty concerning to have it that high being not that super hard driving on the road. Shouldn't see much more than 200F imo.
This is how the brz should come stock
Yknow, I wasn't a big fan of all the rally cars, STIs, BRZs because of the immature drivers who drive these cars in my city. But I learned to love it, because it isn't the car, it's the driver. This video made me look into maybe owning a BRZ, and building it.
The brz is an amazing platform. Feels alot like a modern 240sx to me.
Honestly I haven't thought about going forced induction on my BRZ, I've thought about remaining NA and make a extra 80hp reliably. Right now though just enjoying her stock
An extra 80 hp to the wheels N/a, yeah right 🤣
Yea you gotta go forged block for that...lol
I'd be interested to know how you plan to do that without an engine swap. BRZ owner here, and I've heard the most you can get on NA is 270 HP, and that's with an E85 tune. I could be wrong, but I have researched it fairly extensively.
@@redlion145 270hp would smash every NA FA20 record out there lol
Average numbers, on the high side, for headers, drop in filter, exhaust, E85 and a tune is around 210whp. There's a few outliers going up to 220whp. There are people who'll claim more, but that's on very happy dynos and in their imagination
@@matthewvanzyl6158 Perhaps we're talking about two different things. I didn't give figures in terms of WHP, but rather horsepower at the crank. Your numbers may be accurate, I'd have to go and reread the threads on ft86club's website. Regardless, I think we're both in agreement that 280 HP, either at the crank or at the wheels, is outlandish without forced induction.
That turbo spools quick. Sounds good.
My turbo comes in tomorrow super excited to put it on throughout the winter !!
Sweet winter project!
@@TedwardDrives quick question while I have you here, what camera is it that you use for your POV videos ?? Looking for one , and the quality of this is great!
@@WhitneyChase Go Pro Hero 8. Not sure if its in this description but all the newer videos have the equipment list in the description. The 9 has been released but it has more megapixels which means lower dynamic range. I wouldn't trust it to capture the shadows.
Around 7:45 you made comment on the rev hang, and that’s just a common Subaru trait. They hang unless you tune it to not hang.
First thing i did to my turbo brz was a oil cooler , oil catchcan and carbon fiber hood with biggest vents possible to get all the heat out
Everyone neglects the brakes and transmission. Just want more power because that's what gets the boys at car meets. Upgrading clutch and flywheel, driveshaft, and brakes is always neglected and should be first in preparation for power.
It's definitely respectable how you don't want to explode peoples cars, but in the end its the risk they took letting someone else drive it. also. if you think thats fun you should see a focus st/rs with anything other than their stock turbo. whole different car, and i wish i was lying
Watching these makes me want to hop into my boosted 86 and go for a long night drive lol.
Do it
with all the hand movements in the into i thought he was going to land a plane!
Yeaa boosting is the best! I boost my 86 using Borg Warner Turbo kit, so far so good.
Every vehicle has its own best track: probably, Brz wishes turns more than straight. Drive Brz on mountains street, with U-turns and short straights, and discover its precoius engine
I dont know… i think the brz is naturally aspirated for a reason, the compression ratio is 13:1 stock and there’s no way to add forced induction without raising the centre of gravity and losing pace around bends as a result
Such a great car, especially with some more power!
No need for pedal dance (diagnostic mode), for shutting down TC. While stationary, hold the TC button (left one), for about three seconds. Both, VSC and TC lights will turn on. That's how I track my supercharged car.
We did this at the tire rack test track and still interfered even with all the lights on. Once we did pedal dance it was happy on the skid pad. I don’t know them well enough but that was the experience I had 😂
@@TedwardDrives you may get some stability control interference (just brake application) at very high angles, but no throttle cut. At least on for me, I get no interference on road course and sometimes I get pretty sketchy with my driving.
8:22 as an owner of a dsg GTI, even I know how bad this is. Part of the reason I went for a dsg over a manual.
Dont DSG have clutches that also need replacing
They hold power way better than their manual cars. My 6mt s4 can't go past stage 1 without a clutch but dsg owners can go a lot further.
@@Wpjgdmtu oh I see makes sense now
@@anthonybelton-ford3124 yeah the DQ250 trans can hold somewhere around 400lb/ft before you run into problems, even though it's only rated to 295lb/ft. Obviously frequent launches will hurt it though.
I got an '18 GTI and I plan to go stage 1 once the warranty expires.
really well done. all the parts are high end
Very nice looking BRZ. I would accept this car to park next to my 2015 STI.
If Subaru smart, they'd put 2.4T on the new BRZ they are going to reveal next week. It'll probably cost 3k-4k more, but that only take it to about 32k-33k range which is still very affordable.
We'll find out pretty soon!
That map select via the rpm is neat
My fav type of BRZ is the 2013 rocket bunny because it looks the best
I have a built engine and an AVO billet turbo and it made 347 at the wheels on a Mustang dyno on my FRS. The scavenge pump failed (I think it was my fault), so when the new one comes in, I can't wait to drive again.
Low key I just want 306-hp VTEC Turbo K20 2020 Civic Engine in BRZ. . . Imagine 100k miles of reliable 300bhp at high revs. Crazy how Honda makes the engines I want, and Subaru makes RWD Chassis I have.
looks like a good amount of power for that little car
This feels like it would be an excellent drivers car