@@vidyutchavda2084 it depends really, I went for a supercharger as the car still has a nice linear power band, but bigger turbo kits for these the torque kicks in much harder. Try experience both then decide 😃
@@vidyutchavda2084 oh yeah 100%. mines safe mapped to 280 but if you want to risk it you could get 300. Your rods may go though. make sure you replace the sump and oil pickup as a big track problem with these is oil starvation!
@@rustler08 So it should with an engine almost 3x the size. The S2000 in this vid is clearly not well maintained. They usually do 1/4 mile under 15s easily in stock form which is some way off what this example achieved.
@@chrism869 all of the cars mentioned except the rx7 is 4wd and the body is more stable. Now the rx7 and the s2k has a good balance of stability but adding power it will make the car harder to control more oversteery vs the 4wd's of course.
youre looking at the old flaking paint haha, its getting old so with use that is to be expected (very common on older honda motors from my experience). what you need to look at is those strut towers, the plastic hoses/boxes and all of those little in tact stickers you see across the bay. id say that its really good for its age, just needs a head respray and it'd be mint
One of the first production cars to rev to 9000rpm and 120bhp per litre for a NA car is pretty impressive for 1999.......the latest 4 litre Porsche GT3 only has circa 125bhp per litre, the F20 in the Honda S2000 was and is a masterpiece of an engine. Still one, if not the best, car I've owned.
9125rpm fuel cut on the JDM F20C actually, that was the one that made 250hp/125hp/L. It took Ferrari 8 years to beat that with the 458 Italia. I love my S2000 but it's not running that engine anymore.
Would have made more sense. I bought mine for £4K and have a charger kit ready to go on, so it would have squared up price wise with the other two after mods
@@lassydogpie5390 No its not its full bolt on theres no stage 1 or 2 for these its stragith full bolt on with turbo or supercharge kit. its verry price to mod a N/A not worth it.
@@simin382 double clutching in cars with synchronizers, and nitrous systems that made your floor fall off😂😂 man watching those first couple of movies was funny
If boosted will be in a different category of POWER, so the race will have no sense. Even with 0.4bar of boost will pass 320bhp, but is very difficult to manage a very precise LOW boost at that s2000 engine, because wastegate actuator have no time to full open in the up range revs.
Whats crazy is mazda makes a turbo mazda 3 with 250hp and 320 torque stock and that was them just making a mature car with some zip. Imagine they tried for a speed 3 again? It was be insane.
@NvSrAgE679 I have test driven the Mazda 3 turbo and even that was surprisingly quick. If they made a proper Speed 3 successor especially at a competitive price I will happily sell my WRX for that!
Had a S2000 a few years ago, loved it. Would still choose it over the other two. Bare in mind that car is a lot older and still produced 240bhp in the late 90’s
FOR THE HONDA being stock, not bad. Close enough that if modified too would be very competitive. Hands down my first pick for reliable daily driver would be the S2000. Can't beat Honda reliability.
I'm looking at an S2000 over a MK-4 MX5 but I'm conscious of the oversteery-nature. Is it this bad or is it only if you drive like a hooligan? I'm looking at MY08 with the stability assist and final suspension changes.
I love the supercar stuff I love the crazy expensive rare drag races but I miss seeing these normal sports car drag races this one kept me on the edge of my seat
The ND is just better in every way though. It looks nicer, drives nicer, more reliable, still just as analogue besides the screen and offered with a hard top which is perfect for a daily driver compared to a crappy soft top
@@all-caps3927 looks are subjective, and the NC has a REAL fully retractable hardtop unlike the ND’s fastback. Dunno about more reliable… it’s just a lot newer and a lot more expensive!. The NC is by far the best daily driver, spacious cabin and boot. Surprised you say drives nicer, I’ve found it has really really light steering, not very precise
@ all fair points on your behalf. I just think the NC’s hard top (which are much rarer) have issues as they get older and they’re just another thing to worry about. Realistically in the UK you won’t be taking the top off until the summer I general so the fact it isn’t retractable is no issue. In terms of price, yes it’s more expensive, but they’re both relatively cheap compared to sports cars that are newer from other well established brands. You can get a good MX-5 RF for sub 14K easily which isn’t a bad choice at all for a 2nd or 3rd car. In terms of driving, I absolutely love the precise drive of the NC. But tbh, in a low HP car the light steering is much for exciting for me in the ND. It feels more ‘throwable’ if you get what I mean. The way it drifts from corner to corner is serendipitous. I don’t know, I love both cars anyway - but the look of the ND is just much more prestigious. Once I’m looking for a second car for the weekends I’ll definitely be considering an ND along an Audi S3 as my daily.
@ that’s fair enough, if I had the budget I’d probably grab a high spec 2 litre ND. But I think for the prices in the UK a facelift hardtop NC offers loads of fun and value a lot more accessible for most than an ND. I love all 4 gens of MX5 regardless 🙌
I owned an AP1 S2000 (Berlina black) from 2009-2013. I still miss it! Still miss that gearbox and roar of the Vtec. Very difficult to launch (hence the slower 1/4 time). Once mastered it’ll hit low 14s easily
@@Spectator247 aye your bang on mate. Very narrow power bands but very satisfying when you hit the sweet spot! I also liked the way they sounded compared to other Vtecs due to the placement of the engines being different
@@Spectator247 6000 way low rpms for launching an ap1.7500-8000rpms the best range if you got good tires.Full stock s2000's with good driver and sticky tires hit 13.9-14.2 secs.15.7 is a very bad time for an s2000
@miudoru7740 Correct me if I'm wrong here...but this was filmed in the UK..cheapest on ebay is 6k and auto trader is 7k. There are only 3 cars above 25k....
To be fair to the S2000, it's missing 20-40bhp and a LOT of torque, 80-100nm, compared to the MX-5 and GT86 so I think it actually did ok. Fair play to Jack; either he knows how to launch a car or knows how to drive his car hard. Loved the banter between everyone as well.
You didn't get the idea a s2k is starting from 20k those days, on that buget you can get an 86 or nc throw some money in it and will outperform an s2k in every aspect
@miudoru7740 then give the S2K a compressor and it will still blow those other cars away = fair is fair. Although the S2K is an appreciating classic so mods only ruin its value
Not knocking Matts driving (which is generally good IMO) but that S2000 was a good second off what a well kept example should do in the 1/4 mile. The rotten looking valve cover is a good sign of poor maintenance I'm afraid. Would not be surprised if this one was 20hp or more down on what it should be making.
Just to add, it was never going to beat either of those boosted cars but it should have been fractionally closer. 14.5s in the 1/4 mile is more like it for a stock S2000.
@gazman9468 Wrong those magazine times are verry exgerates they add 0.2 ft roll out. But it was bad condition you can see rain abit or wet road. I say in a great conditiom 14.7@95 Wich in fact I saw one this weekend at 4hrs away my local dragstrip. it was 100 bone stock. But the folks told me it was not easy, it always bogs down or spins to much. the gearing is ratio not to great. He only got it one time other times 15.2-15.6 like the video. Its funny cause a fwd civci SI does 15.0@95 FWD stock consently 15.0-15.3 even in bad condition.
@@nicholaschip5820 Did you really learn that from this video or is that just your already existing opinion? Cause there's really nothing in this video that would give that impression
Brought my 2013 BBR turbo NC for 10.5k and I have to say for the money there isn't much out there that beats them, I've had 2 gt86's and although very great cars reliability is questionable when boosted, the NC3 mx5 can easily take 300bhp on standard internals, S2000 is definitely better with forced induction but by that time you're talking almost double the price of the mx5 price when boosted. The NC mx5 is definitely a very underated platform until you boost one
I have an all-original S2K AP1, great car, drives like a go-kart and the engine sounds wonderful. We also have a 718 Spyder 6-spd, and the S2K is still fun to drive against that!
🤔 maybe but I know for a fact mat is a great manual driver so him getting 15.6 on a S2000 is legit 😂 but it was wet and un prep surface so 14.9 is verry possible but verry sad for 240 HP. Because I got a basic golf 180 whp 1.8T FWD auto stock I did 15.5@89.5 and offshelf ecu only 14.6@100 with 220whp 😂.
I had same debate in 2018. Drove supercharged frs, miata, m3 , s2000, had multiple mr2 at that time already. Got a 2015 mustang gt performance pack with recaro seats, 3.73 gears 450hp now. Been reliable with no major engine or trans issues since 2018 at 70k miles now 150k. Have left countless frs gr86 behind on mountains. Countless highway races with everything. Mustang has been great buy. Drove gr86 and underwhelmed…should have been 3.0 flat 6 300hp…
S2000 all day. My friend slapped Injectors, tune, bolt-ons and an HKS turbo kit on his with stock internals. 480hp street tune, 500+ full boost. The others would be grenades on wheels. S2K is God Level. That was 7 years ago, its still running like a champ to this day.
We once owned a Honda S2000 as well as a second generation Miata. Both were great cars, however, I moved the S2000 along as it was way too loud with my daily drive on the highway. Our Miata was sold as it was damaged in a minor accident. The wife didn't want. to drive it after it was repaired. I'd like to have another S2000 now that I am retired. Cheers🍻
As if that s2000’s on its original Bridgestones! Surely you can’t still get those, must be hard as nails by now! Number plate blocking the air intake isn’t doing it any favours either 🤣
Re002 was closest years ago not sure what it is now. They had dedicated tyres and Boxter ones are closest. I've gotten rid of them to run much bigger wheels because it has nearly 3x rwhp and torque.
@ yeah I know they were specific to the s2000, but pretty sure they stopped being available back in like 2010 🥴 the RE002’s have been discontinued a few years now too. Think you can get Yoko v105’s and Michelin PS4’s in the pre facelift 16” sizes 🤔
Next do the value retention test. I have a 2008 S2K and would not consider trading it for either of these 2, obviously. They are quite fun for the $ with the mods but not in the same league as a legend. The old boy did well in stock form but it did seem to be missing a beat or 2 - still wasn't going to beat these 2 though. Thanks for the video, good fun!
The Mazda MX-5 NC is so underrated! It may not have the NA’s classic vibe or the ND’s sharp lines, but in my eyes, it looks downright badass-sporty and refined at the same time. Plus, it nails the balance between comfort and thrill, making it a perfect underdog for those who love a genuine driving experience. 🚗💨 #NCAppreciation
As a prior s2k owner...you didn't rev it hard enough in neither the drag or roll races...that engine needs to be dropped around 6500rpms lol. Loved this one.
@@PerformanceNation33 I found in the wet I could get really good launches as the wheelspin can drop you into the power quicker and not wreck the drive train...remember these do 44mph in 1st gear...its a tall gear !
Its not true these are real world test and number. A s2000 will never do 14s 😂. Look at mazda x5 did 14.6 with 280 HP and toyota GT did 15.0 with 300 HP. Yes it was slighly wet condition I would knock out maybe 0.5 max than 0.3 bc non prep surface so in realty. S2000 in great condition 14.9-15.0
@@totov7673 I have no problem to run 0-100 figures from the specs with my FWD Abarth with manual gearbox and it is about +0.5-0.7s in the wet. I've measured it with the Dragy and I'm nowhere near the professional level. From the other hand Mat drag raced hundreds of cars. I think he knows how to start and how to shift in the wet. This s2000 in very bad condition in my opinion and you can see it under the hood too.
Ive got an s2000. Not lightning fast but its a 20 year old car and will do (on the gps) 136mph on the limiter in 5th and had it up to 146mph whih plenty of revs to go but it was crawling by then. I wouldn't swap my s2000 for a boosted gt86 or mx5 (great cars) The way the s2000 drives is so good
One will likely appreciate while the other will certainly depreciate. I’d personally choose the S2000 for monetary reasons and it also a brilliant car.
@@tommybooth5398 in Australia the going rate for an S2k is £20k - £30K :( maybe the UK market is alot better, but a sub £14k S2k in Australia would be an absolute lemon
These can be tricky cars to launch perfect, I think the MX5 had a bit of an unfair advantage being driven by it's owner. Great cars all of them, wouldn't mind any of them in my garage.
Mat was not driving the S2000 properly, he didn’t keep it in V-TEC. It’s difficult to keep the revs up, it’s something you have to learn to do, only experienced owners can drive V-TEC engines correctly. I had a Honda Civic VTi 1.8 litre, (the same engine as the Integra Type R), absolutely glorious sound taking it up to 9,000 rpm.
Don't be silly. These were straight-line drag races on the track. It does not take any special skill to change up at the red line, and when you do then the gearing dictates the revs as you go into the next gear
To be fair, in stock trim like that, the S2000 can do these races for the next 15 years without any issues. But all 3 are fun cars, and can be built nicely. The aftermarket world can really put factory performance to shame.
I personally would still take the AP1 S2000 over the other 2. I just know not to attempt to race any supercharged Miatas or supercharged GT86s. Honda NA 4 cylinder engines are not known for having torque.
S2000 is the coolest car there by a country mile. And the gearbox is an absolute joy to use. Would be interested to see how a boosted S2000 would fair against the other two.
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Hey, owner of the 86 here. If you own any of these platforms and thought about boosting. 100% do it. Makes a fun car feel so much more alive!
Turbo or super charged?
I have 2020 gt86 ,thinking of boosting it.
@@vidyutchavda2084 it depends really, I went for a supercharger as the car still has a nice linear power band, but bigger turbo kits for these the torque kicks in much harder. Try experience both then decide 😃
I track the car as well so will the car be reliable. Thinking for 300whp. Btw your car is really cool
Where did you get your HKS kit from? Did you import or get from the UK?
@@vidyutchavda2084 oh yeah 100%. mines safe mapped to 280 but if you want to risk it you could get 300. Your rods may go though. make sure you replace the sump and oil pickup as a big track problem with these is oil starvation!
The S2000 was and still one of my favourite cars.
Stock 240🤯
Agreed, hoping to own one at some point
Shit box of all shit boxes
@@compte.RUclips.2023 mine two
@Fionn264 absolutely not true bro
Can guarantee that 5:14 has never been said before this video
Hi Jimmy 👋
My electric scooters got more torque
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Same also on Yamaha TZ125,@@jedimindz1502
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Still impressive from the S2000 seeing as it's NA from 1999. What an engine
Think its lost about half it's power and been clocked the state of the engine bay😧
The car ran a 15.6 second quarter mile. I hope you know a 1999 NA Corvette will run like 2 seconds faster in the quarter mile.
@@rustler08 So it should with an engine almost 3x the size. The S2000 in this vid is clearly not well maintained. They usually do 1/4 mile under 15s easily in stock form which is some way off what this example achieved.
@rustler08 I ran 14.9 in my.ep3 and my s2000 is a good bit faster. The s2000 doesn't get off the line that we'll but once it's going it's alright
@@lukebyrne873the Civic 2008 ran 13.34 on quartermile.
Six months ago I was in the market for a weekend car. GT86 and S2000 were in the running... bought the Honda. 9k redline is just so addictive.
On a windy back road with no traffic they are absolutely sublime. Love those cars. The manual shifter is in a league of its own.
Honds s2000 is an icon , that sits alongside with other legends like the R32 , RX7 , Evo
Ehhhhh its not as sturdy as those cars its definitely legendary dont get me wrong but id take a evo or a gtr everyday.
@@bepisman7273 what do you mean by it's not as sturdy?
@@chrism869 all of the cars mentioned except the rx7 is 4wd and the body is more stable. Now the rx7 and the s2k has a good balance of stability but adding power it will make the car harder to control more oversteery vs the 4wd's of course.
@Johanozoju I mean that's true, but I think it's more fun when it's 2wd, especially if you wanna have fun like drifting and so on.
@chrism869 definitely agree on that one rwd cars are just fun to drive 👌
The engine bay in the S2000 looks so sad
youre looking at the old flaking paint haha, its getting old so with use that is to be expected (very common on older honda motors from my experience). what you need to look at is those strut towers, the plastic hoses/boxes and all of those little in tact stickers you see across the bay. id say that its really good for its age, just needs a head respray and it'd be mint
It doesn't look sad, it looks used, which is a lot better than a garage queen.
@DarkExternalHeart 100% agree...but used and kept somewhat clean is best
@@DarkExternalHeartdude…. Used is different from trashy looking….poorly cared for….
It does😢
One of the first production cars to rev to 9000rpm and 120bhp per litre for a NA car is pretty impressive for 1999.......the latest 4 litre Porsche GT3 only has circa 125bhp per litre, the F20 in the Honda S2000 was and is a masterpiece of an engine. Still one, if not the best, car I've owned.
9125rpm fuel cut on the JDM F20C actually, that was the one that made 250hp/125hp/L. It took Ferrari 8 years to beat that with the 458 Italia. I love my S2000 but it's not running that engine anymore.
Finally an S2000 on the channel! A supercharged S2000 would have annihilated the Gt86 & Mx5😅
@@chucks_garage987 yes agreed, would probably be making like 350hp with a supercharger so yeah these two would be left in the dust
Yep. Bye bye
I dont think
Would have made more sense. I bought mine for £4K and have a charger kit ready to go on, so it would have squared up price wise with the other two after mods
Turbo even more. What an odd comparison to heavily modified cars. Don't they look up the power to weight ratio before doing tests?
That mazda is so powerful, you can see it jumping forward every gearshift
i meant i hope so, cause it got supercharger and 40hp more
It’s only stage 1.. 2 is another 50bhp
@@lassydogpie5390 No its not its full bolt on theres no stage 1 or 2 for these its stragith full bolt on with turbo or supercharge kit. its verry price to mod a N/A not worth it.
Missed opportunity here, CarNow. You should've shown 10 gear changes like The Fast n The Furious movies 🤣
Well in fnf they were double clutching
@@simin382they should also drag race those aforementioned F&F cars with 1983 Ayrton Senna's WSR Formula 3 car.
And the top speed of like 130 mph 😂
@@simin382 double clutching in cars with synchronizers, and nitrous systems that made your floor fall off😂😂 man watching those first couple of movies was funny
@@skankhunt420 I know 🤣
As a '03 S2000 owner for almost 14 years now, glad to see the S still keeping up with those modified cars.
If the S2000 was boosted it would annihilate the other 2 cars😂🔥💯
But it wasn't so it didn't.
If boosted will be in a different category of POWER, so the race will have no sense. Even with 0.4bar of boost will pass 320bhp, but is very difficult to manage a very precise LOW boost at that s2000 engine, because wastegate actuator have no time to full open in the up range revs.
if i didn’t have balls id be a girl…
and a boosted GR86 would annihilate the S2000 too. This is all about what you can get for £15000.
@ELISHANESFUSIONWORX with a supercharger kit alone it would leave these two in the dust
Whats crazy is mazda makes a turbo mazda 3 with 250hp and 320 torque stock and that was them just making a mature car with some zip. Imagine they tried for a speed 3 again? It was be insane.
They really need to make a successor to the Speed 3.
@NvSrAgE679 I have test driven the Mazda 3 turbo and even that was surprisingly quick. If they made a proper Speed 3 successor especially at a competitive price I will happily sell my WRX for that!
Imagine a Mazda Speed MX-5
Owned a fully bolted and tuned 2010 Speed 3....I still miss that pain in the butt of a car sometimes lol (it was moody)
@@ronniemartinez8034 Mazda did make a few in small numbers actually, but not for the ND or NC generations unfortunately
Had a S2000 a few years ago, loved it. Would still choose it over the other two. Bare in mind that car is a lot older and still produced 240bhp in the late 90’s
FOR THE HONDA being stock, not bad. Close enough that if modified too would be very competitive.
Hands down my first pick for reliable daily driver would be the S2000. Can't beat Honda reliability.
You can win all you want but Honda S2k remains an ever appreciated legend
I own an S2000 and it's perfect in every way... such an amazing car
Jealous
Me too. But it's not made for drag racing that's for sure.
@@testing3166 Yeah it belongs to twisty roads
I'm looking at an S2000 over a MK-4 MX5 but I'm conscious of the oversteery-nature. Is it this bad or is it only if you drive like a hooligan? I'm looking at MY08 with the stability assist and final suspension changes.
@j.1985 I own a 2002 model and it is very planted, you must push it to the limit to make it oversteer...
Sold my s2000 in 2007, black with red leather seats. What a mistake selling it was 😢😢
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"Live fast, dye hair!" had me in stitches!
I love the supercar stuff I love the crazy expensive rare drag races but I miss seeing these normal sports car drag races this one kept me on the edge of my seat
If you want a drivers car though the answer is s2000 by a mile, it's one of the best drivers cars ever made it's almost perfect.
Stock S2K is so damn sexy. Those wheels are gorgeous
Now need to see a supercharged s2000
That GT86 looks and sounds sweeeet !
It also equally fast Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Group B Rally Car.
What happen with you matt and the honda😂
As a former owner of a BBR NC MX-5 it warms my heart. And it’s still my favorite car I ever owned, if not for kids I would still have it I think.
Love those
Love the facelift NC MX5 🙌
The NC MX5 reminded me a lot to 2005 MX5 on Gran Turismo 4 demo discs.
The ND is just better in every way though. It looks nicer, drives nicer, more reliable, still just as analogue besides the screen and offered with a hard top which is perfect for a daily driver compared to a crappy soft top
@@all-caps3927 looks are subjective, and
the NC has a REAL fully retractable hardtop unlike the ND’s fastback.
Dunno about more reliable… it’s just a lot newer and a lot more expensive!.
The NC is by far the best daily driver, spacious cabin and boot.
Surprised you say drives nicer, I’ve found it has really really light steering, not very precise
@ all fair points on your behalf. I just think the NC’s hard top (which are much rarer) have issues as they get older and they’re just another thing to worry about. Realistically in the UK you won’t be taking the top off until the summer I general so the fact it isn’t retractable is no issue.
In terms of price, yes it’s more expensive, but they’re both relatively cheap compared to sports cars that are newer from other well established brands. You can get a good MX-5 RF for sub 14K easily which isn’t a bad choice at all for a 2nd or 3rd car.
In terms of driving, I absolutely love the precise drive of the NC. But tbh, in a low HP car the light steering is much for exciting for me in the ND. It feels more ‘throwable’ if you get what I mean. The way it drifts from corner to corner is serendipitous.
I don’t know, I love both cars anyway - but the look of the ND is just much more prestigious. Once I’m looking for a second car for the weekends I’ll definitely be considering an ND along an Audi S3 as my daily.
@ that’s fair enough, if I had the budget I’d probably grab a high spec 2 litre ND.
But I think for the prices in the UK a facelift hardtop NC offers loads of fun and value a lot more accessible for most than an ND.
I love all 4 gens of MX5 regardless 🙌
I owned an AP1 S2000 (Berlina black) from 2009-2013. I still miss it! Still miss that gearbox and roar of the Vtec. Very difficult to launch (hence the slower 1/4 time). Once mastered it’ll hit low 14s easily
Had 2 S2000s and you’re absolutely right about the launches. 6000/7000rpm launch and it’ll do low 14s (i did a 14.3 at Santa Pod).
Ap1 in my possession now. No issues launching it with the R888r tyres 😂.
@@Spectator247 aye your bang on mate. Very narrow power bands but very satisfying when you hit the sweet spot! I also liked the way they sounded compared to other Vtecs due to the placement of the engines being different
@@Spectator247 6000 way low rpms for launching an ap1.7500-8000rpms the best range if you got good tires.Full stock s2000's with good driver and sticky tires hit 13.9-14.2 secs.15.7 is a very bad time for an s2000
I have a 2006, also in Berlina black. I love it!
Regardless of which car is faster, the driver of the S2K wins all day, everyday
We absolutely need a new s2000
This mx-5 looks sick congrats jack
In what world can you buy an S2000 for 13-14k?
There are 33 on autotrader for LESS than £14,000?
In Australia the cheapest s2000 I could find is 30k AUD.
@@austinosborne6276 uk cars are cheaper, however they all rust to shit & our insurance is fucked. It balances out lol
@tommybooth5398 true, ive seen a few around my area for around the same price
Cars in the UK depreciate faster than in mainland Europe.
If that S2000 was supercharged it would be making 400bhp+ on a stock engine and it would pull train lengths on the other 2 cars
Ok? The point is how much can you get for 13k. Supercharging a 13k car puts it above 13k.
@@inherentlyflawed But not all S2ks are 13k. Mine is a 2004 facelift and cost me 7K. Was sub 100k miles also.
But it's not supercharged, also a stock s2k is 25k+ you can get a nc or 86 and destroy the s2k in every category
Here in the UK you can get S2000's from 7K-20k+.
I'm sure in the 14k budget you can find a nicely modified one.
@miudoru7740 Correct me if I'm wrong here...but this was filmed in the UK..cheapest on ebay is 6k and auto trader is 7k. There are only 3 cars above 25k....
To be fair to the S2000, it's missing 20-40bhp and a LOT of torque, 80-100nm, compared to the MX-5 and GT86 so I think it actually did ok.
Fair play to Jack; either he knows how to launch a car or knows how to drive his car hard. Loved the banter between everyone as well.
these cars are pure gems to the car enthusiast world.
So over 20 years later, you need a supercharger on both other cars to defeat the S2000, 'nuff said
You didn't get the idea a s2k is starting from 20k those days, on that buget you can get an 86 or nc throw some money in it and will outperform an s2k in every aspect
@miudoru7740 then give the S2K a compressor and it will still blow those other cars away = fair is fair.
Although the S2K is an appreciating classic so mods only ruin its value
A mx5 nc is like 3 times cheaper than a equal s2000 you clown
@@michaelmassart2349s2k is heavier than mx5
Almost 30 yrs, I remember to this day how crazy it seemed to have 240hp from nat asp 4 cylinder engine back then.
Gt86 owners stand up 🗿
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Blown engines at 150k 😂
@Wafflecombo54 What brokie drives a car with over 150k miles 😂
Not knocking Matts driving (which is generally good IMO) but that S2000 was a good second off what a well kept example should do in the 1/4 mile. The rotten looking valve cover is a good sign of poor maintenance I'm afraid. Would not be surprised if this one was 20hp or more down on what it should be making.
Just to add, it was never going to beat either of those boosted cars but it should have been fractionally closer. 14.5s in the 1/4 mile is more like it for a stock S2000.
@gazman9468 Wrong those magazine times are verry exgerates they add 0.2 ft roll out. But it was bad condition you can see rain abit or wet road. I say in a great conditiom 14.7@95 Wich in fact I saw one this weekend at 4hrs away my local dragstrip. it was 100 bone stock. But the folks told me it was not easy, it always bogs down or spins to much. the gearing is ratio not to great. He only got it one time other times 15.2-15.6 like the video. Its funny cause a fwd civci SI does 15.0@95 FWD stock consently 15.0-15.3 even in bad condition.
S2000 is a classic ... no upgrades just pure Honda soul
Overlooked the RX8 R3 here. Value for money they are fantastic.
So the lessons are: 1) stock, the S2000 is still better than the other two are stock. 2) if you want an inexpensive car to mod, nothing beats a MX5.
The lesson I learnt was, MX-5s are crap. Except I already knew that. So in fact, I learnt nothing.
@@nicholaschip5820No, they aren't.
@@nicholaschip5820 Did you really learn that from this video or is that just your already existing opinion? Cause there's really nothing in this video that would give that impression
@@kissgergo5202 Did you read my comment?
@@ronniemartinez8034Yes, they are.
Matt comes back with an s2k with good condition and supercharged and you will see that you will have to put it with a porsche...
Never put with a porsche mate.😂 u drink a lot
S2K all the way.
For real that Toyota Exhaust is damn good 😮😊
great video! love the classic car reviews mat!
Brought my 2013 BBR turbo NC for 10.5k and I have to say for the money there isn't much out there that beats them, I've had 2 gt86's and although very great cars reliability is questionable when boosted, the NC3 mx5 can easily take 300bhp on standard internals, S2000 is definitely better with forced induction but by that time you're talking almost double the price of the mx5 price when boosted.
The NC mx5 is definitely a very underated platform until you boost one
Awesome test!!! They all really cool but I’d take that S2000. They were just so freaking cool and still are.
I have an all-original S2K AP1, great car, drives like a go-kart and the engine sounds wonderful. We also have a 718 Spyder 6-spd, and the S2K is still fun to drive against that!
The MX5 and the 86 were nice clean cars. But you guys brought out a rough example of an S 2000.
Overall, it was a good race by all three cars.
Been subscribed to your channel for a while, keep it up!
Piss off.
The sound of that GT86 is to die for.❤🤯
The Honda S2000 is so sick to hear actually
Nice that we can see the clocks during the races! 👍👍
I feel like the driver of the 86 is changing gear too early @ 08:57
100%. He also launches it like shit. I have a supercharged 86 and it can launch wayyy better than that.
🤔 maybe but I know for a fact mat is a great manual driver so him getting 15.6 on a S2000 is legit 😂 but it was wet and un prep surface so 14.9 is verry possible but verry sad for 240 HP. Because I got a basic golf 180 whp 1.8T FWD auto stock I did 15.5@89.5 and offshelf ecu only 14.6@100 with 220whp 😂.
I had same debate in 2018. Drove supercharged frs, miata, m3 , s2000, had multiple mr2 at that time already. Got a 2015 mustang gt performance pack with recaro seats, 3.73 gears 450hp now. Been reliable with no major engine or trans issues since 2018 at 70k miles now 150k. Have left countless frs gr86 behind on mountains. Countless highway races with everything. Mustang has been great buy.
Drove gr86 and underwhelmed…should have been 3.0 flat 6 300hp…
Been ready for yall to drop
I have a supercharged S2000. A very different car from the stock one, but I'm happy and surprised to see one here :)
GT86 looks so much better, STYLE.
This was good but feel like they missed a trick not putting them round a track because that’s where they really shine
Next drag race will be 918 Spyder vs revuelto🔥
S2000 all day. My friend slapped Injectors, tune, bolt-ons and an HKS turbo kit on his with stock internals. 480hp street tune, 500+ full boost. The others would be grenades on wheels. S2K is God Level. That was 7 years ago, its still running like a champ to this day.
That white Subaru looks clean though...
It not a sub its a toyota gt86
@reneeharewood5053 same same, but different...😂
We once owned a Honda S2000 as well as a second generation Miata. Both were great cars, however, I moved the S2000 along as it was way too loud with my daily drive on the highway. Our Miata was sold as it was damaged in a minor accident. The wife didn't want. to drive it after it was repaired. I'd like to have another S2000 now that I am retired. Cheers🍻
As if that s2000’s on its original Bridgestones! Surely you can’t still get those, must be hard as nails by now! Number plate blocking the air intake isn’t doing it any favours either 🤣
Re002 was closest years ago not sure what it is now. They had dedicated tyres and Boxter ones are closest.
I've gotten rid of them to run much bigger wheels because it has nearly 3x rwhp and torque.
@ yeah I know they were specific to the s2000, but pretty sure they stopped being available back in like 2010 🥴 the RE002’s have been discontinued a few years now too. Think you can get Yoko v105’s and Michelin PS4’s in the pre facelift 16” sizes 🤔
Next do the value retention test. I have a 2008 S2K and would not consider trading it for either of these 2, obviously. They are quite fun for the $ with the mods but not in the same league as a legend. The old boy did well in stock form but it did seem to be missing a beat or 2 - still wasn't going to beat these 2 though. Thanks for the video, good fun!
Can you get a S2000 for that price nowadays? I think that's optimistic.
There are 33 S2000’s on auto trader right now for sub 14K
I think the price specified is optimistic in my opinion. You can pick up high miler cars for 7-8k
Yes definitely, I have one I want to sell and I'll happily accept that figure.
I love when people put their plate in front of the intake
That gt86 looks beautiful 😍 🔥
Thanks! That's mine ❤
@euan1974 Best one I've ever seen so far 🔥🔥🔥
The Mazda MX-5 NC is so underrated! It may not have the NA’s classic vibe or the ND’s sharp lines, but in my eyes, it looks downright badass-sporty and refined at the same time. Plus, it nails the balance between comfort and thrill, making it a perfect underdog for those who love a genuine driving experience. 🚗💨 #NCAppreciation
S2000s best no question
As a prior s2k owner...you didn't rev it hard enough in neither the drag or roll races...that engine needs to be dropped around 6500rpms lol. Loved this one.
Let's turbocharge Mat's S660.
S660 stock already was turbocharge
already turbo
@@kimnotking9742 still pretty small isn't it? 😭
@@iMagic16 I know now but it's still pretty small isn't it? 😭😭😭
S2000 all day, I've wanted one since 1999 when they were calling it the SSX, NA, 240hp, 9000 rpm redline, one of the best sounding engines IMO
What did you think would happen. 2 boosted cars vs a totally stock N/A car. Dump a supercharger in the s2000 and it would rip
Wouldn't be in the same price range anymore tho.
point is that you would be spending a hell of alot more cash on an boosted s2k than on a boosted MX5 or 86
@@ghuldorgrey Like they ever compare based on price before. They put up $400k cars against $80k cars.
@@ghuldorgrey in UK cheap S2ks are as low as 7k, plenty for a turbo in that budget..
You need more than vtec against boost cars
The fools running a Honda S2000... probably the worst line in the film if you actually know the S2000, a rightful JDM legend!!!
The 1/4 time should be around 14.0s for a stock s2000. This 15.6s result is very slow.
Wet condition affect its initial launch
@@PerformanceNation33 I found in the wet I could get really good launches as the wheelspin can drop you into the power quicker and not wreck the drive train...remember these do 44mph in 1st gear...its a tall gear !
Agreed, I own one and thought this just seems slow for an S2000 so not sure what's going on with that one.
Its not true these are real world test and number. A s2000 will never do 14s 😂. Look at mazda x5 did 14.6 with 280 HP and toyota GT did 15.0 with 300 HP. Yes it was slighly wet condition I would knock out maybe 0.5 max than 0.3 bc non prep surface so in realty. S2000 in great condition 14.9-15.0
@@totov7673 I have no problem to run 0-100 figures from the specs with my FWD Abarth with manual gearbox and it is about +0.5-0.7s in the wet. I've measured it with the Dragy and I'm nowhere near the professional level. From the other hand Mat drag raced hundreds of cars. I think he knows how to start and how to shift in the wet. This s2000 in very bad condition in my opinion and you can see it under the hood too.
Ive got an s2000. Not lightning fast but its a 20 year old car and will do (on the gps) 136mph on the limiter in 5th and had it up to 146mph whih plenty of revs to go but it was crawling by then. I wouldn't swap my s2000 for a boosted gt86 or mx5 (great cars) The way the s2000 drives is so good
I wouldn't go near the/a GT86, the chances of it going BANG CLATTER CLATTER CLATTER is substantially higher than the other two.
One will likely appreciate while the other will certainly depreciate. I’d personally choose the S2000 for monetary reasons and it also a brilliant car.
Oh my i need me a Gt86 just like that🤤
The s2000 was always going to lose. Yet it is still by far the best option out of the three
The Honda S2000 still never lost its touch when doing drag races with a Miata and GT86.
Can't imagine ever getting tired of these comparo's. Cheers fellas!
No way you’re getting that
s2000 with 13-14k
There are 33 S2000’s on autotrader right now for sub 14k
@@ryanchen9010 yes you can
@@tommybooth5398 in Australia the going rate for an S2k is £20k - £30K :( maybe the UK market is alot better, but a sub £14k S2k in Australia would be an absolute lemon
These can be tricky cars to launch perfect, I think the MX5 had a bit of an unfair advantage being driven by it's owner.
Great cars all of them, wouldn't mind any of them in my garage.
But the mx5 is 150 lbs lighter verry important for rwd and engine infront helps alot.
Mewing
You were first, it seems.
Ain’t no way
Mat was not driving the S2000 properly, he didn’t keep it in V-TEC. It’s difficult to keep the revs up, it’s something you have to learn to do, only experienced owners can drive V-TEC engines correctly.
I had a Honda Civic VTi 1.8 litre, (the same engine as the Integra Type R), absolutely glorious sound taking it up to 9,000 rpm.
Don't be silly. These were straight-line drag races on the track. It does not take any special skill to change up at the red line, and when you do then the gearing dictates the revs as you go into the next gear
@ try again old chap. This is real life, not a kiddie computer game…
like this.. if you think mat needs to review the new m5 and m5 touring
5:28 sound is insane
Don't do it matt ! I bet he's got more than 100K .Under the hood of that s2000
To be fair, in stock trim like that, the S2000 can do these races for the next 15 years without any issues.
But all 3 are fun cars, and can be built nicely. The aftermarket world can really put factory performance to shame.
First im first carwow im also the 100th like edit: why am I getting so many likes so early
Nope
@@vibingwithvinyl what nope
@@Kosovo_goverement_official You were not first.
When I was in the video it was uploaded 15 secs ago
@@vibingwithvinyl I was in the comments
I personally would still take the AP1 S2000 over the other 2. I just know not to attempt to race any supercharged Miatas or supercharged GT86s. Honda NA 4 cylinder engines are not known for having torque.
"high performance" Japanese cars 😂 love the cars though 🙌
High powered for japanese😂
Imagine being beaten by an MX-5 in any sort of race. The shame!
Nice numberplate placement on the S2000. Since most people only take them out in winter and you need reduced cooling.
S2000 is the coolest car there by a country mile. And the gearbox is an absolute joy to use. Would be interested to see how a boosted S2000 would fair against the other two.
It's actually a very similar box to the MX5, made by AIsin (toyota). Diff is a Torsen helical, they are not very strong when used this way though.
"That's better!... oh..." was such a funny moment :D