Pan America Harley-Davidson Review - Is it Reliable?
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2023
- Tony gives us a review of his Pan America once again, but this time he has had a few more issues and more aftermarket parts. 16000 miles on the clock now as we take another look!
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I'll stick with my Gs1250. But I do like its looks.
Cant go wrong with a GS1250😊
It looks like a nice bike. I would not recommend it for international travel. I just rode from Alaska to Argentina, and did not see any dealerships outside of Mexico. I was on a GS 1250. 25,000 miles 14 countries no problems and there was several BMW dealerships.
I have a 2021 PAm Special. After the starter clutch gear was replaced under warranty, the bike has been perfect. I have had no reliability issues. I will definitely be buying an extended warranty given all the electronics and how expensive parts and labour has become in case something serious goes wrong - but would apply to any brand.
I'm a 1250 GSA guy, but this is a sharp bike. I've heard most of the problems have been fixed in the 23-24 models.
Yes, at least they are continuing to remedy a lot of the common issues.
I appreciate your honest assessment of the Pan America. I also considered getting one, but the reliability and some design flaws has me looking at the metric market. I am looking more toward a Suzuki 800DE or 1050. They have proven themselves to be reliable and bullet proof as well as having good aftermarket support and you can't beat the bang for the buck. You are absolutely correct when you say that you cannot afford to have an ADV go down in the middle of nowhere.
I traded in my 2022 KTM 890 adventure for a 2020 Suzuki V-strom 1050xt and I will NEVER look back. Constant issues with my 2022 ktm had the dealer buy back the motorcycle and give me the V-strom 1050xt and I have never been back to the dealer for any failures.
I love the pan am. It’s been the most fun bike I have ever owned. That being said, I think my next adventure bike will be Japanese can’t beat the reliability. I don’t plan on getting rid of the panamerica. Makes a great sports touring bike.
Yamaha tenere 700 is a great bike mate check it out.
Been eyeballing the 800DE as well, but man it's so hard for me to give up my KLR.
I actually ended up getting a late 2017 BMW R1200 GSA. The mileage was very low and it truly fit me well. I found the mid weights to be a little too small for my height and weight and would not do as well on longer trips. I also needed a shaft drive. I considered a Super 10 but found it to be top heavy. The BMW fits perfectly. @@stefanpuffer
Glad you’re liking it. I got the factory side panniers if you want to buy them. 400 for the pair. Used but good shape.
Me: Harley is not reliable! 😪😮💨😭
KTM: hold my beer~
There’s all different levels of reliability… Sounds like your bike has had a few glitches, but, as you said, it has not left you stranded, or failed. Take it on that adventure!
Very true, thanks for watching !
I’ve got 25,000 miles on mine I had some update and wiring issues that the MoCo finally got worked out 12,000 miles ago. I got a new fuel pump at 18,000 it didn’t quit just made noise for over 3000 miles before I took it in.
I love the bike and have no trust issues currently 😂.
Thanks for the vid. Cool to see CT plates. I'm in CT and hoping to get one of these this year
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Seems like a decent ride for being something new to HD. Document all the small issues, and get them addressed to HD, they will become more proactive with possible issues to look out for. Since it is a new platform for HD, provide as much information to HD to improve how the vehicle is serviced. Thanks for the input about the bike.
Take care, ride safe.
i'm going for my 5k service on my 22 next weekend, i have had it for a year, been lucky so far and i've tried to have a positive attitude, its in my head, when is the right hand control gonna go out, when is the fuel pump gonna go lol but i freakin' love the bike, i want to get that exact same seat and i have looked at that gut guard and the black dog skid plate....unsure which one to get but after seeing your review i might go the the cameli put the green mosko bags on mine since its the GI model, i think it was the perfect match, i also added the wunderlich windshield brace with gps mount and bought the hot air deflector that HD came out with on the 23's, few minute job to put it on the 22....i got what i think was a deal on a 3yr extended warranty and jumper on it, which does great for piece of mind lol great review man sláinte!
Thanks for watching. Good luck and ride safe. 👍🏼
H. D. went into the ADVENTURE market kicking & screaming 40 years later than everyone else,, with the attitude of: “It doesn’t have to be really good,, it just has to say HARLEY on it” Learn from our past mistakes ? NO ,, Learn from others mistakes ? NO ,,, just say we’re innovative and over price it !! That’ll Work !!!
Im at 3k with my new PA, and so far, so good. Only issue is with the blank screen startup and issues with the HD sport side cases. I haven't done much offroad but did to a 1k road trip on it. Next year i want to go on a few more long road trips (tail of the dragon, sturgis) and i think it will be good as long as I dont go remote backwoods. I want to remain somewhat near an HD dealer with my warrenty. I still need to get some upgrades, like the skid plate and seat.. but so far i'm loving the bike. I considered a street glide, and while that would have probably served me well.. I rarely pick the 'safe' choice. The PA is a conversation starter for sure and im just hoping we get more aftermarket love in the future. Enjoy the bike and ride safe.
Thanks for commenting. I took mine on the dragon when I first got it. It was great on the pan am!
These things are great values on the used market. Extended warranty and history of the bike recommended.
yes, definitely a good idea to go with extended warranty !
Being a relative of the Davidsons,here in Scotland, my heart says buy one,my head says a Suzuki V-Strom 1050DE,both are the same money with a 1000 or so miles,Suzuki 2yrs newer MY...if HD would only do a more basic model, without the RHS switchgear, no phone connectivy ,etc,something a little less sensitive to a voltage drop...design wise,HD every time,i love the look,but Suzuki(and definitely not a Honda,due to their electrics)for long term owership?
Thats a tough call😮
Looks like an Awesome bike! Totally understandable that there are kinks to work out on a brand new platform. Id say for a from scratch entrance into new segment its a 110% win. By the design and engineering, we can clearly see Harley did their homework on what an ADV requires, and pretty sick they retained their style and class with it even
Yes, I totally agree as much as the problems scare me a little bit. Nothing else on the market compares in my opinion. Thanks for watching!!
Great review. Your comment of being cautious of taking it on a long trip made my decision to look elsewhere. As mudh as I want to love the PAN AMERICA , for the money it's got to be a Triumph Tiger 900 or 1200.
Yeah I agree I want a tiger 1200. Thanks for watching.
I'M HAVE A 2021 PAN AMERICA AND I HAVE ALSO EXPERIENCED THE GROWING PAINS, BUT WE ROLL WITH IT .I LIVE IN RHODE ISLAND AND LAST MAY I ROAD TO ALASKA . 14.000 MILES . THE MOST FUN I HAVE HAD ON ANY BIKE, JUST DO AND EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT. THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO HAS YOUR BACK .
Dam that sounds like a great trip on a great bike!!!
Where did you get your highway pegs?
I’m seriously considering getting a PanAm, I currently have a T7, thank you for the honest review! My fear is the reliability, and fear of breaking my bank. Would you buy this bike again?
I would buy it again if Harley fixes the reliability problems. There is something special about it.
I've had 3, my first one was the first run. Only issue was the starter clutch. Great bikes. As far as reliability, there is a couple I follow that circumvented South America and are finishing Alaska.
Thanks for watching, Alaska would be a hell of a ride. It's definitely on our bucket list.
I'm kinda Harley biased, but, I'd stick to the Pan on valve-service alone. That whole strip the top of the bike and adjust the valves every 10 to 15,000 miles would get old pretty quick, for me. And, show me any other tech that in it's first 3 years that's had less bugs and fixes as it matured.
As far as the motor and reliability...as much as Harley would like for you to believe this is a completely new engine engineered by Harley themselves, it's really just a reworked V-Rod motor (Porsche DNA), and to me that's a great thing...I put over 80,000 100% trouble-free miles on my VROD Muscle, and I abused the hell out of that bike...I wish I had the money back from all of the 240-section tires I burned off the back of that thing.
How true the claim is, I have no idea, but I'm sure I read somewhere that the Pan is the top selling adventure bike in America...can't be all that bad. Totaled my off-road vehicle and nearly killed myself about a month ago, in the mountains, and I've been chomping at the bit to get it replaced, with the exact same machine. My wife told me I'm old and need to grow-up, and if I buy another side x side and kill myself, she won't visit my grave. I like visits, and so I think I may switch genres to the Pan...she digs bikes, even if I don't see her logic...I've been on Harleys for over 40 years, and in that time I've had at least a dozen near-misses, WITH her on the back, from tards in traffic...Anyway, it's possible I really DO need to calm down, and so maybe an adventure bike would force me to do that, while still being able to leave the asphalt.
Just got my 2022 back from Manchester HD after being in for repair since sept 2022 only got it back as company gone bump
What was it in repair for?
Doing a iron butt or two on that is impressive.i cant even do that on my road glide lol. I love the looks of the pa and will end up with one get on any forums guys and u will see problems
You would be surprised how much more comfortable the PA is over the Road Glide. It's a night and day difference.
@@victoryengineer thats very surprising as well as good news. my hat is off to any 1000 mile rider in a day
Thanks. I have a victory vision and I had a 2020 road glide. The panamerica has been the easiest to crush long miles on the upright position more comfortable less fatigue. I feel like I always slouch a bagger and it would hurt my back.
As long as they are proactive with the problems and end up with a better motorcycle and keep parts on the shelves and the mechanics stay up-to-date I will continue to own one.
That's a good way to look at it. Ride on.
2022 PAS owner.
Put 22,000 miles on it so far.
Fuel pump noisy only issue.
Was replaced recently under warranty.
I absolutely love this bike.
I use it for commuting, touring and riding our twisty mountain roads.
Plan on possibly trading this one for another PA in 2027 when my extended warranty expires.
Nice I plan on keeping mine also. Going to buy the extended warranty in the next few months. It really is my favorite bike. It checks all the boxes, speed power, comfort handling on road off-road, etc..
I had 3,600 troublesome miles with my 2021 PAS. HD needs more development.
Its a great bike, but yes, hopefully they continue to trouble shoot and revise in upcoming model years. Thanks for watching.
@@3_AMIt was awesome when it worked properly. Probably one of the best bikes I’ve ever owned.
HD the KTM of America. I loved the “(list of issues)other than that…”
Which highway pegs are those and do they do them in black?
Yes, they make them in black. Website is adventurebikepegs.com. They are perfect. Great quality made in the USA.
Bike looks awesome hell ya my bro !
Thanks !
It’s sad to hear that you have an adventure bike but you dont have the confidence in your machine to do a long distance trip. Thanks for the honest assessment.
Yeah but still a fun bike. Thanks for watching!
Been trying without much success to find a max rider weight capacity. Anything mentioned in an owner's manual?
Max GVW is 1003 and the bike weighs 560 wet so you get the difference for rider, passenger and luggage.
@@3_AM ahhhhhh helpful! Thanks stranger!
what tires are you running?
Dunlop Trailmax Missions
VANILLA BEAN TOMORROW AT 12: 30 FOR ALL YOU PAN AMERICA RIDERS . THE HEAT IS ON ,IT'S GOING TO BE A NICE DAY . THATS TUESDAY APRIL 9TH . TONY HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO MAKE THE RIDE .
I had work or I would have been there!!! Next time hopefully. Thanks for the invite. 👍🏼
Went in with a problem with the wireing harness fault that a lot of owners had
No problems with the harness yet. 🤞 I think my stator is starting to go but that’s what warranty is for.
I am, no way, an expert on Harley like you guys, but after having severe engine issue on my Street 750, I have severe trust issue with the engineering of the engine... I love Sportster S, but I should control myself from even considering buying Harley again...
I'm not of the of the Pan, but I'm not going to hate on it either. You bought what you thought you were going to enjoy. Every bike as it's Achilles heal and after a while you'll make mods that will make it more reliable. My only concern with modern bikes like this is all of the electronics which make the bike hard to work on if you break down and there's some sort of computer failure however, that can happen with any bike that's got EFI and today most do. If you're going to go on some far out adventure into the middle of no where then you shouldn't go alone anyway. I know that a lot of guys do, but it's always nice to have someone with you so that you can carry more tools than just a screwdriver and if you need to get towed out then someone is with you to do that. Enjoy the bike, customize it to your liking and find a good group of people to ride with. I'd love to take my KLR up to the Yukon. If you're cool with cruising at 70 then I'd be more than happy to go with you. I got tools :)
Thanks for watching I still love my pan am just wanted a more affordable bike. I’m keeping my pan america.
2021 fuel pump at 9K. stator at 16K. entire header system at 16K for broken heat shield. rear wheel sensor routed incorrectly tire wore through the wire. Never stranded.
Damn I hope it’s been better for you since then. I’m worried that my next failure will be the stater lol I’m at 17k.
I know exactly what you mean. My ‘21 special has been the best and the worst of all my bikes. I love it when it plays nice, but I too have had reliability issues that have lowered my confidence levels in the middle of nowhere. Lots of software updates, and a side stand bolt came unscrewed. The Stator quit at 7k as well. I ride alone in the forests of North Idaho, when I get off to pee, I leave the bike running because I am worried that it won’t restart. This is my 6 th Harley and first Adv bike, I should have bought a T7.
I just subscribed and look forward to watching more of your content 😎 ride safe
Thanks for subscribing. I think my next adventure bike will be Japanese. But I am going to keep the Harley for a more on road sports touring. There is just something about the panamerica. I may never sell it
People really love this bike. It would be smart of HD to focus on the issues of reliability and iron them out. They’d sell a lot more of them.
I agree, It's an awesome bike if they can fix some problems.
It was a little to tall for me so I got a V85TT. I still wanna ride one.
Harley has a lot of Demo rides at various events and at dealer demos. That's a nice chance to ride one without sales pressure.
The V85TT has a lower seat height than the PA? I love the V85 but I thought the auto lowering feature on the PA was one of the selling points for shorter riders like me. We are seriously thinking about trading our Road Glide in for the PA but aren’t sure how comfortable it would be for a passenger
@@clayspence4160 33.4 on the Pan Am in the lowered/lowest position. 32.7 on the V85TT and you can remove the 12mm plugs under the seat to lower it a little more, they also offer a low seat option you can buy from MG.. That being said I did sit on a used PA the actually sat lower than the V85 according to my butt. This was after purchase, just window shopping. I don't know what was done to it aftermarket wise but I could reach comfortably. If the dealer would have had one set up similar when I was buying I might have gone that way. I've only had my daughter on the back of the MG once and she said the pegs were buzzy for her.
I have a '21 Pan America. It's a great bike, but still has issues that Harley needs to work out. I have 25,000 miles on mine. I rode it solo to Dead Horse, Alaska from Southern California (9000 miles). I rode it to Sturgis this year (3500 miles), both trips with no problems. I rode it down Baja, Mexico and my stator failed and my battery died. I had to have it towed to the border and then shipped to a dealer. I plan to switch to a BMW GS Adventure for 2024. Would I buy a Pan America again. Absolutely, once Harley resolves the minor issues that are plaguing the bike.
Retro-fit the '24 electrics, generator problem sorted,330a battery
I want one but you have to be able to trust it like you say you can't get stuck in the middle of nowhere!! Will probably get the BMW GS . I mean Harley should have the issues sorted out by now I think they are losing allot of business due to the issues!!
I really like the GS. The only thing I don’t like is the boxer engine. Also, I agree with you I’m sure the first GS wasn’t the most reliable thing either lol.
Take a look at the GS forums, many of the same issues. I’ve been close to both of these brands over the years. One thing about his Pan America, some glitches, but it has not failed.
Even the Honda Africa twin had fuel pump issues… Even failure recently.
Let me tell you the most common story you will hear about a BMW. It’s all about the final drive failing. It’s a relatively short story because you won’t have to wait that long for it to happen and it’s going to happen when you are 300 miles away from a BMW dealership one week into your four week vacation.
You’ll think this isn’t going to happen to me I’ll be one of the lucky ones. Don’t lie to yourself it’s going to happen to you. BMW has finally come out and just offered to replace the final dries every 35,000 miles. Fact check me on the number of miles. I could be wrong on that.. but it just goes to show. They’ve admitted that there’s a problem and they have no intention of fixing it. They’ll just keep replacing the drives.
Do not reward them for their shitty behavior or it could be you who has to find someone to tow his bike 300 miles and then gets the bad news. It’ll be two weeks before they can replace the final drive.
Those are not design youth problems ; those are manufacturing and QC issues ... the very same M8 Softails had and still have.
On top of that, Harley is still trying to stall the situations before pushing out updates and/or new designs.
We all know that this windshield is a miss. How long do you think it will take for the Moco to modify it ?
I believe they updated the windshield support brackets on the 23 and up model years
I’ve always said my Shovel head will run like shit for ever ! But it will always get me home . So nothing has changed for HD ! 😜
Has anyone had a problem were you can’t shift into neutral at a stop? It will shift fine otherwise. I just bought my 2022 PA Special used at Harley a few days ago.
Yes mine does that once it’s warmed up. I find that of you rev it a little it will go right into neutral. Been doing that since about 5k. I have 17k now. Thanks for commenting ride safe!!
normal. hit neutral as you roll up
My Stator quit at 6500 miles, for a premium product it doesn’t cut it
Yeah it’s starting to get annoying with all the little issues and part failures but I have back up Bike so I’m gonna stick with it. Keep the extended warranty ha ha thanks for watching.
Upgraded for '24
thank you for helping me make out my mind... i'm not gonna go for it 😢
Dunlop Trailmax Mission, not Trailmission Max.
WOuld you buy it again?
Only if Harley fixes the issues with the known problems. I’ve ridden a bunch of other adventure, bikes, and unfortunately, the panamerica is the only one that crosses all the boxes for me. Although my second choice would be a tiger 1200 triumphs. Thanks for watching and commenting. Happy new year.
Good trade in for a R1250 GSA!
Let me guess, your favorite word is SUPER!!!
Whoa pretty telling you wouldn't take it deep into the bush 😮
Additional: I bought a 2 year extended warranty when I bought the bike new. I complained to Milwaukee by letter and phone and they extended my warranty by 2 additional years, no charge. I have coverage until May ‘27 so that adds a little peace of mind, but like you said, if it dies in the middle of nowhere, what good is it. HOG memberships roadside service doesn’t work off road either. Back to the Japanese manufacturers.
Yeah customer service has been great so far. I’m going to be extending the warranty as long as I can.
Its too bad you don't feel confident enough with the PA to do what you really want to do with it
Yeah, that’s really my biggest complaint but I do love the bike. I think Harley did a great job for their first adventure bike.
No… owned two, a 21 & a 23… never again
lol...took you two times to figure it out? Get a KLR .
@@stefanpuffer nope but the dealer only accepted to handover a new..
There is a simple solution to ur reliability issue, buy a Yamaha Super Tenere! Also it’s shaft drive and 10k cheaper than PA.
I’ve ridden those twice I know they’re super reliable, but it just feels very dated to me. It needs to be upgraded and that may be a possibility in the future. Thanks for watching!
I would agree that HD did an excellent job on their first effort into ADV. However, if you don't trust to take on trips, it's nothing but a paper weight. I dumped HD 30+ years ago when I realized who they truly were. Multiple bailouts and woke ideology will keep me from ever buying another. We shouldn't support companies who hate us.
What do you mean woke ideology??
@@obriantomlinson2776 HD is more concerned with their ESG score than their customers. For there 120th anniversary they hired a band that openly hates America. The promote anti-American causes and are making more and more of their products in China, a country that wants to destroy the USA.
What’s woke ideology? How does HD hate us?
@@jhonnydumeny9816 1st-They charge premium for sub premium products. 2nd-They are laying off USA workers and using China more. 3rd-Hired and support America hating GreenTurds for their anniversary party. 4th-have gone into financial ruin multiple time and taken tax payers money to stay alive. 5th-Their merch is all Chinese made. 6th Don't give a shit if you have a problem. Shall I go on?
Yup, done with HD too. At least the Japanese don't sell out their stocks to foreign entities and investor groups. HD isn't American anymore.
Obviously, the Japanese bikes aren't American either, but......the difference is.....the Japanese don't sway from their beliefs and business model.
I respect that more than I respect a company who sold out, has all of their stuff produced overseas, and who's quality has plummeted.
Still have a 2000 Heritage Springer, but it never ever gets ridden. I won't buy another HD ever. But I got a new Vstrom, and looking to get a dual sport here shortly too.
Might wait a couple of years and get a new 450-500 Triumph dual sport
Agree that in the design aspect, they completely nailed it! It ends there for me. Knowing 2 people that own them, they are complete garbage. 1st one spent 6 months at the dealership. When he got it back, he had it for 2 weeks... then more problems. Harley ended up replacing the bike after having the bike at the shop 4 more times. He immediately traded it in for a tenure. He hasn't looked back... lemme know how that extended warranty works in the middle of nowhere 😂😂😂
A Top-case off-road-bike rider wants to tell me something serious about reliability of a bike? LOL, just ridiculous. No Harley is not working on fixing the bike. The problems were obvious from the start and years later, not fixed! My HD dealer warned me from that bike, clearly and bluntly and I testrode it, it’s a piece of sheit. Yes the most basic things it does, when it rides it rides and you seat ok and the suspension is ok’is, all for a guided tiny-weeny-test-ride, so it means nothing that it worked, it’s obviously full of issues, still today, the recent model. So why buy it, why being blind and buy sheit even by HD terms? I’d rather use a road-king off-road, than this trash. I bet MV Agusta with the Enduro Veloce can make it worse, but while better looking.
Looks too heavy
It is a heavy bike. It’s great for hard pack Gravel roads gets tricky in mud and single track. I’m thinking about getting a klR650 next.
@@3_AM Can't go wrong with the KLR. The Gen 3's have a better frame, better suspension and are fuel injected. I'm sticking with my 2017. It's got a carb on it and I like the simplicity. No fuel pump, no nothing.
@@stefanpuffer I just picked up a Gen 3 klr a few weeks ago just posted the new video yesterday check it out. Thanks for commenting!