I've learned more about the Dwemer by watching Fudgemuppet than the actual game itself. It's good there is someone out there who is willing to go into the depths of the lore itself and post it in a form of a summary. :)
It's all there, you just have to dig for it yourself if you want to see it. Just like modern day historians, we aren't given the script but rather we create it.
The dwemer went to the cloud district to bully nazeem. The gods recognized this act of humility and selflessness, they granted the dwemer their own plane of aetherius.
@Ian James I agree, everyone should feel comfortable, soul trapping their nearest and dearest from time to time. Maybe 'bullying' is too strong a word to describe it (says the necromancer/summoner).
Goes to show that the gods favored Talos to the point they gave the greatest achievement of the Dwemer as a tool for Tiber Septim. Real ascenders only.
@@rexmagi4606 might also help that the gods probably felt like the dwemer had spit in their faces, so to have the greatest achivement the dwemer had ever built used as little more then a tool for a mortal would probably please the gods.
@@swordedguywithasword16 How so? I'm seriously asking because I'm not a lore junky or anything, so I don't know much about the topic. Also, it was just tongue in cheek :D
@@waaagh3203 Talos used the Numidium to conquer Tamriel. Also he met with Vivec, who knew how to use the tools to ascend, and personally I think shared some sort of knowledge to him, as we know Talos did achieve CHIM. That part's just my theory though take it with a grain of salt.
@David Dupont The great wheel is the game disk, console commands are the power of CHIM, and achieving CHIM is realising the main character is your proxy in the game, and the Godhead is the player (or possibly the developers?). Kagrenac was a pioneer in the modding community. We get the creation kit, he had to hack it from the inside like that guy who programmed Pokémon Red to sing by playing the game wrong.
The Dwemer got a collective look at Todd’s presentation of FO76 and its “sixteen times the details” and chose to zero sum because they couldn’t handle that THICC detail. It’s in the lore.
Lol jokes aside, I still can't seem to understand why people are unable to understand what Todd meant by that statement. He was referring to the world, the geography. Not the game itself. Compare Appalachia to any of BGS' previous game worlds and it definitely is a LOT more detailed in terms of geography and nature.
@@jakobfel2 i agree, but giving detail to a, for lack of better analogy, piece of crap, still makes it looks like crap. im not saying 76 is crap, i really want to play it, it looks really cool and fun... But then again..... I enjoy cyberpunk on stadia...
@@SenketsuFi If you want to give it another go, I definitely recommend it. I've enjoyed it a LOT since beta but I have to admit that it's way better now than it was then. Loads of fun to be had.
My theory and own personal head-canon is that the Dwemer truly succeeded in creating their own all-powerful god. When the Numindium came to life Kagrenak under pressure from the ongoing Battle of Red Mountain foolishly (and perhaps not specifically enough) demanded from his creation that his people be given the gift of ultimate power of the gods (immortality and the like) so that they might triumph against the forces of the Chimer. The Brass Tower, interpreting this is in a kind of magic genie type of way instead created a new realm of oblivion and instantly transported the Deepfolk to their to the new fate. The other Daedric Princes upon discovering the Dwemer ascension to godhood became greatly enraged that the mere mortals would dare to elevate themselves to the level of the gods and so joined forces to invade the newly created realm, destroying the Dwemer race once and for all and pilfering all their knowledge and powerful artifacts at the same time. This is why some of the Daedric Artifacts are in fact ancient Dwemer artifacts (Volendrung, Spellbreaker). It is also why you can summon dwarven spheres and spiders from the plane of oblivion in Skyrim. All exists now as trophies of war to now serve the interests of the Daedric Princes---an eternal reminder of their superiority over mortal men and mer. I think this theory is fun because the theory itself can be interpreted many ways. Perhaps the Dwemer were not exterminated but merely subdued, instead bargaining with the Princes to allow them to remain in their own realm in exchange for the above mentioned artifacts/knowledge and a continued supply of Dwemer Animunculi. In a twisted irony the Dwemer, the race that stood so defiantly against the superiority of the Gods over mortals now exists purely in subservience to the very beings they once dared to claim as their equals.
The theory mentioned in morrowind about zero sum makes more sense. In Elder Scrolls lore there’s a thing called Chim were a person realizes that the world is a dream from the godhead and nothing actually exists and that they and every entity in the world aren’t actually alive thus the individual is able to observe the world from “the tower” thus giving the ability to change the world around them. (Chim is an in universe explanation for modding and was a huge role in the story of Morrowind). But if the person doesn’t maintain their identity after climbing the tower they will undergo zero sum and be erased from the world. (This happened to Shor/Lorkhan to create Nirn though it was purposely done) The Dwemer being a race of scientific thinkers probably were unable to comprehend their non-existence thus eliminating them from existence. Though it could be possible that a catastrophic event occurs in future games and the Dwemer somehow return thousands of years after their disappearance, but that’s highly unlikely.
@@joshuapittman4663 ive seen the theory that they were simply warped out of time in a very similar way to alduin and will one day all reappear all at once like alduin did at the start of skyrim
@@boney2982 nah. They zero summed. The heart of Lorkhan is a remnant of Lorkhan who himself zero summed from reality. The Dwemer simply stopped existing
i mean we pretty much know what happened. in skyrim a mage hit a soul gem with keening then disappeared. his soul being bound to you forever. this tell you that keening has the ability to seperate one from existence and add its existence to another. therefore when striking lorkans heart, the power was so immense that it seperated all of their race from existence and kagrenac made sure where their existence was directed to. the skin of the bronze god. its not really a mystery, all evidence points to what happened. its just the game doesnt directly tell you.
Lorewise, the Mantella and Totem were only capable of making the Numidium barely function, never able to bring it to full capacity. So yes, the Heart is the only way to actually make Numidium properly work.
Yep. It's also the reason ALMSIVI killed Indoril Nerevar, prompting Azura to turn the Chimer into the Dunmer, their skin darkened by the ashes of their new homeland, just as their souls were darkened by their betrayal.
@@thalmoragent9344 Its very possible. Bethesda has a habit of releasing counter theories on themselves. The "Expert on Dwemer" in skyrim contradicts alot of things that are explained in morrowind, where you meet an actual honest to god Dwemer
Your videos have given me a far deeper appreciation and interest for Dwemer lore more so than the game itself and I keep your content close to me while playing! You're the best Skyrim RUclipsr in my opinion :)
Maybe he was going for something similar to whatever the Ideal Masters did. He carved out a new realm of Oblivion where the Dwemer could live eternally and undisturbed by other races. The Numidium was his equivalent to a massive soul gem that functioned as some sort of gateway to his plane of Oblivion. What would it be called, the Dwemer Cairn?
Maybe we are the dwemer, we changed through time and through Dimension hopping. We lost our old knowledge and perhaps transcended everything in the Elder Scrolls universe as we are now watching it from a plain above as simply fiction. From day to day we create new universes with our simple thoughts. We lost our old knowledge but at the same time we achieved greater knowledge, transcended our old universe and surpassed our old ancestors in many things. Perhaps one day we'll regain our knowledge through science or arcane rituals. Maybe we will never learn the old ways again. But do we really need them anymore?
@@nagorogan6806 Yo Nagorogan... Are you serious? The Chimer are what the Dunmer were called before the Tribunal (ALMSIVI) screwed over Indoril Nerevar. So, “Chimer-Sutra” isn’t a misspelling, it’s a clever play on both the words “Chimer” and “Kama”. Kama-Sutra is very similar in sound to Chimer-sutra. That is, if you accept that ‘Ch” in “Chimer” makes a Kid sound, and not a digraph sound “Ch”.
It makes sense, Lorkan didn't want them to become gods. As I think Lorkan made mortals so that more life could exist by turning the Gods' power into life. if they became gods, they wouldn't create life anymore. Creating life through robots and uh, means I can't mention, is what I mean by they wouldn't create life anymore. As they wouldn't need robots, so they wouldn't build them. As for the other method, they can't and even than, why would they, their entire race is already immortal.
@@beanface7408 What would stop the Dwemer from making stuff and affection the mortal realm like the Aedra and Daedra do now though? Couldn't they keep building?
@@beanface7408 Lorkhan actually wanted people to become more than gods... All evidence points to CHIM and then something beyond CHIM, being Lorkhans entire reason for making mundus and allowing mortals to exist.
In all of their greediness and curiosity, the Dwemer sought to control the heart of Lokhran, and rewarded for their ignorance, the God of the Word flinged the entire race into the future where It believed it no longer existed (hence the Hammerfell setting in TES:6).
One thing that's always bothered me about this topic in particular - no one ever seems interested in discussing the phrase "golden soul". Not white. Not black. Golden.
Yeah, it's odd to describe their souls as golden when they should have black souls, just like every other sentient race on Nirn. But if a soul can be lessened into a white, as happened to the Snow Elves (possibly thanks to the Dwemer), perhaps it's possible to add to a soul, too. Maybe the parts taken from the Snow Elf souls were added to the Dwemer's souls, thus making them more powerful, making them go from black to golden. Only problem is that I've never heard any other reference to a golden soul. I looked up Golden Saints, Deadra that serve Sheogorath and possibly Meridia, because of their name, but they have white souls. Oddly, Dremora (serve Mehruns Dagon) have black souls, which implies they are connected to/on the same level as the mortal races. It makes me wonder what kind of souls the Deadric Lords have, or mortals like Vivec that have ascended. Perhaps they too would have golden souls?
I'm glad that you brought up that the Dwemer were divided on the issue of Numidium, although one small correction - whenever Nerevar brought the issue of the Heart experiments to Dumac, *Dumac didn't deny the allegations,* **Kagrenac came between them and cried about how Nerevar should keep his nose out of Dwemer business.** That element is consistent, through the Ashlander account of Red Mountain, Saint Vivec's account of Red Mountain, even the *36 Lessons,* which are notorious for how historically inaccurate they are (possibly because they were designed to alter the timeline at Red Moment, and therefore exist in an alternate dimension). Kagrenac purposefully created a divide between two best friends, Nerevar and Dumac, so that he could keep his secret from Dumac. I'm also glad that you brought up the 1999 forum post; it's pretty esoteric, and people who advocate this theory usually bring up some unlicensed text from 2010(?) that implies that all Dwemer chose to become Numidium at the same time, and also advocates the NOPEmidium theory, which I've never been a fan of because there was no NOPE-ing during the Warp in the West to my knowledge. I like the Marukhati version better because it lays all the blame at Kagrenac's feet, and doesn't imply that every single damn Dwemer on Tamriel consented to soul fusion.
Based on Arniel’s experiment it is much more likely they were transported somewhere. A higher plane of existence. Also, no one ever points it out but Arniel doesn’t cost anything to summon. Meaning wtv happened to him, he’s somewhere overflowing with magic.
@@Aethuviel Afaik he had been in one of the planes of Oblivion during the time his race disappeared, and only returned at some point before the events of Morrowind. I'm not sure if Corprus even appeared in the timeline prior to the events of Morrowind.
The quest "Arniel's endeavor" was completely crazy to me. The man was a dewmer specialist at the College who actually managed to recreate the event at a much smaller scale. The result was him vanishing and allowing the dragonborn to summon his "shade" theough a spell. My interpretation is that his soul went exactly where the dwarves's souls are... wherever that may be. My theory (I don't know if it makes sense) is that it is not the "where" that matters, but the "when". What if the race travelled through time? Maybe it would explain why their tech was so advanced even in the First Era, or why their cities and constructs seem to be unnafected by the passage of time. Like you said, this topic is mindblowing. And I guess we'll only have an answer with Eldes Scrolls 6's release.
They probably didnt make an answer and are never going to reavel it bc there is none but if they do reveal it and it doesnt quite fit in the lore now you know that it is bc they didnt plan for that to be the answer
Unfortunately sometimes the answer is "we will come up with something when we need it". The fans often know the lore better and create better theories.
Can’t believe you guys are almost at 1 million subs, feels like it wasn’t that long ago I first started watching you guys but it’s been 4 years! Keep up the good work you’re a gift to the community
It's not funny, it's rather poignant. The Dwemer lobbed a giant F-bomb at the universe by making a divine being out of what was basically household items. Thus, they created something sacred through the deaths of the profane.
I'm actually of a differing opinion on this. Once I got whiff that this was something Bethesda was never going to solve, I just put it out of my mind. To me, it's status as something we're never going to fully know the truth about means that it is 'solved' (since no further headway into deeper truth is possible) and I categorize it accordingly. I'm not saying that unsolvable mysteries aren't a useful trope, because we can't possibly know everything; I just find speculating about such forever unknowns to be dreadfully dull, like muddling about in the dark. I'm one of those people who get satisfaction from 'accomplishment', even if it is just an illusion (like in video games). I just need to feel like I'm getting somewhere, or I disengage with the medium and rapidly lose interest.
@@TheSuperRatt That's probably part of the attraction of these videos. It's fun to hear someone's theory and wonder if their revelations about the topic are what actually happened based on their reasoning.
I like the idea of unsolved mysteries but the Dwemer share a similar issue as the victim of that same trope in another setting, the lost primarchs in 40k. In both these cases, not knowing is less of a “ooo fun mystery” and more “ooo big ass chunk of a pivotal piece of lore is just missing”, at least to me. A good unsolved mystery is one that can stay unsolved or be solved at any moment and it won’t change the trajectory or history of a setting. Not knowing the fate of the Dwemer and lost primarchs respectively creates a huge dissonance in the fandom bc conflicting theories can alter the theology and world building in completely unreconcilable ways. Which then creates even more problems when areas surrounding those mysteries are unveiled and it turns out everyone was wrong and now there are even more nonsense theories. Or, even worse, the world builders dig a hole they can’t get out of and have to cheese the writing to avoid a plot hole. The lost primarchs are great example of this. In order to avoid mentioning them at ALL, the lore surrounding a war that nearly wiped out mankind is just nonexistent bc we have 1 tidbit of lore that suggests the lost fought it in said lore and the writers can’t be fucked to just lift the veil already. The entire course of the crusade was altered by that war and we don’t even know what the fucking aliens that did it looked like. It’s shit like that, that turns an unsolved mystery into a neglected aspect of the lore This whole comment is me just being salty I’ll probably never find out what happened to the Glorius steamy sound elves that scienced so hard they lagged out of the server
"There is a fourth kind of philosophy that uses nothing but disbelief." -36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 6 (which corresponds to the Walking Ways in the Sermon of the Numbers) Of course the Dwemer are the skin of the Brass God. Was there any other force in all of the Aurbis better at screaming "NO" at all of the fundamental laws? They were the race most well suited to Walking this Way.
I fell in love with the Dwemer back in Morrowwind days. I try to find everything about them that I can. I'm currently working on a character for ESO that researching the dwemer is his life's work. I'm planning on having him continue theoughout Morrowwind, Oblivion and Skyrim. He's going to be a Dwemerologist. Studying both the logic and arcane of this race. ❤
Imagine a new elder scroll game, tes7 or something where a new super advanced force invades Nirn, something like the reapers and at the end you discover they are the dwemer coming back from another plain of oblivion trying to destroy the aedra and daedra and conquer nirn
i thought of this too, they could come back indifferent to the rest of mundus but extremely powerful, demented like the falmer, or simply from the future with a need to change the past. they'd be an excellent villainous faction
Depends on their current status, the only thing known about them is them disappearing, are they dead? Or alive? Are they teleported to another plain of aetherius or went to a plain of oblivion , or they went the thanos way just vaporized, but if they ever return, fighting an entire race could be a cool way for a final elder scroll game, not aedra or daedra, or thalmor , the true enemy is the dwemer themselves!!
@@ibrahimdafalla6695 Why a whole race? And why a final game? The ending of Skyrim had the dragons come back even if Alduin was destroyed. If the Dwemer or a more specific villain (maybe Kagrenac) are the villain, then maybe with time you could discover that your enemy is like the Thalmor are to the High Elves? And then your character meets other Dwemer with other motivations. And by the end that faction is defeated but the Dwemer continue on.
@@antiochus87 not necessarily in the near future but it's just a possibility, anything can happen in the elder scrolls world, but a full evil dwemer army sounds cool 😏
@@kisa4748They don't have to be villains either. They could be more like the federation in Star Trek, sort of lightly influencing what goes on in Nirn, but trying to follow a policy of non-interference. Maybe they want to prevent some world-ending catastrophe, but refuse to intervene directly, and the player character is drafted to act on their behalf. I would prefer that since nothing about their history is at all evil.
This guy has the best lore videos I’ve seen. I’ve barely heard or read about this stuff in game I’ve read about some of it in game books but not as much as his videos have.
What if when all the Dwemer dissapeared there souls went into their robot constructs. They have their immortality, they live forever, but they cant communicate or anything and are trapped in their buildings?
You know I've always wondered if the dwarves had an admiration and respect for the nords since shouting, a form of tonal magic, is intrinsically interwoven into their very being. Like would their priests be the equivalent of Nordic tongues?
@@alvar4547 all that advancement just to become little more than particularly intriguing mystery. It’s actually kinda sad that everything the Dwemer built fell into ruin because no one else understands how to work it well enough to maintain even a single stronghold(doesn’t help that every single one I’ve been in has multiple places where the whole damn cavern collapsed and blocked off walkways and shit) I wonder how much more the Dwemer could have achieved if they had said “fuck it, we conquering now” and just took over the world instead of trying to build a hammer to play the heart of a dead god like it’s a damn bongo
When I saw this topic hit 4 hours ago, I was like “FINALLY” but I was too busy to watch it then. I’m leaving a like and watching. Wish it were a longer video,, but damn, great video, Drew!
You know, I wonder whether Jyggalag ever took an interest on the Dwemer. Despite daedric in nature, both him and the Dwemer could possibly have quite an intersection of interests. I'm yet to see this topic being discussed on the lore.
wasn't it The Calling that allowed the rest of the Dwemer to understand the grand realization along with Kagrenac when he hit the heart? Which would explain the widespread disappearance.... maybe Always thought the Calling was interesting, it seems like the dwarves had mental internet with each other.
While I do find it an interesting idea, I still feel the simplest option is the dwemer went through time, not making the skin of a new God, after all the deeper lore is a paradox and what better way to show it than the deeper becoming a paradox in time
Merely reused assets. Bethesda is famous for it. It also could be called an Easter egg I suppose but I think they were just too lazy to create a new statue.
I have suggested this idea about 2 other times but basically the idea was that as another part of your Alternate History series is the Atmorans and the Snow Elves joining forces and it would be cool to see how that affects history and TobeWilsonNetwork suggested that the Dwemer might enslave some other race instead. Awesome video by the way
I think their history and the mystery of their disappearance is what makes them so interesting but it would be cool to see them return as the main antagonists or something like that
I like the idea that they achieved a hollow kind of CHIM, discovering that their world is a dream/game and that they're NPCs rather than player-characters. Upon realizing they're not real, they ceased to be.
My guess: activating the numedeon created multiple realities (different timelines), all crushing togeter in a dragon breach... All but one, a timeline where dwemer exist but the divine beings do not. The dwemer are trapped in their own reality of pure science. Their paradise.
@@cthonicaidoneus lol, nah, I was thinking something along the lines of a story plot point. The dwemer return to tamriel as an invasion force to be reckoned with.
My pet theory remains that the Dwemer traveled through time and into the future, hoping the world on the whole had progressed. I expect to meet them in a future TES game where their arrival is a main plot point. Alternatively, I like the idea that they traveled to the past and founded their own civilization, creating a nice circle. :-)
Perhaps my favorite thing about this channel is that every video seem to have these long soliloquys, these deep and artful expositions tha tell us everything and draw us deeper into the wonder of the lore. Then they all close with FudgeMuppet.
That is interesting but I'm questioning why Yagrum is still around. I mean sure he was in an outter realm at the time but I find it very hard to believe he was the ONLY dwarf in the outer realms. Surely others must've been as well and not just him. Also it seems everytime the Brass god is activated it makes a dragon break, like the warpin the west and when Tiber Septium activated it.
My theory is that they REALLY DID become a God of technology/tonal architechture, trick is, that %99 of the worshippers of such a religion just became a god. It's like trading all your fuel for a car with an empty tank.
Makes sense considering that how many worshippers you have in that universe determines your power. The numidium doesn't really have anyone to worship it so it doesn't have power over the world. So it was a misunderstanding of the power of godhood that was the fall of the dwemer.
@@OfficialFedHater the gods don't care if you believe or not. They exist outside of time. To them this nirn, Tamriel existing is the same as when it isn't existing.
@@Sinnixk it's true, the concept that the Aedra gain power from worship isn't spelled out in Elder Scrolls, but, IMHO, that's the maim reason a God would want worship in any mythos. All we really know of the Aedra and their powers is that they fully invested themselves into nirn, became one with it, and lost most of their powers. I still think the Aedra encourage worship as a fuel source, but you could argue that they give blessings out with what meager powers they have so those blessed will act as their hand and influence nirn in their own ways.
Another piece of evidence we can use to support this claim is the fate of Arniel Gane. Now technically, because this is a side quest, it's not part of the greater canon of the Elder Scrolls universe, but it does give us a great deal of insight. When Arniel struck a soul gem with Keening, he also disappeared. The most notable thing about this event is that the player can summon Arniel's shade for *Zero Magicka* . The lack of magika required implies that Arniel's shade is _not_ being summoned from a plane of Oblivion like an Atronach. All evidence leads to the conclusion that when Arniel struck the soul gem with Keening, the dagger bound him to the nearest powerful object: the Dragonborn, who may or may not be (but I strongly believe is) an avatar of Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan. The following question concerns the Numidium: how exactly does it work? We can infer from evidence that it's designed to be a new Tower through which the Dwemer can transcend the earth bones a.k.a. physics of Mundus, but the Heart of Lorkhan itself is already a Tower. Is the Numidium a focusing element to alter the nature of the Heart? Or maybe it's a cage like you said, meant to protect the Heart after Kagrenac's tools were used. The final and most important question here is: were the Dwemer bound to the Numidium or the Heart of Lorkhan itself? If they were in fact bound to the Heart, the most powerful artifact of the god of mortality, they may very well have understood and transcended mortality, achieving Chim and leaving Mundus behind.
Much has been said of the disappearance of the dwarves, but Lore Keepers forget that many dwemer did not disappear. To those who played Morrowind, you can find many "Dwemer Spectres" throughout the Dwarven ruins that dotted landscape. They could also be fought and Soul trapped. This reminds me of the College of Winterhold quest where the professor or teacher becomes a Spectre at the end of the quest.
I wonder if initially Aetherium, which is supposed to be indestructible and have immense magical properties was supposed to be the material that protected the Numidium, but they couldn't make enough, or not enough in the time they had, so this was the alternative
Elder Scrolls is an elder scroll itself that masterfully weaves human nature into a different world to predict inevitable future events. In this case, it tells how humans will destroy themselves trying to manipulate parts of the universe we don't understand with our technology that we hold as gods.
Were you talking about that kind of technology that led to creation of Fallout 76 and 9759408 editions of Skyrim? If yes, then indeed, our power outgrew our maturity
@@albertobarbosa4938 I'm talking about quantum computing and how in the future we will use it to try and bend reality but will probably destroy ourselves; like the Dwemer.
One thing that this brings up is the Godhead, and I keep wondering something: is the Godhead literally just a sleeping person and the Aurbis a literal dream, or is the Godhead more of a metaphor for something else? I once heard another idea that if one achieves CHIM and then Amaranth that they leave their home universe, fall asleep, dream up a new universe and then turn into that universe (effectively dying to become a new reality).
The Godhead is the game code, and everyone who contributes to it. It's the book, the shared dream, the work of fiction. To alter it is console commands. CHIM. To rewite it is mods and story. To wake up, is to disengage. No great reward. Just normality. Dagoth Ur's subconcous partially directed the script of The Elder Scrolls III Morrowind because Bethesda wrote it that way. Vivec does fun things for Kirkbride, and Kirkbride empowers Vivec, and both are happy. The Dwemer *cannot* interact with metanarrative. They're not the writer, the player, nor Dagoth Ur or Vivec (singled out by Bethesda). Any attempt to do so casts them as supervillains with giant doom ploys. And so their plot is ignobly resolved as an Evangelion reference, as regular narrative blowback.
Basically what Joshua said. The Godhead is the game code when they reach enlightenment they learn of the fact they are characters in a game, they are not real and never can be, if they accept this fact they disappear, if they reject it and decide they are in fact real and will continue to be they essentially cross over. I guess in a way there is no positive ending to enlightenment because if you accept what you are you are erased from the game files and if you don't you also are erased but you become something different. There is alot of lore behind it and Joshua sums it up damn near perfectly.
The quest "Arniel's Endeavor" has some interesting information on this. Arniel basically attempted to recreate Kagrenac's work, & you literally watch him disappear when he strikes the warped soulgem, although he used Keening to strike it instead of Sunder & did not use Wraithguarde. So it can be argued that there are some differences in approach. However, Arniel DID, in fact, disappear much like the Dwemer did. & even though he disappeared, you were able to summon him afterwards.
That quest actually intrigued me because I wondered what happened to him. I thought Arniel’s experiment might only very vaguely have anything in common with the results of those of Kagranac given Arniel’s complete lack of competence and understanding of what he was doing, how crude his methods were and the danger he was putting himself and potentially everyone else in. He doesn’t even tell you what the relic you go to collect for him is or that touching it will kill you (you take it off the body of a mage who I presume died after killing the courier and checking what he had on him) and he’s astonished that you have touched it and aren’t dead! I know it’s supposed to reward you with something because it’s a game and you wouldn’t want to do Arniel’s quest for nothing but lore-wise I’m surprised that anything happened at all. I think Arniel’s _shade_ rather than his spirit or ghost became part of you (and thus able to summon it) because I think he just unmade himself. Not dead, even. Less than that. Just erased from existence. I have thought to myself that if you were able to actually talk to his colleagues and enquire about him in a real-life way, they might not even know who you were talking about… But then again that would create a paradox something like a dragon break but on a small scale.
I always thought it was very clear that the dwemer achieved chim simultaneously via their natural telepathy coupled with kagrenac's efforts; but also that the illogical component to chim caused them to simply wink out of the dream like so many others before them.
All the peeps that only ever think that the Dwemer either became one with Numidium or else zero summed always seem to conveniently forget the fact that the entire event of their disappearance took place within the dragon break triggered by Numidium’s first activation by Kagrenac striking Lorkhan’s Heart, known as the Red Moment. In a dragon break, all impossibilities become possibilities, and all possibilities become reality. Kind of like how elder scrolls let you look into other possible and impossible realities, dragon breaks let you actually live them all at once. The Dwemer didn’t JUST get absorbed into Numidium or zero sum. They also achieved CHIM, got wholesale displaced to some outer realm, deliberately fucked off to a reality/dream/simulation of their own making, were kidnapped by Azura, were displaced in time to a future where their technology and magic are almost obsolete, got turned to ash at the Battle of Red Mountain, and much more besides these options, all simultaneously. They did get absorbed, they did get erased, and they are also still out there somewhere/somewhen. Meaning that, while they are “gone,” they also aren’t gone, and thus it’s just as likely for some poor member of a normie race to just be walking down the street one day and bump into a Dwemer as it is for them to never meet a Dwemer at all. Falion very likely did actually meet one as he claims. Shit, technically speaking, you could conceivably even play as a Dwemer if the games ever had them as an option and it would still be lore friendly.
Its really not that clear actually. If the elder scroll as you claim was the key factor in the disappearance of the Dwemer then why is it still locked up in the Dwemer machine in Blackreach. You would think it would instead be lying on the ground s where the last Dwemer to do whatever funky business to it was standing when he vanished.
@@screamingeagles2670 Because the scroll manipulates TIME. Remember what that machine does. It lets you get information from a scroll without the whole "going blind" side effect. The Dwemer got the information they needed, then realized they needed to leave the scroll in the machine, specifically so that the Dragonborn could anchor the OTHER end of the time corridor for them.
Dwarven armour just inspired an idea - what if Bethesda brought back a sort of unarmoured skill, but with different armours such as fur to glass, for example there’s standard cotton robes but there are spider silk robes that grant slight armour bonus without affecting spell effectiveness and then perhaps some daedric leather robes - nightingale armour comes to mind and top tier could be some ethereal aeleid fabric that offers decent armour similar to light armour but less and also enhances spell effectiveness or reduces spell cost - thoughts?
Basically what kotor did then. They have “armors” that still provide bonuses but don’t inhibit force abilities. I’m not saying to do it *exactly* like that. But I would really like to actually have a use for not-technically-armors.
Remember when the moons disappeared, I would be very unwilling to state categorically that in a world with dragon -breaks that they are lost and gone forever.
If this theory is true, and the Numidium really is this brass god of logic, reason and order, then could the Numidium (and thus the Dwemer) be mantling Jyggalag? After all, up until the end of the Third Era he was a mostly missing deity of the same sphere, and the Numidium could possibly be providing some reconciliation to that missing role. If this is the case, then the separation of Jyggalag from Sheogorath in the Shivering Isles DLC could possibly be really consequential to this.
The soundtrack for Skyrim makes me feel some type of way. It feels extremely nostalgic, more than any other game I've played and idk why. I just know that this music pulls up some emotion...
The Numidium is a microcosm of the whole of Nirn. The Dwemer were like the elnafey. The worldbones. Kagrenac was like Lorkhan here. The Elder Scrolls lore is based on some very true gnostic ideas and this is right in line with it. The idea of micro and macrocosms. Fractals.
For me the solution is in what really is the Heart of Lorkhan,who that convinced(?), tricked(?) ,forced(?) the "gods" to use their souls to create Mundus. Then, when these gods decided to punish Lorkhan depriving him of his "divine spark" ,the Heart, they found it to be impossible to destroy, because "the Heart was the Heart of the World,and they were in the World" . So possibly Lorkhan bounded the souls of the gods to his essence. When Dagoth Ur used the Heart , he wanted to ,quoting the wiki, "making the mortals gods and so controlling them" . This is a real turn: 1) the Heart could make someone a god (we knew it) ; 2)the Heart could controll the gods or being a god is prerogative of being under the Heart's control. Now,I dont know what the Dwemer did or what the Heart really is,but maybe it is a sort of souls gem powering Mundus with the extraordinary essences of those (made ?) ancient gods,and thus explaining why the Numidium, powered by those souls,can controll all the aspects of reality, cause all the aspetcs are the gods,all the gods are Mundus,and all Mundus is the Heart. May be that the Dwmer souls are in the Heat, but may be not them controlling it and the Numidium. This is what I found out. P.s. creating the Numidium is probably littering recreating Lorkan.
I'd also like to add that in Skyrim, Arniel Gane's soul is somehow bound to the Dragonborn after he attempts to recreate the ritual that resulted in the disappearance of the Dwemer. Granted, he didn't have the right tools (and there's even speculation that the Keening found in Skyrim is not the real one,) and he did it in a much smaller scale, so that would explain why this resulted in the soul of a single person becoming more or less a thrall to the closest powerful being around him, as opposed to truly replicating whatever happened to the Dwemer. I think this reinforces the "the Dwemer's collective souls were bound to the Numidium" theory.
I just thought up a new theory: We believe there might have been a minor dragon break in the battle of red mountain, right? Well, what if they actually sent the dwemer race back in time to the Merethic era to become themselves again. Nobody realizes this is what happened because the Merethic era had no real history, it had linear time but nothing was really understood about it. Heck they may have been thrown into the late dawn era, and that's why they couldn't find the heart to begin again till the ones who remembered were gone, Lorkhan had yet to die.
I agree with you the writer of oblivion an morrowind said they were sent in the future where there invententions were obsolete he did not work on skyrim keep in mind so respect if your came up with that on your own I walkways got that impression too like a messed up Mandela effect
I was just going off of the fact that things can be temporally displaced in the Elder Scrolls and the fact that the dwemer have no stated origin. It makes even more sense when you remember the heart of Lorkhan is a sentient object likely with some control over the power it wields.
@@brandonwilliams4163 yeah like they reappear some time in the 9th era when mortals have colonized the moons. Course that kind of expanse has repercussions too. How will colonization of the moons affect the Khajiit, for example?
There are lexicon cubes filled with knowledge, even machines that can transfer the knowledge of an elder scroll onto a lexicon cube. So, the player character could read a book, find an empty cube, travel to different Dwemer cities, and transfer knowledge onto their cube. Then take the filled cube to a special room that reveals a map of all of all of the Dwemer cities and allows you access as you find and repair devices located in each city. The more you find, them more you discover. Just like finding all of the dragon priest masks and taking them to Labyrinthian and placing them into the dais only for the room to change and reveal another dragon priest mask. This could also be a mechanism for changing the player character into someone who is trusted by the automatons that guard the cities, allowing the player character to collect dwarven oil and dwarven metal pieces in order to repair various cities, allowing for entire regions to have better water supply, steam resources and even reveal structures long since buried by the sands of the desert. What factions would benefit, which would suffer from your actions? Would you become a hero, a villain, the savior of a farming region devastated by famine, or become cursed or blessed by an Aedra or Daedra and be transformed into a Dwemer, forever to inhabit and perform maintenance upon the existing cities and defend the newly revealed troves of knowledge...because there will be certain interested parties who seek to possess that which you have found. The Thalmor know of some of what you have found, and have captured your archeological predecessor, gleaning knowledge about inventions the Dwemer created to protect the Eight Pillars of Creation. Activating these could stop the ultimate goal of the Thalmor, prevent the Thalmor from invading a region, or assist them in bringing about a pillar's destruction. Unforeseen consequences caused by you, and maybe you will need to make a bargain with the Daedric Prince of Knowledge and Fate for assistance, however all knowledge has it's price...
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Maybe the real Numidium was the friends we made along the way.
This cracked me up.😂😂😂😂
golden comment
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If we accept this theory, you're technically on point
Your so wrong. Take a look outside the box...or inside the lockbox.
I've learned more about the Dwemer by watching Fudgemuppet than the actual game itself. It's good there is someone out there who is willing to go into the depths of the lore itself and post it in a form of a summary. :)
Check out Zharic Zhakaron, and Shoddycast too! You'll love their lore series.
Don’t forget Camel and TheEpicNate.
It's all there, you just have to dig for it yourself if you want to see it. Just like modern day historians, we aren't given the script but rather we create it.
Watching their vids is like taking an online course at Hogwarts.
Perhaps you'd like to actually play the game to begin with.
The dwemer went to the cloud district to bully nazeem. The gods recognized this act of humility and selflessness, they granted the dwemer their own plane of aetherius.
If bullying Nazeem is all it takes, oblivion would be full of pocket realms by now. I myself would have at least 20.
Does soul trap count as bullying?
Just asking for a friend…
@Ian James I agree, everyone should feel comfortable, soul trapping their nearest and dearest from time to time. Maybe 'bullying' is too strong a word to describe it (says the necromancer/summoner).
Kagrenac: “I’m gonna do what’s called a Pro Dwemer Move.”
*uses tools on the heart of Lorkhan*
Oops x.X!!!
Kagrenac with hammer in one hand, Heart of Lorkan in the other: "So anyway, I started tempering..."
It's called "Meddling no Jutsu!!"
Kagrenac: I know, lemme hit this heart with a hammer.
I'm alahu alahu boom boom
Alkaida promises you
Dwemer: "We don't want to worship gods, we want to become gods."
Talos: "Amateurs."
Goes to show that the gods favored Talos to the point they gave the greatest achievement of the Dwemer as a tool for Tiber Septim. Real ascenders only.
@@rexmagi4606 might also help that the gods probably felt like the dwemer had spit in their faces, so to have the greatest achivement the dwemer had ever built used as little more then a tool for a mortal would probably please the gods.
Talos would've been able to ascend if it wasnt for the dwemer but ok
@@swordedguywithasword16 How so? I'm seriously asking because I'm not a lore junky or anything, so I don't know much about the topic. Also, it was just tongue in cheek :D
@@waaagh3203 Talos used the Numidium to conquer Tamriel. Also he met with Vivec, who knew how to use the tools to ascend, and personally I think shared some sort of knowledge to him, as we know Talos did achieve CHIM. That part's just my theory though take it with a grain of salt.
Kagrenac just opened the console and typed "COC Aetherius01"
@David Dupont always has been
@David Dupont The great wheel is the game disk, console commands are the power of CHIM, and achieving CHIM is realising the main character is your proxy in the game, and the Godhead is the player (or possibly the developers?).
Kagrenac was a pioneer in the modding community. We get the creation kit, he had to hack it from the inside like that guy who programmed Pokémon Red to sing by playing the game wrong.
@@blakethompson-dodd9874 well out of all that sheogorath can still kill us even if our godmode is on.
@@emperorpenguin6420 because he is the god of madness a being of infinite contradictions that is always consistent.
@@Ryan6.022 so the incarnation of the bugs in all of bethesda games... That explains a lot actually
Kagrenac cared about his race and their golden souls, so he turned all of them into the paint job for a robot? Gee thanks, pal. :)
Kagrenac cared about his race and theirgolden souls, so he turned all of them into a pickles, funniest shit i've ever seen
@@metr-zapasu Pickle Dwemer!! Yeah!
@@metr-zapasu He turned them into pickles, and I shit you not Parthurnaax, it's the funniest shit I've ever seen.
@@davidspinks2598 *Partysnax
Yeah, seems like a lousy trade-off, even if the end result was divinity
"We should never neglect to remember the raw courage of their miners."
Yes, the Falmer were very brave
Why even bother with the shitty Falmer mining when you can make automata to do the mining for you.
@@randomguy4167
Cause it's funny to watch
Yes, stunning and brave.
@@ELDENRANGOON *brave and formerly stunning
Yeah we get it they were shitty 😂
The Dwemer got a collective look at Todd’s presentation of FO76 and its “sixteen times the details” and chose to zero sum because they couldn’t handle that THICC detail. It’s in the lore.
Lol jokes aside, I still can't seem to understand why people are unable to understand what Todd meant by that statement. He was referring to the world, the geography. Not the game itself. Compare Appalachia to any of BGS' previous game worlds and it definitely is a LOT more detailed in terms of geography and nature.
@dohvakiin i also read it in the lore.
@@jakobfel2 i agree, but giving detail to a, for lack of better analogy, piece of crap, still makes it looks like crap. im not saying 76 is crap, i really want to play it, it looks really cool and fun... But then again..... I enjoy cyberpunk on stadia...
@@SenketsuFi If you want to give it another go, I definitely recommend it. I've enjoyed it a LOT since beta but I have to admit that it's way better now than it was then. Loads of fun to be had.
C0DA made this canon
My theory and own personal head-canon is that the Dwemer truly succeeded in creating their own all-powerful god. When the Numindium came to life Kagrenak under pressure from the ongoing Battle of Red Mountain foolishly (and perhaps not specifically enough) demanded from his creation that his people be given the gift of ultimate power of the gods (immortality and the like) so that they might triumph against the forces of the Chimer. The Brass Tower, interpreting this is in a kind of magic genie type of way instead created a new realm of oblivion and instantly transported the Deepfolk to their to the new fate. The other Daedric Princes upon discovering the Dwemer ascension to godhood became greatly enraged that the mere mortals would dare to elevate themselves to the level of the gods and so joined forces to invade the newly created realm, destroying the Dwemer race once and for all and pilfering all their knowledge and powerful artifacts at the same time. This is why some of the Daedric Artifacts are in fact ancient Dwemer artifacts (Volendrung, Spellbreaker). It is also why you can summon dwarven spheres and spiders from the plane of oblivion in Skyrim. All exists now as trophies of war to now serve the interests of the Daedric Princes---an eternal reminder of their superiority over mortal men and mer.
I think this theory is fun because the theory itself can be interpreted many ways. Perhaps the Dwemer were not exterminated but merely subdued, instead bargaining with the Princes to allow them to remain in their own realm in exchange for the above mentioned artifacts/knowledge and a continued supply of Dwemer Animunculi. In a twisted irony the Dwemer, the race that stood so defiantly against the superiority of the Gods over mortals now exists purely in subservience to the very beings they once dared to claim as their equals.
If this theory is true then it would be an ironic fate considering all that they had done to the snow elves
The theory mentioned in morrowind about zero sum makes more sense.
In Elder Scrolls lore there’s a thing called Chim were a person realizes that the world is a dream from the godhead and nothing actually exists and that they and every entity in the world aren’t actually alive thus the individual is able to observe the world from “the tower” thus giving the ability to change the world around them. (Chim is an in universe explanation for modding and was a huge role in the story of Morrowind).
But if the person doesn’t maintain their identity after climbing the tower they will undergo zero sum and be erased from the world. (This happened to Shor/Lorkhan to create Nirn though it was purposely done) The Dwemer being a race of scientific thinkers probably were unable to comprehend their non-existence thus eliminating them from existence. Though it could be possible that a catastrophic event occurs in future games and the Dwemer somehow return thousands of years after their disappearance, but that’s highly unlikely.
@@joshuapittman4663 ive seen the theory that they were simply warped out of time in a very similar way to alduin and will one day all reappear all at once like alduin did at the start of skyrim
@@boney2982 nah. They zero summed. The heart of Lorkhan is a remnant of Lorkhan who himself zero summed from reality. The Dwemer simply stopped existing
@@joshuapittman4663 why would his heart still exist if he doesn’t tho
It’s a funny turn of events that the Numidium is a brass god and that talos took possession of it. In Greek mythology talos was a brass giant.
That's less a "funny turn of events" and more a deliberate reference.
@@mallios13 -🤓🤓🤓
@@notslavaboo The fuck? You use twitter too much dawg
@@notslavaboo 🤡
@@gabrielboley9585 You are so cringe.
I feel like the more interesting theory's we come up with the more underwhelming the canon answer will be
I doubt they’ll ever explicitly say what happened since it’s such a well known mystery for the franchise
i mean we pretty much know what happened. in skyrim a mage hit a soul gem with keening then disappeared. his soul being bound to you forever. this tell you that keening has the ability to seperate one from existence and add its existence to another. therefore when striking lorkans heart, the power was so immense that it seperated all of their race from existence and kagrenac made sure where their existence was directed to. the skin of the bronze god. its not really a mystery, all evidence points to what happened. its just the game doesnt directly tell you.
I really hate skyrim
@@thepants1450 well thats stupid
@@NoNo-lt9bi it's not good my man
Love your content! To me the mystery of the Dwemer is what I find most interesting in the elder scrolls.
Same here homie
Dwarf
Totally agree by far my favourite race !! I pray to god we get to play a game set in the 1st era or sumthing where we can play as them
@@NotMagnus8832 did we get ooo dwarfed
My favourite part of elder scrolls period. Adds so much mysticism
Dwemer: Noooo you can’t use Numidium without the heart of Lorkhan!!
Tiber Septim: Haha soul gem goes brrrrr
Lorewise, the Mantella and Totem were only capable of making the Numidium barely function, never able to bring it to full capacity. So yes, the Heart is the only way to actually make Numidium properly work.
I literally subbed to you yesterday cos I hoped you'd soon upload a video about the Dwemer and here we are..
So the heart of lorkan was basically a soulstone type device that used the entire dwemer race to create and power a god machine?
Yep. It's also the reason ALMSIVI killed Indoril Nerevar, prompting Azura to turn the Chimer into the Dunmer, their skin darkened by the ashes of their new homeland, just as their souls were darkened by their betrayal.
So, they're in a weird version of the Soul Cairn now? Like, in a Deadric/Oblivion Realm of Dwemer? Kagrinak perhaps as their new "God" figure?
@@thalmoragent9344 Its very possible. Bethesda has a habit of releasing counter theories on themselves. The "Expert on Dwemer" in skyrim contradicts alot of things that are explained in morrowind, where you meet an actual honest to god Dwemer
@@neowilliams
Ah, I see. What are the biggest contradicting theories from the "Expert on Dwemer"?
Yes the whole race got sucked into it
Your videos have given me a far deeper appreciation and interest for Dwemer lore more so than the game itself and I keep your content close to me while playing! You're the best Skyrim RUclipsr in my opinion :)
Maybe he was going for something similar to whatever the Ideal Masters did. He carved out a new realm of Oblivion where the Dwemer could live eternally and undisturbed by other races. The Numidium was his equivalent to a massive soul gem that functioned as some sort of gateway to his plane of Oblivion. What would it be called, the Dwemer Cairn?
Elysium
Dude your writing at the beginning of these episodes is absolutely fantastic. I could listen to it all day - in fact, I already have!
Maybe we are the dwemer, we changed through time and through Dimension hopping. We lost our old knowledge and perhaps transcended everything in the Elder Scrolls universe as we are now watching it from a plain above as simply fiction. From day to day we create new universes with our simple thoughts. We lost our old knowledge but at the same time we achieved greater knowledge, transcended our old universe and surpassed our old ancestors in many things. Perhaps one day we'll regain our knowledge through science or arcane rituals. Maybe we will never learn the old ways again. But do we really need them anymore?
STOP IN THE NAME OF THE JARL!!
You have fucked with my head far to much!
This aligns with Coda....so...ill allow it.
The real dwemer were the friends we made along the way
Bro why does this make sense?
This is my new earth head cannon can't wait for Earth two but we'll probably all die from this covid DLC but I get some good weapons called masks.
“Complex oral hypnosis” sounds an entry in the Chimer-Sutra
Aural
We all wanted it to be oral.
Chimer-sutra? Bro learn to fuckin spell?
@@nagorogan6806
Yo Nagorogan...
Are you serious?
The Chimer are what the Dunmer were called before the Tribunal (ALMSIVI) screwed over Indoril Nerevar.
So, “Chimer-Sutra” isn’t a misspelling, it’s a clever play on both the words “Chimer” and “Kama”. Kama-Sutra is very similar in sound to Chimer-sutra. That is, if you accept that ‘Ch” in “Chimer” makes a Kid sound, and not a digraph sound “Ch”.
I love your joke, BTW
I think he murdered his whole race. I think Lorkan's Heart still contains Lorkan's will.
I never considered this possibility. Very interesting.
It makes sense, Lorkan didn't want them to become gods. As I think Lorkan made mortals so that more life could exist by turning the Gods' power into life. if they became gods, they wouldn't create life anymore. Creating life through robots and uh, means I can't mention, is what I mean by they wouldn't create life anymore. As they wouldn't need robots, so they wouldn't build them. As for the other method, they can't and even than, why would they, their entire race is already immortal.
@@beanface7408
What would stop the Dwemer from making stuff and affection the mortal realm like the Aedra and Daedra do now though?
Couldn't they keep building?
@@thalmoragent9344 Maybe. But that is just my interpretation.
@@beanface7408 Lorkhan actually wanted people to become more than gods... All evidence points to CHIM and then something beyond CHIM, being Lorkhans entire reason for making mundus and allowing mortals to exist.
In all of their greediness and curiosity, the Dwemer sought to control the heart of Lokhran, and rewarded for their ignorance, the God of the Word flinged the entire race into the future where It believed it no longer existed (hence the Hammerfell setting in TES:6).
He believed it no longer existed because it was after the events of Skyrim, ie he believed Alduin had suceeeded in eating the world
@@Stettafire bro... I love that
Im really starting to think that fudge muppet is julianos, he just split himself into to three and divided his power, Charisma, Knowledge, and Wisdom.
Just what this universe needed: a Reaper.
SHEPARD!
EDIT:
Shame Kootra isn't still around. He'd bust a nut at something like this.
oh gid
Mass Effect Reapers have nothing on the Numidium.
One thing that's always bothered me about this topic in particular - no one ever seems interested in discussing the phrase "golden soul".
Not white.
Not black.
Golden.
Bc we aint *racist*
@@NoNo-lt9bi your comment should have a thousand thumbs ups!
oooh~ care to elaborate? first thing that came to mind was the aldmer but idk
Huh? Exblain!
Yeah, it's odd to describe their souls as golden when they should have black souls, just like every other sentient race on Nirn. But if a soul can be lessened into a white, as happened to the Snow Elves (possibly thanks to the Dwemer), perhaps it's possible to add to a soul, too. Maybe the parts taken from the Snow Elf souls were added to the Dwemer's souls, thus making them more powerful, making them go from black to golden. Only problem is that I've never heard any other reference to a golden soul.
I looked up Golden Saints, Deadra that serve Sheogorath and possibly Meridia, because of their name, but they have white souls. Oddly, Dremora (serve Mehruns Dagon) have black souls, which implies they are connected to/on the same level as the mortal races. It makes me wonder what kind of souls the Deadric Lords have, or mortals like Vivec that have ascended. Perhaps they too would have golden souls?
They actually turned into the brass gods new kicks. He got them Dwemer 11s
Theory: the dwemmer tried to investigate what happened to Epstein
The Dwemer didn't kill themselves.
@Cactus Juice not by himself.
Plausible
The way you explain the lores of Skyrim literally leaves me wanting more. Elder scrolls universe is literally a masterpiece.
I'm glad that you brought up that the Dwemer were divided on the issue of Numidium, although one small correction - whenever Nerevar brought the issue of the Heart experiments to Dumac, *Dumac didn't deny the allegations,* **Kagrenac came between them and cried about how Nerevar should keep his nose out of Dwemer business.** That element is consistent, through the Ashlander account of Red Mountain, Saint Vivec's account of Red Mountain, even the *36 Lessons,* which are notorious for how historically inaccurate they are (possibly because they were designed to alter the timeline at Red Moment, and therefore exist in an alternate dimension). Kagrenac purposefully created a divide between two best friends, Nerevar and Dumac, so that he could keep his secret from Dumac.
I'm also glad that you brought up the 1999 forum post; it's pretty esoteric, and people who advocate this theory usually bring up some unlicensed text from 2010(?) that implies that all Dwemer chose to become Numidium at the same time, and also advocates the NOPEmidium theory, which I've never been a fan of because there was no NOPE-ing during the Warp in the West to my knowledge. I like the Marukhati version better because it lays all the blame at Kagrenac's feet, and doesn't imply that every single damn Dwemer on Tamriel consented to soul fusion.
You are truly the Vaatividya of The Elder Scrolls :)
I could listen to that voice all day and great video quality, as always
Based on Arniel’s experiment it is much more likely they were transported somewhere. A higher plane of existence.
Also, no one ever points it out but Arniel doesn’t cost anything to summon. Meaning wtv happened to him, he’s somewhere overflowing with magic.
I hope Yagrum Bagarn, the last dwemer, makes an ESO appearance.
But do we /really/ want to see him in those HD graphics?
@@Aethuviel He likely wouldn't be in the condition he was in during the events of Morrowind, as that was caused by that virus thing.
@@johntidont I thought he only lived that long because of corprus. So when did he get it?
@@Aethuviel Afaik he had been in one of the planes of Oblivion during the time his race disappeared, and only returned at some point before the events of Morrowind. I'm not sure if Corprus even appeared in the timeline prior to the events of Morrowind.
@@johntidont If we do see him, he would likely be non-bloated and still within the plains of oblivion due to the timeline.
The quest "Arniel's endeavor" was completely crazy to me. The man was a dewmer specialist at the College who actually managed to recreate the event at a much smaller scale.
The result was him vanishing and allowing the dragonborn to summon his "shade" theough a spell. My interpretation is that his soul went exactly where the dwarves's souls are... wherever that may be.
My theory (I don't know if it makes sense) is that it is not the "where" that matters, but the "when". What if the race travelled through time? Maybe it would explain why their tech was so advanced even in the First Era, or why their cities and constructs seem to be unnafected by the passage of time.
Like you said, this topic is mindblowing. And I guess we'll only have an answer with Eldes Scrolls 6's release.
And to think Todd Howard and all them know exactly what happened. They know the answer to every secret.
They probably didnt make an answer and are never going to reavel it bc there is none but if they do reveal it and it doesnt quite fit in the lore now you know that it is bc they didnt plan for that to be the answer
@@NoNo-lt9bi yea they will never reveal some things. Todd howard said he prefers some things remain a mystery
Unfortunately sometimes the answer is "we will come up with something when we need it". The fans often know the lore better and create better theories.
@@NoNo-lt9bi right. Like tbh they've probably just been making it up as they go. That way they don't write themselves into a dead end.
Watch ESO's video with Ted Peterson you'll get your answer. I have to warn you though it's not as complex and interesting as you think.
Can’t believe you guys are almost at 1 million subs, feels like it wasn’t that long ago I first started watching you guys but it’s been 4 years! Keep up the good work you’re a gift to the community
Funny how they despised the gods, yet ended up creating one.
this could be a potential thanos reference....
It's not funny, it's rather poignant.
The Dwemer lobbed a giant F-bomb at the universe by making a divine being out of what was basically household items. Thus, they created something sacred through the deaths of the profane.
@@pheade1254 thanos meme god damit!!!!
Exactly what the average atheist does with their popular figures.
@@fatkiller1000 Examples ?
Some mysteries were never meant to be solved, the disappearance is one of them, but it is fun to theorize about this
Never is a long time.
I'm actually of a differing opinion on this. Once I got whiff that this was something Bethesda was never going to solve, I just put it out of my mind. To me, it's status as something we're never going to fully know the truth about means that it is 'solved' (since no further headway into deeper truth is possible) and I categorize it accordingly. I'm not saying that unsolvable mysteries aren't a useful trope, because we can't possibly know everything; I just find speculating about such forever unknowns to be dreadfully dull, like muddling about in the dark. I'm one of those people who get satisfaction from 'accomplishment', even if it is just an illusion (like in video games). I just need to feel like I'm getting somewhere, or I disengage with the medium and rapidly lose interest.
im sure bethesda will drop vague hints that could mean several things for fun in the future :p
@@TheSuperRatt That's probably part of the attraction of these videos. It's fun to hear someone's theory and wonder if their revelations about the topic are what actually happened based on their reasoning.
I like the idea of unsolved mysteries but the Dwemer share a similar issue as the victim of that same trope in another setting, the lost primarchs in 40k.
In both these cases, not knowing is less of a “ooo fun mystery” and more “ooo big ass chunk of a pivotal piece of lore is just missing”, at least to me.
A good unsolved mystery is one that can stay unsolved or be solved at any moment and it won’t change the trajectory or history of a setting. Not knowing the fate of the Dwemer and lost primarchs respectively creates a huge dissonance in the fandom bc conflicting theories can alter the theology and world building in completely unreconcilable ways. Which then creates even more problems when areas surrounding those mysteries are unveiled and it turns out everyone was wrong and now there are even more nonsense theories. Or, even worse, the world builders dig a hole they can’t get out of and have to cheese the writing to avoid a plot hole. The lost primarchs are great example of this. In order to avoid mentioning them at ALL, the lore surrounding a war that nearly wiped out mankind is just nonexistent bc we have 1 tidbit of lore that suggests the lost fought it in said lore and the writers can’t be fucked to just lift the veil already. The entire course of the crusade was altered by that war and we don’t even know what the fucking aliens that did it looked like.
It’s shit like that, that turns an unsolved mystery into a neglected aspect of the lore
This whole comment is me just being salty I’ll probably never find out what happened to the Glorius steamy sound elves that scienced so hard they lagged out of the server
I’ve never been this quick to a Fudgemuppet video .
Me too, I'm usually 6 months behind! Been binge watching though...
Same and only know noticed that I am only 23 hours after release! So close!
Reading the title: Are you guys drunk?
After watching the video: Well, now I am too.
Another video about the Dwemer? Yes please! 😊 My obsession with the mysterious Elves is fed.
Your voice and that soundtrack together is the most enjoyable and calming thing an ES fan could listen too 4 sure.
"There is a fourth kind of philosophy that uses nothing but disbelief." -36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 6 (which corresponds to the Walking Ways in the Sermon of the Numbers)
Of course the Dwemer are the skin of the Brass God. Was there any other force in all of the Aurbis better at screaming "NO" at all of the fundamental laws? They were the race most well suited to Walking this Way.
I fell in love with the Dwemer back in Morrowwind days. I try to find everything about them that I can. I'm currently working on a character for ESO that researching the dwemer is his life's work. I'm planning on having him continue theoughout Morrowwind, Oblivion and Skyrim. He's going to be a Dwemerologist. Studying both the logic and arcane of this race. ❤
Imagine a new elder scroll game, tes7 or something where a new super advanced force invades Nirn, something like the reapers and at the end you discover they are the dwemer coming back from another plain of oblivion trying to destroy the aedra and daedra and conquer nirn
i thought of this too, they could come back indifferent to the rest of mundus but extremely powerful, demented like the falmer, or simply from the future with a need to change the past. they'd be an excellent villainous faction
Depends on their current status, the only thing known about them is them disappearing, are they dead? Or alive? Are they teleported to another plain of aetherius or went to a plain of oblivion , or they went the thanos way just vaporized, but if they ever return, fighting an entire race could be a cool way for a final elder scroll game, not aedra or daedra, or thalmor , the true enemy is the dwemer themselves!!
@@ibrahimdafalla6695 Why a whole race? And why a final game? The ending of Skyrim had the dragons come back even if Alduin was destroyed. If the Dwemer or a more specific villain (maybe Kagrenac) are the villain, then maybe with time you could discover that your enemy is like the Thalmor are to the High Elves? And then your character meets other Dwemer with other motivations. And by the end that faction is defeated but the Dwemer continue on.
@@antiochus87 not necessarily in the near future but it's just a possibility, anything can happen in the elder scrolls world, but a full evil dwemer army sounds cool 😏
@@kisa4748They don't have to be villains either. They could be more like the federation in Star Trek, sort of lightly influencing what goes on in Nirn, but trying to follow a policy of non-interference. Maybe they want to prevent some world-ending catastrophe, but refuse to intervene directly, and the player character is drafted to act on their behalf. I would prefer that since nothing about their history is at all evil.
This guy has the best lore videos I’ve seen. I’ve barely heard or read about this stuff in game I’ve read about some of it in game books but not as much as his videos have.
I just logged off ESO and i see this on my notifications... Perfection.
How’s eso? I’ve played a lot of wow but never gave eso a chance
@@XxHMGrantxX not good very bland. Bethesda doesn't do mmo's very well
@@XxHMGrantxX, I really like it. I think it's worth a try. Plus they often do 2-3 weeks free trial
@@XxHMGrantxX one of the best I’ve played. If you decide to dive in, you’ve got a long road ahead. I recommend.
I like eso's pve content, but pvp's just a 'git gud' flustercluck sometimes....
Your narration is ACE! I'm loving the pace and vibe. Mellow, intriguing, curious and questioning. Great job! Can't wait for more speculative pieces.
I love elder scrolls dwarf content. This was an immediate click for me.
TLDR: Kagrenac made an entire race disappear and unlocked the gold skin
What if when all the Dwemer dissapeared there souls went into their robot constructs. They have their immortality, they live forever, but they cant communicate or anything and are trapped in their buildings?
Thats exactly what I've always thought. They became their machines and still walk the halls of their cities.
i belive that as fact tbh
Also, they always have soul gems on their bodies.
It makes sense considering you can find skeletons and spirits for every race except for Dwemer.
There are dwemer ghosts however in Morrowind. Perhaps they are older than the event?
I love the stories within the elder scrolls worlds. How everything messes together it's like reading a really good book. Thank you.
You know I've always wondered if the dwarves had an admiration and respect for the nords since shouting, a form of tonal magic, is intrinsically interwoven into their very being. Like would their priests be the equivalent of Nordic tongues?
dwemer: awww it´s like our tonal architecture but in a baby mode! so adorable...
Nordic tongues would be vocalists, while shorty bois would handle instruments. Eyelids can take illumination of the entire show
@@alvar4547 all that advancement just to become little more than particularly intriguing mystery. It’s actually kinda sad that everything the Dwemer built fell into ruin because no one else understands how to work it well enough to maintain even a single stronghold(doesn’t help that every single one I’ve been in has multiple places where the whole damn cavern collapsed and blocked off walkways and shit) I wonder how much more the Dwemer could have achieved if they had said “fuck it, we conquering now” and just took over the world instead of trying to build a hammer to play the heart of a dead god like it’s a damn bongo
When I saw this topic hit 4 hours ago, I was like “FINALLY” but I was too busy to watch it then.
I’m leaving a like and watching. Wish it were a longer video,, but damn, great video, Drew!
I'm so early I couldn't believe the upload was 5 minutes ago and almost zero summed out of sheer disbelief
You know, I wonder whether Jyggalag ever took an interest on the Dwemer. Despite daedric in nature, both him and the Dwemer could possibly have quite an intersection of interests. I'm yet to see this topic being discussed on the lore.
They don’t like Julianos why would they like Jyggy?
wasn't it The Calling that allowed the rest of the Dwemer to understand the grand realization along with Kagrenac when he hit the heart? Which would explain the widespread disappearance.... maybe
Always thought the Calling was interesting, it seems like the dwarves had mental internet with each other.
Ah yes, the race-wide Skype call
While I do find it an interesting idea, I still feel the simplest option is the dwemer went through time, not making the skin of a new God, after all the deeper lore is a paradox and what better way to show it than the deeper becoming a paradox in time
Started played Skyrim again during covid, love your content!
4:22 that close up of the centurion reminds me of those weird statues you find in Fallout4 that are never explained.
Dwemer just plain shifted to post war Boston to chill with some super duper mutants
Merely reused assets. Bethesda is famous for it. It also could be called an Easter egg I suppose but I think they were just too lazy to create a new statue.
@@SmearyBridges its a new statue, and they predate skyrim assets appearing in fallout 3
Maybe the Dunwich Monster is the Numidium than? Or Xrib, whoever that is.
Fallout 4 uses higher poly skyrim skeletons as well
Dwemer Instrumentality Project.
This has always been my theory.
Get in the Bronze God, Shinji!
ahahah, pretty much, yeah.
This was the comment I searched.
Yeah, this is it
I have suggested this idea about 2 other times but basically the idea was that as another part of your Alternate History series is the Atmorans and the Snow Elves joining forces and it would be cool to see how that affects history and TobeWilsonNetwork suggested that the Dwemer might enslave some other race instead. Awesome video by the way
I think their history and the mystery of their disappearance is what makes them so interesting but it would be cool to see them return as the main antagonists or something like that
Theory: When Aludin stopped trying to eat the world, and the nords sealed him, it put the godhead into a coma instead of waking up in the morning.
So, The Godhead, whoever they actually are is actually a coma patient?
I like the idea that they achieved a hollow kind of CHIM, discovering that their world is a dream/game and that they're NPCs rather than player-characters. Upon realizing they're not real, they ceased to be.
These videos as are always a treat.
My guess: activating the numedeon created multiple realities (different timelines), all crushing togeter in a dragon breach... All but one, a timeline where dwemer exist but the divine beings do not. The dwemer are trapped in their own reality of pure science. Their paradise.
TES 6: The Dwemer return... this is what I need.
Playable dwemer race?
@@cthonicaidoneus lol, nah, I was thinking something along the lines of a story plot point. The dwemer return to tamriel as an invasion force to be reckoned with.
@@anavgamerican2251 they've come to kick names and take ass
My pet theory remains that the Dwemer traveled through time and into the future, hoping the world on the whole had progressed. I expect to meet them in a future TES game where their arrival is a main plot point.
Alternatively, I like the idea that they traveled to the past and founded their own civilization, creating a nice circle. :-)
It would explain why all the other races upon migrating to Tamriel discovered the already well established Dwemer
Listening to tes lore/theories hit DIFFERENT when you falling asleep to it.
Perhaps my favorite thing about this channel is that every video seem to have these long soliloquys, these deep and artful expositions tha tell us everything and draw us deeper into the wonder of the lore. Then they all close with FudgeMuppet.
A lot of them are kind of pseudo-intellectual cringe tbh, but I like the effect of it over the nicely rendered scenes from the games
MK's personal theory finally gets its own Fudgemuppet episode
That is interesting but I'm questioning why Yagrum is still around. I mean sure he was in an outter realm at the time but I find it very hard to believe he was the ONLY dwarf in the outer realms. Surely others must've been as well and not just him. Also it seems everytime the Brass god is activated it makes a dragon break, like the warpin the west and when Tiber Septium activated it.
My theory is that they REALLY DID become a God of technology/tonal architechture, trick is, that %99 of the worshippers of such a religion just became a god. It's like trading all your fuel for a car with an empty tank.
So they become the god of the very things they worship. But miss that key detail that gods need worshippers. I....can actually see that.
Makes sense considering that how many worshippers you have in that universe determines your power.
The numidium doesn't really have anyone to worship it so it doesn't have power over the world.
So it was a misunderstanding of the power of godhood that was the fall of the dwemer.
@@OfficialFedHater the gods don't care if you believe or not. They exist outside of time. To them this nirn, Tamriel existing is the same as when it isn't existing.
@@Sinnixk it's true, the concept that the Aedra gain power from worship isn't spelled out in Elder Scrolls, but, IMHO, that's the maim reason a God would want worship in any mythos. All we really know of the Aedra and their powers is that they fully invested themselves into nirn, became one with it, and lost most of their powers. I still think the Aedra encourage worship as a fuel source, but you could argue that they give blessings out with what meager powers they have so those blessed will act as their hand and influence nirn in their own ways.
Another piece of evidence we can use to support this claim is the fate of Arniel Gane. Now technically, because this is a side quest, it's not part of the greater canon of the Elder Scrolls universe, but it does give us a great deal of insight. When Arniel struck a soul gem with Keening, he also disappeared. The most notable thing about this event is that the player can summon Arniel's shade for *Zero Magicka* . The lack of magika required implies that Arniel's shade is _not_ being summoned from a plane of Oblivion like an Atronach. All evidence leads to the conclusion that when Arniel struck the soul gem with Keening, the dagger bound him to the nearest powerful object: the Dragonborn, who may or may not be (but I strongly believe is) an avatar of Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan. The following question concerns the Numidium: how exactly does it work? We can infer from evidence that it's designed to be a new Tower through which the Dwemer can transcend the earth bones a.k.a. physics of Mundus, but the Heart of Lorkhan itself is already a Tower. Is the Numidium a focusing element to alter the nature of the Heart? Or maybe it's a cage like you said, meant to protect the Heart after Kagrenac's tools were used. The final and most important question here is: were the Dwemer bound to the Numidium or the Heart of Lorkhan itself? If they were in fact bound to the Heart, the most powerful artifact of the god of mortality, they may very well have understood and transcended mortality, achieving Chim and leaving Mundus behind.
The Heart is a Stone of the Tower, but not the Tower itself.
Much has been said of the disappearance of the dwarves, but Lore Keepers forget that many dwemer did not disappear. To those who played Morrowind, you can find many "Dwemer Spectres" throughout the Dwarven ruins that dotted landscape. They could also be fought and Soul trapped.
This reminds me of the College of Winterhold quest where the professor or teacher becomes a Spectre at the end of the quest.
I wonder if initially Aetherium, which is supposed to be indestructible and have immense magical properties was supposed to be the material that protected the Numidium, but they couldn't make enough, or not enough in the time they had, so this was the alternative
Everytime I come home from working out and take my bath, I have Fudge Muppet videos in the background to chill. Thanks for all your vids, man!
Kagrenac: "I will turn my people into an indestructible god!"
Zurin Arctus: "Harr, Harr, Numidium goes BOOM!"
Elder Scrolls is an elder scroll itself that masterfully weaves human nature into a different world to predict inevitable future events. In this case, it tells how humans will destroy themselves trying to manipulate parts of the universe we don't understand with our technology that we hold as gods.
This also holds with Coda....so again...I will allow it
Were you talking about that kind of technology that led to creation of Fallout 76 and 9759408 editions of Skyrim? If yes, then indeed, our power outgrew our maturity
@@albertobarbosa4938 I'm talking about quantum computing and how in the future we will use it to try and bend reality but will probably destroy ourselves; like the Dwemer.
One thing that this brings up is the Godhead, and I keep wondering something: is the Godhead literally just a sleeping person and the Aurbis a literal dream, or is the Godhead more of a metaphor for something else? I once heard another idea that if one achieves CHIM and then Amaranth that they leave their home universe, fall asleep, dream up a new universe and then turn into that universe (effectively dying to become a new reality).
The Godhead is the game code, and everyone who contributes to it. It's the book, the shared dream, the work of fiction.
To alter it is console commands. CHIM.
To rewite it is mods and story.
To wake up, is to disengage. No great reward. Just normality.
Dagoth Ur's subconcous partially directed the script of The Elder Scrolls III Morrowind because Bethesda wrote it that way.
Vivec does fun things for Kirkbride, and Kirkbride empowers Vivec, and both are happy.
The Dwemer *cannot* interact with metanarrative. They're not the writer, the player, nor Dagoth Ur or Vivec (singled out by Bethesda). Any attempt to do so casts them as supervillains with giant doom ploys. And so their plot is ignobly resolved as an Evangelion reference, as regular narrative blowback.
Basically what Joshua said. The Godhead is the game code when they reach enlightenment they learn of the fact they are characters in a game, they are not real and never can be, if they accept this fact they disappear, if they reject it and decide they are in fact real and will continue to be they essentially cross over. I guess in a way there is no positive ending to enlightenment because if you accept what you are you are erased from the game files and if you don't you also are erased but you become something different. There is alot of lore behind it and Joshua sums it up damn near perfectly.
@Rest in peace bro ...Yes they are.
The quest "Arniel's Endeavor" has some interesting information on this. Arniel basically attempted to recreate Kagrenac's work, & you literally watch him disappear when he strikes the warped soulgem, although he used Keening to strike it instead of Sunder & did not use Wraithguarde. So it can be argued that there are some differences in approach. However, Arniel DID, in fact, disappear much like the Dwemer did. & even though he disappeared, you were able to summon him afterwards.
That quest actually intrigued me because I wondered what happened to him.
I thought Arniel’s experiment might only very vaguely have anything in common with the results of those of Kagranac given Arniel’s complete lack of competence and understanding of what he was doing, how crude his methods were and the danger he was putting himself and potentially everyone else in.
He doesn’t even tell you what the relic you go to collect for him is or that touching it will kill you (you take it off the body of a mage who I presume died after killing the courier and checking what he had on him) and he’s astonished that you have touched it and aren’t dead!
I know it’s supposed to reward you with something because it’s a game and you wouldn’t want to do Arniel’s quest for nothing but lore-wise I’m surprised that anything happened at all.
I think Arniel’s _shade_ rather than his spirit or ghost became part of you (and thus able to summon it) because I think he just unmade himself. Not dead, even. Less than that. Just erased from existence.
I have thought to myself that if you were able to actually talk to his colleagues and enquire about him in a real-life way, they might not even know who you were talking about…
But then again that would create a paradox something like a dragon break but on a small scale.
Nah, Thaddeus Cosma just took them on a little field trip.
I always thought it was very clear that the dwemer achieved chim simultaneously via their natural telepathy coupled with kagrenac's efforts; but also that the illogical component to chim caused them to simply wink out of the dream like so many others before them.
All the peeps that only ever think that the Dwemer either became one with Numidium or else zero summed always seem to conveniently forget the fact that the entire event of their disappearance took place within the dragon break triggered by Numidium’s first activation by Kagrenac striking Lorkhan’s Heart, known as the Red Moment. In a dragon break, all impossibilities become possibilities, and all possibilities become reality. Kind of like how elder scrolls let you look into other possible and impossible realities, dragon breaks let you actually live them all at once.
The Dwemer didn’t JUST get absorbed into Numidium or zero sum. They also achieved CHIM, got wholesale displaced to some outer realm, deliberately fucked off to a reality/dream/simulation of their own making, were kidnapped by Azura, were displaced in time to a future where their technology and magic are almost obsolete, got turned to ash at the Battle of Red Mountain, and much more besides these options, all simultaneously. They did get absorbed, they did get erased, and they are also still out there somewhere/somewhen. Meaning that, while they are “gone,” they also aren’t gone, and thus it’s just as likely for some poor member of a normie race to just be walking down the street one day and bump into a Dwemer as it is for them to never meet a Dwemer at all. Falion very likely did actually meet one as he claims.
Shit, technically speaking, you could conceivably even play as a Dwemer if the games ever had them as an option and it would still be lore friendly.
Given where the time rift creating "Dragon Scroll" was found, it's pretty clear the Dwemer used it to shift their entire race into the future.
So it couldn't have been the heart of Lorkhan....😳
Its really not that clear actually. If the elder scroll as you claim was the key factor in the disappearance of the Dwemer then why is it still locked up in the Dwemer machine in Blackreach. You would think it would instead be lying on the ground s where the last Dwemer to do whatever funky business to it was standing when he vanished.
@@screamingeagles2670 Because the scroll manipulates TIME. Remember what that machine does. It lets you get information from a scroll without the whole "going blind" side effect. The Dwemer got the information they needed, then realized they needed to leave the scroll in the machine, specifically so that the Dragonborn could anchor the OTHER end of the time corridor for them.
Dwarven armour just inspired an idea - what if Bethesda brought back a sort of unarmoured skill, but with different armours such as fur to glass, for example there’s standard cotton robes but there are spider silk robes that grant slight armour bonus without affecting spell effectiveness and then perhaps some daedric leather robes - nightingale armour comes to mind and top tier could be some ethereal aeleid fabric that offers decent armour similar to light armour but less and also enhances spell effectiveness or reduces spell cost - thoughts?
Yeah, wear heavy armor. :P
I kid, I kid. The ES really need a middle ground.
Basically what kotor did then. They have “armors” that still provide bonuses but don’t inhibit force abilities.
I’m not saying to do it *exactly* like that. But I would really like to actually have a use for not-technically-armors.
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Remember when the moons disappeared, I would be very unwilling to state categorically that in a world with dragon -breaks that they are lost and gone forever.
that's...really interesting since the moons are lorkhan's body so in that world, both his heart and body are gone. i wonder what's going on over there
I see dwemer...I upvote...
You are an asmr reader, please keep making these videos.
If this theory is true, and the Numidium really is this brass god of logic, reason and order, then could the Numidium (and thus the Dwemer) be mantling Jyggalag? After all, up until the end of the Third Era he was a mostly missing deity of the same sphere, and the Numidium could possibly be providing some reconciliation to that missing role. If this is the case, then the separation of Jyggalag from Sheogorath in the Shivering Isles DLC could possibly be really consequential to this.
I was wondering if instead it could be Lorkhan, since that was what powered it
The soundtrack for Skyrim makes me feel some type of way. It feels extremely nostalgic, more than any other game I've played and idk why. I just know that this music pulls up some emotion...
This reminds me of Xerxes in Fullmetal Alchemist, and the Heart... the Philosophers stone
I swear, the intro segments are the best part of these videos
The Numidium is a microcosm of the whole of Nirn. The Dwemer were like the elnafey. The worldbones. Kagrenac was like Lorkhan here. The Elder Scrolls lore is based on some very true gnostic ideas and this is right in line with it. The idea of micro and macrocosms. Fractals.
For me the solution is in what really is the Heart of Lorkhan,who that convinced(?), tricked(?) ,forced(?) the "gods" to use their souls to create Mundus. Then, when these gods decided to punish Lorkhan depriving him of his "divine spark" ,the Heart, they found it to be impossible to destroy, because "the Heart was the Heart of the World,and they were in the World" . So possibly Lorkhan bounded the souls of the gods to his essence.
When Dagoth Ur used the Heart , he wanted to ,quoting the wiki, "making the mortals gods and so controlling them" . This is a real turn: 1) the Heart could make someone a god (we knew it) ; 2)the Heart could controll the gods or being a god is prerogative of being under the Heart's control.
Now,I dont know what the Dwemer did or what the Heart really is,but maybe it is a sort of souls gem powering Mundus with the extraordinary essences of those (made ?) ancient gods,and thus explaining why the Numidium, powered by those souls,can controll all the aspects of reality, cause all the aspetcs are the gods,all the gods are Mundus,and all Mundus is the Heart. May be that the Dwmer souls are in the Heat, but may be not them controlling it and the Numidium.
This is what I found out.
P.s. creating the Numidium is probably littering recreating Lorkan.
Honestly, I kinda assumed that Lorkans heart absorbed the entire race to power To power the Numidian
equivalent exchange
I'd also like to add that in Skyrim, Arniel Gane's soul is somehow bound to the Dragonborn after he attempts to recreate the ritual that resulted in the disappearance of the Dwemer. Granted, he didn't have the right tools (and there's even speculation that the Keening found in Skyrim is not the real one,) and he did it in a much smaller scale, so that would explain why this resulted in the soul of a single person becoming more or less a thrall to the closest powerful being around him, as opposed to truly replicating whatever happened to the Dwemer. I think this reinforces the "the Dwemer's collective souls were bound to the Numidium" theory.
I just thought up a new theory: We believe there might have been a minor dragon break in the battle of red mountain, right? Well, what if they actually sent the dwemer race back in time to the Merethic era to become themselves again. Nobody realizes this is what happened because the Merethic era had no real history, it had linear time but nothing was really understood about it. Heck they may have been thrown into the late dawn era, and that's why they couldn't find the heart to begin again till the ones who remembered were gone, Lorkhan had yet to die.
I agree with you the writer of oblivion an morrowind said they were sent in the future where there invententions were obsolete he did not work on skyrim keep in mind so respect if your came up with that on your own I walkways got that impression too like a messed up Mandela effect
I was just going off of the fact that things can be temporally displaced in the Elder Scrolls and the fact that the dwemer have no stated origin. It makes even more sense when you remember the heart of Lorkhan is a sentient object likely with some control over the power it wields.
@@brandonwilliams4163 yeah like they reappear some time in the 9th era when mortals have colonized the moons. Course that kind of expanse has repercussions too. How will colonization of the moons affect the Khajiit, for example?
@@fireblast133 How would colonizing the planets effect the aedra? Those are supposed to BE the aedra.
@@sirariusritter4250hmm, that is a curiosity. If the aedra planets were colonized, would the aedra have greater influence upon their own surfaces?
There are lexicon cubes filled with knowledge, even machines that can transfer the knowledge of an elder scroll onto a lexicon cube. So, the player character could read a book, find an empty cube, travel to different Dwemer cities, and transfer knowledge onto their cube. Then take the filled cube to a special room that reveals a map of all of all of the Dwemer cities and allows you access as you find and repair devices located in each city. The more you find, them more you discover. Just like finding all of the dragon priest masks and taking them to Labyrinthian and placing them into the dais only for the room to change and reveal another dragon priest mask. This could also be a mechanism for changing the player character into someone who is trusted by the automatons that guard the cities, allowing the player character to collect dwarven oil and dwarven metal pieces in order to repair various cities, allowing for entire regions to have better water supply, steam resources and even reveal structures long since buried by the sands of the desert. What factions would benefit, which would suffer from your actions? Would you become a hero, a villain, the savior of a farming region devastated by famine, or become cursed or blessed by an Aedra or Daedra and be transformed into a Dwemer, forever to inhabit and perform maintenance upon the existing cities and defend the newly revealed troves of knowledge...because there will be certain interested parties who seek to possess that which you have found. The Thalmor know of some of what you have found, and have captured your archeological predecessor, gleaning knowledge about inventions the Dwemer created to protect the Eight Pillars of Creation. Activating these could stop the ultimate goal of the Thalmor, prevent the Thalmor from invading a region, or assist them in bringing about a pillar's destruction. Unforeseen consequences caused by you, and maybe you will need to make a bargain with the Daedric Prince of Knowledge and Fate for assistance, however all knowledge has it's price...