The MOST Confusing Concept in the Elder Scrolls - Dragonbreaks EXPLAINED - Elder Scrolls Lore
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In our latest Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim video we explain one of the most confusing concepts in the Elder Scrolls!
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on November 11, 2011.
The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim. Over the course of the game, the player completes quests and develops the character by improving skills. The game continues the open world tradition of its predecessors by allowing the player to travel anywhere in the game world at any time, and to ignore or postpone the main storyline indefinitely.
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Lore master: Hmm how do we fix all of this conflicting lore?
*Sniffs glue
DRAGON BREAKS !!!
Model glue. Because they're nerds.
That's it! Then they fix time with instant drying glue! You just got a raise!
The funny thing is that’s probably what actually happened
Probably not. It was established in Daggerfall that Numidium was gonna fuck up time. The concept of a Dragonbreak is simply an explanation of how Numidium was gonna do that, what was gonna happen, etc. While dragonbreaks have been used since then for the purpose of retcons, they were intended primarily as an explanation of an ingame event.
@@KahavaveCAPIPI They were inveted to make all the different endings of Daggerfall canon at the same time.
*Akatosh:* "Hey I have this cool rule about how time is supposed to be linear"
*Numidium:* "NO"
Alyssian Order: "What do you mean Akatosh and Auri-El are the same god? We don't want to share a god with elves!"
Akatosh: "You do know I'm the one who made Alessia a Dragonborn in the first place right? What are you going to do, have a cosmic temper tantrum?"
Alyssian Order: *tower dance intensifies*
Akatosh: "FUUUU-" *time.exe has stopped working. Rebooting system...*
@@johnnygyro2295 They don't know it was Shezarr who protected the alessian rebelion and that akatosh was actually created by Alessia as a fusion between Shezarr and Auri-el...
@@ccalico164 is it not more likely a cross between Auri-El and Alduin at first? The only dragon thought to be a God at that time was Alduin, worshipped by the Nord's, so making Akatosh half dragon was probably a nod to them, to keep their interest.
@@ccalico164 the Alessian Order probably tried to purge the Auri-El side, so Akatosh then became Lorkhan/Alduin, given Lorkhan's influence through the Amulet of Kings.
@@rustyk4645 the nords didn't worship Alduin, they actually found him repulsive, as he went against their chief deities, Kyne and Shor, also the khajiiti time god Alkosh was already represented as a dragon, and Auri-el itself was also depicted as a dragon sometimes, altought its most common representation was as a golden eagle.
Also Lorkhan isn't an aspect of Alduin, Shor is the nordic aspect of Lorkhan
While I can understand *why* some people write off dragon-breaks as bad writing, I still find the lore surrounding them fascinating. It very much still feels to me like they add to the ES mythos.
Hello Future Me Hey, I know who are! Hail Mishka
It was originally. But they kinda just lucked onto a cool concept.
It's bad when it's just randomly thrown in the story like in ESO, it's great when there's lore behind the phenomena like Daggerfall and possibly Skyrim.
I call it a well made literal band aid to fix the gaping wound of inconsistent writing in the name of gameplay.
Isaiah Fitzgerald So its creation was like the end of a Dragon Break, in the sense that it was like, “Oh, glad that resolved itself.”
So a Dragon Break is basically the Mandela Effect cranked up on Skooma...
Genes1sXV Elder Scrolls lore is theology on crack in general
FudgeMuppet: Here is how burnie can still win!
It's a plot hole get out of jail free card but honestly I don't mind it in in of it's self
Dragonbreak is Bethesdian for "nuh-uh", often used when being accused of retcons.
Mantella effect
Remember when FudgeMuppet used to be all about meme reviews, good times...
deni sherlock wot
I thought fudgemuppet was about meam reviews
I get it.
Wut? Isn't he trying to stop Camel's hair from taking over Camel?
Camel doesn't even have hair anymore, he shaved it off.
Akatosh: did... did you guys seriously just build a gundam?
Dwemer: yeah, why?
Akatosh: you know what, if you guys aren’t going to take this sword and sorcery fantasy game seriously, then I’m out. Good luck.
I will forever call Walk-Brass "The Dwemer Gundam"
get this more likes 😂😂😂
Ah, so that's why the dwemer were disappeared. They are actually kicked out from the elder scroll server by akatosh cause they don't want to follow the medieval sword n magic fantasy but instead follow the sci-fi n magic fantasy
@@antokarman2064 partially. They were banned from the Nirn server for using exploits to create a pseudo-admin, and aren't allowed to log back in.
Gundam? The Numidium is a repainted Mazinger Zero.
All i can picture is a dragon with a suit getting a coffee break.
Crow Bar 😂
All I can think of when I see your name and picture is crows at a bar
Akatosh, sipping his coffee for over 1000 years: "I'll fix it eventually I guess."
😂😂😂😂
roadhouse699 oh so you watched RWBY then
The best dragon break is the one that gives us more *m e m e s*
Oh hey. I love your On Writing Vids!
Thank you! :)
h a i l m i s h k a
Why has god abandoned us?
Hail Mishka! ^^
When you're looking through the comments and see all this weird shit about meme reviews and Camel's hair before you actually get to that part in the video
that precise moment you're experiencing a dragonbreak
God damn dude your comment was meta as fuck. Im shook for realsies.
I'd love to see Camel's hair become sentient and take control of him😂😂
DirtyAether
*deep and scary voice*
“G R E E T I N G S M O R T A L S! I H A V E C O M E F O R Y O U R W O M- Oh is that hairspray?”
Who's to say it didn't happen long ago?
I like to believe that the diagram displays events in order of most, to least likely, starting from the middle.
... Meme page and hair cut extremely unlikely, lore/build video and hair sentience virtually inevitable. By time of me writing this, they've both already happened
In a nutshell: *god of time forgets to do his job*
That’s why it’s called a dragon break because the dragon god is taking a break
@@stevefilms1997 dead ass if all the gods didn't weaken the god of time and banish the god of order maybe the lore would make sense
Everyone has to have a vacation at some point.
Plot twist; Camel's hair is already sentient, and that's the reason his moustache is gone, it's slowly destroying all other sentient hair on his body.
*slowly whispers* E x e l l e n t
CAMEL BELONGS TO THE HEAD-HAIR!
So his hair is similar to the hist?
Is it also a psychoactive drug like the hist?
Auriel: “Who are you?”
Akatosh: “I don’t know, who are you?”
Guy 1: "WHAT IN OBLIVION IS HAPPENING?"
Guy 2: "Our time god got split in half, a whole province turned into an egg, no one knows who has conquered who and we're colonizing space now. Oh, and the Daedra are on our side now. No clue about the Aedra though..."
Guy 1: leaves Nirn
Alyssian Order: "What do you mean Akatosh and Auri-El are the same god? We don't want to share a god with elves!"
Akatosh: "You do know I'm the one who made Alessia a Dragonborn in the first place right? What are you going to do, have a cosmic temper tantrum?"
Alyssian Order: *tower dance intensifies*
Akatosh: "FUUUU-" *time.exe has stopped working. Rebooting system...*
8:16 Interestingly, due to the nature of dragonbreaks the Empire could technically have still spread to the stars in the consolidated timeline. There could very well be a sect of the Empire cut off from Nirn that none on Nirn know about.
I'm hyped for Elder Scrolls 3000: The Empire Returns
Pretty sure this is just Starfield (they'll include some small easter egg to mess with us)
@@etherealworrier this would be so great.
Aren't the "stars" just holes through which we can see Aetherius though? How would "spreading to the stars" even work?
@@Dryhten1801either a) its figurative, and the empire just occupies vast swathes of space and/or planes of oblivion (like the Battlespire, but on steroids) b) it's completely literal, and the empire figures out a way to cross into aetherius
Elder scrolls Mandela effect
Was gonna comment this.
*False memory syndrome, Mandela Effect (movie) was just named after this crazy Broome chick who was just stupid and didn't want to admit her not knowing what she is talking about (thought Mandela was dead for 20 years when he wasn't), so she made up the term, but no one in the field gives it any credence. :D
I think the save feature has something to do with this. So the pre-dragonbreak is the dragonborn being captured and the dragon break begins with the dragonborn chooses their race. It continues until the dragonborn has done everything. The way I think it works is the save feature gives you the ability to restart everything. In one timeline dovahkiin is a Nord, in another they are an Argonian. The post-dragonbreak happens when you do everything that has an impact on the world. The dragonborn kills Alduin, saves Solstheim and stops the vampires. They lead thieves, assassins, warriors and mages. That is the end of the break because it is Dovahkiin's destiny. The break puts everything that has happened together because you have done everything. The break contradictory comes into play by stating "The dragonborn was an Elven Mage." while also saying "They were an Argonian assassin". No matter what race or build, the outcome is the same. The breaks also come into play in previous games too. The break corrects itself with races though. Sheogorath aka your Oblivion character is human even though they may have been an Khajiit when you played Oblivion. Same with the Nervarine and previous heroes. It also corrects itself gender wise as well. Bringing up Oblivion again, you may have been an Argonian woman, but the break turns your character into a human male. It all begins and ends the same with minor details not meaning much.
That's my theory anyway.
Well, what did the lore say the hero of kvatch was? A dwemer cook?
Zach Lewis Skyrim's Sheogorath is the hero of Kvatch
Zach Lewis Also, an Imperial is the race and knight is the build because of Knights of the nine add on
this just cofused me more.
The kalpa intersecting seems like a plausible cause
*Dragonbreaks are just the beginning/ending of a game.*
Beginning is Pre.
Ending is Post.
No, there have been dragon breaks at times without any corresponding games.
This is only partly true. The events that take place during all of the games beginning to end is a dragon break cuz that is one of the points where a whole bunch of different s*** can happen and usually does. And it is also true the dragon breaks have happened at points not during the games.
@@jeremycarnes1656 without any corresponding games... YET
Dragonbreak Malone instead of post Malone
Anyone else imagine dragons 🐉 break dancing?
I honestly love the idea of the dragon break, because it is a really creative way of handling the various player choices, and not invalidating any of them in the following game. And it just fits with the general weirdness of TES
I LOVE the idea of a dragon break! I know it can look lazy, but to me, it fits so well into the world of TES. A clever way to carry over multiple ends to previous games and make them fit into current lore. I think it's a incredibly cool concept.
I HATE the idea of a dragonbreak! I know it can look cool, but to me, it fits so bad into the world of TES. A lame way to excuse multiple ends to previous games and make them fit into current lore. I think it’s incredibly lazy concept.
If you don’t agree, too bad, dragonbreak happened just now, so both of these statements are true.
@@max7971 the anti Adma
@@max7971Without it, there will be no point in having a head canon for the protagonist. Bethesda doesn't want to interfere with the players' choice, hence why you will never heard anything about the Nerevarine especially his/her races or about the leader of various faction in Morrowind. Because it will meant having a single unified canon for the protagonist making player's choices obsolete, and I don't know about you, but I don't want that. Also, I'm pretty sure Dragonbreak was only use in Daggerfall. The safe bet for Bethesda in the Skyrim Civil War, will be for both leader to fade into obscurity. That is also what would happen for the Last Dragonborn, he/she would fade into obscurity, they wouldn't make him into a Nord dragonborn emperor leading the empire against the Thalmor.
In my opinion The Warp in The West made Tiber Septim ascend to God hood because in Arena and Daggerfall he is the only divine that is not mentioned but is suddenly a divine in Morrowind I feel it has something to do with the underking I feel the Dragon break changed history and made him ascend all through time
Both Tiber Septim and the underking, Ysmir Wulfharth wore the mantle of 'Talos'. Talos the *God* came about after Septim's death, and after the Underking was reunited with his heart and achieved final death during the events of Daggerfall, after the Warp.
In death, both Ysmir and Tiber, as Talos, mantled Shor/Lorkhan/Shezarr, the missing Ninth God, and took his place as the Ninth Divine in the minds of Imperials.
Wouldn't it be more precise to say that Talos re-wrote history so that he could exist after Tiber Septim's death? Until the Warp of the West, 'we' haven't heard about Talos. Oh, and didn't he made Reiman Ebonarm a God of the Redguards? He was the Ninth Divine, but was forgotten for some reason...
Kaalsemulzii Maybe but I feel that the warp in west merged Ysmir Wulfharth Tiber Septim and the Underking into Talos who then mantled Lorkhan and rewrote history so he was always a God of the imperials but until then he was just a man
Talos never existed before the Third Era. History was never 'rewritten'. He filled the void of the Ninth 'warrior god' of man, and people's belief in him basically elevated him to godhood.
Before Talos was Reman Cyrodiil, who was also worshipped as the 'hero god' in life in the Second Era. Reymon Ebonarm was his Yokudan equivalent. However, he was never revered to the same extent as a Divine, and was more of a local cultural hero of the Illiac Bay instead, which is why he's never mentioned after Daggerfall. Before Ebonarm, in the First Era, the Alessian Order worshipped Saint Alessia as a Divine in Shor's place. And before her, was Shor himself, who battled Old Ehlnofey in the Mythic Era.
Talos is Tiber to the Imperials, and Ysmir to the Nords. The statue in Whiterun shows Ysmir Wulfharth stabbing Shor the snake in the mouth, symbolising Talos taking Shor's place as the God of Man and war.
Also, Ysmir, who was the Underking, was the chosen incarnation of Shor/Lorkhan. According to Ysmir himself, Tiber Septim was a murderer and manipulator, and had no divine powers. Everything accomplished by Tiber up until his rule as emperor, was only possible thanks to Ysmir's guidance.
Chosen incarnation? What? What the hell does that mean? Who has chosen him to be the incarnation and for what?
Skyrim’s dragonbreak starts with Alduin appearing through the time wound, and ends with the defeat of Miraak, and this would make it cannon that the Dragonborn was any kind of class. Some could say he was a great warrior with a shield and axe, or a powerful sorcerer who could tear his opponents to shreds with ice. Or maybe a thief that solely uses telekinesis to steal sweet rolls in whiterun.
No, the sweetroll thief is the true Dragonborn.
Or a stealth archer
Obviously a stealtharcher.
The whole concept of CHIMM is probably the most complicated lore concept imo.
The Illuminati it is. I'm fairly certain nothing tops CHIM
I don't think it's complicated. It's a mindfuck, sure, but not complicated. Figuring out how to achieve it is complicated. As sentient beings who are omniscient about all the lore in the universe and realize it's a video game, we fully grasp the idea of CHIM, but how the hell does a random NPC in the universe figure out they're in a dream?
CHIM its basically lucid dreaming, but the person has enough control to not "wake up" from the dream, They accept that they're in a dream and go along with it.
Though achieving it is a whole another matter, its what that confusing 36 lessons tries to explain. As a non native English speaker I still don't understand shit about that lesson. xD
Fahri Nugraha I need to practice CHIM in real life...or rather "real life."
Closeted homosexual Indian married man?
Dragonbreak: I'm the most confusing concept in the elder scrolls!
Lyg: *hold my folding of tamriel*
Speak not of the works of the Writer of the C0DA, for that way lies the realm of Sheggorath.
Dragon breaks? Complicated? Ever heard of CHIM? Lol
They're afraid of zero-summing.
and the ending of the words is ALMSIVI, I still can't get through the 36 Lessons. I hope the New Whirling School website finishes up soon.
The TESLore subreddit can be very helpful. There's a lot of great stuff on there.
What’s CHIM?
Chim ? Ever heard of Amaranth ? Lol
What they are: plot device
What they do: make every single choice the player make canon
mind blown successfully.
So the skyrim civil war happens during a dragon break? =0
@@Lucas11061Yes.
Dragon breaks are like that episode of rick and morty where they created multiple different timelines with those temporal collars and then had to repair the divide. And even after repairing them they had those weird feelings about events that happened but they couldn’t remember them.
So you could say that the story of the dragon born was a dragon break as the dragon born could be a male or female, man or mer , kahjit or Argonian
Mind blown
DLAssassin 56 and you can go back in time and change the events
DLAssassin 56 that's what I've been doing for a while now. It opens up the game more
no
thechris84567 So maybe all of your saves really happened.
DLAssassin 56 nah the dragonborn is probably a nordic male (most likely the default character) in the cannon
These videos and Skyrim got me through a really tough time man. Helped me find myself again and the things I used to love. Thanks brother 👌
Dragonbreak: a ‘brief moment’ where multi-verse folds into one, all realities meet each other. When it closes, people from different multi-verses get stuck in similar but different timelines.
For example, the timebreak of tiber septum using the Numidium on the summer set isles brought forth people from a universe where the numidium was not even used, therefore it lasted centuries.
It seems, and I might be wrong (or right, but missing parts or only seeing one branch of the whole tree) that timebreaks might be constantly or often, breaking, but when it does happen, it only encompasses the timelines that revolve around those events.
Oh fucking finally! I've been seeing that "Where Were You When the Dragon Broke?" book everywhere! I just never bothered to research it. Thanks for the video!
Love these videos! So interesting to know the games are so much deeper than what’s on the surface
This sounds actually crazy interesting. What a wonderful bit of lore!
“I didn’t cheat on you, it must have been a dragon break”
@Brandon Quist well, that’s the whole what was vivec as a child question. In this timeline, the answer is probably a god, but to him he grew up as a prostitute. That would then mean that something that has its evidence erased did not happen, or happened in a different time stream
I actually love that they incorporated the simple idea of "All endings are canon" into the actual lore.
Makes it very appealing, weird & complex.
"Why is it called a dragon break? Probably because someone thought it sounded cool and jumped through a bunch of hoops to make it sound like it had anything to do with dragons at all, which it does not."
Enjoying the absolute mushroom trip of a lore, gripeman?
Akatosh is the dragon God of time, time fuckery has to do with dragons because of him
Look up the Ouroboros, its an image that has been depicted by Humans for a long time (no pun intended), its basically the snake or dragon eating its own tail, infinitely. It represents time in a very cyclical and rhythmic fashion. Bethesda just borrowed an ancient concept and made it a god (aka Akatosh). Thus, when a "dragon break" occurs, time becomes non-linear, the wheel has been broken, the wheel of time is broken.
Funnily enough "The Wheel of Time" is a fantastic book series, that also covers similar elements and themes, and was written before the elder scrolls series. (SPOILERS AHEAD -->) Moreover, the protagonist in the wheel of time books takes place in a world that went through a "breaking" some 3000 years prior, where the "wheel of time" was broken, and the world went through a period of dramatic upheaval. Actually the more I think about it, the protagonist in the books is called the prophesized "Dragon Reborn". Hmm seems really similar to the "Dragonborn" in the elder scrolls. Idk maybe I'm reading too much into it.
@@riktrik7013 Skyrim was originally going to be a game set in the world of Game of Thrones, but the deal fell through because Bethesda decided they'd rather make an Elder Scrolls game based on the Nords, and thus based off of Scandinavian history and cultures.
A dragon break is like when your dad get frustrated and leaves a massive tangled knot in the middle of the Christmas lights because he can’t figure out how to untangle it. Except your dad is the god of time and also a dragon.
This is actually incredibly smart on whoever thought up of this concept. Fictional writers typically just end up retconning their old lore, making what was, obsolete. But in the case of the dragon breaks there is nothing to retcon because there is a lore explanation on how all contradictory explanations happened simultaneously.
This is one of the main reasons why I love the elder scrolls so much. Us fans are but mere mortals, and although we have a desire to fully understand the elder scrolls universe, it wouldn’t make sense to as we aren’t divine beings and would never be able to comprehend the complex nature… kind of like real life
I never made the connection between the Mandela effect and a dragon break but dang was that eye opening for clarifying a dragon break to a layman lmfao
So when the historians disagree, "We were on a break!"
dammit ross
I want to live in the timeline with Camel's sentient hair.
A video on dragonbreaks on my birthday? Thank you.
Happy birthday
Happy day...
Matthew Chirino its not about you bitch
Happy Birthday
Dean Garda no need to be rude dude.
I’m glad you mentioned the possibility of a dragon break resolving the contradictory paths that can be taken in Skyrim, because I started thinking this about halfway through the video!
"Dragonbreaks are the most confusing TES idea." Oh my sweet summer child...
Chim: I'm I a joke to you?
Game of Thrones is dead
@@Emperor.Penguin. ok
wtf
@@Emperor.Penguin. good
Super clear and great video about dragon breaks that made lots of sense! Thank you
Fun drinking game: drink every time FudgeMuppet says “dragon break” in this video
Fun drinking game: take a shot whenever you read a retarded comment about a drinking game about how many times a youtuber says a certain word
@@R33fth3b33f you just did it yourself minus te RUclipsr part
So, the Dragon Breaks is like a combination of Schroder's cat and the Mandala effect happening at the same time.
I think of it as this: There is a wolf after a blacksmith’s son. The man can either
A - Forge a sword, but isn’t in time to help his son and he is killed.
B - The man goes to help his son, and beats the wolf back, saving his son.
During a dragon break, both happen, so the man forges the sword and rushes to his son’s aid, killing the wolf, and saving his son.
this is a nit-pick but A for the first outcome and 2 for the other, just really annoys me.
Evyxed Oh my bad, I didn’t even notice.
Evyxed There you go :)
Should’ve just left it. Dragonbreak
I don't think I agree. During a Dragonbreak, the man forges the sword, but is too late to save his son. The father is broken, having a clear memory of holding his son's dead body, but his son is alive. His son however, is utterly confused, because he clearly remembers his father brandish a sword against the wolf and killing it. At least that's how I understand them.
What I make of them so far is that when time is fixed, people from different timelines are merged into a new timeline. So you have the father from timeline A who lost his son, and his son from timeline B who was saved into the new post-Dragobreak timeline C.
So I've been a long time fan, but a few months ago I stopped watching your vids (not out of any ill-feeling, I just sort of stopped watching Elder Scrolls content for a while) but the past couple of days I've been watching your latest videos and, I don't know what happened, but I have to say the quality has noticeably increased! Not just the editing, but the writing and delivery have been outstanding! I always thought highly of your videos and the effort you put into them, but the latest ones have blown me. Away.
I don't really find Dragonbreaks very confusing
Well it is confusing though, as they are a paradox. If you just accept the final outcome - some form of "unified" resolution for the dragonbreak - and don't question whether it is possible for such a thing to exist, then it isn't confusing at all.
If you do question it... well you'll always find that it is utterly impossible for any of that to happen, since it's a paradox.
It's the same as:
The sentence below is false.
The sentence above is true.
Same
Luís F Well its really paradoxical, a dragon break can summed up quite easily, something catastrophic causes it, time breaks and divergences occur, each time line has its own course and outcomes, and finally where to time lines "meet up" again, its simply a fix for a plot hole or broken lore. But I do see what you're saying m, and if someone was to question whether or not its possible then yeah, it can get confusing. But its established it is possible, and the steps are all there.
I’m probably just too stupid to understand but that seemed really nerdy to me
DirtyAether because you’ve never been on one
Dude! You're back! I missed your channel, glad you undeleted it.
If all of time's branches are consolidated and are all equally real, then what happens to an individuals property? Say in one timeline somebody slays a great beast and gains wealth beyond imagine. If in another timeline the same person chooses not to become a hero and instead live like a farmer, what happens when time is consolidated? What would happen to all of his riches or lack thereof? Although I understand through elder scrolls lore that the persons memory would be hazy, the fact is that the current situation that person is in would validate the timeline that occurred. If he was rich after the dragonbreak, then him being a great hero would be the "realer" time branch. The problem with this is that ALL timelines should have ALL occurred, which is impossible due to the physical world after the dragonbreak. In essence, the concept of dragonbreaks is Bethesda's odd way of validating an individuals choices in their RPG series. Although the idea is awesome, dissecting what a dragonbreak really is uncovers its impossibilty.
I think the answer is that, in order for the timelines to be consolidated again, some other events have to occur to bring all of them back to having the same final outcome.
So in one timeline, that person becomes a hero and gains wealth, but maybe his grandson loses most of that money gambling. In the other timeline, he never gains the wealth at all, but his grandson works hard all his life and is able to save up a decent amount of money.
So the different timelines might take different paths to get there, but in order to be consolidated again, they all have to end up in more or less the same place.
He becomes an adventurer and gains all this wealth and retires to a peaceful life on his farm. Or he goes into farming and is very successful, gaining wealth that way. Both end with him wealthy on a farm.
Let's say I buy an apple from a merchant, but there's a dragon break so in one reality I don't buy the apple. When the timelines merge again, both I and the merchant have the apple. The exact same apple.
Ricardo Panganiban not really, once the timelines merge together forming one single timeline all of the timelines respective history is true and it can’t really be said what happened in the new timeline since it’s essentially a newly created universe with the history/past of several other universes. Therefore all of the events during the time break happened in the timelines and then when they merged together to form a new timeline, the newly created timeline that was not affected by the timebreak has the history of ALL the timelines but since those events happened before the timebreak ended it didn’t actually happen in the new timeline.
This video was extremely well made. I’m willing to say that it might be your best video. Great job fudgemuppets! And thank you for bringing this concept to life
So...it’s multimandellaverse effect? Neat!
awesome! I think it's a very clever, interesting and lore friendly way to deal with the usual multiple-timeline problem that some games have
For comic book fans out there, imagine New Earth's creation during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. A Dragon Break is a bit like that.
So....
Dragonbreaks are essentially lore-writers saying "Sometimes, it doesn't just work."
My favorite example of this is during the DB mission where you assassinate the emperor. Well during that mission there is a hidden assassin also on board.
So whether or not the Player joins the DB or not, or kills the emperor or not, people in the future will remember that the emperor was assassinated. Some will say it was the DB, others might say the DB did it, or some unknown adversary.
It's mostly just a form of retcon. But It's interesting how they made it part of the wider picture of the world of The Elder Scrolls.
Terrible kirkbride writing. I can see why bethesda let him go.
Also, the Imperial Mananauts and the whole Space thing is just awesome. I know most of it is from Kirkbride after he left, but the Sword Meetings are just the best, not counting the Aldudagga.
Jed Daniels they are, whew! Where are you Captain Kirk?! 😅
In response to the idea that killing Alduin makes a dragonbreak, I had a big brain moment watching you guys a few months back, it isn't the /death/ of Alduin, but rather the shout that he uses when he lands at Helgen that breaks time. That way, everything you do after leaving there is canonical!
I think of the dragon breaks like an atomic super-position, or infinite improbability drive or quantum computer or Shrodinger's cat. If you have the power to break time with a Numidium you should have the power to "choose" the outcome with the Numidium.
I’ve never once played these games but these videos have been interesting to me.
Each time a dragon break is mentioned in your other videos I’m like “wtf is that?” and I continue to not look it up.
I’m finally looking it up.
To me Dragonbreaks are an incredibly creative concept and the peak of high fantasy. When used creatively and to enhance the story it is a great writing tool but when used lazily as a get out of jail free card it's disappointing and an insult to the dedication of the people who first came up with it.
An example of good writing would be The Warp in the West/ Miracle of Peace where every single side received the Numidium and achieved their goals.
An example of lazy writing with a Dragonbreak would be using it to justify why there are no jungle in Cyrodiil (just say it was cut down or burned down, you don't have to say "Oh there was both a jungle and not a jungle in Cyrodiil there just isn't one there now...")
Cyrodiil is big, I don't get why it wouldn't have been easier for there to only be jungle in the south east, if they didn't want the whole place to be jungle because it would ruin the more traditional fantasy setting they were going for or something.
It was Talos who did something to the jungle, not dragonbreak.
If i remember right when Talos became a god he decided that the jungle is bad for the Nord and simply fucked it out of time. I guess Akatosh said "THE FUCK" or something like this when Talos decided to fuck with the concept of times what is Akatoshs job
@@TalesStahl he did it before he became a God.
He did it after the conquest of Tamriel
Clearest explanation of a difficult subject. Love your work.
I dont care how many times you explain I will never understand the warp in the west
Git gud TES lore n00b 😂
SEXYBEAST!!! What don’t u understand? A single timeline become 16 timelines with different outcomes for TES:2 which all happened, then the 16 timelines merge to become 1 timeline again in which all the previous endings from the 16 timelines all happened in the new single timeline.
It's difficult for our minds to understand and nearly impossible for the people of Tamriel. A change in the structure of time itself, causing all possible outcomes of a situation to be true at the same time.
They call it "The Miracle of Peace".
Thank you! Now I understand how King Crimson works!
Pretty sure the godhead is the most confusing part of the lore.
Matt J The godhead is simply more meta admittance in my opnion. The dream is the story and games, and Kim is a video game character being allowed to realize he's only a character. That's just my opnion though.
The world of TES is a dream. If the godhead wakes up, existence ends. The godhead isn't canon however.
I think the godhead is canon as of the Dragonborn dlc. In the black book, Waking Dreams, Hermaeus Mora outright uses the word in what reads like a description of achieving CHIM.
"The eyes, once bleached by falling stars of utmost revelation, will forever see the faint insight drawn by the overwhelming question, as only the True Enquiry shapes the edge of thought. The rest is vulgar fiction, attempts to impose order on the consensus mantlings of an uncaring godhead."
Speculation here: Reading it ingame gives you the ability to re-spec your stats, rewriting history for your character in an act of asserting your vulgar fiction as truth to the godhead. I think that forbidden knowledge of the nature of existence is purposefully given to the LDB by Hermaeus Mora so they can edit history to make themselves a stronger champion than Miraak.
@@Alice0x very nice dude!
Think of it like this. Auriel/Akatosh ordered time to work like a clock. An ordered progression of instances where each tick comes one after another. During a dragon break, time works like an hourglass, the particles of sand do not always fall in the same order. If each particle is an instance, each flip of the hourglass is a different timeline. Imagining this is easy, but now imagine that the instances described by each particle contradict the order at which they fell, or they contradict the other flips of the hourglass. This was the dawn era, before Akatosh. This is also a dragon break. The most important part of this assessment of time is the observation that no matter what, the endings are at the same place in time: the sand at the top of the hourglass is at the bottom of the hourglass.
Well, a dragon break reminds me of parallel universe theory..."The Universe" explained it like this, you walk a straight path until you come to a junction in the road, each with their own set of consequences, in one universe, you turn right, in the other left. Both are true, both happened. In Breath of the Wild as well, all 3 timelines are true, in all 3, each ends with BOTW, where time "fixed itself" not EXACTLY convergence, but similar? The multiverse theory is amazing, and here is a tidbit if it helps, that was done earlier this year. ruclips.net/video/lVvcOQk6G0Q/видео.html
This could explain why many major events can change from player to player. Maybe each time you make a new game you create a new timeline within the dragonbreak
So if my dad ran away during a dragon break is he still here??
No.
This is the most creative way to handle major retcons I've encountered. Interesting stuff.
So basically the elder scrolls equivalent to the multiverse theory
Payton Butler Yep
Computer Assisted Biologically Augmented Lifeform then why are people so confused
Not really, these breaks are temporary and always reform. More like rocks in a stream than different streams.
Morrowind was my first TeS game (I was like 12 when it released) but only now am I getting truly deep in the lore, it occurred to me after playing ESO and oh boi.... it's nuts. Thanks for putting it all together.
basically string theory becomes rope theory lol
I like to think of them as saves. You make a save, and can load back to it and make different decisions to create an alternate route/ timeline. Perhaps even a universe? -Jack
My character in Morrowind destroys the world with his form alone, but even a single spell can make a whole city into a void (My game crashes and my character is responsible because of his spell / enchantment casting, and because of his enchanted body) that nothing could survive in. Ebonheart, Vivec, Sadrith Mora, all fell to my character just because he would do a Darth Nihilus on them. (I don't even know, I just wanted to make a Darth Nihilus comparison to my ayleid wraith character. Who is essentially just a bosmer born under the Atronach sign.) -Jack
Perhaps there is a time line where CD Prokekt Red made TES, or one where TES 6 comes out early.
Yeahhhhh. About that
@@tedwooter sadly you are 2 years too late
Camel shaved his mustache was that a dragon break
Holy shit you just said some people claimed Cyrodiil conquered the stars? Didn’t Bethesda say that Starfield was going to somehow impossibly connect to The Elder Scrolls universe AND Fallout? Is Starfield the future of the Cyrodiilic empire’s space colony or is this another dragon break irl?
Half-Scrolls confirmed.
A nice way to think of it is as timelines as threads, and Dragonbreaks as knots where each path is equally true for all of them, but they separate after that knot.
I believe you deleted a lore review channel about camels separated sentient hair memes but who am I to say
I've heard it suggested that the Dragon Breaks account for the multiple, contradictory, fates of Mannimarco. In Daggerfall, he's a lich. In Oblivion, he has a living body. In Skyrim, he's resurrected as a lich. During the Warp in the West, he also became the Necromancer's Moon, which is basically a form of godhood, if I understand it correctly. He's all these different things simultaneously, as if each timeline of the Dragon Break preserved its version of Mannimarco, essentially cloning him.
When did this become an elder scrolls channel? What happened to the meme reviews?
The single best use of an infographic I have ever seen. Bravo. Other creators should hire you to design them.
well i guess you could say that any and all elder scrolls games occur within a dragon break, otherwise itd be next to impossible for any one person, special circumstance or not, to join all the guilds since itd be highly contradictory to say that you joined all of the guilds, because who the hell would have the time to juggle all those responsibilities. and beyond that nobody in the actual game ever says anything about you being related to 2 or more guilds, ie: " hail sithis" is what the guards say to you sometimes when your in thd dark brotherhood, but at the same time when you join the Companions, they only ever talk about the companions, so on and so forth with the mages college and the thieves guild as well as the dawnguard or vampire lords
LOCKDOWN GAMING it would explain why we can do so much in all the other games, yet only certain actions and events are actually written into the next installment.
These pretzels Suck ass my alternate theory would be that if they say ut was only canon for the dragonborn to join the companions but the emperor was still assassinated and the College got a new Arch Mage etc etc, then it was simply someone within those groups who accomplished those tasks, rather than the dragonborn. however that still didnt make much sense, given what we do know is canon. however that being said, if all the elder scrolls games do indeed take place in a dragonbreak, then you could still potentially have the dragonborne not be in any group except the companions in reality, however during the dragonbreak, since you could possibly consider slaying alduin a metaphysical event, itll seem as if the dragonborn did indeed go and join all the groups simultaneously, and it could be the case that the people involved with those guilds believe you did in fact join that guild and therefore be completely unaware of his "prescence" in the other guilds. in fact they dont even have to have someone else complete those quests since could all just end up believing different versions of reality where the Dragonborn did join their guild. its sort of like how muppet said that the records of what happened during dragonbreaks could be completely different for each group when they come out into linear time again
LOCKDOWN GAMING if you look back to oblivion you'll understand how they make the guilds work. Someone joined the dark brotherhood and did the quest line but it wasn't the hero of kvatch. Same thing is likely going to be done in Skyrim. The dragonborn only did the main quest line and someone else joined the dark brotherhood and killed the emperor. It's fairly simple really.
Barrack Osama to be honest its all conjecture right now until they decide whats canon, for all we know they could decide that the dragonborn did indeed join a guild or two lol. and I know your going with past solutions, but that solution is going to make things way too easy and honestly it'd be a real copout for them to do the same thing all over again. And besides, what might seem simple for you and us with only the knowledge of canon lore from all released elder scrolls games, might not be as simple for game devs working on the next installment. for all we know, ES6 did occur in a dragonbreak, and we won't know exactly what happened until they tell us.
LOCKDOWN GAMING true enough but I seriously doubt they would suddenly have the dragonborn join any guilds. They haven't done it yet and it would make zero sense to do it now. Also looking to past games is the best and smartest way to go about it, it's not lazy or anything on their part it just makes sense.
Now I need an elder scrolls game set in that 1000 year dragon break where we meet the aliens of the elder scrolls universe and shit
666k subs = illuminati confirmed.
So there's a timeline where whitestrake talos alduin miraak the dragonborn and barbus go to war with meridia over shouting in their ears
666k subs! The evil of fudgemuppet confirmed
Aaron TheDirtyDog
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Maybe they’re partying with the Devil, bitch
Based on this info, a Dragonbreak is far more than simply a splitting of the timeline into new realities. It is a major disruption of the fabric of space and time, spawning multiple realities, and altering the flow of time. This is such a significantly powerful event that it can even effect both the Aedra and Daedra. That is scary.
666k subs ? O dear
This is awesome. This actually explains a lot.
Most confusing? Try the Aurbis, AMARANTH, Sotha Sil's multiverse or Sunbirds and Battlespires. Dragonbreaks are peanuts
>The first among these were Auri-El and Lorkhan who were both the birthed souls of Anui-El and Sithis respectively.
At last I truly see
You guys should do some videos on the ordinator perks, I would really like your guy’s opinion on them, because your videos on the vanilla perks helped me not waste a lot of perks.
As if Elder Scrolls themselves aren't a big enough plot device XD
i love this channel the commedy is so subtle
I like it when he says elder scrolls 6 will be in high rock...
Because it factually be in hammerfell.
So Dragonbreak is basically what happens in that RIck & Morty episode where exactly this happens.. yknow with the uncertain time.
Ahh dragon breaks.. excuses for bad writing. Gotta love em.
Hortator yep
i was about to write the same thing :)
Here's a question for you: What would good writing entail in this situation?
In a series of open-world games with multiple endings and customizable legendary hero characters, how do you resolve the lack of consistency when only one version of the previous game can be the basis of the timeline of the next game? How do you resolve the inherent contradictions without cutting out character creation and the ability for a player to affect the world around them? (essentially, the majority of RPG mechanics)
I think "excuses for bad writing" is a lazy critique. I understand where the sentiment comes from but I applaud Bethesda for at least trying to account for it within the game world, instead of simply picking one timeline and telling a vast majority of players that they played the previous game 'wrong'.
@Michael - There really is no sensible way to make a series of games with multiple endings that play off each other so its more a bad game design than bad writing imo. Use TV shows as a example, if every Star Trek episode ended with three different endings how the heck could you make that work so the audience was not completely lost and confused if they didn't get the ending the next week's show starts off from?
What if WoW had three different ending to Wrath of the Lich King where in one the Lich King conquered Azeroth while in another he saw the error of his ways and joined the Horde while in a third he remembered the love of his father and joined the Alliance? It would never work and saying magic broken time so lulz is creative writing to make up for a bad game design.
Sleepy .Time That's a better answer than bad writing. Still, I don't know if you can call it bad game design either if it's unavoidable. It sounds like the only "good" option is not to make a series of open world RPG games.
["We have a great idea for a new game, based on the extensive lore of our much-loved franchise but we can't make it because the branching choices of the previous game wouldn't make sense in the new timeline." -Todd Howard, during a Dragon Break]
The game design of each individual game can be judged on their own merits and I don't judge any of them to be particularly bad, personally, though I disagree with plenty of their choices. I can't come to the conclusion that Skyrim was a poorly designed game simply because it exists as part of a series.
So, yes, maybe freedom of choice (consequences, causality) is incompatible with the linear storytelling of an over-arcing game series, but I feel like we're better off that this problem was overlooked in favor of making more games. I also appreciate their attempt at trying to reconcile the conflict internally. For me, in a game full of magic and unexplained supernatural forces, this convoluted explanation fits right in.
"So, what actually happened? A or B or C?"
Akatosh: "YES"