Haha, while this is funny, I’ve always wondered if they considered it a “heart of a god”, but also simultaneously a tool to be used to further their endeavors of knowledge. They knew the gods existed, but they didn’t worship them as gods, but rather acknowledged that they simply were powerful beings; like a Mammoth is to a Moth. In the pursuit to be greater than a “mammoth”, the moths utilize the mammoth’s tusk to achieve greatness over the mammoth itself. The Heart of Lorkhan is merely a powerful tool to the Dwemer, not a god’s heart, but a powerful being’s heart.
@Orwell Jones Laeddis I've actually wanted to see an Elder Scrolls from Akavir or in the Merethic / Early First Era since Oblivion. I think it would be cool to have a Elder scrolls so far back in time nothing would be very recognizable.
My theory is the dwemer didn't cease to exist, nor wore the transported to another plane. I think the entire race was banished out of time like Alduin, and one day they will just pop back into existence. It could be a cool concept for a future game. Imagine out of nowhere steam rises from the mountains and the whirring of ancient machines can be heard echoing through valleys.
But thats not true? We don't need the theory's man we know what happened, kagronak used acursed tools to strike the heart of lorkan which instantly ascended all dwemer in nirns dimension into atherieas so they're just spirits now.
That would require an elder scroll id imagine and getting one and using it on the dwemer I’m sure would leave it’s mark in history, and it probably wouldn’t be a mystery
I just imagine that the gods intended on killing him someday, but it just kept getting lost in the bureaucratic shuffle until they basically sad "screw it, Alduin will get him eventually." Then TES V happens lol
Honestly this channel is keeping the passionate fire of Elder Scrolls alive today, and once Elder Scrolls VI comes out, I will be grateful for FudgeMuppet for keeping it alive for the fans
I feel like this channel is pushing Skyrim and Oblivion (and other games in the series) better than Todd Howard....Todd is pushing a living world into more new consoles and editions than is reasonable (given that they do not seem to be adding anything meaningful each time)....FudgeMuppet is carrying the lore of all the games into a timeless stage as a true scholar and story teller.
@@miniespeon158 well, thats optional, the decision of a game dev isnt, when Todd sayes its gonna have 16.5 times the detail and rainbow farting zebras, we wount be able to do much about it, skyrim is a good game, but lets all face facts, most people got it for the mod potential, the quest writing is half-assed, bugs liter the game ( distance rendering throws characters into the stratosphere, dragons fly backwards, rain falls inside etc. ) the lore is represented poorly and fumbles around the place which is represented in the quest writing, it all feels so unfinished, hollow, like something is missing here, best described in the collage of winterhold questline, you can literaly be a no magic warior that knows only one spell and sudenly you’re the damn archmage, same with the companions, and dont get me started on the thiefs guild, you are literaly forced into if you new to the game and dont know where esbern is, not much roleplaying there realy, where’s the option to scream at brynjolf that you have no interest joining and that if he doesnt want his head cleaved in two he better spill the info ... or a persuation of gold maybe, no, join to get the info and then sell your soul to another deadra latter ... the wizads at winterhold are similar in that regard, when you go off searching for the dragon elder scroll you have to find septimus sigmus, problem is you need to speak with the collage librarian to find out, ( I think he wount spawn in the frostcave untill you speak with the librarian ) so yeah, you roleplay as a no-magick axe warior ? Congratulations, you are now the archmage 😂 a rank that should be reserved for Master level mages ... whatever, hopefully most people get what I’m going for here, its all so forced, simple and undeserved, all of it
You know what might have been a fun conversation? Yagrum Bagarn meeting Knight-Paladin Gelebor. Since we can hardly compare what the Falmer once were to the Falmer we have now, Gelebor basically is the last of the Snow Elves. And since the Snow Elves were betrayed by the Dwarves, who poisoned and enslaved them to make them lose their sight, I can imagine how cold the conversation would be, and I would love to hear it.
Well, that happens only if Yagrum Bagarn would've left red mountain to meet Gelebor himslef, Gelebor would never abandon his mission, but that can't happen anymore because we don't know about Yagrum Bagarn's fate because of the red day.
I think this is actually something that's done in real life and is shown to help victims gain closure and perpetrators come to terms with the wrong doing they've done.
I feel like they would hate one another but wouldn't try to kill each other either with both of them having the understanding that they're the last of their kind
@@Slenderslayer351 Assuming that the eruption of Red Mountain or the Argonian invasion didn't kill Yagrum Bagarm, then he is still alive. Corprus disease renders it's victims biologically immortal. He had already wandered in that state for hundreds, possibly thousands, of years before he was found by Deviath Fyr and partially treated.
@@Slenderslayer351 Slim, but yes. A chance. I doubt Deviath Fyr allowed himself or his prized patient die so easily. If Master Neloth of Sadrith Mora survived, I have little doubt Deviath Fyr and Yagrum Bagarm survived.
@@archades115 true, neloth may be a boss, but divayth is something else entirely. full daedric in Morrowind lmao I remember being scared of him as a kid watching my mom play
This makes me think that if Yagrum hadn't lost use of his lower half he could have attempted to bring his people back by reproducing many half Dwarf children.
@@swilson5320 I think its just racial appearance is from the mother, the rest is from the father. So his kids could still retain Dwarven capabilities just with another mer appearance.
@@swilson5320 The Bretons were interbred with elves for many generations. Male elf + female Nede, then male elf + female hybrid/Breton, then male elf + female hybrid/Breton, etc. etc... Still, they look like humans with only some (lore, not in-game) lightly elven appearance sometimes.
Falion, the Master Conjurer in Skyrim, flat out mentions that he's encountered Dwemer while traveling the Oblivion Planes. "I know many things. I have studied things beyond the reach of most humans, traveled the Oblivion planes, seen things one should not see. *I have met Daedra and Dwemer* and everything in between and I know enough to see a vampire where others would see a man." Did Yagrum Bagarn avoid the eruption of Red Mountain by escaping to the Daedric Planes? Or was it another Dwemer that Falion met?
What if the event of red mountain warped all of the dwemer into the oblivion planes? As a sort of punishment, with no way to return to the mortal realms? I'd imagine that if they were removed from their technology, the oblivion planes would not be an ideal place for them to survive, perhaps some still out there, but that could be a fitting way to explain their disaster.
I really hope he shows up in ESO. It's kind of my dream to see a proper Dwemer themed expansion - not one that reveals massive secrets, but definitely one where Bagarn is intimately involved. Imagine encountering him during his prime, just before contracting "the Divine disease." Would be great to see.
It bothers me how little this character features in the lore. He's THE primary resource about the Dwemer and its technology and culture but he just sort of never gets discussed in the lore.
@MapleLeafAce He was exploring the outer realms during the Battle of Red Mountain, and he was in Morrowind in the 3rd era. There isn't any information where he was during the 2nd era. Also, the outer realms sounds like Oblivion.
If he is still alive during the time of the Dragonborn, and the DB has completed the quest in Winterhold to help the wizard replicate the Dwemer’s disappearance, what if the DB went to Yagram and gave him the details of the experiment.
I have a buddy who plays the 'same character' for all the Elder Scrolls games, so his Daggerfall character is also the Dragonborn reincarnation of Indoril Nerevar who fought along side Martin in the Imperial City as the Champion of Cyrodiil. I'll have to ask him what he thinks about the idea you posed.
@@Slenderslayer351 true but I was thinking more along the lines of if Yagram was still around, he’d like at least a hint as to what the fuck happened and since the experiment was just replicated, the smart dwemer cunt could use that.
In my headcanon I like the idea that the Dwemer did in fact achieve divinity, thereby leaving their physical bodies behind without any more need for a presence in Mundus. Instead existing as mere souls in a different level of reality, much like the Et'Ada before Lorkhan's plan. I like this mostly because it works with what I think was some of Kirkbride's *cough* 'influences'. People high on DMT saying they 'break through the veil' of reality describe beings of energy often referred to as 'clockwork elves' who have insane amounts of knowledge and technology to share. I like the idea that that's how the Dwemer ended up. That they are the clockwork elves existing within this divine realm beyond reality as mere beings of energy/ souls.
God I'd feel so bad for Yagrum if thats true :( No matter the truth, whether it be his people are flourishing after reaching chim or erased from existence as we know it, he has to live an awful existence
But at the same time, fates in TES are usually cruel and horrifying. If the Dwemer didn't cease to be all together, they probably ended up in some eternal cycle of torture. I could imagine them being forced to live in a world with infinite knowledge and power, but without a way catch and hold on to any of it. They would have manage to ascend to a godly realm, but they weren't gods, simply prisoners to their own greed and cruelty. The Dwemer would become enslaved like they had done to the Falmer, and that was their punishment for trying to get achieve divinity through such heretical means. But I'm mostly likely wrong.
I like tp to theorize that Yagrum was actually in the Outer Realms exactly because Kagrenac was working on Lorkhans Heart, that he was there to observe if the Tools could stretch that extra note to the Outer Realms, to influence beyond Mundus as an Outside Observer.
Fervently agreed 😂 Been enduring over a year of minimizing social interactions to as little as possible and being hammered by constant anxiety, the sheer relief lore videos like these give me honestly kinda floors me. Hang in there, friend!! 🤗💖
Divayth Fyr is the real story... 4000 years old he was born as a Chimer, demi god like powers... he's more than a telvanni wizard, no one truly knows what he is
I feel for Yagrum, being the last of your race must be soul-crushingly lonely. Sure you can still talk to other races and socialize, but it can never replace one's own people or the values that they hold.
@@sheogorathprinceofmadness2223 really? I didn't realize that would be the vibe my words gave off. I was going for being the very last of ones species, rather than being being the last of a specific ethnicity. Being the last of ones entire species I just feel would be ALOT more soul-crushing than the more petty versions of being the last of ones own kind. Which is why I feel sympathy for Yagrum, being being stuck in that level of isolation must be a horror unto itself.
This video made me realize something. Falion says he spoke with dwemer. However it’s never stated that these dwemer were in the Daedra realms due too what happened at red mountain. They could have just created their own plain like the ideal masters and just escaped extinction because of it.
@@justinfourie3422 It’s something Falion says in Skyrim. The Redguard who cures vampirism. I don’t remember the exact dialogue path to get him to say it. And this is just a theory made after listening to the video. Originally I just thought maybe the dwemmer got transported there by a prince. But what was stopping hyper advanced people from creating a Daedra realm like the ideal masters?
I've never been early for a FudgeMuppet video and by god it had to happen when covering my favourite character from Morrowind - I have spent 19 years thinking about that dude
TES lore is wild man. Like, imagine if the second Armstrong stepped on the moon, every American in existence vanished. Or the second Watson answered the phone from Graham-Bell, every person in the UK vanished. Wild shit.
@@piedpiper1172 If you need drugs to have fun you must be bland and boring as hell with no personality. The best thing about people doing drugs is me taking advantage of them while they on something.
It’s hard to describe in words how much this channel mean to me. No matter what I’m going through in life, I know I can go to a Fudgemuppet video and feel at home. Like I’m 12 again playing Skyrim for the first time. I truly appreciate you guys’ content and can never wait for a new episode. Much love guys!
I don't want them to ever dispel the mystery entirely, but knowing more about their fall, or perhaps finding others who managed to escape that fate would be really cool.
I think they're probably in another realm somewhere, probably a plane of oblivion. Given that this is what happened to that dude in the college of winterhold who we can help replicate what the dwemer did.
Don't forget about the time he sung Tonal Eclipse of the Heart with Divayth Fyr Edit: Here's the beautiful vid for reference ruclips.net/video/Lxmbfvycbv0/видео.html
@Wizzy Snahkay oh you have no idea. I just decided to turn off the subtitles off completely for whenever a name comes up I read it as a different thing but hear it as another. The elvish, argonian and khajiit names sre a nightmare.
I've always loved the narrative documentary style content that this video is made with. It always helps feel the immersion that is boosted even greater with the awesome cinematic shots.
He's not entirely alone. There were the ghosts of the Dwemer in many of the ruins, to include Radac Stungnthumz. Ghosts aren't precisely part of the race, but it raises the question why there are not more ghosts.....
I recently started playing Morrowind and I absolutely love it the amount of lore and just over all attention to detail is incredible for a game so old.
Morrowind is my personal favorite game because it strikes the perfect balance of gameplay and world building in my opinion. It single handedly inspired me to make games. I hope you have a lot of fun playing it! Remember to take your time and enjoy the journey-it's not a game made to be sped through.
At some point in eso i remember hearing the creation myth of the Khajits saying that Azura was beside as Lorkkan was born and that always stuck in head. I always imagined her being big sister to lorkhan so when you said Azura could have punished the dwemer I gasped as Id never considered that at all. So interesting.
It's an interesting idea and she has changed an entire race before. That said I very much doubt that would mean the end of the Dwemer entirely, cause that would mean other divines could have simply snapped mortals out of the picture when they were in the way. If this was her doing, they are still around, question is where, when or how?
I do like the idea the Dwarves are like Icarus and get punished for their hubris in thinking the can approach godhood. However, I doubt someone has vain as Azura could punish the race without taking some credit.
Has anyone else ever wondered how the chimer waged a war against the dwemer and didn’t just get completely stomped on by legions of automata and advanced Magic’s and technologies that no other race has come close to thousands of years later?
@@erikburzinski8248 The Chimer couldn't beat the Thu'um using Nords without the Dwemer, so they weren't that powerful. I think the Dwemer magic is overrated. A big glaring limitation is that the automatons can't operate far from the Dwemer ruins. Outside the automatons, the Dwemer seem to lack a warrior culture that produces great soldiers or heroes. It unsurprising they couldn't even defeat the Falmer.
"The Dwemer absolutely had to go. How else could we justify everything still being medieval fantasy after thousands of years?" Xelzaz, Lawman of House Telvanni, Loredas, 1st of Rain's Hand, 4th Era, Year 201
You missed the Nerevarine, who after contracting corpus (which makes you immortal) just like Yagrum did, that's why he was immortal, wen't to Divayth Fyr to be cured, Divayth could remove most of the symptoms, but not cure the disease, immortality is one symptom he kept, after the Nerevarine completed his journey in Morrowind he left Tamriel and went to Akavir, as far as canon is concerned he is still there, he also has a deeper immortality, because most beings that do not age (one form of immortality) can still be slain, and so can the Nerevarine, however most do not have a deity on their side, Azura was the one who told Vivec, Sotha Sil, and Almalexia, Indoril would be reborn by her will, and wreak her vengeance upon them for disobeying Indoril and her, by abusing the power of the Heart of Lorkan after Indoril was slain in the battle of Red Mountain, to which Sotha Sill famously responded "The old gods are cruel and arbitrary, and distant from the hopes and fears of mer. Your age is past. We are the new gods, born of the flesh, and wise and caring of the needs of our people. Spare us your threats and chiding, inconstant spirit. We are bold and fresh, and will not fear you." Azura then cursed the Chimer, (who are what they became when they left the Altmer) into the Dunmer, skin of ash, eyes of fire, Indoril Nerevar is Azuras personal champion, and if you slay him, she will bring him back every time.
1) your forgetting the neraverine fulfilled azura's prophecy in morrowind.. There is no reason for azura to resurrect indoril neravar in the body of a new neraverine, should the current one die. 2) "the neraverine" is a bit of a catch 22 when it comes to identity. "The neraverine's" is more apt, as each one is a unique individual, who also houses the additional spirit of indoral neravar. So no, our neraverine, even IF azura decided "screw it lets just keep making new ones" wouldnt be reincarnated.. Indoril Neravar would be, but in the body of a totally new neraverine. 3) corprus, grants immortality by causes disease and decay.. Even with the negatives staved off as long as possible..the neraverine will ultimately, end up like yagrum over time without a straight up cure.. Hell and that cure could buried under an erupted red mountain for all we know.. In short...."If he dies, he dies..."
@@danielhogan6255 I disagree, just because that prophecy is fulfilled doesn't mean anything, she is a deity and she can do what she wants, she doesn't magically lose the ability to resurrect him because the prophecy has been fulfilled. Second it is completely irrelevant if his personality is different because it's still his soul, that is the definition of reincarnation, the recycling of a soul, and finally I read those events completely differently, Divayth said he completely removed the other Corpus symptoms, not gave him something to treat it. In the game The Nerevarine is looking for a cure and Divayth tries to cure him completely and fails, to which the Nerevarine asks for answers and Divayth explains that he was only able to cure some symptoms of the corpus, like the rotting flesh and madness. So no, those symptoms are gone forever, not dormant.
Death is always an interesting subject; Like (Heavily Tangential) Vampires and so forth, if become a demon or so be rids you of your soul, you may live forever, but you have no place to go in the end… In the end those Immortal by Darker Paths are the finite ones!
That's why necromancy is the best path, your soul ends up safe in a vessel, far from your corporeal form, that it could be used to synthesize or possess a new body in the case of the failure of the original. Keep it secret, keep it safe.
@@freewilly1193 indeed, I’ve always found that fascinating, to become so powerful magically you can find and/or build a better form to take! But still not necessarily need it!
I believe that what the dark elf's comment about it being a divine gift or curse means it has its roots in Lorkhan. When they mettle with the heart of their known universe then it could have many after effects not just erasing the dwarves but changing reality like a dragon break to include the "disease" curse of a twisted divinity since it was also what brought about the prophecy being true about the Nervarine.
It is my therory that the dwemer race all had to die to make Yagrum Bagarn immortal. Vivec and the other two of the tribunal used the tools of Kagrenac to become God's. However they chose to do it in an effort to make the lives of their people better, thus acting more like Aedra deities. This consumed the tribunal's mortal forms, reforming them into immortal God's. Vivec stated himself that once he touched the heart of Lorkhan, Vehk ceased to exist and Vivec was born. Kagrenac used the tools in an effort to become a God, but not necessarily to make anyone's life better, but more for scientific achievement and ambition. Thus he acted more like a Daedra and rather than consuming his mortal form, it consumed his people conferring powers upon Yagrum Bagarn. I personally think Kagrenac is Yagrum Bagarn, but he remembers his life as a third party observer due to his issues with memory and due to the process of imperfect ascension to God-hood. Vivec when referring to his former life, refers to it as someone else, stating he is not responsible for the mistakes of Vehk, because they are separate beings. I think the distinction between intent is important, the tribunal acting more like Aedra and Kagrenac acting more like a Daedra. The daedra all require souls to maintain immortality. Hence why they make deals with mortals in exchange for their souls. I think they maintain much of their mortal imperfect selves, hence why they are selfish and often acting in evil ways. The Aedra I believe can persist off of worship alone, because they sacrificed everything mortal about themselves (hopes, desires, dislikes, etc) to attain God hood. Thus the Aedra are more perfect Immortals, and the Daedra are imperfect. Just as how the Tribunal using the same methods as Kagrenac, became perfect Immortals, while Yagrum Bagarn became an imperfect immortal that required the souls of his people
For the record: this video says the dwemer all died except yaggy baggy, which is at best a vast oversimplification. We have no idea what happened to them
It's odd that he was the "only" one outside of Mundus. It's hard to believe to be honest. There might be groups of Dwemer people outside of Mundus and who refuse to return for some reason or another.
Its pretty cut n dry, we do have the answer and have had it since ES3 Morrowind. If you actually take on the quest from the Archmage, you get an answer if you do things right. As a Telvanni you have the option to talk to Balas Devenanni, and if you have three books, Hanging Gardens, Egg of Time and Divine Metaphysics...Yagrum gives you a vague explanation which is enough to complete the quest but talking to Balas, he expands on exactly what the books say. Pretty much Divine Metaphysics says theres a tonal pattern they can draw from the heart using specificly crafted tools that will bound himself and his race to the heart. The Egg of Time explains this theory but also warned of what could/would happen if Kagrenak made mistakes in sundering the wrong tones. Given what we know, that they all disappeared its obvious Kagrenak made the wrong tone... however what isnt explained by either character is what Vivec tells us. Vivec says (believe him or don't but in this case I do believe him) that despite having fought them in the war of the First Council and having to have met many, he admitted he has no sense of them inside or outside time. Thats key, and plays into the book the Egg of Time...which argues what happens when you make the wrong tone. I dont think its a coincidence they both refrence time, and the conclusion to the Disappearance of the Dwarves quest confirms that Kagrenak made a wrong tone, and that tone displaced his species not just from Nirn, but from time itself. Kind of like what happened with Alduin and the Elder Scroll...which is also a form of tonal magic. The truth is, Kagrenak was attempting to alter a tone that would extend time to his and only his people, effectively making them immortal. However he was forced to act quickly and the tone produced upon his people didnt extend their time, it extened them through time... which means one day they should reappear. Unless he really messed up and displaced them both forward and backward in time...that could exain why when Arniel tries to replicate this it turns him into a shade. That too is a tonal production mistake. Its a complicated form of magic, like shouting...and has its own special set of rules and laws.
i have felt that the dwenmer would make for an awesome enemy in a future TES game. imagine a huge army of dwarves and machines invading through portals and attacking cyrodiil. final battle could be basically a giant mech battle, with the player character piloting a numedian type mech vs a new dwemer one piloted by dumac or kagrenac. you could still have the mystery about where they went and why. as well as the new mystery of why they have returned and attacked. it'd give bethesda an excuse for adding in new tech, new dwemer bots to go along with spheres, spiders and centurions. after they are defeated they could retreat back trough the portals. thus leaving the possibility of them returning again in the future.
Yagrum Bagarns outside realm is the earth realm of Fallout's universe millenia before the events of fallout happen, he discovered it and was enamored by how the inhabitants thrived in a world without gods or magic. Before the Dwemer were vanished Bagarn would pass on dwemer technology and science on to ancient humans and was worshipped as a god. The artifacts of these empires are discovered by Lorenzo Cabot in the 19th century.
Thanks for uploading this Fudgemuppet. I was looking for videos on the mer himself and was surprised at the relative dearth of content discussing him specifically, versus only as a small piece of the greater mystery of the Deep Folk. Again thank you
Well, you are so devoted to the Elder Scrolls universe, that I believe Bethesda should immortalize you in one of their next games. They should portrait you as three brother mages of vast knowledge, but a little crazy with their theories. Fudge, Muppet and Fuppet, three mages eager to learn all the secrets of Nirn. Travelling around the world, exploring ancient ruins, ancient scrolls, looking for dead and forgotten civilization, even in the deep sea... Looking for knowledge forever. Three mages on the edge of achieving CHIM.
Hell yeah man new content. Hey I just wanted to say I really enjoy your work. You and anyone else who works with you do a great job and I for one sure appreciate it.
I always felt sorry for the poor guy. Yagrum Bagarn was always such a tragic character to me. And the only way I could help him was to kill him. It seemed like a mercy. I did the same thing for that sorrowful woman in Seyda Neen in her quest to find her husband, and we find him dead. I read that book she had in her home about a Khajiit and their lover who weren't accepted as being together. That made up my mind to kill her and then place the ring on her body as a sign that she should be together with him in the afterlife. It was the only way I could reconcile that fate bestowed upon them. And it was the only way I could live with myself as a character.
Yagrum is too fascinating a character to be forgotten. The single living survivor of a race of Mer long thought extinct. Even the Snow Elves have their descendants in the falmer goblins, whom Gelebor admits are becoming more intelligent with every passing year, so there’s hope that maybe millennia from now they might regain a fraction of their former selves. But Yagrum doesn’t even have shadows. I truly hope he makes a comeback in future games, assuming the eruption at Red Mountain didn’t finish him off first. 😞
hot damn, view number 11! Crazy theory time: Yagrum Bagarn was in Apocrypha and let slip to Hermaeus Mora what Kagrenac was working on, ol' herma mora is intrigued but also annoyed at the hubris of dwarves and decides to step in, he goes to Kagrenac and offers him "secret knowledge" which Kagrenac jumps at. Now, of course, it does work... all the Dwemer are stripped of their corporeality but instead of making them immortal, they were absorbed by Hermaeus Mora to feed his insatiable lust for knowledge. He allowed Yagrum to return to Tamriel, but with his mind and body shattered, in case he would seek revenge... it could also work with Clavivcus Vile, Bagran makes a deal for "immortality" but it cost him the lives of all of the dwarves!
The theory is really interesting and I like it, but Bagarn's immortality and disabled state are clearly caused by corprus, originating from Dagot Ur, not Herma Mora.
If any divine could simply erase an entire race, they would have for other reasons. Plenty daedric plots fallen apart do to mortal actions, they would have made sure that could not be the case, if they had such power.
That would be the kind of thing that hermaeus mora will flex if he did really do it. And since the dwemer considered themself at least equal to deities, I do 't really see one of them go after a daedric prince to ask for knowledge. Knowledge were all for the dwemer, but it wasn' t any kind of knowledge, it was their knowledge in particular, the knowledge they finded and built themself
@@James-nf9pd Well, you're right, my mistake. But now that I think about it, he knew that Alduin was consumed by the time wound and would reappear later in time.
The dragons were also just hunted to near extinction, many still terrorizing the lands up in historic times. Tiber Septm's loyal soldier Nafaalilargus for one lived almost into the 3th era. Still some lived in solitude and in hiding. Though it seems unlikely that Paarthunax had contact with those ones, he must have known he was not alone throughout the 3th era.
I think that if it was Azura, who stands behind the disappearance of the dwemer race, people all over Tamriel would have known that already. She is increadibly vain after all.
possibly, but azura also says that things weigh on gods forever, so her not bringing up the dwemer could be her trying not to think about things she despises.
So based on the rose in the box example, could we say that although the gods in elder scrolls are all powerful and all knowing, they still cannot know what they don't know they don't know? Similarly, would that be how Nocturnal would allow the skeleton key to be stolen from her? You can't know if something's missing if you don't know to check if it's missing. When asked which box holds the rose, Azura knows which box because she's all knowing, therefore she can tell which box contains a rose, however she doesn't know that she doesn't know if there will even be a rose in the box when it's opened. In other words it's impossible to know an answer to a question that you didn't know you needed to ask. For the gods there are no know unknowns, however there are unknown unknowns.
If one race is tenacious and clever enough to come back, it is the dwemer. Their fate being a cruel and mysterious one add some flavor to the lore, like a Icarus of old, flying too close to the sun and crashing down. But I still believe they will be back. Perhaps not all of them, but some will find a way.
I really want little bits and pieces to find throughout the new TES, i dont want this mystery to be solved like a call of duty ee but more like a extended intellectual brain twist that only could be solved by the smartest
the words "brain twist" would lead me to believe you would not personally solve it, watch videos on it, then feign deep understanding of the subject online.
@@danielhogan6255 Thanks for questioning my intellect on a 3 year old comment! Since you are assuming things, I’m going to say you are projecting your own feelings onto someone else!
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Yagrum checks his Xbox 360 friends list:
Entire Dwemer Race
Last online: 3 eras ago
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this is a mood
Sad dwemer noises*
@@dumpster9048 yes
Wiz Khalifa starts playing in the background
"We are a pious people, nothing will stray us from the path of knowledge.
"Sir we found the heart of a dead god"
"Hfjfhfhfhf"
Haha, while this is funny, I’ve always wondered if they considered it a “heart of a god”, but also simultaneously a tool to be used to further their endeavors of knowledge. They knew the gods existed, but they didn’t worship them as gods, but rather acknowledged that they simply were powerful beings; like a Mammoth is to a Moth. In the pursuit to be greater than a “mammoth”, the moths utilize the mammoth’s tusk to achieve greatness over the mammoth itself. The Heart of Lorkhan is merely a powerful tool to the Dwemer, not a god’s heart, but a powerful being’s heart.
In The Elder Scrolls, the Aedra and Daedra are facts. The Dwemer just didn't give a fuck 😂
@@sapien377 Pretty much they saw themselves as equals so there were no "gods"
@Orwell Jones Laeddis I've actually wanted to see an Elder Scrolls from Akavir or in the Merethic / Early First Era since Oblivion. I think it would be cool to have a Elder scrolls so far back in time nothing would be very recognizable.
@Orwell Jones Laeddis we literally have no idea what bethesda is up to and what they have planned for TES6, chile.
My theory is the dwemer didn't cease to exist, nor wore the transported to another plane. I think the entire race was banished out of time like Alduin, and one day they will just pop back into existence. It could be a cool concept for a future game. Imagine out of nowhere steam rises from the mountains and the whirring of ancient machines can be heard echoing through valleys.
But thats not true? We don't need the theory's man we know what happened, kagronak used acursed tools to strike the heart of lorkan which instantly ascended all dwemer in nirns dimension into atherieas so they're just spirits now.
@@kenniecollins3175 go ahead and cite your source cause that sounds like kirkbride fanfiction
ESO actually plays with this idea a little in its skyrim expansion, theres a sidequest in blackreach about it
That would require an elder scroll id imagine and getting one and using it on the dwemer I’m sure would leave it’s mark in history, and it probably wouldn’t be a mystery
I always thought they put their souls into machines
I've always wondered what he's been up to in the more recent parts of the timeline.
Making tiktok
Cruising for lusty argonian maids
^ I agree with both of these statements XD
Same with the Neravarine. Didn't he/she have the disease but without side effects?
@@-umbra-1590 The Neravarine is in Akavir in the fourth era I'm pretty sure
"His knowledge of tonal architecture DWARFED all of his peers."
I see what you did there.
Came looking for this comment
@@Spike2276 I was really hoping someone caught this nugget😂
@@Spike2276 Came looking for this comment
If you like puns check out camelworks here on the tube he has puns galore and more alliterations then many blood sucking parasites lies
FudgeMuppet: Just trying to get a good shot of the Heart of Lorkhan for the video.
Dagoth Ur: (Running in the background) What are you doing!?! Stop!
What a grand and intoxicating innocence
Lay down your weapons, for it is not too late for my mercy
How could you be so naive?
Im a God, how can you kill a God?
Shame on you, sweet Nerevar.
I just imagine that the gods intended on killing him someday, but it just kept getting lost in the bureaucratic shuffle until they basically sad "screw it, Alduin will get him eventually." Then TES V happens lol
lol 😂
This. This is the true planning of the gods
Fuck, you made me imagine double-headed Akatosh wearing a business suit
@@rafaelbalsan4512 This is an amazing mental image.
@@rafaelbalsan4512
Lmao, maybe the Suit is also made to be viewed from both the front and back, so he had a Tie on both necks 🤣
Honestly this channel is keeping the passionate fire of Elder Scrolls alive today, and once Elder Scrolls VI comes out, I will be grateful for FudgeMuppet for keeping it alive for the fans
I feel like this channel is pushing Skyrim and Oblivion (and other games in the series) better than Todd Howard....Todd is pushing a living world into more new consoles and editions than is reasonable (given that they do not seem to be adding anything meaningful each time)....FudgeMuppet is carrying the lore of all the games into a timeless stage as a true scholar and story teller.
Micheal Kirkbride will always be one of my favorite people, without him who knows what the lore would be like?
Lets hope bethesda doesnt dumb it down even more ...
@@LegionnaireScout or microsoft doesn't rip your wallet in half
@@miniespeon158 well, thats optional, the decision of a game dev isnt, when Todd sayes its gonna have 16.5 times the detail and rainbow farting zebras, we wount be able to do much about it, skyrim is a good game, but lets all face facts, most people got it for the mod potential, the quest writing is half-assed, bugs liter the game ( distance rendering throws characters into the stratosphere, dragons fly backwards, rain falls inside etc. ) the lore is represented poorly and fumbles around the place which is represented in the quest writing, it all feels so unfinished, hollow, like something is missing here, best described in the collage of winterhold questline, you can literaly be a no magic warior that knows only one spell and sudenly you’re the damn archmage, same with the companions, and dont get me started on the thiefs guild, you are literaly forced into if you new to the game and dont know where esbern is, not much roleplaying there realy, where’s the option to scream at brynjolf that you have no interest joining and that if he doesnt want his head cleaved in two he better spill the info ... or a persuation of gold maybe, no, join to get the info and then sell your soul to another deadra latter ... the wizads at winterhold are similar in that regard, when you go off searching for the dragon elder scroll you have to find septimus sigmus, problem is you need to speak with the collage librarian to find out, ( I think he wount spawn in the frostcave untill you speak with the librarian ) so yeah, you roleplay as a no-magick axe warior ? Congratulations, you are now the archmage 😂 a rank that should be reserved for Master level mages ... whatever, hopefully most people get what I’m going for here, its all so forced, simple and undeserved, all of it
I remember this dwemer guy. He was a regular when I worked at the McDonalds in Balmora
Love me some McDagoth's
Fn McDagoths
McKwama pls
@@SALTrips ah man you beat me to the Mckwarma egg special 😋
@@CobaltContrast Mmmm, McCorprus..
Tldr everyone hated Yagrum and they moved without giving him the address
Relatable
He’s the guy Milton from office space.
You know what might have been a fun conversation? Yagrum Bagarn meeting Knight-Paladin Gelebor. Since we can hardly compare what the Falmer once were to the Falmer we have now, Gelebor basically is the last of the Snow Elves.
And since the Snow Elves were betrayed by the Dwarves, who poisoned and enslaved them to make them lose their sight, I can imagine how cold the conversation would be, and I would love to hear it.
Well, that happens only if Yagrum Bagarn would've left red mountain to meet Gelebor himslef, Gelebor would never abandon his mission, but that can't happen anymore because we don't know about Yagrum Bagarn's fate because of the red day.
I think this is actually something that's done in real life and is shown to help victims gain closure and perpetrators come to terms with the wrong doing they've done.
I absolutely love the dwemer ruins, you can see the greatness and the mystery of it all is just amazing.
I feel like they would hate one another but wouldn't try to kill each other either with both of them having the understanding that they're the last of their kind
I believe it is high time to return to Morrowind and visit the Last Dwarf.
It's been around 200 years since Morrowind. How do we even know if he's still alive
@@Slenderslayer351 Assuming that the eruption of Red Mountain or the Argonian invasion didn't kill Yagrum Bagarm, then he is still alive. Corprus disease renders it's victims biologically immortal. He had already wandered in that state for hundreds, possibly thousands, of years before he was found by Deviath Fyr and partially treated.
@@archades115 So there's a slim possibility that he's still breathing
@@Slenderslayer351 Slim, but yes. A chance. I doubt Deviath Fyr allowed himself or his prized patient die so easily. If Master Neloth of Sadrith Mora survived, I have little doubt Deviath Fyr and Yagrum Bagarm survived.
@@archades115 true, neloth may be a boss, but divayth is something else entirely. full daedric in Morrowind lmao I remember being scared of him as a kid watching my mom play
If the emperor from dune and jabba the hut had a child, this dude ate it.
I think you mean Baron Harkonnen.
@@ArcaneAvian19 I did! Lol I forgot what he was called and was too lazy to look it up.
Mojo intensifies
Nah, the baron harkonnen would be much much bigger than this guy.
Nah, the baron harkonnen would be much much bigger than this guy.
This makes me think that if Yagrum hadn't lost use of his lower half he could have attempted to bring his people back by reproducing many half Dwarf children.
Wouldn't they be afflicted with his ailment though?(I don't know much about him)
Race is by the female side but it’s a plot hole with the whole Breton thing
@@swilson5320 I think its just racial appearance is from the mother, the rest is from the father.
So his kids could still retain Dwarven capabilities just with another mer appearance.
@@oliverp3545 honestly looking at him that would be beneficial for them lol
@@swilson5320 The Bretons were interbred with elves for many generations. Male elf + female Nede, then male elf + female hybrid/Breton, then male elf + female hybrid/Breton, etc. etc... Still, they look like humans with only some (lore, not in-game) lightly elven appearance sometimes.
Falion, the Master Conjurer in Skyrim, flat out mentions that he's encountered Dwemer while traveling the Oblivion Planes.
"I know many things. I have studied things beyond the reach of most humans, traveled the Oblivion planes, seen things one should not see. *I have met Daedra and Dwemer* and everything in between and I know enough to see a vampire where others would see a man."
Did Yagrum Bagarn avoid the eruption of Red Mountain by escaping to the Daedric Planes? Or was it another Dwemer that Falion met?
Honestly could be another Dwemer, what do you think?
What if the event of red mountain warped all of the dwemer into the oblivion planes? As a sort of punishment, with no way to return to the mortal realms? I'd imagine that if they were removed from their technology, the oblivion planes would not be an ideal place for them to survive, perhaps some still out there, but that could be a fitting way to explain their disaster.
Falion probably just ot the short stick and was spared. The Dwemer the Conjoror met was probably someone else.
Or Falion is lying
It's probably just.. bad writing
I don't have coffee, nor a sweet roll but dammit, it's lore time.
What's the matter? Did someone steal your coffee? (and sweet roll)
@@kingcamelot1395 beat me to it 😂 was gonna ask, did somebody steal your sweetroll?
Sweet roll... for Fimmion
Greetings redguard
@@ncrtrooper8786 Ave , true to Ceasar
Every race- “You can’t just create life!”
Dwarves- “hehe spider go brrrr!”
hehe Numidium go [REDACTED]
Why is every fucking RUclips comment just this stupid dry meme
Hehe spider go chugga chugga chugga chugga
@@chadgoose7886 hehe comments go brrr
isnt conjuration creating life?
I really hope he shows up in ESO. It's kind of my dream to see a proper Dwemer themed expansion - not one that reveals massive secrets, but definitely one where Bagarn is intimately involved. Imagine encountering him during his prime, just before contracting "the Divine disease." Would be great to see.
Did you go to the clockwork city?
It would be awesome if he at least made a cameo in the clockwork city
Heard Todd will not let ESO explore anything Dwemer lore
@@Brevo77 thank god
@@Brevo77
Makes me hopeful we could get an expansion in tes6
It bothers me how little this character features in the lore.
He's THE primary resource about the Dwemer and its technology and culture but he just sort of never gets discussed in the lore.
Corprus makes people forget. If he’s alive then he should be unable to even communicate.
Where is he during ESO?
I hope we find him in the realm of Oblivion that helped him escape the fate of his race.
@@badluck5647 in the time of ESO he was probably still exploring Outer Realms. Morrowind happens a whole Era later than ESO.
@MapleLeafAce He was exploring the outer realms during the Battle of Red Mountain, and he was in Morrowind in the 3rd era. There isn't any information where he was during the 2nd era.
Also, the outer realms sounds like Oblivion.
If he is still alive during the time of the Dragonborn, and the DB has completed the quest in Winterhold to help the wizard replicate the Dwemer’s disappearance, what if the DB went to Yagram and gave him the details of the experiment.
Would've been nice but even the wizard didn't know of Yagram's existence and he's a nerd on the Dwemer. Pretty sure Yagram's long gone now
@@Slenderslayer351 Prob nuked along with Vvardenfell from that big rock above Vivec
@@SwedishEmpire1700 knowing Bagarn, he probably made a magic shield to protect the corpusarium from the explosion because DORFS
I have a buddy who plays the 'same character' for all the Elder Scrolls games, so his Daggerfall character is also the Dragonborn reincarnation of Indoril Nerevar who fought along side Martin in the Imperial City as the Champion of Cyrodiil. I'll have to ask him what he thinks about the idea you posed.
@@Slenderslayer351 true but I was thinking more along the lines of if Yagram was still around, he’d like at least a hint as to what the fuck happened and since the experiment was just replicated, the smart dwemer cunt could use that.
In my headcanon I like the idea that the Dwemer did in fact achieve divinity, thereby leaving their physical bodies behind without any more need for a presence in Mundus. Instead existing as mere souls in a different level of reality, much like the Et'Ada before Lorkhan's plan.
I like this mostly because it works with what I think was some of Kirkbride's *cough* 'influences'. People high on DMT saying they 'break through the veil' of reality describe beings of energy often referred to as 'clockwork elves' who have insane amounts of knowledge and technology to share. I like the idea that that's how the Dwemer ended up. That they are the clockwork elves existing within this divine realm beyond reality as mere beings of energy/ souls.
Living in their own pocket universe, like an Oblivion plane from a Daedra.
Man... that's cool.
So they achieved Chim.
God I'd feel so bad for Yagrum if thats true :( No matter the truth, whether it be his people are flourishing after reaching chim or erased from existence as we know it, he has to live an awful existence
In reality, they are the Numidium.
I recall some source saying they became the golden skin of the dwemer
But at the same time, fates in TES are usually cruel and horrifying. If the Dwemer didn't cease to be all together, they probably ended up in some eternal cycle of torture. I could imagine them being forced to live in a world with infinite knowledge and power, but without a way catch and hold on to any of it. They would have manage to ascend to a godly realm, but they weren't gods, simply prisoners to their own greed and cruelty. The Dwemer would become enslaved like they had done to the Falmer, and that was their punishment for trying to get achieve divinity through such heretical means. But I'm mostly likely wrong.
Everytime you talk about skyrim, you make me want to play it again
I’ve spent more recent time watching lore videos than I have playing any TES game.
The dwemer ruins are interesting to visit tho.
He is todd howard in disguise. Selling skyrim again
*Cough* Morrowind
I just played started oblivion after more than a decade because of these vids. Been having fun... Once you mod the fuggly faces and the UI
I like tp to theorize that Yagrum was actually in the Outer Realms exactly because Kagrenac was working on Lorkhans Heart, that he was there to observe if the Tools could stretch that extra note to the Outer Realms, to influence beyond Mundus as an Outside Observer.
Honestly, this channel has been my saviour during the pandemic
Same here 👍🏻
same LOL
Fervently agreed 😂 Been enduring over a year of minimizing social interactions to as little as possible and being hammered by constant anxiety, the sheer relief lore videos like these give me honestly kinda floors me.
Hang in there, friend!! 🤗💖
Same here honestly.
Agreed homie
Divayth Fyr is the real story... 4000 years old he was born as a Chimer, demi god like powers... he's more than a telvanni wizard, no one truly knows what he is
Hes a wizard harry.
@@nothingelsetodo4229 well, yes his powers are magical in nature but he seems to have achieved a lot more than any other mortal wizard
I feel for Yagrum, being the last of your race must be soul-crushingly lonely. Sure you can still talk to other races and socialize, but it can never replace one's own people or the values that they hold.
Not only that his immortality makes it so he can never bond with anyone because they will die unless they’re a vampire.
@Superior rule 34 true. Altho higher elves live a long time so he would have friends for a few hundred years
racist
This is unironically a nationalist manifesto. I agree.
@@sheogorathprinceofmadness2223 really? I didn't realize that would be the vibe my words gave off. I was going for being the very last of ones species, rather than being being the last of a specific ethnicity. Being the last of ones entire species I just feel would be ALOT more soul-crushing than the more petty versions of being the last of ones own kind. Which is why I feel sympathy for Yagrum, being being stuck in that level of isolation must be a horror unto itself.
Yagrum Bagarn looks like he would say the gamer word.
N'wah?
He looks like he would wear a fedora unironically and call women "milady"
Milady do you perchance possess the onlyfans?
You should hear his sound files assigned to him, he's toatally a gamer.
"How can you kill one who has no life?"
-South Park
This video made me realize something. Falion says he spoke with dwemer. However it’s never stated that these dwemer were in the Daedra realms due too what happened at red mountain. They could have just created their own plain like the ideal masters and just escaped extinction because of it.
Source for this cause I'm interested
@@justinfourie3422 It’s something Falion says in Skyrim. The Redguard who cures vampirism. I don’t remember the exact dialogue path to get him to say it.
And this is just a theory made after listening to the video. Originally I just thought maybe the dwemmer got transported there by a prince. But what was stopping hyper advanced people from creating a Daedra realm like the ideal masters?
I've never been early for a FudgeMuppet video and by god it had to happen when covering my favourite character from Morrowind - I have spent 19 years thinking about that dude
Huh... I was like "isn't that from 2005?" but nope... it is 19 years already. Man I get old ...
TES lore is wild man.
Like, imagine if the second Armstrong stepped on the moon, every American in existence vanished. Or the second Watson answered the phone from Graham-Bell, every person in the UK vanished. Wild shit.
The king of stuff you think about when high.
@@apricotmadness4850 Drugs are for losers.
@@LordOverTheLightOfRa You’re fun.
@@piedpiper1172 If you need drugs to have fun you must be bland and boring as hell with no personality. The best thing about people doing drugs is me taking advantage of them while they on something.
@@LordOverTheLightOfRa you're just a bad friend, drugs have their time and place. stop thinking it defines people.
This guy can help you beat the game AFTER you sever the thread of prophecy. He was my hero on my first play through of morrowind.
It’s hard to describe in words how much this channel mean to me. No matter what I’m going through in life, I know I can go to a Fudgemuppet video and feel at home. Like I’m 12 again playing Skyrim for the first time. I truly appreciate you guys’ content and can never wait for a new episode. Much love guys!
I hope that they tell more about the dwemer in the next elder scrolls game. It would be insane if you could find out what happened to them.
Yes, I want to learn more
I don't want them to ever dispel the mystery entirely, but knowing more about their fall, or perhaps finding others who managed to escape that fate would be really cool.
I'm open to learning the full truth in ~20 yearsish
@@McHobotheBobo soooo, in Elder Scrolls 6
I think they're probably in another realm somewhere, probably a plane of oblivion. Given that this is what happened to that dude in the college of winterhold who we can help replicate what the dwemer did.
Don't forget about the time he sung Tonal Eclipse of the Heart with Divayth Fyr
Edit:
Here's the beautiful vid for reference
ruclips.net/video/Lxmbfvycbv0/видео.html
Originally written and performed by DJ Kagrenac feat. Dumac- Dwarf- King
I have played this game for a decade now and just realised that his name is not pronounced as "Yargum Bagran".
I am dyslexic.
Fuck that’s so good
Must’ve missed that Young Scrolls single.
@Wizzy Snahkay oh you have no idea. I just decided to turn off the subtitles off completely for whenever a name comes up I read it as a different thing but hear it as another. The elvish, argonian and khajiit names sre a nightmare.
As someone who has only played Oblivion and Skyrim, I enjoy these videos on the past of the series as well.
I've always loved the narrative documentary style content that this video is made with. It always helps feel the immersion that is boosted even greater with the awesome cinematic shots.
The wait for TES 6 is not getting any easier
With the shit Bethesda has put out over the past few years I can't even get excited
@@johnathanblackwell9960oh boy how right You are...
He's not entirely alone. There were the ghosts of the Dwemer in many of the ruins, to include Radac Stungnthumz. Ghosts aren't precisely part of the race, but it raises the question why there are not more ghosts.....
Wow... You guys did a video on Yaggy Baggy? That's a fantastic surprise to find in my feed. Thanks a ton guys. I'm excited to watch!
Drew makes FudgeMuppet, Michael and Scott are great but Drew just completes it!
They have their charms. Scott his history lessons, Michael and his builds, drew and his conspiracy theories. I love it lol
Cloud district lore when
Hello there Nazeem
How can they make a video about Cloud District lore if they're not getting there very often?
Haven't i shouted you out of a cliff.
Bruh we know you've never been
This channel has made me realize that the elder scrolls has some of the richest lore out there
I recently started playing Morrowind and I absolutely love it the amount of lore and just over all attention to detail is incredible for a game so old.
Morrowind is my personal favorite game because it strikes the perfect balance of gameplay and world building in my opinion. It single handedly inspired me to make games. I hope you have a lot of fun playing it! Remember to take your time and enjoy the journey-it's not a game made to be sped through.
At some point in eso i remember hearing the creation myth of the Khajits saying that Azura was beside as Lorkkan was born and that always stuck in head. I always imagined her being big sister to lorkhan so when you said Azura could have punished the dwemer I gasped as Id never considered that at all. So interesting.
It's an interesting idea and she has changed an entire race before. That said I very much doubt that would mean the end of the Dwemer entirely, cause that would mean other divines could have simply snapped mortals out of the picture when they were in the way. If this was her doing, they are still around, question is where, when or how?
I do like the idea the Dwarves are like Icarus and get punished for their hubris in thinking the can approach godhood. However, I doubt someone has vain as Azura could punish the race without taking some credit.
Has anyone else ever wondered how the chimer waged a war against the dwemer and didn’t just get completely stomped on by legions of automata and advanced Magic’s and technologies that no other race has come close to thousands of years later?
I mean didn't they have 3 living gods among them? I don't think any other race has come close to that amount of divinity either
@@Suqordia The tribunal became gods after the dwemer disappeared, using Kagrenac's tools to tap into the power of lorkhan's heart.
@@christianjoyce3853 Oh they were after the disappearance? sorry, I don't really know timelines of things in the lore
The chimer where far stronger then any current race is the only reason.
@@erikburzinski8248 The Chimer couldn't beat the Thu'um using Nords without the Dwemer, so they weren't that powerful.
I think the Dwemer magic is overrated. A big glaring limitation is that the automatons can't operate far from the Dwemer ruins. Outside the automatons, the Dwemer seem to lack a warrior culture that produces great soldiers or heroes. It unsurprising they couldn't even defeat the Falmer.
"The Dwemer absolutely had to go. How else could we justify everything still being medieval fantasy after thousands of years?" Xelzaz, Lawman of House Telvanni, Loredas, 1st of Rain's Hand, 4th Era, Year 201
Love the Dwemer and everything about them
Really??? You support the enslavement of Snow elves??? Fucking sick.
@@rewanified09 you can blame the Nord for that
Imagine the MISERY of being undying, immortal but never leaving a dank dirty cave, for like 4,000 years...
I would be completely insane.
He wants to mock the Gods who destroyed his race for... Mocking said Gods? Good Idea...
I was just researching this guy last night during my insomnia!! Kismet
Ah, I know this feeling. You can't sleep and suddenly you find yourself reading about weirdest kind of shit xD
No bullshit...me too lol I'm currently playing Skyrim again and was wondering what really happened to the dwemer
You missed the Nerevarine, who after contracting corpus (which makes you immortal) just like Yagrum did, that's why he was immortal, wen't to Divayth Fyr to be cured, Divayth could remove most of the symptoms, but not cure the disease, immortality is one symptom he kept, after the Nerevarine completed his journey in Morrowind he left Tamriel and went to Akavir, as far as canon is concerned he is still there, he also has a deeper immortality, because most beings that do not age (one form of immortality) can still be slain, and so can the Nerevarine, however most do not have a deity on their side, Azura was the one who told Vivec, Sotha Sil, and Almalexia, Indoril would be reborn by her will, and wreak her vengeance upon them for disobeying Indoril and her, by abusing the power of the Heart of Lorkan after Indoril was slain in the battle of Red Mountain, to which Sotha Sill famously responded "The old gods are cruel and arbitrary, and distant from the hopes and fears of mer. Your age is past. We are the new gods, born of the flesh, and wise and caring of the needs of our people. Spare us your threats and chiding, inconstant spirit. We are bold and fresh, and will not fear you." Azura then cursed the Chimer, (who are what they became when they left the Altmer) into the Dunmer, skin of ash, eyes of fire, Indoril Nerevar is Azuras personal champion, and if you slay him, she will bring him back every time.
1) your forgetting the neraverine fulfilled azura's prophecy in morrowind.. There is no reason for azura to resurrect indoril neravar in the body of a new neraverine, should the current one die.
2) "the neraverine" is a bit of a catch 22 when it comes to identity. "The neraverine's" is more apt, as each one is a unique individual, who also houses the additional spirit of indoral neravar. So no, our neraverine, even IF azura decided "screw it lets just keep making new ones" wouldnt be reincarnated.. Indoril Neravar would be, but in the body of a totally new neraverine.
3) corprus, grants immortality by causes disease and decay.. Even with the negatives staved off as long as possible..the neraverine will ultimately, end up like yagrum over time without a straight up cure.. Hell and that cure could buried under an erupted red mountain for all we know..
In short...."If he dies, he dies..."
@@danielhogan6255 I disagree, just because that prophecy is fulfilled doesn't mean anything, she is a deity and she can do what she wants, she doesn't magically lose the ability to resurrect him because the prophecy has been fulfilled.
Second it is completely irrelevant if his personality is different because it's still his soul, that is the definition of reincarnation, the recycling of a soul, and finally I read those events completely differently, Divayth said he completely removed the other Corpus symptoms, not gave him something to treat it.
In the game The Nerevarine is looking for a cure and Divayth tries to cure him completely and fails, to which the Nerevarine asks for answers and Divayth explains that he was only able to cure some symptoms of the corpus, like the rotting flesh and madness.
So no, those symptoms are gone forever, not dormant.
It’s sad that he’s the last one...
It’s awesome there’s still one left.
He’s probably pretty trim right now, now that he’s cured.
@@rhett5058 yeah but I always felt bad for him
@@rhett5058 yeah bro I can imagine him looking pretty cool now
It isn't sad at all. As cool as the lore is, this shit is all made up!
Death is always an interesting subject; Like (Heavily Tangential) Vampires and so forth, if become a demon or so be rids you of your soul, you may live forever, but you have no place to go in the end…
In the end those Immortal by Darker Paths are the finite ones!
That's why necromancy is the best path, your soul ends up safe in a vessel, far from your corporeal form, that it could be used to synthesize or possess a new body in the case of the failure of the original.
Keep it secret, keep it safe.
@@freewilly1193 indeed, I’ve always found that fascinating, to become so powerful magically you can find and/or build a better form to take! But still not necessarily need it!
I believe that what the dark elf's comment about it being a divine gift or curse means it has its roots in Lorkhan. When they mettle with the heart of their known universe then it could have many after effects not just erasing the dwarves but changing reality like a dragon break to include the "disease" curse of a twisted divinity since it was also what brought about the prophecy being true about the Nervarine.
It is my therory that the dwemer race all had to die to make Yagrum Bagarn immortal. Vivec and the other two of the tribunal used the tools of Kagrenac to become God's. However they chose to do it in an effort to make the lives of their people better, thus acting more like Aedra deities. This consumed the tribunal's mortal forms, reforming them into immortal God's. Vivec stated himself that once he touched the heart of Lorkhan, Vehk ceased to exist and Vivec was born. Kagrenac used the tools in an effort to become a God, but not necessarily to make anyone's life better, but more for scientific achievement and ambition. Thus he acted more like a Daedra and rather than consuming his mortal form, it consumed his people conferring powers upon Yagrum Bagarn. I personally think Kagrenac is Yagrum Bagarn, but he remembers his life as a third party observer due to his issues with memory and due to the process of imperfect ascension to God-hood. Vivec when referring to his former life, refers to it as someone else, stating he is not responsible for the mistakes of Vehk, because they are separate beings. I think the distinction between intent is important, the tribunal acting more like Aedra and Kagrenac acting more like a Daedra. The daedra all require souls to maintain immortality. Hence why they make deals with mortals in exchange for their souls. I think they maintain much of their mortal imperfect selves, hence why they are selfish and often acting in evil ways. The Aedra I believe can persist off of worship alone, because they sacrificed everything mortal about themselves (hopes, desires, dislikes, etc) to attain God hood. Thus the Aedra are more perfect Immortals, and the Daedra are imperfect. Just as how the Tribunal using the same methods as Kagrenac, became perfect Immortals, while Yagrum Bagarn became an imperfect immortal that required the souls of his people
The last syllable of Drew’s sentences are so delayed it’s very distracti ng
I’ve never noticed that before!
Why have you done this to me?
It was the FIRST thing I noticed when I started with these guys lol I'm used to it now
For the record: this video says the dwemer all died except yaggy baggy, which is at best a vast oversimplification. We have no idea what happened to them
Last time i was this early they were still here...
I cri everytiem
TES6 definetly will play during the Dwemer era, there's no way around it.
Always happy when a new lore video drops :)
So basically Ol' Yaggy's connection dropped out, right around the time the Dwemer collectively Alt-F4ed their entire species
thank you for still making Elder Scrolls videos. If ES6 never comes out at least I have fudgemuppet
It is literally insane how good this game is.
Yagrum Bagarn is what happens when Todd Howard reads the 'Mojoworld' X-men comics.
Another great video! 👍
This was surprisingly eloquent. Nice work!
It's odd that he was the "only" one outside of Mundus. It's hard to believe to be honest. There might be groups of Dwemer people outside of Mundus and who refuse to return for some reason or another.
Its pretty cut n dry, we do have the answer and have had it since ES3 Morrowind. If you actually take on the quest from the Archmage, you get an answer if you do things right. As a Telvanni you have the option to talk to Balas Devenanni, and if you have three books, Hanging Gardens, Egg of Time and Divine Metaphysics...Yagrum gives you a vague explanation which is enough to complete the quest but talking to Balas, he expands on exactly what the books say. Pretty much Divine Metaphysics says theres a tonal pattern they can draw from the heart using specificly crafted tools that will bound himself and his race to the heart. The Egg of Time explains this theory but also warned of what could/would happen if Kagrenak made mistakes in sundering the wrong tones. Given what we know, that they all disappeared its obvious Kagrenak made the wrong tone... however what isnt explained by either character is what Vivec tells us. Vivec says (believe him or don't but in this case I do believe him) that despite having fought them in the war of the First Council and having to have met many, he admitted he has no sense of them inside or outside time. Thats key, and plays into the book the Egg of Time...which argues what happens when you make the wrong tone. I dont think its a coincidence they both refrence time, and the conclusion to the Disappearance of the Dwarves quest confirms that Kagrenak made a wrong tone, and that tone displaced his species not just from Nirn, but from time itself. Kind of like what happened with Alduin and the Elder Scroll...which is also a form of tonal magic. The truth is, Kagrenak was attempting to alter a tone that would extend time to his and only his people, effectively making them immortal. However he was forced to act quickly and the tone produced upon his people didnt extend their time, it extened them through time... which means one day they should reappear. Unless he really messed up and displaced them both forward and backward in time...that could exain why when Arniel tries to replicate this it turns him into a shade. That too is a tonal production mistake. Its a complicated form of magic, like shouting...and has its own special set of rules and laws.
He looks like a Discord Moderator 😂😂
i thought there was some dialogue that hints that the dwarfs were sent to a time in which their technology was usless?
i have felt that the dwenmer would make for an awesome enemy in a future TES game. imagine a huge army of dwarves and machines invading through portals and attacking cyrodiil. final battle could be basically a giant mech battle, with the player character piloting a numedian type mech vs a new dwemer one piloted by dumac or kagrenac. you could still have the mystery about where they went and why. as well as the new mystery of why they have returned and attacked. it'd give bethesda an excuse for adding in new tech, new dwemer bots to go along with spheres, spiders and centurions. after they are defeated they could retreat back trough the portals. thus leaving the possibility of them returning again in the future.
Incase anyone wanted/wants to know what the music in the beginning of the video is, the song is called "Peaceful Waters".
Yagrum Bagarns outside realm is the earth realm of Fallout's universe millenia before the events of fallout happen, he discovered it and was enamored by how the inhabitants thrived in a world without gods or magic. Before the Dwemer were vanished Bagarn would pass on dwemer technology and science on to ancient humans and was worshipped as a god. The artifacts of these empires are discovered by Lorenzo Cabot in the 19th century.
Thanks for uploading this Fudgemuppet. I was looking for videos on the mer himself and was surprised at the relative dearth of content discussing him specifically, versus only as a small piece of the greater mystery of the Deep Folk.
Again thank you
Well, you are so devoted to the Elder Scrolls universe, that I believe Bethesda should immortalize you in one of their next games.
They should portrait you as three brother mages of vast knowledge, but a little crazy with their theories.
Fudge, Muppet and Fuppet, three mages eager to learn all the secrets of Nirn. Travelling around the world, exploring ancient ruins, ancient scrolls, looking for dead and forgotten civilization, even in the deep sea... Looking for knowledge forever.
Three mages on the edge of achieving CHIM.
This is amazing. I’m chilling outside smoking, and I see this wonderful video to make it even better. Thank you Drew
I love seeing Lore Videos
Especially when made by fudgemuppet
We need more of these kind of videos 👍.
Everyone in tamriel is immortal, I could leave my PC running for years on end and no one would die from natural causes.
Craig Doran Electronics have about 20 years of lifetime. After that they would all vanish like some kinda dwemer.
@@nihilism6226 don't care didn't ask, plus you're a nihilist.
@@craigdoran7873 Yet I answered anyway.
@@nihilism6226 He said he didn't ask. Craig has spoken.
@@dovahkiin7253 I don't care, I answer to whatever I please. There is only one authority I respect - death.
You were very close to the talking mudcrab merchant in that one shot between 3:40 - 3:50. I remember that specific ruin very well.
I was hoping to find him in ESO just because that's dated before Morrowind
1:40 "Persistent Existence" is a great band name
Damn guys I need more of this content in my life!
Hell yeah man new content. Hey I just wanted to say I really enjoy your work. You and anyone else who works with you do a great job and I for one sure appreciate it.
I always felt sorry for the poor guy. Yagrum Bagarn was always such a tragic character to me. And the only way I could help him was to kill him. It seemed like a mercy. I did the same thing for that sorrowful woman in Seyda Neen in her quest to find her husband, and we find him dead. I read that book she had in her home about a Khajiit and their lover who weren't accepted as being together. That made up my mind to kill her and then place the ring on her body as a sign that she should be together with him in the afterlife. It was the only way I could reconcile that fate bestowed upon them. And it was the only way I could live with myself as a character.
Basically u just wanted to kill...
You got a smoothie don't cha
justify it if you like. Still murder.
Yagrum is too fascinating a character to be forgotten. The single living survivor of a race of Mer long thought extinct. Even the Snow Elves have their descendants in the falmer goblins, whom Gelebor admits are becoming more intelligent with every passing year, so there’s hope that maybe millennia from now they might regain a fraction of their former selves. But Yagrum doesn’t even have shadows. I truly hope he makes a comeback in future games, assuming the eruption at Red Mountain didn’t finish him off first. 😞
hot damn, view number 11! Crazy theory time: Yagrum Bagarn was in Apocrypha and let slip to Hermaeus Mora what Kagrenac was working on, ol' herma mora is intrigued but also annoyed at the hubris of dwarves and decides to step in, he goes to Kagrenac and offers him "secret knowledge" which Kagrenac jumps at. Now, of course, it does work... all the Dwemer are stripped of their corporeality but instead of making them immortal, they were absorbed by Hermaeus Mora to feed his insatiable lust for knowledge. He allowed Yagrum to return to Tamriel, but with his mind and body shattered, in case he would seek revenge... it could also work with Clavivcus Vile, Bagran makes a deal for "immortality" but it cost him the lives of all of the dwarves!
The theory is really interesting and I like it, but Bagarn's immortality and disabled state are clearly caused by corprus, originating from Dagot Ur, not Herma Mora.
If any divine could simply erase an entire race, they would have for other reasons. Plenty daedric plots fallen apart do to mortal actions, they would have made sure that could not be the case, if they had such power.
That would be the kind of thing that hermaeus mora will flex if he did really do it. And since the dwemer considered themself at least equal to deities, I do 't really see one of them go after a daedric prince to ask for knowledge. Knowledge were all for the dwemer, but it wasn' t any kind of knowledge, it was their knowledge in particular, the knowledge they finded and built themself
@@xeskenn18 We also know for a fact that the Dwemer could make a lock box Ol'Mora could not crack.
@@insaincaldo yeah true I didn't think at that but yes, pretty sure Hermaeus Mora hated the dwemer during their time
His story is epic and very depressing these kinds of things really make you appreciate the elder scrolls series
What about paarthurnax he knows what it's like to be the last of a race
Well, there clearly are many other dragons around...
@@SereglothIV yes but that was very recent, paarthurnaxx was the last of his kind for a very very long time
@@James-nf9pd Well, you're right, my mistake. But now that I think about it, he knew that Alduin was consumed by the time wound and would reappear later in time.
@@SereglothIV Yes thats true actually, if he knew alduin would return he mustve felt differently from Yagrum
The dragons were also just hunted to near extinction, many still terrorizing the lands up in historic times.
Tiber Septm's loyal soldier Nafaalilargus for one lived almost into the 3th era. Still some lived in solitude and in hiding. Though it seems unlikely that Paarthunax had contact with those ones, he must have known he was not alone throughout the 3th era.
A truly magnificent essay!
There seriously wasn't another single drawf anywhere in a oblivion realm?
There are, there’s a character in Skyrim which mentions meeting one in passing
"Hi I'm Johnny Knoxville, and I'm gonna bang on the Heart of Lorkhan like a drum!"
I think that if it was Azura, who stands behind the disappearance of the dwemer race, people all over Tamriel would have known that already. She is increadibly vain after all.
possibly, but azura also says that things weigh on gods forever, so her not bringing up the dwemer could be her trying not to think about things she despises.
@@windhelmguard5295 as if it ever stopped her from putting curses on those who disrespected her.
Plot twist : entire dwemer race is playing hide & seek ,and it's Yagrum's turn to seek.
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So based on the rose in the box example, could we say that although the gods in elder scrolls are all powerful and all knowing, they still cannot know what they don't know they don't know? Similarly, would that be how Nocturnal would allow the skeleton key to be stolen from her? You can't know if something's missing if you don't know to check if it's missing. When asked which box holds the rose, Azura knows which box because she's all knowing, therefore she can tell which box contains a rose, however she doesn't know that she doesn't know if there will even be a rose in the box when it's opened. In other words it's impossible to know an answer to a question that you didn't know you needed to ask. For the gods there are no know unknowns, however there are unknown unknowns.
The last time I was this early, the Chimer were still pale blondes.
@Wirr Ling Oh, look who missed context!
Dark blue/green/grey/ashen skin with dark red eyes isn’t silver-gold skin. Who’d have guessed?!
Yagrum: exists
Calcelmo: would like to know your location
Can’t wait to meet him in Skywind!
If one race is tenacious and clever enough to come back, it is the dwemer.
Their fate being a cruel and mysterious one add some flavor to the lore, like a Icarus of old, flying too close to the sun and crashing down.
But I still believe they will be back. Perhaps not all of them, but some will find a way.
I really want little bits and pieces to find throughout the new TES, i dont want this mystery to be solved like a call of duty ee but more like a extended intellectual brain twist that only could be solved by the smartest
the words "brain twist" would lead me to believe you would not personally solve it, watch videos on it, then feign deep understanding of the subject online.
@@danielhogan6255 Thanks for questioning my intellect on a 3 year old comment! Since you are assuming things, I’m going to say you are projecting your own feelings onto someone else!
So when is Drew becoming an audible narrator?