"Shut it! You wanna know how LONG it was for me to get this!?!?" Man in the Wall: "Well....uhhh..." "Quite a while, old man!! I'm still digging bullets out my ass, and my eyebrows are singed from the fires, and I'm still spitting out rocks!" Man in the Wall: "......" "That's what I thought, so shut the fuck up!"
The concept of the Void is purely Lovecraftian in nature, but with an cruel twist. In Lovecraft stories, it normally depicts entities (one can argue their existence, as most are accounts by folks already gone insane) which are so alien to humanity... to attach concepts like good and evil is meaningless - morality being a product of our egos in this case. Normally said entities in the stories pay little heed to the actions of human beings (much like we pay little heed to ants crawling about). What is intriguing about the Man in The Wall is that - while in Lovecraftian fashion is utterly alien, it is an entity that has taken specific interest in the MC (Tenno). In otherwords... imagine being an ant (out of trillions in the world), being singled out, gaining the attention of a man. Hence... Lovecraftian with a cruel twist. Well Smough, enjoyed the video.
Thanks my man! Was a tough subject for me to 'concisely talk about'. But yes there are loftcraftian elements in that it is utterly beyond our comprehension. The way it appears in game is not really how it is - in fact it is doing mimicry in an attempt to communicate with us. Which is just creepy.
It's space dad! He even calls us kiddo and helps us out. The void gave birth to the Tenno it spared them and gave the, powers he's just looking after his kids. Such a good dad.
yeah. And if he wants to chill in my Operators body for that, why not. Still a better parent than the Lotus xD And he guided us to the Paraceisis sword, which is nice. I'm all pro space dad, no matter what
-The man in the wall side of the void is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural -Is it possible to learn such power? -Not from a tenno.
Put that all aside, I think everything Rell had to go through, everything about the Chains of Harrow, everything Rell had to do, is just the saddest thing in the Warframe universe for me. :(((( Protecting people that casted you out? Rell deserves more recognition.
I think the void and the man in the wall is the same. Only difference is the minds of our parents we killed got mixed to the void while in contact with it(when they went nuts) and the man in the wall was born, thats why paladino said all of us tenno which killed our parents have to face it now as the void
It always seemed obvious that the man in the wall wanted to weaken our mental state, but I didn't really get the reason for it until I watched this video. Very strong theory you got there.
From my researches on the topic, the Void that the Orokin used as some kind of divine purpose would be more the "teal void" (the missions ingame) linked to the Unum, the world of dreams. But if you take a closer look at the lines about our father and the description of the Grineer Queens, it seems to point to another thing, "starless black", the called Void we know has lights in it so I think that's something different. Ballas also always, always refers to us as "devils", "demons from that hell", how could he speak like that about the Void at this moment in history. I really think that the place we were stuck in during the zariman incident, shown in rell webcomic, is a third place, the place that Teshin mentionned.
So, different layers of Void? "Teal" Void is the closest one to reality and allows for some nifty, but short-ranged FTL (Solar Rails and Railjack). "Starless Black" is a deeper layer and allows for some long-ranged FTL (Zariman Ten-Zero jump from Sol to Tau - roughly 12 light years to cross).
Have you ever thought about the "Rap tap tap" thing being related with the giant finger thing you found in the rail jack? You can hear like they're tapping from time to time
Silly theory: The man in the wall is the original Limbo. His last jump sent him back to the beginning of time itself and warped his energies into that of THE VOID.
Well, it could be possible, although we know what happened to the original ‘frame, it got it’s components scattered, and I doubt the Tenno controlling Limbo was harmed by what happened. But what do I know, it’s Warframe, stranger things have happened.
Expect Limbo uses RIFT which is stated to be plane/dimension between void and real world. So nope. Limbo has HALF-AS$ED void powers so he couldn't have created orginal Void from his half void.... Since how da fck would he have half-void in the first place. Paradox and not a Diviri kind.
Nope... The man in the "wall" means the man behind the gate (void gate). "Took me long to understand what this Wall means". Orokin scientists found a way and experimented to travel freely to more places and expand their empire ecc... I answer you too late, now with new updates we have more information guess you know about them :)) If still playing the game
The man in the wall could also be the sign that we are growing as human beings. The adults on the ship were driven mad because of the void. Now we don’t dream so we are now in the regular life cycle of growth. Because our minds on the zaraman 10-0 were not fully matured we didn’t go mad. We were just children but now it’s likely we are teens with the man in the wall being the aspect of which rell saw. I see the creep a lot frequently now with the voice much more scary than before. It scares me and it drives me nuts. Now I can’t enter the orbiter without going to a relay as my first destination.
Update: In the Railjack, there is like a cryo pod full of smoke. If you stand next to it, the man in the wall can speak to you, he says that "you owe him one"
I've just realized something. On the Jovian Concorde Update new boss fight named "The Ropalolyst" we have one specific quote saying "I've seend the Wall other face". I tink the "Wall" designate the Void in which the Zariman was trap.
He does mimics everything about us, even our voice itself, and now with railjack, he uses even more voice lines, you might want to update more about this
The first time I heard the sound I was wearing my 7.1 sound headphone and on 60 percent volume. The moment I heard the sound on my back, eventually, I stopped thinking
Well I just got a visit from "The Man in the Wall" Okey my take is this. They have not removed either Stalker or The Man in the Wall. They must be planning something for both. And I'm guessing both will be huge.
Stalker is kinda similar to Rell, an operator trapped in transference (at least is the most accepted theory). So I can see something happening whith those two...
But Stalker is stated to be part of the "Old guard", it was stated that he was lower in hierarchy than other Tenno. But at the same time he is using Warframe. I still assume that his story is not finished and we simply do not know. Stalker Mode might be his endgame quest where we will find answers.
@@magearamil8626 yah I know all that about him being a lower guard and all but I'm assuming there maybe some huge revelation sooner or later tied to a long story quest. but ya failed to touch upon "the man in the wall". what is your take???
@@starrieyedGirl haha probably our Tenno's mind, at least pary that was left in the void together with memories from Zariman and Tenno's parents. I assume that from Diviri Paradox trailer.
Grineer, Corpus, Natah, Sentients, Ballas, The Great war are all a distraction and also a strengthening for the tenno. The Tenno become extremely powerful the serve as a vessel for the man in the wall. This entity has been watching us as if children have been fighting over a toy, he laughs, he grins and he knows. All of this , all these quests will lead us to the final battle with this entity. This insanity, this madness, will overtake, will take us back, will take the gift he has given us before. He will come for you......kiddo. Rap......Tap........Tap.
Welcome people which finished The New war quest and seeks any answers for this absolutely confusing encounter we saw, it's insanely nice to see that DE is back with good plot god damn duviri paradox is gonna be nuts like elden ring 2 i Hope lmao
The "rap, tap, tap" is repeated by Sythel (who, by the way, thinks that the Indifference was born of Master Entranti's fear) in the Kingdom of Duviri, and the Man in the Wall is sung about there too by the children (because of course the singing children are giving horrifying rhymes about something they can't see watching them). The Joy Spiral has the children singing about his smile and how they smile back, the Sorrow Spiral has them singing about how he wishes he could cry and feel sorrow, but can't, and the Envy Spiral actively talk about him wanting to be them and how they have to keep him away. Additionally, you can find a "Vagabond" in Duviri which can only be a manifestation of the Man in the Wall. A child-like Duviri citizen with the right index finger missing, same one on the wall that appears at the end of New War and the one the Operator's "demon" bends when you put in the Reliquary Drive's key, will appear in different areas depending on the Spiral, showing that the Man in the Wall isn't just affecting the Origin System, but Drifter's Paradox as well.
Its absolutely amazing how much more we know about him now after New War but still don't have all the pieces of the puzzle. He plays a big part in that story and I think we'll learn more in a future update.
I love all the lore based around the man in the wall and the void. The concept of a being beyond our comprehension trying to communicate with us amazes me, and I hope that one day the ingame choices we make have an affect, so I can truly embrace and become one with this godly being. DE, what’s taking so long kiddo?
This is an interpretation of the void i had the minute the war within came out I believe the man in the wall is simply a segmented partition of the void. Its an omnipresent existence that soreads itself in the form of our abilities and overall our apparitions.
I always thought of The Man in the Wall as the conscious manifestation of the void itself, and what it did to us, as part of its amusement. Like an all powerful God, meddling in mortal affairs to get a laugh out of it.
It will be interesting to see if he has any influence during the New War given he doesn't want to harm us, if he lead us to Ballas and the Paracesis he should realistically have some presence during the New War. Potentially we can learn weather he is the reason the Sentient disgust the void.
I don't know why, But He makes me feel safe, I hated natah Right from the start but now after seeing him for the first time. I like him very much, his voice Is so very soothing.
I had the same theory about the man in the wall too. After we destroyed rells vessel he somehow latched himself onto us how he is using us as his access to the physical world (same plan as he had with rell) Even though he's helping us he is doing it for his benefit later on. Maybe he wants us to succeed in the war to then take our powers to restore or transform deimos into duviri. Hence why in the trailer the tenno had no powers? And that our tenno is older...
You know, I’m reminded of something from the SCP Foundation called Pattern Screamers. According to one article, the Pattern Screamers are non-existent beings that can only be perceived when a sentient being tried to comprehend utter nothingness, which is exactly what the Foundation has come across: a pure void located somewhere in Russia, a non-region lacking space, time, energy and matter. However, the mortal mind is not equipped to deal with such utter nothing, and so it tries to overlay it with images of something that mostly make sense. As these patterns accumulate, the Pattern Screamers begin to take form and begin truly existing. What if the Man In The Wall is something like that? Excerpt it is the Tenno who perceived the absolute nothing that is the Void on the Zariman, and thus left a kind of “pattern” for the Man to take form with.
"It coiled around your tender heart" "coiled" makes me think of a tentacle, and in the operator room on your orbiter, you can see transparent tentacles (transparent bc its in the void) behind your chair thing
Revisited after New War. Closest to my theory I’ve seen. I think Operators at this point are Oull Void Dopplegangers tied to the soul of your REAL Tenno in the Void as Drifter. If Drifter in the Void dies, so does Operator. The rules in our Universe meant housing the Void in Form, Function, and Free Will/Consciousness. New war allows physical body swaps but it is always the void-powered Doppleganger in our reality and the Soul/very mortal/killable/REAL Tenno that allows it to exist…until the Void can fully take over. Then the real Tenno/soul dies. So now it’s a race. Rell and Margulis can’t protect you anymore. I say the Operator is Immortal because this is a correction after the encounter with Entrati and using mortality to stop him. I say the MITW wants Void energy spread in our reality. The more this happens the
So it’s kind of like mind body dualism? The drifter is our soul, and the operator is an astral projection. Kind of like how Dr. Manhattan was separated from his intrinsic fields.
Maybe the way "the man in the wall" is acting is because the only sortof interaction with another sentient is with a young Rell. So the childlike taunting and all that is due to the template it based on Rell. Maybe from the start it didn't have much of any "personality" but was influenced and basically created by Rell's own desires after his centuries in the void. The void is a mysterious place, after all, and if it's original personality is one 'void' of emotion, it would explain why it now seemingly wants to interact with the tenno and ultimately maybe possess them and enter the 'real' world. That would have been Rell's ultimate wish, to one day return, his duty fulfilled. That one desire now twisted by the exposure to the void energies. Essentially human emotion casting a shadow into the void, lending the sentient energies new purpose.
Ah, good times. When I played on Switch I had no way to get to The Sacrifice so I asked for help on Global when I started fresh on Xbox, and a really nice dude helped me get past Void: Mot because he was trying to get to Chains of Harrow too. When we finished we were relaying our experiences with the quest to each other for a good while, definitely ruined the tension of walking around the empty Grineer ship though.
Heres some food for thought. [MINOR SPOILERS AHEAD] After the new war and the concepts mentioned in that quest, the man in the wall at first could have just been hallucinations of the void but after learning of Eternalism, those hallucinations could have been actualized. The man in the wall has always been portrayed as a being that only those who have been touched by the void can see or recognize. Since our operators survived the void jump in the zariman, they were touched by the void and gained their powers, therefore they can see the man in the wall. I think the man in the wall is the physical representation of the void itself. Like, as if the entirety of the void exists as one conscious being. Now back to him just being a hallucination, if you recall during the new war when it talks about the concept of eternalism. It states that all possibilities exist at once and your decisions dictate what possibility occurs in your reality. This means that the alternate possibility will exist somewhere in a different reality. During the new war, when you are on the zariman and the man in the wall appears to offer you a deal, you shake his hand and he provides you and the other tenno with his power. I believe at this point, or probably somewhere before, is when the man in the wall became a real being. Perhaps the handshake was just the final piece he needed. At first it was just hallucinations caused by the void which is why only the tenno could see him. But after taking that deal, A new reality where the man in the wall escaped the void and became his own entity entirely was put into motion. This is why in the new war, the lotus could see and interact with the man in the wall. As to what his goal is and what purpose he serves remains to be seen. knowing DE's track record for updates, we can expect to see something about it in around 15 years
spoiler in case you haven't seen or completed new war! 12:20 holy crap this was spot on, after the last scene in NW I don't think we'll see much of the man in the wall as our doppelganger much and we'll have to learn his language as we couldn't understand him when he spoke
Maybe instead of possessing, he swaps places in existence with us. The older tenno maybe is trying to return home from the place that the entity lived.
I remember post Sacrifice, I'm just chilling enyoing my Excalibur Umbra. Then I see him, sitting on the codex console. I almost shit myself the first time that happened xD. Same with the end of War Withing like holy fuck!
On the railjack that same voice can be heard from the back if the ship in some blue fog. For me the voice says "remember kiddo, they are nothing with out us."
That's the reliquary drive. It powers the ship and the growths coming out of it are very similar to the old construction of the Unum on the plains of eidolon. I'm pretty sure that it draws power from the void, like the orokin ripped a piece of the void out and used it as a battery of some kind.
If his full body is the void and you are connected to the void, you become an extension of him. That is why can he touch you, what you see is part of him but not all of him, only enough for him to interact
For almost every living thing boredom is the worst. There are hundreds of studies in which people have deliberately hurt themselves to avoid boredom. Maybe he uses the Tenno just to escape his boredom. Perhaps the answer to what the man's goal is quite simple: avoid boredom. Do you know the anime "That time i got reincarnated as a slime"? The dragon at the beginning also comes along with the slime, he even lets himself be wiped out of it just to escape the boredom and loneliness. I think the man in the wall just wants to see something different than the void and the tenno are the perfect medium for that. Maybe the worlds are so different that we misinterpret his actions. Maybe he uses our father's phrase so that we have less fear and he does not seem so strange to us. Maybe he just wants to cause chaos. I believe that DE would never choose the logical answer. They will somehow bring in a turn otherwise I would be disappointed xD
I've had a similar idea too - he wants a way to manifest somewhere other, than Void, to find at least something interesting. Or... imagine, if he was even kinda benevolent and just wanted to give those poor fleshlings some nifty Void powers to make them closer to himself (and also to be able to manifest in reality), but adults failed to integrate with the bits of himself he gave them and went crazy.
@@caav56 Imagine him being a 'weak' one in the void. We think of him as a powerful being but in the void could exist much greater ones. I love Warframe xD
The void in my opinion is the memory and the dreaming mind of the universe. Parvos Granum discovered Specter Particels, which can take a "snapshot" of someone or something in time and then project it onto our world as a Physical object/being(such as protea, a sentient warframe without a tenno). The void contains a record of our history, even most likeley the future and perhaps possible alternate timelines and when people enter the void without protection, there minds will be overwhelmed by an incomprehensible timeflow of Past, Present and Future. For our minds only percive time linear. And the man in the wall is a) a being made form by our own memories with its own mind somehow or b) the void itself projecting in a form we can better percive
Simple fear removal tactics. Turn game volume off. Blast “Welcome to the Cum Zone” until you complete the quest and hope you don’t get a noise complaint.
The bends isnt necessarily caused by going "too deep". It's caused by ascending from that depth too fast and not allowing sufficient time for the compressed gas in your blood to gradually be released through your lungs. Has the effect much like opening a can of coke... Your blood starts to form bubbles. Yes it is more of an issue for deeper, or longer, dives... But the cause is inpropper decompression as you ascend too quickly. The longer and deeper the dive, the longer and slower you need to take the decompression/ascension.
I just realize how true your sentence were right now : "When he give us the void power , a part of ourself stay in the void and the other on the material world "
Hearing rap tap tap just snaps me back to a year or two ago when I did the quest. One of the most scariest experiences I've ever had in the game. I have no idea how I got through the harrow quest haha
Man the way it goes rap, tap TAP right in your head like that sounds like he's getting closer and really messes with me, not to mention the Harrow quest being pure nightmare fuel at the start
the Queen ARE Orokin, which is why they know so much about it. Only the Orokin and scientists such as Margulis have an basic understanding of how the void works
Rap tap tap always reminded me of Edgar Allen Poes The Raven. "While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. “’Tis some visitor,” I muttered, “tapping at my chamber door- Only this and nothing more.”
There's some weird thing I've noticed. Considering we see the railjack finger and the entity in us talking when we approach the finger, I believe they are the entity within us talking to us. Note the finger causes white crystal vines to grow and feed the railjack, this is seen in the liset, the void towers too, but also the derelicts with decaying crystal vines. Which makes me think the orokin found an entity in the void and ripped it apart to use as an energy source. However the finger boy quotes lead me to something else. The finger boy and the man in the wall are not the same entity.
Extremely well said! I really hope that DE digs even deeper with the Man in the Wall, and they're not forgotten when we get The War Within. **(SPOILERS in this comment for those that haven't finished the Ropalolyst)** I honestly do think they're going to tie things together, given Natah's comments on how she "has seen the wall's other face." I wonder if there's some strange hatred from the Man in the Wall towards the Sentients, since they can't enter the Void at all? I'm going to guess that they'll tie that in as well. It does seem to me that their storyline is quite all over the place, so I'm hoping they take all the little loose ends and start pulling them together. If they do, they'll take some absolutely amazing lore, and pull together a storyline with a whole lot of depth! Thanks again for your video. It was affirming toward what I was thinking as well!
I didn't know you made warframe lore when I found you, I really hope you come back to it. I love your elden ring and bloodborne videos I'll love the new warframe content too!
I don't think the man in the wall is a malevolent entity. I think it has a goal, but I also think it represents balance. The entity was there to show us the threat of the sentients, when the lotus abandoned us. It showed us to the weapon that would give us the best chance at surviving the sentients. It uses our own image, not our fathers, not our mothers, our own self when it presents itself to us instead. If it wanted to make us trust it, or be more receptive to it, it would choose a form like the lotus or another person we trust. It uses calm, familiar language that our father used. It isn't overtly threatening. When it first appears before us, it used to much of its presence and every time after it just appears, says something, and vanishes. Is it benevolent? I doubt it, but I don't think it wishes for harm on us. My theory is that it is a cosmic entity, that holds the fabric of our reality together from the inside. It felt that the sentients and by extension the orokin were a huge threat to itself and the universe at large, and so it chose one vehicle amongst hundreds of settlers and children and attempted to give them power. The adults were too old, their minds too mature to handle it, and went bonkers. A misstep on the voids part. The children, however, weren't as effected. The void children, now named tenno, learned to control their powers but were to strong and so were sealed away in the second dream. This was also a misstep, as the voids chosen were taken from it. It had the opportunity to sieze our bodies from the first chance, and outside of the harrow quest, it itself has done no harm (which I attribute to harrows weakening grasp on reality coupled with his essence failing, so the struggles of the void to break free from harrow caused it to lash out as it did). I could be wrong, but I think at the very least it's here to help and guide us.
Is there anything that alludes to the Lotus know of The Man in the Wall? Given that we expect the New War by the end of the year, do you think there will be a clash involving the Tenno and the Sentients, where The Man in the Wall plays a role? DE jokingly referenced a "space dad" during one of the 2019 devstreams, in relation to the New War..
Kris Guy A bit late, but I don’t think so. The Lotus states many times that the void is not an entity, and not the believe what the red veil are preaching. She thinks they’re more fanatic than religious.
Forget Sentients,Ballas,Natah,Hunhow and everybody else the Man in the Wall is the most terrifying character in the game.
HOW IS HE SCARY
Clem
The Stalker wdym
Sounds like the outsider from the dishonored
Hey. kiddo.
Farms 100k kuva,* What took u so long kiddo* .........
Glazed 21 lmao he knows how hard it is to farm yet he still asks that question
yeah also we all seem to forget that the cephalon who created riven MUST know something, i mean he'd dabbling with Billions upon billions of kuva
"Shut it! You wanna know how LONG it was for me to get this!?!?"
Man in the Wall: "Well....uhhh..."
"Quite a while, old man!! I'm still digging bullets out my ass, and my eyebrows are singed from the fires, and I'm still spitting out rocks!"
Man in the Wall: "......"
"That's what I thought, so shut the fuck up!"
@@R00t470 man in the wall: i know, i made you do it *kiddo*
who else got scared when they saw the man in the wall in the orbiter?
i uninstalled the game
He was on the back of my orbiter, I got SO SCARED!
Gabriel Pereira Mendes when does this happen!?
@@pacheco5592 when you finish the chains of harrow quest
@@pacheco5592 When u do the chains of harrow quest he randomly appears in ur orbiter
The concept of the Void is purely Lovecraftian in nature, but with an cruel twist. In Lovecraft stories, it normally depicts entities (one can argue their existence, as most are accounts by folks already gone insane) which are so alien to humanity... to attach concepts like good and evil is meaningless - morality being a product of our egos in this case. Normally said entities in the stories pay little heed to the actions of human beings (much like we pay little heed to ants crawling about).
What is intriguing about the Man in The Wall is that - while in Lovecraftian fashion is utterly alien, it is an entity that has taken specific interest in the MC (Tenno). In otherwords... imagine being an ant (out of trillions in the world), being singled out, gaining the attention of a man. Hence... Lovecraftian with a cruel twist.
Well Smough, enjoyed the video.
Thanks my man! Was a tough subject for me to 'concisely talk about'. But yes there are loftcraftian elements in that it is utterly beyond our comprehension. The way it appears in game is not really how it is - in fact it is doing mimicry in an attempt to communicate with us.
Which is just creepy.
So...Nyarlathotep?
Or Hastur, or maybe Yog-Sothoth.
We werent exactly "singled out" though, depending on how much u mean singled.
And if anything the void itself is more an entity.
Was going to say more of a 40k feel with the warp, than lovecraft..
It's space dad! He even calls us kiddo and helps us out. The void gave birth to the Tenno it spared them and gave the, powers he's just looking after his kids. Such a good dad.
Space dad is best dad.
Hes good?
@the.nerd.knight don't forget that he hates and keeps the sentients at the bay, and if something keeps those guys away it cant be that bad
yeah. And if he wants to chill in my Operators body for that, why not. Still a better parent than the Lotus xD And he guided us to the Paraceisis sword, which is nice. I'm all pro space dad, no matter what
@@vexed2576 unless your dad died to save you becoming part of your mind
-The man in the wall side of the void is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
-Is it possible to learn such power?
-Not from a tenno.
-not from the Lotus (rather)
Have you heard the tragedy, of the lidless eye?
“Have you heard the tragedy of the Orokin Empire? I thought not, it’s not a story the Tenno would tell you.”
you were the choosen one. It was said you will destroy the sentient not join them
Anakin and Palpatine conversation from theatre scene Revenge of the Sith, I remember that 🔥🤩
The deamon walks the shadows edge..
Ordis didn't notice wally but the Hemolith did.
Helminth*
@@VerystoicWhat?
That room has 3 different dialogs depending on your karma meter
I have bad karma and he cals me a Void Demon :(
It makes me edgy :) i like to bother him
My karma is half and a bit to light
Put that all aside, I think everything Rell had to go through, everything about the Chains of Harrow, everything Rell had to do, is just the saddest thing in the Warframe universe for me. :((((
Protecting people that casted you out? Rell deserves more recognition.
Even the lotus still doesnt believe rell
It doesn't help that the quest made it to where "we" pretty much abandoned and bullied him
Rell is a hero.
I like the Void-Buddy. Hope we get to have an opportunity to get along, instead of becoming enemies.
I think the void and the man in the wall is the same.
Only difference is the minds of our parents we killed got mixed to the void while in contact with it(when they went nuts) and the man in the wall was born,
thats why paladino said all of us tenno which killed our parents have to face it now as the void
StarlightFromAbyss *a schizophrenic be like:*
Same
Fck him
*Void Daddy
That chains of harrow mission was creepy af
AnimePabu I loved it
Kono Kahn
Yeah it was fun! But still scary!
AnimePabu i replayed it a few times and loved it
Agreed fam
I had to play a mission between each one to keep myself from dying of a heart attack.
It always seemed obvious that the man in the wall wanted to weaken our mental state, but I didn't really get the reason for it until I watched this video. Very strong theory you got there.
Ever seen the movie :D
From my researches on the topic, the Void that the Orokin used as some kind of divine purpose would be more the "teal void" (the missions ingame) linked to the Unum, the world of dreams. But if you take a closer look at the lines about our father and the description of the Grineer Queens, it seems to point to another thing, "starless black", the called Void we know has lights in it so I think that's something different. Ballas also always, always refers to us as "devils", "demons from that hell", how could he speak like that about the Void at this moment in history. I really think that the place we were stuck in during the zariman incident, shown in rell webcomic, is a third place, the place that Teshin mentionned.
So, different layers of Void? "Teal" Void is the closest one to reality and allows for some nifty, but short-ranged FTL (Solar Rails and Railjack). "Starless Black" is a deeper layer and allows for some long-ranged FTL (Zariman Ten-Zero jump from Sol to Tau - roughly 12 light years to cross).
That is an interesting way to look at it. It could explain why the Zariman ran into problems too.
You were right
This makes much more sense the war ln to fronts
The war without: The New War (Vs sentients)
The war within: the inner war vs the man in the wall
To which I chose to reply to the queen
"I embraced it"
Well, he's real and fucking terrifying
Fr
When this video came out "man in the wall is a figure of speech" end of 2021 "nah, he's literally a man in a wall"
JAHUUUUUUU XATAAAAAAA VOOOOOOOOMEEE
Have you ever thought about the "Rap tap tap" thing being related with the giant finger thing you found in the rail jack? You can hear like they're tapping from time to time
Holy shit. I'm five months out but i've been watching videos. This is highly probable dude.
Silly theory: The man in the wall is the original Limbo.
His last jump sent him back to the beginning of time itself and warped his energies into that of THE VOID.
That... ngl that’s a pretty good and cool hypothesis. If only there was more evidence for it :I
Well, it could be possible, although we know what happened to the original ‘frame, it got it’s components scattered, and I doubt the Tenno controlling Limbo was harmed by what happened. But what do I know, it’s Warframe, stranger things have happened.
Expect Limbo uses RIFT which is stated to be plane/dimension between void and real world.
So nope. Limbo has HALF-AS$ED void powers so he couldn't have created orginal Void from his half void.... Since how da fck would he have half-void in the first place. Paradox and not a Diviri kind.
Or perhaps its protea's tenno with her mind shattered after losing control of protea in the granum void
Nope... The man in the "wall" means the man behind the gate (void gate). "Took me long to understand what this Wall means". Orokin scientists found a way and experimented to travel freely to more places and expand their empire ecc... I answer you too late, now with new updates we have more information guess you know about them :))
If still playing the game
The man in the wall could also be the sign that we are growing as human beings. The adults on the ship were driven mad because of the void. Now we don’t dream so we are now in the regular life cycle of growth. Because our minds on the zaraman 10-0 were not fully matured we didn’t go mad. We were just children but now it’s likely we are teens with the man in the wall being the aspect of which rell saw. I see the creep a lot frequently now with the voice much more scary than before. It scares me and it drives me nuts. Now I can’t enter the orbiter without going to a relay as my first destination.
Nah, Tenno of the Old War were not in the Dream and fought long war vs Sentiens yet they didn't grow.
You hypothesis is lacking
The Tenno age much more slowly than normal aging of other beings as they both have Kuva(flesh and blood) and Oro(void and soul)
jeez, who would've thunk that the man in the wall is a man in a wall.
Update: In the Railjack, there is like a cryo pod full of smoke. If you stand next to it, the man in the wall can speak to you, he says that "you owe him one"
No its tmitw cuz when we disposed the kuva he said we owe him so hes just reminding us for where go
We should blast Man In The Box by Alice in Chains next to him with Octavia
Im from the future thats his finger
@@RecordFusionist I'm much more terrified to finally having that answer
Im from the even further future there is a big finger in the zariman that has a familiar looking red liquid extracted from
I've just realized something. On the Jovian Concorde Update new boss fight named "The Ropalolyst" we have one specific quote saying "I've seend the Wall other face". I tink the "Wall" designate the Void in which the Zariman was trap.
He does mimics everything about us, even our voice itself, and now with railjack, he uses even more voice lines, you might want to update more about this
it was literally a man in the wall the whole time
Ikr
But at the same time there’s something...eldritch about it.
The first time I heard the sound I was wearing my 7.1 sound headphone and on 60 percent volume. The moment I heard the sound on my back, eventually, I stopped thinking
Either it wants us as a bridge between worlds or it truly cares for nothing more than absolute chaos for chaos sake.
Well I just got a visit from "The Man in the Wall"
Okey my take is this.
They have not removed either Stalker or The Man in the Wall.
They must be planning something for both.
And I'm guessing both will be huge.
Stalker is basically dead
Stalker is kinda similar to Rell, an operator trapped in transference (at least is the most accepted theory). So I can see something happening whith those two...
But Stalker is stated to be part of the "Old guard", it was stated that he was lower in hierarchy than other Tenno. But at the same time he is using Warframe.
I still assume that his story is not finished and we simply do not know.
Stalker Mode might be his endgame quest where we will find answers.
@@magearamil8626 yah I know all that about him being a lower guard and all but I'm assuming there maybe some huge revelation sooner or later tied to a long story quest.
but ya failed to touch upon "the man in the wall".
what is your take???
@@starrieyedGirl haha probably our Tenno's mind, at least pary that was left in the void together with memories from Zariman and Tenno's parents. I assume that from Diviri Paradox trailer.
Grineer, Corpus, Natah, Sentients, Ballas, The Great war are all a distraction and also a strengthening for the tenno. The Tenno become extremely powerful the serve as a vessel for the man in the wall. This entity has been watching us as if children have been fighting over a toy, he laughs, he grins and he knows. All of this , all these quests will lead us to the final battle with this entity. This insanity, this madness, will overtake, will take us back, will take the gift he has given us before. He will come for you......kiddo.
Rap......Tap........Tap.
Welcome people which finished The New war quest and seeks any answers for this absolutely confusing encounter we saw, it's insanely nice to see that DE is back with good plot god damn duviri paradox is gonna be nuts like elden ring 2 i Hope lmao
The "rap, tap, tap" is repeated by Sythel (who, by the way, thinks that the Indifference was born of Master Entranti's fear) in the Kingdom of Duviri, and the Man in the Wall is sung about there too by the children (because of course the singing children are giving horrifying rhymes about something they can't see watching them). The Joy Spiral has the children singing about his smile and how they smile back, the Sorrow Spiral has them singing about how he wishes he could cry and feel sorrow, but can't, and the Envy Spiral actively talk about him wanting to be them and how they have to keep him away. Additionally, you can find a "Vagabond" in Duviri which can only be a manifestation of the Man in the Wall. A child-like Duviri citizen with the right index finger missing, same one on the wall that appears at the end of New War and the one the Operator's "demon" bends when you put in the Reliquary Drive's key, will appear in different areas depending on the Spiral, showing that the Man in the Wall isn't just affecting the Origin System, but Drifter's Paradox as well.
Its absolutely amazing how much more we know about him now after New War but still don't have all the pieces of the puzzle. He plays a big part in that story and I think we'll learn more in a future update.
I love all the lore based around the man in the wall and the void. The concept of a being beyond our comprehension trying to communicate with us amazes me, and I hope that one day the ingame choices we make have an affect, so I can truly embrace and become one with this godly being. DE, what’s taking so long kiddo?
Yes!! I was so excited when I saw this in my notification feed!! Thank you again for posting this video, keep it up! ^_^
You are most welcome! Thanks for the support
Everyone's gangster until the man in the wall rips himself out and says "Awaken, My Masters!"
This is an interpretation of the void i had the minute the war within came out
I believe the man in the wall is simply a segmented partition of the void. Its an omnipresent existence that soreads itself in the form of our abilities and overall our apparitions.
How about the void (the man in the wall)thinks we're his child since we're a hybrid of it self and the real world
I like this theory
I always thought of The Man in the Wall as the conscious manifestation of the void itself, and what it did to us, as part of its amusement. Like an all powerful God, meddling in mortal affairs to get a laugh out of it.
It will be interesting to see if he has any influence during the New War given he doesn't want to harm us, if he lead us to Ballas and the Paracesis he should realistically have some presence during the New War. Potentially we can learn weather he is the reason the Sentient disgust the void.
Welp, he did show up but there wasn't anything other than the fact that lotus knows him
I don't know why, But He makes me feel safe, I hated natah Right from the start but now after seeing him for the first time. I like him very much, his voice Is so very soothing.
ChaosLord AE agreed- however his methods when communicating are a bit unsettling.
Daydreamdirty well, how would you talk if you had no body and are a void entity?
ChaosLord AE Touché
Daydreamdirty i am honoured.
Dude u need help
reminds me of the stranger in dishonored...
Rap Tap Tap.... always weirds me out and sends chills down my spin and everywhere😞
Who else is here after we saw the literal man in the wall at the end of the new war?
Me, he actually really creeps me out especially when he started smiling.
I was super confused and freaked the fucked out
I had the same theory about the man in the wall too. After we destroyed rells vessel he somehow latched himself onto us how he is using us as his access to the physical world (same plan as he had with rell) Even though he's helping us he is doing it for his benefit later on. Maybe he wants us to succeed in the war to then take our powers to restore or transform deimos into duviri. Hence why in the trailer the tenno had no powers? And that our tenno is older...
I think you cracked rhe theory ong
This all makes sense now after the ending scene in the new war
Love this video. Going to be looking for videos explaining Limbo and his connection to TMiTW. :)
You know, I’m reminded of something from the SCP Foundation called Pattern Screamers. According to one article, the Pattern Screamers are non-existent beings that can only be perceived when a sentient being tried to comprehend utter nothingness, which is exactly what the Foundation has come across: a pure void located somewhere in Russia, a non-region lacking space, time, energy and matter.
However, the mortal mind is not equipped to deal with such utter nothing, and so it tries to overlay it with images of something that mostly make sense. As these patterns accumulate, the Pattern Screamers begin to take form and begin truly existing.
What if the Man In The Wall is something like that? Excerpt it is the Tenno who perceived the absolute nothing that is the Void on the Zariman, and thus left a kind of “pattern” for the Man to take form with.
They wanted their fathers back and the one thing they absolutely remember is him always saying hey kiddo
With new war the ending gave us the form of the man in the wall
2 years later we found out that the man in the wall is literary a man in the wall, lmao
Pretty epic we got to see the man in the wall in the new quest now!
"Crymera Prologue"
I know it was a mispronunciation, but that really sums up the Chimera Prologue really well.
“My beauty… My grace… My humanity…”
"It coiled around your tender heart"
"coiled" makes me think of a tentacle, and in the operator room on your orbiter, you can see transparent tentacles (transparent bc its in the void) behind your chair thing
It's mythos, it's what we make of it.
But it's a fun part of the game, hope they develop on the concept.
Few years later looking at this after the New War quest.
Bro I've been watching your Elden Ring videos and now find you did Warframe ones too? Couldn't ask for more
Thanks dude! Hope you enjoy!
So as it turns out... He was literally a man in a wall.
You know... It'd be interesting if our allignment will fit our tennos' ending on the story with the man in the wall.
apparently he can haunt you if u are in a relay?? I was just chillin and googling stuff and then all of a sudden i hear him.
Revisited after New War. Closest to my theory I’ve seen.
I think Operators at this point are Oull Void Dopplegangers tied to the soul of your REAL Tenno in the Void as Drifter. If Drifter in the Void dies, so does Operator. The rules in our Universe meant housing the Void in Form, Function, and Free Will/Consciousness.
New war allows physical body swaps but it is always the void-powered Doppleganger in our reality and the Soul/very mortal/killable/REAL Tenno that allows it to exist…until the Void can fully take over.
Then the real Tenno/soul dies.
So now it’s a race. Rell and Margulis can’t protect you anymore.
I say the Operator is Immortal because this is a correction after the encounter with Entrati and using mortality to stop him.
I say the MITW wants Void energy spread in our reality. The more this happens the
So it’s kind of like mind body dualism?
The drifter is our soul, and the operator is an astral projection.
Kind of like how Dr. Manhattan was separated from his intrinsic fields.
Maybe the way "the man in the wall" is acting is because the only sortof interaction with another sentient is with a young Rell. So the childlike taunting and all that is due to the template it based on Rell. Maybe from the start it didn't have much of any "personality" but was influenced and basically created by Rell's own desires after his centuries in the void. The void is a mysterious place, after all, and if it's original personality is one 'void' of emotion, it would explain why it now seemingly wants to interact with the tenno and ultimately maybe possess them and enter the 'real' world. That would have been Rell's ultimate wish, to one day return, his duty fulfilled. That one desire now twisted by the exposure to the void energies. Essentially human emotion casting a shadow into the void, lending the sentient energies new purpose.
After the new war quest a lot of things make sense
Man in the Wall: Hey Kiddo
Me: GET OFF MY SHIP YA FREELOADER!!!
Ah, good times. When I played on Switch I had no way to get to The Sacrifice so I asked for help on Global when I started fresh on Xbox, and a really nice dude helped me get past Void: Mot because he was trying to get to Chains of Harrow too. When we finished we were relaying our experiences with the quest to each other for a good while, definitely ruined the tension of walking around the empty Grineer ship though.
He sounds like a cool guy
Listening with headphones in and that rap tap tap at the beginning scared the shit out of me
Heres some food for thought. [MINOR SPOILERS AHEAD] After the new war and the concepts mentioned in that quest, the man in the wall at first could have just been hallucinations of the void but after learning of Eternalism, those hallucinations could have been actualized. The man in the wall has always been portrayed as a being that only those who have been touched by the void can see or recognize. Since our operators survived the void jump in the zariman, they were touched by the void and gained their powers, therefore they can see the man in the wall. I think the man in the wall is the physical representation of the void itself. Like, as if the entirety of the void exists as one conscious being. Now back to him just being a hallucination, if you recall during the new war when it talks about the concept of eternalism. It states that all possibilities exist at once and your decisions dictate what possibility occurs in your reality. This means that the alternate possibility will exist somewhere in a different reality. During the new war, when you are on the zariman and the man in the wall appears to offer you a deal, you shake his hand and he provides you and the other tenno with his power. I believe at this point, or probably somewhere before, is when the man in the wall became a real being. Perhaps the handshake was just the final piece he needed. At first it was just hallucinations caused by the void which is why only the tenno could see him. But after taking that deal, A new reality where the man in the wall escaped the void and became his own entity entirely was put into motion. This is why in the new war, the lotus could see and interact with the man in the wall. As to what his goal is and what purpose he serves remains to be seen. knowing DE's track record for updates, we can expect to see something about it in around 15 years
spoiler in case you haven't seen or completed new war!
12:20 holy crap this was spot on, after the last scene in NW I don't think we'll see much of the man in the wall as our doppelganger much and we'll have to learn his language as we couldn't understand him when he spoke
Does the clone still show up after NW?
@@spritemon98 hasn't for me so far
The literal man in the wall
I love warframe’s lore. It’s so deep
He’s tapping on your skull, on the edge of your mind. Like how one might knock yo gain entry into ones home
the most creepest quest i have ever played i had to keep the light on in my room bc of that quest
You may need to update this later, depending on interpretation of some Deimos lore.
Oh I went too late to say this
Here after finishing The New War
….👀
Is this leading to the Duviri Paradox
Maybe instead of possessing, he swaps places in existence with us. The older tenno maybe is trying to return home from the place that the entity lived.
I actually think so.
@@ML7WL ohhh I like this one... I'd like to confirm with you xD
I remember post Sacrifice, I'm just chilling enyoing my Excalibur Umbra. Then I see him, sitting on the codex console. I almost shit myself the first time that happened xD. Same with the end of War Withing like holy fuck!
I'm curious how your theories change after The New War! A great opportunity for a revisit
He is the finger in the railjack ship
The reason I think it taps on the glass
@@llamalover1282 wait there taping? I didn't notice
On the railjack that same voice can be heard from the back if the ship in some blue fog. For me the voice says "remember kiddo, they are nothing with out us."
That's the reliquary drive. It powers the ship and the growths coming out of it are very similar to the old construction of the Unum on the plains of eidolon. I'm pretty sure that it draws power from the void, like the orokin ripped a piece of the void out and used it as a battery of some kind.
Now we know what the Man In The Wall truly looks like.
that rap tap tap fucked me up bro i thought i'd never have to hear that terrifying shit again lol
Well…the new war was very…enlightening on TMITW
If his full body is the void and you are connected to the void, you become an extension of him. That is why can he touch you, what you see is part of him but not all of him, only enough for him to interact
For almost every living thing boredom is the worst. There are hundreds of studies in which people have deliberately hurt themselves to avoid boredom.
Maybe he uses the Tenno just to escape his boredom. Perhaps the answer to what the man's goal is quite simple: avoid boredom. Do you know the anime "That time i got reincarnated as a slime"? The dragon at the beginning also comes along with the slime, he even lets himself be wiped out of it just to escape the boredom and loneliness. I think the man in the wall just wants to see something different than the void and the tenno are the perfect medium for that. Maybe the worlds are so different that we misinterpret his actions.
Maybe he uses our father's phrase so that we have less fear and he does not seem so strange to us. Maybe he just wants to cause chaos.
I believe that DE would never choose the logical answer. They will somehow bring in a turn otherwise I would be disappointed xD
I've had a similar idea too - he wants a way to manifest somewhere other, than Void, to find at least something interesting.
Or... imagine, if he was even kinda benevolent and just wanted to give those poor fleshlings some nifty Void powers to make them closer to himself (and also to be able to manifest in reality), but adults failed to integrate with the bits of himself he gave them and went crazy.
@@caav56 Imagine him being a 'weak' one in the void. We think of him as a powerful being but in the void could exist much greater ones. I love Warframe xD
The void in my opinion is the memory and the dreaming mind of the universe. Parvos Granum discovered Specter Particels, which can take a "snapshot" of someone or something in time and then project it onto our world as a Physical object/being(such as protea, a sentient warframe without a tenno). The void contains a record of our history, even most likeley the future and perhaps possible alternate timelines and when people enter the void without protection, there minds will be overwhelmed by an incomprehensible timeflow of Past, Present and Future. For our minds only percive time linear. And the man in the wall is a) a being made form by our own memories with its own mind somehow or b) the void itself projecting in a form we can better percive
Sweet deeper insight of the man in the wall
Hope you enjoy it! :)
SmoughTown I did
This is the price you pay for being too powerful you unlock the power of the void the power to go above and beyond the power to go to other worlds.
This quest made me cringe, and gave me goosebumps.
I almost couldn't finish it, because it freaked me the hell out.
Simple fear removal tactics. Turn game volume off. Blast “Welcome to the Cum Zone” until you complete the quest and hope you don’t get a noise complaint.
I feel that this needs to be revisited with all the recent things that have happened
The bends isnt necessarily caused by going "too deep". It's caused by ascending from that depth too fast and not allowing sufficient time for the compressed gas in your blood to gradually be released through your lungs. Has the effect much like opening a can of coke... Your blood starts to form bubbles.
Yes it is more of an issue for deeper, or longer, dives... But the cause is inpropper decompression as you ascend too quickly. The longer and deeper the dive, the longer and slower you need to take the decompression/ascension.
One reason why I did not drink it. I would not drink something I do not know what it is.
I just realize how true your sentence were right now : "When he give us the void power , a part of ourself stay in the void and the other on the material world "
Hearing rap tap tap just snaps me back to a year or two ago when I did the quest. One of the most scariest experiences I've ever had in the game. I have no idea how I got through the harrow quest haha
Man the way it goes rap, tap TAP right in your head like that sounds like he's getting closer and really messes with me, not to mention the Harrow quest being pure nightmare fuel at the start
this mean the queens were once lived in the void and now?
they made their own empire? and fight the orokin that they once lived with how unfortunate
the Queen ARE Orokin, which is why they know so much about it. Only the Orokin and scientists such as Margulis have an basic understanding of how the void works
They're literal Orokin people that survived the fall. They put themselves into grineer bodies to survive over the years.
The lotus during the ropalolyst fight she mentions that his purpose is unclear and she hears his voice too
Natah* She's no longer space mom
@@CrazyDutchguys she is to me
@@doyouremebervodka9387 maybe we'll get her back
Rap tap tap always reminded me of Edgar Allen Poes The Raven.
"While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
“’Tis some visitor,” I muttered, “tapping at my chamber door-
Only this and nothing more.”
There's some weird thing I've noticed.
Considering we see the railjack finger and the entity in us talking when we approach the finger, I believe they are the entity within us talking to us.
Note the finger causes white crystal vines to grow and feed the railjack, this is seen in the liset, the void towers too, but also the derelicts with decaying crystal vines.
Which makes me think the orokin found an entity in the void and ripped it apart to use as an energy source.
However the finger boy quotes lead me to something else.
The finger boy and the man in the wall are not the same entity.
I believe you may be on to something.
Extremely well said! I really hope that DE digs even deeper with the Man in the Wall, and they're not forgotten when we get The War Within.
**(SPOILERS in this comment for those that haven't finished the Ropalolyst)**
I honestly do think they're going to tie things together, given Natah's comments on how she "has seen the wall's other face." I wonder if there's some strange hatred from the Man in the Wall towards the Sentients, since they can't enter the Void at all? I'm going to guess that they'll tie that in as well.
It does seem to me that their storyline is quite all over the place, so I'm hoping they take all the little loose ends and start pulling them together. If they do, they'll take some absolutely amazing lore, and pull together a storyline with a whole lot of depth!
Thanks again for your video. It was affirming toward what I was thinking as well!
Trying to remember where I heard the term "Void Demons" when it came to the man in the wall
I didn't know you made warframe lore when I found you, I really hope you come back to it. I love your elden ring and bloodborne videos I'll love the new warframe content too!
This is reminding me of the Gods of Chaos from 40k except a bit nicer.
In that sense, Tenno are more or less just Psykers waiting to be possessed?
Warframe seems very inspired by Warhammer
I don't think the man in the wall is a malevolent entity. I think it has a goal, but I also think it represents balance. The entity was there to show us the threat of the sentients, when the lotus abandoned us. It showed us to the weapon that would give us the best chance at surviving the sentients. It uses our own image, not our fathers, not our mothers, our own self when it presents itself to us instead. If it wanted to make us trust it, or be more receptive to it, it would choose a form like the lotus or another person we trust. It uses calm, familiar language that our father used. It isn't overtly threatening. When it first appears before us, it used to much of its presence and every time after it just appears, says something, and vanishes.
Is it benevolent? I doubt it, but I don't think it wishes for harm on us.
My theory is that it is a cosmic entity, that holds the fabric of our reality together from the inside. It felt that the sentients and by extension the orokin were a huge threat to itself and the universe at large, and so it chose one vehicle amongst hundreds of settlers and children and attempted to give them power. The adults were too old, their minds too mature to handle it, and went bonkers. A misstep on the voids part. The children, however, weren't as effected. The void children, now named tenno, learned to control their powers but were to strong and so were sealed away in the second dream. This was also a misstep, as the voids chosen were taken from it.
It had the opportunity to sieze our bodies from the first chance, and outside of the harrow quest, it itself has done no harm (which I attribute to harrows weakening grasp on reality coupled with his essence failing, so the struggles of the void to break free from harrow caused it to lash out as it did). I could be wrong, but I think at the very least it's here to help and guide us.
Is there anything that alludes to the Lotus know of The Man in the Wall? Given that we expect the New War by the end of the year, do you think there will be a clash involving the Tenno and the Sentients, where The Man in the Wall plays a role? DE jokingly referenced a "space dad" during one of the 2019 devstreams, in relation to the New War..
Kris Guy A bit late, but I don’t think so. The Lotus states many times that the void is not an entity, and not the believe what the red veil are preaching. She thinks they’re more fanatic than religious.