Thank all of you for watching. I do my best to appreciate the little things but 1,000 even 500 is massive to me. There are definitely mistakes all throughout this video 😅 but I'm so elated that you guys liked it. Look forward to more Warframe lore.
As a primary melee user, I never really liked the glave weapons. I don't like them as throwing or slicing weapons. They're just slow and unwieldy to me. I much prefer the speed and ease of use of a dual-bladed pole arm.
The Vitruvian has always made me wonder is that a form that wally pilfered from the mind of Albrecht or has Wally leaked through before in the past such as interacting with Davinci
Tbh i think the explanation is simple but more complicated the longer you think about it. Albrecht is the man in the wall, he stepped into the void and made "nothingness" into "everything". I think he was sheered into 2 separate beings, one which is his human person and the other which is the doppelganger of him (desires, needs, fears) but since he didnt make a deal or accept it (as we did) the entity chases him to attempt to close the loop. My thoughts on it
My take is something similar. I think since he albrect was the first thing the indifference witnessed, he took an imprint of him when he was in the void, and albrect is a scientist. I think the indifference is incomplete, and has the search for unknown knowledge like albrect. Giving him a reason to interact with tennos in the beginning (because their native race has high mental capacity). And also why most things that enter the void is destroyed unless it carries the drive (a copy of his finger) because they don't interest him. This would also explain why the citizens of duviri have to keep their emotions in check, to keep off his radar.
Good video and I agree. The void was feeding off Loid's bitterness towards Albrecht. It was trying to stop us from getting that final page because it knew what was in it, and that it could resolve Loid's negative emotions. Take a look at Albrecht's notes if you want to get a better idea about the Vessels and what is going on in 1999.
I mean the New War was very clear that the discovery of the Void proves the Eternalism Theron of time. So yes time travel is a part of Warframe because of the Void. Time travel is just understand that all time and all possible times exist simultaneously and perceiving the one you want. For what every reason( we problem won’t find out till 1999 if ever) December 31,1999 is a very hard place for the Man in the Wall to look(though it was not a permanent hiding place)
interesting side-idea: why would Loid calm down from the 2 statues touching? Well... what if they aren't just normal statues... The 'evil' one, was the one The Man In The Wall was constantly sitting and directing from. The 'good' one, was the one very strictly related to Albrecht, and it seems 'pacified'. What if these are in fact not just stone idols, but more akin to voodoo dolls for The Man. The 'evil' one being for Loid, who was very clearly still under influence of The Man. The 'good' one, being Albrecht's, who neutralized his own doll when he escaped The Man the first time? This would explain why Loid calmed down... He wasn't just whitnessing the touch, but he actively felt Albrecht's touch... on the same cheek as Albrecht touched when he left, might I add. And the reason why Albrecht seems to be under control of The Man now, is due to his insistence to return, giving The Man enough opening to 'relink' to Albrecht.
I really like the idea of voodoo. I mean technically all the tenno are puppet masters. Our powers originate from the indifference so it wouldn't be too far off to say that he can do what we do on a much larger scale.
That's a cool idea. How I interpreted it is that he calmed down because of what Albrecht said leading up to it (resolving much of the resentment that Loid had for him), and because that action mirrored Albrecht's gesture at the beginning of the quest. Loid no doubt is remembering that scene very vividly at the end there.
maybe. but we know that one of the vessels was used for arthur or is arthur(i’m not sure which) because our tenno ends up being transferred into them when we use the computer iirc
One theory I have is that "We end as we began" is referring to the Tenno. Where did we start? Scared. Powerless. Unable to help our friends. Making a deal. What if we end losing our powers, as we never give back to the Indifference. What if we end scared, powerless, and unable to save our allies? (Maybe it can end in a final showdown, having our minds pulled from the transferrence pods that ordis hastily fixed when our powers were lost?)
That begs the question. What will happen to the tennos' powers once the Indifference is defeated or restrained in some way? What's keeping Wally from taking back the bargain that we have now betrayed?
each finger is power. there are lots of small details around the labs that hint to the 8 words being the 8 digits of 2 hands, and that the missing digit is khra time, which is why the man in the wall cant easily get to Albrecht across block time in 1999. the finger has been cloned on mass for use in void travel, allowing to pierce the void. but beyond that albreacht has been able to travel beyond more and cross block time to hide in another time. the deal is most properly to get him his finger back. the 8 words effects and be seen when in the void as well. NETRA decay, argon stayed in crystal form in the void, argon is a noble gas and in solid form is an ice which evaporates, the fact the towers never dirty or age beyond the ones that left the void and became the derelicts. RIS light, look at the void and inverse sky black stars like pin holes in a white sky JAHU form XATA truth. the conceptual embodiments that plague travelers who lack emotional control showing them the truth of their inner selves VOME order FASS chaos, that seems pretty self explanatory Khra time, how entering the void traveling through it and return form the void will arrive you in a new space without time having passed any where near as much as would be required outside of the void. LOHK void. an empty space in of itself a vacuum or chasm sperate to normal space
What I think "summoned' Man in the Wall to Albrecht that faithfull day was his desperation- a tenacious, intresting being that dared to breach in. Imagine an ant showing this intrigue towards you
Ballas' form isn't the "final" form. Orokin are humans but some of them (usually the powerful) chose to modify their bodies solely for vanity. It was considered cool and good looking to be blue and have a long arm. Not all Orokin did this, tho. Margulis or Yonta are good examples.
This video's production value is really well put together and REALLY well done, this channel must be a lore oficionado that I don't know about, he must have more videos on his channel about other lore- 142 Subscribers?!!?!?? This MUST change, you MUST gain traction, this is WAY too good of a video to be on a no name channel, which you are NOT!
Vitruvian man - I dont think that is its true form. I think that void is in it self formless, It desires now to take form, now that it encountered a human being - Oroking scientist. But also concider this. Vitruvian man is part of the message that has been sent in to space in the decades ago. Maybe the void learned this form there.
Dude I fucking hate how the writing for Warframes story been ever since they introduced the Drifter. It’s like some weird fuckin art college student and writing it and they’re just writing none-sense that doesn’t make any sense and thinking it’s some profound deep shit when it isn’t. Irs like every dialogue piece is just a series of double negatives and contradictions it’s so annoying
Thanks to eternalism time travel is pointless because now there exist 2 timelines, one in which you went back in time altering the natural course of events and one you didn't.
It's super confusing because technically if you go back in time it doesn't alter your future. It just creates an alternate timeline. But I don't know how paradoxical relationships work in Warframe.
Alter the past and the future that led to you going to the past for that reason stops existing. Unless the time travel is essentially self stabilizing, meaning that whatever you do in the past always needed to be done, so when you did it you didn't alter the time stream you enabled it to flow as it would've. It's dumb.@@PenOfEvil
Thanks for enlightening me. After my play through I understood the animals story but the giant Warframe in the Sanctum left me confused. I usually understand things better when I replay the quests.
24:49 1999 was said to be the only place that HE could not easily follow. Meaning that once the clock turns 12, it is too late to help Albrecht. And i do believe the infested shown during the 1999 segment are supposed to be related to the Y2K incident, although im not sure as to why they had appeared before the new millenium
That's an amazing observation! I was actually looking into the infested and their origin and I believe 1999 has something to do with it. I also believe that the infested and the indifference have a relationship that we aren't seeing as well. But I'll leave that theory in the clip for now.
@@PenOfEvil before tennocon 2023 there were 2 or 3 Nora related pages with stories from the universe. One about a mining colony on Phobos, and the other two being Latrox and (Necra)Loid. The Infested om Deimos, the Gray Strain, are afraid.
I personally think it doesn't matter if we chose the good or bad side because at the the doppelganger its getting what he wants opening the void more like duviri it appeared out of nowhere or zariman they all still connected to the void and i guess that the the man in the wall will end up escaping or expanding the void ether will give him his freedom
Thank you for this video I literally wouldn’t have understood this story if it wasn’t for your video it’s always left to the players interpolation at most time kinda like it is with all the Souls game I would Love a video about Bloodborne Lore 🤩
Man in the wall is so far perfect "villain". Am not much sure he even is, yet his or maybe better, its acts are seen as evil, twisted. All fun ends when it appears, small skirmishes there and there, but you know its bad when you hear its voice and feel its immense presence. Whispers in the wall was nice, but made a mess in my mind even more. If Albrecht was one of Orokin, then why he was small? All others Entrati are bigger in stature, blue shining eyes etc. Ballas was pretty much the same. And another question, aren't we, operators, Orokin origin aswell? I may be wrong, but wasn't Zariman ship theirs? But back to title of this video, I think personaly that the Man in the Wall is omnipresent, time doesn't matter for it, it is where it desire to be and when.
Technically shouldn't limbo either be the most op weapon we have or be taken by the void a while ago? Or is it a bit like the different strands of time? He uses "unused" timeliness as weapon?
Ok, hear me out; the indifference is a vast, ancient being, but also a being that is almost given form and ability by the minds and life in the world of dust. It occurs to me to think of this: if each of the microscopic cells in our bodies were sentient and capable of individual life and sense, would they not view us as a being of infinite power and vast indifference? Capable of sweeping in for inscrutable reasons destroying their individual existence and fleeting lives? What if the void is a greater being made up of all the lives of dust together, with it’s own will and troubles but depending on billions for its continuance? This would explain the symbolism of the shattered void beings all made up of body parts trying to come together to challenge us.
I don' t think its "backward in time" time travel, i think its "another universe" time travel, one causes paradoxes, the other doesn't and uhh earth being taken over by the infested in 1999 seems like a paradox. as in how tf did people survive to the future for albrecht to be born and go back in time to cause the breakout? Short Answer: Multiverse time travel
Wait, if the indifference gets stronger and do some stuff based on the mood of Loid, that explains the scene when the Cavias die after the frustration that Loid accumulated betweem the arguments they had, but at the end they revive because Loid started cry meaning he would have missed them? If thats so, this "indifference" is more interesting than I thought! I mean, of how can interact with people, directly or indirectly. Another question I have, why Albert was there when the indifference was talking about the deal he made with the tenno? Is he connected to the deal too?
Great video! Subbing for future Warframe lore! Loid charging at an eldritch entity at the end and screaming that he wouldn't let the Indifference win made me laugh. I wasn't sure what was going on throughout the questline until I started reading more into it, but I'm still quite a bit confused. This chapter has raised a bunch of questions for me and left very few answers. 11:55 PM on December 31st, 1999 is a very specific date and time and Arthur looks somewhat like Hayden Tenno from Dark Sector, which is not surprising given that Warframe uses much of Dark Sector's terms and themes as it was Warframe's spiritual predecessor. We're still not sure what the actual terms of the agreement between us and the Man in the Wall during the Zariman accident were or what Albrecht's true intentions really are. I'm really looking forward to future story quests.
From what I understood, the man in wall let us escape the void but he collapsed the infinite timelines that Eternalism suggests into just 2: The dreamer (that can't age any more) and the drifter. However, we still don't know what the man in the wall got out of this. My guess is that the man in the wall, always interested in the real world, uses the connection he established to observe us and therefor the real world.
Something i want to bring up is the computer in the lab under the note "The sentinel" it reads "Rell had voluntarily assumed the duty of keeping the Origin System safe from a Void-based entity referred to as the 'man in the wall' - 'The man in the wall' is identical with the entity known to us as 'the indifference'" these notes state that the man in the wall is void based therefor meaning it came from the void and saying hes identical to the indifference which means they are seperate. If they werent the same then i believe they would have made their wording more clear rather than saying they were identical. You wouldnt call something identical to itself... right?
I see where the confusion is coming from but just to remind you both can be true. It can indeed be two different things. The indifference does not abide by any natural laws we know of. It has shown up as many different things, in different places, at the same time and different times. Convoluted I know.
I would agree with your speculation and in fact go as so far to say its not speculation at all, but observation to detail. The man in the wall seems to be a representation of the void and this would all make sense. The void predates all and is the beginning and end and exist beyond time and so does tmitw. He also seems to be need of a vessel since the void cannot interact on a physical level in reality. What you mentioned about rell supports this. Not only that, self evidently he cannot appear physically without a host, otherwise he would have. His first attempted host seems to be the scientist. He attempted to be the scientist and be all that he was, hence why he could not speak, see or recognize himself anymore. This also alludes to the void/tmitw itself, with it representing nothing, and to be something in physical reality, it needs a physical form, the tenno. The tenno is best option of all possibilities, one who could rule over the physical and void. But i think this is what could make the tenno more powerful than the void since the void is limited in many ways and operates much like femto, or "god" in one punch man, in that he can only affect you spiritually, and mentally but nothing more. He can also hop through the timestream, but hes still very limited.
Yes! That's essentially what I could understand. Tmitw is a vastly limited being, but so massive in scope that we can't fathom how he could be limited.
Can someone explain in short version who is who in this game, without Shakespeare’s bullshit. Is it humans fighting gods or aliens? If they are humans. When this game launched everything was pretty simple in game play and lore, i have not played for almost year decided to come back and I see this crap hits shelves.
The sequence in 1999 is on 31 of December, and if you look behind Albrecht when he speaks, behind him there is a clock at exacly 11:59 pm, and as it turns to 12:00 pm, "Albrecht" smiles. I think this means that he is the real Albrecht as he says "You are late". And we were indeed late, for as 1999 comes to a close and the clock hits 12:00 pm, the Indifference takes over. We have to go back to 1999 BEFORE the year ends.
Find it out of no where they would pick the final destination song for arthurs flash back. A song that was meant for a movie about a world where fate is inevitable and can not be escaped. As in if you knew when you were going to die you could not prevent it no matter what.
being blue and long limbs were like a fashion statement to the richer orokin that’s why the tenno and others on the zariman aren’t blue despite them all being orokin
7:14 He's not getting stronger or gaining more freedom. It's explained in the sanctum computer that his attention towards the origin system has increased after Ballas opened numerous void portals, iirc
What is being said in the computer by Albrecht is Albrecht theorizing. Not what is happening. Its motive, circumstances and or rules that it follows are still completely unknown.
Here I thought the term paracausal was purely a Destiny idiom/piece of lingo to redefine magic in that universe. Guess you learn something new every day. That said, kudos to DE for making the evolution of their IP's Lovecraftian big bad more compelling amd consistent than Bungie's.
I still have no idea what the darkness and the traveler have to do with each other, because it's laced with way too much ambiguity. "I don't have time to explain, why I don't have time to explain." 😐
@PenOfEvil Recent lore hints that they were once one unified force or power. However, the Darkness is just now one side of that paracausal coin, as indifferentas the Man in the Wall. Perhaps moreso. The Big Bad Darkness enemy is now a gestalt being calling Itself the Witness, seeking to fashion a Final Shape for the universe. But granted, its motivations or what rhat Final Shape really is are still yet to be fully explained.
"Paracausality" was coined first in Destiny, yes, but it follows typical linguistic structure for how words were invented in the past. "Para-" meaning "beside" while "causal" meaning "relating to cause and effect." From there, it's not hard for us to figure out what "paracausality" means.
@@PenOfEvilthe traveler doesnt really have much to do with the darkness by default. Its only because he gave powers to a race of meganihilists who want to use the travelers powers plus darkness powers to rewrite reality.
You never explained why Entrati was in the end cutscene and speaking with the man in the wall. Is Entrati now evil or something? Was that Entrati? Do we even know where Entrati is?
My bad😅. 1. Albrecht's alignment is unknown. 2. I'm sure that's what he looked like, I don't believe it was actually him though. 3. He is somewhere in the past most likely, or he is dead. I highly doubt he is dead though because I believe Warframe 1999 will be us going back in time to find him. I could be wrong though.
Bru most players all ready had it figured out are void powers come from rell rell is the void we are the man in the wall we have been rell all along remember what the guy said did I escape or did the other we are the other I hate when noobs try to make a big deal out of something that's all ready been solved
It's quite confusing so I don't blame you. When you go back to 1999 Albrecht (the man in the wall version) says to Arthur "You're late". I don't know what we're late for, but that's the best conclusion I could come up with.
@@PenOfEvil Great video btw! It broke things down considering the vastness of the lore and I loved it! :) So here's from what I took from it as far as the 'too late' part. Albrecht deeply cared about Loid and his work but as long as 'it' was chasing him down, it would put his work and Loid in danger. So he left Loid and his work behind & went back in time to keep whatever it was that following him away from Loid. The fact that when we finally saw Albrecht and Kalymos, he had this creepy smile (like our doppelganger) after saying that we were late. Loid mentioned that Albrecht never ever smiled like that before the Void. To me, the too late part was that by the time 'Arthur' was able to get to Albrecht, "it" must have found Albrecht and infected/possessed him. Hence that creepy smile and the Void vapor surrounding him. But it sounds like there's a chance to go back in time again Doctor Who-style or something and not be late 'next time'. But that's just me. I have other half-baked theories but I guess we'll just have to 'wait and see'. :) Again, excellent work on the video~
@@JameelahRasheed3376 I don't think that theory is half-baked at all. Without further proof that's pretty much all we can safely assume. Very good! Thank you!!🙌😁
Thank all of you for watching. I do my best to appreciate the little things but 1,000 even 500 is massive to me. There are definitely mistakes all throughout this video 😅 but I'm so elated that you guys liked it. Look forward to more Warframe lore.
Any clues on why lois destroyed the machine Albrecht was in in the first cinematics we see when entering the lab?
We just witnessed something so rare no one has ever seen it before. Someone using the Glaive Prime as a melee weapon instead of a throwing weapon..
Yes we exist. 😂 I tried very hard not to blow everything up.🫡
Wait that how your supposed to use it?
I use it like that
Go out side imma use weapons how I please fam💀 warframe ment to mix up whatever it’s about having fun don’t look too deep
As a primary melee user, I never really liked the glave weapons. I don't like them as throwing or slicing weapons. They're just slow and unwieldy to me. I much prefer the speed and ease of use of a dual-bladed pole arm.
The Vitruvian has always made me wonder is that a form that wally pilfered from the mind of Albrecht or has Wally leaked through before in the past such as interacting with Davinci
Love the idea of calling him Wally
I'm calling him wally from now on 👍
♫tell me doctor, Where are we going this time♪ Is it the fifties, or 1999♫
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I love the fact that the Orokin are responsible for absolutely every problem in warframes future.
They had god awful leadership lol
Just like humans 💀
I just realized that we as tenno are warlocks with an eldritch god patron.
not anymore
HE IS ANGRY AT YOU!
You *JUST* realized that?!
Tbh i think the explanation is simple but more complicated the longer you think about it. Albrecht is the man in the wall, he stepped into the void and made "nothingness" into "everything". I think he was sheered into 2 separate beings, one which is his human person and the other which is the doppelganger of him (desires, needs, fears) but since he didnt make a deal or accept it (as we did) the entity chases him to attempt to close the loop. My thoughts on it
My take is something similar. I think since he albrect was the first thing the indifference witnessed, he took an imprint of him when he was in the void, and albrect is a scientist. I think the indifference is incomplete, and has the search for unknown knowledge like albrect. Giving him a reason to interact with tennos in the beginning (because their native race has high mental capacity). And also why most things that enter the void is destroyed unless it carries the drive (a copy of his finger) because they don't interest him. This would also explain why the citizens of duviri have to keep their emotions in check, to keep off his radar.
Good video and I agree. The void was feeding off Loid's bitterness towards Albrecht. It was trying to stop us from getting that final page because it knew what was in it, and that it could resolve Loid's negative emotions. Take a look at Albrecht's notes if you want to get a better idea about the Vessels and what is going on in 1999.
Actually, I've been looking through them for some future videos.
Imagine you are attacked by zombies made of tvs, flesh and a computer
I'm gonna use that as the intro to a video 😂
I mean the New War was very clear that the discovery of the Void proves the Eternalism Theron of time. So yes time travel is a part of Warframe because of the Void. Time travel is just understand that all time and all possible times exist simultaneously and perceiving the one you want.
For what every reason( we problem won’t find out till 1999 if ever) December 31,1999 is a very hard place for the Man in the Wall to look(though it was not a permanent hiding place)
Indeed, 1999 here we come!
interesting side-idea:
why would Loid calm down from the 2 statues touching?
Well... what if they aren't just normal statues... The 'evil' one, was the one The Man In The Wall was constantly sitting and directing from.
The 'good' one, was the one very strictly related to Albrecht, and it seems 'pacified'.
What if these are in fact not just stone idols, but more akin to voodoo dolls for The Man. The 'evil' one being for Loid, who was very clearly still under influence of The Man. The 'good' one, being Albrecht's, who neutralized his own doll when he escaped The Man the first time? This would explain why Loid calmed down... He wasn't just whitnessing the touch, but he actively felt Albrecht's touch... on the same cheek as Albrecht touched when he left, might I add.
And the reason why Albrecht seems to be under control of The Man now, is due to his insistence to return, giving The Man enough opening to 'relink' to Albrecht.
I really like the idea of voodoo. I mean technically all the tenno are puppet masters. Our powers originate from the indifference so it wouldn't be too far off to say that he can do what we do on a much larger scale.
That's a cool idea. How I interpreted it is that he calmed down because of what Albrecht said leading up to it (resolving much of the resentment that Loid had for him), and because that action mirrored Albrecht's gesture at the beginning of the quest. Loid no doubt is remembering that scene very vividly at the end there.
maybe. but we know that one of the vessels was used for arthur or is arthur(i’m not sure which) because our tenno ends up being transferred into them when we use the computer iirc
One theory I have is that "We end as we began" is referring to the Tenno. Where did we start? Scared. Powerless. Unable to help our friends. Making a deal.
What if we end losing our powers, as we never give back to the Indifference. What if we end scared, powerless, and unable to save our allies?
(Maybe it can end in a final showdown, having our minds pulled from the transferrence pods that ordis hastily fixed when our powers were lost?)
That begs the question. What will happen to the tennos' powers once the Indifference is defeated or restrained in some way? What's keeping Wally from taking back the bargain that we have now betrayed?
Damn this should get more views, Im so interested in the lore but not many people do a lore video. love it bro
One day we'll make them like it.Thank you for the support!🙏
each finger is power. there are lots of small details around the labs that hint to the 8 words being the 8 digits of 2 hands, and that the missing digit is khra time, which is why the man in the wall cant easily get to Albrecht across block time in 1999. the finger has been cloned on mass for use in void travel, allowing to pierce the void. but beyond that albreacht has been able to travel beyond more and cross block time to hide in another time.
the deal is most properly to get him his finger back.
the 8 words effects and be seen when in the void as well.
NETRA decay, argon stayed in crystal form in the void, argon is a noble gas and in solid form is an ice which evaporates, the fact the towers never dirty or age beyond the ones that left the void and became the derelicts.
RIS light, look at the void and inverse sky black stars like pin holes in a white sky
JAHU form XATA truth. the conceptual embodiments that plague travelers who lack emotional control showing them the truth of their inner selves
VOME order FASS chaos, that seems pretty self explanatory
Khra time, how entering the void traveling through it and return form the void will arrive you in a new space without time having passed any where near as much as would be required outside of the void.
LOHK void. an empty space in of itself a vacuum or chasm sperate to normal space
What I think "summoned' Man in the Wall to Albrecht that faithfull day was his desperation- a tenacious, intresting being that dared to breach in.
Imagine an ant showing this intrigue towards you
Or look at it this way, Wally's invasive interest in the material world is supposed to be a mirror to Albrecht's interest in the void.
Whispers in the Balls
My question is why albert looks human while his full family are orokin
Continuity. I believe he switched bodies one last time.
Ballas' form isn't the "final" form. Orokin are humans but some of them (usually the powerful) chose to modify their bodies solely for vanity. It was considered cool and good looking to be blue and have a long arm.
Not all Orokin did this, tho. Margulis or Yonta are good examples.
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He chose to keep that skin after incountering the entiry.
The Orokin are Human, they just genetically modified themselves, literally the only inhuman things in Warframe are the Sentients and the Infected
loved the video, would love to see more warframe lore from an interested new player. timeline video?
I got some more coming soon! 🫡
19:50 hearing Fishstarion in warframe in all of it's full glory is trully amazing.
Absolutely 😂
This video's production value is really well put together and REALLY well done, this channel must be a lore oficionado that I don't know about, he must have more videos on his channel about other lore-
142 Subscribers?!!?!?? This MUST change, you MUST gain traction, this is WAY too good of a video to be on a no name channel, which you are NOT!
Thank you so much!🙌🥹
U didn't mention the depictions of the zariman deity on the walls where the entrance to the lab is
No spoilers 🤫 Zariman video incoming.
@@PenOfEvil : o
Vitruvian man - I dont think that is its true form. I think that void is in it self formless, It desires now to take form, now that it encountered a human being - Oroking scientist. But also concider this. Vitruvian man is part of the message that has been sent in to space in the decades ago. Maybe the void learned this form there.
Dude I fucking hate how the writing for Warframes story been ever since they introduced the Drifter. It’s like some weird fuckin art college student and writing it and they’re just writing none-sense that doesn’t make any sense and thinking it’s some profound deep shit when it isn’t. Irs like every dialogue piece is just a series of double negatives and contradictions it’s so annoying
Wow, subbed. Well put together dude. Amazing video. Hope you do well from this.
I honestly appreciate it🥹.
Thanks to eternalism time travel is pointless because now there exist 2 timelines, one in which you went back in time altering the natural course of events and one you didn't.
It's super confusing because technically if you go back in time it doesn't alter your future. It just creates an alternate timeline. But I don't know how paradoxical relationships work in Warframe.
Alter the past and the future that led to you going to the past for that reason stops existing. Unless the time travel is essentially self stabilizing, meaning that whatever you do in the past always needed to be done, so when you did it you didn't alter the time stream you enabled it to flow as it would've. It's dumb.@@PenOfEvil
Thanks for enlightening me. After my play through I understood the animals story but the giant Warframe in the Sanctum left me confused. I usually understand things better when I replay the quests.
Glad I could help!
This is a super well made lore video nicely done!
I'm glad you like it!
I really like the tidbits of information you manage pull together thanks for this
I'm happy you liked it!!!
this really reminds me of similar things that happened in path of exile... Imagine if the two were in the same universe somehow...
6:05
Small thing with this entry, it says 'close it' at the bottom right. It only says it on this entry.
I didn't even catch that😯
24:49 1999 was said to be the only place that HE could not easily follow. Meaning that once the clock turns 12, it is too late to help Albrecht.
And i do believe the infested shown during the 1999 segment are supposed to be related to the Y2K incident, although im not sure as to why they had appeared before the new millenium
That's an amazing observation! I was actually looking into the infested and their origin and I believe 1999 has something to do with it. I also believe that the infested and the indifference have a relationship that we aren't seeing as well. But I'll leave that theory in the clip for now.
@@PenOfEvil before tennocon 2023 there were 2 or 3 Nora related pages with stories from the universe. One about a mining colony on Phobos, and the other two being Latrox and (Necra)Loid. The Infested om Deimos, the Gray Strain, are afraid.
So we can get a ww2 themed frame
😮 you're on to something. Or a time based Warframe.
@@PenOfEvilprotea you mean? :p
Better than anything Hollywood has come up with the last 20 years.
I personally think it doesn't matter if we chose the good or bad side because at the the doppelganger its getting what he wants opening the void more like duviri it appeared out of nowhere or zariman they all still connected to the void and i guess that the the man in the wall will end up escaping or expanding the void ether will give him his freedom
you know that this time is fuking serious to tenno survival when you see the fuking JOTARO KUJO joining the man in the wall
Lol 🤣
Thank you for this video I literally wouldn’t have understood this story if it wasn’t for your video it’s always left to the players interpolation at most time kinda like it is with all the Souls game
I would Love a video about Bloodborne Lore 🤩
I'm glad I could provide clarity!
Man in the wall is so far perfect "villain". Am not much sure he even is, yet his or maybe better, its acts are seen as evil, twisted. All fun ends when it appears, small skirmishes there and there, but you know its bad when you hear its voice and feel its immense presence.
Whispers in the wall was nice, but made a mess in my mind even more.
If Albrecht was one of Orokin, then why he was small? All others Entrati are bigger in stature, blue shining eyes etc.
Ballas was pretty much the same.
And another question, aren't we, operators, Orokin origin aswell? I may be wrong, but wasn't Zariman ship theirs?
But back to title of this video, I think personaly that the Man in the Wall is omnipresent, time doesn't matter for it, it is where it desire to be and when.
Technically shouldn't limbo either be the most op weapon we have or be taken by the void a while ago? Or is it a bit like the different strands of time? He uses "unused" timeliness as weapon?
You deserve way more subs. This is one of the best break downs I’ve seen so far!!
Thank you !!!🥹🙌🙏
Ok, hear me out; the indifference is a vast, ancient being, but also a being that is almost given form and ability by the minds and life in the world of dust.
It occurs to me to think of this: if each of the microscopic cells in our bodies were sentient and capable of individual life and sense, would they not view us as a being of infinite power and vast indifference? Capable of sweeping in for inscrutable reasons destroying their individual existence and fleeting lives? What if the void is a greater being made up of all the lives of dust together, with it’s own will and troubles but depending on billions for its continuance? This would explain the symbolism of the shattered void beings all made up of body parts trying to come together to challenge us.
Very cool my guy....subbed
Thank you!!🎉
I don' t think its "backward in time" time travel, i think its "another universe" time travel, one causes paradoxes, the other doesn't and uhh earth being taken over by the infested in 1999 seems like a paradox. as in how tf did people survive to the future for albrecht to be born and go back in time to cause the breakout?
Short Answer: Multiverse time travel
Yeah... He can... Because if you can go back in the lore of Protea, she was created by Ballas and Alad V, one of her powers was time travel. So...
Wait, if the indifference gets stronger and do some stuff based on the mood of Loid, that explains the scene when the Cavias die after the frustration that Loid accumulated betweem the arguments they had, but at the end they revive because Loid started cry meaning he would have missed them?
If thats so, this "indifference" is more interesting than I thought! I mean, of how can interact with people, directly or indirectly.
Another question I have, why Albert was there when the indifference was talking about the deal he made with the tenno? Is he connected to the deal too?
Great video! Subbing for future Warframe lore!
Loid charging at an eldritch entity at the end and screaming that he wouldn't let the Indifference win made me laugh. I wasn't sure what was going on throughout the questline until I started reading more into it, but I'm still quite a bit confused. This chapter has raised a bunch of questions for me and left very few answers. 11:55 PM on December 31st, 1999 is a very specific date and time and Arthur looks somewhat like Hayden Tenno from Dark Sector, which is not surprising given that Warframe uses much of Dark Sector's terms and themes as it was Warframe's spiritual predecessor.
We're still not sure what the actual terms of the agreement between us and the Man in the Wall during the Zariman accident were or what Albrecht's true intentions really are. I'm really looking forward to future story quests.
From what I understood, the man in wall let us escape the void but he collapsed the infinite timelines that Eternalism suggests into just 2: The dreamer (that can't age any more) and the drifter. However, we still don't know what the man in the wall got out of this. My guess is that the man in the wall, always interested in the real world, uses the connection he established to observe us and therefor the real world.
i just want to be able to replay the quest
Word
I honestly all ways wonder what earth looked
Me too🤔
Something i want to bring up is the computer in the lab under the note "The sentinel" it reads "Rell had voluntarily assumed the duty of keeping the Origin System safe from a Void-based entity referred to as the 'man in the wall' - 'The man in the wall' is identical with the entity known to us as 'the indifference'" these notes state that the man in the wall is void based therefor meaning it came from the void and saying hes identical to the indifference which means they are seperate. If they werent the same then i believe they would have made their wording more clear rather than saying they were identical. You wouldnt call something identical to itself... right?
I see where the confusion is coming from but just to remind you both can be true. It can indeed be two different things. The indifference does not abide by any natural laws we know of. It has shown up as many different things, in different places, at the same time and different times. Convoluted I know.
Some of them random giants have random heart beat sounds this the ruins heart of demois is no where near here
I would agree with your speculation and in fact go as so far to say its not speculation at all, but observation to detail. The man in the wall seems to be a representation of the void and this would all make sense. The void predates all and is the beginning and end and exist beyond time and so does tmitw. He also seems to be need of a vessel since the void cannot interact on a physical level in reality. What you mentioned about rell supports this. Not only that, self evidently he cannot appear physically without a host, otherwise he would have. His first attempted host seems to be the scientist. He attempted to be the scientist and be all that he was, hence why he could not speak, see or recognize himself anymore. This also alludes to the void/tmitw itself, with it representing nothing, and to be something in physical reality, it needs a physical form, the tenno. The tenno is best option of all possibilities, one who could rule over the physical and void. But i think this is what could make the tenno more powerful than the void since the void is limited in many ways and operates much like femto, or "god" in one punch man, in that he can only affect you spiritually, and mentally but nothing more. He can also hop through the timestream, but hes still very limited.
Yes! That's essentially what I could understand. Tmitw is a vastly limited being, but so massive in scope that we can't fathom how he could be limited.
I just keep thinking of Dune with the voice he keeps pulling up
You only have 200+ subs? Yeah that needs to change after this video. Great video
Thank you for the support!! 🙏
Everything besides the orokin second dream old new war story line in ass. Duviri etc wasn't good story wise
I respect it 👍
Great video , simple and understable
Glad it was helpful!🙌
Can someone explain in short version who is who in this game, without Shakespeare’s bullshit. Is it humans fighting gods or aliens? If they are humans. When this game launched everything was pretty simple in game play and lore, i have not played for almost year decided to come back and I see this crap hits shelves.
I think the problem is that even the people like me explaining it are theorizing because we also don't know the full truth.
I’m not there in a story yet so I’m not gonna watch this I just wanna know why they make this foo look like Eminem shit ruining my immersion
🤣🤣😭😭 facts
one thing i do want from this is that AK, just because memes.
but i will not lie NIN was a very unexpected thing to hear in warframe
The AK is gonna be broken lol
@@PenOfEvil one way or the other. It's the tactical maraca on one end, actually well built the other.
I don't think 1999 is the real place in the past. For all that they shown it probably is a construct like Duviri,
Maybe🤔
Nice video but goddamn your background music too loud. 😮💨
My bad. I'll fix it with the next one 😁
Can we stop using bad time travel troupes. For the love of god.
It's a 50 50 whether or not it's good or bad
8:11 ok but who else wants this ringtone?
Thank you for the video dude!
Thank you even more for watching !🙏
What is the name of the background music? (in the beginning)
Ambient space music in Filmora 😁
its not time travel. its eternalism :D
My mistake 😂🫡
The sequence in 1999 is on 31 of December, and if you look behind Albrecht when he speaks, behind him there is a clock at exacly 11:59 pm, and as it turns to 12:00 pm, "Albrecht" smiles.
I think this means that he is the real Albrecht as he says "You are late". And we were indeed late, for as 1999 comes to a close and the clock hits 12:00 pm, the Indifference takes over.
We have to go back to 1999 BEFORE the year ends.
Well no but yes but no bcs in void there is no time so he not time travle but in our realm it is time travle but is not xd
And cue the confusion 😂
@@PenOfEvil one word
Warframe
Find it out of no where they would pick the final destination song for arthurs flash back. A song that was meant for a movie about a world where fate is inevitable and can not be escaped. As in if you knew when you were going to die you could not prevent it no matter what.
the man in the wall possessed lotus
she smiled when he was "gone", if you notice he jumped to her
and then she said "i am not one, there are voices"
otak never spoke!!
Yeah, Eternalism. Time is of no consequence
Also, Albrecht..why not so blue?
being blue and long limbs were like a fashion statement to the richer orokin that’s why the tenno and others on the zariman aren’t blue despite them all being orokin
Albrecht was given new skin by loid because his old body was all messed up after his first encounter with the void
@@isaiahguillen9299 really? Do you know where some is lore is? I'd like to know more..
@@StiffAftermath I would suggest going onto the warframe wiki to the orokin page under culture you might be able to find some more things
Gaze accuse and deny like xaku lol
I'm glad someone mentioned it 😂
Y2K
Y2K!
who owns the other fingers?
It's kinda weird because it says fingers as if it was multiple but he is only missing one finger.
7:14
He's not getting stronger or gaining more freedom. It's explained in the sanctum computer that his attention towards the origin system has increased after Ballas opened numerous void portals, iirc
What is being said in the computer by Albrecht is Albrecht theorizing. Not what is happening. Its motive, circumstances and or rules that it follows are still completely unknown.
I don't think it's time travel' there just where they need to be when it needs to be
That's an interesting perspective.
I hope in the future he could be used again
Woah
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You explained a great deal to me! This was such an in-depth video!
Glad it was helpful!
Here I thought the term paracausal was purely a Destiny idiom/piece of lingo to redefine magic in that universe. Guess you learn something new every day.
That said, kudos to DE for making the evolution of their IP's Lovecraftian big bad more compelling amd consistent than Bungie's.
I still have no idea what the darkness and the traveler have to do with each other, because it's laced with way too much ambiguity. "I don't have time to explain, why I don't have time to explain." 😐
@PenOfEvil Recent lore hints that they were once one unified force or power. However, the Darkness is just now one side of that paracausal coin, as indifferentas the Man in the Wall. Perhaps moreso. The Big Bad Darkness enemy is now a gestalt being calling Itself the Witness, seeking to fashion a Final Shape for the universe. But granted, its motivations or what rhat Final Shape really is are still yet to be fully explained.
"Paracausality" was coined first in Destiny, yes, but it follows typical linguistic structure for how words were invented in the past. "Para-" meaning "beside" while "causal" meaning "relating to cause and effect." From there, it's not hard for us to figure out what "paracausality" means.
@@PenOfEvilthe traveler doesnt really have much to do with the darkness by default. Its only because he gave powers to a race of meganihilists who want to use the travelers powers plus darkness powers to rewrite reality.
what about the cat
that book its a fukking joke ....dude....not ...a ''powerfull weapons ''' ...!!!
😂
Sound like we need limbo to save the day 👏🏽
Limbo should technically be the strongest Warframe imo 🤔
Why CC auto translate doesn't working? I can't understand so much while subs just only English :(
What language do you speak?
@@PenOfEvilthanks for reply. Turkish but doesn't matter. Can't see translate button in CC options. This button solves all problems 😂
@@koludemirden I'm sorry, I wish I could help more. 😅
You never explained why Entrati was in the end cutscene and speaking with the man in the wall. Is Entrati now evil or something? Was that Entrati? Do we even know where Entrati is?
My bad😅. 1. Albrecht's alignment is unknown. 2. I'm sure that's what he looked like, I don't believe it was actually him though. 3. He is somewhere in the past most likely, or he is dead. I highly doubt he is dead though because I believe Warframe 1999 will be us going back in time to find him. I could be wrong though.
@@PenOfEvil So the answer is there's no lore answer or anything, this quest just threw lots of curveballs that we know nothing about it.
@@voidtheabyssalmind5638 word.
@@voidtheabyssalmind5638I think the reason for that is it’s more a setup story for the big update this year then to answer questions
I hate time travel in sci fi. It always ruins everything.
I agree it does sometimes👍
Bru most players all ready had it figured out are void powers come from rell rell is the void we are the man in the wall we have been rell all along remember what the guy said did I escape or did the other we are the other I hate when noobs try to make a big deal out of something that's all ready been solved
I always thought the being late thing is a reference of the old war
It's quite confusing so I don't blame you. When you go back to 1999 Albrecht (the man in the wall version) says to Arthur "You're late". I don't know what we're late for, but that's the best conclusion I could come up with.
@@PenOfEvil Great video btw! It broke things down considering the vastness of the lore and I loved it! :) So here's from what I took from it as far as the 'too late' part. Albrecht deeply cared about Loid and his work but as long as 'it' was chasing him down, it would put his work and Loid in danger. So he left Loid and his work behind & went back in time to keep whatever it was that following him away from Loid. The fact that when we finally saw Albrecht and Kalymos, he had this creepy smile (like our doppelganger) after saying that we were late. Loid mentioned that Albrecht never ever smiled like that before the Void. To me, the too late part was that by the time 'Arthur' was able to get to Albrecht, "it" must have found Albrecht and infected/possessed him. Hence that creepy smile and the Void vapor surrounding him. But it sounds like there's a chance to go back in time again Doctor Who-style or something and not be late 'next time'. But that's just me. I have other half-baked theories but I guess we'll just have to 'wait and see'. :) Again, excellent work on the video~
@@JameelahRasheed3376 I don't think that theory is half-baked at all. Without further proof that's pretty much all we can safely assume. Very good! Thank you!!🙌😁
Almost got a bit of the video in your music good job man
This video reminded me I should be listening to Nine Inch Nails...
listen away
i just realized MAH BOI STEFAN RUDNIKI voiced Albrecht Entrati. Dude's got a legendary voice