“Embarrassing” - our thoughts on the Leafs' response to Timothy Liljegren injury
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Sid, Meredith, and Devo discuss last Thursday's Toronto Maple Leafs game in which Timothy Liljegren received a cheap shot from Brad Marchand, and the Leafs' lack of response.
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This team has been a pack of gutless wonders for several seasons.
right on they afraid to break a nail
Embarrassing
Tie Domi & Wendel Clark wouldn't have tolerated this gutless behaviour.
Several seasons? How about decades.
Please see Reilly suspension and any other Leafs suspension in the last several years as to why they can’t do anything. The league is biased against Toronto
Sid nails it just like he nailed his commentary on the embarrassing Jays loss.
like Sid he knows a lot and he is funny he needs a raise
When dissecting the poor performances of the Maple Leafs & Blue Jays, Sid doesn't pull any punches.
@@darrenmolleson238 Only a moron would listen to the 'bloated gofer'
You know, Sid has a point about the captaincy.... I like Tavares, but where was the leadership in that moment?
Right on Sid, I could not agree more…absolutely embarrassing team this year
I agree 100%
A physical response would have accomplished nothing.
@@Borodin410except show the league you dont get to do that without repercussions. How can you defend this crap? 😂
back in the day, when Killer was Captain... Marchand would have had a face full of his fist
There are no repercussions, except maybe an instigating penalty. If "repercussions" had any effect, Marchand would have stopped years ago. He hasn't. No rat ever has stopped being a rat because they get roughed up. They draw a penalty though!@@TheBalls2thewalls
Does any one remember when Pat Burns had to call a team meeting because Wendel Clark and the boys would not stand up for each other ? I dont think this has ever happened on any team in the history of the NHL before .
Wendel was the first one there. Lol
@@lisahenshall3053 L M A O Seriously ? Are u trolling right now or did you not get it ?
@@Kevinc2828 grow up
@@lisahenshall3053 Ok ur trolling .
@@Kevinc2828 actually you are the troll.
Well said Sid. Conn Smythe is turning in his grave with this iteration of the Leafs.
I have been a huge fan and defended this team for years and years. I struggle today to find something to defend about this team after the Bruins game. It is painfully apparent that the Leafs have no soul. The fact that they had to have a meeting regarding sticking up for each other is a glaring indictment of a soulless team. Is this the character that was brought in for some push-back??? It is not up to Reaves to go fight Marchand, that would never happen, but their are plenty of Leafs on the ice at the time and are in Marchand's weight class. Reaves could have done his part by crushing some star Bruins or run the goalie or anything that would let teams know that this is not acceptable, if it means a suspension, take it for the good of the TEAM. I Thursday was any indication of what this brand of Leafs are going forward, I will be hard pressed to support them.
So hard to watch this team, and Sid is absolutely correct on this point..
Would have ended much differently in the Wendell Clark days
right on and domi
Well the difference is Clark was a leader he had pride he was not a coward and he was a warrior .
NO it Wouldn't Have !!!!
Kadri stuck up for his brothers two playoff years in a row at the cost of his own suspension and at what every armchair pundit called selfish and not thinking about the overall team progress in the playoffs...traded that following summer, goes on to win cup. Kadri was a warrior who bled blue and white for us while also being treated like crap for so many years. But like Clark he was a warrior who protected his brothers. I would even take Clark back even today at 57 years young...just put him on the fourth line, he could police better then 99% of what we have today.
I hate to say it... but yes, Tavares needs to lose the 'C' on this team and it needs to go to someone like Rielly. We need someone who represents blue-collar hockey, Maple Leafs tradition, and an attitude of ''No loss is acceptable!'' At one point in time that was Tavares, but he seems to be ok with the idea of being a role-player now. The ''core 4'' doesn't have the leadership ability amongst them, and most of them only play half of the rink making it even worse... We need a change and we need it NOW! The value has never been higher for Nylander, and although he's the only consistent scorer we have right now, we could easily trade him for a hard-nosed defenseman and/or a 1(b) goalie. Time to change the character of this team!
JT has always been an outsider on the "team". The "team"(really two or three teams) has an obvious hierarchy and it's Matthews, Marner, Nylander...........Tavares, Rielly.................................the mercenary crew. Tavares isn't even the problem. It's the character of Auston Matthews that's the problem. Were it not so, JT would never have worn a "C" in Toronto, Matthews would have. I've seen Matthews punched squarely in the face and come away laughing about it. He's easily intimidated and that crap flows downhill. If Auston Matthews changed...then the team would follow, but they're never going to follow the lead of John Tavares anyway.
@@solarion9802are you thinking about marner? That’s not Matthews
@@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa369 not sure which Matthews you're talking about, but @Solarion9802 is right on by stating the lack of ''do or die'' attitude from this core group. They're softer than whipped butter.
Agreed. Tavares needs to have the ‘C’ stripped. Pathetic.
Yep. The C should've went to Rielly years ago because he is OG.
I watched the game & Marchand skated by their bench three times during the stoppage in play after the injury. And on 2 separate occasions later in the game, he did a slow skate by every player on the bench - literally within a foot of the dashboard. He probably did it more but TV didn’t catch it. He was almost begging them to get involved. A joke indeed but it’s what the NHL has become. This isn’t just the Leafs. It’s the vast majority of the NHL teams. And Shanahan, who was notoriously tough as a player & always stuck up for his teammates must have gotten a talking to from Gary Bettman when he became the “Director of Player Safety” for the NHL about his vision of turning the league soft. With some exception, Bettman has created a league where players no longer police themselves. And with Captains like Tavares who literally wouldn’t even look Marchand in the eye, It’s no wonder why they haven’t won a Cup since 1967.
Had the 60-goal scorer jumped over the boards and laced Marchand, broke a hand in process, he would get the admiration of his team, and would win over new fans. This is twice now I’ve agreed with Sid, never did before. Btw his biting of tongue when Meredith offered that thought at the end was priceless. He is right. Tavares just sitting there, looking totally disinterested? That’s your leader? And all those ads where he looks serious at the camera…..intense….focused….what a joke. I see more cohesion on pick up teams. I do agree with her though on the announcement that they had a team meeting about this. They are never going to win. Maybe Liljegren will have a thing or two to say to his “captain” when he gets to see his leader’s response from the bench.
Doesnt matter what it looked like...Remember Reilly and Point last year in the playoffs? Did Tampa wait to see how it looked?
The problem is team culture which started with Dubas and now ends with Keefe. Keefe has to go
And now the new gm
This problem was supposed to be dealt with over the Summer, needless to say, it's the same old Leaf Team, they are a decent team, but not a Cup contender!!!
Least you didn't jump on the new guy (Former Boston Bruin) Bertuzi.. Leaf fanbase is using him as the fall guy as "laughing with Marchand" and this is the first time I heard about the team meeting.. now I know why, how embarrassing. Just think if the Leafs had this mentality vs Gudas and the Panthers or Marron and Perry last playoffs, they'd be grabbing their blankets sucking their thumbs. But don't worry Keefe will get fired, and they'll still suck. Because "the coach is always the issue" and not the same core 4 for the last 11 years now?
Leafs fan base is huge we are not all jumping on Bertuzzi . A large portion of the fan base has been all over this core for being to soft for a few years now 2 / 4 should have been moved long ago .
It wasn't dirty or a slew foot. It was a hockey play and it's Brad Marchand. You're just butt hurt because the Leafs are softer than puppy poo in July, Reaves is terrified to face Lucic when he comes back and Tyler Bertuzzi misses Boston because he is now playing on the Canadian women's team.
1000% agree, JT just sat there beside Reaves. You don't have to fight JT, but show a little emotion. the guy is a f'n robot
I agree with you Sid,it was absolutely embarrassing.
The team is soft it starts with the captain Tavares no push back.
Sid is 100% correct here. Not over the top at all.
Absolutely correct sir
Equallly as bad is the fact that not a single player went over to check on Liljegren or help him off the ice. Not the Leafs I fell in love with over 40 years ago. I am so embarassed how that all went down and to top it off, not much changed in the Sabres game in terms of coming out as a team of brothers. Tampa is going to knock them around physically tonight...you watch. If there isn't a bench clearing brawl then Im out till this thing gets blown up, once and for all.
there has always been this element of two different teams, the core and the other guys.
Probably why any pick ups that come to the team play horrible if they aren't getting their stats boosted by playing on a line in the top 6. Toxic dressing room
@@AlonzoHynes It's hard for me to believe it's a toxic room as I see all these Leafs RUclips vids of everyone always clowing around and with each other. They seem pretty close, but maybe you're right, maybe it might be a core four and then everyone else not only on the ice but off. I hope they prove us wrong in the coming days, weeks, months and above all the playoffs, but I don't see that happening again this year. It's the worse I have ever seen in our team.
Long time Canucks fan here. I feel your pain here. There is something wrong with a team when a teammate doesn't check in or help an injured teammate. I am looking forward to the Canucks/Leafs game on Saturday, November 11th. Take care everyone.
What about the game before vs. LA or the game after vs. Buffalo? The problem is bigger than Marchand.
Last Thursday?!? I knew this about this group for the past 4 seasons.
It’s clear this team cannot play an even semi-heavy game and that’s why they are never going anywhere.
To Devo's point about not wanting Matthews to get hurt, take a look at the clip from last year when Morgan Reilly and Brayden Point are chasing the puck and Point falls into the boards hard. Kucherov (Point's teammate) immediately jumps on Reilly and starts pounding him, no questions asked, and Kucherov is one of the most talented players in the league, and is not a big guy. Steve Stamkos then went after Matthews and made him look pathetic. Somebody needed to step up, especially when the Boston coach left Marchand on the ice for the next shift, I believe because he knew the Leafs would not do anything about it. I have felt for at least two years that this team needs a complete overhaul, and now I know for sure they need big changes.
Nailed it Sid. Team is beyond embarrassing this year of all 😤
Leaving marchand on the ice following was a big ha ha to toronto and shows that other teams know the leafs are soft as a soup sandwich. It was a CLEAR indication and salt on the wound and the leafs have embarrassed themselves. Theyve solidified to the league that this year is no different and now they all know how to play toronto. Come in fast, hard and physical and the W is yours! Sad sad stuff to watch as a fan. No excuse eapecially after coach leaves him out there. To me thats a bigger statement then the incident itself and shouldve pissed them off as it was a test and the leafs failed bigtime. JT didnt even bark at him. Leadership trickles down and when your guys at the top are soft then this is what you get. Yes i understand taking bad penalties and whatnot BUT these are special circumstances and are part of the unwritten rules. Youd think theyd learn from last years playoff experience that physicality is a MUST in this league to go the distance. Boston not only injured your player but proceeded to rub it in straight up knowing theyre safe. This is bad for the leafs. Smh just brutal. I thought the word was that the leafs had gotten physical and tough this off-season..??!! That they added grit?? Thats what i was hearing and reading all around toronto, so.....where is it?
There was plenty of chirping, but no action was taken. As much as I despise Brad Marchand, he proved the Maple Leafs are soft and gutless.
I say get rid of Reaves. He is supposed to respond to this but did not do a damn thing! TRADE HIM NOW!!!!
Sid as usual you right on the money
love the guy he is smart and funny
This team is screwed , there is only one way to fix this and that is to rebuild.
Or fold the franchise.
Not enough Canadians on the team, look at every team that won the Cup over the years, stacked with Canadians. Chicago had the most canadians on their team in the NHL.
We have a bunch of swedish harlequins.
John Tavares should never have been the captain of the team.
He has never had more than 100 points in a season.
1st overall.
Has he even scored 40 goals since becoming a Maple Leaf?
He rarely does anything of note.
Doesn't fight. Doesn't hit.
Doesn't even really seem to get involved in any drastic way.
And he's not that good of a skater. I really don't understand and never have understood the hype behind him.
He had 47 his first season here
Look at liljegren stick when HE HIT marchand same spot as marchand. Yesssss this was a penalty but it wasnt a cheap shot. But 100% with you on the rest.
Totally agree wid Sid...
Remember when Reilly accidentally injured Point in the playoffs last year?
Remember how Tampa responded seconds after?
That.
I want that out of the Leafs.
1000 thumbs up
Wings fan here. This was definitely a missed opportunity, but there's always the next time you play em ;) Good teams have long memories. When Claude Lemieux destroyed Draper back in 96, our players shook his hand, then realized what he actually did after the game. Fast forward one year and they had to peel Lemieux off the ice. Shanahan was a big part of that too. Hope you'll have the same response.
You took the words right outta my mouth.
they had all game to take care of business
@@KennyCosway You're not wrong
Physical play has been absent since domi roberts tucker Clark belax been gone it’s shame these guys need to watch tapes of what these guys did out on ice to pretext and be a team together
sid is on fire
got to love him
Yea yeah stand up for your teammates
Every other team in the league would have responded with at least a scrum after a play like that. The Leafs are on their own gutless island.
Well said Sid
he is the man
bertuzzi is hoping to go back to the Bs and Domi is just collecting a cheque. they are two guys who should have stepped up to #63
The Toronto Maple Leafs will never win a Stanley Cup because they aren’t tough enough
- Don Cherry
FACTS!
Amen
I have been a Leaf Fan all my life now being 76 years old. I am so discusted with this team not standing up for each other. They are a bunch of Gutless Candy Asses,and this is not a team, For Gods sake stand up for yourself and your teammates. This is a Joke of a Team,I will stick to watching the Jrs play cause they stand up for each other.
Flyers fan here, so I've seen my team deal with that rat Marchand, and not respond. I think Tortorella has the Flyers past that now, but the Leafs should cue up the Nick Foligno fight, and the post game press conference from when he made sure Corey Perry had to fight him after the Taveras injury against Montreal. Foligno was only a Leaf for a short time, but he knew enough to respond immediately after his guy got hit.
We're ragging on the leafs for no push back or retaliation. What do u want them to do the league takes no action on stuff like this but when there is a reaction they step in and penalize the reacting team. Personally I think this shows just how bad NHL officiating actually is and the fact there is no reprocution on that play after the ge by the league just shows how bad the league itself is. (Plz don't reply with its a fast paced game. We all see how fast the players play they can make split second decisions with the puck they can make the same ones when it comes to hitting or slew footing another player)
Underrated comment.
Marchand has been a dirt bag his whole career.
Was such a JOKE! Keefe should be fired for not sending his tough guys over the boards to do anything...the Leaf 'tough' guys should be traded...disgusting...FIRE SHANAHAN, he built this GUTLESS WONDER of a team!
Anybody ever see how Tampa Bay collectively act when one of their guys gets combusted by the opposing team?
That's how champions react.
Yeah, show up with no shirt at the press conference and saying "what are you kidding me" to their opponent who just beat them shows top shelf class. Kooch is a classless bum but he is talented. He plays more physical than the whole leafs team combined. Signing Tie Dummy's son was a mistake. Signing Reeves was a mistake. Nobody did anything! Dead weights!
I'm going to enjoy watching this team steam roll their opponent all the way to the top and then call it in for the playoffs because for all their faults, at least they are consistent losers in the playoffs and they never disappointment me in that.
Sid is right on need to fire Shanny asap all the leaf mistakes lie on him he is no fit for his job
yeah and keep the same 4 overpaid smucks for the last 11 years? because they're not the problem lol
@@NXT_LVL right on take the C off john i will never see a cup look marchmant we hate.he has the C for a reason i learned in novice to stick up for my team and terry reason why we won all ontario
If the shoe was on the other foot Llilgrin would have been surrouded and malled by 5 Bruins.Wolfpak mentality creates unity
well said Sid. Completely disgusting seeing no reaction
You're correct Sid, there is no captain on this team. I would add that the eye opener is that the new additions take on the DNA of this team.
I laughed as well. And I'm laughing at you pheasants right now 🤣 😂 you too Dangel
That lady knows nothing about hockey or competition in general. Anything less than someone pulverizing Marchand is a joke.
No "truculence" on this team at all, been this way for years, as Brian Burke stated years ago.
I’m calling it Sheldon Keefe will get fired in the next weeks maybe he’s the problem he’s at least the common thread
If we don’t see a line brawl December 2. Then the leafs don’t truly care about each other.
John Traverse doesn't deserve to be the captain. Matthews yes
Good point. Coach should have done something then!!
I think the thing that confuses me the most is how is brad Marchand still allowed to do these things...it seems he does things like this to alot of teams he plays against and not one player or team knocks his teeth out...if this were 15years ago probert or domi would destroy him
He wouldn't try it with Probert, that's for sure.
I'm a Bruins fan and I have to agree with you but remember when Bergeron who had a history of concussions, was knocked out by the Habs defender and Marchand came, took the guy down and starting punching like hell? Marchand is not afraid of anybody even at his small size and will stick out for his team. If the refs miss a call, players have to get in Marchand's face or give him a taste of his own medicine like Sid mentioned.
Check his stick lifting his Left foot and the right foot being pulled as well! How did this get missed
Fish rots from the head.. Sheldon is good at talking but unfortunately, that's all he does. I've seen John Brophy show more emotions than this guy and John was drunk half the time (,i.e checked out) and had high cholesterol. Keefe needs to a pair and get his players to play for him. This man is an absolute eunuch.
You have no idea... Marner is the problem. Watching his interaction with 8 year olds was disgusting.. That said SIGN William Nylander he LOVES Toronto. Marner loves money.. The Leafs will not win with Marner and I hate to say it but Babcock was right about him.
That lady needs to talk about cooking not hockey.
Hey SID< What happened to the video I listed showing showing how wrong you were. I guess it is just easier to whine about the Leafs over paid players playing like tim bits
What do you expect to be done from the leafs? ..you get nothing from a nothing team ..
I new in novice to stick up for my team mates they named me killar before doug gilmor
I still cant believe no one on toronto did anything. Such a bad look 🤣 and no tavares is not a leader to my mind and their losing to tampa.
Liljegren initiated the contact 🤷♂️
it wasn't even dirty...let it go
Here's a thought, what is the refs were in charge of policing behavior that occurs during the game like every other sport in existence?
Leafs are softies. No Stanley Cup for this team.
Hahaha…I don’t know who’s worse, the Leafs fan base, the Leafs organization or the media who covers them….😂😂
If by response you mean...do nothing and lose every game since....then their response is epic!
you don't make sense. They're saying they had NO response. So, you're saying they've been winning?
Isles' fan here (not one of those idiots that still boos Tavares. I'm not in love with the way he left but it is what it is, please don't come for me) and we saw this same thing when Tavares was our Captain. He's super talented but such a laid back guy on the ice and, as captain, never stuck up for his teammates. The team takes on that persona.
You can change the role players around the core, but if the core is gutless, by extension so will everyone else. This will never change.
Exactly. They always want to tinker on the edges, thinking bringing in certain players in the offseason or at the deadline will be enough. But making a change to the core strictly forbidden. The problem continues to be with that core. Yes, the core is skilled, and they bring excitement. But at the end of the day, they don't stand up for each other and they don't win when it matters. Yeah, they probably wouldn't get somebody as skilled as Nylander or Marner if they were to trade them. But they could get someone different than one of those guys that could change the attitude in that room.
I remember a scene from a long ago Leafs vs Flyers game when Borje Salming, who hadn't been here that long, got knocked to the ice. As he lay there looking up, he saw nothing but orange and black because 5 Flyers had circled him, tightly. . .where the H@11 were his teammates?? Sound familiar?
Guys like Wendel, Dougie, Darcy Tucker and Gary Roberts have been character Leafs; but they've been too few and far between.
100% right Sid!
Brendan Shanahan built this team based on speed and skill, than there you have it!
He's a joke. What has he done ?
they play like scardy cats we ne to get rid of shanny asap
The reason the team is like this is because they have four of the highest paid players in the league that haven't earned their paycheck. Bring home the Stanley Cup. Then we talk wages. They have done nothing in the playoffs to deserve their contracts. I said it right from the beginning as soon as they did the last contracts. What did it get them? Past one round barely? It counts for nothing.
Yup agree 💯 with Sid, John is a wimp should have scrapped Marchand, reverse the situation what do you think happens.
Only Reaves chirped actually.
I wonder what Bertuzzis uncle would do if somebody intentionally injured a player on his team
Marchand didn’t intentionally hurt anyone, and Tyler was teammates with Marchand just a few months ago. Fanbase is bent outta shape over him shaking his head and laughing. Leafs nation way too soft.
@@MutinySignals Bertuzzis uncle used to play in the league
@@player9117 yes ik bro I’m familiar with their family
@MutinySignals actually it was intentional. Marchand knew exactly what he was doing and I'm a B's fan.
@@walkerpercy8702 that’s cool I’m not a B’s fan and I don’t really think he tapped em thinking oh this will result with an injury 🤷♂️ but maybe he really is that dirty
They need to trade one of their core four player when your leadership is soft that’s what happens
Sid well said.
I’m now a fan of Sid and BT
Watched the replay from a few different angles and it was 2 players fighting for ice position
The pen flick by Sid said it all.
The Bruins run Toronto. The Leafs are brutal and the Bruins own the Leafs. Leafs are soft and there Bruins own them.
I like that he immediately said it was a slewfoot even though Liljegren put his own right leg in front of full speeding Marchand's who just wanted to brake.
Did she really just say that it says something for the captain to sit there with the same stone cold boring face after one of your players goes down? Awful awful take
Can we just trade the entire team straight up for the Sudbury Blueberry Bulldogs?
Have another bagel Sid
Said Sid’s 4th chin
I guess they brought Reeves in to just sit on the bench and watch the game.
funny how when asked about it, Reeves said "if I was on the ice with him I would've done something but I wasn't" Perfectly illustrating why he was such a bad signing, he can barely keep up with the other 4th liners, how is he ever gunna impact the game if they can't trust him on the ice for longer then like 5 minutes a game. Joke.
Ryan Reaves should have been sent out on to the ice. Bertuzzi laughing should be sent to the minors and maybe learn how to skate. Travares is only interested in his pay cheque. This team will be lucky to make the playoffs with what they have. It seems the media at the beginning of the year already had them in the playoffs. Maybe the Leafs think it is already gift wrapped for them (ain't gunna happen). The core 4 aren't exactly off the hook. Marner's giveaways are not mentioned either (versus Buffalo). Time to sit some of these guys until they smarten up but the problem is Keefe would lose his job due to these guys being softies and whiners.
Nothing surprising about Reaves being useless at times like this. This is what he was like in MN. He also didn't do anything when he watched Logan Stanley's cheap shot on Kaprizov that caused Kaprizov to be out for a month.
No push back, what a joke, the Leaf players have no stones! Snot on the team really, where has it been as of late? The team may be close knit, so why are they not sticking up for each other? Skill alone does not win cups, but team toughness does! Tooooo soft!
year after tear. same ole crap.. useless soft team.