I love obscure American cars from this Era. The random engines that are super overbuilt for no reason. Love it. You're really inspiring me to get off my ass and boost my SVT focus
The Sundance/Shadow along with the K cars, especially the Wagons, are becoming a VERY popular build with the teens and young 20 somethings. My cousin had a 2 door 91 Sundance in high school in the early 2000's that he gave his daughter when she turned 16 and they are building it while she drives it. I'm going to paint it, orginally it was that 90's seafoam green with the grey interior but I'm going to surprise her and paint it Plum Crazy with some grey graphics on the hood and and lower body, she's a good kid and does really really good in school and got a full ride scholarship to college to play softball
Makes sense, since they can be bought for next to nothing. Still though, I have not seen a SINGLE Sundance at a meet or show anywhere that wasn't mine. The plum crazy paint sounds cool, I'm sure she'll be psyched for that.
@@X2Lobster I live in the Southwest Triangle (Northwest Arizona, Southern Nevada and Southeastern California) and they are all over out here, there's enough that they even have a couple clubs just for them.
@@HatersGarage There are many different transmissions you can go with... A525 is the transmission you want to avoid. Too weak! A555, A568 are the performance transmissions... A520 and A523 transmissions are also strong enough for the turbo. LSD for these transmissions is also somewhat cheap!
New favourite channel. I have a 1993 Voyager 5 speed with a TBI 2.5... love this van! My 2nd car is a 1985 LeBaron convertible with a full turbo swap from a 1989 Daytona Turbo 2.5... A555 Manual transmission and forged internals. The last owner messed up and installed a slider cam with roller followers, and recently kicked off one of the intake valve followers. Will swap out the valvetrain components ASAP as I have to get back to boostin'! Awesome channel man.
@@HatersGarage Yeah same here, I just haven't figured out how to diagnose what caused it to pop off. I pulled the lifter out and it doesn't seem to squish down no matter what, so I assume I need to replace the lifters. Doesn't help that the engine builder put a slider cam with roller followers! I gotta say my LeBaron is actually very quick with minimal mods, I'm excited for you to get your turbo setup tuned!
@@djcybercorgi Sounds like it's the cam's fault to me. I'm psyched to get the boost turned up for sure. I put t2 rods and pistons in mine, 300hp is the number I want to make.
I love this guy! I have a dodge spirit with that engine. Turbod 5 speed though. I'm getting closer to the 400hp mark but it can be done with stock internals
My God young man you are ambitious! With a proper shop and some disposable funds you'll be dangerous. I'm gonna hang around and see what's next. Nice work for what your working with. 😁👍💪
I am new here but man am i impressed you are basicly working with nothing and still you are making some decent results👍🏻 if you had some propper tools and as said in previous comments some funds you could make some insanely cool builds👍🏻.I love your work and that you are not afraid of a challenge keep it up and thank you for really good and entertaining content😊 My best from sweden😊👍🏻
I love that you're taking 'the hard road' to a turbo dodge. Granted, megasquirt upside. But this might hold the record for 'most work to reach stock turbo power level' which i dont mean in a bad way at all, its taking the road that most turbo dodge owners simply could not follow because they don't have the skill or determination to get there. Anyway, guess ill watch the other ones now.. I've built a bunch of turbo dodges and done 5 auto to manual swaps on them etc etc.. curious to see how far this car goes!
best way to think of an engine is an air pump. whatever makes air move through it as efficiently as possible, and makes compression as efficient as possible, and reduces inate vibration from reciprocal mass, is good for the engine. makes it more powerful, more energy efficient, lets it rev higher, increases responsiveness, and reduces reciprical mass without compromizing load bearing strength and integrity, is good.
I love what you are doing man! And you live in Virginia huh? Maybe I’ll see you around sometime! I’ve always like making slow cars just a little faster😁 my little 5 spd tribute is begging for more power😂
I bought and sold tons of Chrysler products like this...I took a Shadow just like this car to the track once,it was a 1987 2.2 Turbo 5 speed bone stock 6 year old car it felt quick it ran upper 14's! For a bone stock 146 hp 2.2 Turbo she went real good..The road tests by magazines wouldnt bring the rpm up and just floor it and the Turbo lag was bad on these took until 10 mph before it came on,so 0-10 killed most road test results you see of these Chrysler Turbo cars...The 2.5 Turbo the Turbo lag was much less! I did personally own a 1986 Shelby Charger 2.2 Turbo and it also ran high 14's some magazines were running 15 -15.20 with them,but when you knew how to spool up the turbo on launch and handle the tire spinning and take off you will run high 14's with a bone stock 146 hp version..What I noticed the Turbo's would fail and they slowly lost power,I bought so many that the performance were off..I always rebuilt them if the performance was not where it should be.
Yeah they definitely would have benefited from launch control. Of course that wasn't really a thing back then, so the driver did matter a lot like you said. They could get away with making the car so much lighter and simpler than modern cars, without the EPA and safety regulation restrictions we have today. So even though they're low tech, they're still quick even by today's hot-hatch standards. I've modernized mine quite a bit, it's going to have launch control and flat foot shifting to keep the lag down. I can also run E85 if I want to. But the engine itself is still not much more complex than a lawn mower engine, lol.
I was going to do this with my shadow, but i found a t2 engine and rebuilt that and bought a lot of performance parts knstead. The big splined a568 transmission. An enforcer 2 turbo a 3 bar map bigger intercooler 3in exhaust. 55 lb injector 255 lph fuel pump. Short throw shifter. Im going for 300 300. With everything im adding, it should male the ulgrades easier later on. I'm going around 23 psi when finished, but now i have to wait for parts
assuming the plymouth Sundance was bone stock in the 1/8th before turbo, 13.2 really isn't bad at all. I guesstimate it would run the quarter at around 18 seconds at between 78-86mph. still not bad for a cheap late 80's 4 cylinder econobox that doesn't, or barely makes 100hp, and maybe 80ft/lbs. for small displacement low output motors, torque is the more important power figure for acceleration. easiest way to make more power and torque across the board is to boost the compression. you just need to shave the head and level the deck a very small amount, just to reduce the combustion chamber area, which will increase compression. wouldn't go more than 8 thousanths on the head. aside from that, honing the bore, better forged aluminum pistons, ring gapping, and balancing pistons, conrods, and crank to keep the reciprocationg mass smooth and reduse vibration, will allow a higher RPM. porting and polishing, balanced cam, lifters, and valves, new valve springs, gapping the spark, and a bit of grinding on the intake and exaust manifold to smooth the surfaces and bend transitions to reduce flow turbulence....
I've done the whole nine yards with this engine apart from forged pistons and a cam. I've gapped the rings loose, installed t2 rods, rerouted the cylinder head coolant line for better cooling on cylinder #4, some cylinder head porting, and the Megasquirt ECU. Right now the most annoying thing is how annoying it is to service the turbo. It's buried way up in there where you can't get to it, I'm considering a rear mounted turbo.
5:21 Isn't the 1-3 and 2-4 connection the same as 1-2 and 3-4 in terms of firing sequence (1-3-4-2 is the same as 2-1-3-4), whereas 1-4 and 2-3 connection would be different?
What I like most about this is that someone already swapped a MPFI intake manifold from the turbo model onto the car. Makes me wonder if the engine was from a turbo car and they just removed the turbo setup. I've seen this before on a K car LeBaron I almost bought once. If it once was a turbo engine, it's got a pretty low compression ratio and will be extra slow without the turbo.
Someone did swap it, that someone was me. before I did the turbo stuff I rebuilt the engine with t2 rods and pistons as well as the MPFI intake. It was still faster than with the old TBI to spite the lowered compression.
No... All inline four cylinder engines. An inline 4 cylinder fires every 180° degrees of rotation, cylinder 1 and 4 will always fire at 360° of eachother so are in exactly the opposite engine stroke. So regardless of if your engine firing order is 1-3-4-2 or 1-2-4-3, 1-4 and 2-3 share exhaust runners to 'split pulse' the 'twin scroll'...
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Yes I know the header pairing is wrong, I recorded fixing them a long time ago but I canned that video.
I love obscure American cars from this Era. The random engines that are super overbuilt for no reason. Love it. You're really inspiring me to get off my ass and boost my SVT focus
Yeah they're beefy for sure. All it takes is to get up and decide to do it like you said, good luck!
The Sundance/Shadow along with the K cars, especially the Wagons, are becoming a VERY popular build with the teens and young 20 somethings. My cousin had a 2 door 91 Sundance in high school in the early 2000's that he gave his daughter when she turned 16 and they are building it while she drives it. I'm going to paint it, orginally it was that 90's seafoam green with the grey interior but I'm going to surprise her and paint it Plum Crazy with some grey graphics on the hood and and lower body, she's a good kid and does really really good in school and got a full ride scholarship to college to play softball
Makes sense, since they can be bought for next to nothing. Still though, I have not seen a SINGLE Sundance at a meet or show anywhere that wasn't mine. The plum crazy paint sounds cool, I'm sure she'll be psyched for that.
I just don't see it, maybe 20 years ago. You don't see them anymore, at least in the northeast.
@@X2Lobster I live in the Southwest Triangle (Northwest Arizona, Southern Nevada and Southeastern California) and they are all over out here, there's enough that they even have a couple clubs just for them.
It's crazy how things swing back 30 yrs later. Late 80s everyone was going 50s
You peaked my interest with "manual swap".
It will hopefully happen sooner rather than later
@@HatersGarage There are many different transmissions you can go with... A525 is the transmission you want to avoid. Too weak!
A555, A568 are the performance transmissions...
A520 and A523 transmissions are also strong enough for the turbo.
LSD for these transmissions is also somewhat cheap!
@@HatersGarage u know how to move the steering wheel I live in mine and it's a tight fit for 6,6 to sleep lol 😆
Dude that is the nicest shade of blue I ever seen.
This is awesome. Making things work! Can’t wait to hear that thing spool up
New favourite channel. I have a 1993 Voyager 5 speed with a TBI 2.5... love this van!
My 2nd car is a 1985 LeBaron convertible with a full turbo swap from a 1989 Daytona Turbo 2.5... A555 Manual transmission and forged internals. The last owner messed up and installed a slider cam with roller followers, and recently kicked off one of the intake valve followers. Will swap out the valvetrain components ASAP as I have to get back to boostin'!
Awesome channel man.
Thanks! I had a follower fly off as well due to a stuck valve not long ago. Re-reamed the guides and it was good to go.
@@HatersGarage How did you find out it was a stuck valve?
@@djcybercorgi It was only running on 3 cylinders, and I heard a rattling noise coming from the valve cover.
@@HatersGarage Yeah same here, I just haven't figured out how to diagnose what caused it to pop off. I pulled the lifter out and it doesn't seem to squish down no matter what, so I assume I need to replace the lifters. Doesn't help that the engine builder put a slider cam with roller followers! I gotta say my LeBaron is actually very quick with minimal mods, I'm excited for you to get your turbo setup tuned!
@@djcybercorgi Sounds like it's the cam's fault to me. I'm psyched to get the boost turned up for sure. I put t2 rods and pistons in mine, 300hp is the number I want to make.
I love this guy! I have a dodge spirit with that engine. Turbod 5 speed though. I'm getting closer to the 400hp mark but it can be done with stock internals
They're stout engines for sure, the casting is way overbuilt for an engine designed for 140hp with the original turbo.
wow a dodge spirit i am amazed
My God young man you are ambitious! With a proper shop and some disposable funds you'll be dangerous. I'm gonna hang around and see what's next. Nice work for what your working with. 😁👍💪
Thanks! That's the dream, some day.
I am new here but man am i impressed you are basicly working with nothing and still you are making some decent results👍🏻 if you had some propper tools and as said in previous comments some funds you could make some insanely cool builds👍🏻.I love your work and that you are not afraid of a challenge keep it up and thank you for really good and entertaining content😊
My best from sweden😊👍🏻
I already like this chanel more then the other popular car chanels
Nice kitchen floor ur working on there 😁
Ran across your account because of the algorithm, great content I'ma sub lol :)
Same
Love the choice of the Postal 2 music.
Oh and the cars nice as well 👍
I love that you're taking 'the hard road' to a turbo dodge. Granted, megasquirt upside. But this might hold the record for 'most work to reach stock turbo power level' which i dont mean in a bad way at all, its taking the road that most turbo dodge owners simply could not follow because they don't have the skill or determination to get there. Anyway, guess ill watch the other ones now.. I've built a bunch of turbo dodges and done 5 auto to manual swaps on them etc etc.. curious to see how far this car goes!
the slowest that turbo will ever go 😂u just got a new subcriber
best way to think of an engine is an air pump. whatever makes air move through it as efficiently as possible, and makes compression as efficient as possible, and reduces inate vibration from reciprocal mass, is good for the engine. makes it more powerful, more energy efficient, lets it rev higher, increases responsiveness, and reduces reciprical mass without compromizing load bearing strength and integrity, is good.
I love what you are doing man! And you live in Virginia huh? Maybe I’ll see you around sometime! I’ve always like making slow cars just a little faster😁 my little 5 spd tribute is begging for more power😂
I bought and sold tons of Chrysler products like this...I took a Shadow just like this car to the track once,it was a 1987 2.2 Turbo 5 speed bone stock 6 year old car it felt quick it ran upper 14's! For a bone stock 146 hp 2.2 Turbo she went real good..The road tests by magazines wouldnt bring the rpm up and just floor it and the Turbo lag was bad on these took until 10 mph before it came on,so 0-10 killed most road test results you see of these Chrysler Turbo cars...The 2.5 Turbo the Turbo lag was much less!
I did personally own a 1986 Shelby Charger 2.2 Turbo and it also ran high 14's some magazines were running 15 -15.20 with them,but when you knew how to spool up the turbo on launch and handle the tire spinning and take off you will run high 14's with a bone stock 146 hp version..What I noticed the Turbo's would fail and they slowly lost power,I bought so many that the performance were off..I always rebuilt them if the performance was not where it should be.
Yeah they definitely would have benefited from launch control. Of course that wasn't really a thing back then, so the driver did matter a lot like you said. They could get away with making the car so much lighter and simpler than modern cars, without the EPA and safety regulation restrictions we have today. So even though they're low tech, they're still quick even by today's hot-hatch standards.
I've modernized mine quite a bit, it's going to have launch control and flat foot shifting to keep the lag down. I can also run E85 if I want to. But the engine itself is still not much more complex than a lawn mower engine, lol.
The postal music haha
I was going to do this with my shadow, but i found a t2 engine and rebuilt that and bought a lot of performance parts knstead. The big splined a568 transmission. An enforcer 2 turbo a 3 bar map bigger intercooler 3in exhaust. 55 lb injector 255 lph fuel pump. Short throw shifter. Im going for 300 300. With everything im adding, it should male the ulgrades easier later on. I'm going around 23 psi when finished, but now i have to wait for parts
I like this a lot
1:45 This is postal 2 soundtrack. That's fine, but don't replicate it's actual gameplay
You need more subs
assuming the plymouth Sundance was bone stock in the 1/8th before turbo, 13.2 really isn't bad at all. I guesstimate it would run the quarter at around 18 seconds at between 78-86mph. still not bad for a cheap late 80's 4 cylinder econobox that doesn't, or barely makes 100hp, and maybe 80ft/lbs.
for small displacement low output motors, torque is the more important power figure for acceleration. easiest way to make more power and torque across the board is to boost the compression. you just need to shave the head and level the deck a very small amount, just to reduce the combustion chamber area, which will increase compression. wouldn't go more than 8 thousanths on the head. aside from that, honing the bore, better forged aluminum pistons, ring gapping, and balancing pistons, conrods, and crank to keep the reciprocationg mass smooth and reduse vibration, will allow a higher RPM.
porting and polishing, balanced cam, lifters, and valves, new valve springs, gapping the spark, and a bit of grinding on the intake and exaust manifold to smooth the surfaces and bend transitions to reduce flow turbulence....
I've done the whole nine yards with this engine apart from forged pistons and a cam. I've gapped the rings loose, installed t2 rods, rerouted the cylinder head coolant line for better cooling on cylinder #4, some cylinder head porting, and the Megasquirt ECU.
Right now the most annoying thing is how annoying it is to service the turbo. It's buried way up in there where you can't get to it, I'm considering a rear mounted turbo.
I love all this. I know I'm late to the party lol but this is awesome. What part of VA tho?? I'm in southeast VA. Like VA Beach ish
5:21 Isn't the 1-3 and 2-4 connection the same as 1-2 and 3-4 in terms of firing sequence (1-3-4-2 is the same as 2-1-3-4), whereas 1-4 and 2-3 connection would be different?
What I like most about this is that someone already swapped a MPFI intake manifold from the turbo model onto the car. Makes me wonder if the engine was from a turbo car and they just removed the turbo setup. I've seen this before on a K car LeBaron I almost bought once. If it once was a turbo engine, it's got a pretty low compression ratio and will be extra slow without the turbo.
Someone did swap it, that someone was me. before I did the turbo stuff I rebuilt the engine with t2 rods and pistons as well as the MPFI intake. It was still faster than with the old TBI to spite the lowered compression.
@@HatersGarage Well dang! That's awesome!! I loved the video on the Sentra suspension so I'm going through your back catalog of videos, lol
5:17 Still incorrect. Twin scroll or split pulse turbo on a four cylinder, 1&4 share one runner, 2&3 share the other.
Depends on the firing order
No... All inline four cylinder engines. An inline 4 cylinder fires every 180° degrees of rotation, cylinder 1 and 4 will always fire at 360° of eachother so are in exactly the opposite engine stroke.
So regardless of if your engine firing order is 1-3-4-2 or 1-2-4-3, 1-4 and 2-3 share exhaust runners to 'split pulse' the 'twin scroll'...
@@DStead2239 You're right, I fixed the headers later on in a scrapped video but that's been a while at this point
Man I need to get like you so I can mod my 6i
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5:52 i think this manifold is bad higher capacity of channels. longer channels. it isnt change to channels not from all to two but to one
when a
pls put true dual exhaust on
Can you do a vortech centrifugal supercharger on that car og maby you can fit it on a Volvo with a 5 Cylinder ?
yooooooooooooooooooooooo
My sundance blew its turbo about a year ago 😢
That sucks, time for a K swap
It may be a Sundance but it’s not a sleeper
I jest bot one w 50k miles on her I got dreams