@@HatersGarageyou haven’t done weight reduction to an extent where you need a center of gravity spreadsheet, but that is completely free and would make a huge difference in driving experience.
Your videos are golden! No fluff, no O faces to camera, good humor, and you're giving the answers to all our "What if I..." Like I just used one of your vids to show my buddy why dual exhausts on a 4 cylinder is stupid.
This channel is such a gem. You are doing something rare in automotive youtube, Actually working on cars. And you do a damn good job channeling the ancient dark fudd arts of "just weld and grind shit till it works" that we all aspire to one day master.
Great vid, there's not enough autoX content like this on youtube and I love it! Proper tires will drop your times by at least 4 seconds, and are well worth the money. I run an 8th gen Civic in autoX and have gradually modified it over the years. I started on all seasons like the Sentra and would hit their limit way too easily. I eventually upgraded to Firehawk Indy 500s (300tw) which were a definite improvement, but still carried a lot of the same characteristics as all seasons - understeery, screechy, and requiring me to chop at the wheel to get it to respond at all. This year I finally splashed some cash on Bridgestone RE71RSs (200tw) and holy moly. There's more grip everywhere, and suspension shortcomings are less apparent because of it. I have to drive more gently and precisely, but this means I have much finer control and can focus on refining my lines through the day. With the Sentra's suspension already sorted, tires will make it a proper weapon! You don't seem like you care too much about placing well, but tires will still make it so much more satisfying to drive. My civic shitter is a consistent top 5 contender overall with HS PAX. I'd recommend going with the Falken RT 660s, from what I've seen they nearly match the RE71RSs and last about twice as long - a pretty good tradeoff. Those two are the meta right now, I wouldn't bother with anything else. I love your style man, can't wait to see the Sentra turn some heads (in a good way)
Thanks for the recommendations. I've driven cars with real tires and I know exactly what you mean, it makes all the difference in the world. I'm going to try and find some WIDE wheels too, I don't mind cutting fenders..
@@HatersGarage Depends on the rules of your local club, but W I D E tires usually bump you from STX to SMF if you're not there already. Still worth it for the steeze, but you'll get your balls crushed by PAX ahaha. Edit - I see the SMF on the car later in the video. Those fenders aren't long for this world.
Are RT 660s good on a road course, too, or mostly an AC tire? How are they as 3-season tires and in the wet on the streets? And if you had to split your tire choice between track day tires and "best 3 season and wet weather street tires" what would your choices be or where might I go to learn for myself?
@@Drunken_Hamster RT 660's will last longer both at autoX and on road courses, but RE71RSs are typically capable of marginally quicker times. So it's up to you what's more important - in terms of pace they are really similar and a good driver can make up the difference. They're both well suited for autoX and road courses. 200tw tires are typically fine in the wet, but I wouldn't run them as daily drivers. I've heard that a set of RE71RSs get eaten up after 10,000km of regular street driving. From my experience, I've done roughly 25 autoX runs on my set of RE71RSs this year and they're at about 2/3 life left. They'll wear much quicker on a road course though. So it's best to run two sets of rims and swap them for events which is what I do. When I ran the Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s I used them for track days, autoX, and street driving. The fact that they can do all that is pretty impressive, but of course there's tradeoffs. They make more road noise than regular all seasons so aren't as comfortable for street driving. As for on track, they don't handle heat well and will fall off in grip after only a lap or two. This is less pronounced in autoX. But still an overall great option for a budget friendly, multi purpose tire that will last many times longer than the 200tw tires. The Michelin PS4S would be similar and probably better in most aspects (for a steeper price) but I haven't run them before so can't say for certain.
@@ovaca16I've only had an SE 1.8 for ten years and that shitbox still makes me smile. I've driven twinturbo V6s with DCTs and some V8s but I'm a simple man who likes chasing down the big boys on some tight back roads while they're crapping themselves looking at how they can't shake off a teeny tiny economy car.
Love your content, man. DIY work that makes sense, is functional, and 100% non-conventional. Good shit my dude. And holy SHIT you're pulling off some clean oversteer on a FWD car!
I love how you considerably changed the suspension geometry of the sentra! It's weird that old torsion beam had that panhard thing. Newer ones don't. Now that's a very tail happy car! Can't wait to see it with decent tires!
Dude, i fucking love this channel. You're like the "Hold my beer, i have an idea" for car stuff. Also really appreciate the inner Clarkson in ya, "...smacking it with a hammer..."
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Your humanity, attitude and resourcefulness really show through. It was hilarious to hear you say you hate the way it drives after having just modded all the front suspension geometry.
eyo, from what I've been researching, widening the rear track and narrowing the front will actually help increase rotation. the theory is that the widest end will load up the most when cornering, putting all the weight on one tire. the narrow end will load up less, and will keep both wheels planted evenly. This goes hand in hand with suspension compliance. if you imagine an extreme of this, such as the old nissan delta cars, the rear suspension is taking the entire weight transfer load, while the front is acting like a record needle, gently pulling the nose every which direction, with the full traction of both front tires. the wider, stiffer end of the car will relieve this cornering load off the front end, and help work/stress/rotate the rear tires. Inversely, as a mental exercise if you squeeze the two rear wheels all the way together, they'll handle none of the weight transfer, effectively the same as a super-soft sway bar/springs while cornering. they will load up with latteral force of course, but the load transfer/body roll will be sent to the outer-front tire. You can see in the final recap auto-x scene, where your inside rear wheel is already lifting off the ground, aka the rear is unable to effectively relieve any more load from the front axel; you can keep stiffening the rear all you like at this point, but it's already three-wheeling! Try swapping that 1" spacer to the rear and just test out how much better/worse it gets. Curious to see the results!
I love seeing your uploads. They’re realistic and relatable. You should do a quick video for us getting to know you, where you learned all these skills, how you got into car modding, other hobbies and what not
I loved my 95 Sentra. 1.6l 5speed. Slow fun. I drove it exstreamly hard and it would not break. I had to replace a couple clutches and an alternator and regular maintenance. I definitely got my $800. worth out of it before I hit a deer. It also had great acoustics for my system. It was a blast.
I think I enjoy handling mods more than making a ton of horsepower. Only downside is it doesn't appeal to as many people as big turbochargers and shooting flames and such
@@HatersGarage even my dad wanted to play it. It was a tremendous game. I can't think of anything that was quite as good as it was on the snes or genesis at the time.
Since it is solid, you can do something they did for a while in dirt track. Positive caster the rear springs so, when they compress, they move forward.
I like what you did with the rear twist beam, I considered doing the same thing but have less money for metal. So what I did was get a 10 foot piece of rebar, cut it into 3 pieces, weld them all together then welded it to the inside of the twist beam itself, to the same location that the twist beam stiffener on the sportier version of my car goes. Also for tires, you could look into getting some accelera phi's theyre good really poor person tires for driving hard. Or cosmo mucho machos if you are a multibillionare who has $68 for one tire
@@HatersGarage if you look up the rear subframe of a cavalier ls-sport or z24 or sunfire gt, you can find a picture of where they have it mounted, should be a pretty similar application. Also some cars (mostly 80s to mid 90s) with twist beams have external sway bars, you might be able to make one work. ive been meaning to test one from a grand am for a while but havnt had the time. Though if you want rotation for cheap and need new tires, you can always just replace the front two tires with good stuff and leave the rears, have done that plenty of times
Glad i found this channel, good stuff! I wanted one of these so bad when they were advertised in every magazine i had in the early 2000's! Also, definitely stealing your phrase...makes it handle more goodlier. 😅
I could watch your videos all day. I love the work you do and explanations. Please keep making these good videos and doing your next project, whatever it is! (Jeep or Sunbird?)
This is becoming one of my favorite build on RUclips simply because it is low budget juryrigging paradise. If power is on the menu, I would love to see a junkyard engine swap or ebay turbo, but you should probably get proper tires first.
Dude this is kick ass! I have an Acura RSX Type S same tire width that I autocross and I have conti dws 06 pluses and they grip so wellll! Go for those you’ll be top of your class.
God you're an entertaining SOB. You're sneaky AF too in the fact you actually have a lot of skill in this stuff too. Honestly don't know how you don't have more subs and more views. Can't wait for the next one. Any plans to turbo the QR25? Or supercharger it, very ghettoly?
i did this shit on my 4th gen prelude, i love sitting there with a overheating dremel cutting out the central ring of a bushing for 8 hours a day for 3 weeks straight
Don't use a chrome socket with an impact :DDDD, love the MS Paint graphics, keep it up. You seem to be more educated about suspension than 90% of the internet.
I like this, you got the skills, the knowledge, but also no sense of self-preservation.
I wear a seatbelt sometimes
I mean, that does sound like a good risk management strategy...
@@HatersGarageyou haven’t done weight reduction to an extent where you need a center of gravity spreadsheet, but that is completely free and would make a huge difference in driving experience.
Yeah... I don't know about that self preservation thing. I mean, he doesn't own a liter bike... yet.
Faking an "Activate Windows" message for continuity purposes is the kind of attention to detail only these high production quality channels can offer.
-Goal: speed
-no stupid intake
-wtf
Saving it for emergencies
Devious ass strut tower modification lmao
Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette, or something like that
There's go with the road worthy inspection lol
ceremy jlarkson...
@@captainslow_037 saptainclow
My boy welding in shorts like true fabricobbler. 😆
I usually weld naked but not on camera
@@HatersGarage OF When?
crazy rotations
Rotational
collab when
collab when
holy shit presents
collab when
"Don't use a chrome socket with the impact" ...DUGUDUGUDUGU 🤣8:31
Your videos are golden! No fluff, no O faces to camera, good humor, and you're giving the answers to all our "What if I..." Like I just used one of your vids to show my buddy why dual exhausts on a 4 cylinder is stupid.
I used his videos to show why quad exit exhausts on a 4 cylinder is sick af
@@Mika-ph6ku It sounded like a helicopter...or a really busted Subaru.
_I knew I should have taken my nerd-pressure medicine this morning!_
The mechanical skill and knowledge of front wheel drive physics is astonishing
This channel is such a gem.
You are doing something rare in automotive youtube, Actually working on cars. And you do a damn good job channeling the ancient dark fudd arts of "just weld and grind shit till it works" that we all aspire to one day master.
Algorithmic bump text jargon:
Best automotive content!
Wow!!
Great vid, there's not enough autoX content like this on youtube and I love it!
Proper tires will drop your times by at least 4 seconds, and are well worth the money.
I run an 8th gen Civic in autoX and have gradually modified it over the years. I started on all seasons like the Sentra and would hit their limit way too easily. I eventually upgraded to Firehawk Indy 500s (300tw) which were a definite improvement, but still carried a lot of the same characteristics as all seasons - understeery, screechy, and requiring me to chop at the wheel to get it to respond at all. This year I finally splashed some cash on Bridgestone RE71RSs (200tw) and holy moly. There's more grip everywhere, and suspension shortcomings are less apparent because of it. I have to drive more gently and precisely, but this means I have much finer control and can focus on refining my lines through the day.
With the Sentra's suspension already sorted, tires will make it a proper weapon! You don't seem like you care too much about placing well, but tires will still make it so much more satisfying to drive. My civic shitter is a consistent top 5 contender overall with HS PAX. I'd recommend going with the Falken RT 660s, from what I've seen they nearly match the RE71RSs and last about twice as long - a pretty good tradeoff. Those two are the meta right now, I wouldn't bother with anything else.
I love your style man, can't wait to see the Sentra turn some heads (in a good way)
Thanks for the recommendations. I've driven cars with real tires and I know exactly what you mean, it makes all the difference in the world. I'm going to try and find some WIDE wheels too, I don't mind cutting fenders..
@@HatersGarage Depends on the rules of your local club, but W I D E tires usually bump you from STX to SMF if you're not there already. Still worth it for the steeze, but you'll get your balls crushed by PAX ahaha.
Edit - I see the SMF on the car later in the video. Those fenders aren't long for this world.
Are RT 660s good on a road course, too, or mostly an AC tire? How are they as 3-season tires and in the wet on the streets? And if you had to split your tire choice between track day tires and "best 3 season and wet weather street tires" what would your choices be or where might I go to learn for myself?
@@Drunken_Hamster RT 660's will last longer both at autoX and on road courses, but RE71RSs are typically capable of marginally quicker times. So it's up to you what's more important - in terms of pace they are really similar and a good driver can make up the difference. They're both well suited for autoX and road courses.
200tw tires are typically fine in the wet, but I wouldn't run them as daily drivers. I've heard that a set of RE71RSs get eaten up after 10,000km of regular street driving. From my experience, I've done roughly 25 autoX runs on my set of RE71RSs this year and they're at about 2/3 life left. They'll wear much quicker on a road course though. So it's best to run two sets of rims and swap them for events which is what I do.
When I ran the Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s I used them for track days, autoX, and street driving. The fact that they can do all that is pretty impressive, but of course there's tradeoffs. They make more road noise than regular all seasons so aren't as comfortable for street driving. As for on track, they don't handle heat well and will fall off in grip after only a lap or two. This is less pronounced in autoX. But still an overall great option for a budget friendly, multi purpose tire that will last many times longer than the 200tw tires. The Michelin PS4S would be similar and probably better in most aspects (for a steeper price) but I haven't run them before so can't say for certain.
What's the 3 digit tw stat mean?
B15 owner here, we all at some point probably found out the hard way about the ball joint fitment with aftermarket arms :( loving the vids!
B15 owner mentioned, swells with brokeness and horrible cup holders. I loved my spec v though.
@@ovaca16I've only had an SE 1.8 for ten years and that shitbox still makes me smile. I've driven twinturbo V6s with DCTs and some V8s but I'm a simple man who likes chasing down the big boys on some tight back roads while they're crapping themselves looking at how they can't shake off a teeny tiny economy car.
as one of the mentioned nerds, you knowing about bump steer and scrub radius is enough for me
Incredible stuff. Best automotive channel on the scene rn. That real grass roots content. Get hyped asf whenever I get a post notification.
I enjoy your videos man. Keep em up! Love paint too, haha.
Paint, or lack thereof lol
@@HatersGarage I meant the windows app bro =P
@@discoveryalbum Oh yeah I knew that yep
@@HatersGarage I knew ya knew what I meant! /s
Keep up the content man, glad to see ya progress!
I like glue, but paint does the job
Watching you drive this Sentra makes me happy! I wish I could drive my car to the limit. (I'll be dead if I do)
Practice, practice.. Remember it's a sport
Love your content, man. DIY work that makes sense, is functional, and 100% non-conventional. Good shit my dude. And holy SHIT you're pulling off some clean oversteer on a FWD car!
Thanks, yeah it actually drifts decent lol
I love how you considerably changed the suspension geometry of the sentra! It's weird that old torsion beam had that panhard thing. Newer ones don't.
Now that's a very tail happy car! Can't wait to see it with decent tires!
It should be quite the weapon with some sticky shoes
I was just rewatching your last videos this morning thinking about how I was craving more Haters Garage content, you've made my day 😌
Also don’t be afraid to mess with tyre width’s. I loved my civic with 205 front and 195 rears. It felt great!
My first car was a 2005 Sentra SE-R so seeing this makes me wiggle and squirm with such delight
Dude, i fucking love this channel. You're like the "Hold my beer, i have an idea" for car stuff. Also really appreciate the inner Clarkson in ya, "...smacking it with a hammer..."
Impressive to see how you modified your suspension.
I learned something today.
Now I feel smarter, thanks for that!
WAKE UP FELLAS, NEW HATERS GARAGE JUST DROPPED!!
It was literally the first notification I clicked after waking up
That Top Gear song bit was 🔥🔥🔥. I love the channel!
No way! I'm in the middle of modding the suspension of my 2002 Nissan Sentra XE as well! Perfectly timed video!
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Your humanity, attitude and resourcefulness really show through. It was hilarious to hear you say you hate the way it drives after having just modded all the front suspension geometry.
If Stanceworks had an evil alter ego, it would be this channel. I love it so much, please make more
Bro keep on posting videos. This is one of the only channels I can watch videos start to finish without fail. Love you brother.
I appreciate it
10:37 this is the bravest shakedown I have ever seen on public roads and I love it
If you don't scandi flick your car down the road I don't consider it a shakedown lol
I'm always excited to see your uploads, you never know what crazy s you can come up with lmao
Crazy? I was crazy once. They put me in a room... A room full of rats.. Rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once..
eyo, from what I've been researching, widening the rear track and narrowing the front will actually help increase rotation.
the theory is that the widest end will load up the most when cornering, putting all the weight on one tire. the narrow end will load up less, and will keep both wheels planted evenly. This goes hand in hand with suspension compliance.
if you imagine an extreme of this, such as the old nissan delta cars, the rear suspension is taking the entire weight transfer load, while the front is acting like a record needle, gently pulling the nose every which direction, with the full traction of both front tires. the wider, stiffer end of the car will relieve this cornering load off the front end, and help work/stress/rotate the rear tires.
Inversely, as a mental exercise if you squeeze the two rear wheels all the way together, they'll handle none of the weight transfer, effectively the same as a super-soft sway bar/springs while cornering. they will load up with latteral force of course, but the load transfer/body roll will be sent to the outer-front tire.
You can see in the final recap auto-x scene, where your inside rear wheel is already lifting off the ground, aka the rear is unable to effectively relieve any more load from the front axel; you can keep stiffening the rear all you like at this point, but it's already three-wheeling!
Try swapping that 1" spacer to the rear and just test out how much better/worse it gets. Curious to see the results!
Always loved how sentras looked they seem underrated, and then you hit me with snes top gear music. SUBSCRIBED.
This is like Ave but younger and more car. Bro just single handedly re-engineered a car's suspension.
I love seeing your uploads. They’re realistic and relatable. You should do a quick video for us getting to know you, where you learned all these skills, how you got into car modding, other hobbies and what not
This was some pretty impressive backyard DIY enginuity. Very much a hack job but if it works and it is fun, that is ALL THAT MATTERS.
Dude, i DIED when you said "don't use a chrome socket with the impact". lol
That's sad you died, did you live?
Really glad to see you start getting the recognition you deserve
Love it. And I loved seeing that 325iX. I had one as a first car. Lotta fun at autocross in that one.
You can see how it rotates better as soon as you did the first turn.
Also, thanks for the top gear OST!
I can’t even fathom what this guy just did to his car and have it work so well
Love the ingenuity behind the custom parts!
I'm glad i stayed up late. Love your vids, you have a really particular set of skills and a lot of free time, "it ain't stupid if it works"
I loved my 95 Sentra. 1.6l 5speed. Slow fun. I drove it exstreamly hard and it would not break. I had to replace a couple clutches and an alternator and regular maintenance. I definitely got my $800. worth out of it before I hit a deer. It also had great acoustics for my system. It was a blast.
That's the great thing about low output engines, even if you beat on them they're never really stressed.
Hyped to see where this goes. Suspension geometry is a dying art it feels like. This is real tuning right here
I think I enjoy handling mods more than making a ton of horsepower. Only downside is it doesn't appeal to as many people as big turbochargers and shooting flames and such
@@HatersGarage Which is a shame!!!
The algorithm blesses you with some gems sometimes.
Glorious Engineering 👌
Wow I am skipping my already late homework to watch this video! I Love you
Man, I had a spec v back in the day. It was nuts how torquey it was (probably due to the super short gearing)!
10:24 love the tf2 engineer reference lol
Really enjoy the videos and how you deliver the content.
god tier channel, all modern automotive content on youtube has gone to slop. Keep it real G.
Thanks G
I love this sketchy fab stuff you do, means I don't have to risk my own money and safety to find out myself hacking up a car in my garage.
Loving these videos. Looking forward to see more dodgy modifications
Hahaha the top gear song for the results was great.
That game started my car obsession
@@HatersGarage even my dad wanted to play it. It was a tremendous game. I can't think of anything that was quite as good as it was on the snes or genesis at the time.
Since it is solid, you can do something they did for a while in dirt track. Positive caster the rear springs so, when they compress, they move forward.
Circle around activate windows got me
we got a good laugh out the mailbox cover :D great project!
This is one amazing hooptie! Hope you can make it even faster
I always wondered what a torsion beam does, I thought they just well ....beamed!! 😁
Great stuff man, love it!
I like what you did with the rear twist beam, I considered doing the same thing but have less money for metal. So what I did was get a 10 foot piece of rebar, cut it into 3 pieces, weld them all together then welded it to the inside of the twist beam itself, to the same location that the twist beam stiffener on the sportier version of my car goes.
Also for tires, you could look into getting some accelera phi's theyre good really poor person tires for driving hard. Or cosmo mucho machos if you are a multibillionare who has $68 for one tire
Your idea works too, I've considered doing that on top of the stiffening I already did
@@HatersGarage if you look up the rear subframe of a cavalier ls-sport or z24 or sunfire gt, you can find a picture of where they have it mounted, should be a pretty similar application. Also some cars (mostly 80s to mid 90s) with twist beams have external sway bars, you might be able to make one work. ive been meaning to test one from a grand am for a while but havnt had the time. Though if you want rotation for cheap and need new tires, you can always just replace the front two tires with good stuff and leave the rears, have done that plenty of times
Glad i found this channel, good stuff! I wanted one of these so bad when they were advertised in every magazine i had in the early 2000's! Also, definitely stealing your phrase...makes it handle more goodlier. 😅
They cost basically nothing if you can find one now, if you still want one of course lol
I need you to get popular. your editing is hilarious, content is great, whats not to like.
NOW THIS is the kind of JANK I LOVE
Thanks for the new vid dad
I could watch your videos all day. I love the work you do and explanations. Please keep making these good videos and doing your next project, whatever it is! (Jeep or Sunbird?)
Working on the Jeep atm
Aww, no more cut springs? Just kidding, that looks like a huge improvement. Good stuff!
Classic fuck up the second one after nailing the first, relatable
Wonderful, amazing car.
This is becoming one of my favorite build on RUclips simply because it is low budget juryrigging paradise. If power is on the menu, I would love to see a junkyard engine swap or ebay turbo, but you should probably get proper tires first.
More power is in this cars future, I just don't know when yet
That Sentra is cool
Dude this is kick ass! I have an Acura RSX Type S same tire width that I autocross and I have conti dws 06 pluses and they grip so wellll! Go for those you’ll be top of your class.
God you're an entertaining SOB. You're sneaky AF too in the fact you actually have a lot of skill in this stuff too. Honestly don't know how you don't have more subs and more views. Can't wait for the next one. Any plans to turbo the QR25? Or supercharger it, very ghettoly?
Hmm my brain says turbo, but my heart says ITB's. It will probably end up with some sort of compound turbo setup.
@@HatersGarage ITBs!!! sweet sweet induction noise makes a crap 4 banger fun
Keep up the good work, this is my new favorite YT channel.
10:30 - I know a TF2 reference when I hear one, good video 10/10
Amazing video man😊
Love the SE-R badge👍
Love the Sentra content. 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼
i did this shit on my 4th gen prelude, i love sitting there with a overheating dremel cutting out the central ring of a bushing for 8 hours a day for 3 weeks straight
That's 168 hours of dremelling, record time
Yo! The song from Top Gear the SNES game! That takes me back to 1995.
I live for these kinds of uploads bud
Man i forgot how good that qr25de sounds...
Don't use a chrome socket with an impact :DDDD, love the MS Paint graphics, keep it up. You seem to be more educated about suspension than 90% of the internet.
"Don't use a chrome socket with the impact!" BRRRRRRRRRR
reminds me on how my supercharged ae92 corolla gts used to handle back in the day
Finally! The most sane Sentra driver posted.
Enjoying the SNES Top Gear music
HE'S BACK, LADIES AND GENTS AND CAR PEOPLES
I would attend bro''s suspension 101 class.
I am excited to see that Marcus Ericsson is finally find himself! I knew it all along that he is on first-name terms with cars
Someone says I look like a different white dude every week, and I can never tell them they're wrong
The last good Sentra. Love the SE-R
like the sentra videos because nobody does them do more pliz
I spotted a Jeep, You're gonna do a Haters Garage finest on that one I'm pretty sure. Anyway, you rock!
rip and tear until it is done. i love that.
This is quality content
Finally sentra content ❤
Now you just need to boost that SR20 MUAHAHA
It's a QR25 not an SR20 but YEAH MUAHHHAHAHH
Small world, I was at that autocross!