Review: Playseat Trophy
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2023
- It has been 1 and a half year since I reviewed the Trophy. Since then a lot more tubular framed simulator cockpits have passed the revue and with each review, my respect for this rig grew.
00:03:00 Introduction
00:00:31 Configuration
00:03:08 Build quality
00:05:10 Features
00:07:13 Options
00:07:34 Price
00:07:55 Conclusion
#playseat #challenge #challengex #logitech #review
For anybody wondering. I’ve used a DD2 up to 20nm on this rig and it doesn’t flex. Thanks from Austria.
Sturdy little thing. Thanks for sharing friend
Thanks confirming it.
Excellent review 👍
Great review.... I like the idea of moving it away, against a wall.
One of the only rigs of this type that I can think of that allows this. Drill some hooks in a wall adjacent to a door and you can cleanly hang it away. Only down-side is that the seat does not have on-the-fly inclination
Just got mine. Amazingly sturdy and comfortable.
Enjoy it friend
I looked at lots of different rigs, GT oemga titan, art, prime lite, SIM labs, and a few others....I had a playseat challenge which couldn't really hold a DD and I wanted a DD so that's where my journey began... Full circle, I bought a playseat trophy for £445 delivered. I had a few issues with the aluminium profile rigs, weight, needing to move them etc, and mainly the seat, I didn't want a bucket seat but I also didnt like how much the GT omega recliner seats flex. Did a lot of research and was really happy with the trophy, lots of customisation, I'm 5'11 and have it setup perfectly, Mrs who's 5'4 gets in, I just move the pedal plate forward and she's good to go. It's light so it's easy to move, it's so solid, now have a DD coming with LC, and the seat is very comfortable. Couldn't be happier and bonus is it's beautiful!
I never thought about flipping the pedal plate for F1....hmm might try that
Depends from pedal to pedal if they will fit, when turned around, the curves at both sides of the pedal plate go up instead of down, so they may be in the way of the pedal plate base to mount.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource it's a csl DD and the csl pedals
@@StickyGeko then the little lip of the csl pedals wont fit. It will be too high to fix it for the available slots. Might fit without the csl pedal plate though.
thank you for a very good review
Very welcome sir
Ive been racing on 8nm dd pro wheel on a shitty metal stand for like 3 years. I have allways raced with upwards angle on wheel and at around my bellybhtton. I just orderd this seat do you think the wheel being higher will be a problem. Im 6 foot 3 in usa.
You are significantlt taller than me. Its difficult to say. It will come perhaps just a bit higher than what you are used to, but you'll be fine. Dont worry.
Do you think it’s doable to fold the back of the seat forward every time you want to store it away? Or do tou think its to much off a trouble? And will the metal not withstand the constant tightening and un tightening?
Hmm good question. I guess if there is No other way, you can unbolt it and do it, but I am not sure that you will gain that much space. Allez... its a lot of hassle I think personally. If you really need to put it away every time and store it with minimum footprint, perhaps a Challenge X would be a better choice. Not done a review of the X yet but its a Challenge where they fixed the pedals so cant be bad.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource thanks for the reply, i have the playseat challenge with the lowdownshifter pedal kit, but i am looking for something stiffer. So I though that by removing the wheel a folding the seat foward it would reduce the footprint in such a way that it could be stored away easier given that it is rather lightweight.
@@joaoalbuquerque8347 arghhh... Well as always, you will need to compromise. I think the Trophy is a fantastic seat and out there probably the closest to what you want...
Do you think the VRS wheel base and Pedals is good for this? Or do you think that's overkill and I'm better off with the Alpha Mini and some other lesser pedals?
I have heared people using 2.3Nm wheelbases on this, there are those that have 20Nm wheelbases on this. The question is more, seeing the price and the amount of flex demonstrated in the review. Can you live with it or are you allergic to flex?
@@SimulatedDrivingResourceI saw a little bit of flex with the CSL pedals i didn't notice any for the wheel base.
How many kg of force did you use on the pedals and which Fanatec wheel base is that and how many Nm did you run?
I hear people say they have 20nm wheel bases and use 90kg of braking force with no flex but I don't believe them.
You can see the flex in Will's review (Boosted Media) he used the VRS pedals with the 65kg spring and the DD1 set at 12Nm.
@@SC_46 just a standard 8Nm Fanatec GT DD Pro. Nothing special. I didnt have any load-cell for the test so I am sure Will's claim and footage is valid but I can assure you, for this type, it is the best you will get at this moment.
The Trophy is still my best option because of the smaller foot print and ease to move around. I like it a lot, BUT, this product is flawed in a few ways. 1 the flex of pedal plate, especially if you run a 2 pedals set and have the brake on the left. It will even cause the whole frame to flex a little bit. If you run a 3 pedals set or have the brake right in the middle, less problems. if your pedels doesn't come with a base, more trouble. 2. The seat is comfortable overall but it is a bit narrow around the hip area, it is not exatly narrow but the stitching line on either sides sort of pinches you a little bit. and the Actifit material is not the same Actifit on a playseat challenge, it is stronger, thicker but at the same time, much less breathable. 3. Durability, my first seat torn open in the first week, the second one is showing a little tear on the stitching lines in between hip straps and the thigh straps where the most weight and force due to braking is exerted on. Playseat will send you new seats without a problem. but after warranty expires, it will be a problem. I am 182cm tall weigh 82kg, not exactly a big guy. It is pretty good overall, but if you have the space and budge for a proper rig, get that instead.
Thank you for the user experience. It is always very helpful. The pedal base is by no means flexfree. It is rather thin compared to more heavy rigs, however I do think that within its price and design-category, it is the best out there. I would indeed not recommend this plate without the base plate from the pedals like you say. For the quality of the seating area I am surprised though because I find it very Well made but I guess with the tension that it receieves, it can cause tears like you had. But what do you consider a proper rig? I would recommend a 4080 profile all day which will eliminatie the issues you have now but will also be less style, less user friendly (in terms of getting it out the way), a bigger footprint and a higher price (if you buy a frame and seat).
@@SimulatedDrivingResource If someone loves sim racing enough will end up with an aluminum profile of some kind even if he has to disassemble his bed to make space. Well, jokes aside, by proper rig I mean at least with a real seat, and more conveniently adjustable. Like I said I like the trophy a lot it’s the best compromise I can find.
I only notice flex if I don't tighten the pedal plate screws with enough strenght after slotting it into a chosen position.
How tall are you? If you don't mind me asking. I'm 5'7 myself and wondering if the wheel deck would be aligned properly or not 😟 Thanks!
1m73 and yes, for our height, it can be properly aligned, no worries
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thank you so much! I was wondering about this as I ordered a used one from Amazon at around 420Euros :D
Thanks for the review! In your opinion, is the Playseat suitable for people with a height of 1.70m?
Absolutely.
What about 1.83m?
No problem
I'm 1,90 - new to the whole thing with sim racing. Looking to get my first setup to either PC or PS5, any recommendations? Reasonable budget (seat, frame & wheel/pedals.. 1-1.5k€?)
You are quite a lot bigger than me so its hard to recommend a seat. You saw the review of the trophy and that would be my recommendation for seat... however... the seats (particularly R12) of GT Omega are quite spacious and big...which might suit you better. They have the Art and the Titan which would suit your budget. When it comes to steering wheelbases. If you go console, I believe Fanatec is the way to go with its 8Nm ... On pc, I would opt for the CSL DD too (price!!) Actually. What I would recommend for someone of your height is a min. 30 cm wheel. I think that setup will fall in your budget and it is a decent mid-range choice. Also... for the CSL DD, look at the second hand market. People are going crazy with the new Fanatec bases and prices for the CSL are getting very low. Also Black Friday coming soon and no better day to do a bargain. Hope you have something from this.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Amazing man! Thanks for the well written reply. I assume all this is adjustable? (kinda like a car?) Because here comes the twist, my GF is 1.65 :D
So ideally something that can be used by both, even if it takes some time to adjust in-between sittings
@@adamtson2383 there is quite a difference of height and that is never easy. Especially to change it on the fly. The GT Omega seats come with seat sliders so distance to pedals should be OK. But then there is the position of the steering wheel both in height and depth. Most configurable on-the-fly (standard) and most bang for buck at this moment is the GTO Prime Lite then... but here its bulky, not that pretty (important for a lot of women it seems) and priced a bit higher. Or you can make it yourself like I did... but its still pricey 😁
Or you can find a bigger girlfriend 😈
@@SimulatedDrivingResource hahah, that's always an option :D
Thank you for giving your input, really helps when navigating the jungle. Now i have some options to review and consider :)
I have a 12nm DD, do you think it could be my ring
It is "marketed" to be sold with the DD of Logitech and from my test with the Fanatec 8, it feel sturdy enough so yes.
Hello , Rseat rs1 vs trophy ? Wich better ? Thx for your review .
Trophy. It is updated to the usage of the current hardware. The RS1 is outdated especially when it comes to the pedalholder.
Thank for answer . I hesitate between the two , the trophy seat does not lack rigidity on big braking with a loadcell?
For tubular frames, the Trophy is about the most stable you can get for pedals. I didnt notice any structural issues with it.
how this in compare with GT Omega Titan? did you try Titan? nice review, btw. keep it up, man
Wheelbaseholder of the Trophy is better. Trophy is lighter. I like the seat better on the Titan. The rest, they are comparable.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource great, thanks for the quick response, mate. to be lighter is a key feature for me. will go with Trophy. also as I know his seat is easily washable
@@jackdanyal4329 good choice. I can highly recommend it. Really loved the "portability" of the Trophy. Unseen in that segment of seats. Thanks for the kind words.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource completely agree. and you have a new sub, dude. keep it up. nice review.
How do you like the support of the seat? Is it comfy?
Absolutely. Because of the straps you really have a lot of control of the seating position.
How much NM can support?
Upto 11Nm without much problem.
Thank you ! Very informative. I use the logitech g pro wheel (DD) and from what ive seen, the evolution looks pretty bad due to wobble and flex (and maybe the obstruction between legs), the challenge okay, and the trophy takes the... so it was nice to see my research matching what you said :)
Glad to be of service friend
@@SimulatedDrivingResource cheers just picked up my trophy at the shop. Can't wait to ride :D
🤦🤦🤦 I have fat fingers and accidentally hit 👎 I did correct that and gave the video a 👍
Great review once again my friend 🎉🎉
Could you check if you had the same issue with the last 3 video's? I always have 1 👎😎😎 Just kidding. thank you man for the 👍👍👍💙
@@SimulatedDrivingResource I like your laid back reviews, you don't over hype on your channel which is nice. Some want to way over do it. Yours are good honest reviews 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Can you compare your best laptime with this to your 8020?
I dont think any comparison would be valid to prove which is better. I have been thinking of selling my 4080 and replacing it with something like a Trophy just because it is much more handy for me.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource handy in what way?
I'm asking because Dave Cam said he is half a second slower than on his 8020
Perhaps he tested the Trophy first and he was already warmed up. There are some variables to take into account which can explain it. I really dont think it proves a lot so its a bit pointless for me. And it is more handy for me because I move the rig a lot, have limited space and it is 10 times more efficiënt to change hardware.
I'm in a similar situation, I need to be able to move the rig multiple times per week. I wanted to get a TR80 which is a 4080 as well. But I would need to move it through a hallway and turning into the hallway I would have to elevate one side of the rig so I can swivel it on casters so it will fit. Then of course I can let it down on all 4 wheels after I've turned it. I don't mind the physicality of moving a heavy object if anything I like the challenge.
But it's hard to know for sure what it will be like until you know. So I'm not sure if I will get a TR80 and have the hardware I want or get a Playseat Trophy and compromise the hardware for more convenience @@SimulatedDrivingResource
Earlier you said you might get something "like a Trophy," what do you mean by that? What alternatives to a Trophy are you considering?
The Trophy is quite sturdy you know. Sure, its not perfect but is it really necessary? There is as alternative the NLR GTRacer but havent tested it yet. But in all honesty I doubt that it will be upto par with the Trophy. You have also the GT Omega Titan which is pretty decent but weighs also more...
It cost 480 $ now in Switzerland.
Good price
A little similar to my seat, but not as strong... Which I had a working wheel, won't be going with Thrustmaster again.
Oh oh oh.... Cammus... they will bring out LP8 soon. May be worth to look at that too. Is company in Shenzhen
@@SimulatedDrivingResourceI'll take a look, have seen people playing GT7 with the Moza wheels, they look nice.
@@Enoch-Root right... console compatibility... still not convinced with the quality of those "converters". Should really buy 1 and review it 🙄
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Cammus supports console?
@@Enoch-Root 😕 n o p e
I am stuck between gt omega titan and rseat s1. Big money difference, but s1 seems much easier to configure
Also, do you have a marktplaats page? 😂
I cant say more than I did in the review really.. In the end with RSeat, you will pay for the extra configurability and it just looks more stylish and uses more qualitative materials (not that the Titan doesnt, but you see and feel the difference).
I dont have a marktplaats page, I sell the reviewed gear via 2dehands.be 😎
I have never seen why this cost 600$ as it built like a cheap ikea seat. Production cost can max be like 30-60$...if it had a price tag like 250-300$ then it would be worth it but not for 600, doesn't have the genuine build
To be fair, already just having it painted costs alot of money. I dont disagree with you that it is expensive but looking at the competition, even for 500, its a good deal (compared to the rest, even the GT OMEGA Art that i absolutely love)
qualitative doesn't mean what you think it means
In Nigerian, it does 😎
Thanks for u video is possible to speaking with u on twitter or instagram maybe ?
You mean "x" ? 😏 dsl but dont use any other social media except RUclips. I can help via mail if you want. You can find the mail adress in "about" or use Michael.laus.81@gmail.com.
Is it easy to move?
@@TheDoctor46vr even with all the equipment on it. Yes, very easy.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource sorry i should have been more clear, how about lifting completely off the ground and moving it?
The weight isn't going to be an issue it just might be awkward to hold potentially.
With two people it wouldn't be an issue but i want to be able to do this by myself.
Do you really want me to make a video of me dancing around with a playseat trophy? 😏 normally when you pick it up at the middle on both sides, you can do it. Just for you, when I am finished with my video of the week, I'll demonstrate it in a short😎
@@SimulatedDrivingResource I believe you a video isn't necessary but if you want to make a video you can if course.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource but if you really do want to do me a favour. You can test the Trophy with a camera to see the limit of when the flex comes in from the wheelbase. By changing the Nm until the limit is found.
Will from Boosted Media used the 20Nm VRS and there was some flex but I'm not sure how many Nm he was using. I asked but he didn't reply on this occasion.
You don't remember what the minimum kg of force you used do you? And if it flexed at that setting?
No I dont. This saturday I will bring out a vs video between this and the Titan. Test-pedals will be the v3 pedals and footage of it under load will be included.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource awesome! Would love to see a camera test to find where perceivable flex begins. To find the threshold of where there is no flex.
Would be cool if that was done too for Nm of force feedback.
Because Will from Boosted Media displayed the flex but never said how much force he used and if he found a point of no flex. I asked him and no reply, he's usually good with replies.
Because I talk to others that have the rig and they say there is no flex which i know is bullshit because i've seen it. They can't feel it but it is definitely there.