Why China Can't Make "GOOD" Weapons
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2024
- Dive into the riveting tale of China's military evolution 🛡️, exploring the VN-20, a colossal addition to its arsenal aimed at dominance over East Asia. From its historical roots in war and innovation 🌏, to the intrigue of its creation amidst tensions with Taiwan 🇹🇼, we unravel the origins, capabilities, and controversies of this behemoth. Is the VN-20 a stroke of genius or a step towards obsolescence? Join us as we dissect China's quest for military supremacy, reflecting on the motivations and implications of such grandiose military investments ⚔️🔍. #militaryanalysis #tank #china
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It wasn't Mao who quashed the Taiwanese rebellion in 1949. It was ROC's Chiang Kaishek, who had just lost the mainland to Mao and retreated to Taiwan.
I've read the nationalists and commies "allied" when Japan invaded but the commies just hid out and the nationalists did most of the Fighting. They were probably pretty tattered after ww2
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Yeah, I feel like he just forgot that the ROC exists…
Chiang is a perfect example of what happens to a country who ignores rampant corruption, incompetent military leaders and such, just like the path USA is going down.
@@mutteringmale I think you mean China, not Chiang. Also, the USA has its problems, but they pale into insignificance next to the problems that China faces.
General takeaway on this new IFV is that its oversized, has too many weapons, is extremely hazardous for dismounts to actually exit, it's underpowered and its active-defences are based on russian garbage.
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Well put
The size I think is the real main downfall of the thing, you have way too much of your infantry packed into one IFV. One boom, all gone.
It seems to be designed for bragging rights on paper, without considering battlefield practicality
Slava TSMC 🇹🇼
The VN-20 is basically China trying to create their own version of the Israeli Namer IFV, without any real consideration as to why the system doesn't meet their needs. A super-heavy IFV is great if you have a smaller nation, as the logistics of supplying the vehicles is easy, but China is huge and so supplying a large fleet of giant non-tanks is going to be a huge issue. Also, connected to this, it is going to be VERY hard for China to deliver enough of these to Taiwan to make a difference given the weight, and the current Chinese sealift capabilities.
The forward engine is a good idea, but there is a reason why the Israelis are pretty much the only ones who use it. It provides superior defense, but requires you to work out how to not roast your electronics and optics with radiant heat. The US had a hard time dealing with that issue for our Booker M10 (a copy of the Sabrah light tank), and I seriously doubt that China has had time to work out these issues.
Also, Chinese APS systems are completely untested, and failures in them would render a heavy IFV a liability. In the absence of effective ATGM defense, super-heavy vehicles just consolidate more forces into larger groups to be killed.
The fuel tank and machine guns in the back are just embarrassing. That sort of thing is much less of an issue where you have a rear engine, and thus soldiers are dismounting through a top hatch, but putting that on a vehicle with a rear hatch is amazingly stupid. That design flaw exposes that whoever drew up the final plans for this IFV may be able to copy other IFVs, but their understanding of even fundamental design philosophies is non-existent.
Honestly im not to sure about that if you take into account it has enough fire power to reliable act as a ifv and a mbt in urban environments logistics might opt for bringing these guys into taiwan rather than mbts. Unlike the video states it isnt really that underpowered or over engineered it weighs as much as an mbt with an equal engine.
Only the rear guns seem silly. It will be largely facing pattons bunkers javelins etc so changing the rear guns for aps might be the move.
@@rwouwenaarrw Yeah, it's based on a Namer, which serves that role as part of a heavy urban combat strategy. The thing is, the PLA's training doesn't yet integrate the vehicle in that role. It treats it like a normal IFV.
As we see in Gaza, APS is no longer optional for heavy urban fighting. Without the Trophy, the IDF would have taken significant losses. As-is, they've lost 1 tank permanently, with a couple damaged, none of them to ATGMs/RPGs (the one that got totaled had a 4 story building dropped on it and a couple rolled over IEDs). We don't know how effective the Chinese APS system is, as it has never been used in combat or publicly tested. Hard-kill APS are VERY difficult to do properly, which is why the US and Germany bought Israeli Trophy and Iron Fist systems rather than rely on a domestic system. If China based their system on the Russian Arena (as the rumors are), it likely is non-functioning, and so a heavy IFV is just not viable.
@@thesarcasticliberal we saw north Korea test their hard kill aps with succes its a short step to think they got the tech through China.
@@rwouwenaarrw Show tests like that are meaningless (Russia had them with their Arena too) because they are so easily faked. Also, North Korea CLAIMED to have an APS on their tanks, but didn't actually do a live demo of it. They claim a lot of things, almost none of them are accurate.
There are two ways to prove an APS. Actual combat is the best (which is where the Trophy got its reputation after going 36-0 against Kornets in 2014), and third party demos are second best. In the case of Trophy and Iron Fist, the IDF literally invited the US, Germany, and the UK to come and fire live ATGMs at a test turret equipped with the system. China hasn't done anything similar with their purported system, so I'm holding out judgement on whether or not it's effective. It could be everything they claim, but it could also be just another copy of a Russian system that has proven to be ineffective.
这个项目不需要迎合中国的要求，因为解放军不会使用VN20;VN系列仅用于出口目的。事实上，在珠海航展上展出的设备中，很少有中国自己真正使用的。中东的沙特阿拉伯等国家对这些车辆的青睐就足够了，这就是为什么它们在演示期间通常以沙漠或干旱的迷彩图案展示的原因。
The main gun on this IFV is not 100mm. For reference, the Abrams uses a 120 mm main armament. Originally it used a 105, but was upgraded to ensure penetration of MBT's of other nations. The Leo 2 and Challenger also use 120 mm main guns.
The main gun on this IFV is 30mm, which makes it similar to other IFVs in service today.
It wouldn't be precedent-setting to use a 100mm gun on an IFV... the russian BMP-3 was originally designed with a 2A70 100mm low-velocity gun as its main armament. In serial production, they switched to the 2A72 30mm autocannon.
It is 100 mm. It's the same system that the ZBD-04, so it's a 100 mm low-pressure gun/misile launcher set side by side with a 30 mm autocannon.
Its weight is an issue if it is going to be used in amphibious warfare
@@jamesricker3997 Did they actually say that it's going to be used that way though?
It's the Paracel islands, not Parcel islands.
The package inlets!
Honestly I am always interested in seeing new armoured combat regardless if they are good or bad.
Time to see those "experts" trying to answer the question without even watching the video.
Those 'experts' are invariably ChiCom MilInt officers masquerading as non-ChiComs...
What question? The title of the video is a statement.
You haven't posed any questions. So what are you talking about?
@@spencerstevens2175 He’s preemptively posting about people he perceives as not being experts posting in a certain way without watching the video. And the irony of him posting a response to posts that haven’t even been made yet, while simultaneously digging at people posting responses without watching the video, is almost certainly completely lost on him, because the internet is full of idiots.
@@AlcoholicBoredom ok but what question
@@spencerstevens2175 Is the VN20 and overbloated useless machine?
its like a medium tank without the cannon, its weight is more then some early MBT
Aren't the fuel tanks on the back used to get to the front lines, by which time the tanks will be empty. I don't think this is the only armoured vehicle to do this.
1:31 - more like the Great Leap Backwards.
Indeed.
Looks like they copied the Russian’s T100 this time, about the same weight and of the same usefulness. Quack 🦆 Wuack
My God they do march real pretty
Remember, if they are that well trained to march parade, it's likely they are not that well trained for combat.
The US military for example is know to be a bit crappy with parade but basically can defeat any opponent in combat due to training to kill its opponents not look intimidating
The real question is whether this new infantry fighting vehicle is survivable or tin-like
Ironically, it's pretty much a Namer...but without any of the systems which make the Namer effective, for a country that has needs that are the exact opposite of what the system provides (eg. China isn't small, so the logistics of these is awful). They even took the forward engine concept, which I would bet is going to give them serious issues because of overheating.
Tofu IFV?
The armour is made of 100% military grade chinesium. It turns into powder when exposed to water.😂😂😂
Slava 🇹🇼
at a point quantity and raw production capacity, be it bad, can win you a war
but if you are starved for resources and require a lot of imports your big capacity will grind even faster to a halt
Merci pour la video !
10:50 for the actual vehicle
TY. That history lesson was really bad (sorry, I like the video overall but you weirdly have a lot of CCP-skewed takes in the background history)
Is made in China, and it’s copy of Russian tech, we seeing Russian tech in Ukraine 😂, goodnight
Slava 🇹🇼
eh Russian tech is decent compared to Chinese, at least they are getting experience unlike the untested Chinese.
Belt and road was huge mistake looking back. They can’t and haven’t forgiven a single loan! They are in trouble….
鼠目寸光，燕雀安知鸿鹄之志。美国随意的印刷美金，中国做为最大的债主不去使用，金钱只不过是一堆不断贬值的白纸。用美金换取一带一路国家的基础发展建立市场，利人利己。这种功在当代，利在千秋合作共赢的事。是只会索取，搞技术垄断的西方人不会明白的。
It's good for the wily Chinese, it's bad for all those slow thinkers from 3 and 4th world countries.
It's like watching a carney telling little kids that "If you can hit the moving target with the BB gun you will win a big prize".
I have to wonder if those rear facing machine guns are more “motivation” for the dismounts rather than defense or cover fire for them. The Bradley had side facing weapon ports for the dismounts and they were pretty ineffective.
14:00 I'd be willing to bet that those remote controlled, heavy machine guns...those R/C HMGs...at the rear of the vehicle would, theoretically, also come in handy if and when the unit's Political Officer, "...was bound by sacred honor, and by duty to the Party, to prevent the unwanted return of of those Counter-Revolutionary Dogs who would Dare to turn around and then claim a cowardly 'attempt to regroup and then attack again'...and by doing so, fail to help their Patriotic Unit, the Party, and thus the People, to achieve their Glorious Victory over the Capitalist Swine of our enemy!!"...or something like that.
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Edit: Good video, btw! 🤓
lol- how thick is it's top armor?
There's a brand new "weapon" used in Ukraine very often and very effective: the quadcopter drones. Dji drones for surveillance and the fpv drones to carry warheads. All made in china. Nobody comes close to this quality at this moment.
I am still wondering if the VN-20 is closer to the Ferdinand tank hunter or the Maus heavy tank.
It's so bad it should be in detention.
The vehicle has either the 30mm or the 100mm as its main gun. It doesn’t have both.
@12:37 that looks an awful lot like a 30mm autocannon vs the 100mm seen in other pictures on this video.
8:08 speak both...
continues to list 4 things XD
German PUMA is also big af
Puma is never mean to be deployed as offensive weapons. Certainly not designed for amphibious operations.
great analysis
I thought I saw the VN-20 advertised on Wish.
Constructed with TOFU 😂
This is a vehicle just about the same dimensions of a M2 Bradley, but at twice the weight. The interesting thing about the M2/3 is it's size was considered a liability - making it an easy target. Desert Storm and it's use in Ukraine has demonstrated it's excellent mobility counters much of this disadvantage. The VN-20 being so heavy is going to affect it's mobility, making it a pretty inviting target. The US military has been focusing on making purpose built vehicles - the M1 Abrams for lethal anti armor, M2s for scout and recon in force, LAVs to move troops, and the new M10 Booker to provide direct fire support.
What? JF-17 being a copy of F-16? Guys, tht thing is a rework of a MiG-21 of all things.
EDIT: Israeli Namer IFV on Merkava basis is also over 60 tons, so there is a heavier competitor.
I'm no expert, but something that large would be really difficult to use in urban areas. I mean how many roads could it traverse. Also 6 dismounts sounds trivial compared to the size.....
Come on Red China isn't going to fight with any nation.
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The chinese Y-20 transport jet was the first to use 3D printing in the world!
Another fairly decent video debunked Chinese knockoffs & copies of western designs
Has anyone else seen the potential problem with the 2 rear mg turrets on the VN20?
Does look pretty badass though
"Made in China", still a quality stamp
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And USA cannot have a war with Red China IF they don't want to.
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This thing is almost as heavy as the first generation of the M1Abrams main battle tank; that's like 2/3 more than the heaviest Bradley IFV in US service. Can anyone say "White Elephant"????
Looks like S.Korea is making some of the best infantryman vehicles and Tanks as of lately and the Philippines made a great assault rifle. Japan as well has been stepping up they're game when it comes to Military hardware. China has a lot to beware of when dealing with Southeastern Asian countries. Just my opinion. 😂😅
Ps. Isn't it Cobra Blue?
Well, how big is too big?
They're good enough. Actually. The true mid level.
TOFU-dreg 😂😅😂
1962😂😂😂
7 metres long!?!
They even have shitty MREs
It remind me of world war 2 maus, effective but slow in speed
Fodder for a $500 drone
Sometimes things fail, or dont work,,,,ever.
The NATIONALIST OF CHINS PUSHED OUT JAPAN. Not the CCP
Neither, by 1945 KMT forces struggled greatly in resisting Japanese Forces, and Japan held vast territories, when they were driven out of Manchuria by the Soviet offensive and surrendered shortly after.
Yeah the Chinese were poorly armed and equipped, however the Kuomintang/ROC did receive some military aid during world war 2 but not enough to make an effect, which was why you saw some P-40 Tomahawks and a few Sherman tanks in China. Even though they had a ton of people, they were essentially meat shields and moral was terrible. The Japanese pulled out during their surrender to the U.S and like what the other guy said, pushed out the Japanese in Manchuria. The PRC or CCP took over because the ROC's government was corrupt and beyond saving.
It was the Soviet August Storm offensive that drove the Japanese out. Japanese were beating both chinese forces in open battle.
It would appear that this VN-20 IFV is a white-elephant.
如果我们默默无闻，你也不会做这个视频。我们有句古话：料敌从宽
Why these kinds of videos always go back 100 yrs and give us a history lesson?!
Because in their mind, that's who they think the U.S. is going to be facing, 1970s China.
Algorithm. Always algorithm for content farms.
And why is a lot of the history just… wrong
to pad out the video
Definitely look good HAVEN’T been tested in war time
Bro to china is like sukuna to itadori
9:00 NOPE, Being geographically close yes, cultural, not a chance. Ask the Taiwanese, not the Chinese.
.... "its praised for its large haul that can handle huge loads".... insert mom or ex gf jokes..
All you want to say is "they are not combat proven". That's all.
HJ-12E looks like the javelin
Most likely is a copy.
The narrator forgot to mention that NORINCO also makes rifles, handguns, grenades, and heavy machine guns as well. The Chinese made clones of the M-16 family of weapons from captured M-16s from Vietnam.
Cheap SKS 's too.
The VN20 does not seem to be a usable IFV in "near peer" conflicts. Rather, it appears more suited to suppressing insurrection in an urban environment. Training exercises in one or more of the abandoned new cities might tell the tale.
with this thingy being as big as it is, it wont be useable in an urban environment. It will simply get stuck anywhere except an open plane. And there it will be visible at great range because of its silly size.
This belongs in a 40k tabletop game but not in reality.
Click bait.
Initially I see some major issues here; the future is increasingly looking like small unmanned munition that are cheap and easy to produce.
This this is undoubtedly a monster; but 7 weapons systems!?!? Seems a bit overkill, all that ammunition and fuel you'll need to carry.
The Abrams performance in Ukraine is a good indication of where future warfare is going. It's like battleships of the 20th century navies.
Massive, heavy, expensive and impressive on paper; but outdated in practice.
I think the issue with this logic is that the mere threat of tanks means the enemy has to setup their defenses in a certain way. Remove the tanks. Then the war front changes to fight against other threats and suddenly tanks would've been effective if you had them in that situation. It's weird to think about it like that. This is why an adaptive and versatile combined arms doctrine along with intel is so important. Experts have been warning that Ukraine is not equipped to use western tanks to their full effect because they lack the air power, let alone whether they have the expertise to put it altogether in a unified assault.
@1ProAssassin that's a really good point, I had not considered!
Plus to sort of point out something with m1, the Ukrainian operators of it did not have the same skill set as say an American m1 tank. It also does not have the integrated support forces for it. And it’s not the latest model the USA uses.
Yes technology is advancing, but it still needs fully trained and experienced crews. The m1 is not an easy tank to use or crew. Compared to say the t series which are easy to crew. When the USA goes to war it learns from all other conflicts before hand. Ukraine is giving them lots of experience and information on drones in warfare.
An example of this is the actual losses of tanks by the USA compared to other countries that have the export models.
One last point, the importance of combined arms. Western armies never fight alone anymore. They don’t go just as an infantry unit or tank unit. They now go as mechanized units etc. they bring everything. And they employ it all as one. You can’t say the m1 is terrible and outdated just on 1 conflict where it was taken out.
@@1ProAssassin yes I'm pretty sure Ukraine is just getting a combined arms doctrine very recently. Do they even have any gun ships
Not defending chinese vehicles but diesel doesnt act similarly to petrol. Diesel doesnt ignite from even being exposed to fire but if enough pressure is introduced alongside ignition then you have a similar explosion to petrol fuel. The only issue i see with a foot soldier drenched/tank crewman in diesel is that the barracks will stench of it for atleast a week
I don’t see their advantage so they don’t exist, the frog says
Many good weapons , just you don't see them 😂
We see and review the reality.
Which your eyes can't see .
Ffffffffffff
@@ghostfantasy505 you review, how did you review it? Test it ? Try it? Bought it? So no bullshit
Do not underestimate your enemies.
The one thing everyone keeps overlooking about China when they talk about their equipment and tactics is this. Shawna is learning and is modernizing quite fast faster than anyone thought that they would. And if you notice about the evolution of their equipment they are learning they are testing new ideas. Yes these ideas have already been figured out by the list and it took us decades to learn these lessons but China seems to be learning a much faster than we did and are quickly catching up to our capabilities. They have managed to actually produce better equipment of higher quality than the Russians. and they actually have the manufacturing base to do so Walk the same time getting a lot of foreign military equipment sales. Whatever new equipment rush you can produce but only in the ones and twos China on the other hand is able to produce new equipment in the hundreds and thousands. They are actually slowly becoming a real threat to the west that Russia could not have ever been. The only real threat Russia pose was its nuclear arsenal. China now has a nuclear arsenal and a military capable of facing the West.
It's only virtue shows when facing a defense (trench) line that has little to no artillery support, and next to no AT weapons.
And yeah...that's a _very_ small window to crawl through.
So CHINA outsources labor... That's rich. 😂
The Nazis, particularly Hitler, had a greater and greater obsession with giant vehicles, from the Tiger 1 and Tiger 2 tanks, to the Maus. Ridiculous petrol guzzling machines (that Germany could hardly fill their fuel tanks just once), that could not cross bridges in many cases and were slow and subject to limpet mines attacks by light infantry. Plus, they sucked up more manpower than making two medium tanks. Not the best choice for waging mobile warfare.
Your works show valid points. The only problem is you have already sealed your opinion. Why rhetorical question needed?
Republic of China 🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼
Big equals Big Target
You can call it crap. But also remember the development of the bradley.😂
12:47 *SLAT armor?* You really don't know crap about what you're talking about 😂
Based on all your videos analyzing China's military strength, it seems like China could be defeated easily, but why doesn't it happen?
China is vulnerable, Americans don't have to worry😂
This is an American channel made by a nationalist American. Channel like this are plenty. They never analyze China fairly. Biased and brainwashed.
Keep coping Charlie, USA shits their pants to foght 1.4 billion people with advanced tech and monster of ammo such their APFSDS with 1000 of penetration in 1 km. Youre really funny my guy
@@a.s2156Right, just like how Russia is doing in Ukraine
We should've never given them so much of our military tech.
Mao Zedong worship is the dumbest thing I've ever heard
Unless Lazerpig says it sucks, and RedEffect dissagrees on some minor detail on why it sucks, but still agree it sucks im not gonna take this serious!
3/4 of this video is irrelevant to the title. Also the analysis of the tiger tank is false. The tiger had some of the best off road performance of ww2 but the transmission kept failing and the engine was too small.
so the isrealis,americans,germans and russians are all developing or have developed similar sized vehicles. yest again this is a knock the chinese when in fact they are doing the same as other militaries
USA should learn from Taiwan how ex president gives away position and support for the new president.
It's slightly smaller and lighter than the Israeli Namer, which is based on the Merkava chassis. I'm not under the impression that the Namer sucks.
No, the Namer is amazing. The issue is, Israel has the best APS system on earth deployed on it, and they are a country the size of New Jersey, in the desert. China is giant, so the logistics will be horrible, has high altitude areas which are going to be hell on the engine, and lacks the sealift to effectively deploy them to places like Taiwan. Also, their APS is completely untested, and they don't exactly have a history of following the IDF's ethos of extreme quality over quantity (ie. you know the PLA is skimping on the electronics, armor, and weapons quality on paper so they can provide more of these).
What a shallow and politically motivated report. What a waste of many peoples time other than to identify how much disinformation there is out there
Lol its cute when China spends 60 billion a year. Then you look what America spends. 866 billion.
China spend much more...always lying on their statement...their ghost army of spies hiding across china workers probably cost at least 30billion alone...
21:50....sure. Lol
Government granted monopolies is pretty much the opposite of libertarianism.
Eyyy, I hear tell there's some American soldiers that's gonna be permanently assigned to training our allies just 6 miles off of Chinas coast...whomp whomp China 😂
If this vehicle can slap any Russian MBTs then, it will not be as bad as we think.
a 100$ drone can destroy a russian MBT thats not exactly giing this thing high standurds lol
This will most certainly be a threat to Russian MBTs, even if it's a third or what it says on paper. That isn't a real mark of quality though, as Russian tanks are just trash.
After the war in Ukr well get to see.
Actually I do but not to confuse the average Joe and to go along with many videos. The fact that China rarely license their equipment why confuses the non-military.
One thing that might be worth considering is that this thing isn't aimed at Taiwan but at Russia. Easy to forget that China has outstanding claims to half of Siberia dating back to the time of Tsarist Russia, and Russia right now ain't looking so hot that they might want to renegotiate that border and maybe take back Vladivostok.
Bingo. No one is going to run to help Russia where as the entire region will come down on them plus the US if they make a run on Taiwan. Even if the west wanted to help Russia, it would be mired in politics and getting it there would be very difficult and sparse.
@@spencerstevens2175 I think India would help Russia because Russians helped them in the past and India also has an interest keeping China in check
Nah even is the Ruskies lose the war in Ukraine they'll fight tooth and nail for Vladivostok.
最近中国视频不少，除了陆军和空军讲完了，下次讲海军？
Correction: VN20 is a foreign trade armored vehicle, a supplement to VT4 tanks, and a product of accompanying combat. China will not equip such expensive armored vehicles. The basic VN20 has outstanding defense capabilities, with a frontal defense of 700 millimeters, a top defense of 200 millimeters, and a side defense of 300 millimeters (additional armor and reactive armor can be installed). Optional 1200 horsepower, 1500 horsepower, and 2000 horsepower engines are available. This is a heavy-duty personnel protection vehicle sold to wealthy individuals.
I want to come but I just forget it 😅😅😅😂😂
Nice try with that 2021 Taiwan GDP statistics sleight of hand but you conveniently omitted to mention Taiwan's GDP growth in 2022 was -3.9% and in 2023 it was -1.3%.
So what?😂
Mao didn't suppress the uprising. It's was not as the DPP described to be one sided being the instigator.
President Lai only got about 40% of total votes.