Formula 1 Drivers all time points (1950-2021) - adjusted
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2022
- Disclaimer: this is not any official rating, it is created by me and explained below. Feel free to discuss and give ideas how to improve it for next iteration.
Aim was to take in consideration fact that in the past seasons had less races and drivers careers tend to be shorter:
1. Point system: current (without fastest lap) 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1
2. All half point included (not full races, or drivers sharing cars during race - common in 1950s)
3. Each race points adjusted to 15 races per season (if season has less than 15 races each race gives slightly more points, if more than 15 each race gives less)
4. Each drivers result adjusted to 5 season (if driver races for more than 5 season he gets slightly less points if more that 5 season slightly more)
5. Each world championship +250 points (10 standard wins)
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Hi All,
Please read the description, there are all the details of the system I used.
If you have any suggestions for improving it, feel free to put them in answer to that comment.
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MK
ngl i really dislike the system you used but great video anyways
Suggestion: Drivers in competitive cars separated from driver with world champions non competitive cars
@@milanwyd441 me too :(
However, it should also be taken into account that the races in the 1950s and 1960s were sometimes significantly longer, both in terms of time and distance. There were races up to 500 km. The standardization to 300-310 km only came in the 1970s or 1980s.
I would do the system a little differently:
Once the difficulty of winning a race increases with the number of drivers. So the points for a race should be based on the number of participants. The more riders that participate, the more points the winner should get.
Formula: points = number of racers + 1 - placement
Example: 26 starters
1st place = 27 points
2nd place = 26 points
3rd place = 25 points
..
26th place = 1 point
The three drivers on the podium also get bonus points to increase the weighting of these places.
Winner = +10
Second = +5
Third = +2
So in total:
1st place = 37 points
2nd place = 31 points
3rd place = 27 points
4th place = 24 points
5th place = 23 points
..
The points per race are then standardized according to the race distance, i.e. races of 400 or 500 km are weighted more heavily than races of 300 km in length.
Since today we have a standard length of about 310 km, I would then calculate the points per race = points * race distance (in km) / 310 (km).
e.g. at 500 km:
1st place = 60 points
2nd place = 50 points
3rd place = 44 points
4th place = 39 points
5th place = 37 points
..
26th place = 2 points
The sum of the points from all races is then multiplied by 2 and divided by the number of actual races. So that shorter seasons are weighted slightly higher and longer seasons are weighted less.
i.e. if a driver has collected 400 points in 16 races, he is given 50 points for the statistics
if a driver has collected 300 points in 12 races, he is also rated with 50 points for the statistics
Thus, all important factors (number of races per season, race distance and number of drivers per race) are taken into account and we have a standardized points system that makes all drivers from all eras comparable.
Of course, since this artificial weighting system changes the outcome of each individual season and does not represent the correct order, I would then add points for the real final result of a season. You can use today's system for that.
Historically real champion gets +25 bonus, runner-up +18, etc.
Fangio didn't take part in his first Grand Prix until he was 38 (almost 39) years old and won his first title aged 40. He competed in 7 full seasons and finished first or second every time, in one of the seasons he was second he won every race he finished. He won his 5 titles between 4 different manufacturers, all of those facts are insane.
aye drivers were all older then, not just him.
@@SolidusSnapes For real tho, Fangio's record is impressive, but people say he was 38 like he was racing against a bunch of 20 year olds that have been racing since they were 5, lmao.
Age doesn't matter, those were different times, nowadays age does affect
⅔ of his race entries, he was on pole
More than half of his finished races, he won
⅔ of his finished races he was on the podium
Every stat is the most percentage of any driver
With current rules his records would be impressive, but to be fair people in 1950 would probably say the same about drivers since 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s. It will be same in 50 years that people are just looking at Schumacher, Hamilton "wow they won 7 titles" without having a clue how they won their titles (like we don't really have a clue how Fangio won his titles). History will only remember winners. Nobody is talking about how that one guy would have won, if his engine wouldn't have blew up so often etc.. Having engine that doesn't blow up every race part of the sport though :P It's just speculation (sometimes fun), who actually was the best driver each year and should have won, if his car would have been more reliable.
The fact Fangio was 1st. for 50 years is unbelievable
And at the age he was
Doesn't matter the criteria: Fangio always on top 10.
Yes!
Absolutely mad that it took 48 years for Fangio's record to be broken
That Max is already in this list is insane
Kind of expected when he’s got race-winning machinery for 6 years straight, he’s better than Bottas lol
No it's not, he's been in formula 1 for 7 years
Y'all can argue I'm just gonna appreciate the effort put into this. Amazing work 🔥
You will find some of my videos interesting I think
Amazes me that Verstappen is on there yet drivers like Raikonnen and Rosberg aren't. He's even nearly caught up to Alonso!
It surprised me that Mansell didn't make the cut.
@@alejandrop.s.3942 Mansell was terribly unreliable
@@eggselent9814 ikr, and Piquet used to laugh at him for it, yet he was a superb driver.
@@alejandrop.s.3942 I mean Mansell had speed, that is obvious, but he was intensely crash prone
i think that maybe because for a couple of years there was the old point system that fernando and other drivers had so yeah
Love your videos. Maybe since winning a championship is 250 (25 x 10), finishing second should 180 (18x10) then 150 for 3rd, 120 for 4th etc... Multiplying your race position by 10.
Like for example, Hamilton and Massa in 2008 or Verstappen and Hamilton in 2021 it all went down in the last lap and having only of the two get 250 undermines the efforts of the other IMO.
Good point...
Maybe I will take in consideration how big was the gap between 1st and 2nd and 3rd. Since it is quite a difference winning by 1 point or by 100 ;)
When you look at this you realise how the number of races in a season just exploded, Verstappen already has more points than freaking Lauda
it's adjusted for number of races, there is no advantage to modern drivers
And keep in mind taht even though max is young he has driven 7 full seasons of f1 already.
@@karlorusovan7165 it’s adjusted to modern points. But not number of races.
@@SladesShitboxGarage
Then recalculate it with a standard point system but that would take time. Still worthy though...
Well, he is already above Piquet now.. insane.
Full seasons in Formula 1:
Lewis Hamilton: 15
Michael Schumacher: 17 (18 with 1997)
Juan Manuel Fangio: 8
Alain Prost: 13
Sebastian Vettel: 14
Ayrton Senna: 10 (died racing)
Jackie Stewart: 9
Nelson Piquet: 13
Jim Clark: 7 (died racing)
Jack Brabham: 13
Alberto Ascari: 5 (died racing)
Fernando Alonso: 18
Mika Hakkinen: 10
Max Verstappen: 7
Niki Lauda: 12
And for me, Ayrton is the goat of Formula 1
Nice video bro! 👍
Yeah doesn't seem completely right that Kimi is missing but Verstappen is on here. Points adjusted Kimi should definitely have more points than Verstappen. He has more victories, won the same amount of titles, came 2nd in the championship twice, and 3rd three times, and raced in like three times as many seasons. Something must be missing there, or maybe I am misunderstanding the system.
Also someone in the comments pointed out Niki Lauda was missing one of his championship bonuses. Not sure how much there is to that. But yeah, these are my thoughts.
Yoy,right,If you look at his info-1873 points without counting these points system from 2001-2009.
Great Video, very interesting I think this is the closest you can get if you want to compare f1 in the 50s with modern f1
Not really because the amount of races each season is completely different
the most mad thing is max being on the list at just 24 years old
Age is not relevant here because different drivers on this list started F1 at different ages , he's the only one that started F1 at the age of 17 and had 7 seasons to collect those points , it pales in comparison to Fangio who started at 37 , only races 52 GPs and won 5 championships with 2447 points .
Love your videos, and this one is great! At least the top really reflects what I feel like the greatest of all time drivers. If I were to do that, I would not change the points distribution per race (as pilots raced according to the rules of their championships, not the 2021 rules), but would only give % of total championship points or similar. So a win by Hamilton in a 20+ races season would be far less that a win by Farina in a 6 races season.
Also, something is off with Nikki Lauda: look in 1978, he only has ~550 pts, whereas he already has 2 championships under his belt. I feel like he's missing one of the 250 points bonus from championships and should finish somewhere in the ~1200s next to Jim Clark.
I have something similar on the channel you might wanna check
If fangio was born in like 20 years earlier in about 32 he could have won atleast 10 championships
I assume you mean born 20 years later?
@@tobywoods9874 yeah shit thanks for telling me
I like the wayMax just creaped in at the last second.
He will do a lot of climbing upcomming years
who knows maby youngest 5 time world champion lewis was 33 when he got his 5 championship if max had 5 in a row he would be 28
@@Dutchempireball he still has 5 years to keep level with Lewis. He won his 2nd at 29
@@Dutchempireball This mainly depends in the car in F1 and only secondarily on the driver
@@arroe8386 true i hope redbull has a good car so he can fight for the title
I liked it a thought has gone into this
This is one great ranking
Do you plan to make another video with points to who finishes second and third in the championship also? I had an idea.. Finishing second with the same car as the champion gives less point than finishing second with the car from other team, because he had a championship winning car but didn't win the championship
Fangio's accomplishments are doubly remarkably when considering he also competed in sports car races in the 1950s, which included the Mille Miglia and the Targa Florio . . . and lived to tell about it.
Proving once again Fangio was the greatest
I'm guessing Prost was only higher than Senna because he raced for longer. Great vid as always!
prost was a race genius btw.
Ehhh Prost never lost to a teammate in todays points system
@@feerumfeeerum5360 well... the old points system was due to unstable cars DNFs 5 races of 16. So pretty understandable tbh. But yeah. Prost was such a genius. If it wasn t for senna, he could be 7 or 6 timer.
Overall Prost was better than Senna so it shouldn't be a surprise.
Prost finished 2nd in the championship 4 times. Should have had at least 1 more title from the times he got yeeted by Senna at Suzuka.
Max is Michael's successor
There are 16 multiple time world champions in F1 and to add four single Championship winning driver as in Mansell , Raikonnen , N.Rosberg and Verstappen . And if there was a one weekend race including qualifying and race , all of them driving same engines and same car performance in any of the current F1 tracks . Who would you back and put your money on to win that race ?
Depends on the car. If it's modern then the older guys don't have much of a chance. Same goes the opposite way.
we will never know as they all had different competition, machinery and teams. maybe if they had all raced together lewis could have been the best by far or it could have been clark or schumacher or rindt its impossible to know.
I would even say that they needed different qualities to be best at different times, like you said we will never know, but people will always discuss it :)
@@MKF1_official definitely true for example rosberg knew he had to play mind games in order to beat lewis
And guys in the 50s and 60s were just mental ;D
how long did this take??? incredible!
I wonder what is the performance calculated here per years they have raced, so that we would have average performance per year statistics too. I think Fangio would be first with a good margin and Schumacher would be second
Kimi has over 100 podiums and he isn't on the list????? Do the math, he should be on the list
Fan of Hamilton. Respect to Fangio and Schumacher. Looking forward to seeing Verstappen, Leclerc, Sainz, Perez competition in the coming years - even Mick - like his driving.
Leclerc already has 850 career points ^^
Always wonder how Kubica would have gotten on in a Ferrari. Alonso is best for me.
I thought Mansell would be in the list during the 90's, yet he didn't even appear.
Michael is great
what application do you use?
flourish.studio
Do the #2, #3, etc. in the Championship standing also get points, or does only the winner get 250 points? I feel it would paint a more complete picture if more than just the champion get points.
For now only champion got extra points. I was thinking about that, but I did not want to give to much points to constant #2 in dominating team (Bottas, Barichello for example).
Do you have maybe proposal how much they should get?
@@MKF1_official Maybe 100 for 2nd and 50 for 3rd
@@MKF1_official well, I don't see that much of a difference between awarding the second driver and awarding the first driver of a dominant car
Well, at least 1st one was best of that two dominant cars.
@@MKF1_official But is it really worth 10 race wins every time you beat Bottas in the championship?
And now CONSTRUCTOR’s points with current system
Wheres peterson. If ur doing modern time score system
C’mon man where’s Kimi?!?!?!
You just forgot Kimi 🙄
Prost>Senna
Interesting idea, however, the results feel wrong (not from a math-perspective):
- Lewis so far ahead?
- Verstappen and Häkkinen ahead of Lauda (even Alonso is hard to argue for me)
They have far more races now and it is only in the last 20 years or so that 8th and then 10th place get any points. It used to be only top 6 get points and until the 1990s there were only around 50% of the amount of races per season. Someone like Fangio raced for 7 years and only had around 50 races. Lance Stroll in 7 years will have had around 150 races.
Maybe award some points for pole position
Thanks for idea - good point to add that :)
where is Kimi?
Lo curioso es ham entra altop en 2014 JA
i thought daniel ricciardo had 1200 points or something like thats
where the hell is kimi
Haven’t watched the video but I’m guessing Lulu is 1st and Schumi is 2nd
make new one its more max
My old system was 9,6,4,3,2,1
I’m getting old Lol 😂 so I’m
hahaha
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