When you consider the closest people to Batman, Nightwing and Superman, the dude naturally gravitates to optimists who see the best in the world and that justice doesn't have to be upheld through the shadows. He'd absolutely respect and befriend Cap.
Batman has met Captain America. There was a great deal of respect. Joker and Red Skull meanwhile, only worked together because their attempt to kill each other on sight didn't work...then Joker found out Skull was a Nazi...
@@Phantom24-w3cI could argue he could be either he has amazing willpower sure but his ability to inspire others to stand and fight when beaten bruised and alone is amazing he would be a great fit for either or personally I think he would get will but when he inspirers others to stand and fight he would definitely be worthy of a blue lantern ring.
@@PotatoWithALaptop he wouldn't have that ability to inspire had he not had the willpower and drive to join the army when everything's was against him 🤷 Without the willpower to become captain American the only thing he's inspiring is bigger people to beat his ass 🥱 He's a blue lantern because he's a green Lantern
@@getthedunkon9347 without the will to become CA tf is he? He's definitely not fighting hydra across Europe he's sitting back home in Brooklyn sad af 🤷
With how in many continuities, Alfred fought in WWII, I can totally imagine Alfred having met Cap at one point. Or at least seen him in action. Which would be pretty cool to see.
Reminds me of the old Marvel and DC crossover where Batman and Captain America are forced to fight each other and the whole time they're basically planning on how to get out and complimenting each other
Also the Punisher made the Joker pee his pants in another crossover. as expected Batman ain't fond of him but I'd love to see Red Hood meet the Punisher
That wouldn’t be Batman’s response nor would cap even ask that question Bruce doesn’t take pride in the playboy image Cap wouldn’t ask that because unlike iron man Batman doesn’t even need the suit even if cap was angry at Batman he wouldn’t use that line
@TariqTheGuy Depends on what kind of front Bruce is putting up. He always likes to be in control and assume he's the most capable person to do that, so maybe Steve calls him out on his colder approach idk. Depends on the writer of this hypothetical fanfiction lol
@@GuyNamedGray in a case where caps knows who Batman is then he would reply with that unless it a very specific public setting in a very specific case that probably won’t happen
@@Phantom24-w3cI mean it’s not like he’s in ww2 anymore, he’s not gonna try not to kill if doesn’t have to, him being in modern day saving lives automatically makes him a “superhero”
Cap would get along perfectly with so many members of the Justice League. Green Lantern is his fellow soldier, Clark Kent his fellow idealist, Bruce appreciating the way Cap strives to make the world a better place as a human and inspiring people. Wonder Woman probably remembers fighting along side him in World War 2 even.
If Steve and Diana fought against the axis together in WW2, she probably would also try to keep in contact with Logan, Namor, and the rest of the Golden Age Marvel heroes.
The big issue between the two would be Captain's willingness to kill even in extreme situations. But honestly I can see him respecting, accepting and upholding Batman's ideals especially if he has a means to uphold them. I think Captain America would highly respect someone going by the no kill rule. After all Batman doesn't kill because of two reasons, one- he doesn't think he can come back from that, he believes he'll continue to kill and in the end he'll be the monster. His second reason is the one I believe the Captain would agree with; If someone is alive they can still redeem themselves, they can still change and become a good person.
I don’t see Batman even having a problem with Cap being willing to kill when need be, because he’d know and respect Cap’s restraint. Bruce wouldn’t think less of Jim Gordon, a police officer, if he had to use lethal force on someone. Because he knows Jim and knows if Jim had to do it, it’s because he HAD to do it. He’d think the same of Steve.
Batman doesn't kill because he doesn't believe that he has a right to arbitrarily decide who lives and dies. He also deals mainly with those who are insane as psychologically scared in need of help, and is a symbol of hope to Gotham. So he tries to inspire faith that the justice system can work and to route out corruption. Captain America is part of that system and also didn't usually kill his opponents, but has the authority to do so. In 6 the comics for decades, he only killed 5 people, and those were in extreme situations where the death was unavoidable. Captain America didn't even kill the Red Skull, but instead allowed his foe to die due to the self-inflicted poison in his system.
@@TheShockVox That Jim Gordon point is veeeery good. I was thinking Captain's more loose "no killing rule" could really annoy Bruce, but you are absolutely right
Steve's willingness to kill came from the fact that he was a soldier and nuances of being well read on political and moral stances. He knows the necessary evil he must do and minimizes casualties as much as he can. In fact, he might be able to make Jason Todd understand why Batman can't just kill.
Batman would be pretty understanding considering Cap was basically in World War 2 just a few years ago due to his circumstances. and it's not like Cap kills like the Punisher, on several occasions Cap has ended up beating up and jailing the Punisher. Also Batman has met Captain America and The Punisher, praised Cap and kicked the Punisher out of Gotham for trying to kill the Joker (pun pun made em pee he pants and batman was jealous cause he can't scare joker like that)
I remembered a cross-over What If where they where both were in the same universe and it felt like they belonged together. They meshed so well. Even in Marvel vs DC and and Avengers vs Justice League they preferred to work together than fight each other.
Yeah, that comic where they teamed up in WWII when Joker and Red Skull had teamed up, though Red Skull was keeping things hidden to get Joker to steal the atomic bomb. It was fantastic.
I honestly think Cap would be pissed when Tower of Babel happens. Steve Rogers stands for honesty and integrity, and the contingencies would remind him of stuff like Pleasant Hill, Project Wideawake, and that time Tony put mind-controlling probes into supervillains.
Honestly I think Cap would understand his reasoning. While he wouldn't trust Batman as much he would definitely see the necessity of contingency plans in case someone gets mind controlled again. He'd be more mad that he wasn't protecting those plans well enough
@@Casual-Yohoho-EnjoyerRight, but the fact that the info was collected was a plot hole anyways. There really wasn't a single cameramor security measure or something? Yeah. The security he placed was in recovery instead of protection
@gingerfox-nf4gy that's the thing people don't understand about people not liking the plans it's not that they exist it's that he didn't tell anyone or make countermeasures for If someone got and used them it's also that they're unnecessarily cruel that's the leagues problem with them.
@@FartsForEyesdeathstroke is also part of a super solider experiment and in the comics he is stronger and more agile than captain america. He even has a healing factor
I can imagine cap and Alfred meeting during ww2 and when cap goes to Wayne manor, either as a guest of Bruce Wayne or to discuss some stuff in the batcave, he meets Alfred and says “ Sargent pennyworth?” Or whatever rank Alfred would be during the war
I don't know how old Alfred is or what battles he fought, but I can see Alfred being the son of Pennyworth senior and Cap just recognises a familiar face of a soldier he once knew.
I imagine Cap as being like Superman. In that case, I can see Cap and Bruce getting along like Clark and Bruce get along, albeit Steve would PROBABLY not too much agree with Bruce letting his kids fight crime.
Depends on which cap. Bucky originally was a teenager in the comics and Cap just went along with it. Then again, I think some recruits during WW2 were teens.
@@christophergarcia3695so was Steve I think however he would probably ask if they were at least trained and decided to join while he may not like it he won’t argue against it unless necessary after all despite him being weak smaller than most and asthma he still wanted to join the military so at best Steve wouldn’t like it but not fight against Batman physically but ask the right questions needed
@@christophergarcia3695 Ehhh I’m going by they’ll probably either use that to their advantage and make it so that Cap doesn’t approve of it because of his own experience with losing Bucky (although in that case I think he’s able to sympathize with Bruce over how he felt when he lost Jason on a personal level) or they’ll just ignore it because Marvel doesn’t too much do teenage sidekicks and Stan Lee never liked the idea anyway.
Bruce: I can't stand Stark. He's a self absorbed narcissist willing to put innocent lives in danger to achieve victory. Steve: He's not...entirely self absorbed, but I agree that he can be duplicitous at best. Wanna go for drinks? Bruce: I'm watching my weight. Steve: Its on me. Bruce: Fine.
Batman is almost like a super soldier , have you seen his strength and his knowledge of mastering almost all martial arts . "There is nothing mere about that mortal "
One topic I’d like to see discussed is how Kingpin would work as a Batman villain. He’d fit right into the Rogues gallery, while also contrasting nicely against the Arkham weirdos and yet still intimidating enough to work as a threat. Not only for the Bat but for Bruce Wayne as well. While Batman fights the crime side, Bruce would have to fight Fisks influence on the politics of the city. Also his sheer size making him a physical threat to the dark knight. And just the design is a nice contrast. Batmans black against Kingpins white suit. Simple, but it works.
I imagine Batman would be good friends with Captain America and Spiderman. The situation in Avengers Civil War would be interesting as Spiderman joins Iron Man's side, and Captain America is the main guy of his side.
That would be interesting because Batman believes that hero's should have restriction's, but he also believe's in privacy (to a degree) and freedom of choice which the Sokovia accords deny
It was a very young Peter Parker, six months since the spider-bite, who joined Iron Man. The Peter we usually see in the comics would probably have joined Cap.
@@MarkJacksonParkESyeah I doubt Tony even told him the real reason he probably said captain America is going against the government or some bullshit if Peter was older and actually read the accords he would join cap Tony is manipulative at times and it causes a lot of problems
Oh yeah, Batman would totally have a soft spot for Spiderman, would remind him a bit of his eairler sons maybe. Speaking of which, I’d love to see Spiderman and Nightwing/Robin interact.
If batman was in the marvel universe, i would love to see how he deals with hulk since Hulk is basically bruce's motivation personified. For those who don't know, in one of the hulk's origins, he wasn't created by the gamma radiaticion, he was a a second, way more violent personality that bruce created when he was little to deal with his abusive father. When bruce left home, the hulk personality kinda slept, until the radiation woke him up against and gave him super powers. Is literally hero motivated by childhood trauma vs childhood trauma given form. I would if batman could be one of the few people that could look pass all the destructive potential and see hulk for what he is: a traumatized child with super powers, in the both of a adult.
@@roseoliveira6709 Batman fought the Hulk in the most B's fight I ever saw. It was the Batman vs Hulk crossover from 1982. Batman releases a gas, kicks Hulk in the stomach to open his mouth, Hulk takes the gas and falls asleep. Like the Hulk would even feel that kick.
@@adrianomoraes5992 Yeah, these was a lot of that going on whenever there was a Marvel/DC crossover comic in those days. They even pulled that "Batman impossibly beats a Marvel Character" crap years later by Batman decisively beating Carnage in a Batman/Spider-Man crossover story.
i wonder how batman would feel about someone like dr doom. sure doom is a villain but he genuinely does believe what he does is for the beterment of humanity, and batman would definitly do his research on doom and see how well he treats the citizens of latveria.
@@ashuprice9719 I'd argue closer to his feelings of Black Adam (super powered leader of a nation that does horrendous things to people outside his country if it benefits the people in it). Luthor doesn't use his intelligence to help humanity out of spite for superman and his nature. Doom doesn't use his intelligence to help humanity because he feels he needs to be in control first (and time travel has revealed whenever he is in control of humanity, he uses his intelligence to help)
Ra's Al Ghul also fights a cause he believes is the right one and Batman still opposes him. Batman is uncompromising in his ethics and sense of morality that he wouldn't hesitate to bring Doom down, even if he isn't all bad and does some good.
He wouldn't... Cap is pro killing which is the entire reason joker goes after Batman. He wants Batman to kill. Cap would be all for killing the joker in an instant. And joker hates the idea of dying a meaningless death with no climatic finish so just simply being insta killed would be jokers worst fear and he would want NOTHING TO DO WITH CAP
Batman due to his absolute belief in Captain America doing the right thing and being a leader. I can imagine him nodding his head and say “Cap will lead the mission”
Both Batman and Captain America have moral codes. not to mention there was a comic collab of MARVEL and DC where the enemy was Hydra. And the funniest thing is that even the Joker wanted to fight Red skull lol.
Both Cap and Joker hate nazis (I forget what series it was, but Joker is Jewish and goes full agro on nazis). And Cap is nothing if not a team builder. I think it could actually end well.
It's good to see this kind of crossover discussion--rather than just violently smashing them together like action figures, and whining about "who'd win." Realistically they both would, because they'd help each other out.
The same reason why Superman and Batman are the best dynamic duo. They are polar opposites but have a deep respect for each other abilities and as people. Superman respects Batman’s resolve and intelligence while also seeing his softer side underneath the darkness. And Batman respects Clark’s humanity despite his god like power.
I used to say as a kid that i felt like cap should have been a DC hero 😂 for some reason he just gave me that sense of aspiration and admiration that DC heroes often did where marvel heroes were more relatable on a emotional level DC had characters i aspired to be like (solely based off of the kind of comics I read as kid/ at the time) I think but then I realized as I got older if he was in the DC universe he would not get any attention tbh, he’d probably be a C rank hero. Solely because DC abandons just about anyone that isn’t in some relation to their trinity unfortunately 😭 especially some of their classic heroes from the golden and silver ages of comics
Honestly these two would be solid friends if the writers don't make Batman the standoffish, doesn't bother answering simple questions semi-prick he often seems to be in certain stuff, if you understand what I mean
Steve and Bruce will definitely love each other, and Batman will definitely stand by Captain America in the civil war, literally in the Lego Batman movie, Batman said "Ironman sucks" 😂😂😂😂😂
Thinking about it, isn't Alfred a war vet? Couldn't Alfred have know Steve from way back when and maybe not worked eith the man personally but be able to talk to him and whatnot after missions and the such? Not only would it make an interesting dynamic as ones a British vet and one an American vet, but also would add to the mythos of Steve Rogers in young Bruces mind. Would be so interesting to see.
I believe that they definitely will work well together. Both are selfless and courageous. Both are fully dedicated to the idea of a hero and saving people. Both hate the idea of killing. Both have great control over their minds and emotions. Both are hardworking. So yes Batman and Cap will be great friends.
5:19 I can see Cap and Alfred having some sort of backstory or shared history because of WW2, Cap having served after all and Alfred having worked in MI-6
The issue of sidekicks would be something that they would butt heads over, there is reason why cap never got a second sidekick and none of the avengers have side kicks to the same degree that bat does
And besides, most sidekicks are children. In fact how old was Dick when he got taken, hell, even Jason. Steve definitely believes that children should not get involve in their issues. Remember that one scene from AoU? He understood Wanda and Pietro immediately when Agent Hill (unintentionally) tried to make Steve indifferent.
The one thing I think might spoil their friendship is the no kill rule. Steve was trained as a soldier first so I've always believed he has less of an issue killing an enemy than Batman would. It wouldn't be his first or favorite choice, but I can't imagine he'd lose sleep over bashing Joker's skull in with his shield. Once something like that happens, Bruce would probably lose whatever trust he had in Cap. As pointed out by a couple other people, the man out of time wouldn't think very highly of the dark knight's contingency plans either.
There was a time when Steve became deeply distrustful of the government and changed his alias to Nomad. If that were to happen while Batman was around, that would solidify the alliance.
I like to think Steve would have that Superman effect on some crooks and henchmen, where he appears, looks at them disapprovingly, they have that epiphany about their lives, and are so ashamed they just give up.
The one singular thing I think they would clash over is that Captain America is okay with killing people who he considers to be morally compromised to a certain degree, whereas Batman considers every single life to be sacred regardless of how evil the person is.
See issue #2 of the 2003 limited series JLA/Avengers. In it, they meet, they spend 1 page testing one another, decide NOT to fight (like everyone else is doing), and then spend the rest of the issue cooperating to get to the bottom of what's going on. Cap even makes the observation that (at THAT point in time), they both had teenage sidekicks who had been killed. Highly recommended. 'Nuff said.
the best part is that they actually have worked together to take down red skull and joker when cap and bucky are sent on a secret mission stateside during WWII where they meet batman and robin in gotham. while it's definitely not canon (joker and red skull die in a nuclear blast at the end and dick grayson, who has taken over as batman with bruce jr as robin finds frozen cap 20 years later in the epilogue), the comic shows them to actually know about each other and respect each other deeply. they fight together at first as captain america and batman, but also fight each other as bruce wayne and steve rogers. when they fight they're so equally matched that is shocks the both of them. eventually bruce figures out who steve is and steve even realizes that bruce is batman as well and then they work together again. oppenheimer is also in the comic lmfao it was pretty fun to read. Batman/Captain America for those interested.
I actually think what these two would fight over the most is, Batman's contingency plans, I feel like a pre-civil war cap would be upset about the trust in his team, and post civil war cap would be more upset because it'd feel like he's doing what the government would have done given the chance. Also the more I think about these two, I kinda hope one day, even if it's past my life time, there will exist a Marvel DC mixed universe, where all characters exist in the same story. As long as I get them in comic form so we can jump story to story to story. We get crossovers, but a pure mixed universe where we have the justice league and the avengers both existing but doing their own thing, the hero's being familiar, maybe some Marvel characters joining the titans, even both's lesser known characters interacting with each other, ect.
Generally I agree, but the one counterargument I'll make is that Captain America doesn't trade lives, while Batman puts the mission first (at least, based on their DCAU/DCEU/MCU personas).
I feel like Bruce Wayne would have to pretend to like Tony and Cap would hate Bruce but once he puts on the suit he drops the act and gives his the Batman treatment, this all assuming Bruce still has his secret identity but tony and cap are public
The Winter Soldier (comics) storyline reveals that Bucky was 20 during WW2 and it is shown in the early issues of Young Avengers that it is Bucky's apparent death that makes Cap opposed to the idea of young superheros. He get's over this eventually but I think the 'Robins' situation would be an interesting point of friction between Steve and Bruce. At least initially.
I can imagine cap and Bruce Wayne talking and cap in a moment of respect telling him that if he had been given the super serum he would become exactly what he is right now
Genuinely speaking, In my opinion, the biggest difference between the Avengers, and the Justice League is the fact the Justice League tend to be in agreement on the task at hand while the Avengers bicker and argue. Seriously, The JLA don't agree all the time, but they don't have major clash of ego and personalities that the Avengers have. That is actually what make both teams Great.
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When you consider the closest people to Batman, Nightwing and Superman, the dude naturally gravitates to optimists who see the best in the world and that justice doesn't have to be upheld through the shadows. He'd absolutely respect and befriend Cap.
Absolutely. Superman is Batman’s favorite hero for a reason. Nightwing’s too.
Don't forget Shazam. There was a time when the JL thought of booting him due to him being a kid and Bruce was one of the few who vouched for him.
It's the other way around ....the optimists gravitate towards him
@@IsaiahAcevedo-ot1wt It's both ways.
Batman has met Captain America. There was a great deal of respect. Joker and Red Skull meanwhile, only worked together because their attempt to kill each other on sight didn't work...then Joker found out Skull was a Nazi...
If Captain America was in the DC Universe, he would be a Blue Lantern, which is powered by Hope.
@@SpammytheHedgehog he'd be a Green Lantern
His willpower to join the army is the reason he becomes Captain America in the first place
@@Phantom24-w3cI could argue he could be either he has amazing willpower sure but his ability to inspire others to stand and fight when beaten bruised and alone is amazing he would be a great fit for either or personally I think he would get will but when he inspirers others to stand and fight he would definitely be worthy of a blue lantern ring.
@@Phantom24-w3c His name is literally manufactured to inspire. He's hope.
@@PotatoWithALaptop he wouldn't have that ability to inspire had he not had the willpower and drive to join the army when everything's was against him 🤷
Without the willpower to become captain American the only thing he's inspiring is bigger people to beat his ass 🥱
He's a blue lantern because he's a green Lantern
@@getthedunkon9347 without the will to become CA tf is he?
He's definitely not fighting hydra across Europe he's sitting back home in Brooklyn sad af 🤷
With how in many continuities, Alfred fought in WWII, I can totally imagine Alfred having met Cap at one point. Or at least seen him in action. Which would be pretty cool to see.
That’d be Cool. Unfortunately it dates Alfred more and more, and I don’t like a decrepit Alfred
DC had is own Cap, the name's General Glory, I think
@@TheShockVox Nah its ok Alfred fell in the Lazerus pit that one time
@@TheShockVox Everybody gets old Vox.
@@TheShockVoxDontcha ya know? Death fears Alfred cause of Batman... She doesn't want Batman on her ass like that.
Reminds me of the old Marvel and DC crossover where Batman and Captain America are forced to fight each other and the whole time they're basically planning on how to get out and complimenting each other
Also the Punisher made the Joker pee his pants in another crossover. as expected Batman ain't fond of him but I'd love to see Red Hood meet the Punisher
I'd say Nighthawk would fit better, but that name is already taken
Captain America: Without that suit, what are you?
Batman: A genius billionaire playboy philanthropist.
Captain America: Not again.
"I'm also a detective, martial artist, and a father." 😎
That wouldn’t be Batman’s response nor would cap even ask that question
Bruce doesn’t take pride in the playboy image
Cap wouldn’t ask that because unlike iron man Batman doesn’t even need the suit even if cap was angry at Batman he wouldn’t use that line
@TariqTheGuy Depends on what kind of front Bruce is putting up. He always likes to be in control and assume he's the most capable person to do that, so maybe Steve calls him out on his colder approach idk. Depends on the writer of this hypothetical fanfiction lol
@@GuyNamedGray in a case where caps knows who Batman is then he would reply with that unless it a very specific public setting in a very specific case that probably won’t happen
In hand to hand batman washes 🤷 Steve got paws but batman is like that
Imagine if Captain America joined the Bat Family. Steve would be called, the "Eagle." 🦅
I think that name’s already taken… but maybe Alfred’s willing to hand off that mantle to him. :p
What If found their new episode concept
@@DragonTrainer201 Wait say what?
"the eagle of justice"
NOOOOOO
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The Batman and Captain America jumping would be insane they’re putting hands on villains
Not even Darkseid is taking that jumping.
Bruh the shield combos with batman will be amazing
batman learning how to use the shield would be hype
Cap: day shift
Bats: night shift
Captain America is basically the nice version of Batman with Superman's ideology.
He will kill you though if you are evil enough.
@@timdao9381exactly, unlike Batman and more like superman.
@@timdao9381 he will kill you if you're just following orders 🤷 stop treating Steve like a superhero he's a soldier
@@Phantom24-w3cOK really?
@@Phantom24-w3cI mean it’s not like he’s in ww2 anymore, he’s not gonna try not to kill if doesn’t have to, him being in modern day saving lives automatically makes him a “superhero”
Cap would get along perfectly with so many members of the Justice League. Green Lantern is his fellow soldier, Clark Kent his fellow idealist, Bruce appreciating the way Cap strives to make the world a better place as a human and inspiring people. Wonder Woman probably remembers fighting along side him in World War 2 even.
If Steve and Diana fought against the axis together in WW2, she probably would also try to keep in contact with Logan, Namor, and the rest of the Golden Age Marvel heroes.
And Alfred
@@DemitriVladMaximov Wonder-Woman as a member of Cap's Invaders.
This warms my heart. Superheroes fighting is cool but superheroes teaming up is even cooler
The big issue between the two would be Captain's willingness to kill even in extreme situations. But honestly I can see him respecting, accepting and upholding Batman's ideals especially if he has a means to uphold them. I think Captain America would highly respect someone going by the no kill rule. After all Batman doesn't kill because of two reasons, one- he doesn't think he can come back from that, he believes he'll continue to kill and in the end he'll be the monster. His second reason is the one I believe the Captain would agree with; If someone is alive they can still redeem themselves, they can still change and become a good person.
I don’t see Batman even having a problem with Cap being willing to kill when need be, because he’d know and respect Cap’s restraint. Bruce wouldn’t think less of Jim Gordon, a police officer, if he had to use lethal force on someone. Because he knows Jim and knows if Jim had to do it, it’s because he HAD to do it. He’d think the same of Steve.
Batman doesn't kill because he doesn't believe that he has a right to arbitrarily decide who lives and dies. He also deals mainly with those who are insane as psychologically scared in need of help, and is a symbol of hope to Gotham. So he tries to inspire faith that the justice system can work and to route out corruption. Captain America is part of that system and also didn't usually kill his opponents, but has the authority to do so. In 6 the comics for decades, he only killed 5 people, and those were in extreme situations where the death was unavoidable. Captain America didn't even kill the Red Skull, but instead allowed his foe to die due to the self-inflicted poison in his system.
@@TheShockVox That Jim Gordon point is veeeery good. I was thinking Captain's more loose "no killing rule" could really annoy Bruce, but you are absolutely right
Steve's willingness to kill came from the fact that he was a soldier and nuances of being well read on political and moral stances. He knows the necessary evil he must do and minimizes casualties as much as he can. In fact, he might be able to make Jason Todd understand why Batman can't just kill.
Batman would be pretty understanding considering Cap was basically in World War 2 just a few years ago due to his circumstances. and it's not like Cap kills like the Punisher, on several occasions Cap has ended up beating up and jailing the Punisher. Also Batman has met Captain America and The Punisher, praised Cap and kicked the Punisher out of Gotham for trying to kill the Joker (pun pun made em pee he pants and batman was jealous cause he can't scare joker like that)
I remembered a cross-over What If where they where both were in the same universe and it felt like they belonged together. They meshed so well. Even in Marvel vs DC and and Avengers vs Justice League they preferred to work together than fight each other.
I remember in one crossover they bonded over both losing a teen partner (this was before Bucky and Jason were revived)
@@BreakerX42
The JLA Avengers Crossover comic.
That was a great moment.
Yeah, that comic where they teamed up in WWII when Joker and Red Skull had teamed up, though Red Skull was keeping things hidden to get Joker to steal the atomic bomb. It was fantastic.
I honestly think Cap would be pissed when Tower of Babel happens. Steve Rogers stands for honesty and integrity, and the contingencies would remind him of stuff like Pleasant Hill, Project Wideawake, and that time Tony put mind-controlling probes into supervillains.
Honestly I think Cap would understand his reasoning. While he wouldn't trust Batman as much he would definitely see the necessity of contingency plans in case someone gets mind controlled again. He'd be more mad that he wasn't protecting those plans well enough
@@Casual-Yohoho-EnjoyerRight, but the fact that the info was collected was a plot hole anyways. There really wasn't a single cameramor security measure or something? Yeah. The security he placed was in recovery instead of protection
Not really in avengers earths mightiest heroes cap had iron man make a contingency plan for red hulk when he joined the team .
@gingerfox-nf4gy that's the thing people don't understand about people not liking the plans it's not that they exist it's that he didn't tell anyone or make countermeasures for If someone got and used them it's also that they're unnecessarily cruel that's the leagues problem with them.
To be fair, Batman wouldn't need any fancy contingencies to take out the avengers. Maybe strange and hulk but he could take the rest out very fast
Captain America is basically Deathstroke but with Superman moral code
Maybe a tad weaker and lacking a healing factor but Cap would smoke Slade most of the time.
Would Deathstroke be like Punisher or Wolverine versus Cap? That is, he would not want to fight him out of sheer respect.
Does Deathstroke have super human strength speed and agility…I thought he was just a normal dude unlike cap
@@FartsForEyesdeathstroke is also part of a super solider experiment and in the comics he is stronger and more agile than captain america. He even has a healing factor
“The First Super Soldier. Always wanted to cut down the legend. Never thought I’d get the chance.”
“No worries. You still don’t.”
I can imagine cap and Alfred meeting during ww2 and when cap goes to Wayne manor, either as a guest of Bruce Wayne or to discuss some stuff in the batcave, he meets Alfred and says “ Sargent pennyworth?” Or whatever rank Alfred would be during the war
I don't know how old Alfred is or what battles he fought, but I can see Alfred being the son of Pennyworth senior and Cap just recognises a familiar face of a soldier he once knew.
@@santaboy4818 depending on the canon he could’ve fought in ww2
Bucky Barnes?
I imagine Cap as being like Superman. In that case, I can see Cap and Bruce getting along like Clark and Bruce get along, albeit Steve would PROBABLY not too much agree with Bruce letting his kids fight crime.
Depends on which cap. Bucky originally was a teenager in the comics and Cap just went along with it. Then again, I think some recruits during WW2 were teens.
@@christophergarcia3695so was Steve I think however he would probably ask if they were at least trained and decided to join while he may not like it he won’t argue against it unless necessary after all despite him being weak smaller than most and asthma he still wanted to join the military so at best Steve wouldn’t like it but not fight against Batman physically but ask the right questions needed
@@levievil9220 actually Steve was in his early twenties when he enlisted
@@christophergarcia3695 that actually depends on timeline
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Ehhh I’m going by they’ll probably either use that to their advantage and make it so that Cap doesn’t approve of it because of his own experience with losing Bucky (although in that case I think he’s able to sympathize with Bruce over how he felt when he lost Jason on a personal level) or they’ll just ignore it because Marvel doesn’t too much do teenage sidekicks and Stan Lee never liked the idea anyway.
Bruce: I can't stand Stark. He's a self absorbed narcissist willing to put innocent lives in danger to achieve victory.
Steve: He's not...entirely self absorbed, but I agree that he can be duplicitous at best. Wanna go for drinks?
Bruce: I'm watching my weight.
Steve: Its on me.
Bruce: Fine.
Batman: do you know what you have and stark and i don't? Captain America: what? Batman: at least we will put in a check
Bruce complaining about Stark to Cap,
Superman in the background... "So you hate him cause he's basically you turned up to 11?"
Batman is almost like a super soldier , have you seen his strength and his knowledge of mastering almost all martial arts . "There is nothing mere about that mortal "
Yep, Even though there was a comic and there was batman vs cap and the fight ended a draw
I can’t think of a single DC hero that would hate Captain America
Batman and Bruce Wayne
Maaaaaybe a very young Oliver Queen, but he’d change his mind quickly.
John Constantine and Guy Gardner
Booster Gold because he thinks he steals his thunder
Booster Gol- shit, I thought nobody had heard of him
The two characters have shared the page twice, Marvel vs DC and JLA vs Avengers, on both occassions that mutual respect was there.
Yup
In JLA / Avengers, both teams voted Cap leader. Batman agreed.
3 times. There was also a Captain America x Batman Comic.
They’ve essentially done this already in several comic crossovers. They both deeply respect each other.
One topic I’d like to see discussed is how Kingpin would work as a Batman villain.
He’d fit right into the Rogues gallery, while also contrasting nicely against the Arkham weirdos and yet still intimidating enough to work as a threat. Not only for the Bat but for Bruce Wayne as well.
While Batman fights the crime side, Bruce would have to fight Fisks influence on the politics of the city.
Also his sheer size making him a physical threat to the dark knight. And just the design is a nice contrast. Batmans black against Kingpins white suit. Simple, but it works.
Imagine walking down the street and you see joker getting wombo combod by batman and captain America at the same time...
Then Steve brings the death blow and Batman can only look away.
@@thalasowo3373Captain America could totally convince Batman to support the act, bro is great at delivering speeches
"Ya know tony, you could learn a thing or two from the guy in the bat costume"
I imagine Batman would be good friends with Captain America and Spiderman. The situation in Avengers Civil War would be interesting as Spiderman joins Iron Man's side, and Captain America is the main guy of his side.
That would be interesting because Batman believes that hero's should have restriction's, but he also believe's in privacy (to a degree) and freedom of choice which the Sokovia accords deny
It was a very young Peter Parker, six months since the spider-bite, who joined Iron Man. The Peter we usually see in the comics would probably have joined Cap.
@@MarkJacksonParkESyeah I doubt Tony even told him the real reason he probably said captain America is going against the government or some bullshit if Peter was older and actually read the accords he would join cap Tony is manipulative at times and it causes a lot of problems
Oh yeah, Batman would totally have a soft spot for Spiderman, would remind him a bit of his eairler sons maybe. Speaking of which, I’d love to see Spiderman and Nightwing/Robin interact.
He would probably be masquerading as bruce Wayne trying to make a new treaty or a middle ground between the two sides
If batman was in the marvel universe, i would love to see how he deals with hulk since Hulk is basically bruce's motivation personified.
For those who don't know, in one of the hulk's origins, he wasn't created by the gamma radiaticion, he was a a second, way more violent personality that bruce created when he was little to deal with his abusive father. When bruce left home, the hulk personality kinda slept, until the radiation woke him up against and gave him super powers. Is literally hero motivated by childhood trauma vs childhood trauma given form.
I would if batman could be one of the few people that could look pass all the destructive potential and see hulk for what he is: a traumatized child with super powers, in the both of a adult.
I think most people know that the gamma rays didn’t create the hulk personality it was always there the rays just woke it up
Hulk also rarely kills his enemies, even in World War Hulk he just hurt them really bad. Similar ironic enough to Batmans methods.
Batman would probably take step's to keep Bruce calm, however would have secondary measure's in place, just in case
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Batman fought the Hulk in the most B's fight I ever saw. It was the Batman vs Hulk crossover from 1982.
Batman releases a gas, kicks Hulk in the stomach to open his mouth, Hulk takes the gas and falls asleep.
Like the Hulk would even feel that kick.
@@adrianomoraes5992 Yeah, these was a lot of that going on whenever there was a Marvel/DC crossover comic in those days. They even pulled that "Batman impossibly beats a Marvel Character" crap years later by Batman decisively beating Carnage in a Batman/Spider-Man crossover story.
In avengers vs justice league cap and bats are paired together for most of the story and get along great
Came here to say this. Still might.
i wonder how batman would feel about someone like dr doom. sure doom is a villain but he genuinely does believe what he does is for the beterment of humanity, and batman would definitly do his research on doom and see how well he treats the citizens of latveria.
For every time doom is portrayed as a just ruler he’s also then immediately followed up as being portrayed as evil.
The same way he feels about lex Luther
@@ashuprice9719 I'd argue closer to his feelings of Black Adam (super powered leader of a nation that does horrendous things to people outside his country if it benefits the people in it).
Luthor doesn't use his intelligence to help humanity out of spite for superman and his nature.
Doom doesn't use his intelligence to help humanity because he feels he needs to be in control first (and time travel has revealed whenever he is in control of humanity, he uses his intelligence to help)
Ra's Al Ghul also fights a cause he believes is the right one and Batman still opposes him. Batman is uncompromising in his ethics and sense of morality that he wouldn't hesitate to bring Doom down, even if he isn't all bad and does some good.
@@billyboleson2830friendly reminder he’s on Santa’s nice list
The image of Nick fury having a cup of coffee with Batman is kind of humorous to me
They both put justice and tge lives of innocent before themselves. I respect that.
I think Steve and Bruce would probably train together as friends too
I feel like joker would be just as tempted to break cap of his ideals as he is with batman
He wouldn't... Cap is pro killing which is the entire reason joker goes after Batman. He wants Batman to kill. Cap would be all for killing the joker in an instant. And joker hates the idea of dying a meaningless death with no climatic finish so just simply being insta killed would be jokers worst fear and he would want NOTHING TO DO WITH CAP
Batman due to his absolute belief in Captain America doing the right thing and being a leader. I can imagine him nodding his head and say “Cap will lead the mission”
Both Batman and Captain America have moral codes. not to mention there was a comic collab of MARVEL and DC where the enemy was Hydra. And the funniest thing is that even the Joker wanted to fight Red skull lol.
In a cross over they had Batman meet Daredevil and he is one of top 10 people Batman respects the most!
I want to see how Captain America handles Batman villains. Especially, the Joker.
He would put the joker down
@@ashuprice9719 True. Hell, if Batman and Captain America talked for more than 10 minutes, Batman might put Joker down himself.
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Both Cap and Joker hate nazis (I forget what series it was, but Joker is Jewish and goes full agro on nazis). And Cap is nothing if not a team builder. I think it could actually end well.
@@timtheskeptic1147”I may be a criminal lunatic, but I’m an AMERICAN criminal lunatic!”
-The Jinkler, to Red Skull
It's good to see this kind of crossover discussion--rather than just violently smashing them together like action figures, and whining about "who'd win." Realistically they both would, because they'd help each other out.
The same reason why Superman and Batman are the best dynamic duo. They are polar opposites but have a deep respect for each other abilities and as people. Superman respects Batman’s resolve and intelligence while also seeing his softer side underneath the darkness. And Batman respects Clark’s humanity despite his god like power.
Yo Captain America in a Batman tier suit would be even stronger by a decent bit.
I think Cap would become Nomad immediately if he was in DC because there is no way he would want to be anywhere near Amanda Waller and DC's government
Bats would love Captain America for the same reasons he and Clark get along so well.
These two have met each other before but if they existed in the same universe yeah, these two would get along.
Spider man and Blue beetle would be the best paring by far
Cap would be Public leader. Bats would intelligence advisor. Which is a bigger deal for Bruce in giving orders
Great analysis! Thanks for putting together this video👍
5:06 Except Spiderman I'd like to add to that.
I used to say as a kid that i felt like cap should have been a DC hero 😂 for some reason he just gave me that sense of aspiration and admiration that DC heroes often did where marvel heroes were more relatable on a emotional level DC had characters i aspired to be like (solely based off of the kind of comics I read as kid/ at the time) I think but then I realized as I got older if he was in the DC universe he would not get any attention tbh, he’d probably be a C rank hero. Solely because DC abandons just about anyone that isn’t in some relation to their trinity unfortunately 😭 especially some of their classic heroes from the golden and silver ages of comics
Love all the Batman 2004 clips, nice to see that show being shown for how good it is
It would be interesting to have a crossover with Cap and Bats and to end the story with both of them working out in the Avengers Tower gym together.
Oh imagine Steve meeting Jason Todd. Steve and Bruce isn't the money here, Steve and the bat family is.
Yeah they would be besties!😊 I like to believe Cap would pick up a swear word or two just to impress Batman but not fully understanding the word!😂😂
Cap was in the marines he probably has heard much worse that and he has cussed before he just prefers not to
Honestly these two would be solid friends if the writers don't make Batman the standoffish, doesn't bother answering simple questions semi-prick he often seems to be in certain stuff, if you understand what I mean
I agree 110% they would love each other for sure
Steve and Bruce will definitely love each other, and Batman will definitely stand by Captain America in the civil war, literally in the Lego Batman movie, Batman said "Ironman sucks" 😂😂😂😂😂
I can see them respecting and befriending each other
5:32 Alfred would’ve been a medic
But no one else would connect
Deadpool and peacemaker would absolutely love each other
Thinking about it, isn't Alfred a war vet? Couldn't Alfred have know Steve from way back when and maybe not worked eith the man personally but be able to talk to him and whatnot after missions and the such? Not only would it make an interesting dynamic as ones a British vet and one an American vet, but also would add to the mythos of Steve Rogers in young Bruces mind. Would be so interesting to see.
They touch on these two at the end of the DC Vs Marvel comics cross over back in the 90s.
I would like to see what if Disney's gargoyles where in the DC comics world
Now do Batman and Cyclops. Seriously, can you imagine giving those two an ongoing. They would be THEM.
Cap is basically supermanpersonality wise.... Of course they will be friends
AWESOME video but what do think Ultron & Brainiac's dynamic with each other and who do you think would win in a fight. ?
meanwhile batman roasting clark in dark knight return bkz he does what president tells him
I believe that they definitely will work well together. Both are selfless and courageous. Both are fully dedicated to the idea of a hero and saving people. Both hate the idea of killing. Both have great control over their minds and emotions. Both are hardworking. So yes Batman and Cap will be great friends.
5:19 I can see Cap and Alfred having some sort of backstory or shared history because of WW2, Cap having served after all and Alfred having worked in MI-6
The issue of sidekicks would be something that they would butt heads over, there is reason why cap never got a second sidekick and none of the avengers have side kicks to the same degree that bat does
And besides, most sidekicks are children. In fact how old was Dick when he got taken, hell, even Jason. Steve definitely believes that children should not get involve in their issues. Remember that one scene from AoU? He understood Wanda and Pietro immediately when Agent Hill (unintentionally) tried to make Steve indifferent.
I suspect that they would eventually have a falling out, after Cap discovers Batman's contingency plan for him.
"I'm Batman."
"I am Steve Rogers."
Dare-Devil and/or Punisher would have an interesting dynamic with Batman. I also would love to see Clark Kent mentor Peter Parker.
The one thing I think might spoil their friendship is the no kill rule. Steve was trained as a soldier first so I've always believed he has less of an issue killing an enemy than Batman would. It wouldn't be his first or favorite choice, but I can't imagine he'd lose sleep over bashing Joker's skull in with his shield. Once something like that happens, Bruce would probably lose whatever trust he had in Cap. As pointed out by a couple other people, the man out of time wouldn't think very highly of the dark knight's contingency plans either.
They got along pretty good during the 90s after they fought eachother.
There was a time when Steve became deeply distrustful of the government and changed his alias to Nomad. If that were to happen while Batman was around, that would solidify the alliance.
I like to think Steve would have that Superman effect on some crooks and henchmen, where he appears, looks at them disapprovingly, they have that epiphany about their lives, and are so ashamed they just give up.
Captain America feels like he would fit right into the DC Universe honestly
What do you mean love eachother , you mean like and respect eachother right
Honestly, I get the feeling it would be Alfred or the pennyworth family that would be connected to cap
10:26 WOuldn't nearly losing Bucky end up with them on opposing sides with this one?
Batman always vibed with the big blue boy scouts
The one singular thing I think they would clash over is that Captain America is okay with killing people who he considers to be morally compromised to a certain degree, whereas Batman considers every single life to be sacred regardless of how evil the person is.
Oh yeah there would definitely be a bromance there
I can imagine them doing missions together, just remember the ship scene in Captain America the Winter Soldier.
See issue #2 of the 2003 limited series JLA/Avengers.
In it, they meet, they spend 1 page testing one another, decide NOT to fight (like everyone else is doing), and then spend the rest of the issue cooperating to get to the bottom of what's going on.
Cap even makes the observation that (at THAT point in time), they both had teenage sidekicks who had been killed.
Highly recommended. 'Nuff said.
the best part is that they actually have worked together to take down red skull and joker when cap and bucky are sent on a secret mission stateside during WWII where they meet batman and robin in gotham. while it's definitely not canon (joker and red skull die in a nuclear blast at the end and dick grayson, who has taken over as batman with bruce jr as robin finds frozen cap 20 years later in the epilogue), the comic shows them to actually know about each other and respect each other deeply. they fight together at first as captain america and batman, but also fight each other as bruce wayne and steve rogers. when they fight they're so equally matched that is shocks the both of them. eventually bruce figures out who steve is and steve even realizes that bruce is batman as well and then they work together again. oppenheimer is also in the comic lmfao it was pretty fun to read.
Batman/Captain America for those interested.
With Cap active during the day and Batman at night, there would literally be no crime in the entire city lol.
Good video
I actually think what these two would fight over the most is, Batman's contingency plans, I feel like a pre-civil war cap would be upset about the trust in his team, and post civil war cap would be more upset because it'd feel like he's doing what the government would have done given the chance.
Also the more I think about these two, I kinda hope one day, even if it's past my life time, there will exist a Marvel DC mixed universe, where all characters exist in the same story. As long as I get them in comic form so we can jump story to story to story.
We get crossovers, but a pure mixed universe where we have the justice league and the avengers both existing but doing their own thing, the hero's being familiar, maybe some Marvel characters joining the titans, even both's lesser known characters interacting with each other, ect.
"batman wouldn't have a tower like the avengers" my brother in christ he funded a space station for the justice league
Generally I agree, but the one counterargument I'll make is that Captain America doesn't trade lives, while Batman puts the mission first (at least, based on their DCAU/DCEU/MCU personas).
I think they’d initially clash cause I see Cap as more of a do good Boy Scout whereas Batman is a vigilante.
I feel like Bruce Wayne would have to pretend to like Tony and Cap would hate Bruce but once he puts on the suit he drops the act and gives his the Batman treatment, this all assuming Bruce still has his secret identity but tony and cap are public
The Winter Soldier (comics) storyline reveals that Bucky was 20 during WW2 and it is shown in the early issues of Young Avengers that it is Bucky's apparent death that makes Cap opposed to the idea of young superheros. He get's over this eventually but I think the 'Robins' situation would be an interesting point of friction between Steve and Bruce. At least initially.
Batman and Prowl (transformers) could have a really dynamic relationship depending on adaptation
"And Iiiiiiiiii-y-iiiiii will always love you!"
They actually got along very well in JLAvengers
they'd get along until there's a super hero registration act
I can imagine cap and Bruce Wayne talking and cap in a moment of respect telling him that if he had been given the super serum he would become exactly what he is right now
Genuinely speaking, In my opinion, the biggest difference between the Avengers, and the Justice League is the fact the Justice League tend to be in agreement on the task at hand while the Avengers bicker and argue. Seriously, The JLA don't agree all the time, but they don't have major clash of ego and personalities that the Avengers have. That is actually what make both teams Great.
Batman & Wonder Woman would be a power couple. One of Eartg's steongest.
Nah leave it to the dcau