Im sorry the beyond suit and several of his "shit gotta fight a kryptonian armours" are death glaring you just because he doesn't default to the tech suit doesnt mean he lacks the ability to field tech suits @colereed7411
Iron Man's choice to refuse any access to his technology by any government, maintaining a policy of keeping his weapons outside the hands of war, and never trading with any military, would the the thing that would hang in Batman's mind when judging Tony's character.
If we put them in the same world, we’d have to consider the past the two would have. Tony Stark crashing Gotham Balls and Galas and getting smashed, trying to get in with Bruce until he’s captured by the Ten Rings. This could color Bruce’s idea of him.
@@goldjaw The sudden shift in behavior and morals, after going missing for several months in the war ridden Middle East (or Vietnam [or Sin-Cong] depending on the continuity), would absolutely tell Bruce all he needs to know: Tony went through a life changing experience that recontextualized his entire relationship with the world and its problems, prompting him to pull his company out of all unethical ventures, and take up arms as an active combatant against threats to mankind, pooling his resources toward improving the world and no longer actually giving a damn about profits for profit's sake. That is almost an exact mirror of Bruce Wayne's course of action after his parents's deaths.
I think Batman would intellectually understand that Tony is a hero and is doing good things and would approve of some things, but they are just people so fundamentally different that they wouldn't be close friends. I think Bruce would dislike Tony as a person, respect the way he has clearly changed as a person and has put his family's business towards more noble ends, but still dislike working with him and wouldn't want to do it outside of the big global events.
@@NightWing1800 Exactly. There are many Leaguers, hell, most of the Green Lanterns (except for Simon and Jessica), that Batman trusts, he knows they're good, he knows what they believe in, but he *still* doesn't like them *as people.* Tony would be no different, even is Bruce would understand and empathize with him very well, Tony's just too grating of a human being for *most* people, let alone Bruce.
I feel like, if Marvel and DC were a shared universe and not two separate things, we would see Batman and Ironman fight just as many times as we see Hulk and Thor fight
Knowing how petty both are, their fights would be like 20% actual brawls and 80% trying to one up eachother like: BM: stark, how is going? Still have 10x my money but still struggling to create weapons against world level threats? IM: actually, i create one last month and now i'm mass producing it. And you? Still have one watchtower? I made it 7, just last week. BM: oh, you're talking about the ones i hacked and now I have complete control over it? IM:... think you're smart, don't you? Well, i noticed that for "the best detective in the world", you sure use the batcomputer alot to solve your cases, let's test your skills without it, shall we? While we were talking, jarvis hacked into the bat cave system and gave your computer the blue screen of death. BM: OH YOU MOTHA-
Why? I think Stark and Batman would agree on almost anything. They are very pragmatic. The only point of contention would be Batman is technically a criminal. But if he was part of an organisation, that would no longer be the case. Stark and Batman are way more similar than Stark and Captain America for one
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Yah it just comes down to ego and social interaction. Both are dedicated heroes and good caring people. It's just that Tony doesn't have 2 identities, Iron Man is his hero name but he and Tony Stark are completely the same person, vs Batman who's identity isn't publically known, and thus despite being the same person, Bruce Wayne and Batman asre still 2 different personas. Bruce is just purposly made to be a typical egotistical rich philanthopist and non sexual lady's man and social, while Batman is barely social aside from the necessities and a few genuine friendships he lightens up a little with, but Batman is constantly keeping his dark and brooding mood to terrify his enemies. Tony is also more egotistic, arrogant, reckless, and open to people, but still keeps his most important things closly guarded like his tech. Overall it comes with different risks. Batman is slower to react to dangers as Bruce Wayne as he needs to change, vs Tony being publically known as Iron Man can near instantly suit up depending on the kind of suit he has at the time, but Tony's more public identity means his villains are more likely to target the people he personally connects to, while Batman's enemies as long as they think he and Bruce are seperate will only try and go after one of them for different reasons.
When did stark ever hate a super hero of high intellect? He would love Batman, they would banter and tease each other sure, but hate? Never. There is nothing about Batman Stark could truly hate. They even have similar "lost their family" trauma to share.
I see Bruce keeping it professional. But Stark strikes me at the guy to bring in petty grievances. At least to annoy the other person, he would probably not go through with them till the bitter end?
@@Emma-QueenofhellHe’d be neutral, and be the most reasonable person. Just like how Tony and Steve are the 2 opposite ends of the spectrum. Batman wouldn’t bow down to the government but he would definitely not let free reign over the Avengers, that’s the whole point of Justice League: Doom where he leaves the Justice League because of their failure to acknowledge they could be a threat. Batman wouldn’t agree with Iron Man and he would still make contingency plans against Steve and his squad
@@ChaoticEvo fair, there’s an argument to be made Wolverine may put Peter to shame with shit he’s been through, atleast if we’re talking comics alone, I’m not even going mention Guts… 💀
Captain America and Captain Marvel both fought against him in civil war 1 and 2. Now they are all on a Avenger team together and are getting along pretty now. So could be the same with Batman depending on the writer.
@@LetsTalkComicsHQhe probably would give him some jabs , but Batman knows he can go too far. A few batglares during Dark Reign, but would help clean up the mess
@@reizophoenix8275 Never stop any hero. If you throw $#it at the fan, you got some stinky eyes , because when you are at the other side you're gonna do the same as them.
Can I just say how much I appreciate that most of the Batman footage you're using is from 2004's 'The Batman'? That really is an underrated version of the Dark Knight.
Batman tolerates Green Arrow, who's also a flashy billionaire vigilante but Green Arrow at least doesn't take himself too seriously. Tony thinks he's God's gift to the world.
Really their status and intelligence are the only things they have in common. Just look at their fighting stiles. Batman's a literal ninja. Stealth, subterfuge, infiltration, investigation, psychological warfare, defeat in detail, hand to hand combat, those are batman's skills. Iron Man on the other hand is more like a flying artillery battery. Full speed ahead, bursting in all guns biasing (sometimes literally) and if that doesn't work it's because he's not using the right caliber. Even their contingency plans to beat the members of their own team couldn't be more different. Batman's plans differ greatly for each team member, exploiting different aspects including psychological weaknesses. Often to the point that some of his contingency plans hinge entirely on that psychological weakness. Iron Man however just builds a specialized suit with specific armor and weapons to deal with each member of the avengers.
@@louisbabycos106 Tony would be able to (like Hulkbuster), but unlike Batman he is unlikely to have files on everyone. Where Batman will plan for every single contigencies, Tony is more likely to improvise on the spot.
@@louisbabycos106 Probably it depends on how well he knows them. I'm referencing a fight from the Marvel Axis story line when heroes and villains got their moral compass flipped. The unaffected avengers couldn't beat evil Iron Man due to the specialized suits, but the affected villains could because he had no experience with them.
I feel vindicated Edit: Bruce isn't entirely a persona. Sure, the playboy, drinker, negatives etc. parts are definitely acts, but the man generally has a good heart, and is mostly still that kid in the alley on the inside, never wanting what happened to his parents to happen to anyone else ever again.
@@derp.crapcrackers Not even close, Batman vowed the day of his parents murder that he’d never kill so that no one would ever have to feel his pain. That’s why he doesn’t kill has nothing to do with Bruce Wayne.
I dont remember who said it but, the true identity kinda flips and flops between writers of "Batman is the true self" and "Bruce Wayne is the true self (Minus the playboy aspects)"
Iron man: Do I know you? Batman: No Iron man: Jarvis analyze his voice and face Jarvis: Bruce Wayne Iron man: Hello Brucy, is this your kink? Batman: I hate you
Two things.... 1) Bruce Wayne is the mask... if you meeting Bruce Wayne is not the same as meeting Batman. 2) I feel like Batman would have contingencies to keep facial and voice recognition software from identifying him.... after all, he has that stuff as well, so testing out ways to counter them shouldn't be to hard...... especially since some irl facial recognition software can (apparently) be fooled by (not joking) a pair of glasses.
@@13KuriMasterTony’s tech is superior to Bruce’s tech, this much is known, so it’d be more than viable Tony could still pickup and grab Bruce’s voice at the very least, and that is public knowledge being he’s held tons of interviews n shit like that for people to see when he’s not Batman
Think Iron Man's heroic side is majorily understated here. Like sure, compared to Batman, Tony Stark is far more of a loose canon, and has instances of being a bratty businessman, not too distinct from Booster Gold, whenever his paranoia hasnt gotten the better of him, and he ends up on the opposite end of trying to "put an armor over the world for the sake of controlling chaos that has gone out of hand... But the Red and Gold Avenger isnt just his mistakes, he has actively used his wealth to improve the world, he has gone out of his way of dismantling war profiteers, he has even teamed up with the X-men for the sake of helping mutants in recent stories, and has likewise formed a bond with Captain America as well as Spiderman because despite it all, he has a good heart. Now sure, I do imagine Tony and Bruce could end up having a lot of banter with each other, but dont think they necessarily would become estranged enemies or the like.... Because even the Batman has gone through similar arcs of wanting to enforce more control over the super heroes after some mahor problems, as well as building counter measures to everyone, including friends. Plus Bruce do have moments where he can appreciate humor, even if he doesnt always admit it. Bruce and Tony would just have a rivalry more than anything, probably with a "funny man & straight man" kinda dynamic in any moment outside Marvel's edgy civil war phases.
Yah, Bruce and Clark get along very well, and when not in their hero identities Bruce will lighten up quite abit, but as Batman he doesn't lighten up much, but Clark by now knows him well enough to guess Batman's probably laughing internally, or sees a slight smile, somethign he'd never do around villains as he knows he can relax a bit around other trusted heroes like Clark and Diana. Simply put, Batman's the kind of guy who keeps his emotions mostly under control, he's analytical and calculating, paranoid to a degree, but he's kind, friendly, and when he needs to be will lighten up such as if a child is scared or crying he'll drop the scary Batman act and let out a bit more softness.
There was a comic of Avengers and Justice League towards the end agree to work together and Cap let Superman have his Shield. And heroes let Steve Rogers run teams between Avengers and the Justice League. People were coming in and out exchanging characters in the big battle and Steve having to keep up with the changes and needing to adapt.
I think at first they’d hate each other but slowly grow a friendship where they are very competitive with each other like how Batman and green arrow are
They would be great partners but terrible friends. Iron man would be the distraction while bats would sneak in. They’d be a great yin and Yang. The small parts of the opposite within themselves include their ultimate desire to be good, being rich, and intelligent. Everything else is different 😂
Batman: Multiple troops on high alert. Think you can find a way to get in. Ironman: **smirks and come busting in gun blazing** Batman: works for me. **use the other way**
They don't hate each other and never did, they didn't exactly get along but their relationship was far from hatred, Adam has talked about this on his RUclips channel multiple times
Probably just the metahumans like the music miester Batman villains don’t tend to have powers or at least they tend to be artificially created like I think ivy was a chemical error or poison tests while freeze obviously has is cryogenic accident and mutants must have there genes from birth
@@МаксБурый-р2юYa when I was reading Marvel Masterworks, I was kinda surprised to find that Tony hid his identity for a very long time, of course the most likely reason he revealed it was because of his 2008 movie, but then again that plot point could've been inspired by a comic run I'm not too familiar with (fyi I'm only up to the 70s iron man comics which according to marvel themselves aren't all that great but I'll be the judge)
I think that Ironman and his suit around the world and Batman and his contingencies would vibe very well together. Take the Ironman when Bendis was writing Avengers from Breakout through Secret Invasion where he was constantly collaborating with Reed and Hank Pym, and the Batman from the era around Tower of Bable. I could see them being frenemies always wanting to make the world a better place, but not knowing exactly wanting everyone to know the exact tactic, tech, or method. Meanwhile they would have a friendly rivalry where they wouldn't want the other to know the secrets. Also I think Ironman could really reverse engineer and track Bat Tech / Wayne Industires easier than Harold Allnut or Lucious Fox could reverse engineer and track Stark Tech. Because Wayne Industires is the heavy lifter for Batman's gadgets while Tony Stark is the driving force of Ironman.
Bruce: As a man, I'm flesh and blood, I can be ignored, I can be destroyed; but as a symbol... as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting. Stark: Why not just monopologize the weapons industry?
@@Sjono really, that's the best argument you can come up with?? You're going to focus on a word an ignore all the contect?. 5th graders argue like that
@@kazemizu Yes because you brought it up. 🙄 Someone being carefree isn’t all that it takes for Batman to hate someone. There are other factors that would result in him disliking someone
Batman and iron man have different philosophy for similar issues. Bruce Wayne wouldn’t get along with tony stark more than Batman disagreeing with iron man (if you consider civil war mcu, Batman would’ve sided more with captain America tbh.).
I think he would see both sides. Batman I think would believe Avengers need to be in check, especially ones like Wanda, Thor, Strange and the Hulk that could do the most destruction in the least amount of time on their own compared to the rest of the Avengers. On the other side, he would be against the government having control of where the Avengers can go. I think he would maybe try to get the attention of both sides in Marvel Civil War to see you all can be a great asset to your world or the weapons that destroy your world with what many of you can do and you need to help keep each other accountable. Maybe get Tony to see, yes, what Steve did by hiding the truth from you was wrong, but your background isn't entirely perfect either and if you can forgive yourself at all for your weapons being in the hands of terrorists then you need to forgive Steve.
I don't understand how people who make these kinds of Batman and Iron Man comparison videos always undersell Tony's heroic aspects to the point of portraying him as a borderline villain. They seem to just ignore his heroic actions in favor of judging him based purely off of his personality as a playboy and his representation as Superior Iron Man, when he had quite literally had his alignment magically swapped to evil.
It’s cause he is a slight hair away from being a villain . He is literally the grossest “superhero “ out of all of them. Better virtue comparison would be Batman and Captain America- that’s someone Batman would respect and understand who he really is and would possibly even have him in the inner circle w supes and Diana and the fams- but he would be the only one out of all of them and I can see Capn never saying a word and understand why Batman is the way he is .
@maladacav8819 dude that's like me calling batman a villian cause most media depicts him as this edgy emotionless guy who refuses to put down monstrous criminals like the joker but will jump for joy at the chance to game end superman
@@maladacav8819No, that’s straight up false, I don’t think much of y’all know much of the character outside of the movie of 2008 and Civil War, because you keep constantly ignoring all his character traits and focus in the surface perception of him, it’s like the people that say Superman is boring, Batman an anti-villain or Captain America useless, Iron Man being almost a villain is one of them.
Bruce: Big man in a suit of armour. Take that off, what are you? Tony: Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist. Bruce: I'm all of those things and Steve Rogers too.
Batman would _absolutely_ oppose the Superhuman Registration Act because his role as Batman is so heavily dependent on distancing his two identities that he even has contingency plans for if his identity gets revealed to gaslight people into thinking the reveal is fake.
Some people are saying that they might respect each other on a certain level and I could see that happening with time because at the end of it all they do both want to make a difference in the world and help people in trouble and defeat the bad guys but I can’t help but feel like they would clash a lot but if you gave them a go between like War Machine maybe or Nightwing who would probably make great friends with each other then they could work past a few differences. However it would certainly be fun to see these two characters fight each other and I would enjoy the conflict of their characters. However begrudging friends would also be a fun dynamic. It’s also another concept they fumbled on in JLavengers because that book had them acting a lot more like friends. Not to say that it wasn’t a great crossover in a lot of ways but it does have some flaws.
I think Batman would like the Avengers in the following order, from most to least: Captain America Bruce Banner T'challa Clint Barton Thor Sam Wilson Scott Lang Natasha Rominoff Vision Tony Stark James Rhodes Wanda Maximov
So further on this topic... the Marvel Hero that Batman would truely hate, would be Punisher. Look at how he treats Red Hood before he knows its Jason. Red Hood and Punisher operate VERY similarly. Batman is having none of it from Red Hood, and he would have none of it with Punisher either. I can see Tony and Bruce being sorta friendly rivals once they bond of their similariies. I can't see Bruce and Frank EVER getting a long. Even with Jason their relatioship tends to be strained becuase Red Hood still prefers permenant solutions most the time.
Frank is often seen as just a straight up villain protagonist too. Batman would absolutely try to beat his ass every time he tries to set foot in Gotham. Even disregarding their personalities, the core of how they operate in their vision of justice just can not find common ground.
Batman would definitely despise the Punisher. But, to be fair, pretty much every single Marvel superhero also despises the Punisher (hell, even the Punisher despises the Punisher), so that's really nothing new.
So tired of the billionaire playboy philanthropist thing that's not what he is it's just a very small fraction in reality Tony Stark is a intergalactic genetically bred super genius given the role of expanding and accelerating human technological capacity while dealing with extreme levels of more human tendencies to self-destruct albeit for good or bad reasons intentionally or not. The Batman-Iron Man comparisons start and end with rich white famous/infamous superhero. Tony is capable of thinking on a cosmic scale to comprehend alien space tech and casually able to punch up to beings like Thor, Hulk, or the gd Phoenix Force it's fucking self(ended up literally splitting it). Batman shot Darkseid with a cool gun one time they aren't on the same level and Lex is/has always been a better match up. Bruce has WAY more in common internally with Reed than Tony and he would definitely be friends/Respect Richards just as he holds J'onn J'onzz to such a high regard enough to nominate him leader of the JL 3 completely separate times.
I hate the whole “Bruce is the mask to the Batman” thing. I can maybe concede that the playboy is a mask, but Bruce is more then a playboy. He’s a father, he’s a broken man stuck with his trauma. Bruce influences the Batman’s ideals. The Batman cares about children, cares about rehabilitating criminals because of Bruce. Also any version where Tony is in the Illuminati, Bruce would hate
Tony Stark has no problem killing people, going completely against what Batman believes. Batman would definitely try to take down Iron-Man, but for some strange reason, I believe Tony would consider the persona of Bruce Wayne a friend, someone who understands him.
What are your thoughts on the potential interactions between Superman and Magneto? I believe that Magneto is the greatest Superman villain that Superman never fought. The ideological conflict alone has the potential to be very interesting if you ask me.
Ideologically yes. But Superman blitzes magneto so hard it’s not funny. He also doesn’t just fly, he basically manipulated gravity which likely could counter magnetos influence over his body using iron. Also there’s no guarantee Superman couldn’t just completely out strength the magnetos control over the iron in his body.
@@dataroaming7512 then it’s not a real 1v1 lol. What fun is it if one character is exponentially weaker than they’re supposed to be or the other is buffed to levels that don’t make sense?
Honestly, I could see them winding up on the same side under the right circumstances. You think Superman would tolerate robots abducting and killing people for their genes? Nah. He'd take them out worldwide and dump a couple sentinel heads on the White House lawn. Superman's genuine care for all people would probably do more to temper Magneto's rage than any lecture from Xavier. Or mayne not. Who knows.
@@RiceCubeTech What do you mean? That happens all the time in comics, the fun is seeing Superman and Magneto fight and argue over differing philosophies. Who cares how strong a character is *supposed* to be? What *fun* is a one sided stomp?
Batman is bruce and Bruce is batman. Bruce isn't a fake ego Bruce is what gives batman his morals. zur en arrh is batman without Bruce, they need each other. So ur statement is wrong
It’s lawful good vs chaotic good I think. Definitely wouldn’t be enemies, especially if there’s other threats, but I think Batman would try to take out Tony over Ultron.
Wayne comes from old money, the Starks are new money so that divide already exists. Bruce refuse to let Wayne Enterprises to be involved in offensive weapons and favors defensive ones. Tony's company was born at a time of war. The divide is already there... whether they can come to a mutual understanding is the question.
Both billionaire playboys and want to avenge their parents murders in some way Batman chooses to never kill unless his back is against the wall while Iron man shamelessly murders his enemies. I could see this causing friction in their relationship however if Batman can work with Red Hood it’s almost the same dynamic. Red Hood is also extremely intelligent and can track down Batman without all of his gadgets but he knows everything about him so essentially you just get another Damian Wayne and Jason Todd pair up. Edit: Also assuming Batman teamed up with the Justice League maybe 5-10 years after he returned to Gotham to become Batman I don’t see any issues with him having trouble staying in contact with Iron Man as long as they interact every so often Batman keeps track and notes on every member of the JLA I bet if Tony Stark existed he’d investigate him like he did with Superman when he bought the daily planet and became Clarks boss. Bruce is so insecure it wouldn’t surprise me if he found a way to blackmail Tony just for existing on the same planet as him and for their different viewpoints and I could see Tony Stark doing the same thing as well as with never trusting each other and every time they meet they each have something they can use against each other
Batman doesn't mind as much when other people kill, but he might have an issue with someone like Tony, who has a lot of power and not a lot of wisdom, killing people.
@@vitreo1363 i dont think you know who batman is bro... Are you talking about the guy who locks up his villains to help them(as he did with harley who became an antihero) or iron man
imagine a world with Veidt international, OzCorp, Lexcorp, Stark industries, and Wayne Enterprises, all headed by CEOs who are also superheroes or villains known for their intelligence.
I agree on why you say that Batman and Iron Man would absolute hate each other. Besides the different types of Billionaire Playboy Personas, they have different roles: Batman is the World’s Greatest Detective while Iron Man is just a man in a robot suit or whatever the Marvel Fan describes Iron Man as and besides, I’m obviously a Batman fan. I also like that you’re using footage of the 2004 The Batman Series and Batman: Caped Crusader. From now on, when you make future Batman Videos, I recommend you use footage from Robert Pattinson’s The Batman because that’s a detective movie too.
Also, during civil war, Ironman hired supervillains to take down superheroes that went against the registration act. Batman would've taken the first chance he got to punch Tony in the face for that.
Honestly kinda prefer when Bruce Wayne isn't just a persona, it feels so shallow when you boil it down to that, there's a line from arkham knight where you can find a voice mail from Viki Vale where she speaks very affectionately to him, saying she misses him, and calling him by a nickname, she cares about him, this isn't just some fling, it alludes to this softer more human side of Bruce that we dont really see anywhere else, apart he has to hide, and surpress inorder to do what he does and only really sees the light of day on quick nights that he cant even fully commit himself to because if he does he may not be able to subject himself to the torture he does every night, being batman is a sacrifice, and the rare occasion he gets to be a playboy are one of his only forms of relief from it, i think people try writing out the human aspects of batman far too often for cool factor, and while im all for the rule of cool, i think it goes too far when you say "bruce wayne's the real mask", it takes a character with dimensions, and boils him down to two sides, fake and real, all the potential that could be explored with the human side of bruce is just completely discarded, its like the whole "this is the moment walter white became heisenberg meme" all over again, this weird obession with seperating a complex human character into two "sides" I just dont get it
There's zero chance for Bruce to like Tony before he becomes Ironman. And after Tony makes that Ironman suit, Batman would absolutely think he'd be a supervillain at first, hell look at how many lethal weapons are installed in that suit. However I think they'd become begrudging allies once Tony starts proving himself to actually be a hero.
i feel as if their fights would just be a auction BRUCE WAYNE RAISED 10 MILLION DOLLARS TONY STARK RAISED 10 MILLION DOLLARS AND 1 CENT BRUCE WAYNE RAISED 10 MILLION DOLLARS AND 2 CENTS TONY STARK RAISED 10 MILLION DOLLARS AND 3 CENTS BRUCE WAYNE RAISED 20 MILLION DOLLARS TONY STARK RAISED 25 MILLION DOLLARS and so on
@@Cri_JackalBruce is still a part of who he is. He cares very much about the Wayne legacy. He still acts as Bruce Wayne to his friends when he isnt Batman. This is shown in TAS and in many cartoons. When he cant get to people as Batman he tries the diplomacy and helping hand route as Bruce. Bruce is a part of Batman. The playboy is the mask, not Bruce.
While I agree with you that Bruce Wayne is not a mask, I do think that Bruce himself *believes* it to be true. He went through a whole arc where he tried to be Batman 24/7 and basically went into denial, not bothering to clear his own name when he got framed for murder. I think it’s still a very important narrative for the Batman mythos and any future adaptations of the character to explore.
@@TheRealHerbaSchmurba I think you hit the issue on the head here when it comes to people arguing about this. People hear "Bruce is the mask" and conflate the false playboy Bruce and the real traumatized child Bruce _within_ Batman together without realizing. What people actually mean when they say that is that the real Bruce Wayne is the kind and driven personality he shows as Batman, understanding to the unfortunate, steadfast against crooks, with the playboy Bruce Wayne being the mask. Batman is who the real Bruce decided he is, he still considers Bruce Wayne to be his name, but "Batman" is his _"real"_ name.
Now while i do think they would have them butting heads i can see the two having a somewhat begruding respect for one another even if they dont admit it And while you may mention tony's actions in civil war bruce isnt exactly innocent either i mean he set up plans to take down his team mates behind their backs and created a computer to basically govern every super human in the world in the form of brother eye To me theyre even un terms if their actions
Agree, also they do have so common ground. Both have tried to make the world a better place, but due to ego create a crisis. They also make plan to counter their allies, and both problaby have trama that still affect them in some way.
@@jmurray1110 Regardless of why he created Brother Eye, he still let it fall in the hands of Maxwell Lord. And because of it, Ted Kord was killed. Batman never even showed remorse or apologized.
Bruce would see Tony as Absolutely INSUFFERABLE. Tony would secretly HATE Bruce's "so-called Code of Righteousness". Bruce would see Tony as Reckless and Impulsive. Tony would see Bruce as too Meticulous and Methodical. Tony IS the Situation, Bruce CONTROLS the Situation.
I feel like to many people draw similarities between Batman and Ironman. When I’ve always seen Tony very similar to Lex Luthor. Looking at Lex and Batman dynamic is probably how him and Ironmans chemistry would go
I think Dick and Peter would love eachother, but Bruce probably wouldn't be thrilled about working with him ever though he'd respect him as a hero and like him as a person. Quipy joke man tends not to be Bruce's preference in a partner even when he respects their abilities. It's kind of like him working with Flash or Plastic Man where he's like "I know you're good at what you do and are a great hero and person, but we do things a certain way here in Gotham and you're not the right flavor of hero for that."
I think theres a chance they would befriend each other and find some common ground. I only say that as they both have had some form of an arc to adapt to working with a team of VERY different personalities and people. Them both being leaders of superhero groups would spark their shared interest in analyzing the polarizing traits they do have.
Iron Man would be the new "money" that the old money "Batman" would hate. New money is often tech driven and soulless. Old money was built on relationships. Even though Wayne is a telecom giant, Thomas Wayne's strengths lied with his human relationships. Stark Industries is all corporate and only went "humanitarian" after decades of selling weapons. Also Wayne only partners with Gotham PD and local Government. Stark is more federal. Batman as we know distrusts the Feds. I.e Amanda Waller.
Batman hates guns. Iron Man is literally a walking gun. Bruce and Tony would most definitely not get along. Batman would admire Cap though as he’s basically Marvel’s Superman in terms of personality and ideals and there’s no one Bruce respects more than Clark.
Lost me at 4:10. That is absolute bullshit. In that particular scene the question is "what is your name" not "what is your secret identity". In that moment, is name was Batman because he was out as Batman.
and that's like only one interpretation of him the comics have a million versions of him he's bruce the ine who cares about alfred his kids like batman isn't a cover it's part of him but bruce is him
I think they would be able colaborate on some philantropist projects at least. They both do care about these. They would probably indeed dislike or even hate on personal level, but they should be able work together as heroes too when necessary.
Tony Stark is the Batman that never lost his family. He is happy, loved, has a wide support group around him and colleagues who actively respect his advice and assistance despite being a man without powers. Batman is the Tony Stark who lost everything. He is alone, yet has the most loyal companions possible, as only those TRUELY worthy of trust are at his side. He is respected by The Justive league and his foes for what he has done and accomplished.. but that Cold and calculating persona Will always lead to worry and skepticisim... he is feared greatly despite being a man without powers. the men would see eachother in their gazes.. reflections of who they at one time wanted to be, and who they could have been as they stand across from eachother. Unfortunatly... Despite his focus on having a plan for every occasion... Tony's brighter side and trust in others is what would win out. Ironman almost always has someone watching his back because he has alot of friends.. Batman, is almost always alone because no one wants to bother him when hes working. SURE both of them can lead their super hero teams to battle... But for Batman the moment a plan falls over, his squad is toasted... As for Ironman... he doesn't bother with a plan.. he just trusts his pals to do what needs to be done.
I feel like you didn't touch on one other difference between the two: Compassion. Tony often has to learn how to be compassionate and care for others as his story goes on, with that side combating his ego. Bruce has shown time and time again that he is compassionate. He does care. The moment with Ace at the end of Justice League Unlimited, or Natalia in "Nocture" from "Caped Crusader," or the episode "The Underdwelers" from BTAS are the best examples of Bruce's compassion. The Dark Knight cares the most deeply for others.
Honestly, after nearly reaching the mid way point...I kinda want to see a What if that involves mixing DC, Marvel, and Yugioh together. And Yugioh is mainly in that because of the War Profiteer part with Tonys' Family.
Black panther and black adam though they dont see each other eye to eye, they would definitely respect each other a lot. Heck all these rulers in comics would respect eachother that including victor von doom.
It would be interesting because how would Batman interact with Ironman as opposed to Bruce Wayne? I think he would see him as an annoyance but recognize that Tony does have technical knowledge that exceeds his own (I believe Tony has greater technical knowledge but Bruce has greater general knowledge) but Bruce may have to put on a different face while interacting with him, in fact hanging with Tony could reinforce his public persona. I believe Tony would see Bruce as a stick in the mud, but are we assuming they know each other’s secret identities? I think it would be an interesting dynamic I mean you don’t have to be identical to people you consider friends, or at least acquaintances.
I hope this comment is helpful. I think you should write a script for the points you made, I believe it will be helpful for the audience to follow along. You were going back and forward on your ideas and kinda repeating them 😅.Hope to see more comic book content👍
This only becomes an interesting relationship if Stark learns that Bruce Wayne is Batman. But then it becomes *very* interesting. Stark would be in awe of Batman's personal, athletic, martial arts development. He would recognize that Batman is exactly who *he* would have become had his parents been murdered, not when he was already a young man, but when he was a child. Meanwhile, Bruce would see in Tony a version of some of the wounded people who had turned into villains - Harvey Dent, or Victor Freeze - who actually did become a good guy. Now throw in another dimension: Thomas Wayne and Howard Stark would probably have disliked each other intensely, and their sons would know it.
Yeah, if batman was in the time civil wars was done, he would as well not like what Stark is wanting despite having good intentions and would continue the fight even when Cap dies.
One wears the mask of a bilionare asshole who sleeps around, but underneath is a caring philantropist and social worker who works as the protector of those who can't stand up for themselves. The other wears the mask of a caring philantropist and social worker but is actually a war criminal who launched Hulk into space.
Tony and Bruce would be friends for appearances, presuming Tony does not realize Bruce is Batman. Batman and Iron Man however would be bitter rivals if not enemies.
That amalgamation crossover comic got it wrong, Batman shouldn’t have been merged with Wolverine, he should’ve been merged with Tony Stark instead. We could’ve had Bruce Stark or Tony Wayne and an iron bat suit. Someone should draw that I feel.
I feel like Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne would despise each other at first due to them being billionaires who owns a tech company thereby making business rivals. But I do think in the end, they would grow to respect each other as superheroes after understanding their differences between their morals & enguiniety, as well as seeing each other as equals.
I would like to see Batman and Ironman having a Dc and Marvel crossover of how would go if these two meet each other in the comics, well since both of them are very rich heroes but have different perspective of how to deal agaisnt crime (Like Tony would reveal his secret identidy without caring since he have the armor but Bruce would be avoiding most of them about fighting style just to not make them know that he is the Batman)
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*"Iron Man sucks"*
_-Lego Batman, who canonically has that as his password_
Because batman is too dumb to make a better suit
Im sorry the beyond suit and several of his "shit gotta fight a kryptonian armours" are death glaring you just because he doesn't default to the tech suit doesnt mean he lacks the ability to field tech suits @colereed7411
Iron Man's choice to refuse any access to his technology by any government, maintaining a policy of keeping his weapons outside the hands of war, and never trading with any military, would the the thing that would hang in Batman's mind when judging Tony's character.
If we put them in the same world, we’d have to consider the past the two would have. Tony Stark crashing Gotham Balls and Galas and getting smashed, trying to get in with Bruce until he’s captured by the Ten Rings. This could color Bruce’s idea of him.
@@goldjaw The sudden shift in behavior and morals, after going missing for several months in the war ridden Middle East (or Vietnam [or Sin-Cong] depending on the continuity), would absolutely tell Bruce all he needs to know:
Tony went through a life changing experience that recontextualized his entire relationship with the world and its problems, prompting him to pull his company out of all unethical ventures, and take up arms as an active combatant against threats to mankind, pooling his resources toward improving the world and no longer actually giving a damn about profits for profit's sake.
That is almost an exact mirror of Bruce Wayne's course of action after his parents's deaths.
Batman did the samething with the justice league!
I think Batman would intellectually understand that Tony is a hero and is doing good things and would approve of some things, but they are just people so fundamentally different that they wouldn't be close friends. I think Bruce would dislike Tony as a person, respect the way he has clearly changed as a person and has put his family's business towards more noble ends, but still dislike working with him and wouldn't want to do it outside of the big global events.
@@NightWing1800 Exactly. There are many Leaguers, hell, most of the Green Lanterns (except for Simon and Jessica), that Batman trusts, he knows they're good, he knows what they believe in, but he *still* doesn't like them *as people.* Tony would be no different, even is Bruce would understand and empathize with him very well, Tony's just too grating of a human being for *most* people, let alone Bruce.
I feel like, if Marvel and DC were a shared universe and not two separate things, we would see Batman and Ironman fight just as many times as we see Hulk and Thor fight
Knowing how petty both are, their fights would be like 20% actual brawls and 80% trying to one up eachother like:
BM: stark, how is going? Still have 10x my money but still struggling to create weapons against world level threats?
IM: actually, i create one last month and now i'm mass producing it. And you? Still have one watchtower? I made it 7, just last week.
BM: oh, you're talking about the ones i hacked and now I have complete control over it?
IM:... think you're smart, don't you? Well, i noticed that for "the best detective in the world", you sure use the batcomputer alot to solve your cases, let's test your skills without it, shall we? While we were talking, jarvis hacked into the bat cave system and gave your computer the blue screen of death.
BM: OH YOU MOTHA-
@@roseoliveira6709i would love to a fan-fic of this
Why? I think Stark and Batman would agree on almost anything. They are very pragmatic. The only point of contention would be Batman is technically a criminal. But if he was part of an organisation, that would no longer be the case.
Stark and Batman are way more similar than Stark and Captain America for one
too bad Marvel and DC decided to make Batman fight Wolverine. They even fused to become the Dark Claw in the Amalgam universe.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Yah it just comes down to ego and social interaction. Both are dedicated heroes and good caring people. It's just that Tony doesn't have 2 identities, Iron Man is his hero name but he and Tony Stark are completely the same person, vs Batman who's identity isn't publically known, and thus despite being the same person, Bruce Wayne and Batman asre still 2 different personas. Bruce is just purposly made to be a typical egotistical rich philanthopist and non sexual lady's man and social, while Batman is barely social aside from the necessities and a few genuine friendships he lightens up a little with, but Batman is constantly keeping his dark and brooding mood to terrify his enemies. Tony is also more egotistic, arrogant, reckless, and open to people, but still keeps his most important things closly guarded like his tech. Overall it comes with different risks. Batman is slower to react to dangers as Bruce Wayne as he needs to change, vs Tony being publically known as Iron Man can near instantly suit up depending on the kind of suit he has at the time, but Tony's more public identity means his villains are more likely to target the people he personally connects to, while Batman's enemies as long as they think he and Bruce are seperate will only try and go after one of them for different reasons.
They probably wouldn’t like each other but professionally keep the beef away from work. For the most part
When did stark ever hate a super hero of high intellect? He would love Batman, they would banter and tease each other sure, but hate? Never. There is nothing about Batman Stark could truly hate. They even have similar "lost their family" trauma to share.
I see Bruce keeping it professional. But Stark strikes me at the guy to bring in petty grievances. At least to annoy the other person, he would probably not go through with them till the bitter end?
Untell civil war where batman funds captain America and joins caps team.
Like Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman.
@@Emma-QueenofhellHe’d be neutral, and be the most reasonable person. Just like how Tony and Steve are the 2 opposite ends of the spectrum. Batman wouldn’t bow down to the government but he would definitely not let free reign over the Avengers, that’s the whole point of Justice League: Doom where he leaves the Justice League because of their failure to acknowledge they could be a threat. Batman wouldn’t agree with Iron Man and he would still make contingency plans against Steve and his squad
They’ll hate yet respect each other and would try to one up each other i feel
Frienimies .
I could see them solve mysteries together
When has iron man ever solved a mystery 😂 @@cody3504
Probably would be like how Green Arrow and Batman were in Batman Brave and the bold
I don't even think they'd do that. Not on a personal level at least, just surface level respect for eachothers abilities but that's it
Tony: Bats.
😒
Bruce: Stark.
Steve: it’s been an honor meeting you, Superman
🤝
Clark: No, the pleasure is all mine, Captain
The mere existence of Spider-Man would make most DC characters rethink how tragic their lives really are.
@@silverblade357 depends which ones ig
@@TheSsjJoker the majority
@@ChaoticEvo fair, there’s an argument to be made Wolverine may put Peter to shame with shit he’s been through, atleast if we’re talking comics alone, I’m not even going mention Guts… 💀
Haha
Whaaat? Two genius billionaire playboy philanthropists get on each other's nerves?! They would NE-VERRR!!! 😂
Batman pretends to be a billionaire playboy. Tony is the definition of what it means to be one
Explain @@tonyonaperky2128
I feel like both Batman and Iron Man would have decent relationship despite their egos and personalities clashing.
What About Post Civil War
Captain America and Captain Marvel both fought against him in civil war 1 and 2. Now they are all on a Avenger team together and are getting along pretty now. So could be the same with Batman depending on the writer.
@@LetsTalkComicsHQhe probably would give him some jabs , but Batman knows he can go too far. A few batglares during Dark Reign, but would help clean up the mess
@@clauro6153Wow and Batman is so perfect on the whole morality spectrum.
@@reizophoenix8275 Never stop any hero. If you throw $#it at the fan, you got some stinky eyes , because when you are at the other side you're gonna do the same as them.
Can I just say how much I appreciate that most of the Batman footage you're using is from 2004's 'The Batman'? That really is an underrated version of the Dark Knight.
IKR ? Such an hidden pearl...
I too like that show
I just rewatched it and they shafted yin so hard after 2 seasons
Yeah, that show is great
I feel like the Batman's version of the joker more
Batman tolerates Green Arrow, who's also a flashy billionaire vigilante but Green Arrow at least doesn't take himself too seriously. Tony thinks he's God's gift to the world.
He thinks that because he is.
@@Thekingofcrab nah hes a mary sue mostly the only exception is the mcu where hes an actual hero
@@peristera-bettyiliadou3271there’s no way your a BATMAN fan calling Iron Man a Mary sue. That’s crazy work😂
Really their status and intelligence are the only things they have in common.
Just look at their fighting stiles. Batman's a literal ninja. Stealth, subterfuge, infiltration, investigation, psychological warfare, defeat in detail, hand to hand combat, those are batman's skills. Iron Man on the other hand is more like a flying artillery battery. Full speed ahead, bursting in all guns biasing (sometimes literally) and if that doesn't work it's because he's not using the right caliber.
Even their contingency plans to beat the members of their own team couldn't be more different. Batman's plans differ greatly for each team member, exploiting different aspects including psychological weaknesses. Often to the point that some of his contingency plans hinge entirely on that psychological weakness. Iron Man however just builds a specialized suit with specific armor and weapons to deal with each member of the avengers.
It would work. Iron man takes the attention. Batman gets all the stealth easier
Batman - psychological warfare
Tony - actual warfare (boom and bang)
Would Tony be able make special suits to take down different characters from different superhero teams like Wolverine from the avengers?
@@louisbabycos106 Tony would be able to (like Hulkbuster), but unlike Batman he is unlikely to have files on everyone. Where Batman will plan for every single contigencies, Tony is more likely to improvise on the spot.
@@louisbabycos106 Probably it depends on how well he knows them. I'm referencing a fight from the Marvel Axis story line when heroes and villains got their moral compass flipped. The unaffected avengers couldn't beat evil Iron Man due to the specialized suits, but the affected villains could because he had no experience with them.
I feel vindicated
Edit: Bruce isn't entirely a persona. Sure, the playboy, drinker, negatives etc. parts are definitely acts, but the man generally has a good heart, and is mostly still that kid in the alley on the inside, never wanting what happened to his parents to happen to anyone else ever again.
@@rachelparker335Bruce believes he is Batman not Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne is the real mask that he wears
@@cody3504Bruce Wayne is the foundation of Batman and without Bruce Wayne he'd just be the punisher, his morals come from Bruce Wayne
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@@derp.crapcrackers Not even close, Batman vowed the day of his parents murder that he’d never kill so that no one would ever have to feel his pain. That’s why he doesn’t kill has nothing to do with Bruce Wayne.
I dont remember who said it but, the true identity kinda flips and flops between writers of "Batman is the true self" and "Bruce Wayne is the true self (Minus the playboy aspects)"
Iron man: Do I know you?
Batman: No
Iron man: Jarvis analyze his voice and face
Jarvis: Bruce Wayne
Iron man: Hello Brucy, is this your kink?
Batman: I hate you
Nah just have Batman throw a highly powerful emp burst at Tony before Jarvis analyzes Batman and can deduct his identity.
Two things....
1) Bruce Wayne is the mask... if you meeting Bruce Wayne is not the same as meeting Batman.
2) I feel like Batman would have contingencies to keep facial and voice recognition software from identifying him.... after all, he has that stuff as well, so testing out ways to counter them shouldn't be to hard...... especially since some irl facial recognition software can (apparently) be fooled by (not joking) a pair of glasses.
@@13KuriMaster He does always wear the cowl out as Batman so facial rcognition wouldn't work as well. As Bruce he doesn't care.
Jarvis being the ultimate AI that is never wrong, it would simply reply : it's the Batman.
@@13KuriMasterTony’s tech is superior to Bruce’s tech, this much is known, so it’d be more than viable Tony could still pickup and grab Bruce’s voice at the very least, and that is public knowledge being he’s held tons of interviews n shit like that for people to see when he’s not Batman
Think Iron Man's heroic side is majorily understated here.
Like sure, compared to Batman, Tony Stark is far more of a loose canon, and has instances of being a bratty businessman, not too distinct from Booster Gold, whenever his paranoia hasnt gotten the better of him, and he ends up on the opposite end of trying to "put an armor over the world for the sake of controlling chaos that has gone out of hand...
But the Red and Gold Avenger isnt just his mistakes, he has actively used his wealth to improve the world, he has gone out of his way of dismantling war profiteers, he has even teamed up with the X-men for the sake of helping mutants in recent stories, and has likewise formed a bond with Captain America as well as Spiderman because despite it all, he has a good heart.
Now sure, I do imagine Tony and Bruce could end up having a lot of banter with each other, but dont think they necessarily would become estranged enemies or the like....
Because even the Batman has gone through similar arcs of wanting to enforce more control over the super heroes after some mahor problems, as well as building counter measures to everyone, including friends. Plus Bruce do have moments where he can appreciate humor, even if he doesnt always admit it.
Bruce and Tony would just have a rivalry more than anything, probably with a "funny man & straight man" kinda dynamic in any moment outside Marvel's edgy civil war phases.
Yah, Bruce and Clark get along very well, and when not in their hero identities Bruce will lighten up quite abit, but as Batman he doesn't lighten up much, but Clark by now knows him well enough to guess Batman's probably laughing internally, or sees a slight smile, somethign he'd never do around villains as he knows he can relax a bit around other trusted heroes like Clark and Diana. Simply put, Batman's the kind of guy who keeps his emotions mostly under control, he's analytical and calculating, paranoid to a degree, but he's kind, friendly, and when he needs to be will lighten up such as if a child is scared or crying he'll drop the scary Batman act and let out a bit more softness.
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@@boogeymechas
That's a very random thing to say when nobody was talking to you, but ok.
@@zettovii1367 fax
Ironman is really a bad person, a narcissist, a bully and an arrogant person in the comics, The MCU saved him
its funny that in the JLA Avengers comic Cap and Superman hate each other but Iron Man and Batman like each other
to be fare that comic made cap, thor and sups out of character.
There was a comic of Avengers and Justice League towards the end agree to work together and Cap let Superman have his Shield. And heroes let Steve Rogers run teams between Avengers and the Justice League. People were coming in and out exchanging characters in the big battle and Steve having to keep up with the changes and needing to adapt.
That's like the reverse of how it probably would be
I feel like cap and batman would be better friends than ironman
I think at first they’d hate each other but slowly grow a friendship where they are very competitive with each other like how Batman and green arrow are
They would be great partners but terrible friends. Iron man would be the distraction while bats would sneak in. They’d be a great yin and Yang. The small parts of the opposite within themselves include their ultimate desire to be good, being rich, and intelligent. Everything else is different 😂
Batman: Multiple troops on high alert. Think you can find a way to get in.
Ironman: **smirks and come busting in gun blazing**
Batman: works for me. **use the other way**
It was canonnically established in the lego batman movie that lego batman hates ironman.
"Iron man sucks"
-Lego Batman
Like the Adam Savage and Jamie Hynamen, hate each other’s guts but maintain a professional relationship.
They don't hate each other and never did, they didn't exactly get along but their relationship was far from hatred, Adam has talked about this on his RUclips channel multiple times
Would the Avengers be against Batman training kids into becoming crime fighters?
Would any of Batman’s villains be considered mutants?
They would 100% be against it especially black widow and killer croc would be considered a mutant since he was born like that
Mutants and mutates are different things so none of them would really
Probably just the metahumans like the music miester
Batman villains don’t tend to have powers or at least they tend to be artificially created like I think ivy was a chemical error or poison tests while freeze obviously has is cryogenic accident and mutants must have there genes from birth
@@jmurray1110 what about croc
@@scar2377 depends if it’s a mutation of the genes or just pheonotypical expression I recon
I mean, in lego batman Batman's password is "iron man sucks" so I'm pretty sure that's accurate
Batman: "We need a plan of attack".
Iron Man: "I have a plan, attack".
Batman would absolutely dispise Ironman he literally revealed his identify to the world in his first full blown appearance on the battle field
Do you mean the movie version? Cause in comics he reveled himself after 2000
@@МаксБурый-р2юYa when I was reading Marvel Masterworks, I was kinda surprised to find that Tony hid his identity for a very long time, of course the most likely reason he revealed it was because of his 2008 movie, but then again that plot point could've been inspired by a comic run I'm not too familiar with (fyi I'm only up to the 70s iron man comics which according to marvel themselves aren't all that great but I'll be the judge)
LOL! Why should Batman care whether Tony reveals his secret identity or not?
@@xavierjuno4572 if i had to guess, Tony most likely revealed his identity first either during Civil War or just before
I think that Ironman and his suit around the world and Batman and his contingencies would vibe very well together. Take the Ironman when Bendis was writing Avengers from Breakout through Secret Invasion where he was constantly collaborating with Reed and Hank Pym, and the Batman from the era around Tower of Bable. I could see them being frenemies always wanting to make the world a better place, but not knowing exactly wanting everyone to know the exact tactic, tech, or method. Meanwhile they would have a friendly rivalry where they wouldn't want the other to know the secrets. Also I think Ironman could really reverse engineer and track Bat Tech / Wayne Industires easier than Harold Allnut or Lucious Fox could reverse engineer and track Stark Tech. Because Wayne Industires is the heavy lifter for Batman's gadgets while Tony Stark is the driving force of Ironman.
If anything, batman is more like black panther than iron man
Bruce: As a man, I'm flesh and blood, I can be ignored, I can be destroyed; but as a symbol... as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting.
Stark: Why not just monopologize the weapons industry?
Batman pretends to be Bruce Wayne
Tony Stark is Iron Man. They are one
Batman would hate Tony's carefree personality. Serious Tony might be someone he could work with.
Nightwing has a carefree personality and Batman doesn’t hate him
@@Sjono Yeah, but Dick isn't completely insufferable.
@@Sjono really, that's the best argument you can come up with?? You're going to focus on a word an ignore all the contect?. 5th graders argue like that
@@gimmeyourrights8292
That’s a different topic altogether
I’m saying Bruce wouldn’t just hate someone just because they’re carefree
@@kazemizu
Yes because you brought it up. 🙄
Someone being carefree isn’t all that it takes for Batman to hate someone. There are other factors that would result in him disliking someone
I can see them being more Frenemies. They both have a common understanding of loss but to completely different ways of dealing with it.
and Batman would probably want to keep an eye on him so keep him close
Batman and iron man have different philosophy for similar issues. Bruce Wayne wouldn’t get along with tony stark more than Batman disagreeing with iron man (if you consider civil war mcu, Batman would’ve sided more with captain America tbh.).
I think he would see both sides. Batman I think would believe Avengers need to be in check, especially ones like Wanda, Thor, Strange and the Hulk that could do the most destruction in the least amount of time on their own compared to the rest of the Avengers. On the other side, he would be against the government having control of where the Avengers can go. I think he would maybe try to get the attention of both sides in Marvel Civil War to see you all can be a great asset to your world or the weapons that destroy your world with what many of you can do and you need to help keep each other accountable. Maybe get Tony to see, yes, what Steve did by hiding the truth from you was wrong, but your background isn't entirely perfect either and if you can forgive yourself at all for your weapons being in the hands of terrorists then you need to forgive Steve.
I don't understand how people who make these kinds of Batman and Iron Man comparison videos always undersell Tony's heroic aspects to the point of portraying him as a borderline villain. They seem to just ignore his heroic actions in favor of judging him based purely off of his personality as a playboy and his representation as Superior Iron Man, when he had quite literally had his alignment magically swapped to evil.
It’s cause he is a slight hair away from being a villain . He is literally the grossest “superhero “ out of all of them.
Better virtue comparison would be Batman and Captain America- that’s someone Batman would respect and understand who he really is and would possibly even have him in the inner circle w supes and Diana and the fams- but he would be the only one out of all of them and I can see Capn never saying a word and understand why Batman is the way he is .
@@maladacav8819No, you just don't like Iron Man, just like the dumbass who made the video
@maladacav8819 dude that's like me calling batman a villian cause most media depicts him as this edgy emotionless guy who refuses to put down monstrous criminals like the joker but will jump for joy at the chance to game end superman
@@maladacav8819No, that’s straight up false, I don’t think much of y’all know much of the character outside of the movie of 2008 and Civil War, because you keep constantly ignoring all his character traits and focus in the surface perception of him, it’s like the people that say Superman is boring, Batman an anti-villain or Captain America useless, Iron Man being almost a villain is one of them.
After superhero registration, Ironman's imago dropped immensely
Bruce: Big man in a suit of armour. Take that off, what are you?
Tony: Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.
Bruce: I'm all of those things and Steve Rogers too.
Batman would _absolutely_ oppose the Superhuman Registration Act because his role as Batman is so heavily dependent on distancing his two identities that he even has contingency plans for if his identity gets revealed to gaslight people into thinking the reveal is fake.
Some people are saying that they might respect each other on a certain level and I could see that happening with time because at the end of it all they do both want to make a difference in the world and help people in trouble and defeat the bad guys but I can’t help but feel like they would clash a lot but if you gave them a go between like War Machine maybe or Nightwing who would probably make great friends with each other then they could work past a few differences. However it would certainly be fun to see these two characters fight each other and I would enjoy the conflict of their characters. However begrudging friends would also be a fun dynamic. It’s also another concept they fumbled on in JLavengers because that book had them acting a lot more like friends. Not to say that it wasn’t a great crossover in a lot of ways but it does have some flaws.
I think Batman would like the Avengers in the following order, from most to least:
Captain America
Bruce Banner
T'challa
Clint Barton
Thor
Sam Wilson
Scott Lang
Natasha Rominoff
Vision
Tony Stark
James Rhodes
Wanda Maximov
What about Peter Park....
Batman: No. Order from the writers.
So further on this topic... the Marvel Hero that Batman would truely hate, would be Punisher. Look at how he treats Red Hood before he knows its Jason. Red Hood and Punisher operate VERY similarly. Batman is having none of it from Red Hood, and he would have none of it with Punisher either. I can see Tony and Bruce being sorta friendly rivals once they bond of their similariies. I can't see Bruce and Frank EVER getting a long. Even with Jason their relatioship tends to be strained becuase Red Hood still prefers permenant solutions most the time.
Frank is often seen as just a straight up villain protagonist too. Batman would absolutely try to beat his ass every time he tries to set foot in Gotham. Even disregarding their personalities, the core of how they operate in their vision of justice just can not find common ground.
Batman would definitely despise the Punisher. But, to be fair, pretty much every single Marvel superhero also despises the Punisher (hell, even the Punisher despises the Punisher), so that's really nothing new.
Computer : Enter Passcode
"Iron Man sucks!"
I see what you did there 😂
So tired of the billionaire playboy philanthropist thing that's not what he is it's just a very small fraction in reality Tony Stark is a intergalactic genetically bred super genius given the role of expanding and accelerating human technological capacity while dealing with extreme levels of more human tendencies to self-destruct albeit for good or bad reasons intentionally or not. The Batman-Iron Man comparisons start and end with rich white famous/infamous superhero. Tony is capable of thinking on a cosmic scale to comprehend alien space tech and casually able to punch up to beings like Thor, Hulk, or the gd Phoenix Force it's fucking self(ended up literally splitting it). Batman shot Darkseid with a cool gun one time they aren't on the same level and Lex is/has always been a better match up. Bruce has WAY more in common internally with Reed than Tony and he would definitely be friends/Respect Richards just as he holds J'onn J'onzz to such a high regard enough to nominate him leader of the JL 3 completely separate times.
Love the editing.
Talks about Ironman, shows Batman imagery
Talks about Batman, shows Ironman imagery
Yessirrr LOL. Don’t Got The Funds To Get A Full Editor
I hate the whole “Bruce is the mask to the Batman” thing. I can maybe concede that the playboy is a mask, but Bruce is more then a playboy. He’s a father, he’s a broken man stuck with his trauma. Bruce influences the Batman’s ideals. The Batman cares about children, cares about rehabilitating criminals because of Bruce.
Also any version where Tony is in the Illuminati, Bruce would hate
Doesn't batman kind of work as an illuminati on his own?
@@snapeinvader kinda? I mean the league were kinda like the Illuminati for a while
Tony Stark has no problem killing people, going completely against what Batman believes.
Batman would definitely try to take down Iron-Man, but for some strange reason, I believe Tony would consider the persona of Bruce Wayne a friend, someone who understands him.
Iron man does have a moral compass, he only kills when he needed to.
What are your thoughts on the potential interactions between Superman and Magneto? I believe that Magneto is the greatest Superman villain that Superman never fought. The ideological conflict alone has the potential to be very interesting if you ask me.
Ideologically yes. But Superman blitzes magneto so hard it’s not funny. He also doesn’t just fly, he basically manipulated gravity which likely could counter magnetos influence over his body using iron. Also there’s no guarantee Superman couldn’t just completely out strength the magnetos control over the iron in his body.
@@RiceCubeTechSimple, just buff magneto or debuff Superman, then they fight.
@@dataroaming7512 then it’s not a real 1v1 lol. What fun is it if one character is exponentially weaker than they’re supposed to be or the other is buffed to levels that don’t make sense?
Honestly, I could see them winding up on the same side under the right circumstances.
You think Superman would tolerate robots abducting and killing people for their genes? Nah. He'd take them out worldwide and dump a couple sentinel heads on the White House lawn.
Superman's genuine care for all people would probably do more to temper Magneto's rage than any lecture from Xavier.
Or mayne not. Who knows.
@@RiceCubeTech What do you mean? That happens all the time in comics, the fun is seeing Superman and Magneto fight and argue over differing philosophies. Who cares how strong a character is *supposed* to be? What *fun* is a one sided stomp?
Tony is more of a party boy while Bruce is way more serious, even as Bruce.
It would be a combination of Batman’s early relationship with Hal Jordan in the comics and Iron Man’s Relationship with Dr. Strange in the MCU
IRON MAN: Hi, I'm Iron Man.
BATMAN: I'm Batman.
IRON MAN: I'm a Marvel.
BATMAN: I'm Batman.
Batman is bruce and Bruce is batman. Bruce isn't a fake ego Bruce is what gives batman his morals. zur en arrh is batman without Bruce, they need each other. So ur statement is wrong
It’s lawful good vs chaotic good I think. Definitely wouldn’t be enemies, especially if there’s other threats, but I think Batman would try to take out Tony over Ultron.
Wayne comes from old money, the Starks are new money so that divide already exists. Bruce refuse to let Wayne Enterprises to be involved in offensive weapons and favors defensive ones. Tony's company was born at a time of war.
The divide is already there... whether they can come to a mutual understanding is the question.
Both billionaire playboys and want to avenge their parents murders in some way Batman chooses to never kill unless his back is against the wall while Iron man shamelessly murders his enemies.
I could see this causing friction in their relationship however if Batman can work with Red Hood it’s almost the same dynamic.
Red Hood is also extremely intelligent and can track down Batman without all of his gadgets but he knows everything about him so essentially you just get another Damian Wayne and Jason Todd pair up.
Edit: Also assuming Batman teamed up with the Justice League maybe 5-10 years after he returned to Gotham to become Batman I don’t see any issues with him having trouble staying in contact with Iron Man as long as they interact every so often Batman keeps track and notes on every member of the JLA I bet if Tony Stark existed he’d investigate him like he did with Superman when he bought the daily planet and became Clarks boss.
Bruce is so insecure it wouldn’t surprise me if he found a way to blackmail Tony just for existing on the same planet as him and for their different viewpoints and I could see Tony Stark doing the same thing as well as with never trusting each other and every time they meet they each have something they can use against each other
I would see a general dessagreement but able to work as work collegues type relationship.
One kills and the other has a no killing rule
Batman doesn't mind as much when other people kill, but he might have an issue with someone like Tony, who has a lot of power and not a lot of wisdom, killing people.
@@LiamDysart-f1t batman literally gave joker car bro
@@LiamDysart-f1t cpr*
Batman claims he won't kill you… then leaves you buried underground to die.
@@vitreo1363 i dont think you know who batman is bro...
Are you talking about the guy who locks up his villains to help them(as he did with harley who became an antihero) or iron man
Lawful good with a chaotic personality vs chaotic good with a lawful personality
2:39 bro turned on that suction on
Well, Batman did say it word by word "Iron Man sucks"
And then there's Lego Batman having the password of the batcave being 'Iron Man sucks'
imagine a world with Veidt international, OzCorp, Lexcorp, Stark industries, and Wayne Enterprises, all headed by CEOs who are also superheroes or villains known for their intelligence.
I agree on why you say that Batman and Iron Man would absolute hate each other. Besides the different types of Billionaire Playboy Personas, they have different roles: Batman is the World’s Greatest Detective while Iron Man is just a man in a robot suit or whatever the Marvel Fan describes Iron Man as and besides, I’m obviously a Batman fan.
I also like that you’re using footage of the 2004 The Batman Series and Batman: Caped Crusader. From now on, when you make future Batman Videos, I recommend you use footage from Robert Pattinson’s The Batman because that’s a detective movie too.
Also, during civil war, Ironman hired supervillains to take down superheroes that went against the registration act. Batman would've taken the first chance he got to punch Tony in the face for that.
Honestly kinda prefer when Bruce Wayne isn't just a persona, it feels so shallow when you boil it down to that, there's a line from arkham knight where you can find a voice mail from Viki Vale where she speaks very affectionately to him, saying she misses him, and calling him by a nickname, she cares about him, this isn't just some fling, it alludes to this softer more human side of Bruce that we dont really see anywhere else, apart he has to hide, and surpress inorder to do what he does and only really sees the light of day on quick nights that he cant even fully commit himself to because if he does he may not be able to subject himself to the torture he does every night, being batman is a sacrifice, and the rare occasion he gets to be a playboy are one of his only forms of relief from it, i think people try writing out the human aspects of batman far too often for cool factor, and while im all for the rule of cool, i think it goes too far when you say "bruce wayne's the real mask", it takes a character with dimensions, and boils him down to two sides, fake and real, all the potential that could be explored with the human side of bruce is just completely discarded, its like the whole "this is the moment walter white became heisenberg meme" all over again, this weird obession with seperating a complex human character into two "sides"
I just dont get it
There's zero chance for Bruce to like Tony before he becomes Ironman. And after Tony makes that Ironman suit, Batman would absolutely think he'd be a supervillain at first, hell look at how many lethal weapons are installed in that suit. However I think they'd become begrudging allies once Tony starts proving himself to actually be a hero.
i feel as if their fights would just be a auction
BRUCE WAYNE RAISED 10 MILLION DOLLARS
TONY STARK RAISED 10 MILLION DOLLARS AND 1 CENT
BRUCE WAYNE RAISED 10 MILLION DOLLARS AND 2 CENTS
TONY STARK RAISED 10 MILLION DOLLARS AND 3 CENTS
BRUCE WAYNE RAISED 20 MILLION DOLLARS
TONY STARK RAISED 25 MILLION DOLLARS
and so on
Lost me at the whole “bruce wayne is the actual mask” bs. This narrative needs to stop
@@fredericsimeon6625 The real Bruce renamed himself Batman, and created a false "Bruce" to show to the world at large.
@@Cri_Jackal no, he still goes by bruce among those he trusts, like clark, dick, alfred etc.
@@Cri_JackalBruce is still a part of who he is. He cares very much about the Wayne legacy. He still acts as Bruce Wayne to his friends when he isnt Batman. This is shown in TAS and in many cartoons. When he cant get to people as Batman he tries the diplomacy and helping hand route as Bruce. Bruce is a part of Batman. The playboy is the mask, not Bruce.
While I agree with you that Bruce Wayne is not a mask, I do think that Bruce himself *believes* it to be true. He went through a whole arc where he tried to be Batman 24/7 and basically went into denial, not bothering to clear his own name when he got framed for murder. I think it’s still a very important narrative for the Batman mythos and any future adaptations of the character to explore.
@@TheRealHerbaSchmurba I think you hit the issue on the head here when it comes to people arguing about this.
People hear "Bruce is the mask" and conflate the false playboy Bruce and the real traumatized child Bruce _within_ Batman together without realizing.
What people actually mean when they say that is that the real Bruce Wayne is the kind and driven personality he shows as Batman, understanding to the unfortunate, steadfast against crooks, with the playboy Bruce Wayne being the mask.
Batman is who the real Bruce decided he is, he still considers Bruce Wayne to be his name, but "Batman" is his _"real"_ name.
Now while i do think they would have them butting heads i can see the two having a somewhat begruding respect for one another even if they dont admit it
And while you may mention tony's actions in civil war bruce isnt exactly innocent either i mean he set up plans to take down his team mates behind their backs and created a computer to basically govern every super human in the world in the form of brother eye
To me theyre even un terms if their actions
Agree, also they do have so common ground. Both have tried to make the world a better place, but due to ego create a crisis. They also make plan to counter their allies, and both problaby have trama that still affect them in some way.
The contingencies are probably necessary and wasn’t brushed eye created because the legume furled his paranoia with a memory wipe
@@jmurray1110 Regardless of why he created Brother Eye, he still let it fall in the hands of Maxwell Lord. And because of it, Ted Kord was killed.
Batman never even showed remorse or apologized.
Really when the legendary crossover happened they worked just fine together
Bruce would see Tony as Absolutely INSUFFERABLE. Tony would secretly HATE Bruce's "so-called Code of Righteousness". Bruce would see Tony as Reckless and Impulsive. Tony would see Bruce as too Meticulous and Methodical. Tony IS the Situation, Bruce CONTROLS the Situation.
I feel like to many people draw similarities between Batman and Ironman. When I’ve always seen Tony very similar to Lex Luthor. Looking at Lex and Batman dynamic is probably how him and Ironmans chemistry would go
Nightwing and spiderman would probably get along alot... as well as batman and spiderman. They have similar morals and ethics.
I think Dick and Peter would love eachother, but Bruce probably wouldn't be thrilled about working with him ever though he'd respect him as a hero and like him as a person. Quipy joke man tends not to be Bruce's preference in a partner even when he respects their abilities. It's kind of like him working with Flash or Plastic Man where he's like "I know you're good at what you do and are a great hero and person, but we do things a certain way here in Gotham and you're not the right flavor of hero for that."
I think theres a chance they would befriend each other and find some common ground. I only say that as they both have had some form of an arc to adapt to working with a team of VERY different personalities and people. Them both being leaders of superhero groups would spark their shared interest in analyzing the polarizing traits they do have.
I see moments of death battle when Batman and Ironman interact.
I think Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne would get super well but Batman and Iron would definitely clash
Iron Man would be the new "money" that the old money "Batman" would hate. New money is often tech driven and soulless. Old money was built on relationships. Even though Wayne is a telecom giant, Thomas Wayne's strengths lied with his human relationships. Stark Industries is all corporate and only went "humanitarian" after decades of selling weapons. Also Wayne only partners with Gotham PD and local Government. Stark is more federal. Batman as we know distrusts the Feds. I.e Amanda Waller.
They would be friend/ enemies.
Exactly bro they would hate eachother , Eden there parents died they went about it so differently
Batman hates guns. Iron Man is literally a walking gun. Bruce and Tony would most definitely not get along.
Batman would admire Cap though as he’s basically Marvel’s Superman in terms of personality and ideals and there’s no one Bruce respects more than Clark.
I love how this dude sounds more drunk than I am after 5+ mouthfuls of Fireball and it works in the favor of his presentation.
Lost me at 4:10. That is absolute bullshit. In that particular scene the question is "what is your name" not "what is your secret identity". In that moment, is name was Batman because he was out as Batman.
and that's like only one interpretation of him the comics have a million versions of him he's bruce the ine who cares about alfred his kids like batman isn't a cover it's part of him but bruce is him
I would see Bruce and Tony becoming business partners but being friends I doubt it.
I think the tension would reach a point where they kiss passionately and confess their love to each other
I think they would be able colaborate on some philantropist projects at least. They both do care about these. They would probably indeed dislike or even hate on personal level, but they should be able work together as heroes too when necessary.
... I feel like Tony would make a move on the Selina, Lol! 🤣
nah shed probably make him think she likes him and then steal from him imo lmao
Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark are both Billionaire Playboys.
Except for one it's just an act, the other is just Based.
Tony Stark is the Batman that never lost his family. He is happy, loved, has a wide support group around him and colleagues who actively respect his advice and assistance despite being a man without powers.
Batman is the Tony Stark who lost everything. He is alone, yet has the most loyal companions possible, as only those TRUELY worthy of trust are at his side. He is respected by The Justive league and his foes for what he has done and accomplished.. but that Cold and calculating persona Will always lead to worry and skepticisim... he is feared greatly despite being a man without powers.
the men would see eachother in their gazes.. reflections of who they at one time wanted to be, and who they could have been as they stand across from eachother. Unfortunatly... Despite his focus on having a plan for every occasion... Tony's brighter side and trust in others is what would win out. Ironman almost always has someone watching his back because he has alot of friends.. Batman, is almost always alone because no one wants to bother him when hes working. SURE both of them can lead their super hero teams to battle... But for Batman the moment a plan falls over, his squad is toasted... As for Ironman... he doesn't bother with a plan.. he just trusts his pals to do what needs to be done.
I feel like you didn't touch on one other difference between the two: Compassion.
Tony often has to learn how to be compassionate and care for others as his story goes on, with that side combating his ego.
Bruce has shown time and time again that he is compassionate. He does care. The moment with Ace at the end of Justice League Unlimited, or Natalia in "Nocture" from "Caped Crusader," or the episode "The Underdwelers" from BTAS are the best examples of Bruce's compassion. The Dark Knight cares the most deeply for others.
Batman is blunt with his words.. but he is not an egomaniac, show off and narcissist like ironman 🤣
Ironman is actually what people think Bruce wayne is like where as Bruce is mostly just a persona
Honestly, after nearly reaching the mid way point...I kinda want to see a What if that involves mixing DC, Marvel, and Yugioh together. And Yugioh is mainly in that because of the War Profiteer part with Tonys' Family.
Black panther and black adam though they dont see each other eye to eye, they would definitely respect each other a lot. Heck all these rulers in comics would respect eachother that including victor von doom.
I imagine Bruce Wayne would get along with Tony Stark about as well as how he gets along with Hal Jordan… not at all. 😅
It would be interesting because how would Batman interact with Ironman as opposed to Bruce Wayne? I think he would see him as an annoyance but recognize that Tony does have technical knowledge that exceeds his own (I believe Tony has greater technical knowledge but Bruce has greater general knowledge) but Bruce may have to put on a different face while interacting with him, in fact hanging with Tony could reinforce his public persona. I believe Tony would see Bruce as a stick in the mud, but are we assuming they know each other’s secret identities? I think it would be an interesting dynamic
I mean you don’t have to be identical to people you consider friends, or at least acquaintances.
I hope this comment is helpful. I think you should write a script for the points you made, I believe it will be helpful for the audience to follow along. You were going back and forward on your ideas and kinda repeating them 😅.Hope to see more comic book content👍
This only becomes an interesting relationship if Stark learns that Bruce Wayne is Batman. But then it becomes *very* interesting. Stark would be in awe of Batman's personal, athletic, martial arts development. He would recognize that Batman is exactly who *he* would have become had his parents been murdered, not when he was already a young man, but when he was a child. Meanwhile, Bruce would see in Tony a version of some of the wounded people who had turned into villains - Harvey Dent, or Victor Freeze - who actually did become a good guy.
Now throw in another dimension: Thomas Wayne and Howard Stark would probably have disliked each other intensely, and their sons would know it.
Iron man is cocky kid, batman is emo kid.
Yeah like the class clown vs creepy kid in the corner.
@@MrSophire more like show off vs real hero imo
@@peristera-bettyiliadou3271 true but I am a batman fan
Yeah, if batman was in the time civil wars was done, he would as well not like what Stark is wanting despite having good intentions and would continue the fight even when Cap dies.
One wears the mask of a bilionare asshole who sleeps around, but underneath is a caring philantropist and social worker who works as the protector of those who can't stand up for themselves.
The other wears the mask of a caring philantropist and social worker but is actually a war criminal who launched Hulk into space.
Tony and Bruce would be friends for appearances, presuming Tony does not realize Bruce is Batman. Batman and Iron Man however would be bitter rivals if not enemies.
That amalgamation crossover comic got it wrong, Batman shouldn’t have been merged with Wolverine, he should’ve been merged with Tony Stark instead. We could’ve had Bruce Stark or Tony Wayne and an iron bat suit.
Someone should draw that I feel.
What if Hughie had superpowers from day one?
Also, what if Butcher spared Mesmer and took his offer to help find Becca?
I imagine they would work together well, but they don’t like it.
I feel like Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne would despise each other at first due to them being billionaires who owns a tech company thereby making business rivals. But I do think in the end, they would grow to respect each other as superheroes after understanding their differences between their morals & enguiniety, as well as seeing each other as equals.
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I would like to see Batman and Ironman having a Dc and Marvel crossover of how would go if these two meet each other in the comics, well since both of them are very rich heroes but have different perspective of how to deal agaisnt crime (Like Tony would reveal his secret identidy without caring since he have the armor but Bruce would be avoiding most of them about fighting style just to not make them know that he is the Batman)