Personally, I think people confuse Realism with Naturalism. One is to make something to feel like real life, and the other is to make something as close to life as possible. For example, despite troyoboyo mentioned how Sam Raimi Spider-Man feeling a bit Cartoony at times, it's still considered Realism. But something like Hacksaw Ridge would be considered Naturalism.
@ATVOffroadFurry That sadly isn't the only problem from where I'm sitting. Another reason it to keep films costly. I came to realize this when looking up how to pitch a script because I thought that since I'm a writer that'd be a good way to make enough money to get out of my homeless situation. One of the things I read was that you have to write a script that can be filmed on a low budget. And villains like Clay Face, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, and Mr. Freeze might drive up the cost of the film budget. Hence why I think they keep doing a "grounded and realistic Batman." Nolan really showed film makers how to make a cost effective Batman film.
@@CLDJ227 Honestly neither did I until I looked up what I needed to do to sell a script to a studio. And I get why they don't mention the financial side. Because no one cares about the technical inner-workings of film making, but saying "it's grounded and realistic" is a way to draw in people who've never cared about comic-books because of the weird fantastical parts.
Realism is better because it humanized batman instead of the batman that runs around in full Kevlar that kicks 6'2 309 pound guys like footballs and manages to be fast still.
I feel like what makes Batman so cool is that he is a "realisitc" guy going toe to toe with the supernatural. That's the other half of the detective side is him figuring out how to beat magic with science and its so cool
That's what I thought The Boys was gonna be like from the first 2 episodes. We need more stories of baseline humans figuring out how to beat the superpowered and supernatural
@@capitaokanalha6186basically on Reddit, the Batman Arkham sub Reddit got took over by brainrot, which spawned so many memes such as "man" or "is he stupid"
Cobblepot is a very upper class sounding name, but I really like how Gotham (the tv series) dealt with that by having his name technically be Kapelput (cause that’s this mom’s surname) but he seemingly changed it to be a bit more American sounding with Cobblepot, and it fits for Oswald to give kinda himself a more uppity sounding name since that’s the kind of life he wants for himself
just something i thought of cause they both Penguins have similar backstories of not coming from money but instead working their way up, and it gives a semi “Realistic” reasoning for his name
Gotham might’ve had its issues, but its portrayals of a lot of the villains are some of my favorites ever put to screen. RLT’s Penguin especially; I thought he managed to perfectly toe the line between cunning mobster and unhinged lunatic.
@@VinesusYes! it is most definitely not the most perfect batman adaptation and there were general issues with the writing at time, but their Penguin is by far my favorite
I also like when the cobblepots were wealthy, but lost that wealth. It gives a reason for the name alongside giving the character more depth, so that his actions can be portrayed as rebuilding his family legacy, no matter who gets in his way.
I’m not against a 13 year old Robin tbh. With the rise of young high school heros like Miles Morales and Kamala Khan, I think really hammering home Bruce as father and mentor to all the Robins could add a lot of emotional weight.
Or, at the very least, make the Robins having started young explicitly backstory. I get casting Chris O'Donnell as Robin in Forever from a "kids age quickly" perspective, but maybe banter out the backstory instead of showing it on screen...?
@@Volvagia1927 or maybe instead of 13 (which might feel too young) or a grown man (which lowkey defeats the purpose of the Robin mantle) they could have a 16 year old Robin, then through a trilogy we can see him go from high school to his college years where he then adopts a new identity (Nightwing, red hood, etc.) I think this part worked well for Holland Spider-Man, you got to see him grow up.
@@Ruby-96 you know what...I'm so freaking mad we haven't seen Dick Grayson portrayed like Miles Morales type on the big screen (literally Teen Titans and Young Justice Robin is right there JUST USE THAT BLUEPRINT). With Pattinson's Batman right now, I think it's too soon? But if done right, it could make some great character development for Bruce Wayne. Young Dad Bruce......
i legit think the reevesverse would be a powerhouse franchise if the genre got ever so slightly changed with each entry. numero uno being a gritty detective thriller with riddler, LORD give me a gothic horror frankenstein-level story with clayface
It feels like the best course would be to bring Reeves Batman into the DCU, just not immediately. Let Gotham descend into madness over the course of a trilogy, with Bruce desperately trying to keep the city safe
The Arkham series should be the standard people look to. Those games managed to stay serious and “realistic” with a unique and compelling tone all while including all of the fantastical comic stuff. You don’t have to necessarily pick between doing a gritty, realistic take on the character and doing a more outlandish comic book version; you can do both (and the funny thing is, as you said, the comics have been doing just that since the 70s/80s). I’m loving the Reeves stuff and I’m happy we’re getting it as a standalone continuity, but I really cannot wait to see what the DCU does with Batman.
It is basically the gold standard of having your cake and eating it too. Just finished Arkham Knight last month and my favorite thing about the whole Arkham quadrology is that it does not sacrifice the concepts of the characters to match the more “realistic” art direction.
@@joelclemonsiii9402 like the comics except it’s rendered with realistic CGI instead of drawings Also there’s a whole lot of Batman comics that aren’t anything like those games, the Golden and Silver ages were closer to the Adam West show
I'm OK with Realistic Batman, as long as its not the only version of the character made available. I'm hoping for The Brave and the Bold to shift more into the supernatural white night angle alongside Matt Reeves' more grounded take
Tim Burton got the formula right: serious hero vs. silly villains. It works perfectly, in part because the silliness of the psychopathic killers he faced made Batman angry, and thus more serious, and thus drove the villains to oppose him with even more silliness. It's an eternal struggle so compelling, you'd think it would be in the movies more often.
@@yotamihararito be fair this movie was an origin of the rogues riddler Catwoman penguin and joker are in their infancy and haven’t become the villains we know them as we will see them again
Why unnecessary? If you actually think about it for longer than one second, you’d understand that having an Italian American character with the surname Cobblepot doesn’t sound right. Cobblepot sounds like an upper class British surname. This penguin is neither upper class nor British. It’s nothing to do with realism.
@@Gino565 people have noble surnames and are just regular people . Go to the uk and people have surnames like Cecil and they are just ur regular joe . Penguin isn’t set in the 1800’s so having the name cobblepot wouldn’t ruin the immersion. For the British thing , someone in their line of family might have married a British man at some point it’s not that hard the fathom. You have Indian people in the uk with the name Charles that clearly identify more with the Indian side of them
@@emanuelsonJnrYes, give him a grapple gun and inhuman stunts and all those gadgets, the white eyes and the cool batmobile. It should be comic accurate
Something I absolutely love about “The Penguin” is that he wears a purple suit and gets to drive a purple car. Just adds a bit more colour to these movies.
Yeah. Batfeed and Giant Panda King really did a great job at documenting the Batman mythos from the Roaring 20s up to the Great Depression era. Same can be said with Batman 1889.
After recently 100% the arkham trilogy and watching the animated series. The world is missing out on the supernatural of Batman. It is a nice contrast to batmans dark aura
What’s weird is Matt reeves is heavily involved in caped crusader and he specifically cited gentleman ghost as being too fantastical for him to utilize.
Yes, but i hope you realize how dumb and outlandish these moments would look in a live action moment. Do we really need another CGI shit fest? We already got that in Zack Snyder movies
I grew up watching the Brave and the Bold cartoon, so as much as I appreciate the gritty and realistic Batman movies, I would absolutely love to see the more fantastical and fun side of Batman get explored one day
What if in the end of The Batman Part II Bruce kills Barry Keoghan’s Joker as Oz Cobb is all like “I cook a da pizza fellas” and Bruce goes “Batman what a…….joke” and he begins laughing and becomes the Batman Who Laughs and James Gunn announces Dark Knights Death Metal on Infinite Omniverses for DCU Chapter 2: Electric Boogaloo cause BWL is the bestetest and evil and stuff?
It's one of the reasons I like to go back to the Tim Burton Batman movies. They're dark but there's also that fantastical and dark whimsy feel about it like a dystopian fairytale. And much like the Animated Series, there's a good balance of darkness and campy stuff to please both sides and make everyone happy. But I think because of Batman & Robin, studios panicked and never tried to go fantastical like out of fear it would be too campy or too much like a comic. And everything since became gritty or realistic. Even the MCU/DCEU, which had a lot of obscure fantasy stuff still felt realistic or had close-to-home elements or themes. Why can't we just have a comic book movie that's literally an escape from the BS nightmare society we go through as adults? Why can't we have a Batman who fights Clayface and a traditional prankster Joker and over-the-top dialogue? That's probably why people are so nostalgic to older movies again because they had something movies today don't have anymore, and that's charm.
100% agreed. It's like directors are scared of being a little silly nowadays, as a result movies rarely feel FUN anymore. That's also one of my main gripes about music nowadays. But i feel like tides are starting to turn, most people really seem to miss having fun.
@@laurisaarinen1126 what's so funny is that Marvel, that considers themselves funny, don't really have FUN either. Not true fun anymore. Avengers was actually the last one that really had something going for it. Even the latest Deadpool movie for me was just "okay". Give me a directorial Pirates of the Caribbean type of fun superhero movie....
That's what I've been saying for a long time now, the realistic Batman got tiring, it's time to go back to the comic book Batman like Burton's movies, who to this day made the best gotham city in the big screens
I could give a rats ass Abt grounded and realistic, batman has one of the greatest rogues gallery ever and we're just wasting them, I WANT LIVE ACTION MAN-BAT AND CLAY FACE DAMMIT
This is how I have felt about Shazam's rogue's gallery for the longest time. Each villain designed to be a cool, silly and insane as possible yet still being dark, scary and realistic.
The Batman isn’t exactly “realistic” though. It‘s not a cartoon, but it’s still incredibly stylized; it takes itself seriously, but it’s still silly and over the top. Nolan’s trilogy emulates real life, but The Batman doesn’t. I would describe it as gritty, which is VERY different from realistic. I’m down for some more flair in the sequel, but I also adore the original for its style and ridiculousness.
I agree. Nolan is probably on the extreme end of “realistic”. Reeves is very aesthetic and gritty, there is a weight to the story and emotion shown by all the characters. Realistic or fantastical, doesn’t matter…The Batman is the better movie of the entire franchise.
Exactly what i tell everyone! Like have you seen the stunts batman did in the movie? That’s anything but ‘realistic’. Also the riddler was very comic accurate and those puzzles and batman entering a crime scene without getting noticed it’s all unrealistic and the vibe of gotham feels otherworldly, it’s gritty and serious yes, but not realistic
Stylisation and realism aren’t mutually exclusive, and I’d argue The Batman isn’t any less realistic than Batman Begins, neither of which I could imagine including characters like Mr Freeze or Poison Ivy without heavily reworking them
13:20 also to expand on this Batman doesn’t need a Robin bs argument. Batman beyond literally tells you why the bat family is important. Bruce pushing everyone away is the reason why Bruce is the way he is in that show.
@@ShadowmanDan There was a scene in "A Touch of Curaré" where Terry asked Barbara if she was Bruce's girlfriend, and she silently smiled while drinking her coffee. There was also a scene in "Out of The Past" where her picture was among the ones of Bruce's past lovers, and then Talia walks in and says, "I know you loved her, but I cannot believe you did not save a picture of me as well."
Brave and the Bold is easily my favorite Batman cartoon. I already liked it as a kid, but as an adult I appreciate all of the silver age characters and references.
Awesome video, what I admired the most about batmans mythos is that it’s a story about adapting and evolving. Look at The Long Halloween for example. A crime mystery that sticks to its noir roots where the mob realizes they’re slowly being pushed out and the once predators become prey to the new type of city players; the supervillain archetype. The more Gotham as a medium is shown, the wackier their villains become. I really hope we get to see the extended side of Batman’s mythos including the batfamily. I think it’s important for people to realize that Batman being a loner is when he’s at his worst. Bruce even realizes that he simply cant ONLY be vengeance- he needs to be something more.Hopefully Reeves follows suit because this trilogy has SO much potential.
Im glad that the DCU will be diving into the more fantastical side of Batman as he is such a multi faceted character that can work in both a grounded/realistic tone but also as a fantastical character that can fight aliens or monsters and both directions can work as weve seen in The Batman (2022), The Dark Knight Trilogy, The Batman Animated Series, Batman: The Brave and the Bold animated series etc... I adored The Batman (2022) and how well it truly understands the character and Im fine with whatever direction Matt Reeves wants to take with the character though I do hope he's at least willing to do something new with the Batman mythos, at least something that doesn't look as similar as the grounded Dark Knight trilogy and give it its own identity.
Exactly! That's why he's still popular 85 years later. I also absolutely LOVE The Batman as it's probably the best way to go about telling a non-fantastical Batman story
Fantastical and campy are not synonymous whatsoever. Read Denny O''Neil and Neal Adams Batman or look at the Arkham games .Fantastical means including fantasy elements such as super-powered beings and villains or more sci-fi oriented tech. This can all be handled in a way and with a tone that takes that world seriously.
Caped Crusader actually did some good stuff in that regard. We had a ghost, a man practicing witchcraft, a little girl who eats souls, and a shape shifter.
The perfect version of Batman in all of media is unironically Lego Batman 2017. He embraces everything goofy yet fun about Batman Him and Brave and The Bold Batman
The only thing holding back Lego Batman for me is the Bruce-Barbara ship again. I know they aged Barbara up to mot be weird but still, that really put me off.
I’ve always preferred the more fantastical Batman stories that have Batman fighting alongside the Justice League, Green Lantern Corps, traveling the multiverse solving complex mysteries, and so forth. At times, seeing him come back to street level would be a nice balance.
Those cowards won’t let Batman wear the rainbow costume. Edit: if the more fantastical Batman villains leaned way more into horror I think they could fit right with the established tone.
@@Hellbat69is it the rainbow costume or the horror thing? I could be convinced to change my mind with the horror thing but I’m a die hard rainbow suit enjoyer.
@@unsolved86 it could be both...they might not want to have it be confirmed that Batman canonically flies both Knights now....especially since Nightwing is also known to be the most suave flier this side of Blüdhaven.
Elaborating on your Robin speech - My pitch for sequels to the Battinson universe would be that ROBIN doesn’t appear in The Batman Part II…but DICK GRAYSON does. Imagine this - The Batman 2 opens with the death of the Graysons and Bruce taking Dick in, but Dick doesn’t put on the costume until the ABSOLUTE LAST scene. Instead, we spend the ENTIRE MOVIE seeing Bruce and Dick get to know each other not as hero and sidekick, but as father and son - really taking time to build their dynamic before throwing us into the superhero action. Final scene of The Batman II would be Dick in the Batcave seeing the prototype suit Bruce designed for him. Only then, in the opening of the THIRD movie, would we see Robin in all his glory, kicking butt alongside the Caped Crusader.
I agree with this That really how dark victory did it. It would also help the age. So you could have a 13 year old dick Grayson in the second movie, and since he’s not not putting on the suit and fighting guys you can get away with it And in the Batman 3 for the full-on Batman and Robin movie, you have a natural time skip so he’ll be around 16 years old, with a few years of Robin under his belt. So we’re only seeing 16 year old Robin in action, which is more believable
@@calvinbrownanimation4152 This is mostly where I was going, except I would have Dick debut as Robin about a year after the events of The Batman Part II - essentially explaining the time gap as Bruce training him to fight and detect on his level So he'd be about 13 in Part II (in my pitch called Wrath of the Batman) and about 14-15 in Part III (hypothetically titled Robin and the Batman)
This is exactly what I would do except Dick should show up in the final fight to help Bruce,especially if the movie is 3 hours long again. I dont want to wait another 4 and a half years to see the dynamic duo fight together.
"Oz" is just a nickname. They called him Oswald a few times in the show. It wouldn't surprise me if his last name is still Cobblepot, but "the character" is calling himself Cobb to sound cool.
i daydream about a world in which Matt just lets go and allows Pattinson to fight a giant clay monster man, or a giant lizard man, or a giant man-bat man-in the same universe as sopranos penguin
I wholeheartedly agree. Big reason of why I prefer Reeves' adaptation more than Nolan IS the comic book elements being more prevalent. The city feels more like Gotham. Love that you mention the Gotham show, despite it's many flaws and restrictions, it was such a fun comic adaptation. Also looking at the DCAMU, the storytelling and world building in those movies are amazing imo (especially Son of Batman & Batman vs Robin). Sadly, these movies are very rarely taken seriously or known about, just because they are animation. Something I hope for one day is a live action adaptation of Batman Under The Red Hood. If done right, it would for sure become a success with casual/mainstream audiences and open up a whole world of Bat Family stories and adaptations.
As a spiderman fan, i'm so pissed by the current MCU run. Don't hate the movies by any means, but just as the TASM movies, they have such a great casting wasted on forgettable movies. My actual dream is to Spider Man to be a 10-12 episodes show with multiple seasons where they could explore the full range of Peter Parker's life. From his work-life balance to the relationships with aunt may, MJ, Harry Osbourne, Dr. Connors and others, from deal with multiple villains to multiple romantic and money issues. I think would be the best superhero tv show ever because of how soap-opera are some of his stories and how much potential for drama they hold. And the technology is more tham enough to make it happen and look good. Superman And Lois is the prime example of that.
That's why they're making Batman The Brave & The Bold, which will be in the shared DCU along with Superman, Green Lantern(s), and aliens and robots. So there will be plenty of artistic license to introduce Batman's scifi villains like Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Man-Bat, etc.
DC movie fans: "We need less realistic stories" Meanwhile comics fans: "Bro Batman fell from moon's orbit and landed on earth using a oxygen tank and his cowl, this is some bullshit!"
There's a middle ground that Batman is supposed to be. There's also the fact that Batman himself shouldn't be ridiculous, his villains should be. Huge difference between him fighting guys with super strength and shape shifting and Batman having Baki logic for no reason.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 Well, the gel was always meant to be a non lethal explosive. The force of the explosion, without the shrapnel which is often the part that's lethal. I remember putting the gel on the breakable walls and just standing with Batman's face literally inches from it and Batman would just turn his head. People often forget too that Batman is legit very strong and resilient. Which is why Snyder's Batman is still my favorite Batman right now. I'd love to see a Batman fight with a mixture of what Snyder's Batman was and what Keaton's Batman was in The Flash movie.
The problem really comes down to the creative teams being scared that no one will take the character seriously if he’s not put in a realistic world, but if you created the most realistic CHARACTER possible, the world the character inhabits doesn’t matter as much because you’re emotionally invested in the person.
I love how they changed Oswald Cobblepot to Oz Cobb which is a way sillier name that sounds like someone made up a fake name for themselves. Like c'mon OSWALD was too silly? It's just a normal name. Edit: For those who can't take a literal second to look at the other replies before shouting at me, i know his name is still oswald. Big shocker, I was wrong about that. I know, I should be arrested.
@@JackMorgan06 Ok so it was worded poorly, that's cool. The name Cobblepot still doesn't sound silly enough to change but at least they didn't seriously try to make his actual name "Oz Cobb".
It’s safe to say that if James Gunn’s Superman is going to have Krypto the Superdog and Metamorpho in the movie… then the new Batman of the DCU will also be just as fantastical. You got nothing to worry about.
My favorite thing about Batman is how moldable/mutable he is as a character, just due to his longevity; He’s been an urban crime fighter (Frank Miller’s yr1 was kinda like The Shadow), an international caped crusader (Neal Addams run was kind of akin to James Bond), world’s greatest detective (like Sherlock Holmes), and wacky/zany peak-performance “Bat-God” (seen in silver age comics, the Batman Brave and the bold show, and like Doc Savage); I do feel that since the silver age, we’ve lost a bit of that last one, where it’s a rich guy who dresses like a bat and goes on trippy adventures, be it in sci-fi or even mystic settings; I think Morrison had the best take on Batman, that he was everything, the peak human being that could do all these types of adventures, and my hope for the DCU movies is that they bring some of that energy back, I hope they treat his relationship with Talia better than Morrison, but I want that energy of a more global Batman, tho I do enjoy Reeves’ Gotham Batman; Srry for the rant, just big Batman guy over here! Rlly great vid tho, hit a lot of the points I’ve been feeling lowky
Since the '90s, Batman's been portrayed more and more like a vampire, which in a way is faithful to his original depiction ("I must be a creature of the night, dark and terrible..."), but also has always alienated me a bit. Showing Batman literally creeping through the shadows compromises his heroism quite a bit. While I understand that terrorizing the wicked is ultimately an act of goodness, in real life anyone who goes around scaring people has some very troubling insecurity issues. I'm not saying Batman has to smile all the time, but he shouldn't have to be a literal "Goth" figure.
My dad and I actually had a conversation about this the other day, I was more upset that they won’t do Robin, and he just kinda thought George Clooney and Adam West was funny but I think there’s a middle ground that the comics pull off well
I want a Spooky Batman! As a kid my 1st Batman comic was Batman: Blood Storm, where he fights Dracula and Alan Grant's Batman: Demon, where he teams up with Etrigan to stop murder rituals. Batman is a creepy, spooky, Halloween adjacent kinda guy
I get the vision for the reevesverse, and it being smaller in scale (kinda, minus a city flooding) but the alley-oop gotham being flooded gives for Croc and Freeze to exist in the sequel trumps how grounded these movies need to be its RIGHT there man
What’s interesting is that for years I have argued that the first instance of having a live action “child soldier” aged Robin should be Damian Wayne. The issue or excuse so many people (especially WB execs) give for not using Robin, especially a 13 yr old child version, has always been that it makes Bruce Wayne look more reckless and dangerous allowing a child to fight crime beside him. (FYI I don’t agree with this. LOL) Typically when we get live action Robin they are always aged up to be at least 18. Ive thought one way around the “issue” that allows for the establishment of the Bat family and previous Robins is to start your tale with the Damian Wayne introduction. In his case Robin is effectively a tiny psychopathic murderer that was raised by terroristic assassins to be a cold blooded killer from birth. Without the influence of Batman Damian is already putting himself in harms way to mete out “justice” on the streets of Gotham. Bruce taking Damian into his life and making him Robin at such a young age then looks like a noble but necessary & altruistic move aimed at teaching Damian to be a hero that saves people, not a cold blooded child assassin. It makes for an interesting dynamic we’ve never seen in live action Batman and creates the permission structure for audiences that get hung up on that stuff to not only be ok with a version of Robin the “BOY” wonder but embrace the idea that as a new father this is actually the right thing to do. It also gives you the opportunity to establish other Robins existing along with priming the DC universe for Nightwing to be his own hero and have a franchise unto itself.
I don't mind Batman being dark because it's BATMAN. But I agree, and I want them to embrace the less realistic elements of Batman. Thanks, thumbs up, have a great day.
I have been waiting years for the live-action stuff to do more supernatural and fantastical elements from the books. I love me a good realistic/grounded Batman story, but I don’t see why everything has to follow that tone & setting. Let’s put down Year One & Long Halloween, and read a Morrison or Snyder book. Hell, I’ll take a movie more based off of the Silver Age at this point😂
Caped Crusader is such a good show, I loved them throwing in supernatural threats to show that the world beyond Gotham is more intense than Bruce is ready for
Calling Onomatopia a Green Arrow villian is not wrong but also it don't feels completely right. Btw Onomatopia publication history could make a really fun video.
It could be cool if Reeves brings in a supernatural villain and frames the story like an X-Files episode. Batman and Robin doing detective work with one being a believer and one being a skeptic.
17:15 "They don't have to have a crocadile guy" man... I just want to see my man killer croc done justice. More so with clayface :( James Gunn pleaseeeeeeeee
OMFG THANK YOU. We are getting to the point where Batman is gonna be a guy with a blanket and a sock on his head fighting crime in his dad’s Honda odyssey if this realism thing continues much further.
“Continues much further”. I really feel like people overstate the realism of reeves’ film. The Nolan film was far more realistic. It was basically James Bond in a batsuit. He didn’t make or build his own equipment or vehicles, it was all explained as Wayne tech for the military. Reeves film resembles some of the Arkham games.
@@Gino565 by realism the films are drifting further into edginess and away from the more fantastical elements of the Batman mythos. Killer Croc, Clayface, Solomon Grundy… hell where is Robin
@@Gino565 Reeves’s film is almost nothing like the Arkham games. Hell, Batfleck is closer to the Arkham games than Reeves. What Arkham games were YOU playing? The non existent bizarro versions from the Awesome Store?
I think poison ivy could work in a realistic setting. A femme fatale who assasinates corrupt men by giving them a poison kiss. However I still do agree that I'm sick of realistic batman. I love theatrical comic villains.
I think Killer Croc could also. If I were tasked with putting Killer Croc in a realistic setting, I would make Waylon Jones this big black dude around 6'9", 350lb. Imagine a gigantic 2Pac who's covered in reptile scale tattoos, and he wears a gold grill with his teeth filed down to points. He runs his own crew out of the sewers of Gotham, but he also works as an enforcer for the crime families of Gotham. He gets the name "Killer Croc" because of his appearance, and because he's notorious for using cannibalism as an intimidation tactic. Like openly eat parts of people in front of others just to instill fear in them.
Or she could be a woman who's obsessed with protecting plant life and nature so she creates plant based toxins and uses them to poison people who harm nature. For example, she could be poisoning people who run oil and gas companies in Gotham or lumber companies that cut down trees.
@@ojmcclanahan689 Or you could just make him a guy with a really bad and really rare skin condition that makes his skin harden into really thick scales who is also built like a bull elephant and is a criminal because it's not like he has a lot of other options looking like that, potentially even having the whole "he eats people" thing be a rumor he started to make himself seem more intimidating. Everything before 'potentially' there is comic book accurate too.
@@alannatherson7721 I actually thought about that. There is a skin disease called Ichthyosis that makes the skin dark and scaly. I think that would work. I would want to his actual eat people though, on occasion. And like I said, it's more of an intimidation tactic. I think it shows how ruthless, deranged and dangerous he is. I suppose I would just rather BE more intimidating rather than SEEM more intimidating.
The best way to introduce robin is to have him start to follow the same path Bruce did on his own and for Bruce to then realize that he needs to be there for this child, and help guide him to being a better man and not carry the pain and vengeance that originally drove him to some dark places in his early days as Batman. I could easily see Pattinsons Batman wanting to help someone to never need to learn what he had to learn in the Batman because they never became consumed by vengeance and nihilism, and to teach robin that hope and helping people is the only way to fix things
I love pretty much any kind of tone from a Batman story. Here’s to hoping we get a more goofy, over the top can go toe-to-toe with Justice League villains in the James Gunn movies
Batman don't need to be realistic to be grounded, so much of the Batman vibe is like those old classic monster movies depicting the corruption of man. And heck, he goes into space with the Justice League a lot nowadays Oh, you want an old Batman type that didnt evolve into much more sci-fi elements and such? Well, see theres this Green Arrow char- hehe MAN interesting, I commented before video, so as you can see I agree with a lot lol
I’d like to see a Batman film which is about becoming less serious and more classic looking and silver age. My pitch for what I’d like to see is about asking the question “is Batman’s one rule contradicting his mission of not making any kid feel the way he felt”. So, he stops a crook from robbing a family but later, the same criminal comes back and still kills those parents because they owed him money. Those parents would still be alive if Batman killed. That boy of those parents grows up to become “The Dark Knight” who dresses like Batman to kill criminals to make the hard choices Batman can’t. Add Man Bat into this who represents the complete inhuman nature of Batman and how The Dark Knight wants to kill Man Bat. We end up with Batman in the silver age blue and grey costume to represent hope and a brighter version. That’s what he needs to be to stop this darker, more “realistic” and grifter version. Yes there is less crime in Gotham and yes people feel safer but they are also becoming more reckless. Is Batman a villain stopping the guy who is ending crime or is he a hero to by making a harder and braver choice. I’d call it Batman: Braver and Bolder. Batman is Braver, The Dark Knight is Bolder. Thats my dream Batman movie
Tory please stop apologizing for miss pronouncing ra's al Ghul or anyone else's name, as there is no definitive way of saying it and most people don't care that much
10:15 Onomatopoeia has in the past been a Batman villain as well, I think more often than he has with Green Arrow. Personally, I don’t think Caped Crusader is a good example of stretching that realism idea too far. It’s way more focused on a neo-noir type story, and definitely not a realistic one considering it has an episode dedicated to the Gentleman Ghost.
Grounded Batman is so overdone, Batman represents the idea that humans through sheer willpower and determination can achieve greatness. It’s important to remember that comic book characters operate on a different heightened sense of reality. Characters are designed to inspire and entertain, sometimes requiring a suspension of beliefs. Batman’s feats, while extraordinary, fit within the larger-than-life context of the DC universe. Batman always been fantastical, really embrace it.
I love the idea of “Realistic Batman” being put down for a bit and leaning into the fantastical comic booky side of Batman. For me, I want them to go full on horror with it (which fits in with the super dark aesthetic). I want a Mr. Zsasz cameo to set the tone, then make Killer Croc the big bad. Get a horror movie guy to direct it and REALLY make Killer Croc terrifying.
I want ROBIN!!!! AND I want "Alfred always knew Batman was weird and Bruce forgot his time in the children's psychiatric ward of arkham!" Which a recent comic did and I feel like tearing Bruce apart while him still being so amazing/determined is... is... uh .... fun stuff!!!!
Pattinson is so great as Batman. And considering he’s openly said he wants to do more supernatural stuff and alluded to the idea of being open to a larger universe, I would love it if he was the DCU Batman once reeves is done. And even though I love the Batman, I think certain aspects of reeves’ approach come off a little too apologetic and pretentious. I desperately hope he winds up being the DCU Batman somehow. Plus the ending of the Batman I think would be a great thematic Segway into introducing Superman to Bruce’s world. Plus, Batman stories have so much variety. It’s part of what makes great adaptations like the animated series so great. It encapsulates more “realistic” Batman stories while also doing more fantastical stuff. And I think the idea of having two ongoing cinematic versions of Batman is a terrible idea because it just makes those versions less rounded when having a more consolidated and well rounded Batman would be a better alternative in that the DCU Batman could be fantastical and have more “grounded” stories. Like the animated series. And I want that to be Pattinson. He’s just too great not to be the DCU Batman. Maybe after reeves is done, some new talent could be put behind the camera to explore more supernatural stories with Pattinson as Batman. Especially since he’s said that he would want to do more of those kinds of stories. What I do hope is that Matt reeves doesn’t compromise certain fantastical aspects of Batman lore by filtering them through his vision to the point of being unrecognizable. I am still very excited for part 2. Less so brave and the bold because I really think it should be Pattinson as the DCU Batman.
@@nickthebabba7767 I’m in the exact same boat. Batman learning he has to become more, to be a more hopeful symbol is a great way to introduce Superman. Plus Pattinson is just too good not to be the main Batman.
What I'm most happy with having James Gunn spearheading DC from now on is the fact that he's already shown that he's very good at making "unrealistic" stories being extremely grounded. He literally made many of us cry at the end of Guardians 1 when a character that only says three lines changed "I" to "we" essentially dies. I mean, he made me cry when a walking tree that said only ever said 4 words essentially die at the end of the first guardians movie. He made me relate to fucking raccoon! Gunn somehow just has this effect that makes relating to otherwise unrelatable characters so easy. Nanawe literally isn't even able to emote, and his barely able to communicate, and I could still understand his loneliness throughout The Suicide Squad just by his actions and him watching the couple while in the bus ride; that and he desperately wanted friends with his "new dumb friends" lol.
To be fair they didn't change the penguins name because it was too "comic booky" Its because this penguin dosent have the rich background that would normally come with someone named "cobble pot". He's just a guy who started from nothing and made a name for himself in Gotham
10:00 I think Caped Crusader is actually a great example of how you can have realistic and not realistic Batman in the same universe. Within a few episodes you get serious assassins like Onomatopoeia but also an actual factual ghost in Gentleman Ghost. Matt Reeves should learn from that and do what tone is best for each individual story he wants to tell rather than for the whole universe.
They already are with James Gunn’s DCU. Creature Commandos, Superman, Peacemaker, Supergirl, Green Lantern, Booster Gold, Swamp Thing, Teen Titans, Amanda Waller are all getting projects
@@tannerp.4996 and yet each time we do get a non-Bat project they somehow have to shoehorn a Batman reference a tiny bit too early where it isn't needed.
Dumb fans 🤡: I love the realistic batman movies but I also don't love the realism in batman movies Chad batman fans 🗿: I love good batman movies and I don't care if they are realistic or not.
I have an idea how we could get more of the fantasy/comicbook-y elements and also deeper/psychological elements. - To have another take on the scarecrow, making him the main villian. - "I am vengeance! I am the night! I am Batman!"
A lot of your choice of villains are great but it's funny you mentioned Caped Crusader using Onomatopoeia who is not a Batman villain but you also later brought up Solomon Grundy and Clock King who are also not Batman villains, with Clock King also being a Green Arrow villain.
They've sorta shared him as a villain, with him ending up more of a Batman focused on in recent years, but you're right he was a Green Arrow villain first that's my mistake.
7:54 There’s been a massive misunderstanding behind that name change. They didn’t change his actual first name to “Oz”. It’s still Oswald. Oz is just what everyone calls him. The shortening of Cobblepot to Cobb is like an actual change though.
As Batman fan we are eating good my guy. Reeves is the better version of the Nolan "real" Batman. James Gunn DC studios movie Batman will have Damien, so I am assuming we will get Bat Family and more "whacky" Batman. We get best of both worlds.
7:47 As soon as I first saw the "Matt Reeves changed The Penguin's last name from "Cobblepot" to "Cobb" to make the character more grounded" news, my enthusiasm for Matt Reeves' "The Batman" universe *instantly* dwindled... I’ll never understand things like this lol. As if the last name "Cobblepot" will break the suspension of disbelief more than Batman’s armor being able to tank machine gun fire and rifle blasts and a point blank double barreled shotgun blast like it's an Iron Man armor suit in "The Batman" (2022) movie lmao. Seeing quote-unquote "creative" descisions like this just makes me think, well there goes ice gun and cold suit Mr. Freeze... If Mr. Freeze gets adapted, he’ll just be a serial killer with an ice pick or an ice axe that stores people in freezers in Matt Reeves' "The Batman" universe... I was seriously holding out hope that Matt Reeves would dabble in the fantastical side of Batman’s mythos while still maintaining his artsy gothic and mostly grounded aesthetic he chose for "The Batman" (2022) movie. If he utilized characters such as Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Killer Croc, Man-Bat, Solomon Grundy, and Bane (who actually uses Venom), he could keep their existence and abilities (in his “realistic” grounded universe) as a mysterious unsettling phenomenon. Almost like how "The X Files" treated aliens, demons, and monsters in our “realistic world”. They could simply exist without much explanation, and they could be seen as the uncanny. Also, I wanted him to do an actual story with Dick Grayson as Robin and Barbara Gordon as Batgirl so that it doesn't get really repetitive and samey with these live-action Batman movies. All of this would separate Christopher Nolan’s “realistic take” from Matt Reeves' “realistic take”. But when Matt Reeves is literally ashamed and weirdly hung up on something so small as the Penguin's last name being "Cobblepot" and thinking it's a bridge too far and he's drawing the line at that, I don’t expect him to properly adapt any of those fantastical elements in the next "The Batman" movies which is a real shame and just missed opportunities on top of missed opportunities... I wanted Matt Reeves to keep the beautiful aesthetic from the first "The Batman" (2022) movie, but also not be afraid to get a little crazy in the sequels. Also, it's kind of ironic and a bit rich to me that Matt Reeves is the same dude that made "Planet of the Apes", but the last name "Cobblepot" is too much for him lmao.
This right here. I couldn’t agree any harder with everything you said; you managed to put to words exactly I’ve felt since the ‘Cobblepot/Cobb’ story first came out and how I believed Reeves’ highly stylized batman-verse was practically primed and could’ve managed to truly break new ground for the caped crusader on the silver screen in perfect marriage of the fantastical with grounded elements. It just felt a little disappointing to be illuminated towards how Reeves really sees his own craft in this project and the universe he created, and at least to me, will not realize the truly special balance and tone he managed to strike and lay out with the first film and all the potential that world had open there he now rebuffs treading.
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They should adapt Batman odessy
shut upppppp
“It’s easy to confuse realism, with maturity”
THE whole point of the video, GREAT POINT DUDE preach 🙌
Personally, I think people confuse Realism with Naturalism. One is to make something to feel like real life, and the other is to make something as close to life as possible.
For example, despite troyoboyo mentioned how Sam Raimi Spider-Man feeling a bit Cartoony at times, it's still considered Realism. But something like Hacksaw Ridge would be considered Naturalism.
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That sadly isn't the only problem from where I'm sitting. Another reason it to keep films costly. I came to realize this when looking up how to pitch a script because I thought that since I'm a writer that'd be a good way to make enough money to get out of my homeless situation.
One of the things I read was that you have to write a script that can be filmed on a low budget. And villains like Clay Face, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, and Mr. Freeze might drive up the cost of the film budget. Hence why I think they keep doing a "grounded and realistic Batman." Nolan really showed film makers how to make a cost effective Batman film.
@@DemonicRemption Interesting point that I never considered 🤔.
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Honestly neither did I until I looked up what I needed to do to sell a script to a studio. And I get why they don't mention the financial side. Because no one cares about the technical inner-workings of film making, but saying "it's grounded and realistic" is a way to draw in people who've never cared about comic-books because of the weird fantastical parts.
Realism is better because it humanized batman instead of the batman that runs around in full Kevlar that kicks 6'2 309 pound guys like footballs and manages to be fast still.
I feel like what makes Batman so cool is that he is a "realisitc" guy going toe to toe with the supernatural. That's the other half of the detective side is him figuring out how to beat magic with science and its so cool
That's what I thought The Boys was gonna be like from the first 2 episodes. We need more stories of baseline humans figuring out how to beat the superpowered and supernatural
We are never going to escape the Arkham subreddit are we.
Yeah,...
We are Men
We must be stupid.
Is there a lore reason for it?
I don’t get it? What is this arkham subreddit?
@@capitaokanalha6186basically on Reddit, the Batman Arkham sub Reddit got took over by brainrot, which spawned so many memes such as "man" or "is he stupid"
Cobblepot is a very upper class sounding name, but I really like how Gotham (the tv series) dealt with that by having his name technically be Kapelput (cause that’s this mom’s surname) but he seemingly changed it to be a bit more American sounding with Cobblepot, and it fits for Oswald to give kinda himself a more uppity sounding name since that’s the kind of life he wants for himself
just something i thought of cause they both Penguins have similar backstories of not coming from money but instead working their way up, and it gives a semi “Realistic” reasoning for his name
Gotham might’ve had its issues, but its portrayals of a lot of the villains are some of my favorites ever put to screen. RLT’s Penguin especially; I thought he managed to perfectly toe the line between cunning mobster and unhinged lunatic.
@@VinesusYes! it is most definitely not the most perfect batman adaptation and there were general issues with the writing at time, but their Penguin is by far my favorite
@@Vinesus remember how he faced Gotham's take of Azrael? xD
I also like when the cobblepots were wealthy, but lost that wealth. It gives a reason for the name alongside giving the character more depth, so that his actions can be portrayed as rebuilding his family legacy, no matter who gets in his way.
I’m not against a 13 year old Robin tbh. With the rise of young high school heros like Miles Morales and Kamala Khan, I think really hammering home Bruce as father and mentor to all the Robins could add a lot of emotional weight.
Or, at the very least, make the Robins having started young explicitly backstory. I get casting Chris O'Donnell as Robin in Forever from a "kids age quickly" perspective, but maybe banter out the backstory instead of showing it on screen...?
@@Volvagia1927 or maybe instead of 13 (which might feel too young) or a grown man (which lowkey defeats the purpose of the Robin mantle) they could have a 16 year old Robin, then through a trilogy we can see him go from high school to his college years where he then adopts a new identity (Nightwing, red hood, etc.) I think this part worked well for Holland Spider-Man, you got to see him grow up.
I like it to be young esepivislly ahort cause Batman lost his parents as a kid
Ms. Marvel is trash, stop mentioning her. You guys are paid disney bots or smth.
@@Ruby-96 you know what...I'm so freaking mad we haven't seen Dick Grayson portrayed like Miles Morales type on the big screen (literally Teen Titans and Young Justice Robin is right there JUST USE THAT BLUEPRINT).
With Pattinson's Batman right now, I think it's too soon? But if done right, it could make some great character development for Bruce Wayne. Young Dad Bruce......
“Realistic” Condiment King using mustard gas really got me, that’s absolutely brilliant.
Cinema
Not realizing how many died in trenches to mustard gas in WW1.
i legit think the reevesverse would be a powerhouse franchise if the genre got ever so slightly changed with each entry. numero uno being a gritty detective thriller with riddler, LORD give me a gothic horror frankenstein-level story with clayface
It feels like the best course would be to bring Reeves Batman into the DCU, just not immediately. Let Gotham descend into madness over the course of a trilogy, with Bruce desperately trying to keep the city safe
Nah Frankenstein for ManBat
Body horror is Clayface and a who done it
this I was praying that the second film would switch genre again and commit to a full-on creature feature but alas
Reeves isn’t interested in those stories, so they wouldn’t be very good. You’d have a “forcing Sam Raimi to do Venom” situation
a clayface focused story would be more like phantom of the opera or the portrait of dorian gray rather than frankenstein, but i get what you mean
The Arkham series should be the standard people look to. Those games managed to stay serious and “realistic” with a unique and compelling tone all while including all of the fantastical comic stuff. You don’t have to necessarily pick between doing a gritty, realistic take on the character and doing a more outlandish comic book version; you can do both (and the funny thing is, as you said, the comics have been doing just that since the 70s/80s).
I’m loving the Reeves stuff and I’m happy we’re getting it as a standalone continuity, but I really cannot wait to see what the DCU does with Batman.
I can't take any character in the Arkham series seriously. Everyone is on Roids even regular people.
It is basically the gold standard of having your cake and eating it too. Just finished Arkham Knight last month and my favorite thing about the whole Arkham quadrology is that it does not sacrifice the concepts of the characters to match the more “realistic” art direction.
So basically… it’s like the comics? Arkham doesn’t do anything different than the comics
@@joelclemonsiii9402 that’s my point. It shows that *adaptations* can be like that.
@@joelclemonsiii9402 like the comics except it’s rendered with realistic CGI instead of drawings
Also there’s a whole lot of Batman comics that aren’t anything like those games, the Golden and Silver ages were closer to the Adam West show
I'm OK with Realistic Batman, as long as its not the only version of the character made available. I'm hoping for The Brave and the Bold to shift more into the supernatural white night angle alongside Matt Reeves' more grounded take
Exactly this
I think that’s the plan. So we’re good fs
Tim Burton got the formula right: serious hero vs. silly villains. It works perfectly, in part because the silliness of the psychopathic killers he faced made Batman angry, and thus more serious, and thus drove the villains to oppose him with even more silliness. It's an eternal struggle so compelling, you'd think it would be in the movies more often.
Matt reeves just way over does it like think of that cat woman mask Nolan had the right idea with realism
@@yotamihararito be fair this movie was an origin of the rogues riddler Catwoman penguin and joker are in their infancy and haven’t become the villains we know them as we will see them again
It always feels like directors are ashamed of Batman and always try make it realistic . The recent change of cobblepot’s name was also unnecessary.
Why unnecessary? If you actually think about it for longer than one second, you’d understand that having an Italian American character with the surname Cobblepot doesn’t sound right. Cobblepot sounds like an upper class British surname. This penguin is neither upper class nor British. It’s nothing to do with realism.
@@Gino565 people have noble surnames and are just regular people . Go to the uk and people have surnames like Cecil and they are just ur regular joe . Penguin isn’t set in the 1800’s so having the name cobblepot wouldn’t ruin the immersion. For the British thing , someone in their line of family might have married a British man at some point it’s not that hard the fathom. You have Indian people in the uk with the name Charles that clearly identify more with the Indian side of them
Agreed, I think after Matt Reeves finishes his Batman saga, we should put realistic Batman to bed for a while.
I think the DCU Batman will be fully Sci-fi and fantastical.
even Reeves universe looks like its opening too more fantastical elements
@@wowyoumadeit He said he isn't.
@@emanuelsonJnrYes, give him a grapple gun and inhuman stunts and all those gadgets, the white eyes and the cool batmobile. It should be comic accurate
@@wowyoumadeit reeves has already said he’s going to keep is universe grounded and realistic.
Something I absolutely love about “The Penguin” is that he wears a purple suit and gets to drive a purple car. Just adds a bit more colour to these movies.
Bring back the Iconic monocle and umbrella🙏🏻
Sounds like a Joker
I think you'll find the car is actually plum, not purple
@@TeddyKirkegaard my bad my bad
The best realistic Batman I’ve ever seen is Gothem 1919-1939 they took Batman in a ww1 like setting wail also staying true to the character.
Yes bro I love that book and the series
Yeah , that storyline its gorgeus
Gotham 1919 - 1939 is a masterpiece.
Agreed
Yeah. Batfeed and Giant Panda King really did a great job at documenting the Batman mythos from the Roaring 20s up to the Great Depression era.
Same can be said with Batman 1889.
After recently 100% the arkham trilogy and watching the animated series. The world is missing out on the supernatural of Batman. It is a nice contrast to batmans dark aura
In Batman Caped Crusader, Batman literally fights a ghost.
What’s weird is Matt reeves is heavily involved in caped crusader and he specifically cited gentleman ghost as being too fantastical for him to utilize.
And Batman also fights a girl with vampire powers.
That was my favorite episode and I am so happy they didn't have a scooby doo-esque reveal that it was all fake.
Yes, but i hope you realize how dumb and outlandish these moments would look in a live action moment. Do we really need another CGI shit fest? We already got that in Zack Snyder movies
@@EmoryBaldingi love that episode because the whole time you're expecting the reveal to happen, then it turns out "no he's a real, actual ghost"
I grew up watching the Brave and the Bold cartoon, so as much as I appreciate the gritty and realistic Batman movies, I would absolutely love to see the more fantastical and fun side of Batman get explored one day
The idea of watching these characters slip into an increasingly fantastical world is so compelling I need it so badly
What if in the end of The Batman Part II Bruce kills Barry Keoghan’s Joker as Oz Cobb is all like “I cook a da pizza fellas” and Bruce goes “Batman what a…….joke” and he begins laughing and becomes the Batman Who Laughs and James Gunn announces Dark Knights Death Metal on Infinite Omniverses for DCU Chapter 2: Electric Boogaloo cause BWL is the bestetest and evil and stuff?
ayo eletric boogaloo caught me off guard
the debut of BWL is modern batman's 9/11
@@youstinklolgotakeashower especially redundant after decades of Owlman existing.
Everything you just typed made me violently angry.
I'll take 10, please.
What did you say?
It's one of the reasons I like to go back to the Tim Burton Batman movies. They're dark but there's also that fantastical and dark whimsy feel about it like a dystopian fairytale. And much like the Animated Series, there's a good balance of darkness and campy stuff to please both sides and make everyone happy. But I think because of Batman & Robin, studios panicked and never tried to go fantastical like out of fear it would be too campy or too much like a comic. And everything since became gritty or realistic. Even the MCU/DCEU, which had a lot of obscure fantasy stuff still felt realistic or had close-to-home elements or themes. Why can't we just have a comic book movie that's literally an escape from the BS nightmare society we go through as adults? Why can't we have a Batman who fights Clayface and a traditional prankster Joker and over-the-top dialogue? That's probably why people are so nostalgic to older movies again because they had something movies today don't have anymore, and that's charm.
100% agreed. It's like directors are scared of being a little silly nowadays, as a result movies rarely feel FUN anymore. That's also one of my main gripes about music nowadays. But i feel like tides are starting to turn, most people really seem to miss having fun.
@@laurisaarinen1126 what's so funny is that Marvel, that considers themselves funny, don't really have FUN either. Not true fun anymore. Avengers was actually the last one that really had something going for it. Even the latest Deadpool movie for me was just "okay". Give me a directorial Pirates of the Caribbean type of fun superhero movie....
That's what I've been saying for a long time now, the realistic Batman got tiring, it's time to go back to the comic book Batman like Burton's movies, who to this day made the best gotham city in the big screens
I could give a rats ass Abt grounded and realistic, batman has one of the greatest rogues gallery ever and we're just wasting them, I WANT LIVE ACTION MAN-BAT AND CLAY FACE DAMMIT
This is how I have felt about Shazam's rogue's gallery for the longest time. Each villain designed to be a cool, silly and insane as possible yet still being dark, scary and realistic.
GIMME MANBAT AND FUCKING GRUNDY
Get this man a Man Bat and a Clay Face
You'll get it with Brave and the Bold, relax.
@@Leonardo-oq2qf and a grundy and then it'll all be perfect
The Batman isn’t exactly “realistic” though. It‘s not a cartoon, but it’s still incredibly stylized; it takes itself seriously, but it’s still silly and over the top. Nolan’s trilogy emulates real life, but The Batman doesn’t. I would describe it as gritty, which is VERY different from realistic. I’m down for some more flair in the sequel, but I also adore the original for its style and ridiculousness.
I agree. Nolan is probably on the extreme end of “realistic”. Reeves is very aesthetic and gritty, there is a weight to the story and emotion shown by all the characters. Realistic or fantastical, doesn’t matter…The Batman is the better movie of the entire franchise.
Exactly what i tell everyone! Like have you seen the stunts batman did in the movie? That’s anything but ‘realistic’. Also the riddler was very comic accurate and those puzzles and batman entering a crime scene without getting noticed it’s all unrealistic and the vibe of gotham feels otherworldly, it’s gritty and serious yes, but not realistic
Stylisation and realism aren’t mutually exclusive, and I’d argue The Batman isn’t any less realistic than Batman Begins, neither of which I could imagine including characters like Mr Freeze or Poison Ivy without heavily reworking them
13:20 also to expand on this Batman doesn’t need a Robin bs argument. Batman beyond literally tells you why the bat family is important. Bruce pushing everyone away is the reason why Bruce is the way he is in that show.
Love the show and concept, but I don't really care for Bruce ending up like that.
Isn't that the same show that implied that Bruce Wayne and Barbara Gordon were a couple?
@@ThePrincessCH no just the non canon spinoff comic
@@ShadowmanDan There was a scene in "A Touch of Curaré" where Terry asked Barbara if she was Bruce's girlfriend, and she silently smiled while drinking her coffee. There was also a scene in "Out of The Past" where her picture was among the ones of Bruce's past lovers, and then Talia walks in and says, "I know you loved her, but I cannot believe you did not save a picture of me as well."
@@ThePrincessCH all I know is that the comic where he gets her pregnant isn’t canon
I did like Ben Aflec's version it felt realistic enough, but also out there in technology and story.
The more time goes on, the more I realize that Batman The Brave and The Bold might actually be the best DC animated show
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how do you top that
@@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369 Red Tornado's evil son.
@@ProjektTaku wait what the... Tornado Tyrant, blimey, thats awesome (btw mine was BaB too)
Brave and the Bold is easily my favorite Batman cartoon. I already liked it as a kid, but as an adult I appreciate all of the silver age characters and references.
Yes
Awesome video, what I admired the most about batmans mythos is that it’s a story about adapting and evolving. Look at The Long Halloween for example. A crime mystery that sticks to its noir roots where the mob realizes they’re slowly being pushed out and the once predators become prey to the new type of city players; the supervillain archetype. The more Gotham as a medium is shown, the wackier their villains become. I really hope we get to see the extended side of Batman’s mythos including the batfamily. I think it’s important for people to realize that Batman being a loner is when he’s at his worst. Bruce even realizes that he simply cant ONLY be vengeance- he needs to be something more.Hopefully Reeves follows suit because this trilogy has SO much potential.
Im glad that the DCU will be diving into the more fantastical side of Batman as he is such a multi faceted character that can work in both a grounded/realistic tone but also as a fantastical character that can fight aliens or monsters and both directions can work as weve seen in The Batman (2022), The Dark Knight Trilogy, The Batman Animated Series, Batman: The Brave and the Bold animated series etc...
I adored The Batman (2022) and how well it truly understands the character and Im fine with whatever direction Matt Reeves wants to take with the character though I do hope he's at least willing to do something new with the Batman mythos, at least something that doesn't look as similar as the grounded Dark Knight trilogy and give it its own identity.
Exactly! That's why he's still popular 85 years later. I also absolutely LOVE The Batman as it's probably the best way to go about telling a non-fantastical Batman story
A dark-and-edgy Batman could fight aliens and monsters if they are like the Xenomorphs in Alien or The Thing.
Fantastical doesn’t mean campy
Fantastical and campy are not synonymous whatsoever. Read Denny O''Neil and Neal Adams Batman or look at the Arkham games .Fantastical means including fantasy elements such as super-powered beings and villains or more sci-fi oriented tech. This can all be handled in a way and with a tone that takes that world seriously.
Caped Crusader actually did some good stuff in that regard. We had a ghost, a man practicing witchcraft, a little girl who eats souls, and a shape shifter.
The perfect version of Batman in all of media is unironically Lego Batman 2017. He embraces everything goofy yet fun about Batman
Him and Brave and The Bold Batman
I can't stand lego Batman. Trying so hard to be funny and self aware. To each their own.
THE LEGO BATMAN MOVIE>THE DARK KNIGHT
TELL ME IM WRONG
@@jamespopcornfrfr You're wrong, lol. To each their own though.
The only thing holding back Lego Batman for me is the Bruce-Barbara ship again.
I know they aged Barbara up to mot be weird but still, that really put me off.
Absolutely
I’ve always preferred the more fantastical Batman stories that have Batman fighting alongside the Justice League, Green Lantern Corps, traveling the multiverse solving complex mysteries, and so forth. At times, seeing him come back to street level would be a nice balance.
Those cowards won’t let Batman wear the rainbow costume.
Edit: if the more fantastical Batman villains leaned way more into horror I think they could fit right with the established tone.
Hell no
@@Hellbat69is it the rainbow costume or the horror thing? I could be convinced to change my mind with the horror thing but I’m a die hard rainbow suit enjoyer.
@@unsolved86 it could be both...they might not want to have it be confirmed that Batman canonically flies both Knights now....especially since Nightwing is also known to be the most suave flier this side of Blüdhaven.
@unsolved86 rather have Zur-En-Arrh then that cringe rainbow custome
@@Hellbat69 I’m a diehard rainbow and Zur-En-Arrh fanboy. I will not have them disrespected in my replies you knave.
Oz Cob sounds alot more comic booky than Oswald Cobblepot, tf?
If they wanted the Penguin to be a badass gangster, they should have given him a scarier name, such as Otto "The Obliterator".
Elaborating on your Robin speech -
My pitch for sequels to the Battinson universe would be that ROBIN doesn’t appear in The Batman Part II…but DICK GRAYSON does.
Imagine this - The Batman 2 opens with the death of the Graysons and Bruce taking Dick in, but Dick doesn’t put on the costume until the ABSOLUTE LAST scene.
Instead, we spend the ENTIRE MOVIE seeing Bruce and Dick get to know each other not as hero and sidekick, but as father and son - really taking time to build their dynamic before throwing us into the superhero action.
Final scene of The Batman II would be Dick in the Batcave seeing the prototype suit Bruce designed for him.
Only then, in the opening of the THIRD movie, would we see Robin in all his glory, kicking butt alongside the Caped Crusader.
I love it
I agree with this
That really how dark victory did it.
It would also help the age. So you could have a 13 year old dick Grayson in the second movie, and since he’s not not putting on the suit and fighting guys you can get away with it
And in the Batman 3 for the full-on Batman and Robin movie, you have a natural time skip so he’ll be around 16 years old, with a few years of Robin under his belt. So we’re only seeing 16 year old Robin in action, which is more believable
@@calvinbrownanimation4152 This is mostly where I was going, except I would have Dick debut as Robin about a year after the events of The Batman Part II - essentially explaining the time gap as Bruce training him to fight and detect on his level
So he'd be about 13 in Part II (in my pitch called Wrath of the Batman) and about 14-15 in Part III (hypothetically titled Robin and the Batman)
This is exactly what I would do except Dick should show up in the final fight to help Bruce,especially if the movie is 3 hours long again. I dont want to wait another 4 and a half years to see the dynamic duo fight together.
I’m hoping for the exact same thing!
"Oz" is just a nickname. They called him Oswald a few times in the show. It wouldn't surprise me if his last name is still Cobblepot, but "the character" is calling himself Cobb to sound cool.
i daydream about a world in which Matt just lets go and allows Pattinson to fight a giant clay monster man, or a giant lizard man, or a giant man-bat man-in the same universe as sopranos penguin
Sadly Reeves is not brave enough to let that happen
I wholeheartedly agree. Big reason of why I prefer Reeves' adaptation more than Nolan IS the comic book elements being more prevalent. The city feels more like Gotham. Love that you mention the Gotham show, despite it's many flaws and restrictions, it was such a fun comic adaptation.
Also looking at the DCAMU, the storytelling and world building in those movies are amazing imo (especially Son of Batman & Batman vs Robin). Sadly, these movies are very rarely taken seriously or known about, just because they are animation.
Something I hope for one day is a live action adaptation of Batman Under The Red Hood. If done right, it would for sure become a success with casual/mainstream audiences and open up a whole world of Bat Family stories and adaptations.
Essentially we need more grounded Spider-Man movies and more fantastic Batman movies
As a spiderman fan, i'm so pissed by the current MCU run. Don't hate the movies by any means, but just as the TASM movies, they have such a great casting wasted on forgettable movies. My actual dream is to Spider Man to be a 10-12 episodes show with multiple seasons where they could explore the full range of Peter Parker's life. From his work-life balance to the relationships with aunt may, MJ, Harry Osbourne, Dr. Connors and others, from deal with multiple villains to multiple romantic and money issues. I think would be the best superhero tv show ever because of how soap-opera are some of his stories and how much potential for drama they hold. And the technology is more tham enough to make it happen and look good. Superman And Lois is the prime example of that.
That's why they're making Batman The Brave & The Bold, which will be in the shared DCU along with Superman, Green Lantern(s), and aliens and robots. So there will be plenty of artistic license to introduce Batman's scifi villains like Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Man-Bat, etc.
DC movie fans: "We need less realistic stories"
Meanwhile comics fans: "Bro Batman fell from moon's orbit and landed on earth using a oxygen tank and his cowl, this is some bullshit!"
There's a middle ground that Batman is supposed to be. There's also the fact that Batman himself shouldn't be ridiculous, his villains should be.
Huge difference between him fighting guys with super strength and shape shifting and Batman having Baki logic for no reason.
@@GalazyProductions I don't care much if Batman is gonna realistic or not I like both but to me I funny how big the contrast is
In between a rock and a hard place
Meanwhile in Batman Arkham: Batman punches Titan Joker with a gel that acts like a C4 without losing his hand.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 Well, the gel was always meant to be a non lethal explosive. The force of the explosion, without the shrapnel which is often the part that's lethal. I remember putting the gel on the breakable walls and just standing with Batman's face literally inches from it and Batman would just turn his head. People often forget too that Batman is legit very strong and resilient. Which is why Snyder's Batman is still my favorite Batman right now. I'd love to see a Batman fight with a mixture of what Snyder's Batman was and what Keaton's Batman was in The Flash movie.
The problem really comes down to the creative teams being scared that no one will take the character seriously if he’s not put in a realistic world, but if you created the most realistic CHARACTER possible, the world the character inhabits doesn’t matter as much because you’re emotionally invested in the person.
I love how they changed Oswald Cobblepot to Oz Cobb which is a way sillier name that sounds like someone made up a fake name for themselves. Like c'mon OSWALD was too silly? It's just a normal name.
Edit: For those who can't take a literal second to look at the other replies before shouting at me, i know his name is still oswald. Big shocker, I was wrong about that. I know, I should be arrested.
“Oz Cobb” is like, the gritty gangster version of a Reddit katana teen making a Sonic OC called “Bloodwing”
Sound's less "old money" I guess, although Cobblepot sounds pretty commoner too.
His mom totally calls him Oswald though it's quick and missable but it's in there
He’s still called Oswald
@@JackMorgan06 Ok so it was worded poorly, that's cool. The name Cobblepot still doesn't sound silly enough to change but at least they didn't seriously try to make his actual name "Oz Cobb".
I hope to god Brave and the Bold embrace the more fantastical elements of Batman.
It’s safe to say that if James Gunn’s Superman is going to have Krypto the Superdog and Metamorpho in the movie… then the new Batman of the DCU will also be just as fantastical. You got nothing to worry about.
My favorite thing about Batman is how moldable/mutable he is as a character, just due to his longevity;
He’s been an urban crime fighter (Frank Miller’s yr1 was kinda like The Shadow), an international caped crusader (Neal Addams run was kind of akin to James Bond), world’s greatest detective (like Sherlock Holmes), and wacky/zany peak-performance “Bat-God” (seen in silver age comics, the Batman Brave and the bold show, and like Doc Savage);
I do feel that since the silver age, we’ve lost a bit of that last one, where it’s a rich guy who dresses like a bat and goes on trippy adventures, be it in sci-fi or even mystic settings; I think Morrison had the best take on Batman, that he was everything, the peak human being that could do all these types of adventures, and my hope for the DCU movies is that they bring some of that energy back, I hope they treat his relationship with Talia better than Morrison, but I want that energy of a more global Batman, tho I do enjoy Reeves’ Gotham Batman;
Srry for the rant, just big Batman guy over here!
Rlly great vid tho, hit a lot of the points I’ve been feeling lowky
Since the '90s, Batman's been portrayed more and more like a vampire, which in a way is faithful to his original depiction ("I must be a creature of the night, dark and terrible..."), but also has always alienated me a bit. Showing Batman literally creeping through the shadows compromises his heroism quite a bit. While I understand that terrorizing the wicked is ultimately an act of goodness, in real life anyone who goes around scaring people has some very troubling insecurity issues. I'm not saying Batman has to smile all the time, but he shouldn't have to be a literal "Goth" figure.
many great moments in the video but as a green arrow enthusiast the board in 14:20 really made me laugh (through the tears)
this is why I'm happy that James didn't merge The Batman into the DCU, now we can have both visions of batman at the same time
My dad and I actually had a conversation about this the other day, I was more upset that they won’t do Robin, and he just kinda thought George Clooney and Adam West was funny but I think there’s a middle ground that the comics pull off well
Damien Wayne as Robin is confirmed for the Batman movie The Brave and the Bold in James Gunn’s upcoming DCU
@@tannerp.4996 thank god bro I’m tired of waiting🙏
I'm disappointed they chickened out on using Robin for so long.
I want a Spooky Batman! As a kid my 1st Batman comic was Batman: Blood Storm, where he fights Dracula and Alan Grant's Batman: Demon, where he teams up with Etrigan to stop murder rituals. Batman is a creepy, spooky, Halloween adjacent kinda guy
I get the vision for the reevesverse, and it being smaller in scale (kinda, minus a city flooding) but the alley-oop gotham being flooded gives for Croc and Freeze to exist in the sequel trumps how grounded these movies need to be its RIGHT there man
What’s interesting is that for years I have argued that the first instance of having a live action “child soldier” aged Robin should be Damian Wayne. The issue or excuse so many people (especially WB execs) give for not using Robin, especially a 13 yr old child version, has always been that it makes Bruce Wayne look more reckless and dangerous allowing a child to fight crime beside him. (FYI I don’t agree with this. LOL) Typically when we get live action Robin they are always aged up to be at least 18. Ive thought one way around the “issue” that allows for the establishment of the Bat family and previous Robins is to start your tale with the Damian Wayne introduction. In his case Robin is effectively a tiny psychopathic murderer that was raised by terroristic assassins to be a cold blooded killer from birth. Without the influence of Batman Damian is already putting himself in harms way to mete out “justice” on the streets of Gotham. Bruce taking Damian into his life and making him Robin at such a young age then looks like a noble but necessary & altruistic move aimed at teaching Damian to be a hero that saves people, not a cold blooded child assassin. It makes for an interesting dynamic we’ve never seen in live action Batman and creates the permission structure for audiences that get hung up on that stuff to not only be ok with a version of Robin the “BOY” wonder but embrace the idea that as a new father this is actually the right thing to do. It also gives you the opportunity to establish other Robins existing along with priming the DC universe for Nightwing to be his own hero and have a franchise unto itself.
I don't mind Batman being dark because it's BATMAN. But I agree, and I want them to embrace the less realistic elements of Batman.
Thanks, thumbs up, have a great day.
Agree 100%. The world is ready for a live screen adaptation of the character that has the T-Rex in the batcave. Balls in your court, Gunn.
9:19 bro touched no nerves he’s speaking facts
I have been waiting years for the live-action stuff to do more supernatural and fantastical elements from the books. I love me a good realistic/grounded Batman story, but I don’t see why everything has to follow that tone & setting. Let’s put down Year One & Long Halloween, and read a Morrison or Snyder book. Hell, I’ll take a movie more based off of the Silver Age at this point😂
Caped Crusader is such a good show, I loved them throwing in supernatural threats to show that the world beyond Gotham is more intense than Bruce is ready for
Calling Onomatopia a Green Arrow villian is not wrong but also it don't feels completely right.
Btw Onomatopia publication history could make a really fun video.
16:41 I loved Titans for this very reason. It took Robin seriously and proved that he can work in live action.
Too bad literally everything else about that show was a$$.
Ok but the 2004 show soundtrack playing in the intro is goated
It could be cool if Reeves brings in a supernatural villain and frames the story like an X-Files episode. Batman and Robin doing detective work with one being a believer and one being a skeptic.
I mean, we're going to have two batmen: Reeves' and Gun's. We could have the best of both worlds
We won't have Gunn's tho, we'll have Muschietti's. We're in for a rough time
Exactly
@@stupendoushorrendous8258 I think I should mention that Muschietti didn't write the flash, he just directed it
@@Walupeach4528 that’s not helping the movies chances tbh, like, at all.
17:15 "They don't have to have a crocadile guy" man... I just want to see my man killer croc done justice. More so with clayface :( James Gunn pleaseeeeeeeee
I just reread dark victory and it honestly feels more connected to the reeves universes stories thus far than long Halloween it’s fantastic
OMFG THANK YOU. We are getting to the point where Batman is gonna be a guy with a blanket and a sock on his head fighting crime in his dad’s Honda odyssey if this realism thing continues much further.
“Continues much further”. I really feel like people overstate the realism of reeves’ film. The Nolan film was far more realistic. It was basically James Bond in a batsuit. He didn’t make or build his own equipment or vehicles, it was all explained as Wayne tech for the military. Reeves film resembles some of the Arkham games.
@@Gino565 by realism the films are drifting further into edginess and away from the more fantastical elements of the Batman mythos. Killer Croc, Clayface, Solomon Grundy… hell where is Robin
@@Gino565 Reeves’s film is almost nothing like the Arkham games. Hell, Batfleck is closer to the Arkham games than Reeves. What Arkham games were YOU playing? The non existent bizarro versions from the Awesome Store?
I think poison ivy could work in a realistic setting. A femme fatale who assasinates corrupt men by giving them a poison kiss. However I still do agree that I'm sick of realistic batman. I love theatrical comic villains.
Id love to see Poison Ivy in part 2!
I think Killer Croc could also. If I were tasked with putting Killer Croc in a realistic setting, I would make Waylon Jones this big black dude around 6'9", 350lb. Imagine a gigantic 2Pac who's covered in reptile scale tattoos, and he wears a gold grill with his teeth filed down to points. He runs his own crew out of the sewers of Gotham, but he also works as an enforcer for the crime families of Gotham. He gets the name "Killer Croc" because of his appearance, and because he's notorious for using cannibalism as an intimidation tactic. Like openly eat parts of people in front of others just to instill fear in them.
Or she could be a woman who's obsessed with protecting plant life and nature so she creates plant based toxins and uses them to poison people who harm nature. For example, she could be poisoning people who run oil and gas companies in Gotham or lumber companies that cut down trees.
@@ojmcclanahan689 Or you could just make him a guy with a really bad and really rare skin condition that makes his skin harden into really thick scales who is also built like a bull elephant and is a criminal because it's not like he has a lot of other options looking like that, potentially even having the whole "he eats people" thing be a rumor he started to make himself seem more intimidating. Everything before 'potentially' there is comic book accurate too.
@@alannatherson7721 I actually thought about that. There is a skin disease called Ichthyosis that makes the skin dark and scaly. I think that would work. I would want to his actual eat people though, on occasion. And like I said, it's more of an intimidation tactic. I think it shows how ruthless, deranged and dangerous he is. I suppose I would just rather BE more intimidating rather than SEEM more intimidating.
The best way to introduce robin is to have him start to follow the same path Bruce did on his own and for Bruce to then realize that he needs to be there for this child, and help guide him to being a better man and not carry the pain and vengeance that originally drove him to some dark places in his early days as Batman. I could easily see Pattinsons Batman wanting to help someone to never need to learn what he had to learn in the Batman because they never became consumed by vengeance and nihilism, and to teach robin that hope and helping people is the only way to fix things
0:43 hell ya 😁
GOOD GOD, FUCKING IMAGINE IF WE GOT A MANBAT HORROR FILM SET IN REEVES UNIVERSE??? I WOULD KILL FOR THAT!!!
I hope the James Gunn DC verse will drop the realism
It's unfair that villains like Clayface, MrFreeze, poison ivy are ignored for "muh realism"
I love pretty much any kind of tone from a Batman story. Here’s to hoping we get a more goofy, over the top can go toe-to-toe with Justice League villains in the James Gunn movies
Batman don't need to be realistic to be grounded, so much of the Batman vibe is like those old classic monster movies depicting the corruption of man. And heck, he goes into space with the Justice League a lot nowadays
Oh, you want an old Batman type that didnt evolve into much more sci-fi elements and such? Well, see theres this Green Arrow char-
hehe MAN
interesting, I commented before video, so as you can see I agree with a lot lol
At this point gunn’s brave and the bold we’re counting on you to finally deliver rogues like clayface to screen
I’d like to see a Batman film which is about becoming less serious and more classic looking and silver age.
My pitch for what I’d like to see is about asking the question “is Batman’s one rule contradicting his mission of not making any kid feel the way he felt”.
So, he stops a crook from robbing a family but later, the same criminal comes back and still kills those parents because they owed him money. Those parents would still be alive if Batman killed.
That boy of those parents grows up to become “The Dark Knight” who dresses like Batman to kill criminals to make the hard choices Batman can’t. Add Man Bat into this who represents the complete inhuman nature of Batman and how The Dark Knight wants to kill Man Bat.
We end up with Batman in the silver age blue and grey costume to represent hope and a brighter version. That’s what he needs to be to stop this darker, more “realistic” and grifter version. Yes there is less crime in Gotham and yes people feel safer but they are also becoming more reckless. Is Batman a villain stopping the guy who is ending crime or is he a hero to by making a harder and braver choice.
I’d call it Batman: Braver and Bolder. Batman is Braver, The Dark Knight is Bolder.
Thats my dream Batman movie
video starts at 2:00
Tory please stop apologizing for miss pronouncing ra's al Ghul or anyone else's name, as there is no definitive way of saying it and most people don't care that much
I’m pretty sure “rah-z” is closer to the Arabic pronunciation
Give me Batman and detective chimp solving a case together
10:15 Onomatopoeia has in the past been a Batman villain as well, I think more often than he has with Green Arrow.
Personally, I don’t think Caped Crusader is a good example of stretching that realism idea too far. It’s way more focused on a neo-noir type story, and definitely not a realistic one considering it has an episode dedicated to the Gentleman Ghost.
Grounded Batman is so overdone, Batman represents the idea that humans through sheer willpower and determination can achieve greatness. It’s important to remember that comic book characters operate on a different heightened sense of reality. Characters are designed to inspire and entertain, sometimes requiring a suspension of beliefs. Batman’s feats, while extraordinary, fit within the larger-than-life context of the DC universe. Batman always been fantastical, really embrace it.
yes its so annoying how ashamed of these characters Hollywood directors are
I think it's pretty obvious by the title of the movie and the vibes of the universe so far that James Gunn has no interest in a grounded batman
A villian i think can work well is Professor Pig the sheer horror He can bring with those Comic book elements would be amazing
Callendar man can totally work in a realistic setting with the version of hm who's a serial killer who kills people based on dates.
5:40 Iron Man….
Was literally about to type the same thing 😭😭
I love the idea of “Realistic Batman” being put down for a bit and leaning into the fantastical comic booky side of Batman. For me, I want them to go full on horror with it (which fits in with the super dark aesthetic). I want a Mr. Zsasz cameo to set the tone, then make Killer Croc the big bad. Get a horror movie guy to direct it and REALLY make Killer Croc terrifying.
finally someone else is pointing this out i really wanted part 2 to be clayface so matt could show that he can do both realism and fantasticle
I want ROBIN!!!! AND I want "Alfred always knew Batman was weird and Bruce forgot his time in the children's psychiatric ward of arkham!" Which a recent comic did and I feel like tearing Bruce apart while him still being so amazing/determined is... is... uh .... fun stuff!!!!
Pattinson is so great as Batman. And considering he’s openly said he wants to do more supernatural stuff and alluded to the idea of being open to a larger universe, I would love it if he was the DCU Batman once reeves is done. And even though I love the Batman, I think certain aspects of reeves’ approach come off a little too apologetic and pretentious. I desperately hope he winds up being the DCU Batman somehow. Plus the ending of the Batman I think would be a great thematic Segway into introducing Superman to Bruce’s world. Plus, Batman stories have so much variety. It’s part of what makes great adaptations like the animated series so great. It encapsulates more “realistic” Batman stories while also doing more fantastical stuff. And I think the idea of having two ongoing cinematic versions of Batman is a terrible idea because it just makes those versions less rounded when having a more consolidated and well rounded Batman would be a better alternative in that the DCU Batman could be fantastical and have more “grounded” stories. Like the animated series. And I want that to be Pattinson. He’s just too great not to be the DCU Batman. Maybe after reeves is done, some new talent could be put behind the camera to explore more supernatural stories with Pattinson as Batman. Especially since he’s said that he would want to do more of those kinds of stories. What I do hope is that Matt reeves doesn’t compromise certain fantastical aspects of Batman lore by filtering them through his vision to the point of being unrecognizable. I am still very excited for part 2. Less so brave and the bold because I really think it should be Pattinson as the DCU Batman.
I can’t tell you how much I want to see Pattinson next to Corenswet so I pray that this becomes a reality
@@nickthebabba7767 I’m in the exact same boat. Batman learning he has to become more, to be a more hopeful symbol is a great way to introduce Superman. Plus Pattinson is just too good not to be the main Batman.
Honestly, Arkham is the perfect combination of that realistic grit and the fantasy world aspect of the DC comics universe.
legit all i want is the yellow oval on the emblem
What I'm most happy with having James Gunn spearheading DC from now on is the fact that he's already shown that he's very good at making "unrealistic" stories being extremely grounded. He literally made many of us cry at the end of Guardians 1 when a character that only says three lines changed "I" to "we" essentially dies.
I mean, he made me cry when a walking tree that said only ever said 4 words essentially die at the end of the first guardians movie. He made me relate to fucking raccoon! Gunn somehow just has this effect that makes relating to otherwise unrelatable characters so easy. Nanawe literally isn't even able to emote, and his barely able to communicate, and I could still understand his loneliness throughout The Suicide Squad just by his actions and him watching the couple while in the bus ride; that and he desperately wanted friends with his "new dumb friends" lol.
To be fair they didn't change the penguins name because it was too "comic booky" Its because this penguin dosent have the rich background that would normally come with someone named "cobble pot". He's just a guy who started from nothing and made a name for himself in Gotham
10:00 I think Caped Crusader is actually a great example of how you can have realistic and not realistic Batman in the same universe. Within a few episodes you get serious assassins like Onomatopoeia but also an actual factual ghost in Gentleman Ghost. Matt Reeves should learn from that and do what tone is best for each individual story he wants to tell rather than for the whole universe.
Batman 1-2 are good
Forever is solid
& Robin is a joke
That’s always been the consensus
Not like you can’t enjoy a joke tho
I need killer moth in a movie more than I need air... maybe.
Im just kinda sick of batman.....and by that, i mean, i like other characters who aren't batman, and WB needs to give them the attention they deserve
They already are with James Gunn’s DCU. Creature Commandos, Superman, Peacemaker, Supergirl, Green Lantern, Booster Gold, Swamp Thing, Teen Titans, Amanda Waller are all getting projects
@@tannerp.4996 and yet each time we do get a non-Bat project they somehow have to shoehorn a Batman reference a tiny bit too early where it isn't needed.
@@Superlad9494 All of that is from the old regime. I trust they won’t do that as much if at all under James Gunn
@@tannerp.4996 just you wait...you know how WB is about this sort of thing.
@@Superlad9494 DC is now it’s own studio which it wasn’t before. Trust in James Gunn
8:55 i love how all 3 spider man clips you show are about super humans with gene alyering enhancements 😂
Dumb fans 🤡: I love the realistic batman movies but I also don't love the realism in batman movies
Chad batman fans 🗿: I love good batman movies and I don't care if they are realistic or not.
I have an idea how we could get more of the fantasy/comicbook-y elements and also deeper/psychological elements. - To have another take on the scarecrow, making him the main villian.
- "I am vengeance! I am the night! I am Batman!"
A lot of your choice of villains are great but it's funny you mentioned Caped Crusader using Onomatopoeia who is not a Batman villain but you also later brought up Solomon Grundy and Clock King who are also not Batman villains, with Clock King also being a Green Arrow villain.
They've sorta shared him as a villain, with him ending up more of a Batman focused on in recent years, but you're right he was a Green Arrow villain first that's my mistake.
@@troyoboyo17 That's totally fine man. That's nothing compared to when people call Deathstroke a Batman villain.
7:54 There’s been a massive misunderstanding behind that name change. They didn’t change his actual first name to “Oz”. It’s still Oswald. Oz is just what everyone calls him. The shortening of Cobblepot to Cobb is like an actual change though.
As Batman fan we are eating good my guy. Reeves is the better version of the Nolan "real" Batman. James Gunn DC studios movie Batman will have Damien, so I am assuming we will get Bat Family and more "whacky" Batman. We get best of both worlds.
7:47 As soon as I first saw the "Matt Reeves changed The Penguin's last name from "Cobblepot" to "Cobb" to make the character more grounded" news, my enthusiasm for Matt Reeves' "The Batman" universe *instantly* dwindled... I’ll never understand things like this lol. As if the last name "Cobblepot" will break the suspension of disbelief more than Batman’s armor being able to tank machine gun fire and rifle blasts and a point blank double barreled shotgun blast like it's an Iron Man armor suit in "The Batman" (2022) movie lmao. Seeing quote-unquote "creative" descisions like this just makes me think, well there goes ice gun and cold suit Mr. Freeze... If Mr. Freeze gets adapted, he’ll just be a serial killer with an ice pick or an ice axe that stores people in freezers in Matt Reeves' "The Batman" universe...
I was seriously holding out hope that Matt Reeves would dabble in the fantastical side of Batman’s mythos while still maintaining his artsy gothic and mostly grounded aesthetic he chose for "The Batman" (2022) movie.
If he utilized characters such as Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Killer Croc, Man-Bat, Solomon Grundy, and Bane (who actually uses Venom), he could keep their existence and abilities (in his “realistic” grounded universe) as a mysterious unsettling phenomenon. Almost like how "The X Files" treated aliens, demons, and monsters in our “realistic world”. They could simply exist without much explanation, and they could be seen as the uncanny. Also, I wanted him to do an actual story with Dick Grayson as Robin and Barbara Gordon as Batgirl so that it doesn't get really repetitive and samey with these live-action Batman movies. All of this would separate Christopher Nolan’s “realistic take” from Matt Reeves' “realistic take”. But when Matt Reeves is literally ashamed and weirdly hung up on something so small as the Penguin's last name being "Cobblepot" and thinking it's a bridge too far and he's drawing the line at that, I don’t expect him to properly adapt any of those fantastical elements in the next "The Batman" movies which is a real shame and just missed opportunities on top of missed opportunities...
I wanted Matt Reeves to keep the beautiful aesthetic from the first "The Batman" (2022) movie, but also not be afraid to get a little crazy in the sequels.
Also, it's kind of ironic and a bit rich to me that Matt Reeves is the same dude that made "Planet of the Apes", but the last name "Cobblepot" is too much for him lmao.
This right here. I couldn’t agree any harder with everything you said; you managed to put to words exactly I’ve felt since the ‘Cobblepot/Cobb’ story first came out and how I believed Reeves’ highly stylized batman-verse was practically primed and could’ve managed to truly break new ground for the caped crusader on the silver screen in perfect marriage of the fantastical with grounded elements. It just felt a little disappointing to be illuminated towards how Reeves really sees his own craft in this project and the universe he created, and at least to me, will not realize the truly special balance and tone he managed to strike and lay out with the first film and all the potential that world had open there he now rebuffs treading.