iDrinkCoffee.com Comparison - Slayer Espresso Single Group vs La Marzocco GS3 MP
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- A comparison of two of the most coveted machines, the Slayer Single Group vs the La Marzocco GS/3 Mechanical Paddle. We go over the similarities and differences between these machines and do a taste test.
He really Needed to have weighed the espresso to have had any chance at all of comparing the two brews.... otherwise one ratio might be 1:2 and the other 1:3! This would be a much bigger factor to explain any difference in taste than the machine or length of pre infusion....
I have just recently bought a LM GS3 MP. Could not justify the extra $3000 price premium for the Slayer here in Australia. Still in learning phase but loving the quality an ease of use of the GS3. La Marzocco have been around for 90+ years so they know something about espresso and spare parts are no problem.
good decision. I don't know, Slayer doesn't even seem better in comparison. La Marzocco is "The Company" in espresso machines, clever designs, just proven. You can also order an IoT upgrade to see a lot of data, or to make it wake up at given time (although this can be done easier by buying smart socket). Anyways, even if I could spend a million USD for an espresso machine, it would still be GS3, unless I would be buying for coffee shop.
@@geuros a linea mini is kinda bad I think for the price but the gs3 is probably the best traditional machine
@@cameronknowles6267 dunno, never owned Linea Mini, but from what I've heard people are super satisfied with it. Need to remember that the price is not just features, but also reliability.
I am fresh happy owner of GS3/MP (after dreaming about it for last 6 years and resisting the temptation to buy it for last 2 years) - and I can say that apart from cool features, the machine is capable of doing 150-200 shots daily. Moreover, La Marzocco has patented some designs that other companies can't use, like fully saturated brew head of GS3, which brings temperature stability like nowhere else. The boilers are the same as what we would find in Strada per one group. So basically, GS3 is a one-group Strada - that's unbelievable and makes the price pretty understandable.
Blindfolded I bet we cannot tell which shot is from which machine. Actually the hot water adjustment is very useful in GS3
@@cameronknowles6267 until we got “Eagle One Prima”
Looks like the GS3 is also capable of a long pre-infusion. Not sure why apples to apples wasn't compared.
Marzocco is like Porsche for espresso! Never will I buy anything else for my coffee.
Great vid!
Please dial each have all other factors the same (water profile, temperature, grinder..etc) and do a blind test and have your staff try them! That would be the greatest vid ever! Heck why not even throw in a prosumer HX machine and a double boiler! That would be the most interesting video ever ;)
For the audience, go and try both of them side by side, with the right grind settings and a single origin, medium/lightly toasted coffee.
You'll be surprised by the thickness of the body of espresso from Slayer and the amazing variety of flavours from the needle valve settings - so called flavour profiling.
I found it amazing.
Agree.
So. Can’t do that with gs3
light body for espresso? what the hell happened to the world
Thanks Slawek, I like to see these machines the same way I like to see Ferraris and Maseratis.
Why do they always go full throttle after the first drop? You can do that with a fixed water connection and a E61 head at 2k budget. Just let the line pressure push first, then start the pump by shifting the lever further. Have done this for 15 years with a Rocket Cellini (fixed water no tank) and it works easy in case you just need these two phases. But these tested machines can do PROFILES. Don't use the paddles just as switches, run a smooth pressure profile also after preinfusing and at the end of the shot. Otherwise these machines are not what you need. I have an R9 but don't want to compare and promote it here but what really helps me every day is the flexibility. Switching from a double shot to the single portafilter sometimes causes probs since grinding, amount etc. are never the same and compatible (not even speaking about different coffees). In these cases - mostly it's single shot running relatively slow/tight - I can push a bit more and not ruin the shot. I therefore run the double regularly with a bit less pressure, 7-8 bar, for regular operation to have a little "room" for pushing in case it runs too slow. To be honest, this is also not the intended use of a variable pressure machine but I am happy to have that option. I always run manual, never save profiles (except at parties where "dummies" should be able to pull standardized shots automatically without me operating the machine ;))
amazing comments.. totally agree with you
Can’t do that with Slayer
Great video, and I really like the detail presented. Outta my price range though 🙁
simon heddle-baker thank you for the kind words.
People must have insane amounts of money. I thought I was nuts looking at $4K machines. Nonetheless great information and thanks for sharing! 👍😎
Id buy a decent machine. Nothing else has the technology of a machine like that in any prive range.
@@GrandpaDon69 .. If you're referring to the Decent Espresso Machine DE1 series then I'd agree.
@@DJaquithFL yes sorry thats what i meant
Dont worry, Jay Powel is taking care of that, just give him a one more year or two max, he will definitely get the job done. $150 espresso machine will be impossible to buy for 90% of the US population.
Wonder how the Slayer compares to the KVDW Speedster? The Speedster has line pressure pre-infusion, but it's a soft start with zero pressure at the group.
Simple, no comparison to the world BEST espresso machine “ Speedster “ 😉
The GS3 wins hands down on hand movement efficiency. As a barista you want to make the most minimal hand movements possible and the huge lever and movement you have to do on the Slayer is so much more inefficient compared to the joystick and placement of the steam knob on the GS3. Your hand has to move inches compared to maybe a foot or two back and forth with that Slayer lever.
These are home machines. Irrelevant
In a cafe environment you'll more than likely have volumetric dosing and a push button for extraction. Slayer 2 and 3 groups have programmable heads.
As far as the steam control goes, I dont like the small joystick (on/off) on the LM and its placement looks awkward and in the way.
If you find a lever awkward for steam, try turning a knob.. Although KVdW machines can be operated by a foot switch
I would go for the La Marzocco, always! Higher quality and better manufactured.
I'd go with the Slayer made in the USA!!! plus looks much sturdier and well built
Yes, Slayer is relatively new compared to La Marzocco.
Ahhh..no.
La marzocco forever!! for the history
The american attitude of claiming to do everything better than the people who actually invented the craft is mildly amusing. Be it guitars, cars, Espresso, Whisky...you pick the field, their claim is always the same and it sadly doesnt match reality.
Nice Video!
The Slayer sounds much louder!
Question: The Slayer have a internal rotatoty pump like the GS3?
Thanks!
How can we remove stock la marzocco portafilter handles..i like to change mine to a wooden handles but it can't be loosen i soaked it already on a hot water dipping the metal part for 5.mins..
The portafilter is glued with locktite. It is very difficult to remove without damaging the handle. In the past we have used a vice to hold the portafilter and large joint plyers to turn the handle but it does damge the handle.
Stir your shots before drinking them or else you're not getting the full taste
Man I hate that when people do that to a drink I order because I love that crème by itself.
True
Or drink it how you like... 🙄
It's unfair to the Slayer to be grinding with the same grind settings given it's designed to brew finer.
No comparison! It's like Ford Vs Mercedes
And here comes “Eagle One Prima “ 👍🏼
Excellent video. Make more pls
If money was no option which one would you buy? To me from the aspect of aesthetics the slayer beats the GS3. But I’m more referring to the functionality.
Hi, I'm a huge fan of the aesthetic of the Slayer as well but also the functionality, I love the soft preinfusion and have had some of the best espressos from Slayer machines.
Can you pls explain the concept of “soft” or “needle valve” preinfusion? If it’s a slayer or a GS3 or an R9 or any E61 with a manual flow control, if you can control pressure to say 1 or 2 bars or whatever gets you a 28 second preinfusion, what is the difference? The coffee doesn’t know what machine it is. Is the temp is the same and the pressure is the same so as to cause the first drop at the same time, would seem to produce the same result… why is that wrong? Thanks
LM no question: quality, service, parts, and network. GS3 does BOTH preinfusion and pressure, Slayer only does preinfusion.
Both Amazing espresso machine. Small advantage for Slayer, personal choice ☕️☕️☕️
What he fails to mention is GS3 has full control over pressure, Slayer only over preinfusion.
Will Slayer be adding the Bluetooth capability to control there machine by an app? I am looking between these two machines, so it’s funny you are doing a comparison. I like them both and wonder which YOU would recommend and why? If the Slayer had the app feature, it would not be a question.
Something about every one of these videos reminds me of a Tim & Eric skit.
I’ve been close to pulling trigger on gs3. I guess I’ll hold out for a better comparison to a slayer. I just like the premise of an Italian machine, but only if it’s the better product
The GS3 is a dinosaur. I would recommend to really be sure what you get buying a new one at this price.
Roland thanks for the info. Have you used one much? I’m interested in a new machine, and really don’t want to buy another $2.5kish machine. Honestly, blue tooth interfaces terrify me. I like real valves. I really really like the idea of long term parts availability and serviceability. What’s really better in the cup and offers the same features as GS3 (I’m not debating, I’m asking your opinion) thanks!
“Eagle One Prima” and you got best of all 😉
I admit I am not a patient person. when you took out the measure, I pressed fasten button.
I appreciate that you took out the measure - thank you idcc
Not trying to sound like a prick or anything but the espresso from the gs3 was left sitting meaning it would've lost some of its crema and flavour giving it a disadvantage in this comparison
You are right. It sat for about one minute before I tried the shot from the gs3. I could have synched the shots up a little better. This would have an effect on the taste. This was a rudamentary comparison and not mean to offer a definitive opinion.
iDrinkCoffeeCanada Still a great video though don't get me wrong 👍🏻
The difference in taste within a minute largely comes down to the difference in temperature. Espresso doesn't oxidize instantly and also crema doesn't taste good, both very common misconceptions
Looked like Slayer grind based on time and full pressure flow was too fine. Slayer only way to adjust pre-infusion time is to adjust grind or needle valve. GS3, you can manually change pressure on the fly. You shouldn’t compare based on undialed shot.
I still confuse to decide both of this machine.
Questions: How do the LM valve works? Is it restrict/control both Pressure & Flow? I know that Slayer only have 2 pressure (line & 9bar).
How far is this feature effect your drink, compared to a standard machine like Linea?
FYI i drink mostly milk based coffee. So Small difference in espresso taste wont be effect much. Should i just buy Linea Mini? 😅
Thank you in advance for your info.
The LM valve works much like a water tap. As you open it up more water flows and the pressure builds faster. Slayer does have 2 pressures but the first one is not line pressure. Slayer has a needle valve that greatly restricts the pressure to well below line pressure which allows for a very soft preinfusion. The effect is noticable. However if your primary drink is milk based it is less noticable and I believe the LMLM could be the right machine for you
FINALLY, you taste what you make. :) ;)
With the GS3 can you back off the paddle after pre-infusion to let the puck soak before going to full pressure?
Yes
What water temperature do you keep the GS3 at? I generally have an americano in the AM and an almond cappuccino at lunch.
Hi, this really depends on the coffee. We bring some coffees as low as 190-192. A general rule of thumb is that for darker roasts you can go cooler and lighter roasts a little hotter but nothing is set in stone. That's the fun part of a machine with a pid, that is finding the best temperature for your coffee and your tastes
If the la marzocco finished bitter. Does that mean the grind size needs to be more fine or course?
Could just mean he stopped the shot too late.
I am not interesting in making a cappuccino or hot water boiler. Just espresso!
What would be the nicest machine?
A single boiler pid controlled machine like the ECM Classika or Bezzera Unica would serve you well. La Marzocco used to make an espresso only machine but I don't think it is made anymore
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada Thanks, so there are no single boiler machines with the advances possibilities for making espresso as the Slayer or the Marzocco
I wish these machines all had completely removable drip trays so if you're spending a few thousand dollars you're able to put say a high capacity thermos under the brew heads. If you're working in really cold climates such as North Dakota where the wind chill can hit -50F temps it would be nice to have plenty espresso to sip on all day to help keep you warm while you work outside.
What if you're a company owner who wants to keep a crew of 10 men equipped with really nice coffee as a morale booster for such dangerously low temps? When they pick up their snow plowing gear such as the trucks & salt they could pick up a 32 oz mug of espresso that would stay warm all day.
Wouldn't you want to brag that you pay your men in good wages & benefits and the best coffee in the state?
That's an awesome and very generous idea. I also live in a cold climate so I appreciate the warming qualities of coffee. An alternative is brewing in a brew pitcher and transferring the coffee. It would take a few brew cycles anyways to get 32oz of coffee, you couldn't do it in one go because it would be quite weak. So you have to remove the portafilter to add more coffee anyways. Where there is a will there's a way :)
I enjoy a good cup of coffee.
How can a $9000 machine did not include a cool steam wand feature
The La Marzocco standard wand is a cool touch but some people change it to the "burn me" wand because the steaming power is greater. A cool touch wand has a reduced diameter because it's double walled. Some prefer not having this. Regardless either the LM or the Slayer can be fitted with whichever style wand a customer prefers
iDrinkCoffeeCanada oh well, just know it thank you
Greetings from Poland Sławek :)
Does Gs3 got the pre infusion function by manual operate?
On the MP version the pre infusion is completely manual. As you open the valve more the pressure increases until the pump turns on and extracts at 9 bars
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada can you do 25-30 seconds of preinfussion on the GS3 MP?
You have unlimited flexibility and can pre-infuse as long as you want
Which means that other than repeatability (ie, doing it automatically) there is nothing the slayer does that the GS3 or any other machine with infinite flow control from 0 pressure on up cannot do… is that incorrect?
Nice comparison. Blindfolded, I guess it would be difficult to distinguish which shot is from which machine. 😁😁😁
Amazing !!!
hi, which one ist the best espresso machine and grinder for home ?
Depends how much money ...
Dude doesnt even stir the espresso after all that. Kind irritated me
Everybody can I get a show of hands on which one?
Both are great machines, but if you can afford it, and have the passion and desire to adjust your shots, Slayer makes the best espresso in the world in IMHO. This is because of the ability to grind finer because of the pre-brew ability before extraction. You get more complex and nuances for different coffees. Also you fully customize the look of your Slayer which becomes sexy coffee art in your kitchen - if that matters. The GS3 will also make a great shot, but the edge goes to Slayer, which is also hand built in USA ... kind of like comparing two high end sports cars.
@@JDZ777 Thank you also been leaning towards Slayer just moved to Seattle I'll have to tour facility if they have a showroom
@@JDZ777 I'm interested in both machines, my primary concern is having something for a few decades and parts availability down the line which at least based off history points to LM
Nath I have gotten some parts for the Slayer no problem and replaced some valves. Fairly easy to work on yourself if you are somewhat inclined. LM of course a landmark historic company and more readily in the market place so likely will outlive you. Both great. I love my Slayer and enjoy that it is customizable and one of a kind like a piece of art. Will they be around in 50 years? No idea. Not going to diss LM though.
@@JDZ777 Waiting for my Slayer to arrive which grinder did you pair with :)
0.0% either of these shots tasted anywhere near drinkable being that they were "eyeballed" with the same grind setting for both? Get outta here.
Both extractions looked average hence average taste, no body too light in colour and way too long extraction time after pre infusion. Anyways I'm a LM user have been for 20 + years
Ty jesteś Sławomir a nie Sławek
The slayer sounds awful wow
,,hand made,, 😂😂😂
LEARN HOW TO PRONOUNCE "LA MARZZOCCO"!!
Once you learn how to spell it
turkish coffee is best.