La Marzocco Linea Micra VS Rocket R58 (Cinquantotto) | Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 23 янв 2023
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Wanted to get the rocket, then decided for the micra due to the heat up time. This is a game changer with dual boilers
I've had my Rocket for 5 years and only turn it off once per year for maintenence. So far, so good....cheers!!
@@danielcollinson2620 how much u paying for electricity😂
@@danielcollinson2620 What's your AC bill like? 😆
Please can you tell me the clearance between the drip tray and the portafilter on the micra? Ive been looking online for a few days and cant find the dimensions despite lots of people saying the clearance is an issue. Thanks
Biggest reason to not get the Rocket is the E61 w/ 3x longer heat up time and a larger footprint. Got my Mirca two weeks ago and I❤love cafe quality shots at home with small footprint for my small kitchen. The portafilter was designed to have less thermal mass for a quicker heat up time not to cut cost it was design feature by La Marzocco . I can turn on my machine for 5min and have cafe quality espresso quickly a huge plus for home machine.
The rocket cost way longer than 15 minutes to heat up
I now have both, I can say both have their own pros/cons. I also use both for small coffee popups/caterings.
In a popup setting, I love the higher clearance on the R58, and the ease of topping up water in the water reservoir tank (I dont put takeaway cups on the cups warmer). Both are MP (manual paddle), hence same weightage on this one.
In a home setting, Micra wins by a huge margin on the heat up time, very powerful steam albeit the shorter steam wand.
How may cups do you used for catering with the R58? Any issue or challenges?
@@MervinDeJesus 200-300 in a span of 4-6hrs. no problem at all!
I’m really interested in the micra but I am a little worried about the app approach. I’d like this machine to last as long as possible and I’m worried what happens if they drop app support for any reason
why not brew without drip tray in MIcra to accommodate for scale and or larger vessel
They both look great. Better than the one I have! Maybe in the future they will come with something better and unique
I would have liked you to have pulled some shots with both machines and blind tasted them. Even of both make good espresso, Is there a persistent difference between them in taste?
There would be no difference in taste.
Clearance under the portafilter is an issue. Especially with a lunar scale under it. You’ll always have the use something small to catch your espresso.
Rocket or La Marzocco?. I got the Micra. Very happy with it.
The plastic portafilter was an interesting choice but would go with the Rocket. The option to remove/hide the PID for the more traditional classic look is also a handy thing. Quality wise can't fault Rocket so far three years in with a Mozzafiato Cronometro Evoluzione R and quality every time. Definitely, a statement piece that is functional for a kitchen, life is too short for bad coffee and bad food.
Great work again on the production Coffee Parts.
The Rocket Mozzafiato Cronometro R is a beautiful machine :)
And thank you for the kind words, life is def too short not to have coffee-moments!
Same here. On Jan 22 I had 4th anniversary with my Giotto Evoluzione R and could not be happier. 🙃
The Micra wasn’t available when I bought my Rocket, so I had no choice to make. Having seen this, and acknowledging that the Micra might be right for others, I would not prefer it myself. Very happy with my Cinquantotto.
Both amazing machines, and awesome to here about the Rocket Cinquantotto.
The Cinquantotto is a super capable machine, do like it.
Exactly the same as me. I bought the r58 and super happy with it. Haven't tried the Micra but the rocket looks much nicer in my opinion:)
As am I with my ECM Synchronika which is very similar to the R58. I do consider it a dinosaur though and would never buy it (or any other E61) again.
It needs around 30 minutes to heat up, burning through 20 ct of electricity during that time. If I leave it on all day, it will heat my kitchen while the energy counter keeps turning. It is no that I cannot afford it; it is that I do not want to, especially keeping in mind Europes energy problems at the moment.
Switching it off though means: Next time I want a coffee, I have to think about that 30 minutes earlier, because there will be another waiting time.
For the low number of shots a day in a private home, heating should go much faster. If I did not already own the ECM, I would buy a dual thermoblock machine today.
Totally feel this. That’s why I Wilm get the Micra soon. It’s combining a boiler with the low energy consumption of a thermoblock (which I personally don’t like). Great shot by La Marzocco and innovative in its own way!
Thanks for the video. I ordered La Marzocco Linea Micra today. I wanted something where hot water is not in contact with any plastic. Now I just heard about the plastic portafilter. Is it touching the boiling water? Thanks.
Were you able to find a better deal than MSRP? I’m really torn between a couple machines, but if I can get a little break on the LM that will probably be enough to help me make my decision. Thank you.
I’m going to pickup my R58 today - yesterday. When I went to look at both machines, I initially thought that the micra was the linea mini at first glance. But sadly no, it was the much smaller machine next to it, which I barely noticed. - it simply lacks scale in my opinion, and the workspace is too limited.
Hence I ordered the R58 which stood next to it, and for me looked superior.
As a coffee technician, I like how easy it is to build flow control, and other mods to the 58.
The only dealbreaker I could see with the Rocket is the heat up time. I kinda fear the electric bill. I do like the pedal and knobs on the micra, more than the rocket also.
All in all, I think I would be very pleased with both machines, but if I’m not even a la marzocco fanboy, then the extra money wouldn’t make sense for me to throw at it.
I hope height between portafilter and tray is not like Gaggia classic at la marzocco . We cant get low drip tray for it :)
From Line Mini, to Decent, to Ponte Vecchio Lusso, the Micra is the most easiest and best machine. The 5 minute ramp up is a game changer. The espresso is top quality and it is idiot proof. Literally a no brainer.
Micra is better than the mini for home use. Faster heat up time. Smaller footprint, Smaller boiler, more power efficient, (if you not making many shots like for a big party). I got the Micra. Don't like the looks of most e61 machines, not a fan of squarish stainless steel. Micra seem more modern.
La Marzocco! Hoping to make that my next machine! Both beautiful though
Like your taste!
What machine do you currently have?
@@CoffeePartsTV he has none.
Its so easy to add flow control to the rocket, why would you not mention that?
I really enjoyed watching the video, it was very informative. However, I noticed that there were several camera angles where my perspective was placed off to the left and only the side of your face was visible. As a viewer, I felt like I wasn't being directly engaged and it took away from the experience a bit. I understand that for some reason this is a trend on RUclips now, but perhaps it could be done in a way that doesn't leave the viewer feeling left out. Just some constructive feedback to consider for future videos. Thank you for sharing your content!
I'd take La Marzocco's saturated grouphead and modern internals over E61 machine any day.
me too. super fast heat up time .
I have my heart set on a Blue Micra. Just a couple more months, and all being well, I will be ready to take the plunge.
Beautiful! Blue is rare colour, yet my fav :)
As a company we see white and black so often, that when its a colour makes them feel special.
@@CoffeePartsTV I love black and white, also stainless but I am up for a change so I figure I will go with something a bit different this time around :)
Can you review the La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II please
Price?????
I got the Micra. I hope I made the right choice
Beautiful machine, and to be fair you can't make a wrong choice between these two machines.
Both beautifully built machines that produce awesome results.
Congrats on the Micra!
👍❤️I love my Micra and amazing quality product and shots
Can micra compare with lelit Bianca v3 ?
Its better build and quility is way better. And also heat up time is 6 times faster
I think micra, the smaller size wins to be honest.
But that's a problem for next year 😂
you have a nice smile sir
Micra seems overpriced for not having a lot of basic features like even a basic screen to see shot times or brew temps
The app counts the shot times in big numbers on the phone. I hear you, the basic features of the Micra are not transparent. Like, you have to manually adjust the pump pressure, the app will not do it.
La Marzocco, still!
Neither, the La Marzocco gets closest with the small size and quick heat up, but please no, not another "expletive deleted" App. On the other hand, I am just not into E61 machines, they all look the same, take a fair bit of time to heat up, and, I assume with all the exposed hot metal, use a lot of energy.
If you have $4000 or less what would you buy?
Assuming AUD, and budget just for machine not including grinder.
Would most likely go for something like a Rocket Mozzafiato Type R.
Rocket so Beautiful build, Rotary pump, Heat/Exchange, e61/pid so pretty temperature stable, great machine for circa 4k aud.
I love beautiful builds, so I tend to go for great build less specs, then all specs and cheap builds.
What about Lelit Bionca V3 or ECM Syncronica?
@@briankossof they are more than $4k
@@markv7899 I bought a Lelit Bianca V3 in black. $3049 US dollars
@@briankossof oh well you're commenting on an Australian video with Australian dollars. Hence their comment on AUD and therefore suggesting rotary HX's. Yes if you're talking USD of $4k then the lelit and ECM are now in budget
The Micra wins on aesthetics and size. Some clever engineering and design, too, to create a product like this that is so compact. The minimalist approach is a winner for me. But … what’s with the app. Seriously. That’s a big thumbs down. So too is the clearance between port-a-filter and drip tray. Lastly, I’ve got to say it, that elephant is really heavily on me … the price.
Ho una Marzocco da 15 mesi, solo problemi, passa tanto tempo in assistenza, non la riprenderei, sto documentandomi per sostituirla , purtroppo ci lascio tanti soldi, ma sono stanco delle settimane e settimane in assistenza. I problemi non vengono risolti e sistematicamente si ripresentano. Di sicuro mi è capitato un prodotto fallato, ma non lo sostituiscono
Is the Micra easier to plumb in compare to the Mini? Or is it still the same?
It has Rotary pump allowing plumbing and pre infusion if it plumbed
@@kevjmu yes but I heard the mini is hard to plumb in because of the tight spots in the machine to undo some screws
They don’t even release a plumbing kit yet, so we have to wait some time to see if Micra need same procedure with Mini. Anyways it will happen one time only, no matter how hard it is😊
@@KostantinosNt. cheers!
Which one I'd want?
La Marzocco ... Leva X ;-).
Seriously though, Micra. I'd only want a Rocket with Giotto sides.
Ohhh I have a massive soft spot for the Leva X :)
I much prefer the classic Italian design with modern touches of the Rocket, over the design of the Micra. Also there's nothing classy about a plastic portafilter.
The portafitler on the Micra gets me too...
Wining about the portafilter is ok but u can use bottomless or another 58mm with metal sprouts
own the old R58 a couple of years now. Never any problem in daily use. Thought about the Micra because of the extreme preheat time of 35 minutes of the R58. Would have bought the Micra - but no - no - no - a build in Shottimer would have cost 30 Euro and rise the endprice 200 in Marzocco "dimensions". Sorry, it's 2023. Where's the problem to build in a small display of a few mm. Just a counter 1-35 sec. ? because it's rocket science ? - even if Rocket offer it last two years for the same price as for the old machine for shure it is not.
I am surprised you would label the Rocket as commercial grade machine. To my knowledge, there are no commercial machines build with an E 61 grouphead. Even Rocket’s own commercial machine do not have e61 group heads. I think this is misleading. I think you are probably making more money selling Rockets than la marzocco. E61 machines are popular because they are cheap to build. The innovation la marzocco is bringing with their micra is pretty amazing, such as a 5 to 8 mn heat up time as an example….for full disclosure I own neither machines.
Yep, it sounds like a sales pitch. "They're both great!" Ugh....
Totally. What’s the point of doing a review if you don’t share your opinion. Way too many of these out there.
Size matter. This machine for single or a couple people living in a tiny apartment.
Even with bigger places, sometime bench-space is a premium.
This is a monster in a small footprint. Without issues u can make 7/8 drinks back to back without issues
Rocket
Compare these two is simple, if you get the LA Micra, you're paying more for less. It's smaller, less space for steam milk, just one portafilter with plastic removible attached, a PID control, timer, etc by app and it is MORE EXPENSIVE. It is just the brand. To Pay more for the Mini ok, but even the Mini is to damn expensive.
You dont pay for less u pay for the fastest heat up machine with dual boilers. Its the biggest plus, it saves you electric bill so the micra will earn money for you
E61
yeah! an expert salesman doesn't know which one to sell. The worst sales strategy is to confuse potential perspectives with competing brands.
The are Timeless, but not the Best
Guess the best is always subjective.
Never a one size fits all :)
My advise: please keep control of your hands while speaking. The really do distract constantantly moving. Second tip do not constantl y flip flop camera stand. You ar not fox network. Thanks for the comparison
I do not like the way the La Marzocco front is made, it feels the same as a Breville. And at 6500 seems way over priced compared to the R58 at 3300.
Are you serious it does not look close to any breville 😂 and it weighs like 10 times more