Unless you at a cafe where the baristas are fastidious, which is rare, surprised a famous RUclipsr hasn’t been offered a “barista nightmare’s” reality show
In my case, I have never made espresso as good as my favorite cafe does. They have a Kees Van Der Vesten (~25000 Eur), some big flat burr grinders (I am not sure of the model), their own roastery and some amazing, amazing baristas. My Niche and Bianca can never reach that level of shot clarity and sweetness. I am upgrading to a Lagom p64, maybe then I'll get closer.
@@scviper Yeah, I think you'll definitely get there with some practice and the grinder upgrade! Usually if the cafe is a roaster / cafe they tend to know what they're doing I find :)
I wouldn’t say it’s a $4000 taste difference, but like one thing I mentioned in my review of the GS3 was that buying one isn’t a choice made in reason because there are other machines that do the same for less.
Bianca v3 sells at 1500 us dollars in China, i don't understand how it goes to 3000 us dollars in us. Maybe the third party distributors booked a business class ticket for the machine?
The mark up is usually higher in many Western market, as they rely on physical distribution with many middle man and delivery cost is much higher. China sells mainly online and wage is cheaper.
🙋🏻♂️ Bianca - which, truthfully, was purchased after your in depth review. So thank you for that, as well! As for the video, it’s not everyday that someone can get these two on the bench together. Appreciate you spro 🫶🏼 - future videos of flow profiling techniques/recipes?!
I have had the Bianca for almost three years now and it's been a trusty machine. I have however been getting the itch to upgrade, but it's really hard to justify it, because the coffee you can make with the Bianca is close to perfect already. I find myself disappointed by this video, because it's pushing me back from upgrading :) Thanks a lot for the comparison! Please make a video about flow profiling and how you use preinfusion etc with the machines.
Haha well there are some things you can get out of the GS3 the Bianca can’t, but it’s all about engineering like boiler sizes, and group differences. It definitely can be hard to justify the upgrade, but like I said in my review of the GS3, buying one isn’t a decision made in reason haha.
@@Sprometheus the difference might also be the temperature stability. The e61 is less stable than a saturated group. I hade the Rocket R58 before my GS3 MP, and I personally found the GS3 far superior to the e61 group, especially with light roast. But again, it is a matter of taste like you said.
I own the Bianca v3 and love it! It is a joy to make espresso every morning and the machine fun to use!! I enjoy experimenting with the flow control 🤗 Thank you for your amazing video!!!
GS3 all the way! Because it‘s so big you can really work around the machine, put something aside on the drip tray, have clear vision on the built in display and the overall cleaning experience is way better than on any other machine. But then you can get three Bianca v3 machines for the same price, at least here in Germany😅
I use daily a LaMarzocco Linea MINI at the office , for years now. Great shots . I started to use a Bianca at home a few weeks ago only, so too early for a final judgment but so far I would say that the shoots are similar or anyway the difference is not that big for me to worth the cost difference. Looking fwd now to see the reliability and time endurance . Thanks for the video !
@@jurig5579 La Marzocco still feels simple, robust, trusted despite being used heavy in the office. The price difference is too big to buy one at home! I would buy again a Bianca for home use and a La Marzocco for the office. Bianca is great, really great! Imo you can’t buy a better one for home use!
A bianca is about 2500 dollars here in Europe. Paying more than 3 times more for a la marzocco SHOULD yield better results. I got my bianca V2 for 1600 dollars, an absolute steal for what it can produce. Use the paddle daily for preinfusion and works like a charm.
Thanks for this. I recently purchased the Lelit after agonizing comparing it to a number of options including the GS3. Ultimately decided for my purposes, espresso just for me and a less than refined palate, the Bianca v3 hit the mark. I love that machine, if you can love a machine.
You can absolutely love a machine! And it’s a great choice. Even if you don’t have a refined palate at the moment, it’s a machine that can grow with you and gives you a lot of freedom.
Nice comparison. I’m team Bianca. She’s a v2 and we’ve been a team for almost 2 years now. Absolutely love her and currently haven’t had the itch to upgrade, as I feel like there’s still plenty of room for me to evolve and explore the espresso world with her. I absolutely love the Bianca’s small footprint and removable tank. It provides for so much flexibility in terms of where I can place her. … also, and more importantly I find that she’s providing me with tasty espressos. Thanks a lot for your videos. They truly are appreciated. As someone else mentioned, I’d also love to see a video of how you work with pre infusion and flow profiling.
Good video. I feel like in part this comes down to budget. With limitless budget, why not get the LM GS3? The GS3 is pretty much double the cost. I would love to have a Slayer and a Kafatek Monolith Flat Max but that isn't and WON'T be in the cards shy of winning the lotto. In regards to flow profiling, how does something like the Decent compare as far as providing the ultimate in flexibility? If it can be compared at all due to other factors.
The Decent is a bit of a unique case. I don’t personally enjoy using it, but it does have a lot of control. But the control is all computer based, and I like the raw, moment to moment, manual control of these machines.
You have to change the shower screen in the Lelit bianca , because you use in GS3 IMS shower screen , must be the same in Lelit bianca to make your comparison fair
Feels like Rolls Royce vs Mercedes 😂 budget no object the GS3 is simply gorgeous vs. another nice e61. Doubt I have your super palate to discern the subtle nuances you describe. I have used a Fiorenzato Bricoletta HX e61 for 10 years. Added a Lucca flow control paddle and pressure gauge - and love the ability to flow profile - it transforms the machine and the process. Looking at Levers and the Decent for a someday upgrade. Thanks for your fabulous content - love your channel ❤❤❤ Are you ever going to explain the Pony boy reference?
Thanks for the great video as usual. In future videos, it would be nice to compare rotary pump machines to a spring lever machine like the profitec pro 800
I’m gonna go with the argument that at a staggering 4000 dollar difference - for a reversion to mean on all time coffee tastiness -, you could spend it all on tons of coffee or even roasting. 60kg of the most expensive Brazilian black gold is around $2K. Not excluding the fact that you could probably go towards the rabbit hole of roasting with the Bullet roaster at $3.5K. There’s so much to explore with that kind of money in the coffee industry that I actually do not believe it is worthwhile to get the GSP instead of a Bianca.
Not a rational choice due to significant diminishing returns, but team GS3 MP here. An iconic and beautiful piece of espresso history. Love the white panels!
The gs3 is just an unique piece of the finest tec but way too much for just home use… bianca ticks all boxes here with lower built quality and not aimed for decades of use with it’s average components… where I live one can get 3 biancas for one gs3… bianca is the way to go… enjoy!
I feel there is diminishing returns factor. I own the Bianca V2 and am extremely happy with it, and I've used the GS3 which may be mildly better but I don't feel the GS3 is $4500 better. If budget wasn't a factor, I'd probably just skip the GS3 and jump up to the Slayer Single Group. All that said, the Bianca scratches my flow control itch when I'm feeling experimental, but I picked up an E1 Prima a few months ago, and thats become my daily machine.
For 2.3x the price better to make a darn good espresso😂 I’m ok with 90% perfect coffee and that another 3500k in my pocket or spent on grinders+coffee Apples to Pears c’mon Mercedes S klasse has laser headlights and the Audio a4 has laser headlights too, let’s Compare which one has smoother cornering🤦🏼♂️🫣 Oh design and beauty is subjective but a gs3 will never ever make to my counter top🥺
I'm on the hunt for my first espresso machine. I'm very excited. I've watched A LOT of videos describing the strengths & weakness of many. I have to say after watching THIS video, I've pretty much made my decision and it's the Lelit Bianca, all the way. So thank you. You've been a real help. Btw, what is the brand of grinder to the left of the La Marzocca and have you done any videos on your favorite coffee bean grinder?
First ! EDIT AFTER WATCHING. Thank you for an excellent video and the comparisons. I am sure either machine would be great. I just love the look and finish of the GS3 as a piece of coffee engineering ( and well above my pay grade, sadly ). Stay safe, all
LM > Everything Maintenance, availability of parts, customer service. I used my 11 years old GS3 AV that was kept on 24/7 for its life with close to no issues. And when one arose, it was quickly remedied with a few hours of getting my hands dirty
Thanks for this comparison: Differences are slight in the nuance and probably if fine tuning enough on the Lelit the taste differences won't be recognizable at all any more. Hence, coming back to the crucial difference price: is the double price of the GS3 really worth it then? I love La M and it has something mythical...so, if going that route, probably the sentimental value is worth it ; )
I’m starting my new search into espresso machines! So happy to have found this channel. After working with my Izzo Alex Duetto II for about 10 years, it’s on the fritz due to an arc/sparking issue!! That being said, the GS3 was the machine I was interested in upgrading to in the future. This video however brings a new contender to the table. I’m still swayed to the GS3, but time will tell. Thank you for your input and content.
May I ask what is it about the Bianca that scratched that itch more than the GS3? You did mention that the GS3 makes it easier to control whereas the Lelit has a looser paddle. Do you prefer the Bianca because of the higher concentration needed?
One machine didn’t scratch it more than the other. The Lelit just provided the profiling experience that I had been wanting to upgrade for, and for less.
@@Sprometheus I see. I don't see myself ever buying a GS3. But something like the Lelit is something I would consider. Personally I see mysf getting a Robot or the Flair 58 as a more realistic purchase.
Nice review. While in the past I enjoyed DIY on espresso machines (a La Cimbali), at my age I find this is no longer something I want to do if it requires any significant disassembly of internals. I like the ability to call a Marzocco-approved (and very competent) tech to work on my machine if needed. Only required this service once in the first two years, and the cost was covered completely by Marzocco. Customer service and the ability to acquire 1st rate advice from Marzocco has been invaluable. Also I find the temperature stability of the saturated group to be far superior to the E61 group - it's like a rock, whereas more care and technique is required with an E61 (in the age of PID control, easier but nonetheless). I would also say that while the GS3 can be classed as a top-of-the-line prosumer machine, it straddles the line and is also a small, 1-group fully capable commercial machine (with NSF certifications) suitable for low-volume use in restaurants and small coffee shops.
I like the exposed group because it’s easily to bring the temp down when it gets too hot if it’s been running, without having to go through half a litre of specialty water in a cooling flush. The exposed group of e61 is an added bonus for me in that regard.
Thank you, very interesting comparison of the two machines. At my price point I'm very interested in the Lucca A53 Mini V3 by Clive(I'm in Portland). It is a 53mm basket, but 1K less
@The Real Sprometheus I liked the specs at that price point. Also, I suggested to Atlas Coffee Customer Service (which is great) to contact you about sponsorship.
Did you check the actual water temperature on the Lelit? I just installed one in my coffee shop and found that while it was set at 95 Celsius in the pid but it was actually running at about 92 degrees after 40 minutes and pulling 10 shots. That could pretty well explain the difference in taste. The pid has an offset setting to correct this.
Was it 5 K better espresso, I bet of you get them shots in a milk based drink you won’t tell which one it is. Waaay to expensive unless your a guy who doesn’t mind paying two months worth of rent on a cofre machine
Loved this video. I have owned a Lucca M58 with a Quick Mill flow control kit installed for 2.5 years. It doesn't have some of the automatic Preinfusion and temperature surfing features of the Lelit V3 but has flawlessly scratched my espresso control itch and made my pre-work morning coffee time an absolute delight. Paired with a Ceado E37S grinder I spent $4400 on this setup. Totally unjustifiable yet completely worth it, to me.
good machine/grinder setup. I may be leaning that way too. Any specific reasons you choose the E37S over the E37J? about $600-700 difference in price. THanks!
@Scott Winkler I mainly picked it for the 83mm burrs and wormgear adjustment feature. Not sure (highly doubt) if either feature would make ANY difference in the cup over the 37J. I also bought mine for $1400 and didn't pay full retail.
I found Bianca thermal stability in 20-25mins.. GSE 45mins? is this correct? However Bianca has a few plastic tubes; ie. on the inside of the steam wand (should be able to replace). Is there any plastic in the GS3? Would imagine not at that price..
Hi, thank you for your video. I own a lelit bianca and I am super excited! Can you answer me one question please? Did you use the same basket for the comparison? If not. Can you please do? Thanks in advance!
I have a Breville Dual Boiler and have been enjoying long preinfusion shots on it. I don’t really want to give up my hot water so I haven’t done the slayer mod. I’ve been eying the Lelit Bianca, but wasn’t sure I wanted to go that route since it seems like the e61 is less temperature stable than my Dual Boiler. Would the Bianca give me a better cup or should I skip that upgrade and save money for a bigger jump up?
Thanks you for this video. I have rocket r9. before I had 2 experiences with 2 flow control on bezzera matrix- profitec and lelit kit. It's just better world. much more accurate And much more control. People who have not had experience with such machines will never understand. I am with the mp team!! And I love your Odaka Home cups!!
@@Sprometheus I can tell you this I’ve had the linea mini the GS3 MP the VA prima & some E61’s the rocket R9 one is the best espresso machine I’ve owned.
the minor advantage that the gsm3 could provide don't justify the gap of 4,500 usd dollars. i do have the Lelit Bianca V 2, and honestly speaking, there is not match contender, neither in price range, double range or price wise ratio!, awesome build, consistency, creativity, and a lot headroom to play around with your taste and coffee profile
Team GS3... But mostly because I have one but mine is the AV rather than the MP. It gets used on a coffee cart and probably the best thing about it is just how many coffees you can pump out with it. You get heaps of steam and plenty of temperature stability. having said that, I wouldn't recommend it to people. Just too darn expensive and you can make a really good espresso with far less money.
Will never watch another one of your videos with your decision to try and force to watch an advertisement on top of all the bullshit RUclips ads. Unsubscribed
Mhh, I really can’t get used to the design of most E61 machines. I mean the Bianca doesn’t look like the usual chrome bomber, but it still looks like a fancy steampunk device. I prefer the GS3 that looks like a workshop utility. I know that doesn’t answer any of the questions from the video but design is such a huge factor for me 😅 But I can’t afford a GS3 anyways 😅
The local dealers provided a Bianca to me to try in my home. The results were dramatically improved over my lever. The Bianca was a very nice machine. Very tempting. After a lot of research and discussion I decided to go with the GS3MP. That was almost 4 years ago and the decision was definitely the right one. LM makes very stable and dependable machines.
Pretty sure I k ow the answer to this already, but would the Lelit hold up to multiple shots in a row? I'm looking to start a side gig catering espresso and would probably use whatever machine I get in my home when I'm not working. Any chance the Bianca would hold up in something like that?
thank you for your effort, is the GS3 a flow profiling or pressure profiling, based on your experience it their a differences between flow profiling and pressure profiling. the reason for my questions is because I am in the ,market for a machine after 5 years on the LMLM
Hey! What about the linea micra vs the bianca? They have a more similar price range and have some differences too. While this would be especiall useful for me, it would really be an entertaining video. Thanks!
I’ve own the Bianca for two days and already love it. Between the two I prefer the Bianca. The GS3 is too big and expensive and I don’t like the esthetics. I’m my opinion I doubt if there even is a difference in taste, that it would justify the purchase and the esthetic and price differences.
Spro, what's the longest wait time you've ever had for an espresso? I was in line at Blue Bottle in DC today for FOURTY FIVE MINUTES to get a pour-over and an espresso. (You'd think they'd expedite the "barista's order," right). It was worth it, to get the same Costa Rica both ways, but I'll never put my girlfriend through that AGAIN! lol. She never touches coffee, yet asked to taste it after that kind of wait.
My preference is… drumroll… the Mini. I like balancing time, yield, and temperature and leaving it at that. Adding flow (let alone temperature) profiling would give me too many options. I probably hated chem lab more than any other class. I’m just not an experimenter. Also, I tend to make small milk drinks, so I’m probably not seeking perfection like a straight espresso drinker. If I were tempted to upgrade, I could probably sell the Mini, buy the Lelit, and pocket some change. I’d have to save up some real cash for the GS3. The Lelit would feel like a downgrade, so I’d probably save up for the GS3. But if I’m to save up for any upgrade, it would be to get a large flat burr grinder over my conical Niche. Overall, both of these machines would be great for those who want profiling. Maybe the Decent would be the other consideration.
I am an owner of Lelit Bianca v3 (in chrome, not that beautiful white color you own there). That's my team. I have to admit though, that I am looking forward in the future to try saturated group heads, like the ones from La Marzocco GS3 and the Rocket R9 One. Should I try and replace my IMS basket with one from Wafo, that you showed us ? I am only using double spout, so not worried at all about channeling - causing a mess
Hi 👋 which temperature was used in each machine? If the set temp was the same on the PID Bianca will be 4/7c off that temp at group head vs the GS3 that might be at the set temp. Did you noticed any temperature difference in the cup? Thanks!
GS 3 no question. After to many half way tryouts (Silva, Rancilio class 5, la Cimbali 21 junior) I spent the required ridiculous some and it is ridiculously good.
I think the Bianca is let down by the E61 grouphead. It may have good intrashot temperature stability but E61 machines are notorious for terrible intershot temperature management which may be contributing to the difference in results.
What is the black funnel you are using for the 58mm PF? I have tried a few and am not happy with them… they are either inside of the basket, or too far away from the basket (outside ring) which makes a mess when adding ground coffee. The one you use looks to have a smooth transition to the IMS basket..
In my part of the world , Bianca is much cheaper, basically at a fraction of GS3 cost. If I ever upgrade, GS3 or slayer it would be. And will then bother having it plumped in and use some water solution, which I believe will drastically improve the shot quality.
Thanks for this video :) I am here because of the itch. I don’t own any of these currently; but there’s a itch further more after watching this since the price point and style of pulling the shots with pre infusion is so impressively versatile. I like to ask if There’s gona be a video or is there 1 already for a slayer vs the GS3 comparison. Nvm the price point since it’s already beyond reasoning 😂
Personally, I think the phrase 'cafe-quality espresso' is comical. A cafe is never going to touch the quality and care of homemade espresso.
Unless you at a cafe where the baristas are fastidious, which is rare, surprised a famous RUclipsr hasn’t been offered a “barista nightmare’s” reality show
They can be good
In my case, I have never made espresso as good as my favorite cafe does. They have a Kees Van Der Vesten (~25000 Eur), some big flat burr grinders (I am not sure of the model), their own roastery and some amazing, amazing baristas. My Niche and Bianca can never reach that level of shot clarity and sweetness. I am upgrading to a Lagom p64, maybe then I'll get closer.
You are going to the wrong cafes
@@scviper Yeah, I think you'll definitely get there with some practice and the grinder upgrade!
Usually if the cafe is a roaster / cafe they tend to know what they're doing I find :)
Is that a $4000 taste difference? That is where the question of diminishing returns comes in.
I wouldn’t say it’s a $4000 taste difference, but like one thing I mentioned in my review of the GS3 was that buying one isn’t a choice made in reason because there are other machines that do the same for less.
@@Sprometheus Absolutely. It is not a choice made in reason. Appreciate your reply. 🤙🏽
Bianca v3 sells at 1500 us dollars in China, i don't understand how it goes to 3000 us dollars in us. Maybe the third party distributors booked a business class ticket for the machine?
The mark up is usually higher in many Western market, as they rely on physical distribution with many middle man and delivery cost is much higher. China sells mainly online and wage is cheaper.
That's so sad.
🙋🏻♂️ Bianca - which, truthfully, was purchased after your in depth review. So thank you for that, as well! As for the video, it’s not everyday that someone can get these two on the bench together. Appreciate you spro 🫶🏼 - future videos of flow profiling techniques/recipes?!
I have had the Bianca for almost three years now and it's been a trusty machine. I have however been getting the itch to upgrade, but it's really hard to justify it, because the coffee you can make with the Bianca is close to perfect already. I find myself disappointed by this video, because it's pushing me back from upgrading :) Thanks a lot for the comparison!
Please make a video about flow profiling and how you use preinfusion etc with the machines.
Haha well there are some things you can get out of the GS3 the Bianca can’t, but it’s all about engineering like boiler sizes, and group differences. It definitely can be hard to justify the upgrade, but like I said in my review of the GS3, buying one isn’t a decision made in reason haha.
@@Sprometheus the difference might also be the temperature stability. The e61 is less stable than a saturated group. I hade the Rocket R58 before my GS3 MP, and I personally found the GS3 far superior to the e61 group, especially with light roast. But again, it is a matter of taste like you said.
Good Lord, your barista friend torqued the hell out of that portafilter!
I own the Bianca v3 and love it! It is a joy to make espresso every morning and the machine fun to use!! I enjoy experimenting with the flow control 🤗
Thank you for your amazing video!!!
Glad to hear you’re enjoying it, and thank you for the kind words!
GS3 all the way! Because it‘s so big you can really work around the machine, put something aside on the drip tray, have clear vision on the built in display and the overall cleaning experience is way better than on any other machine.
But then you can get three Bianca v3 machines for the same price, at least here in Germany😅
In China, Lelit Bianca v3 only needs US $1870, while the GS3MP needs US $7000.. So I didn't hesitate to choose Bianca v3
Your videos were amazing to begin with, now they even make me feel better as a Bianca owner! Keep it up brother!!
Thank you my friend!
I use daily a LaMarzocco Linea MINI at the office , for years now. Great shots .
I started to use a Bianca at home a few weeks ago only, so too early for a final judgment but so far I would say that the shoots are similar or anyway the difference is not that big for me to worth the cost difference. Looking fwd now to see the reliability and time endurance .
Thanks for the video !
So, 2 months later, what is your experience? Which espresso machine do you prefer for everyday use and taste, if money doesn't matter?
@@jurig5579 La Marzocco still feels simple, robust, trusted despite being used heavy in the office.
The price difference is too big to buy one at home!
I would buy again a Bianca for home use and a La Marzocco for the office.
Bianca is great, really great! Imo you can’t buy a better one for home use!
@@jurig5579 Bianca has more options to play with the taste, if you like to keep experimenting! Go for Bianca in this case!
A bianca is about 2500 dollars here in Europe. Paying more than 3 times more for a la marzocco SHOULD yield better results. I got my bianca V2 for 1600 dollars, an absolute steal for what it can produce. Use the paddle daily for preinfusion and works like a charm.
Thanks for this. I recently purchased the Lelit after agonizing comparing it to a number of options including the GS3. Ultimately decided for my purposes, espresso just for me and a less than refined palate, the Bianca v3 hit the mark. I love that machine, if you can love a machine.
You can absolutely love a machine! And it’s a great choice. Even if you don’t have a refined palate at the moment, it’s a machine that can grow with you and gives you a lot of freedom.
i love machines as well
The price difference in the Netherlands is even more, €2.250 vs €8,050 delivered.
Team Lelit , even though I own a Linea Mini. The price and performance of the Lelit make it an unbeatable option.
Nice comparison. I’m team Bianca. She’s a v2 and we’ve been a team for almost 2 years now.
Absolutely love her and currently haven’t had the itch to upgrade, as I feel like there’s still plenty of room for me to evolve and explore the espresso world with her.
I absolutely love the Bianca’s small footprint and removable tank. It provides for so much flexibility in terms of where I can place her.
… also, and more importantly I find that she’s providing me with tasty espressos.
Thanks a lot for your videos. They truly are appreciated.
As someone else mentioned, I’d also love to see a video of how you work with pre infusion and flow profiling.
Im 1yr in with my v2 and still learning every shot pulled.
love me some good anthropomorphism
Good video. I feel like in part this comes down to budget. With limitless budget, why not get the LM GS3? The GS3 is pretty much double the cost. I would love to have a Slayer and a Kafatek Monolith Flat Max but that isn't and WON'T be in the cards shy of winning the lotto.
In regards to flow profiling, how does something like the Decent compare as far as providing the ultimate in flexibility? If it can be compared at all due to other factors.
The Decent is a bit of a unique case. I don’t personally enjoy using it, but it does have a lot of control. But the control is all computer based, and I like the raw, moment to moment, manual control of these machines.
Want manual, get a lever.
I really like San Remo You but there isn’t much online Scott it yet so might have to just hold up
You have to change the shower screen in the Lelit bianca , because you use in GS3 IMS shower screen , must be the same in Lelit bianca to make your comparison fair
If I wasn't price sensitive, I would choose the GS3.
Feels like Rolls Royce vs Mercedes 😂 budget no object the GS3 is simply gorgeous vs. another nice e61. Doubt I have your super palate to discern the subtle nuances you describe. I have used a Fiorenzato Bricoletta HX e61 for 10 years. Added a Lucca flow control paddle and pressure gauge - and love the ability to flow profile - it transforms the machine and the process. Looking at Levers and the Decent for a someday upgrade. Thanks for your fabulous content - love your channel ❤❤❤ Are you ever going to explain the Pony boy reference?
Thanks for the great video as usual. In future videos, it would be nice to compare rotary pump machines to a spring lever machine like the profitec pro 800
I’ve got some spring levers coming in the future so definitely expect to see that
I’m gonna go with the argument that at a staggering 4000 dollar difference - for a reversion to mean on all time coffee tastiness -, you could spend it all on tons of coffee or even roasting. 60kg of the most expensive Brazilian black gold is around $2K. Not excluding the fact that you could probably go towards the rabbit hole of roasting with the Bullet roaster at $3.5K. There’s so much to explore with that kind of money in the coffee industry that I actually do not believe it is worthwhile to get the GSP instead of a Bianca.
I am not even in the market for either of these machines but your videos are so entertaining! Seriously my favorite spro channel
Not a rational choice due to significant diminishing returns, but team GS3 MP here. An iconic and beautiful piece of espresso history. Love the white panels!
diminishing returns for sure. Not sure if I can justify over double the price. Esp when they both have similar features.
The gs3 is just an unique piece of the finest tec but way too much for just home use… bianca ticks all boxes here with lower built quality and not aimed for decades of use with it’s average components… where I live one can get 3 biancas for one gs3… bianca is the way to go… enjoy!
I feel there is diminishing returns factor. I own the Bianca V2 and am extremely happy with it, and I've used the GS3 which may be mildly better but I don't feel the GS3 is $4500 better. If budget wasn't a factor, I'd probably just skip the GS3 and jump up to the Slayer Single Group. All that said, the Bianca scratches my flow control itch when I'm feeling experimental, but I picked up an E1 Prima a few months ago, and thats become my daily machine.
yes, it's that $4500 price difference.
I’ve been wondering for a while, what are those cups? They are beautiful!
Those are the Emma cups from Odaka - www.odakahome.com
For 2.3x the price better to make a darn good espresso😂
I’m ok with 90% perfect coffee and that another 3500k in my pocket or spent on grinders+coffee
Apples to Pears c’mon
Mercedes S klasse has laser headlights and the Audio a4 has laser headlights too, let’s
Compare which one has smoother cornering🤦🏼♂️🫣
Oh design and beauty is subjective but a gs3 will never ever make to my counter top🥺
I'm on the hunt for my first espresso machine. I'm very excited. I've watched A LOT of videos describing the strengths & weakness of many. I have to say after watching THIS video, I've pretty much made my decision and it's the Lelit Bianca, all the way. So thank you. You've been a real help. Btw, what is the brand of grinder to the left of the La Marzocca and have you done any videos on your favorite coffee bean grinder?
Me2 I just purchased the lelit Bianca V3 today. I should get it on Monday.😮😊❤
First ! EDIT AFTER WATCHING. Thank you for an excellent video and the comparisons. I am sure either machine would be great. I just love the look and finish of the GS3 as a piece of coffee engineering ( and well above my pay grade, sadly ). Stay safe, all
Thanks for watching Alan! And yeah, the GS3 does have a specialness to it that’s hard to describe. A unique beauty. Have a good weekend.
GS 3 for me, fun and informative comparison, nicely done. Both are beautiful visually.
"Hey Siri! Pull some shots for me!"... I think my Siri is broken.
Team GS3 with the Team Bianca budget 😁 That being said, you had some great things to say about the Bianca.
LM > Everything
Maintenance, availability of parts, customer service.
I used my 11 years old GS3 AV that was kept on 24/7 for its life with close to no issues. And when one arose, it was quickly remedied with a few hours of getting my hands dirty
Gs3 just looks pro
I want to buy a GS3 but the water waste is really getting me down. I cannot plumb in. Just seems a bad design.
Thanks for this comparison: Differences are slight in the nuance and probably if fine tuning enough on the Lelit the taste differences won't be recognizable at all any more. Hence, coming back to the crucial difference price: is the double price of the GS3 really worth it then? I love La M and it has something mythical...so, if going that route, probably the sentimental value is worth it ; )
I’m starting my new search into espresso machines! So happy to have found this channel. After working with my Izzo Alex Duetto II for about 10 years, it’s on the fritz due to an arc/sparking issue!! That being said, the GS3 was the machine I was interested in upgrading to in the future. This video however brings a new contender to the table. I’m still swayed to the GS3, but time will tell. Thank you for your input and content.
May I ask what is it about the Bianca that scratched that itch more than the GS3?
You did mention that the GS3 makes it easier to control whereas the Lelit has a looser paddle. Do you prefer the Bianca because of the higher concentration needed?
One machine didn’t scratch it more than the other. The Lelit just provided the profiling experience that I had been wanting to upgrade for, and for less.
@@Sprometheus I see. I don't see myself ever buying a GS3. But something like the Lelit is something I would consider. Personally I see mysf getting a Robot or the Flair 58 as a more realistic purchase.
More team gs3 purely based on the engineering I'm a big fan of la marzoccos units
The engineering is definitely next level. The layout alone shows a lot of knowledge and respect for the those who will have their hands inside it.
Nice review.
While in the past I enjoyed DIY on espresso machines (a La Cimbali), at my age I find this is no longer something I want to do if it requires any significant disassembly of internals. I like the ability to call a Marzocco-approved (and very competent) tech to work on my machine if needed. Only required this service once in the first two years, and the cost was covered completely by Marzocco. Customer service and the ability to acquire 1st rate advice from Marzocco has been invaluable. Also I find the temperature stability of the saturated group to be far superior to the E61 group - it's like a rock, whereas more care and technique is required with an E61 (in the age of PID control, easier but nonetheless).
I would also say that while the GS3 can be classed as a top-of-the-line prosumer machine, it straddles the line and is also a small, 1-group fully capable commercial machine (with NSF certifications) suitable for low-volume use in restaurants and small coffee shops.
I like the exposed group because it’s easily to bring the temp down when it gets too hot if it’s been running, without having to go through half a litre of specialty water in a cooling flush. The exposed group of e61 is an added bonus for me in that regard.
team gaggia classic pro with 9 bar OPV 🙋♂
I'm team Mara-x until I win the lottery 😂
But I love it. Might try the flow profile mod at some point!
There's also a 'little' bit of a price difference between them so Bianca has that going for it!
Just waiting for the Micra GS3
Haha not sure if that one is in the cards.
Thank you, very interesting comparison of the two machines.
At my price point I'm very interested in the Lucca A53 Mini V3 by Clive(I'm in Portland). It is a 53mm basket, but 1K less
I haven’t had the chance to use that machine yet. Maybe I should reach out to Clive.
@The Real Sprometheus I liked the specs at that price point.
Also, I suggested to Atlas Coffee Customer Service (which is great) to contact you about sponsorship.
Im just afraid, as i do drink slot of milky stuff such as cappuccino and flat whites. With that being said, I’ve been told the Bianca lacks there abit
Thank you my friend.
Of course, thank you for watching. Have great weekend!
Did you check the actual water temperature on the Lelit? I just installed one in my coffee shop and found that while it was set at 95 Celsius in the pid but it was actually running at about 92 degrees after 40 minutes and pulling 10 shots. That could pretty well explain the difference in taste. The pid has an offset setting to correct this.
You have to set pid to 99 degrees to offset temp loss. Try it, it works!
@@cryptocontractor7983 you can actually change the offset in the service menu so you can set the pid at the desired temperature.
Was it 5 K better espresso, I bet of you get them shots in a milk based drink you won’t tell which one it is. Waaay to expensive unless your a guy who doesn’t mind paying two months worth of rent on a cofre machine
Could it be Siri? After all she was the one that pulled the shots.😔
Would love to hear your thoughts on the Profitec Pro 700
Damn. The Bianca is more than 3000 $ 😳? In Germany I can get it for under 2000€ (2200$)
I thought 9 bar was the holy grail...you went 6 bar. I'm a novice at this with so much to learn...pony boy
Can i use bianca for small commercial use? How dependable bianca for back to back usage?
Next we need a blind taste test with the Bianca, GS3, and Slayer... maybe a Kyle Rowsell collab?!?
You know we live in different countries right? Haha
@@Sprometheus haha, darn, that makes it a bit tougher to bring over 😂
Loved this video. I have owned a Lucca M58 with a Quick Mill flow control kit installed for 2.5 years. It doesn't have some of the automatic Preinfusion and temperature surfing features of the Lelit V3 but has flawlessly scratched my espresso control itch and made my pre-work morning coffee time an absolute delight. Paired with a Ceado E37S grinder I spent $4400 on this setup. Totally unjustifiable yet completely worth it, to me.
good machine/grinder setup. I may be leaning that way too. Any specific reasons you choose the E37S over the E37J? about $600-700 difference in price. THanks!
@Scott Winkler I mainly picked it for the 83mm burrs and wormgear adjustment feature. Not sure (highly doubt) if either feature would make ANY difference in the cup over the 37J. I also bought mine for $1400 and didn't pay full retail.
Team Bianca but….. you sure have to have your grind sorted or it will spray quite easily.
I found Bianca thermal stability in 20-25mins.. GSE 45mins? is this correct? However Bianca has a few plastic tubes; ie. on the inside of the steam wand (should be able to replace). Is there any plastic in the GS3? Would imagine not at that price..
Hi, thank you for your video. I own a lelit bianca and I am super excited!
Can you answer me one question please?
Did you use the same basket for the comparison? If not. Can you please do? Thanks in advance!
I did use the same basket for the comparison, the IMS competition.
@@Sprometheus
Do you remember if the grind settings was matching or there was a slightly difference?
Thanks again for your video!!!
i have a bianca, i love it!
Nice comparison. Glad that you did a blind taste test!
Thanks Mark, and yeah the blind taste tests are always fun too. This was the first time I picked both from the same machine on a comparison.
I have a Breville Dual Boiler and have been enjoying long preinfusion shots on it. I don’t really want to give up my hot water so I haven’t done the slayer mod. I’ve been eying the Lelit Bianca, but wasn’t sure I wanted to go that route since it seems like the e61 is less temperature stable than my Dual Boiler. Would the Bianca give me a better cup or should I skip that upgrade and save money for a bigger jump up?
Sory, I have a ECM SYNC ( standard version)
I am so happy
Team bianca but a bit biased as i just don't like La Marzocco in general XD
Thanks you for this video.
I have rocket r9.
before I had 2 experiences with 2 flow control on bezzera matrix- profitec and lelit kit.
It's just better world.
much more accurate And much more control.
People who have not had experience with such machines will never understand.
I am with the mp team!!
And I love your Odaka Home cups!!
Thanks Sharon! And those cups are beautiful. I need to get ahold of the Rocket soon, how do you like it?
@@Sprometheus I can tell you this I’ve had the linea mini the GS3 MP the VA prima & some E61’s the rocket R9 one is the best espresso machine I’ve owned.
the minor advantage that the gsm3 could provide don't justify the gap of 4,500 usd dollars. i do have the Lelit Bianca V 2, and honestly speaking, there is not match contender, neither in price range, double range or price wise ratio!, awesome build, consistency, creativity, and a lot headroom to play around with your taste and coffee profile
this US prices are crazy, Bianca cost 2k in EU
Team GS3... But mostly because I have one but mine is the AV rather than the MP. It gets used on a coffee cart and probably the best thing about it is just how many coffees you can pump out with it. You get heaps of steam and plenty of temperature stability. having said that, I wouldn't recommend it to people. Just too darn expensive and you can make a really good espresso with far less money.
Will never watch another one of your videos with your decision to try and force to watch an advertisement on top of all the bullshit RUclips ads. Unsubscribed
Is this your first day on RUclips? Haha, good riddance.
Team Bianca (but just for lack of money) 😊
Mhh, I really can’t get used to the design of most E61 machines. I mean the Bianca doesn’t look like the usual chrome bomber, but it still looks like a fancy steampunk device. I prefer the GS3 that looks like a workshop utility. I know that doesn’t answer any of the questions from the video but design is such a huge factor for me 😅 But I can’t afford a GS3 anyways 😅
The local dealers provided a Bianca to me to try in my home. The results were dramatically improved over my lever. The Bianca was a very nice machine. Very tempting. After a lot of research and discussion I decided to go with the GS3MP. That was almost 4 years ago and the decision was definitely the right one. LM makes very stable and dependable machines.
Pretty sure I k ow the answer to this already, but would the Lelit hold up to multiple shots in a row? I'm looking to start a side gig catering espresso and would probably use whatever machine I get in my home when I'm not working. Any chance the Bianca would hold up in something like that?
Which team??? Let me just check my lottery ticket...
thank you for your effort,
is the GS3 a flow profiling or pressure profiling, based on your experience it their a differences between flow profiling and pressure profiling.
the reason for my questions is because I am in the ,market for a machine after 5 years on the LMLM
Hey! What about the linea micra vs the bianca? They have a more similar price range and have some differences too. While this would be especiall useful for me, it would really be an entertaining video. Thanks!
So which machine is best for poor people like me? My take home pay is 800 I love coffee but can't enjoy watching videos like this me me sad.
I’ve own the Bianca for two days and already love it. Between the two I prefer the Bianca. The GS3 is too big and expensive and I don’t like the esthetics. I’m my opinion I doubt if there even is a difference in taste, that it would justify the purchase and the esthetic and price differences.
Spro, what's the longest wait time you've ever had for an espresso? I was in line at Blue Bottle in DC today for FOURTY FIVE MINUTES to get a pour-over and an espresso. (You'd think they'd expedite the "barista's order," right). It was worth it, to get the same Costa Rica both ways, but I'll never put my girlfriend through that AGAIN! lol. She never touches coffee, yet asked to taste it after that kind of wait.
My preference is… drumroll… the Mini. I like balancing time, yield, and temperature and leaving it at that. Adding flow (let alone temperature) profiling would give me too many options. I probably hated chem lab more than any other class. I’m just not an experimenter. Also, I tend to make small milk drinks, so I’m probably not seeking perfection like a straight espresso drinker.
If I were tempted to upgrade, I could probably sell the Mini, buy the Lelit, and pocket some change. I’d have to save up some real cash for the GS3. The Lelit would feel like a downgrade, so I’d probably save up for the GS3.
But if I’m to save up for any upgrade, it would be to get a large flat burr grinder over my conical Niche.
Overall, both of these machines would be great for those who want profiling. Maybe the Decent would be the other consideration.
La marzocco gs3 av ❤ the other only...
"Easier to control" ...moves paddle .5mm and pressure jumps 3 bar. haha. GS3 wins hands down still.
Unfortunately, I’m team broke 😢
Looking for an entry level commercial machine for a small coffee operation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Team Gaggia Cyclops - GCP + PID, Pressure Gauge & Dimmer ==> Wonderful coffee (for me anyway)
I am an owner of Lelit Bianca v3 (in chrome, not that beautiful white color you own there). That's my team.
I have to admit though, that I am looking forward in the future to try saturated group heads, like the ones from La Marzocco GS3 and the Rocket R9 One.
Should I try and replace my IMS basket with one from Wafo, that you showed us ? I am only using double spout, so not worried at all about channeling - causing a mess
wow it seems like the Bianca is much more expensive state side, I just got my V3 for less than US$2,500
Hi 👋 which temperature was used in each machine? If the set temp was the same on the PID Bianca will be 4/7c off that temp at group head vs the GS3 that might be at the set temp.
Did you noticed any temperature difference in the cup?
Thanks!
Why didnt add in manual-flair 58 in the to complete the comparison with manual profiling in the mix..
GS 3 no question.
After to many half way tryouts (Silva, Rancilio class 5, la Cimbali 21 junior) I spent the required ridiculous some and it is ridiculously good.
Just bought a Bianca for $2400. That’s 3 Bianca’s for one GS3!
hate the wood; reminds me of ikea.
I think the Bianca is let down by the E61 grouphead. It may have good intrashot temperature stability but E61 machines are notorious for terrible intershot temperature management which may be contributing to the difference in results.
I´m team picopresso at the moment! 😀...but I fancy the Lelit Bianca....
What is the black funnel you are using for the 58mm PF? I have tried a few and am not happy with them… they are either inside of the basket, or too far away from the basket (outside ring) which makes a mess when adding ground coffee. The one you use looks to have a smooth transition to the IMS basket..
Thanks for the great video! You made me wanna upgrade my MaraX to Bianca (in white) 🤪
In my part of the world , Bianca is much cheaper, basically at a fraction of GS3 cost. If I ever upgrade, GS3 or slayer it would be. And will then bother having it plumped in and use some water solution, which I believe will drastically improve the shot quality.
Thanks for this video :) I am here because of the itch. I don’t own any of these currently; but there’s a itch further more after watching this since the price point and style of pulling the shots with pre infusion is so impressively versatile. I like to ask if There’s gona be a video or is there 1 already for a slayer vs the GS3 comparison. Nvm the price point since it’s already beyond reasoning 😂