Thanks for the video! Extremely informative. As far as water goes, I've been using a place near my house that sells water by the gallon and they have filtered, oxigenated and alkaline. I found the alkaline water had great performance with my machine and zero to no buildup in the tank. It costs me about $10 for 5 gallons and I just take 3 5 gallon tanks every couple weeks or so and save all that plastic coing into the trash while drinking great espressos. Just a note to add it as another option!
As a Decent owner I would of course love more related content, and I believe it would be a good call to get one if the channel focuses on comparison and tests. But then this is not Decent channel (or propaganda) and I think it's the diversity of independent reviews that brought us here.
Thanks for your review. I have had my Linea Mini for just over a year. I love it! Best lattes ever and it happens everyday. One item I was surprised that needed to be replaced so quickly for home environment is the vacuum breaker. I pull espressos 2.3X per day since I’ve gotten the system and use a 3-stage water filtration system (passes LM hardness test). I’ve had the gurgling/hissing sound and water pooling under the system for 3-4 months now. When I messaged LM, the technician said it was normal for this to wear out every 6-18 months. You didn’t mention this in your cost of ownership (in fact, it wasn’t mentioned at all). Do you have any comments? Thanks again!
Depends on your water. It's a wear item and once they scale up they fail to seat correctly. I need to replace mine every year for this same reason. Personally, I wouldn't put that on LM.
@@ruvimg I just looked it up, looks like the part is $110. That's pricey compared to what you'd pay for a typical one ~$25. Takes about 20 min to replace on my Rocket Giotto, don't know how tricky it is on a LMLM to access.
Was hesitant to watch this coz itll make my WANT meter for an LMLM more Haha but always great inputs and reviews from spro. With how technically incline your content are and with better explanation than anyone else out there, a decent machine as your next will be very good for your content. Looking forward. ☕️
Fantastic video as always. I'd love to have enough money to get a LMLM, but the parts and repairs puts me off especially living in Japan where it's much more expensive and rarer to find people who can help me with that.
Most people who watch your stuff probably can't even afford the decent. You could get a super nice machine that can do more modern espresso really well that a lot of people don't get to use or see, or you could get a used gaggia classic and do $500 dollars of mods and do videos on that process. The decent would also be really cool.
Another water option is an undersink reverse osmosis filter ($200 up front with $40 a year for carbon filter media and $55 every three years for the RO membrane). You could fill a glass gallon jug with the water (with a TDS of 5 to 15ppm) and add a Third Wave packet or GC Water solution to that jug. Same level of work as distilled water from the store, without the plastic waste.
I find this so confusing. 7 years later my gaggia classic's pump died, and cost like $30 to replace. That and 1 group head gasket were the only wear and tear parts it needed. How can this machine, which ought to be expertly engineered and using only the best materials, need so much maintenance in a home use environment?
Fully agree. My Sunbeam, a basic "appliance" grade machine under $250 has never once had any service or repair in 5 years. No seals or parts replaced, it still runs like new.
QuickMill Silvano, nice little machine lasted 10 years without issues before I re-sold it. I don't think I ever changed the group gasket, it worked fine!
I would assume that this machine would get more work than in a home environment, as it’s used for experimenting and content creation. Also I think Spro would change things more often as it’s a business and as a preventative measure and ensure quality of production is optimum. Also it will depend if the machine is left on for extended hours or 24 hours. The constant heat will wear out group seals quicker.
For home setting, I think we tend to under-maintain the machine, given in most cases the resale value of home grade machines is not much anyway. But a working machine doesn't equate to a well-maintained machine. For a machine like this, a well-maintained one is likely to command a very decent resale value and will be appreciated in the case of planning for an upgrade down the road.
I have seen your other videos and you mentioned that you are separating yourself from La Marzocco due to the DeLonghi group purchase among other things. With that said, do you think you'll ever have a Leva X or a Strada X on your bench for testing/reviewing?
Thanks for great content! I run a GS/3 at home. I'm not a plutocrat, I'm an airline pilot who helped out a friend who got hammered in divorce court by buying his GS/3 for pennies on the dollar. I've found my operating costs lower than those described in the video but my machine doesn't work nearly as hard. Marzocco parts are not unreasonably expensive but labor costs are, frankly, obscene. The A&Ps who maintain jet engines make less money than the guy who replaced my pressure relief valve a few weeks ago. Would I have bought my machine for the retail price? Hell no. The diminishing returns curve is way too steep for that. In my view, someone who drops >$7K for a machine to use strictly at home is not buying espresso excellence, they are buying bragging rights.
Someone had to say it lol. Although... Yeah no I'd still guess Decent. My brain went to Londinium L24, but this is YT and my man is trying to "content create" as he stated, as well as experiment, and keep up with coffee trends... Decent is likely the only logical choice to fulfill all these requirements.
The cost of ownership for my Flair classic is $0. I have good soft tap water and no parts have worn out yet since 2017. I added a pressure gauge for $50. For your water costs, you can buy the salts (homebrew shop) you need for distilled water very cheap. I have a $100 water distiller that comes out to about 25 cents/gallon in energy costs.
2017 Rancilio Silvia, one portafilter gasket is all i have needed to exchange. I do have some corrosion behind the drip tray though. 😒 Also only using tap water, which are very good here in Sweden. Mods are a electronic thermostat, for better temp stability, added in 2018, naked VST portafilter, and IMS shower screen.
I have a LMLM which I've recently modified for preinfusion when the paddle is in the middle position (using a needle valve). Gicleur changed for a lower water debit, pressure dropped to 7 bar (personal preference). This basically turns this machine into a Slayer. Did you think of doing this to your machine also? I think it opens up a lot of posibillities. I'm now pretty much able to extract ultra light brew roasts in espresso.
I’ve definitely seen and considered going this route, but what tends to run through my head is what happened when I modified a car. Was it faster, yes, better, maybe, but less reliable and comfortable to use on a daily basis, absolutely. So I’ve kept the modifications within the range of LM recommendations, same with my current car and neither has let me down yet (knock on wood). So I would rather consider a machine with these capabilities out of the box, as the builder and manufacturer intended. That said I’ve had great luck with light roasts on the mini, but attribute a lot of that success to proper grinders.
@@Sprometheus would you consider a grinder upgrade alongside a new machine? It may widen your audience and not marginalize your base to maybe keep the Niche, and run it alonside a Titan class big flat grinder. Extra work, sure, but nobody else is "that guy" really doing stuff like that.
@@Sprometheus That's a valid point, and I partly agree with it. However the Linea Mini is very simple and sturdy on the inside and this mod is a relatively minor addition in the hydraulic circuit (that's completely reversible). Nothing complex and electronic, I doubt there's much that can go wrong with it. I agree the Linea Mini does great with light roasts if paired with a good grinder, I had no issues either (I'm using a bentwood vertical 63). But with the added "slayer-like" preinfusion it's on a different level, you can make great shots by using even filter roasts. Obviously, if this is not your "cup of tea" then there's no point in upgrading it, it does great as standard.
Have you given clues about what new platform your leaning towards to? I love my Mini. I think for my wife and I this is enough machine. I hope mine is as reliable as yours as long as PM is done. Looking forward to your new espresso ☕️ machine. Your very clear when you explain things. Good luck 🍀 this 2022.
It takes some work, but you can also check your local water report (released publicly every year in the US) to check your average hardness. Then just dilute w/distilled to get to an appropriate hardness. Where I live, I use ~250ml tap to 750 distilled, but we have really hard water.
The Decent is a great teaching tool, so I think that would be very interesting even if I’ll probably end up buying a Solis Perfetta and Uniterra Nomad.
I usually don't comment on videos but this update requires my 2 cents. Many thanks for direct and to the point about your Linea Mini experience and the surrounding costs / challenges with owning any equipment. I have been dragging my feet with a GS3 MP because of the potential (unpredictable maintenance/repairs costs and downtime). The 8 to 10 week wait upon placing the order doesn't help especially in a world of instant gratification. GREAT REVIEW!
Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to comment and the kind words. I do my best to be straightforward and to the point about my experiences with all things I review and talk about and I’m glad it comes across that way to viewer too! That said the GS3 MP is a solid machine and on my short list for an upgrade, but I do expect the costs of ownership to be higher, but not sure how much.
What is important about the minerals you feed back after you have filtered and cleansed them out , especially as I doubt you actually know what amount of what minerals you are adding/ removing.
Great video. Thanks. Especially the cost of ownership. I had the dream of same time I would buy a mini or gs3, not anymore. At least for me, for my pocket, at this time, I am will choose a flair or similar. Wich has a cost of ownership close to zero.
Hard no on that one shot. OMG. But I just did my first milk based drink party on my Gaggia Classic Pro. OMG. I need a much bigger pitcher and waiting for boiler to cool is really not good. I have new appreciation for baristas
I'd be really excited for you to get a decent. Had mine for nearly a year with no issues but definitely could do with more decent content as I end up using the same profiles again and again.
Slayer Single Group. It’s possibly the only machine that’s sexier than the LMLM. Looking forward to seeing your videos with whatever way you decide to go
Finally got my Mini a couple of months ago. Right out of the box, the quality of the espresso and the milk were higher than from my Livia 90 heat exchanger. The pulls are much more consistent and the milk is night and day better. With family visiting during the holidays, I never out-paced the boiler. I’m a home barista, not a mad scientist, so I have zero regret about choosing it over a GS3 or a Decent. I hate wasting coffee, so I just make an educated guess on recipes, drink and serve. Based on the results, I’ll make small adjustments to the recipe and enjoy the results. The Niche and Mini are really consistent, so these adjustments area a fairly linear (ha!) path, compared to the guesswork with my previous machine. My initial challenge was steaming with so much power. I was doing the “halfway back and a quarter to the side” thing, but after adding air, the milk would want to spill over. Pointing more at the side caused the milk to spin faster, and the centrifugal force would whirlpool the sides too high. Point down, and the milk would roll high and get out of control. Turns out, I was tilting the top of the pitcher towards the machine. By pushing the bottom of the pitcher to be vertical or even to lean back fixed the problem. Still, in the supplied pitcher, I need to use just the right amount of liquid. I weight my oat milk now. Anyway, great machine. Looking forward to seeing what pops up in the Spro lab next. It will be cool to see comparisons between the wild shots and reference shots from the Mini.
@@daveblane6442 - It might not be new, high end, or trendy. But I pulled many enjoyable shots from it for many years. I gave it to my oldest son, and it’s still going strong! I had bought it used 12 years ago and it’s had daily use over that whole time. A solid machine with an older design and limited features, but very reliable, though I did have to replace the pressurestat a few times.
Instead of changing the machine, have you thought about putting an “endgame“ grinder next to your LMLM to examine different styles of Espresso? Thinking about one of the hyper aligned big flats like Titus Nautilus, Monolith, .. Maybe in combination with a needle walve mod like @Sorin wrote before there might be a lot more to come.
What would you recommend for a coffee shop. I am considering used Kees van der western or marzocco? Maybe something else. It would be so useful to know your opinion. Thanks
How about trying out all pressure/flow profiling machines like GS3, R9 One, Eagle One(?), VBM Domobar Digital, Crem One, etc and share thr decision making process?
This would be a dream to be able to do this! I have some connects to get maybe one or two of these machines on a short term basis, but likely not all of them. I need those James Hoffmann numbers to get that done!
So dumb question… why would you re-mineralize RO water if your gonna put it in a machine that will cause it to build scale with the minerals? Wouldn’t you want “pure” water? RO water would give the coffee it’s true-ist flavor in theory? But again, I’m asking this question.
thinking of making a linea micra purchase with one of mazzer grinders. If i was a very avg user of 3-4 shots a day, should I really be concerned with cost of ownership?
@@zachwarner7164 with a Micra I don’t think so. The only reason someone would need a mini now with the Micra on the market would be to do pop ups or light commercial work with it.
How long have you had this machine for? I had a Quickmill Silvano for 10 years, I never even had to change the group gasket. (Mostly used for Just 1-2 shots a day, sometimes 4-5 if my gf was over, always turned off when not in use, and didn't over tighten the portafilter which I think helped). Worked fine for 10 years and then re-sold it about 2 years ago when I upgraded to a Rocket E61 HX machine which maybe wasn't really an upgrade (sold that 8 months later when I upgraded to the ECM Dual Boiler Synchronika, much better). Hopefully the Quickmill is still running well!
My two cents for your next investment in machines: DE1XL for bleeding edge experimentations, and a Rocket for a more approachable (read cheaper) and relatable (analog) espresso process.
My eyes start to glaze over during these discussions of water. I've been using an Aquagear water filter pitcher for my Bezzera BZ13. (I also regularly put a special BWT pad into the water tank, to prevent calcium and scale builduup. I was advised to use the pad by Pasquini.). I'm wondering if a water filter pitcher would be adequate for the Mini. And if they recommend a similar type of pad for the water tank.
Thanks for the video and happy new year! Hope it’s a better one all round. ☮️ Love the coffee content. ☕️ ♥️ On the list would have to be Decent Espresso machine or something like Rocket R NINE ONE. But to be honest I’d be very interested to flip things on their head and see how you went with a three month trial using a Breville Dual Boiler machine stock (or self mod of adjusted hot water dial as shot flow control). Aesthetics aside the BDB has many more features than significantly more expensive machines. When I last checked mods to the LM LM to achieve similar features cost $1.5k to $2k. I loved my Mini when I had one (and you could run a business off a pair of minis) but aside from the commercial steam pressure which I occasionally think of fondly I don’t really miss the mini that much. Sorry about the sacrilege everyone. Please forgive me. ✌️ 🙏
I am not sure how much value you put on the machine aesthetics but for something that has such a prominent place at your bar/home, I would (am) consider that quite a bit. There are newer machines like Eagle One Prima, Sanremo You and Cube and Slayer that are wonderfully designed. Not just an industrial brick like my Profitec, or ECM or Lelit etc. It's debatable how much of an upgrade each of them would be versus Linea Mini. Which has nice look if maybe more industrial than I prefer.
Great thing about living in a super soft water area, i don't tear through parts, i don't have to buy special filter kits, new jets, or otherwise. I've owned a Dual boiler E61 based system for about 6 years now. Apart from Gaskets and a new shower screen, it's not had a penny spent on it. Works faultlessly and always has.
This is good content. I got a used LMLM dropping in my doorstep to see what it is all about vs the BDB I currently own. It is going to be interesting to use it as my daily driver for the short term.
I would love to hear more and get your feedback on this. I have a BDB now and I’m considering the Linea Mini. What’s the difference as far as how the coffee looks and tastes and milk quality?
@@TheCoffeeField there are a few things that I like: cool touch wand, IoT capabilities, quietness, and steam power, large drip tray. It is narrower than the BDB but much deeper. The things I like the BDB more are: cup warmer is hotter, startup time is faster, not as deep, shot timer, shot buttons, backflush and descale programs, low water warning, reservoir window, reservoir refill without taking off drip tray, temp setting, steam temp setting, shot counter, pressure gauge at up top. I wouldn’t consider a LMLM an upgrade generally except in build quality. I think functionality wise, the BDB is a more capable machine. The only machine I would consider trading it for would be a lever or Decent.
@@TheCoffeeField There isn't a noticeable difference in the cup as grind sizes on the same coffee don't differ very much and pulling the same parameters is relatively easy. Milk steaming is generally the same albeit the LMLM is done 3 times as fast. I find that i can make good milk with both.
What about la marzocco leva one group, i think its a very under stated machine. it would be a super interesting topic. Since flow profiling machines, lever machines became a little forgotten and left behind. In mine opinion they have a lot to offer.
Hi, thanks for a great video. Just wondering what the white ceramic (handleless) coffee cup you used in the “turbo shot” video 3 months ago, looks very cool
Cost of Ownership - a bit weird to include water (isnt it roughly the same for every espresso machine?) but not electricity - a machine of that size surely is quite hungry, no? would have been interesting to know what it adds to your power bill.
And most important how much per one Espresso from your coffee machine ? How many "coffee" you can drink from coffee shop as Starbucks for all this expenses? Sorry for shit on the fan.
From cold to ready to pull shots is about 10 min, another 3-5 for steam to be up to pressure. You can set a timer or turn it on with your phone when you wake up so it’s ready by the time you’re up.
Why would you say is the Mazzocca better than the other prosumer machines in a 1500-3000 range? Just trying to understand why someone would pay $5500 versus 3000 even for a good quality mid range espresso machine
You can do it, but it requires a pretty intense upgrade that I wasn’t willing to go through. So out of the box all you can get is pre-brewing, which is a full pressure kind of pre-infusion
@@Sprometheus Actually I saw a video which had a completely slayer like pressure profiling without any mods or anything so that’s why I thought to ask you
@@yajurgambhir8109 if they said it had no mods it’s not true. The machine isn’t designed to do any sort of pressure profiling, it would completely negate the reason why anyone would buy a GS3. LM would lose money on that since the GS3 more expensive.
I’ve owned a 1 Gr Orchestrale Nota machine for over 8 years now and the only thing which has failed thus far is a small $5 rubber O - Ring on the water tank. Only ever use tap water make about 2 coffees daily with this machine. Food for thought about reliability
Hi there. Thanks for your video. May I just ask a simple but silly question? Since I haven’t got enough space for the linea mini and a proper grinder, do you think if I have the linea mini and a C40 combination would do the job fine in terms of coffee quality and stability. Considering my daily consumption is 1-2 cups. Much thanks.
Even though your LMLM machine is fairly high-end for the home user, the way it functions (and your content) is still relatable to most home espresso machine users. If you upgrade to a machine such as the Decent or Slayer, etc. which do 'things' in a way most other espresso machines cannot, it seems as if most of your viewers are shut out of participation (i.e. their machines simply cannot 'do that' thing). If you were to get and experiment with a Decent, for example, only those who own a Decent will benefit (unless the goal is to sell a few Decent machines). People are amazed by how much a LMLM costs these days (and it sticks to basic espresso stuff regardless of some bells and whistles, so your observations derived from it still apply to most home machines) but some of the machines people are suggesting you upgrade to are even far more expensive and niche. Particularly, imo, the Decent; as remarkable as it is, it is designed for endless tinkering, not making efficient, repeatable, delicious espresso. Know this is probably not any help, but just offering a 'perhaps useful' perspective. Good episode, by the way. Much appreciated.
Most people find a profile they like and stick with it, it CAN be used for simple efficient repeatable delicious espresso as you said, although I would feel like you're missing out without using it to experiment and get different results with the same coffee! If you use one profile you don't even need to use the tablet.
Would love to see a showdown of “grail” or “endgame” machines (3 to 6k range) like the Decent, Eagle One, LMLM, Pro700/ECM, bianca, verve, R60, etc. Buying them all would be prohibitively expensive, but maybe a mix of companies, shops, and fellow content creators would lend them to you for the purposes of such a video! Would be a nice opportunity for you to also review them individually and bang out like 4 to 7 videos in quick succession, which would allow for a very well deserved vacation afterwards ;)
Feel like the Decent has the most potential for exploration, but it’s also so niche (yeah yeah) and I’d be concerned you’d end up being a long term advertisement for Decent as opposed to the independent content creator you are today. In some respects, the LMLM allowed you to be independent because it has so few options/variables that you could avoid constantly talking about it. Maybe a spring lever machine would work well for keep the variables low while adding a different element to your content. I’ve been curious to learn more about the Londinium. Also think the new Spring Lever Cremina is nice but wouldn’t use it on your channel since it’s not a 58mm PF and you do so many videos that require a standard PF basket. Anyway, I’m excited to see what you end up deciding!
I get you, this is a good point. But some would argue that I was just a long term ad for LM. Regardless of the machine that inevitably will be the centerpiece of all my espresso focused content, it’s important to me that I keep the content approachable by those working on a variety of machines. To be honest, I think I’m actually in the minority in that respect and have a machine that can’t do what many other folks are doing both on and off the espresso mainstream. In my mind it’s basically just catching up to the times.
I have a Flair 58 and I'm not sure how much better I can get. Im producing espressos as good as the baristas that also sell me my beans. And the workflow is really easy.
Certainly been very happy with my own GS/3-AV, for me a better option than the GS/3-MP (or a LMLM). Any of these machines will produce great espresso reliably.
@@Sprometheus I am considering the Decent machine and love to geek out over coffee in general. It’s why I like your channel, you do a great job digging into how coffee works. This machine, I believe, would help bring you to the next level of coffee geekery. Also, there are not a ton of coffee RUclipsrs digging deeper using this machine. Would love to see what you come up with!
why is this machine $5-9000. when the other great top of the line machines are 2000-4500... what is that extra $2-4500 for??? Boiler is a boiler, pump is a pump, its a timed pump water affair creating pressure so its not like its a radical technology, hot water plumbing. I am just curious is it the styling or all the parts are custom made from the ground up? Is this the Gucci of espresso machines?
This macine is hand made in italy, with premium materials. This machine is specially café quality. It will last a lifetime. Cheeper machines like top-of-the-line breville machines have all the bells and whistles, but are not built to last. Not to mention that all breville machines have very low powered steem wands. Breville machines are also really hard to fix so once they break thats it. On the other hand La Marzocco machines can be easily repaired. On paper this machine is over priced but one you facter in super great customer service, easy repairs, super customizable (via the app) and really good build quality, its worth it. This is the Gucci of espresso machines but a Gucci that doesn't ever need replacing.
The only real upgrades would be a Slayer, GS3 MP, Speedster, or a Hydra. A Decent in it's current form would be a waste imho. Same for the eagle one since it's basically just a LMLM+. I'd recommend you just Slayer mod your machine since the warranty is over.
How would the Decent be a waste? The GS3 would literally be a waste of water, considering how it's needle valve works. The Slayer is pushing 3x the cost of the Decent for fewer features.
Love to see you get he GS3 or the Eagle One and sit it next to the LMLM together for coffee content comparison. Please don’t go too deep and make coffee too complicated and less fun with the Decent.
I would love more Eagle One Prima content on YT. Talked myself out of buying one last year. Got a Decent instead. The Decent is as complicated and “not fun” as you make it. You can use it like a LMLM, but then what’s the point?
Decent is complicated ? I use it daily for more than a year. Never have any problem with hardware or software. Pick your favorite profile and off you go. What I like about Decent is temp stability and how precise it is to stop at set weight
@@Lnguyen217 I can tell you are at another level and though you may not be playing with profiles as much, Im sure you understand the fundamentals lying behind it. Im also certain you know that knowledge is quite beyond what regular folks need to know for their daily cup of coffee. This channel has been fun and educational reaching out to coffee enthusiasts at all levels… The LMLM is kinda perfect for that purpose but the Decent would probably lead the content to another scientific level which would then leave out the interest from beginners like me. I mean hard core info is great but maybe it belongs in a specific community like the Decent forum on Reddit. My point is, this channel has been doing so great helping beginners and I’d love for him to keep creating content thats friendly to a wide range of audience. Good coffee vids are pretty abundant, but creators that makes the topic fun, informative and friendly like this channel, as you know is quite rare.
It's interesting how things are subjective. You spend more in a year on the Mini maintenance then I spend on my Gaggia Classic... AND MY CAR COMBINED! :))) Oh well.
Great look, Sprometheus! Looking forward to seeing what's next.
Thanks for the video! Extremely informative. As far as water goes, I've been using a place near my house that sells water by the gallon and they have filtered, oxigenated and alkaline. I found the alkaline water had great performance with my machine and zero to no buildup in the tank. It costs me about $10 for 5 gallons and I just take 3 5 gallon tanks every couple weeks or so and save all that plastic coing into the trash while drinking great espressos. Just a note to add it as another option!
Love your content!! Been here since the beginning! You are truly an inspiration to us all ❤️ I cannot thank you enough for all that you do!
Thank you Dylan! I appreciate the kind worlds and all the love my friend! Happy New Year!
@@Sprometheus Happy New Year!! You deserve all the continued success coming your way!
As a Decent owner I would of course love more related content, and I believe it would be a good call to get one if the channel focuses on comparison and tests. But then this is not Decent channel (or propaganda) and I think it's the diversity of independent reviews that brought us here.
The Decent is in the running for sure. Are there Decent propaganda channels? Haha
Thanks for your review. I have had my Linea Mini for just over a year. I love it! Best lattes ever and it happens everyday. One item I was surprised that needed to be replaced so quickly for home environment is the vacuum breaker. I pull espressos 2.3X per day since I’ve gotten the system and use a 3-stage water filtration system (passes LM hardness test). I’ve had the gurgling/hissing sound and water pooling under the system for 3-4 months now. When I messaged LM, the technician said it was normal for this to wear out every 6-18 months. You didn’t mention this in your cost of ownership (in fact, it wasn’t mentioned at all). Do you have any comments? Thanks again!
Agree. Surprised not to see Spro replacing the vacuum breaker. Had mine just over a year and had the same issue.
Depends on your water. It's a wear item and once they scale up they fail to seat correctly. I need to replace mine every year for this same reason. Personally, I wouldn't put that on LM.
He did mention that
@@JusBThankful how much does it cost to replace that?
@@ruvimg I just looked it up, looks like the part is $110. That's pricey compared to what you'd pay for a typical one ~$25. Takes about 20 min to replace on my Rocket Giotto, don't know how tricky it is on a LMLM to access.
Was hesitant to watch this coz itll make my WANT meter for an LMLM more Haha but always great inputs and reviews from spro. With how technically incline your content are and with better explanation than anyone else out there, a decent machine as your next will be very good for your content.
Looking forward. ☕️
Fantastic video as always. I'd love to have enough money to get a LMLM, but the parts and repairs puts me off especially living in Japan where it's much more expensive and rarer to find people who can help me with that.
Literally early this week I thought,” I’d love to hear Sprometheus talk about the Linea Mini again”. 😂
Hello from Scotland! Thank you for making great videos. Here's to 2022 🥂
Most people who watch your stuff probably can't even afford the decent. You could get a super nice machine that can do more modern espresso really well that a lot of people don't get to use or see, or you could get a used gaggia classic and do $500 dollars of mods and do videos on that process. The decent would also be really cool.
True. I got a Lelit Anna and it’s really fun to dial in Espresso etc
Another water option is an undersink reverse osmosis filter ($200 up front with $40 a year for carbon filter media and $55 every three years for the RO membrane). You could fill a glass gallon jug with the water (with a TDS of 5 to 15ppm) and add a Third Wave packet or GC Water solution to that jug. Same level of work as distilled water from the store, without the plastic waste.
I find this so confusing. 7 years later my gaggia classic's pump died, and cost like $30 to replace. That and 1 group head gasket were the only wear and tear parts it needed. How can this machine, which ought to be expertly engineered and using only the best materials, need so much maintenance in a home use environment?
Fully agree.
My Sunbeam, a basic "appliance" grade machine under $250 has never once had any service or repair in 5 years. No seals or parts replaced, it still runs like new.
I know right. The only thing I want for with my Gaggia Classic is a bit more steam power.
QuickMill Silvano, nice little machine lasted 10 years without issues before I re-sold it. I don't think I ever changed the group gasket, it worked fine!
I would assume that this machine would get more work than in a home environment, as it’s used for experimenting and content creation.
Also I think Spro would change things more often as it’s a business and as a preventative measure and ensure quality of production is optimum.
Also it will depend if the machine is left on for extended hours or 24 hours. The constant heat will wear out group seals quicker.
For home setting, I think we tend to under-maintain the machine, given in most cases the resale value of home grade machines is not much anyway. But a working machine doesn't equate to a well-maintained machine. For a machine like this, a well-maintained one is likely to command a very decent resale value and will be appreciated in the case of planning for an upgrade down the road.
I have seen your other videos and you mentioned that you are separating yourself from La Marzocco due to the DeLonghi group purchase among other things. With that said, do you think you'll ever have a Leva X or a Strada X on your bench for testing/reviewing?
Thank you.
Happy New Year.
Cheers! Same to you my friend!
Thanks for great content! I run a GS/3 at home. I'm not a plutocrat, I'm an airline pilot who helped out a friend who got hammered in divorce court by buying his GS/3 for pennies on the dollar. I've found my operating costs lower than those described in the video but my machine doesn't work nearly as hard. Marzocco parts are not unreasonably expensive but labor costs are, frankly, obscene. The A&Ps who maintain jet engines make less money than the guy who replaced my pressure relief valve a few weeks ago.
Would I have bought my machine for the retail price? Hell no. The diminishing returns curve is way too steep for that. In my view, someone who drops >$7K for a machine to use strictly at home is not buying espresso excellence, they are buying bragging rights.
Looking forward to some Decent content this year.
🤔🤫
I see what you’ve done there
Start talking charts and numbers will Descent me to sleep … Coffee should be easy and fun
100% my thoughts exactly at the end 😂
Someone had to say it lol. Although... Yeah no I'd still guess Decent. My brain went to Londinium L24, but this is YT and my man is trying to "content create" as he stated, as well as experiment, and keep up with coffee trends... Decent is likely the only logical choice to fulfill all these requirements.
Happy new year spro. Look forward to the new machine.
Cheers! Here’s to a 2022 full of tasty coffee!
The cost of ownership for my Flair classic is $0. I have good soft tap water and no parts have worn out yet since 2017. I added a pressure gauge for $50. For your water costs, you can buy the salts (homebrew shop) you need for distilled water very cheap. I have a $100 water distiller that comes out to about 25 cents/gallon in energy costs.
Haha why you gotta flex on me like that Jamie!?!
@@Sprometheus It's driven from envy, I wish I had a $5k machine lol.
I have the Flair as well, but I upgraded to the Flair 58 and Im making the best espressos of my life.
2017 Rancilio Silvia, one portafilter gasket is all i have needed to exchange.
I do have some corrosion behind the drip tray though. 😒
Also only using tap water, which are very good here in Sweden.
Mods are a electronic thermostat, for better temp stability, added in 2018, naked VST portafilter, and IMS shower screen.
@@Assenayo the ting about the Flair is you still need a unit to steam the milk. What do you use for that?
I have a LMLM which I've recently modified for preinfusion when the paddle is in the middle position (using a needle valve). Gicleur changed for a lower water debit, pressure dropped to 7 bar (personal preference). This basically turns this machine into a Slayer. Did you think of doing this to your machine also? I think it opens up a lot of posibillities. I'm now pretty much able to extract ultra light brew roasts in espresso.
I for 1 would be interested in reading the Sprometeus replying to Sorin's question.
I’ve definitely seen and considered going this route, but what tends to run through my head is what happened when I modified a car.
Was it faster, yes, better, maybe, but less reliable and comfortable to use on a daily basis, absolutely.
So I’ve kept the modifications within the range of LM recommendations, same with my current car and neither has let me down yet (knock on wood).
So I would rather consider a machine with these capabilities out of the box, as the builder and manufacturer intended.
That said I’ve had great luck with light roasts on the mini, but attribute a lot of that success to proper grinders.
@@Sprometheus would you consider a grinder upgrade alongside a new machine? It may widen your audience and not marginalize your base to maybe keep the Niche, and run it alonside a Titan class big flat grinder. Extra work, sure, but nobody else is "that guy" really doing stuff like that.
@@Sprometheus That's a valid point, and I partly agree with it. However the Linea Mini is very simple and sturdy on the inside and this mod is a relatively minor addition in the hydraulic circuit (that's completely reversible). Nothing complex and electronic, I doubt there's much that can go wrong with it.
I agree the Linea Mini does great with light roasts if paired with a good grinder, I had no issues either (I'm using a bentwood vertical 63). But with the added "slayer-like" preinfusion it's on a different level, you can make great shots by using even filter roasts. Obviously, if this is not your "cup of tea" then there's no point in upgrading it, it does great as standard.
Have you given clues about what new platform your leaning towards to? I love my Mini. I think for my wife and I this is enough machine. I hope mine is as reliable as yours as long as PM is done.
Looking forward to your new espresso ☕️ machine. Your very clear when you explain things. Good luck 🍀 this 2022.
You should check out the upcoming Sanremo ‘You’ machine. I’m eyeing it as a potential next machine once there’s more info.
I like the look more of the Linea Mini but the Lelit Bianca just seems better overall with the flow profile option
It takes some work, but you can also check your local water report (released publicly every year in the US) to check your average hardness. Then just dilute w/distilled to get to an appropriate hardness. Where I live, I use ~250ml tap to 750 distilled, but we have really hard water.
The Decent is a great teaching tool, so I think that would be very interesting even if I’ll probably end up buying a Solis Perfetta and Uniterra Nomad.
I got a Bianca instead of the LMLM. I really love the flow profiler. Wish the LMLM did that. The GS3 is so dang pricey.
Confirmed, he's getting a Decent! Haha. You'd really take content to the next level with a DE1.
thanxs so much, for a native spanish speaker it has been also an english listening class, you speak clear but fast hehe ... thanxs for the video
I usually don't comment on videos but this update requires my 2 cents. Many thanks for direct and to the point about your Linea Mini experience and the surrounding costs / challenges with owning any equipment. I have been dragging my feet with a GS3 MP because of the potential (unpredictable maintenance/repairs costs and downtime). The 8 to 10 week wait upon placing the order doesn't help especially in a world of instant gratification. GREAT REVIEW!
Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to comment and the kind words. I do my best to be straightforward and to the point about my experiences with all things I review and talk about and I’m glad it comes across that way to viewer too!
That said the GS3 MP is a solid machine and on my short list for an upgrade, but I do expect the costs of ownership to be higher, but not sure how much.
Have a nice 2022 year as well. 😊
What is important about the minerals you feed back after you have filtered and cleansed them out , especially as I doubt you actually know what amount of what minerals you are adding/ removing.
Happy New Year, Man
Great video. Thanks. Especially the cost of ownership. I had the dream of same time I would buy a mini or gs3, not anymore. At least for me, for my pocket, at this time, I am will choose a flair or similar. Wich has a cost of ownership close to zero.
Love these updates
Thanks Manuel, I appreciate that!
I got an RODI system and TDS meter for my fish tank and also use the RODI water for my espresso machine. Years later, still zero scale.
I love you. Keep providing amazing videos
Thank you my friend! I appreciate the support!
Curious to see what the next machine is! By the way, there's lots of great RO water systems out there for a lot less than $2000.
I would think the decent makes the most sense for your content of running tests, but I guess we shall see!
I’m hoping to have made up my mind soon, stay tuned!
Hard no on that one shot. OMG. But I just did my first milk based drink party on my Gaggia Classic Pro. OMG. I need a much bigger pitcher and waiting for boiler to cool is really not good. I have new appreciation for baristas
Happy rear engine, rear wheel drive New Year from Croatia, my dude!
I'd be really excited for you to get a decent. Had mine for nearly a year with no issues but definitely could do with more decent content as I end up using the same profiles again and again.
Slayer Single Group. It’s possibly the only machine that’s sexier than the LMLM. Looking forward to seeing your videos with whatever way you decide to go
Finally got my Mini a couple of months ago. Right out of the box, the quality of the espresso and the milk were higher than from my Livia 90 heat exchanger. The pulls are much more consistent and the milk is night and day better. With family visiting during the holidays, I never out-paced the boiler. I’m a home barista, not a mad scientist, so I have zero regret about choosing it over a GS3 or a Decent. I hate wasting coffee, so I just make an educated guess on recipes, drink and serve. Based on the results, I’ll make small adjustments to the recipe and enjoy the results. The Niche and Mini are really consistent, so these adjustments area a fairly linear (ha!) path, compared to the guesswork with my previous machine.
My initial challenge was steaming with so much power. I was doing the “halfway back and a quarter to the side” thing, but after adding air, the milk would want to spill over. Pointing more at the side caused the milk to spin faster, and the centrifugal force would whirlpool the sides too high. Point down, and the milk would roll high and get out of control. Turns out, I was tilting the top of the pitcher towards the machine. By pushing the bottom of the pitcher to be vertical or even to lean back fixed the problem. Still, in the supplied pitcher, I need to use just the right amount of liquid. I weight my oat milk now.
Anyway, great machine. Looking forward to seeing what pops up in the Spro lab next. It will be cool to see comparisons between the wild shots and reference shots from the Mini.
livia 90?? hahahahah
@@daveblane6442 - It might not be new, high end, or trendy. But I pulled many enjoyable shots from it for many years. I gave it to my oldest son, and it’s still going strong! I had bought it used 12 years ago and it’s had daily use over that whole time. A solid machine with an older design and limited features, but very reliable, though I did have to replace the pressurestat a few times.
Instead of changing the machine, have you thought about putting an “endgame“ grinder next to your LMLM to examine different styles of Espresso? Thinking about one of the hyper aligned big flats like Titus Nautilus, Monolith, ..
Maybe in combination with a needle walve mod like @Sorin wrote before there might be a lot more to come.
I do have what I would consider my endgame grinder on the way…
@@Sprometheus well deserved, lokin forward to its arrival!
What would you recommend for a coffee shop. I am considering used Kees van der western or marzocco? Maybe something else. It would be so useful to know your opinion. Thanks
Slayer single group is my vote for your next machine!
I do think it’s the best looking single group out there, hands down.
How about trying out all pressure/flow profiling machines like GS3, R9 One, Eagle One(?), VBM Domobar Digital, Crem One, etc and share thr decision making process?
This would be a dream to be able to do this! I have some connects to get maybe one or two of these machines on a short term basis, but likely not all of them. I need those James Hoffmann numbers to get that done!
So dumb question… why would you re-mineralize RO water if your gonna put it in a machine that will cause it to build scale with the minerals? Wouldn’t you want “pure” water? RO water would give the coffee it’s true-ist flavor in theory? But again, I’m asking this question.
thinking of making a linea micra purchase with one of mazzer grinders. If i was a very avg user of 3-4 shots a day, should I really be concerned with cost of ownership?
@@zachwarner7164 with a Micra I don’t think so. The only reason someone would need a mini now with the Micra on the market would be to do pop ups or light commercial work with it.
How long have you had this machine for?
I had a Quickmill Silvano for 10 years, I never even had to change the group gasket. (Mostly used for Just 1-2 shots a day, sometimes 4-5 if my gf was over, always turned off when not in use, and didn't over tighten the portafilter which I think helped). Worked fine for 10 years and then re-sold it about 2 years ago when I upgraded to a Rocket E61 HX machine which maybe wasn't really an upgrade (sold that 8 months later when I upgraded to the ECM Dual Boiler Synchronika, much better). Hopefully the Quickmill is still running well!
Considering the money I'd go for the Victoria Prima One. Hands down
Me, I'd get a Synchronika PID for half the price and spend the rest on a few different style grinders and a nice travel setup.
My two cents for your next investment in machines: DE1XL for bleeding edge experimentations, and a Rocket for a more approachable (read cheaper) and relatable (analog) espresso process.
My eyes start to glaze over during these discussions of water. I've been using an Aquagear water filter pitcher for my Bezzera BZ13. (I also regularly put a special BWT pad into the water tank, to prevent calcium and scale builduup. I was advised to use the pad by Pasquini.). I'm wondering if a water filter pitcher would be adequate for the Mini. And if they recommend a similar type of pad for the water tank.
Thanks for the video and happy new year! Hope it’s a better one all round. ☮️ Love the coffee content. ☕️ ♥️
On the list would have to be Decent Espresso machine or something like Rocket R NINE ONE.
But to be honest I’d be very interested to flip things on their head and see how you went with a three month trial using a Breville Dual Boiler machine stock (or self mod of adjusted hot water dial as shot flow control).
Aesthetics aside the BDB has many more features than significantly more expensive machines. When I last checked mods to the LM LM to achieve similar features cost $1.5k to $2k.
I loved my Mini when I had one (and you could run a business off a pair of minis) but aside from the commercial steam pressure which I occasionally think of fondly I don’t really miss the mini that much. Sorry about the sacrilege everyone. Please forgive me. ✌️ 🙏
Bdb is unbeatable in value for money imo.
Got a like and a sub because you said "2020 has got a nice ring to it."
I am not sure how much value you put on the machine aesthetics but for something that has such a prominent place at your bar/home, I would (am) consider that quite a bit.
There are newer machines like Eagle One Prima, Sanremo You and Cube and Slayer that are wonderfully designed. Not just an industrial brick like my Profitec, or ECM or Lelit etc. It's debatable how much of an upgrade each of them would be versus Linea Mini. Which has nice look if maybe more industrial than I prefer.
Great thing about living in a super soft water area, i don't tear through parts, i don't have to buy special filter kits, new jets, or otherwise. I've owned a Dual boiler E61 based system for about 6 years now. Apart from Gaskets and a new shower screen, it's not had a penny spent on it. Works faultlessly and always has.
I’d like to see you with the GS3!
Ah man. My heart! There’s only this much nostalgia I can take at once. Someone play me oculus official kame house and give me a minute 😭
Hi there, looking into buying an espresso machine. What would you recommend linea mini or the ecm synchronica?
This is good content. I got a used LMLM dropping in my doorstep to see what it is all about vs the BDB I currently own. It is going to be interesting to use it as my daily driver for the short term.
Thank you my friend! As long as whoever used it before you out good water in it should squared away!
I would love to hear more and get your feedback on this. I have a BDB now and I’m considering the Linea Mini. What’s the difference as far as how the coffee looks and tastes and milk quality?
@@TheCoffeeField there are a few things that I like: cool touch wand, IoT capabilities, quietness, and steam power, large drip tray. It is narrower than the BDB but much deeper. The things I like the BDB more are: cup warmer is hotter, startup time is faster, not as deep, shot timer, shot buttons, backflush and descale programs, low water warning, reservoir window, reservoir refill without taking off drip tray, temp setting, steam temp setting, shot counter, pressure gauge at up top.
I wouldn’t consider a LMLM an upgrade generally except in build quality. I think functionality wise, the BDB is a more capable machine. The only machine I would consider trading it for would be a lever or Decent.
@@ethiopianbuffman thank you! How about coffee and milk steaming and texture? Did you notice a difference there?
@@TheCoffeeField There isn't a noticeable difference in the cup as grind sizes on the same coffee don't differ very much and pulling the same parameters is relatively easy. Milk steaming is generally the same albeit the LMLM is done 3 times as fast. I find that i can make good milk with both.
What about la marzocco leva one group, i think its a very under stated machine. it would be a super interesting topic. Since flow profiling machines, lever machines became a little forgotten and left behind. In mine opinion they have a lot to offer.
Hi, thanks for a great video. Just wondering what the white ceramic (handleless) coffee cup you used in the “turbo shot” video 3 months ago, looks very cool
As much as I like your videos, I hit the like button because of that Step Brothers reference :)
You mentioned your next modern machine. Which machine is that?
I have a GS3 MP and if i had to buy a new machine i would pick either the Slayer or Synesso MVP.
Cost of Ownership - a bit weird to include water (isnt it roughly the same for every espresso machine?) but not electricity - a machine of that size surely is quite hungry, no? would have been interesting to know what it adds to your power bill.
agreed!
And most important how much per one Espresso from your coffee machine ?
How many "coffee" you can drink from coffee shop as Starbucks for all this expenses?
Sorry for shit on the fan.
Great video 😊. How long does it take to get the machine warm/start? I have a Barista Express and looking to upgrade.
From cold to ready to pull shots is about 10 min, another 3-5 for steam to be up to pressure. You can set a timer or turn it on with your phone when you wake up so it’s ready by the time you’re up.
Leave mine on full time. Never had an issue.
Hey Spro! Have you looked into doing Rick Bond’s EMP mod for full pressure control?
The BWT filtration system is very efficient and costs nowhere near as much as the one mentioned on the video.
Do these things typically come up used very often? I’m willing to drop some money, but I just can’t justify $5k
Where is the espresso cup from that is matte on the outside and smooth on the inside?
Why is it so cheap? I'm seeing it online for $750. Is there something I should be concerned about in the 3rd party seller market?
Why would you say is the Mazzocca better than the other prosumer machines in a 1500-3000 range? Just trying to understand why someone would pay $5500 versus 3000 even for a good quality mid range espresso machine
Can you do pressure profiling in LMLM? Or it’s just available in GS3 or Slayer
That's a Decent question for a later time!! 😜
You can do it, but it requires a pretty intense upgrade that I wasn’t willing to go through. So out of the box all you can get is pre-brewing, which is a full pressure kind of pre-infusion
@@Sprometheus Actually I saw a video which had a completely slayer like pressure profiling without any mods or anything so that’s why I thought to ask you
@@yajurgambhir8109 if they said it had no mods it’s not true. The machine isn’t designed to do any sort of pressure profiling, it would completely negate the reason why anyone would buy a GS3. LM would lose money on that since the GS3 more expensive.
@@Sprometheus Understood. Thank you so much for the information.
How often did the system plug up? You showed a small nut with hole.
I’ve owned a 1 Gr Orchestrale Nota machine for over 8 years now and the only thing which has failed thus far is a small $5 rubber O - Ring on the water tank. Only ever use tap water make about 2 coffees daily with this machine. Food for thought about reliability
You could say you’ve got 2020 hindsight about your New Years introductions. 😅
How about the 1 group LM Leva X? You can trade in the Mini 😁
Where can you find a list of companies that can service the machine?
Great vid but now I'm concerned since I've been using the same screen / spring / basket on my rocket for more than 5 yrs....
Hi there. Thanks for your video.
May I just ask a simple but silly question? Since I haven’t got enough space for the linea mini and a proper grinder, do you think if I have the linea mini and a C40 combination would do the job fine in terms of coffee quality and stability. Considering my daily consumption is 1-2 cups.
Much thanks.
more than enough but grinding espresso on a C40 just makes the entire process longer IMHO that also depends on how hard the beans you grind are at
what about getting a Victoria Arduino EAGLE ONE PRIMA instead?
Even though your LMLM machine is fairly high-end for the home user, the way it functions (and your content) is still relatable to most home espresso machine users.
If you upgrade to a machine such as the Decent or Slayer, etc. which do 'things' in a way most other espresso machines cannot, it seems as if most of your viewers are shut out of participation (i.e. their machines simply cannot 'do that' thing). If you were to get and experiment with a Decent, for example, only those who own a Decent will benefit (unless the goal is to sell a few Decent machines).
People are amazed by how much a LMLM costs these days (and it sticks to basic espresso stuff regardless of some bells and whistles, so your observations derived from it still apply to most home machines) but some of the machines people are suggesting you upgrade to are even far more expensive and niche. Particularly, imo, the Decent; as remarkable as it is, it is designed for endless tinkering, not making efficient, repeatable, delicious espresso. Know this is probably not any help, but just offering a 'perhaps useful' perspective.
Good episode, by the way. Much appreciated.
Most people find a profile they like and stick with it, it CAN be used for simple efficient repeatable delicious espresso as you said, although I would feel like you're missing out without using it to experiment and get different results with the same coffee!
If you use one profile you don't even need to use the tablet.
Would love to see a showdown of “grail” or “endgame” machines (3 to 6k range) like the Decent, Eagle One, LMLM, Pro700/ECM, bianca, verve, R60, etc. Buying them all would be prohibitively expensive, but maybe a mix of companies, shops, and fellow content creators would lend them to you for the purposes of such a video!
Would be a nice opportunity for you to also review them individually and bang out like 4 to 7 videos in quick succession, which would allow for a very well deserved vacation afterwards ;)
Feel like the Decent has the most potential for exploration, but it’s also so niche (yeah yeah) and I’d be concerned you’d end up being a long term advertisement for Decent as opposed to the independent content creator you are today. In some respects, the LMLM allowed you to be independent because it has so few options/variables that you could avoid constantly talking about it. Maybe a spring lever machine would work well for keep the variables low while adding a different element to your content. I’ve been curious to learn more about the Londinium. Also think the new Spring Lever Cremina is nice but wouldn’t use it on your channel since it’s not a 58mm PF and you do so many videos that require a standard PF basket. Anyway, I’m excited to see what you end up deciding!
I get you, this is a good point. But some would argue that I was just a long term ad for LM.
Regardless of the machine that inevitably will be the centerpiece of all my espresso focused content, it’s important to me that I keep the content approachable by those working on a variety of machines.
To be honest, I think I’m actually in the minority in that respect and have a machine that can’t do what many other folks are doing both on and off the espresso mainstream. In my mind it’s basically just catching up to the times.
You're not just some dude..
You're the bad boy of the YT coffee scene. Keep up the great content pony boy.
I have a Flair 58 and I'm not sure how much better I can get. Im producing espressos as good as the baristas that also sell me my beans.
And the workflow is really easy.
De1?😜 I love my de1 and can't wait to get a grinder upgrade soon.😅
I’ve got a grinder coming too, so a machine is in the works as well…just gotta decide!
Curious to see which grinder it will be!
@@Sprometheus is it Monolith or Weber Key ?
Can't wait to see what you get! Just waiting for the preorder period of KafaTek.😜
Where did you get your custom wood parts?
If you want it to work and to last, get a La Marzocco! I’d go GS3 AV myself.
Certainly been very happy with my own GS/3-AV, for me a better option than the GS/3-MP (or a LMLM). Any of these machines will produce great espresso reliably.
2020 got a nice ring to it :D
Haha, I guess I just need to always remember things posted on the internet are there forever.
I’m looking for Decent reviews on best ways to make Decent coffee. Would love a Decent opinion on the subject from you!
I’m picking up what you’re putting down…
@@Sprometheus I am considering the Decent machine and love to geek out over coffee in general. It’s why I like your channel, you do a great job digging into how coffee works. This machine, I believe, would help bring you to the next level of coffee geekery. Also, there are not a ton of coffee RUclipsrs digging deeper using this machine. Would love to see what you come up with!
why is this machine $5-9000. when the other great top of the line machines are 2000-4500... what is that extra $2-4500 for??? Boiler is a boiler, pump is a pump, its a timed pump water affair creating pressure so its not like its a radical technology, hot water plumbing. I am just curious is it the styling or all the parts are custom made from the ground up? Is this the Gucci of espresso machines?
Yes
This macine is hand made in italy, with premium materials. This machine is specially café quality. It will last a lifetime.
Cheeper machines like top-of-the-line breville machines have all the bells and whistles, but are not built to last.
Not to mention that all breville machines have very low powered steem wands.
Breville machines are also really hard to fix so once they break thats it.
On the other hand La Marzocco machines can be easily repaired.
On paper this machine is over priced but one you facter in super great customer service, easy repairs, super customizable (via the app) and really good build quality, its worth it.
This is the Gucci of espresso machines but a Gucci that doesn't ever need replacing.
I would love to see your same high quality videos, but with a Decent or Eagle One Prima. GS3 would just me more of the same.
Cost of ownership per what? Year, five years?
The only real upgrades would be a Slayer, GS3 MP, Speedster, or a Hydra. A Decent in it's current form would be a waste imho. Same for the eagle one since it's basically just a LMLM+.
I'd recommend you just Slayer mod your machine since the warranty is over.
How would the Decent be a waste? The GS3 would literally be a waste of water, considering how it's needle valve works. The Slayer is pushing 3x the cost of the Decent for fewer features.
Love to see you get he GS3 or the Eagle One and sit it next to the LMLM together for coffee content comparison. Please don’t go too deep and make coffee too complicated and less fun with the Decent.
I would love more Eagle One Prima content on YT. Talked myself out of buying one last year. Got a Decent instead.
The Decent is as complicated and “not fun” as you make it. You can use it like a LMLM, but then what’s the point?
Decent is complicated ? I use it daily for more than a year. Never have any problem with hardware or software. Pick your favorite profile and off you go. What I like about Decent is temp stability and how precise it is to stop at set weight
@@Lnguyen217 I can tell you are at another level and though you may not be playing with profiles as much, Im sure you understand the fundamentals lying behind it. Im also certain you know that knowledge is quite beyond what regular folks need to know for their daily cup of coffee. This channel has been fun and educational reaching out to coffee enthusiasts at all levels… The LMLM is kinda perfect for that purpose but the Decent would probably lead the content to another scientific level which would then leave out the interest from beginners like me. I mean hard core info is great but maybe it belongs in a specific community like the Decent forum on Reddit. My point is, this channel has been doing so great helping beginners and I’d love for him to keep creating content thats friendly to a wide range of audience. Good coffee vids are pretty abundant, but creators that makes the topic fun, informative and friendly like this channel, as you know is quite rare.
It's interesting how things are subjective. You spend more in a year on the Mini maintenance then I spend on my Gaggia Classic... AND MY CAR COMBINED! :))) Oh well.
Why buy a whole home RO system? My RODI kit was $400, and it’s around $100 in filters and membranes every years