The answer is yes. MIni is more commercial espresso in small footprint. The Mini can make 22 back-to-back coffee shots after loss temp stability vs Micra only make 7. Also the internals components in Mini is the same of the Linea Commercial espresso. Micra is fabulous but not replace Mini.
I actually would have preferred this to be an AV version similar to the Linea Classic S it takes its design cues from. I know a lot of people like the manual paddle... but it's an on/off switch and doesn't do flow profiling like the manual paddle version of the GS3. The steam wand seems mighty small... i wonder if you could replace it with a normal length steam wand. Seems like an ok machine though. I'd wait for the plumbing kit if it only has line level preinfusion.
@@adamg.manning6088 Well... i never said the machine isnt worth that money. Its just not for the average home with a price this high. People that could afford this, have employees that make the coffee for them on much bigger more professional machines. So for what type of home user is this kind of priced machine made for? For the average home user, a Gaggia Classic is pretty much all you need and that thing is priced at about 300-500$.
@@youtubeaccount7137 actually, it's like saying buy a bmw r1100rt than a harley Davidson springer. The first gets you a highly reliable bike with plenty of spare parts available and is easily serviced while the other only buys you status.
@@donaldrnordlie5543 breville is far from reliable and availability of parts is very bad in europe. La marzocco has parts that are easier available and a 100 year company has proven more reliable then breville that produces machines that will not last 10 years with so many plastic
@@donaldrnordlie5543 rancilio is not an e61 and uses own group so not to be compared with old tech like faema group. I would say that la marzocco is more reliable.
Great Video! I've had a GS3 for about 8 years. It's a great machine. But if the Micra was available back when I bought the GS3, I probably would have gone with the Micra. Smaller foot print & I only make 2-4 coffees a day.
So I owned a micra for 10months and now have a mini. Had the plumb kit been available for the micra I would have been happier. But overall, I think it’s just too small. Head space is really tight, steam wand is small but manageable.
do you think this would make better espresso than my Gaggia Classic Pro? I mainly drink pour overs or espresso (neat). I make max 2 double espressos a day. Sometimes a flat white.
Definitely will produce a better shot but 6x better? Probably not. There are other machines though that can do more than the Gaggia and don't cost a bomb. You can check out this video here if you like ruclips.net/video/DyPViqFakY8/видео.htmlsi=Lxq9S_VIjmtRh7i-
You should’ve wait for this year 2024 to get the latest mini R where it finally gets a timer for brew shots! I preordered one and it’s coming late July!
@@3rd-Wave_Rebel Honestly don't feel like I'm missing much with not having the R - I added a shot timer, and while the pre-infusion would be nice, I'm planning to plumb in anyway. And I actually prefer the non-R aesthetics. Such a great machine.
@@nofam The only downside to the new version is that they remove the temperature wheel where version 1 has it. So users will have to use the app to access the temperature gauge!
It does have preinfusion I'm pretty sure, through the app. You can also mod them with a flow controller for more options, but there is still a pre brew option on the app.
Is that intuition? Or have you actually confirmed that the plastic portion doesn't leach when subjected to espresso brewing temps? The reason I ask is because plastic is known to leach at high temperatures. Unless there is testing to confirm leaching isn't happening, I'd be weary. And at this price point, I don't want to have to be weary. @@Rydecoffeecoach
No that's confirmed. The plastic they use is pps and a lot of machine manufacturers are using this now to replace brass components because the zinc leeching from brass is actually quite bad. But there's no toxicity from pps even at extreme temps like 200C / 392F
That is great to know. It would be great if La Marzocco mentions these considerations that they are making with respect to customer health while introducing the new plastic piece. It seems like many others share my concerns around leaching and have replaced the plastic bottom portion altogether. Now that I know the plastic is safe from leaching, I'm all for trying this new style. I really appreciate your time and responses! Which espresso machines do you recommend most for a beginner that are the most health oriented? And by that I mean making considerations like using stainless over brass, using safe plastics, etc.. I was going to buy a profitec Go but now I'm noticing it's almost entirely brass internals. Same thing goes for the Rancilio Silvia Pro X. @@Rydecoffeecoach
@@Rydecoffeecoach Which machine do you recommend that is entry level and uses safe components? Or is the only way to have safety to go up to something with a stainless steel boiler? The cheapest machine I see with stainless steel boileer is like an ECM Classika or Profitec Pro 400. What do you think of those? Or would you recommend something else. As cool as the LMLMicra is, I'm not trying to sign away the rights to my firstborn purchasing this thing.
Zeroing in on the black Micra here in Seattle (10KM to the USA HQ!). I make 2 doppios a day, should do the trick. What do you think about using stainless steel puck screen on top, and paper filters at bottom of porta filter?@@Rydecoffeecoach
I have a Bianca that works perfect. Astonishing coffe and cappuccino after 3 years. I want to change only for the change.....not because I need something more. I like the micra for the faster power on and for the look completely different from the Bianca but I don't like the absence of a timer for the shot and for the impossibility to flow control. I know the timer on the app but is not the way I want to use. When I do a coffee I want to be more analogically possibile in that 30 seconds. The rest of the day I live on apps, tecnology, console etc etc
I wanted to love the micra, I tested it last week. Unfortunately, the small wand and the plastic spouts were big turn off for me :( But the mini is soooo big for my kitchen… I want one in the middle 😅
Don't worry about the plastic spouts because there's so many accessories like Pesado's Hybrid portafilter that you'll probably upgrade to anyway. The small steam wand could be an issue but likely get use to it and you can usually find extensions too.
is it worth upgarding from a breville barista pro (considering the HUGE price differance) and why ? i make about 1-2 cups per day i bought the machine to save up money
I wouldn't tell you to upgrade now but the Barista Pro will fail usually within 5 years so at that time you should consider upgrading as they'll last 20+ years. But La marzocco isn't the only option either, there are plenty of great machines better than the Breville and not as expensive as the Micra. Check out my other videos on what coffee machine to buy. One thing I would say you'd benefit from now though is a better grinder that isn't built in. I don't like the built-in grinders as they wreck your machine more quickly. A Eureka mignon or Timemore Sculptor or equivalent grinder will not only give you better coffee now, you'll have it for 20+ years as well. 👌
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The answer is yes. MIni is more commercial espresso in small footprint. The Mini can make 22 back-to-back coffee shots after loss temp stability vs Micra only make 7. Also the internals components in Mini is the same of the Linea Commercial espresso. Micra is fabulous but not replace Mini.
I actually would have preferred this to be an AV version similar to the Linea Classic S it takes its design cues from. I know a lot of people like the manual paddle... but it's an on/off switch and doesn't do flow profiling like the manual paddle version of the GS3. The steam wand seems mighty small... i wonder if you could replace it with a normal length steam wand. Seems like an ok machine though. I'd wait for the plumbing kit if it only has line level preinfusion.
They'll bring out mods for it down the track they said. 👌
Great components, certainly, but at this price the paddle should enable the Flow Profile and not just be a switch.
I’d still choose my mini 😂 well mine is different hahah has a slayer mod
But the micra is super cute!!
Yeh the Slayer mod is awesome for the Minis, I think the Mini still has its place but it's good to see la marzocco start to bring out a range.
@@Rydecoffeecoach very true
I think there realising classic look is slowly fading
Still expensive for home !!
Cheaper?😂 the right word would be „less expensive“
😅 yes.
And exactly what type of normal person can afford to buy a Coffee Machine for at home for over 3.5k Bucks or more?😂😂😂
What is reasonable for a handmade machine?
@@adamg.manning6088 Well... i never said the machine isnt worth that money. Its just not for the average home with a price this high. People that could afford this, have employees that make the coffee for them on much bigger more professional machines. So for what type of home user is this kind of priced machine made for? For the average home user, a Gaggia Classic is pretty much all you need and that thing is priced at about 300-500$.
There's definitely a place for them but obviously you have to be right into specialty coffee and the budget. 👌
It depends on the person - some people are happy to spend it on a TV - I’d rather have a nice coffee
I think it is your problem,more about how can you make more money instead just survive?
My answer, they're both not worth buying! Just get a Silvia or Breville.
Hahaha its like saying buy a fiat in stead of a ferrari
@@youtubeaccount7137 actually, it's like saying buy a bmw r1100rt than a harley Davidson springer. The first gets you a highly reliable bike with plenty of spare parts available and is easily serviced while the other only buys you status.
@@donaldrnordlie5543 breville is far from reliable and availability of parts is very bad in europe. La marzocco has parts that are easier available and a 100 year company has proven more reliable then breville that produces machines that will not last 10 years with so many plastic
@@youtubeaccount7137 I was referring more towards rancilio, but yes, breville is definitely a buy and replace option.
@@donaldrnordlie5543 rancilio is not an e61 and uses own group so not to be compared with old tech like faema group. I would say that la marzocco is more reliable.
Great Video! I've had a GS3 for about 8 years. It's a great machine. But if the Micra was available back when I bought the GS3, I probably would have gone with the Micra. Smaller foot print & I only make 2-4 coffees a day.
Still, with the gs3 you're never having a bad coffee! 🙌🙌
So I owned a micra for 10months and now have a mini.
Had the plumb kit been available for the micra I would have been happier.
But overall, I think it’s just too small. Head space is really tight, steam wand is small but manageable.
Love my Micra, perfect for my use case of 2 to 3 capps a day. Love the bottomless portafilter. Fits nicely with the lunar scale.
coolbut expensive
I have the micra. Absolutely love it. The smaller steam wand was a challenge at first but I'm good now. 🎉🎉🎉
Interesting point. Yes I can imagine the steam wand is tricky because it's still so powerful. 👌
do you think this would make better espresso than my Gaggia Classic Pro? I mainly drink pour overs or espresso (neat). I make max 2 double espressos a day. Sometimes a flat white.
Definitely will produce a better shot but 6x better? Probably not. There are other machines though that can do more than the Gaggia and don't cost a bomb.
You can check out this video here if you like ruclips.net/video/DyPViqFakY8/видео.htmlsi=Lxq9S_VIjmtRh7i-
Scared to watch this mate - I just ordered a Mini on Thursday!!! 😅
You'll love it! The Mini still is great and there's nothing this machine can do that the Mini can't already so no need.to worry! 🙌👌
You should’ve wait for this year 2024 to get the latest mini R where it finally gets a timer for brew shots! I preordered one and it’s coming late July!
Yes, it's super annoying that LM do this but I guess every company does it so you can't blame them.
@@3rd-Wave_Rebel Honestly don't feel like I'm missing much with not having the R - I added a shot timer, and while the pre-infusion would be nice, I'm planning to plumb in anyway. And I actually prefer the non-R aesthetics. Such a great machine.
@@nofam The only downside to the new version is that they remove the temperature wheel where version 1 has it. So users will have to use the app to access the temperature gauge!
7:54 Only $1100 AUD for the GS3. Pretty good deal!
😂 I'll take one!
commercial espresso at a very accessible/affordable price🤔
Is it good to use for a really small coffee shop? TIA
It’s always rubbed me the wrong way that you spend 3000 or 5000 on a machine and need to spend another few hundred for a plumb kit.
Yeh it's a bit poor isn't it?
Mini r smokes the micra
Six Grand entry-level machine?
😅 this is definitely not an entry level machine. Only for this company.
Its like saying ferrari is a entry level car
No pre-infusion? How come you don’t get this feature on a machine like this?
It does have preinfusion I'm pretty sure, through the app. You can also mod them with a flow controller for more options, but there is still a pre brew option on the app.
Plastic spouts?? Love getting some plastic in my drink. :(
I don't think the polymer goes into your coffee.
Is that intuition? Or have you actually confirmed that the plastic portion doesn't leach when subjected to espresso brewing temps? The reason I ask is because plastic is known to leach at high temperatures. Unless there is testing to confirm leaching isn't happening, I'd be weary. And at this price point, I don't want to have to be weary. @@Rydecoffeecoach
No that's confirmed. The plastic they use is pps and a lot of machine manufacturers are using this now to replace brass components because the zinc leeching from brass is actually quite bad. But there's no toxicity from pps even at extreme temps like 200C / 392F
That is great to know. It would be great if La Marzocco mentions these considerations that they are making with respect to customer health while introducing the new plastic piece. It seems like many others share my concerns around leaching and have replaced the plastic bottom portion altogether. Now that I know the plastic is safe from leaching, I'm all for trying this new style. I really appreciate your time and responses! Which espresso machines do you recommend most for a beginner that are the most health oriented? And by that I mean making considerations like using stainless over brass, using safe plastics, etc.. I was going to buy a profitec Go but now I'm noticing it's almost entirely brass internals. Same thing goes for the Rancilio Silvia Pro X. @@Rydecoffeecoach
@@Rydecoffeecoach Which machine do you recommend that is entry level and uses safe components? Or is the only way to have safety to go up to something with a stainless steel boiler? The cheapest machine I see with stainless steel boileer is like an ECM Classika or Profitec Pro 400. What do you think of those? Or would you recommend something else. As cool as the LMLMicra is, I'm not trying to sign away the rights to my firstborn purchasing this thing.
is it suitable for small/cart coffee that serves 20-30cups/day
Oh yeh it should be. It might pay to go for the Mini if you can stretch but it will still be able to do 30-40coffees a day fine. 👌
The Micra is my dream!
I think the Lelit Bianca v3 pips the LM LM and a better price in UK.
Is quality wise veey behind the lelit. But its a good machine for the price.
But it looks like a toy and won't last half as long as one of these
@@benmulleady7266 3 years of bianca and absolutelly like new...
Love espresso. Milk not so much
Great machine had the same color red Micra.. ❤
They are so gorgeous
Zeroing in on the black Micra here in Seattle (10KM to the USA HQ!). I make 2 doppios a day, should do the trick. What do you think about using stainless steel puck screen on top, and paper filters at bottom of porta filter?@@Rydecoffeecoach
Polymer =. Plastic
I have a Bianca that works perfect. Astonishing coffe and cappuccino after 3 years. I want to change only for the change.....not because I need something more. I like the micra for the faster power on and for the look completely different from the Bianca but I don't like the absence of a timer for the shot and for the impossibility to flow control. I know the timer on the app but is not the way I want to use. When I do a coffee I want to be more analogically possibile in that 30 seconds. The rest of the day I live on apps, tecnology, console etc etc
The new mini finally gets the timer shot!
I wanted to love the micra, I tested it last week. Unfortunately, the small wand and the plastic spouts were big turn off for me :(
But the mini is soooo big for my kitchen…
I want one in the middle 😅
Don't worry about the plastic spouts because there's so many accessories like Pesado's Hybrid portafilter that you'll probably upgrade to anyway. The small steam wand could be an issue but likely get use to it and you can usually find extensions too.
I've taken the spouts off and everything is a double shot based coffee. It's awesome 👍
first
is it worth upgarding from a breville barista pro (considering the HUGE price differance) and why ? i make about 1-2 cups per day
i bought the machine to save up money
I wouldn't tell you to upgrade now but the Barista Pro will fail usually within 5 years so at that time you should consider upgrading as they'll last 20+ years. But La marzocco isn't the only option either, there are plenty of great machines better than the Breville and not as expensive as the Micra. Check out my other videos on what coffee machine to buy.
One thing I would say you'd benefit from now though is a better grinder that isn't built in. I don't like the built-in grinders as they wreck your machine more quickly. A Eureka mignon or Timemore Sculptor or equivalent grinder will not only give you better coffee now, you'll have it for 20+ years as well. 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach thanks a lot for the help god bless you , i will definitely buy a grinder then 👍🏻 will sell my current one within 1-2 years