TRUTH ABOUT WHAT I PAID FOR MY DODGE SWINGER SPECIAL EDITION

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  • Опубликовано: 28 июл 2023
  • In this video I answer all of your questions about what price I paid for my 2023 Dodge Challenger Swinger Special Edition Last Call hemi car.
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  • @CrownlineSA
    @CrownlineSA 9 месяцев назад +21

    Very rare to see this type of transparency anywhere on the internet. Couldn't agree more with all of the financial points you make in the video. Only challenge I have is, the dealership doesn't need protecting, they're in the business of taking calls, getting bad offers, etc. They didn't make you sign an NDA. Great content as always, sir!

  • @alexleal7643
    @alexleal7643 9 месяцев назад +75

    What you paid is no one's business. You obviously ain't hurting for money considering your house and cars you got. Most that complain or say "You overpaid", got a bus pass/drive a beat up honda and live with they moms.

    • @ocmotivator
      @ocmotivator  9 месяцев назад +34

      Lol. True. But the good news is this video will likely get a ton of views and make my car payment for me so happy to share. 👍👍🙏🤣

    • @BlakWiseCracker
      @BlakWiseCracker 9 месяцев назад +2

      A bus pass 😂does that still exist? I’m assuming if it does possibly in a liberal State. And by the way it is someone’s business on what he pays a month, I want to know because I need to use it for future projects.

    • @rajunz
      @rajunz 9 месяцев назад

      I just bought one (Swinger) in F8 Green. MSRP was $67k, Dodge sent me a coupon for $1k off, Traded my 2017 Hemi 300 with 21k miles for $27,500, and put $10k down. Payments are $530 mo.

    • @Mienboi821510
      @Mienboi821510 9 месяцев назад

      @@rajunzMay I ask what your APR and term is?

    • @obie_kenobi
      @obie_kenobi 8 месяцев назад

      @@ocmotivatorI just subscribed to your Channel!!! I just bought mine 2 days ago!!! Congrats man!!!

  • @luv4life1
    @luv4life1 9 месяцев назад +12

    OC, your transparency is crazy so not necessary because you have nothing to prove to anyone! Either way, congrats, bro! On the car, your success, your family, and all you've worked for!

  • @rivirme
    @rivirme 9 месяцев назад +7

    The sound of the Lambo makes it a supercar! I like that you call out the haters....you have brass balls Brad. The swinger is a total package and would be the exact set up that I would like; 6 speed too!

  • @fizeksteacher
    @fizeksteacher 9 месяцев назад +7

    I love your swinger and look forward to seeing more of it. I hate people that insist on slamming others down just to elevate themselves.
    I went through 4 Dodge dealers before finding one that would order/sell me a scat pack at msrp. It is ordered and I am impatiently waiting. Thx for the great videos!!

  • @kwkride
    @kwkride 9 месяцев назад +5

    I really respect your honest approach to all of your videos, especially the advice that you give. I love your new Challenger, and I’m looking forward to more videos about your Swinger.

  • @makiejama41096
    @makiejama41096 9 месяцев назад +6

    What I really love about your channel is the transparency you have with all of your cars and loans. Pretty cool for all us to see what it costs to get loans or purchase these vehicles

  • @captainobvious5993
    @captainobvious5993 9 месяцев назад +4

    Manual transmission is a must for a muscle and sports car

  • @SHAKER36
    @SHAKER36 9 месяцев назад +1

    Lots of great info! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and very informative knowledge. Your the man OCM👍‼️

  • @CraytonTv
    @CraytonTv 9 месяцев назад +9

    Awesome 👏🏽 video bro, Crazy how people care about other people’s finances when they should worry about themselves and work hard like you did to get in better positions. But awesome detail video love the content and speeches you give. All your hard work you have been working for to give your family a great life is highly well deserved. Keep pushing to the top never give up. God Bless

  • @20Mrrizzo
    @20Mrrizzo 9 месяцев назад +1

    Nicely done! Great points and thanks for sharing.

  • @bensmith4194
    @bensmith4194 3 месяца назад

    Great video and congratulations what ever you decide to do wish you the very best.

  • @solesauce06
    @solesauce06 9 месяцев назад +2

    You can do everything right they’ll still judge you..
    You got what you wanted and stayed solid on your word. No markup. Sticker car or not, that shaker wide body is FIRE AS HELL! Real recognizes Real 💪🏽

  • @frankie072
    @frankie072 9 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent video Brad,Interesting, informative ,a little humor and straight up Facts,Have a great rest of the weekend

  • @quell300020
    @quell300020 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for being you. I love your video and advice.

  • @thomasmazzola4760
    @thomasmazzola4760 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you for your honesty and transparency. Great video

  • @SSV-i-c-e
    @SSV-i-c-e 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for your clarity on the figures appreciate it.hi from New Zealand 🇳🇿

  • @Jimmyg-fg1ph
    @Jimmyg-fg1ph 9 месяцев назад +2

    Another transparent awesome video. Your advice not only saved me tons of $$$ but it made getting my car possible. I put in the work and got an excellent deal.

  • @dmrobello9441
    @dmrobello9441 9 месяцев назад +3

    OC Motivator, thank you for all the (free!) financial advice, helping others to be more successful in all aspects of their lives.

  • @jjntwice
    @jjntwice 9 месяцев назад

    Love watching your Videos!
    I learn something an almost every one; Keep up the great work!

  • @frankiearrevalo5494
    @frankiearrevalo5494 9 месяцев назад +1

    OCM… man I appreciate your videos and all the car buying advice that you share with us. Keep up the solid content and the negative people don’t reflect this solid channel. Thanks!

  • @h-townautomotivetraining8219
    @h-townautomotivetraining8219 9 месяцев назад

    Great videos glad you share the cars with us.

  • @dragonbanks1656
    @dragonbanks1656 9 месяцев назад +2

    Straight to the point....too many people always judge what you have or pay....if your at the right time and place then everything will fall in place...not everyone is the same.....great video

  • @joshmarshall100
    @joshmarshall100 9 месяцев назад

    Just found your channel. Love this video man. I just bought my first Challenger! 2014 R/T it’s been a. Dream of mine for years and I finally got it! I’ve had some ppl question why and all that. But I love it man! Thanks for the great videos I’ll be watching!

  • @Pete-lz5eg
    @Pete-lz5eg 9 месяцев назад +1

    Brad thank you for ALL your video content. Being brutally honest speaks volumes of you. I have been shopping for a Challenger in different trim levels this year but just can't pull the trigger. On your office VLOGS I noticed you are a Veteran. Thank you for your service! I am a USAF Veteran too. Keep making your videos. Cheers - Pete

  • @Steve23-392
    @Steve23-392 9 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for your transparency and explanation of your decisions and purchasing process.
    Enjoy the Swinger if it’s short term or you keep it for awhile. It’s a great Dodge/Mopar product that should be enjoyed. Especially given that fact that they are last call vehicles and going away. Thank you again for your great content .

  • @davidjarrell6159
    @davidjarrell6159 9 месяцев назад

    Well said!!! Congratulations on the purchase!!

  • @MrNeoAleus
    @MrNeoAleus 8 месяцев назад

    I own a 2010 challenger srt8, looking to get a newer model. really enjoy your vids, subscribed. liked. learned a whole lot about the purchasing process. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and car buying experience!

  • @allenmartinez3253
    @allenmartinez3253 9 месяцев назад

    Great video like always !

  • @beatallmighty58
    @beatallmighty58 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the honesty................and kudos on your new car!!!!!!!!

  • @benzlick
    @benzlick 9 месяцев назад +4

    I really love that Swinger, man! Worth every dollar spent 😎👍

  • @noe-knew4582
    @noe-knew4582 2 месяца назад

    I appreciate all your honesty. I am glad that I went to your channel because I am considering buying the same car.😊

  • @BlueCollarExp
    @BlueCollarExp 5 месяцев назад

    You are 100% right. The man in the arena gets to do battle while everyone else criticizes his technique.
    I’ve followed your channel for a little over 1 month and was able to do an outrageous deal on a wide body shakedown because I caught the right dealer at the end of the month willing to negotiate.
    Thank you for what you are doing. I’m launching a RUclips channel soon and am learning a lot from you! Keep doing great things!

  • @DeepCdiver966
    @DeepCdiver966 9 месяцев назад

    Good on you for putting yourself in a position to do whatever you want. This is one lime green Challenger I would own. I appreciate your honesty

  • @deonjohnson2878
    @deonjohnson2878 9 месяцев назад +1

    Bro. When you respond... It only gives them reason to keep it going. Let them do what they do. Keep doing your positive work and CONTROL the things you can and DON'T worry about the things you can't. Let people be miserable in their life. You don't have to join in. Much love Bro.💯💪🏾👑

  • @ljcor1899
    @ljcor1899 9 месяцев назад

    Excellent vid OC! At the end of the day you make the choices that make YOU happy. As for the haters… well…. they will always be haters! Cheers and congrats again.

  • @Skidz75
    @Skidz75 9 месяцев назад

    In these crazy times, you made a good deal. Congrats on the new sled! 😎🤙

  • @IguanaPR
    @IguanaPR 9 месяцев назад

    Nothing better than to have a morning breakfast with a salty vid! Keep em coming!

  • @RobertWilliams-hr9tf
    @RobertWilliams-hr9tf 9 месяцев назад

    Whether i agree or not, I love your transparency! You owe no one an explanation! 👍🏾

  • @BanditApache-nd6lu
    @BanditApache-nd6lu 9 месяцев назад +2

    God Bless you brother! Like I’ve told you in another video you did on the Demon. Some people just suck and love to run their mouths to good, honest hard working people. As I’ve said to you before, all that matters is what you believe, your wife believes and your daughter believes. Your videos are always transparent. True fans of the channel and true car guys and girls appreciate the way you are in your videos. Enjoy your new ride, manual is the way to go! My ZL1 1LE would not be half as much fun if it was an automatic! Stay safe.

  • @justmat28
    @justmat28 9 месяцев назад

    This has been are weekly OCMotivator philosophy class 👍🏽

  • @pmformotion
    @pmformotion 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great video as a man you should never have to explain yourself and Kudos to you !!

  • @shortlife365
    @shortlife365 9 месяцев назад +1

    Like my grandma taught “if you have NOTHING NICE to say THEN DO NOT say anything” at all

  • @LeeFebus-dp2kl
    @LeeFebus-dp2kl 2 месяца назад

    My friend, I’m so happy for you . What matter is what you feel and have achieved. Congratulations.

  • @KenBillie
    @KenBillie 9 месяцев назад

    Love your swinger and your channel.

  • @ramcharger1978
    @ramcharger1978 9 месяцев назад

    I Love Your channel. I’m very glad to see you with a Challenger.

  • @canny8228
    @canny8228 9 месяцев назад

    Congrats on your new car!

  • @1of1GT
    @1of1GT 9 месяцев назад +1

    Congrats on the Swinger Brad! Happy for you and the channel. I remember you saying in an older video that if/when you decided to pull the trigger on a sticker car, it would be in Sublime Green.
    I have a 16 yr old taking his driver's license road test next Tue in my 2022 Charger GT (with Pedal Commander that will be turned off 😁) If he passes, he'll get to drive it to school the next day by himself for the first time. I'm nervous for him and my baby!
    My wife has a 2021 Challenger GT and doesn't like to let our son drive it because of the huge blind spots. Curious on your feedback about the blind spots. Ever had any close calls in the Challengers you've owned?
    Still lovin the channel! Keep it up.

  • @patrickmurphy9823
    @patrickmurphy9823 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for helping me to know and to have some insight to know what's in the head of a Brilliant mind !!!!!

  • @bryanmoore172
    @bryanmoore172 9 месяцев назад +1

    Don’t let the haters get to you OC motivator. The haters probably mooch off folks, live in their moms basement, or work at McDonald’s. Keep being you Oc motivator you’re an inspiration to alot of people!

  • @MacNifty
    @MacNifty 9 месяцев назад

    You are a cool dude man and props to you and all men like you.

  • @thewildman4300
    @thewildman4300 9 месяцев назад

    Thank your Dad for his Service for me! Great video!

  • @johnoye6218
    @johnoye6218 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hi Brad!
    Sounds like you did good on your purchase! I totally get your logic on this purchase. Ignore those people who talk their sh#t. Bottom line, it's your money and you can spend it the way you want.
    Enjoy your Swinger!!! Be SAFE and stay HEALTHY!!!
    John from SoCal

  • @mikeymikes8185
    @mikeymikes8185 9 месяцев назад

    Man just live and enjoy to much negativity congrats🎉. I appreciate u being honest and just give advice. I hope to get one of these scatpacks or hellcats soon Godwilling.. Keep it going Man👍🏻

  • @ricklp1861
    @ricklp1861 9 месяцев назад +3

    It's a cool lookin' car! As long as your happy with it!! Thats all that matters

  • @salimrandall
    @salimrandall 9 месяцев назад +1

    I never saw anybody hate their way to the top. Congrats on your new car.

  • @jjntwice
    @jjntwice 9 месяцев назад

    Awesome Car OC!!!👍🏻💯❗️

  • @user-bs1iv7dh8j
    @user-bs1iv7dh8j 9 месяцев назад

    Great video!

  • @burlowsurviorhills4584
    @burlowsurviorhills4584 9 месяцев назад

    Enjoy your ride I love it, Green

  • @lped6635
    @lped6635 9 месяцев назад +1

    Another great one. My 2022 Widebody Scatpack Shaker is a Manual. Lady Driven only. The Hater’s really hate when they find out it’s a Lady Driven Manual and I paid cash for it. The hater’s will always hate. Screw them, I would love to see what they are driving Manuals are the best in my opinion. Thank you for your honesty. And another awesome video. ❤

  • @rodrigosantoyo4278
    @rodrigosantoyo4278 9 месяцев назад

    Although it's absolutely not necessary for you to explain your business to all those haters I got to say your transparency is much appreciated. Keep beimg the great person u are man. Hope to some day cross paths. I live in Perris,CA but spend my weekends in OC with my fam. God bless brotha 🙏

  • @gregc2422
    @gregc2422 9 месяцев назад

    Dude you are absolutely awesome! I am so happy that you're doing this. Wow, that's great! First time I've seen some of your videos and I think that all your videos are awesome. Number one number two. This is like peek of the mountain right now. What you doing with this telling the truth I I totally believe you. It's not you know what it's none of their effing business. The freaking naysayers naysayers should just piss off. Anyways, I love your channel. I am subscribing to it. You're awesome! Thank you so much!

  • @aakihayes1483
    @aakihayes1483 9 месяцев назад

    Very smart purchase my friend!

  • @392scatpack3
    @392scatpack3 9 месяцев назад +3

    Do not let the negative comments get you down. It's your money you spend it like you want to. It's for the price you got it for that's still good. The six-speed manual that's great and most of the guys that think it ain't worth it they can't drive stick shift cars that's the reason. Keep doing what you do I like your Channel

  • @jaceblack7842
    @jaceblack7842 9 месяцев назад

    Informative video and great looking car

  • @karlgemborys5880
    @karlgemborys5880 9 месяцев назад

    Awesome car man keep going for real

  • @cherim5253
    @cherim5253 9 месяцев назад +2

    Haters are disturbed people. They're jealous. You did well. Who cares what they think. I'm happy for you and it's a nice car. That's all that matters. ❤

  • @kreative_tik
    @kreative_tik 9 месяцев назад

    @ocmotivator BEAUTIFUL car man! Any plans for the exhaust??

  • @wendellrivers853
    @wendellrivers853 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this ! Quick question did you take the white ScatPack to a Carbuyer USA location or did you use the online tool on their website ?

  • @abelalf
    @abelalf 9 месяцев назад +1

    You’ve owned a lot of people dreams cars already..shown proof of what you paid on all of them and the haters still doubt you, a lot of people hate to see others up..keep motivating 💪🏼

  • @stevenbeshara3164
    @stevenbeshara3164 9 месяцев назад

    Keep doing good things bro and keep god 1st

  • @fredericksharon7494
    @fredericksharon7494 7 месяцев назад

    Well said!!!!

  • @seerex8398
    @seerex8398 Месяц назад

    beautiful car , my favorite combination by far , color trans and options , well done and enjoy

  • @Matthew-21_22
    @Matthew-21_22 9 месяцев назад

    Good for you! You had a plan, did you're homework and worked it out. I enjoy your videos. Very interesting car loan. Bottom line, you knew what you wanted. You're too intelligent to screw up a car deal. I am truly happy for you. You have a beautiful bad ass Challenger.
    Congratulations!
    Question, why did Dodge have the Shaker the color it is? Do you know? To me, a black shaker would look better. But that sublime color and sticker look fantastic. Take care and thanks for sharing the info you did!
    BTW, You did something with you active exhaust. So, could I just take them off and attach those units open, or use a zip tie and leave attached and open? The mod you did, did it ever throw a code?

  • @alanhoffman6468
    @alanhoffman6468 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hey there great looking new car 😊

  • @dw8015
    @dw8015 9 месяцев назад

    Do not worry about the negative people that comment. They hate themself as well. Stay positive. It's what makes your channel a hit. Keep up the great videos and thanks for sharing

  • @OctonaBoyFresh
    @OctonaBoyFresh 9 месяцев назад +12

    Yeah 9% is pretty high. I'm paying 5% with my cu and thought that was kinda high. When I got my daytona, my totalled r/t was still on my credit so my union rep called the loan officer WHILE she was working on my new loan application and advised her that the previous loan will be paid off. It changed my interest rate dramatically I assume. I owe that lady a box of chocolates!!!

  • @Tony-Witt
    @Tony-Witt 9 месяцев назад +1

    Good buy on your new Challenger 👍👍that’s almost the same car I have have looking for.

  • @GlorytoYah
    @GlorytoYah 9 месяцев назад

    We are here to really watch your enjoyment for your car you paid for , truthfully if this video wasn’t in your plans we have to respect that . Your business is yours 💯. Anyways nice challenger again Oc

  • @user-qo8xq6ic3c
    @user-qo8xq6ic3c 9 месяцев назад

    Congratulations! I'd want a manual also the color is amazing! I'd keep it and enjoy it

  • @MGANDERSON81
    @MGANDERSON81 9 месяцев назад

    100% Truth man!!!! Smh...Too funny brother! All my life I've only EVER had one question for the guy with new toys and or more money!.........."How can I get it like you?" Congratulations brother and you don't owe anyone an explanation! But great transparency in this video man!!! 💪

  • @cammoxx
    @cammoxx 9 месяцев назад

    I can relate to what you are saying...very well sir

  • @raulgarcia-gb6vf
    @raulgarcia-gb6vf 9 месяцев назад

    Honestly I been watching your videos for a while now I’ve bought a couple cars I’m only 26 so I been learning as I been going I have a Daytona that I maybe getting rid of for a scat. Always try to have my next deal the better one! But we ust went in Toyota and got my fiancé a 23 Rav 4 under sticker and I just made sure to go through everything and know what we are paying! 🙏🏼 love your new ride! 🇺🇸

  • @mmf9765
    @mmf9765 9 месяцев назад +2

    They should sell all cars at MSRP

  • @austinscott2577
    @austinscott2577 9 месяцев назад +3

    Nice Challenger. You love it, the wife loves it, and you can afford it. That's all the matters.

  • @gcorderman
    @gcorderman 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you for sharing and providing a buying guide. And while no one should expect the same deal. What it does say is if you're willing to do your homework and establish a relationship with the business, they will be fair with you when the circumstance allow. Timing is everything. Not to mention dealer received free advertising and marketing and perhaps one of those callers they got will make a deal. .... I say it's was a win win.. Better to over pay for something you want and enjoy as it cost nobody but you, then to get a super deal for something that you weren't crazy about but thought it was a deal you couldn't pass up, only to end up hating it in the long run... Life is short.. Congrat's, I ain't made at you. You the man......

  • @paulrakis
    @paulrakis 9 месяцев назад

    Great video OC. Congratulations on that beauty brother. You did great and thanks for begin so transparent on everything. Hey if you wanna trade you my 22 scatpack shaker blk on red 😅

  • @abelvaldez6660
    @abelvaldez6660 9 месяцев назад

    You don't owe nobody nothing your inspiration for the rest of us

  • @jonathanflores2210
    @jonathanflores2210 9 месяцев назад

    Hey love your channel
    Congratulations on your lime green challenger. I also got my 2022 dodge charger widebody scatpack with the orange package which was the same MSRP as yours. I was able to buy mine at Rydell Dodge in San Fernando Ca.
    A different dealer wanted $10,000 over MSRP for the same vehicle. So it’s possible to get it for MSRP. 👍🏼

  • @paulk2211
    @paulk2211 9 месяцев назад +1

    Nice vid Most of the hatters are jealous or just don't know what they are talking about .What you say makes sense. Nice car and keep up the good vids 👍

  • @bigheavy12
    @bigheavy12 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great video and thanks!!!! Pls enjoy the car

  • @392Reviews
    @392Reviews 9 месяцев назад +1

    I try not to respond to negative comments...but man is it hard! Awesome scoop can't wait for a Swinger to touchdown at my Dealer. We have a Shakedown now! (PS: Just saw an F8 Green Challenger Swinger sell for $75K on the Mecum Auto Auctions Today!)

  • @scottzimmerman4523
    @scottzimmerman4523 9 месяцев назад +1

    Wow! Great deal. 👍

  • @neano62
    @neano62 9 месяцев назад

    You did good!

  • @garyford511
    @garyford511 9 месяцев назад

    I think your channel is great bro ! Your putting out some good useful content I enjoy your clips . Most all dealers (stealers) are trying to get 10 over on 2023 hellcats redeye’s widebody’s 10 over MSRP seems the norm for first price quote . I talked with your guy Max great guy called him about the very challenger you spoke of I saw it in the back ground of one of your video’s called him ASAP. We was close to a deal but the challenger just wasn’t equipped how I really wanted. So I wasn’t willing to pay the amount management wanted over MSRP . If it was options better it didn’t have 309 gears, it didn’t have the Laguna leather , or the exterior , flat, black hood, roof, and trunk lid. I probably would’ve paid what they was asking.I certainly would negotiated more rather than walking away but Max was a nice guy . I think because the car isn’t option more , for me I was willing to pay MSRP or 5 over at most .

  • @cacyjack
    @cacyjack 9 месяцев назад +4

    I just purchased a 2023 f8 green swinger challenger for $65k, not a standard, though

    • @SereneSpeed
      @SereneSpeed 9 месяцев назад

      One like yours just sold for $100k at Barrett Jackson.

  • @gohomeleavemealone9064
    @gohomeleavemealone9064 9 месяцев назад +7

    You got a great price, I'm seeing base model 6spd manual Challenger Scatpacks go for $62k here in NC. I don't see how 2 doors and a manual are less desirable. Then again I enjoy driving and think it should be more involved than "press gas and go really fast." Speed isn't everything. Anything with a manual transmission I respect, it could be a 1980's Daihatsu.

    • @ocmotivator
      @ocmotivator  9 месяцев назад +5

      Yep. But these millennials and Gen Z’s were never taught to drive them so they won’t buy them. It’s crazy. But I’m teaching my daughter now. 👍👍

    • @frankie072
      @frankie072 9 месяцев назад

      They definitely are less desirable, Back in 2017 a Dodge dealer in queens ny had quite a few 2016 Hellcat leftovers ,3 of them were manuals ,all 3 cars msrps were anywhere from $67k to $69k for these 3 particular cars ,A friend of mine bought One of them for $50k plus taxes/tags fees etc so all in he was in the ballpark of $55-$56k for his Hellcat,and the reason they were so aggressive was because they were manuals ,I kick myself in the ass when i think of some of the cars i couldve bought but at that time it was so normal it didnt phase me,I Couldve had a 2017 charger Hellcat that day for $61k The msrp was $72k and it was a nothing special of a deal 😂,Oh how i miss those times and cant wait for november 2024 to come ,This country needs big changes and november we will either get it back or if not what we see now is only the beginning...Red for Freedom people ,Blue for theis sewer we are currently in....

  • @previewcarschannel700
    @previewcarschannel700 8 месяцев назад

    Damn hope you enjoy it 🙌

  • @mikelugo848
    @mikelugo848 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great information and I stay away from know it all negative idiots

  • @Hey_Mr_E
    @Hey_Mr_E 9 месяцев назад +3

    As you previously said, if you can wrestle with Max on the deal, so can others as long as they can put the effort in. ✊