First-ever micro FPV drone with diversity ExpressLRS built in // NEWBEEDRONE ACROBEE65 BLV4
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00:00:00 - The problem with being innovaitve
00:01:46 - 0802 motors vs. 0702
00:03:09 - 19000 kv is "low kv" now?
00:04:49 - Built in ELRS receiver
00:06:05 - NBD messed up the release of this ELRS receiver
• Why it's so hard to bi... - How to bind/flash this receiver.
00:08:18 - At least the ELRS receiver is serial and not SPI. That's good.
• SPI-based ExpressLRS r... - What's wrong with SPI receviers?
00:08:41 - Proprietary motor plugs
00:09:37 - NBD software OSD pro's and con's
00:11:29 - 12A ESC
00:12:12 - What is "SmartMax" vTX?
00:13:50 - vTX output power test
• ImmersionRC RF Power M... - More about the ImmersionRC RF Power Meter
00:14:31 - Why is vTX power locked at 5 mW?!
00:15:06 - Back to the power testing!
00:17:24 - Flight testing
00:18:41 - The real reason the camera looks so bad
00:19:39 - It just doesn't have the power to pull out
00:20:57 - Big problem with washout
00:22:22 - Let's compare to the Mobeetle6
00:24:00 - They are VERY heavy
00:25:44 - Is NewBeeDrone the Apple of FPV?
• The most advanced 65mm... - My review of the Mobeetle6
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Here's Ahren Ciotti's approach to upgrading/improving this quad: ruclips.net/user/liveMWdIn2D9o_4?feature=share
Interesting approach, I haven' t flown a nbd AIO since the BeeBrain lite which was inovative as it actively slowed the (brushed) motors to feel closer to a brushless and was one of thee first to integrate the vtx into the fc. I fly my whoops more than my 5inch (generally 1-2 times a week for the past 5 years) and have been using an old bee eye camera for years and get comments all the time asking which camera i use. That being said the vtx and goggle receiver make a huge difference too, in this case more than most as you said. It would also have been nice to say whether the diversity receiver is spi or uart based after releasing the video on how some may not be supported in the future that could be a dealbreaker for me and others if the board isn't future proof, especially considering the price tag...
My longest lived drone ever was a newbeedrone acrobee. I flew it several times a month for 3 years. It accumulated HOURS of flight time, hundreds of batteries, without ever breaking anything. It still flew great right up until my dog finally caught it and broke the board. It was by far my best fun per $ fpv purchase.
Fuck phones without headphone jacks though
Agreed.
Mine has... But it's kinda big, so if I sit down with it in my pocket with headphones connected... It's going to stop working pretty fast. 😕
I already lost 2 headphones and those freaking things aren't getting cheaper...
Indeed, been trying to find a new phone, but none of them are selling with headphone jacks (that don't have other major issues).
And instead they're stuffing pens in there... what happened to the "there's just no space" excuse they used when they removed the headphone jack...
Recently got some KZ ZS10 Pro headphones only to realize my Fold 3 has no jack. My old phone had a jack, thanks apple.
Headphones without a wire might be very good in a business environment. People not seeing your headphone cable whilst on a call.
I agree when it comes to listening to music. wired is better.
@@pow9606 now people just walk up to me when I'm in a meeting though because it's less obvious unless I'm the one talking.
really nice to have a drone on the market now with diversity and expressLRS built in (nice)
I have loved my mob6 25000kv have had it over two years and still love it. Just wish they had the elrs ver soon when I got this one. Just have to get a newer one that has elrs. Thanks always for the content you provide us. Keep it up!!
You've got it Bro! The best whoop ever made and it's a reasonable price too! Newbeedrone whoops are always way overpriced! $160, WTF, they're NUTS! 😵💫😒
That's about $55 bucks more than a Mobula 6 with ELRS built in and a much better camera! And the Mobula6 KICKS ITS AS$! A way better flying whoop... We could buy 3 Mobula6's for the price of two Newbeedrone mediocre whoops! 💸💸💸 Fly away money with Newbeedrone!🤦
This thing looks so freaking fun oml.
Diggin the new music styles
I did comment to you earlier about my husband. I just wanted to thank you for all the information in this video. Take care...
Its crazy some companies don't just participate with ELRS from the git go.
Looks like a fun little drone 🎉
The music you used in the intro brought me back to the first video of yours I ever saw (Your tiny whoop roundup were you compared 4 different models), you used the same song at one point in that video too 😆
This review was great too! It definitely didn't feel 28 minutes long, it was enjoyable to watch and still very informative. That weight and the OSD problems would kind of be deal breakers for me but I'm sure this whoop is just as fun as any NBD whoop!
Tinywhoops with crossfire Nanos on em are where it's attttt 🔥🔥🔥
Fantastic flying and review, Joshua! 😃
The FC sounds really interesting, but... With the OSD issue... I don't know...
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Hey jb. Thanks for this vidio. I have 2 of the humming bird. I hardly fly them. I even put the new 25000 kv motors on that newbie drone has. And that really didn't help any. Except that it could turtle mode. But the punch out still not there. I always thought that they were just to heavy for freestyle.
Keeps ripping my brother!!!!!
I just put the tiny whoop danger onsies on my mob 6 and 7. 30k and 27k respectively, and WOW, its a whole different quad. I have an 85% motor limit on both. the mob 7 is too much to regularly fly indoors, but outside its awesome on 1s.
Thank you for this one. And the duo one with ciotti. I'm going with the 4 grams from hdzero.
Great video thank u.
Great review as always! My first FPV drone was a Newbeedrone Whoop.
That said, Mobula for the win! :D
Reminds me of my old NBD whoop.
- Heavy frame.
- Annoying custom motor and camera plugs.
- Terrible image and OSD.
- Custom version of Betaflight.
The one good thing about it was that the motors had solder tabs.
Mixing and matching Happymodel parts into a BetaFPV frame turned out to be the best option.
I do like the NBD BeeBrain V2 canopies though.
I use the trusted ex0802s 25k on my build and I get when i extremely push it 3min 30sek on a tattu 300mah so its really good actually. usually, I get close to 4 minutes indoors. My build weight is 22 grams and its a 75mm. 19k is just to little thrust nowadays
As someone who's only flown my stock mobula6, your build sounds awesome! I'm curious, which 75mm frame do you use? And do you use BT2.0 batteries?
Copped Me that JB edition. That means I get to sleep in your garage for a weekend.
Salute Bradda
Love 99% percent of your content and ALWAYS look at your reviews before purchase, if said review exist. My first lil dude was a Mobula6 with a Zorro.Then Moblite6 and Moblite7. Then, then after 6-8 purchases...Bam! NBD had a brushed thingy with a PMB tune, holy crap! It was inexpensive..like 50.00. Gold motors (bought extra) and broke two. One was my fault. Got a second from WeBleedFpV (full price, so what). So I got some brushed without PMB tune too. So I got issues with money /value hahaha. Point is: This is fun shit and even if I break stuff, oh well, fix it. Fly again. Also Brushless is King for many reasons, but Brushed has something I can't describe. Also, whoever does the PMB tune is magical. It is quick, not fast. Yaw is wild and ....
I want to see a whoop edit!! It would be awesome!
Unfortunately my first experience with dual receivers was terrible. Half of the receiver stopped working and I failsafed twice until I put an ep1 back and all was good again. May be redundancy but it's also an additional point of failure
Rip it apart and use it for a badass start to a toothpick build. That's what I did with the BLV3
That yaw twitch is in the blv3 too. Can't tune it out. But then again I got a twitching esc from new.
Newbeedrone definitely is the Apple of whoops.
Thanks JB! I hope NBD can fix this! How would they? New FW I'm not sure!
I want to see a review of their TBS version of this quad, with integrated CRSF.
Great review as always JB. What was the NBD reason for the flaky OSD? Is there some firmware fix coming?
159 for an analog whoop when I can get an Mobula 6 HDZero for 199. Mobula comes with extra blades, an extra canopy, and a nice case. And don't get me started on Newbeedrone’s customer service
Yeah, I wasn't impressed with the Hummingbird F4 Pro, either. Really interesting to know that it's the vtx and not the camera. I've been deep diving into whoops lately and just built in 18 g 702 26000kv rig that flies better than anything I've flown in that class. I noticed a lot of the racers were going with the bee eye camera, and I just couldn't figure out why. The tiny whoop pinch camera is fantastic, especially for the size and weight.
The proprietary connectors bug me as well. I wanted to build a mosquito with their flight controller in camera, but with slightly bigger motors, and had to solder new plugs. 😕
VTX idea does seem cool, but it also doesn't seem like anything that's been necessary, in my experience.
25g is nuts. I tell people now, if you can stay below 20 g with higher KV motors and low pitch props, you'll have a winning formula.
I need this for when I hardcore rip some wicked bando or fly ultra long range with a Whoop
8:22 NBD motors when bought separately do come with the normal motor plugs found on all other whoop boards. And I know Jesse Perkins actually had a thing on his shop showing NBD specific plugs for free and he goes on a rant of how silly it is in the item description 😂
Also NBD does sell their specific motor plug as well. It's a lot of easier now that most motors have the PCB board on the motor base now so it's easier to swap plug types around on motors. NBD has the PCB board on their motors now too.
Would love to see a Tiny Whoop buyers guide! Like the dive you did there when it YAW'ed out. like noone will know that until they waste 150 bucks on one
They're more expensive than that! 👎
@@KOrnhOliO1 ok
I actually just emailed NBD support about BF v4.4 support and when to expect it for their hummingbird pro 1s aio fc. We will see what they come back with. Agree that NBD misses the marks here on their new whoop. 24g dry weight is unacceptable for an analog 65mm whoop.
Newbeedrone usually has really good build quality, but they sometimes make some strange choices that can cause you problems down the line if you want to upgrade a component or replace something that has broken. I have a couple older hummingbirds, one is even brushed, and they both still fly, but the brushless one does way better as a 75mm build with those 1800kv motors.
They have terrible build quality for me at least... every one of there motors has burnt, frames broke, and cameras fried. they are a sellout company. i liked them when they were actually on there own.
@@JakeFPV. to be fair, I haven't bought anything bigger than props and antennas from them for a few years, and I have had problems with lenses falling off their cameras, so pinch as much salt in my earlier comment as you like.
I still want a headphone jack on my phone though
Maybe 2024 will be NewBeeDrone's year...
Hello, good video, I know you have a lot of experience with 1s drones and I would like to ask you, which of the ones you have tried currently is your favorite or the best at the moment?
I don't mind the motor connectors on a tiny whoop - easier to service than attempting to solder with my 62 year sold eyes.
this may be silly question but is there any way to know which receiver is being used in a drone, like plug in and show you the info of receiver?? cause i have few drones which i got from one of my friend and dont know how to bind as i dont know the receiver used.
Unlike some of the other reviewers & consultants on YT, you cover all aspect of the present day drone tech… regardless of their size or your own preferences… Thanks for the honest review… NBD makes good stuff but also needs to standardize their stuff for comparability… I always though their camera was crappy and never bought one until now watching your video I realized it’s the VTX and not the camera… I like their motors and their reliable canopies… 👍🏼 ah forgot to mention their AZI props… Best in the class hands down. I also feel these quads aLthough are heavy compared to Mobula’s, will perform a lot better with BT2.0.
It's not disagreement on the motors - if you take a smaller motor and make it do the same work as a larger one I would expect components to derate faster, and most derating curves are non-linear. It's like using a smaller tire on a car, it's going to rotate more times on less rubber, wearing out faster than larger ones (given similar dimensions otherwise) for the same given distance traveled (or in the drone's case, hours ran on a given size motor).
Hi Joshua. I’m a new pilot and I came across “diatone mamba toka” motors. Can you make a video about them? They are 16grams (European) 1700kv
Joshua, your monitor reflection in your glasses hurts my eyes. Can you do anything about it in future vids? monitor brightness / off / angled glass shield in front?
They are up to 4.3.2 now.
Whaaat? I have some tinywhoops and micros with ceramic and flat ELRS antennas, never had a single failsafe!! Why in the earth they opted for external dipole antenna, and not only 1, but 2??? Why why why!!! With ceramic/flat antennas, even with 200-400mw vtx the range of the radio will still be longer than the video.. crazy choice!!!
Used Newbeedrone hummingbirds 4 sale in 321...
I’ve got an extra 6in1 esc but would like to use it on a regular quad is it possible and how?
appreciate the honesty, when i first got into fpv and whoops, no one was knocking newbeedrone for their products, seemed everyone was touting them as the best thing then, what a rip off lol, i wasted money on a few quads from them, only reliable product was the brushed project mocking bird hummingbird whoop, i wanted to love thier brushless whoops, i did i wanted, but 4 hummingbird brushless that lasted a day or so, and the beebrain that never got off the ground really since i got it. ah man that cockroach frame, ugh, yea who wants to be changing the components over to a new frame every couple batteries. in the end, most the issues i had with their flight controllers, between esc and vtx issues. yea they were willing to help me and replace the parts, but i got tired of that. spent more time not flying them. come on newbeedrone, we wanna love you like we did in the brushed days.
Hello, My husband flies the Cinelog25 from GepRc. I want to buy him another one, which one do you recommend for indoor and outdoor flying. Thank you in advance.
Is that a kia carnival I'm waiting my new one to rock up?
Is it possible to put elrs firmware on the crossfire version? Googles says i can use crossfire and elrs together but a buddy is hooking me up with this in a csfr version but i only have a elrs transmitter and im not sure how itd be possible
The new Meteor 65 pro has the same kind of elrs built into that board kind of like the board in the Acrobee but the Meteor board can use other motors not just new bee drone and the board is only 40$ not 100 like new bee drone but also no built in vtx
hey is there a global shortage or something still going on? I've been out of the hobby for a while and just bought the dji v2 cause there on sale and looks like everything is out of stock on most websites? scared to buy from anywhere but canada I got nailed with duty and made my mobula 6 cost way more than expected. kinda sucks
Is this diversity receiver or diversity antenna on one receiver?
Does the HDZero goggle overexpose the analog feed?! There was an issue reported. Even the cam from the Mobeetle was overexposed and in the previous review it was not
Anyway, nice comparison. NBD seems like a higher quality manufacture and they try new things, which is nice, but I think they should focus on user experience, too. The drones are in the same weight territory as the Mobula 6 HD (HD video - big plus) and almost the price to the Mob6 HD. NBD makes it certainly harder to upgrade (motors, firmware...) compared to the others. It is great to see 12A ESC (good for Toothpick), a smart VTx, BUT BUT BUT
Hello from India 🙋🏻♂️🙋🏻♂️🙋🏻♂️.. what is the best flight controller for 3” cinewhoop build acc. to you..
JB, the blowing out image is a result of the HDZ goggles not the camera or OSD. I am having the exact same issue on my moblite6 with diamond f4 and runcam nano 3 while I did not have the issue on my skyzone 04x's or DJI V2's with analog input. I posted on the hdzero facebook group and there were quite a few that said updating the firmware helps but not completely. In my case it didn't help much at all and yes I tried a brand new camera and VTX.
I've had probably a half-dozen runcam Nano 3 and a couple older bee eye cams and I get the black hole sun in my 04x's.🤷🏼♂️ Now I use the tiny whoop pinch camera primarily, but also have used the 1200tvl flywoo cam, and the caddx ant lite, and I never get that effect. Same thing would happen if I flew through my dimly-lit house and suddenly came up upon a bare light bulb.
The new version of BetaFPV meteor65 just seems to bee all around better than this whoop! Or am I missing something?
The 2022 meteor65 also has UART ELRS and high Vtx power. AND it is much cheeper. Is there anything to recommend the NBD over metor65?
Hi,
I wish to clean my brushless motor by removing the dust/sand !!
What do you think about cleaning the 0802 brushless motor by using
99.9% Isopropyl Alcohol Electronics Cleaner in spray can ?
Does the Isopropyl Alcohol will remove the grease of the bearings ??
If yes do you have a better solution ??
Hey JB could you make a video on how to unlock the power modes for vista air units on goggles 2? I've been trying with the V2 method but it doesn't seem to work because the menus are different. There is no power option on the goggles 2
When used with goggles 2, you cannot manually change output power.
@@JoshuaBardwell oohh...that's a shame...I don't own the v2 😕 thanks for the answer!
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Josh, this might sound odd, but have you ever came across fibre optic drone wiring systems?
I haven't, no.
Can you build a quad with speedybee F7 FC and master 5 hd frame with dji 03 air. please
Different frame but otherwise identical to your request ruclips.net/video/SOOSyyIQuKc/видео.html
The white out is an issue with Hdzero goggles
I always think that 0802 is way too heavy for a 65mm. i actually downsized to 0703 16420kv motors from newbeedrone and it just performs better. it has good punch, and better flight time, about 3mins and 30sec.
The weight is the killer for the newbee drone
That is true, but also that extreme fisheye camera! Ugh!
@@KOrnhOliO1 agreed! The motor plug thing as well. 3 strikes... 4 of you don't like the kv. It's a turd.
i've crashed my cockroach frame probably 100 times onto rocks, concrete and have yet to crack it and it's cold out... not sure how some people are breaking them so often.
i will never buy an aio without blackbox. first of all no company delivers their rtf drones with a perfect tuning, shown propwash supports my point. even if they would, swapping the aio would always lead to a sub perfect build.
Maybe a few too many new things at once... That OSD messing up the video quality is quite terrible. I wonder if they'll be able to fix that or is the what ever they use for OSD just that bad.
Happymodel has a whoop board for some time now with everything this has, without any of the drawbacks, except for no diversity ELRS. So I'm sitting here wondering why I would ever need a diversity ELRS receiver on a whoop and I just can't find any. So Happymodel it is for me.
The happy model diamond is reported by some to have durabity issues.
@@JoshuaBardwell I meant the X12 ELRS v2.1 AIO. Only drawback I can see with it is SPI ELRS. I can't speak much about reliability since I just have the one.
Agreed! ELRS already has killer range... More than we'd ever need with a whoop! Why do we need diversity? No reason!
@@JoshuaBardwell It's probably because out of the hundreds of thousands of users of the diamond board we are bound to here about some failing. It's such a popular AIO FC.
I got whoops I been able to do 10mins. I still can't get out of elrs range lol
Hi Joshua We installed the O3 air unit at the end of the battery and it is randomly shutting off and crashing. It might be because it is getting 9 volts, should we solder the voltage cable directly to the ESC. Thank you for your help
I would least give that a try.
@@JoshuaBardwell solder it to the pad where the battery lead is?
Correct. As long as the voltage is between 2S and 6S.
Thank you it worked perfectly
I want to buy goggles and mini dron. Which google is comparable for this drone?
Mega tight jb
AIO boards are just too much of a hassle to me. As tiny as receivers are now I just wish they’d keep the receiver separate.
random but would you prefer the tango 2 or the mambo for someone who wants crsf
Neither. I prefer a radio that can run EdgeTX.
@@JoshuaBardwell what is a 100-150$ controller with edge tx that i could put any module on the back of. Thx
Radiomaster Boxer.
@@JoshuaBardwell so sorry last question 4-1 or elrs
With smaller Kv they probably are going for the flight duration but then why 3 blades?! The opposite is also true.
Also why a diversity ELRS when the analog feed is going to die way before ELRS will almost for sure (prove me wrong)?!
hd version of this would be nice
what goggles can you use i have your TX16S elrs and have dji v2 goggles i wanna buy 1
These small quads won’t work with DJI. Their video transmitters are too large/heavy to fit into anything this small
Can I get an analog adapter?
@@TheExcile009 they definitely exist. They mount onto the front of the goggles or maybe into the strap. I don’t know what brands there are/ who makes good ones, but I’m sure if you googled like analog to DJI adapter you’d find plenty from the normal sites
Haha, Apple and compelling in the same sentence.
As somebody who loves options and doing it myself, Apple is the antithesis of what I'd ever want. They've only ever served to sabotage the things I like.
I still want a headphone jack
I send you message after message I guess you do not care about the new RunCam Falcon vista unit its small the lightest and 4:3 native sensor at 1920 x 1080 120 fps capture too 780p 120 fps capture with a rolling shutter it is by far the best unit for racing and free style has a consistent pattern like anolog the 4:3 is incredible so fast you guys are missing out way way better then the 03 unit its 4:3 native sensor
A lot of phones are putting the headphone jack back on now days. Just to be fair.
also a warning for yall spi receivers are bad heres why if you dont ever upate the betaflight and then want to use a new radio and need to relink them guess what the new beta flight wont let you do it.. youll have to find and download a old version of beta flight if you can find it then once done you have to reinstall the new version its a pain.. so keep up those updates or else youll probably never get your radio bound ever again i have a ura65 and cant find a version that binds it i think it has 3.1 fw so i need the configurator in exe format not that hex stuff anyone know where i can find it?
Newbeedrone's specs on the BB V4 say that the elrs receiver is uart-based and not spi. It shouldn't have those update issues, but we'll see.
@@tm55re yeah, it's not SPI based, but it only flies average. It's too heavy, and I got one, hate that super fisheye lens! And, don't get me started on the ridiculous price of $160 for a mediocre whoop! FUCK that! 🤬💯🤮
I just want manifacturers would give some more options for us.. i fly frsky with tbs crsf and all micros nowdays are elrs .. and i refuse to buy new transmitter. Every 2 years something new comes out like elrs and older stuff that we own gets forgotten. I hate that.and i know elrs is performing better but range om video is still weaker and cant fly further..
Im going to use my DX9 with Crossfire for the rest of my life... There's just no benefit for me to change it even though new stuff is always coming out.
@@smooth_ops2942 saaaame but everywhere they are forcing elrs.. so yea im leaving micros behind.. been flying them since brushed whoops but now im out.. just 5inch custom builds. Theese hobbies are becoming too expensive just like transition to digital goggles . Analog you could have any brand you want for vtx and now we have 5 differend protocols and everyone uses different goggles
My Acrobee 65 25Mw range is zero. I have to set it to the highest possible output power in order to fly around a gymnasium.
I absolutely hate that my phone doesn't have a headphone jack.
but why
walking a slackline? try shorten the distance from the ratcht to the tree... you will have better experience...
New bee drone stated that disarm low power was enabled bc vtx was damaging yet later that the vtx can self regulate to not destruct…sounds contradictory
Sounds like a good point, I wonder though if maybe only the "smart VTX" feature goes into effect once you've armed? 🤔
Because that would make sense and help combat newbies from frying something.
First? nope #500th like.
Headphone jack is seriously necessary. There is no reason to remove it. It sucks!!
in short.. just don't get it :)
Why on earth would you decide your tiny whoop needs diversity on the radio link??? Even basic, non-diversity ELRS will outrun your video long before you're even close to failsafe.
theres innovating, then theres needlessly making it difficult or impossible to use simple interfacing, with literally no upside. a cable works, Apple, CABLES HAVE ALWAYS WORKED, SAMSUNG
EVERYONE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, CABLES STILL WORK
Won’t buy either of new bee drone , to much trouble .
no headphone jack sucks!