"Genesis depreciation" is actually much more in-line with the rest of the luxury car world at this point. They hold their value much better than they ever have before...and still a f-ton better than Cadillac.
My 2015 is literally silent inside, lotus did a great job balancing handling and comfort on the previous style, not sure if they designed the chassis on this new one
@@barbecuetechtips6024 I'm pretty sure they tried to exceed the K900, at least with the V-6 version. It reminds me of an early Lexus LS, though without the V-8. It's no doubt quicker, probably roomier (expectations having changed), and even more elegant. It's such a nice interior.
@@dwadd7528 Yea? You point? A lexus is just a toyota, Acura is just a Honda, infiniti is just a Nissan, Audi is just a VW, Lamborghini is just a VW, and Bugatti is just a VW. A good car is a good car, why do you choose to spread your butt cheeks for brands?
@@StuninRub its Hyundai. that's my point. Hyundai KIA cut corners like crazy. thats why the resale value almost nothing. if you like to drive Fake chinese(or Korean) copy, go ahead.
Another outstanding review from the very best. No "Demuro" type of clowning nor 500 words per minute speech. Please keep doing what you're doing. Happy Holidays!
Best used car bargain on the market! 2016 G80 Technology pkg, bought in 08/2019 for $22k CDN ($17,200 USD) with 77,000 kms (48k miles). Perfect history. The depreciation gods are smiling!
Good for you Kris Cote. May you live a healthy and a long life to happily enjoy your G80. It's always to read and hear a good story - which is becoming increasingly rare. Congratulations bro.
@@sshah2545 I love it. He's normally dry, but every now and then, hahahahah, it's great comedy. I totally appreciate he's working to entertain us. I am abundantly entertained.
Absolute BEST car review channel on YT. Love your format/approach to your videos, CANDID words, and the depth in which you go into the details. Thanks, Rich.
To be honestly they really haven’t. They screwed themselves by trying to upscale Hyundai with the Genesis and Eqqus then turning one upscale model into a brand. They also have a horrible dealer network and most of them are connected to Hyundai which buyers looking for luxury cars won’t stop at. They needed to go the Honda/Acura route and make a luxury division from the start. Acura was so successful it was outselling Mercedes and BMW when it came out, so then Toyota copied with Lexus and Nissan copied with INFINITI, all solely due to how successful Acura was as a Japanese luxury brand. So Genesis really hasn’t done anything. They make beautiful cars for sure but no one is buying them because no one knows where to buy one and the general public doesn’t know what Genesis is.
@@MrCYChung what :D did you even watch the review? their reliability, like Hyundais is right next to likes of Toyota. I would love to buy one if they would be sold in Europe. I find German cars soooo boring that anything else seems like a breath of fresh air. Nice Mustang on your profile pic though, some of those have luckily made here as well.
I think Genesis made some good improvements with this gen, most notable being the development of its own unique design language. No one can say this looks like "everything else", for better or worse.
You would think. But plenty people do on Genesis ads on my FB. They're projecting that onto their own biases because this car has its own unique design language as you state.
@@benjaminsmith2287 it's frustrating. It's just a special criticism reserved for Korean products I suppose. And then when Hyundai does make something unique, it's "ugly". They can't win I suppose lol
All of your car reviews are always a pleasure to watch. The Genesis brand is really on its A game with its newer product, the G80 and GV80 are no exceptions to this. I’d love to see your full in depth reviews on other hotly anticipated new vehicles like the new Chevrolet Suburban and Ford F-150. Keep up the good reviews!
When I bot a 335d in '11, I called local BMW dealer asking for quote for oil service. He said, "$235". After I hung up, he called back apologizing for misquoting the price. I was momentarily relieved, but then he said, "I was wrong. It's $285." Later, at the parts counter, I was charged $16 for a liter of DEF in BMW's special, non-reusable filler neck bottle. Reminded me of the old joke where a sales clerk said to a customer, "Thank you for not saying anything about my hunched back." The customer replied, "Hunched back? Hell, everything else in here is so high, I thought it was your ass!"
Another great review. I'm not crazy about that humongous grill. The flip side of the depreciation problem is affordability on the used car market. I bought a 2016 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 in February and got a really quiet, luxurious, well-appointed car with over 20,000 miles left on the factory warranty for just under $22k. I love the torque, effortless acceleration and sound of the naturally aspirated 3.8L V6. It's the quietest car I've ever owned and has a terrific 15-speaker sound system. The clarity and sound stage is awesome and the bluetooth connection is much faster than the one in my 2014 Accord. It's not as agile as my Accord, so I totally agree about the handling. It feels like a big car and doesn't corner as responsively as I'd like. There's a little creak from the panoramic sunroof on cold mornings with the shade open, but you can close it and the noise goes away. That's my only gripe. Despite the lack of premium dealer experience, the build quality is excellent. According to CR, the Hyundai and Genesis brands are more reliable and have better customer satisfaction ratings than Honda, Acura, Cadillac and most other brands. It's a solid value all around.
The previous G80 was amazing. I rented a 5.0 Ultimate on Turo and was floored by how smooth and quiet it was. I'm happy to see Genesis is still providing comfort first.
A+ on the cinematography, music, editing and overall content (of course). You always have superb videos... but this one is among the best of 2020. The music gave it a Hitchcock feel. I liked the “night time” shot that shows the interior lighting. I would like to see that in all of your reviews. Good work!
@@hissingoose and how do you know that? Lol. There are plenty of Lexus’s in the shop of who have under 100k miles. Being a Lexus fanboy isn’t an argument....
@@JacesOwnWorld track record. Outliers don't define the rule. And the rule is Toyota is still world leading in reliability. Due to everything from engineering to assembly line to factory worker ethics.
@@JacesOwnWorld i've never owned or long term driven a toyota product in my life, but drive roughly 90,000kms per year. i've also worked for and been invested in companies that run independent fleets of dozens of vehicles that do similar yearly mileage. most had a minimum spec that vehicles needed to last 400,000kms with minimal maintenance. I've yet to run into a fleet controller that would take a dozen sonotas over a dozen camry's with that target mileage in mind. you on the other sure sound like a fanboy... i could be wrong. i try not to make assumptions about people i don't know.
5:06 manual peasant blockers demo had me crying! I think Genesis is nailing these new products. They are designing and tuning for the market segment, hitting the nail on the head. The dealership experience is a huge failing. That alone will kill it for many. Lexus makes a great product, but the dealer experiences of all the luxury brands is a big reason we go back and buy and lease continually.
Lol, I laughed out loud when I watched that part. I understand the dealership experience part, but I have to be honest, at least here in Seattle, the nearby Mercedes and Audi dealership experience has also been a bit crap. One of the bmw dealership is good, but the other less so. Maybe not traditional Hyundai or (worse) Nissan bad, but… it narrows the gap. (I have ownership and shopping experience with all the above). My main point is… between their competitors failing and Genesis pushing upward, they’re steadily closing the gap. Kind of cool to watch it happen, tbh.
Lol, I laughed out loud when I watched that part. I understand the dealership experience part, but I have to be honest, at least here in Seattle, the nearby Mercedes and Audi dealership experience has also been a bit crap. One of the bmw dealership is good, but the other less so. Maybe not traditional Hyundai or (worse) Nissan bad, but… it narrows the gap. (I have ownership and shopping experience with all the above). My main point is… between their competitors failing and Genesis pushing upward, they’re steadily closing the gap. Kind of cool to watch it happen, tbh.
The top waterfall is a frequency response chart where the second graph is on the back and towards you is a timeaxis. Idealy the frequency graph is smooth and it dampens out in time, the lower frequencies rumble on a bit. The bottom graph is harmonic distortion and that should be low.
The way you guys discussed/analyzed this vehicle, and the company as a whole, was superb. Hyundai/Genesis would be wise to meet with you in a boardroom and consult over these points/topics.
The current K900 is actually derived from the Stinger's platform, which itself is a derivation of the DH Genesis platform. We'll have to see if Kia is actually excluded - I'm sure they'd like to use the new platform for a Mohave replacement.
Superb video again. Intro was amazing. Yet it is still savage enough, with you messing with the shades and Jack rocking in the back seat. This car will trun some heads and it offers all you need.
I bought a G70 last year. The car is fantastic but he dealer experience is atrocious. None were interested to find me the car I really wanted and I ended up buying one in Arizona and have it shipped to TN. Valet service is a nice touch but each service had issues, they really need to work on the dealership experience.
The G80 stomps the Lexus... The ES is filled with hard plastics, its infotainment is crap as usual, it seems its quite heavy, and built on McPherson strut FWD platform... The least noble of configurations for a premium sedan. The G80 on the other hand ticks all the boxes. The interior is lauded. Some even saying is on par with Porsches on fit and finish. Nicely padded materials all over the place. RWD and fully independent suspension, so, better driving dynamics than the ES at least. Longer warranty and quite a decent track reliability wise. And its quite a lot more exclusive right now since its not selling as much as the competition. The G80 just stomps the ES. The ES probably has very little aspects in favour. The hybrid is quite efficient and refined. But you can get that from a Camry too. And being a simpler car will probably make it a more reliable and economic car to own. One of those double wishbone arms in the G80 probably cost more than the entire front suspension on the Lex.
@@agreatd what didn’t they poach! Kia, Hyundai,Genesis or any other Chinese brand has not invented tech but used the innovations from the leaders. Reason why it’s cheaper. Before all your keyboard warriors start know you facts
21:21 - I bought my 2015 5.0L in part due to your review on the car a few years ago. It really bummed me out as you described how close you got to buying one. It has become the very best vehicle I have ever owned, so I hope you give them another shot some day. Cheers!
I bought a 2015 3.8L. Nice car but the temperature control regulation of the car left a lot to be desired as it blew cold air once the cabin heated up. Traded it in for a Truck.
Nice car. Have you ever put Shell V- power nitro+ 91 octane premium on your 3.8 L if so did it make a difference/have you noticed a difference in performamce vs the other brands premium octane & 87 ?
This new G80, despite the added power of the 3.5T and reduction in weight, is slower to 60mph and the 1/4 mile when compared to the 2018-2020 G80 Sport with the 3.3T. That car weighed 300lbs more than this new one. Not sure if the new transmission tuning has something to do with it, or if this new engine's combustion is being restricted for emission purposes. Could also explain why Hyundai/Kia opted not to feature this engine in the G70 and Stinger. Perhaps it needs extra tuning and is not yet ready for prime time performance like the 3.3T. Any thoughts on this, Savagegeese?
Beautiful car and likely very reliable - Mercedes and BMW need to take note. I am personally fed up with poor German reliability, high parts pricing and a consistently poor service experience based on the 4 German cars that we have leased over the past 8 years.
This is a super quality review. Especially when you cover what it looks like below and an overview of the suspensions. Impressive. With that said I wish Genesis went with hybrid lineup instead of turbo.
We went from last gen G80 to Volvo XC90. Absolutely love the XC90, would be an easy re-lease, however, I do miss the quietness of the 80, so we may get lured back in the next two years, maybe to the SUV or even back into the G80. For us, it was the level of luxury, refinement for the dollar and lack of brand recognition/public perception. I place a high value on Genesis' ability to provide higher levels of luxury while laying low. The Bowers system in the XC90 is incredible, but the Lexicon is no slouch either and the isolated interior certainly helps. Amazing review as always.
Hard to find a black on black 3.5T RWD Prestige trim in the Houston area right now. And in general it would appear the dealers aren't negotiating off MSRP, in fact it appears the early adopters are paying coupla thousand dollars above MSRP. Back to shopping for a 2021 Lexus ES 350 Luxury for me...
Oh please buy one. I have the 2018 G80. That is a gem of a car. There is a reason they don't make anymore GS. mmmmm. I know one of them because I owned 3. One 3rd gen. 2 4th generation. I drove Lexus for 20 yrs until I went for another GS my dealer of 20 yrs said no mo. They are discontinued. Yes the GS is done. My own dealer said hey go buy that G80. It's better than the GS an that's one of the reasons that the GS is going ghost. One of the reasons. The other? They jus didn't sale. But that G80 or the one I have now? Does knock the GS out. I've drove those GS's. Had my GENISIS FOR 2 YRS NOW. I will have the 2021 in November of 21. The best thing happened to me is the GS got discontinued and I loved my GS. Lexus the company is lazy. Great cars reliable but lazy. Trying to take ur money for less car. Genisis which is a excellent car gives you more for your money. Go figure.
oooO guys genesis is doing THAT well that some random comment says they have 70k they could drop on this car maybe we should take genesis serious now huh??🤔
@@obturate3965 I moved to the west coast and only miss it when I watch these videos and when looking at home prices. Everything else is so much better here.
@@explodeder Not sure you should miss the home prices in Illinois. Property taxes are among the highest in the nation, and home ownership may not be a wise financial move. I expect to eventually sell my home at a loss after over 20 years of blood, sweat and tears improving it. At least on the west coast your home may increase in value. Nope, there is nothing to like about Illinois.
@@obturate3965 You’re probably right. And realistically I’m never going to move back. That being said, I could buy a decent home in Central Illinois outright with the profit I’d make off of the house we bought in 2016.
@@explodeder The state of Illinois could be great with its fertile soil and hard working people (at least downstate), but I am afraid the politicians have damaged it beyond recovery.
I looked at the 2017/2018 used prices and they’re not as cheap as everyone thought. The rate of depreciation is really not any greater than comparable bmws. But I’m sure they’re much more reliable than a comparable bmw.
i looked at the Genesis platform. talked to someone in the dealership who was there for a service. his big complaint was that the Genesis platform needs its own dedicated dealerships. he was frustrated with getting service at hyundai dealerships and mentioned getting repairs can be a pain.
There's a reason I'm subscribed to this channel, and that is because you guys share something in common with me. We all appreciate the finer things in life when it comes to cars. You are car enthusiasts while not going stupid overboard like some of those Brits do. You two are sensible and practical American car enthusiasts with whom I can greatly relate to. That being said, your perspective on the G80 is a little skewed. You mentioned that the top engine in the G80 isn't as great as the top engines in the Germans'. Yes, that is a true statement but do you think that a buyer looking at the G80 is thinking in those terms? I don't think someone looking at a M550i or M5 is cross shopping a G80.
Rented the base model 2023 recently and drove 500 miles. Was great on gas, non branded speakers were above average and love that the exterior lights fade in and out opposed to just turning on and off. The self driving features and lane keep assist I had to turn off since it was very aggressive and made it appear as if I was driving distracted. Apple carplay disconnected often and wireless carplay wasn't an option. Turning radius is worst than a large suv, if you're making a u-turn or parking in a tight spot it requires some extra attention. The latest Avalon and ES350 felt quieter and had a much smoother drivetrain imo.
I agree with everything you said except for the identity. I think finally Genesis has found their identity. GV70 G70 GV80 G80 they now look like a part of the family. 2 lines will be what describes Genesis in the future.
From what other reviewers have said that tested the dBs, the cabin is the second quietest vehicle they have ever tested. Only bested by a Mercedes S Class Maybach I believe.
thats just nonsense... This car is nowhere near a standard S-Class, A8 or 7-series in the refinement chapter. Including noise insulation. And theres even the G90 to account for... What, are the folks at Genesis crazy and made the mid size sedan better than the full sized one? Absolute nonsense. Any of the 6L E Class hybrid Mercs are probably even more quiet than this due to the superior powertrain. Volvos are insanely quiet too. DB count does nothing. A single variable test is incapable of determining the noise level of a cars cabin. Not that long ago Ford Fusions and S-Max used to be top 10 in these lists, and those cars are not top 10 on noise insulation in real life.
@@AI-qd4vb Next time, come with facts, not your overblown German car worship. I'll take the word of actual car experts that test these kind of things for a living over someone who obviously loves German cars above all else.
I actually love the design. Looks modern in an almost futuristic way. Every so slightly ahead of the curve and obviously upscale. At least it's interesting to look at. Far better than bland.
I re-winded several times but I am still unclear if you dig or zunk the Lexicon sound system. Does it meet or beat your expectations or is it falling wellshort? Nevermind the display quality. Thanks.
Its measures and sounds better than all the other Harmon International systems. Need he say more? Harman markets its products under various brands, including AKG, AMX, Arcam,[5] Bang & Olufsen Automotive, Becker, BSS Audio, Crown, dbx, DigiTech, Harman Kardon, Infinity, JBL, Lexicon, Mark Levinson, Martin, Revel, Soundcraft and Studer. With that revelation, this should be the top 1% of car audiophile systems.
I was anticipating getting a GV80 but, like your experience, my dealership experience from just discussing the vehicle did not go as I expected. I decided not to wait and instead got a 2021 BMW X5 xDrive 45e. The BMW drives amazingly, but has a very small 2nd row. Perhaps in 3 years Genesis will have worked out their dealership experience and I will consider them.
Have they fixed the defects in the hybrid BMWs yet? Heard it was an issue. Come to think of it, seems to be an issue with a lot of hybrids and new EVs from traditional ICE manufacturers.
I definitely agree. I currently own a G80 and have to get it serviced at a Hyundai dealership. Don't get me wrong, I love Hyundais. But it's just straight up weird when my loaner vehicle is an Elantra or Accent.
I totally agree with Mark at the end in regards to the dealer network. I walk into KIA with a check and they’re treating me like some punk wasting time and being oddly rude. Lexus experience across the street in comparison were so friendly and inviting. This stuff matters, especially if Hyundai is serious about competing with the established brands.
Read a rumor over on Parlor that Jack and Turbowski have been scheming behind your back and are planning their own auto review channel titled Furious Ducks.
I think the depreciation part will be better with this generation. Since the first gen had some identity crisis. This one along with newer models from genesis have much more consistency. Plus they just look more luxurious.
If you take away the main advantage this car has and then say "which car is better?", of course it will be the other one, the G90. And the G90 SHOULD be better; it's much more expensive. The Mercedes S Class will be much better than either of them, and the Maybach will be better than that, and the Rolls-Royce better still. And the Nissan Versa will be worse than any of them.
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"Genesis depreciation" is actually much more in-line with the rest of the luxury car world at this point. They hold their value much better than they ever have before...and still a f-ton better than Cadillac.
Genesis a totally worth every penny
Say it loud for the people in the back. 🫨
I just found Savagegeese. The attention to detail and honesty in these reviews is invaluable and rare on youtube.
We all had the very same feeling, the first time we tuned in to Mark....Welcome to the Savagegeese Show my friend!!
You mean you don't like the cookie and penguin scores 😉
When did you get out of jail? Or did aliens have you? Lol welcome home!
Go watch some of the older videos with turbowski. Some funny stuff.
@@luisamoa2500 well, some people love hot hatch, others prefer hot hag
This is the clearest I’ve heard the in-car conversation. The cabin noise must be super low
The 2018 was already quiet. I imagine how much better it is now...
I wonder if its at quiet as the K900. Which seemed to be the bench mark from KIA for quietness that rivaled the S class.
My 2015 is literally silent inside, lotus did a great job balancing handling and comfort on the previous style, not sure if they designed the chassis on this new one
@@barbecuetechtips6024 I'm pretty sure they tried to exceed the K900, at least with the V-6 version. It reminds me of an early Lexus LS, though without the V-8. It's no doubt quicker, probably roomier (expectations having changed), and even more elegant. It's such a nice interior.
have you seen anyone review any electric cars?
Mark: "This BIG KNOB feels amazing."
LMFAO....he looks like the type who held a couple
"That's what she said"
he said "huge rotary knob" and there was no subtext at all.
you made this up just for youtube comment section likes lol
@@splak_5624 LMFAO...i didn't bother watching...he just makes all interesting
The Goose Master should have eleventy billion subs.
I’m sure the average person coming from a 10-year-old Altima or accord would have no problem with the entertainment system
Or any Lexus, for that matter.
Exactly. I have a 03 FX35 with 300k miles on it, even the new Elantra would be a a huge upgrade for me 😂
its a Hyundai.....
@@dwadd7528 Yea? You point? A lexus is just a toyota, Acura is just a Honda, infiniti is just a Nissan, Audi is just a VW, Lamborghini is just a VW, and Bugatti is just a VW.
A good car is a good car, why do you choose to spread your butt cheeks for brands?
@@StuninRub its Hyundai. that's my point.
Hyundai KIA cut corners like crazy. thats why the resale value almost nothing. if you like to drive Fake chinese(or Korean) copy, go ahead.
Nvidia graphics card in a car, what a time to be alive
But does it run cyberpunk 2077?
and the fact that you can't buy one for your computer looll
That’s not really what this is though
Yea, what a time indeed
When will they start scalping the G80?
Another outstanding review from the very best. No "Demuro" type of clowning nor 500 words per minute speech. Please keep doing what you're doing. Happy Holidays!
Lol....
lmaooooo totally agree
Love that somebody is finally just focusing on luxury
Best used car bargain on the market! 2016 G80 Technology pkg, bought in 08/2019 for $22k CDN ($17,200 USD) with 77,000 kms (48k miles).
Perfect history.
The depreciation gods are smiling!
Good for you Kris Cote.
May you live a healthy and a long life to happily enjoy your G80.
It's always to read and hear a good story - which is becoming increasingly rare.
Congratulations bro.
2016 G80 is older generation
You talk about the details so beautifully so I’ve decided to learn English on your channel. Thank you
I love that the tac/speedo needles leave an afterglow like a motorcycle in Akira.
This is my favorite automotive channel: best cinematography and best technical content
laughing way too hard at the rear seat shade and jack bobbing in the back seat
Hahaha just so unexpected. I lolled
@@sshah2545 I love it. He's normally dry, but every now and then, hahahahah, it's great comedy. I totally appreciate he's working to entertain us. I am abundantly entertained.
5:07 LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Foiled again!!
man of culture, i see
Absolute BEST car review channel on YT. Love your format/approach to your videos, CANDID words, and the depth in which you go into the details. Thanks, Rich.
5:07 $20 Walmart manicure straight down the drain
Don’t hate on a Walmart manicure. Those fumes are better than any permanent marker I’ve been able to find...
I died on this part, it was too much of a golden moment for me too be able to comprehend and come to grips with.
Put it in black and white, and it would look like an infomercial for powered window shades.
"Oh no! Has this ever happened to you?"
Omg hahahaha
Genesis is only 5 years old as a separate company. I think they have achieved a lot with that time.
Agreed
no, they're a division. the company is hyundai and they're over 50 years old
To be honestly they really haven’t. They screwed themselves by trying to upscale Hyundai with the Genesis and Eqqus then turning one upscale model into a brand. They also have a horrible dealer network and most of them are connected to Hyundai which buyers looking for luxury cars won’t stop at.
They needed to go the Honda/Acura route and make a luxury division from the start. Acura was so successful it was outselling Mercedes and BMW when it came out, so then Toyota copied with Lexus and Nissan copied with INFINITI, all solely due to how successful Acura was as a Japanese luxury brand.
So Genesis really hasn’t done anything. They make beautiful cars for sure but no one is buying them because no one knows where to buy one and the general public doesn’t know what Genesis is.
Roflmao.. Go buy a Genesis and find out for your self how much of a 💩 it is as well as waste of money.
@@MrCYChung what :D did you even watch the review? their reliability, like Hyundais is right next to likes of Toyota. I would love to buy one if they would be sold in Europe. I find German cars soooo boring that anything else seems like a breath of fresh air. Nice Mustang on your profile pic though, some of those have luckily made here as well.
I think Genesis made some good improvements with this gen, most notable being the development of its own unique design language. No one can say this looks like "everything else", for better or worse.
You would think. But plenty people do on Genesis ads on my FB. They're projecting that onto their own biases because this car has its own unique design language as you state.
@@benjaminsmith2287 it's frustrating. It's just a special criticism reserved for Korean products I suppose. And then when Hyundai does make something unique, it's "ugly". They can't win I suppose lol
Love it.
All good EXCEPT ditching that freeway friendly 5.0 that easily propels you past legal limits without knowing it.
All of your car reviews are always a pleasure to watch. The Genesis brand is really on its A game with its newer product, the G80 and GV80 are no exceptions to this.
I’d love to see your full in depth reviews on other hotly anticipated new vehicles like the new Chevrolet Suburban and Ford F-150. Keep up the good reviews!
props to being one of the only channels that comments on the buying/dealership experience. It’s a huge piece of actual consumer advice.
Missing the BMW dealer experience is like not having to bend over and grab your ankles at check out.
But where will I get licorice from?
And there are lattes and movies to enjoy while you are being "serviced."
That's my favorite part
But I love getting warm cookies when I walk to the service waiting area
When I bot a 335d in '11, I called local BMW dealer asking for quote for oil service. He said, "$235". After I hung up, he called back apologizing for misquoting the price. I was momentarily relieved, but then he said, "I was wrong. It's $285." Later, at the parts counter, I was charged $16 for a liter of DEF in BMW's special, non-reusable filler neck bottle. Reminded me of the old joke where a sales clerk said to a customer, "Thank you for not saying anything about my hunched back." The customer replied, "Hunched back? Hell, everything else in here is so high, I thought it was your ass!"
Another great review. I'm not crazy about that humongous grill. The flip side of the depreciation problem is affordability on the used car market. I bought a 2016 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 in February and got a really quiet, luxurious, well-appointed car with over 20,000 miles left on the factory warranty for just under $22k. I love the torque, effortless acceleration and sound of the naturally aspirated 3.8L V6. It's the quietest car I've ever owned and has a terrific 15-speaker sound system. The clarity and sound stage is awesome and the bluetooth connection is much faster than the one in my 2014 Accord.
It's not as agile as my Accord, so I totally agree about the handling. It feels like a big car and doesn't corner as responsively as I'd like. There's a little creak from the panoramic sunroof on cold mornings with the shade open, but you can close it and the noise goes away. That's my only gripe.
Despite the lack of premium dealer experience, the build quality is excellent. According to CR, the Hyundai and Genesis brands are more reliable and have better customer satisfaction ratings than Honda, Acura, Cadillac and most other brands. It's a solid value all around.
5:05 LMFAO SO UNEXPECTED IM DEAD
I made a decision: from now on I'm gonna like your videos, then watch them.
5:25 obviously super excited about the shop segment lol ... making me nervous, Mark! I am pulling for this brand to succeed!
Genesis simply looks class, and i dont know why everyone are mentioning the steering wheel, it looks classy and beautifull
Apart from the grille. The proportions are way off it is way too huge... makes it look tryhard
@Bucky Fiden prefer the one from gv 80 aswell
It's the Millennial generation, they can't handle the reverse sweep tach either.
I think the steering wheel looks unique and stately. Not bad at all.
The previous G80 was amazing. I rented a 5.0 Ultimate on Turo and was floored by how smooth and quiet it was. I'm happy to see Genesis is still providing comfort first.
V6 is garbage turbo or non vs the v8... no more v8
I feel like 'a special person' every time I get behind the wheel of my 1995 Dodge Caravan!
I never a car review where the guy goes str8 in and give facts without prep prep prep and let's u know about dealerships.. Wow, this was awesome 👍🏿
That window shade scene killed me 🤣
A+ on the cinematography, music, editing and overall content (of course). You always have superb videos... but this one is among the best of 2020. The music gave it a Hitchcock feel.
I liked the “night time” shot that shows the interior lighting. I would like to see that in all of your reviews. Good work!
Good potential choice for all those disgruntled Lexus GS enthusiasts out there.
yep, except if you keep the car past warranty, in which case the lexus GS is a much better option for long term ownership.
@@hissingoose and how do you know that? Lol. There are plenty of Lexus’s in the shop of who have under 100k miles. Being a Lexus fanboy isn’t an argument....
@@JacesOwnWorld track record. Outliers don't define the rule.
And the rule is Toyota is still world leading in reliability. Due to everything from engineering to assembly line to factory worker ethics.
We'll cross that bridge when we get there, I'm ride or die with GS350 going almost 230k miles strong.
@@JacesOwnWorld i've never owned or long term driven a toyota product in my life, but drive roughly 90,000kms per year. i've also worked for and been invested in companies that run independent fleets of dozens of vehicles that do similar yearly mileage. most had a minimum spec that vehicles needed to last 400,000kms with minimal maintenance. I've yet to run into a fleet controller that would take a dozen sonotas over a dozen camry's with that target mileage in mind.
you on the other sure sound like a fanboy... i could be wrong. i try not to make assumptions about people i don't know.
Testing audio with gangnam style is just savage!
You'll probably see a lot of these around Gangnam anyways lol
Where did you see that? Now I'm trying to find it.
Stupid question.....but...new cars don't have CD players anymore?
Jack was much more sombre in this episode after that previous Acura TLX review haha. Loved that episode, keep up the good work gentlemen!
Finally, a luxury car that focuses on comfort instead of pretending to be sporty.
Who said Cadillac was dead?
@@machtschnell7452 What's Cadillac?
Ever heard of Lincoln?
@@joskjj3625 No. We are car enthusiasts. We do not acknowledge the existence of FCA products. (with the exception of Alfa Romeo).
@@joskjj3625 The President? What's does he have to do with this?
5:06 manual peasant blockers demo had me crying!
I think Genesis is nailing these new products. They are designing and tuning for the market segment, hitting the nail on the head.
The dealership experience is a huge failing. That alone will kill it for many.
Lexus makes a great product, but the dealer experiences of all the luxury brands is a big reason we go back and buy and lease continually.
Lol, I laughed out loud when I watched that part.
I understand the dealership experience part, but I have to be honest, at least here in Seattle, the nearby Mercedes and Audi dealership experience has also been a bit crap. One of the bmw dealership is good, but the other less so. Maybe not traditional Hyundai or (worse) Nissan bad, but… it narrows the gap. (I have ownership and shopping experience with all the above).
My main point is… between their competitors failing and Genesis pushing upward, they’re steadily closing the gap. Kind of cool to watch it happen, tbh.
Lol, I laughed out loud when I watched that part.
I understand the dealership experience part, but I have to be honest, at least here in Seattle, the nearby Mercedes and Audi dealership experience has also been a bit crap. One of the bmw dealership is good, but the other less so. Maybe not traditional Hyundai or (worse) Nissan bad, but… it narrows the gap. (I have ownership and shopping experience with all the above).
My main point is… between their competitors failing and Genesis pushing upward, they’re steadily closing the gap. Kind of cool to watch it happen, tbh.
“Say ‘four popper’ one more time! I dare you!”
Another great review indeed.
Good job guys!
can you do a vid about what the graphs on the audio test mean? Maybe interview the guy who tests them?
Haha. I thought I was the only one who had no clue what all the graphs meant. I’m glad you asked first.
Just look it up on RUclips lmao
The top waterfall is a frequency response chart where the second graph is on the back and towards you is a timeaxis. Idealy the frequency graph is smooth and it dampens out in time, the lower frequencies rumble on a bit. The bottom graph is harmonic distortion and that should be low.
The way you guys discussed/analyzed this vehicle, and the company as a whole, was superb.
Hyundai/Genesis would be wise to meet with you in a boardroom and consult over these points/topics.
When you say the architecture is exclusive to Genesis and Kia can't share, does that also include the K900?
The current K900 is actually derived from the Stinger's platform, which itself is a derivation of the DH Genesis platform. We'll have to see if Kia is actually excluded - I'm sure they'd like to use the new platform for a Mohave replacement.
Absolutely
Superb video again. Intro was amazing. Yet it is still savage enough, with you messing with the shades and Jack rocking in the back seat. This car will trun some heads and it offers all you need.
The GV80 is also worth looking at its arguably one of the best SUVs in its class
He said that
The channel has big steps forward, it's better than ever
I bought a G70 last year. The car is fantastic but he dealer experience is atrocious. None were interested to find me the car I really wanted and I ended up buying one in Arizona and have it shipped to TN. Valet service is a nice touch but each service had issues, they really need to work on the dealership experience.
Driving dynamics aside, 2.5 G80 or an ultra luxury ES350? They price similar to each other, and both are nice on the interior. Which would you own?
Lexus
The G80 stomps the Lexus... The ES is filled with hard plastics, its infotainment is crap as usual, it seems its quite heavy, and built on McPherson strut FWD platform... The least noble of configurations for a premium sedan.
The G80 on the other hand ticks all the boxes. The interior is lauded. Some even saying is on par with Porsches on fit and finish. Nicely padded materials all over the place. RWD and fully independent suspension, so, better driving dynamics than the ES at least. Longer warranty and quite a decent track reliability wise. And its quite a lot more exclusive right now since its not selling as much as the competition.
The G80 just stomps the ES. The ES probably has very little aspects in favour. The hybrid is quite efficient and refined. But you can get that from a Camry too. And being a simpler car will probably make it a more reliable and economic car to own. One of those double wishbone arms in the G80 probably cost more than the entire front suspension on the Lex.
lesxus gs
Counter clockwise tach. Some things just shouldn’t be emulated.
that was just weird..when they were punching it I was like wait what....
A lot of manufacturers are doing it now but yes it’s stupid.
they copied audi design with poached audi designer and was thinking hmmm, what else shall we steal? lets do bmw 8 tach
Who cares? Where do you even need a tach in a car like that? It's an automatic luxury car, not a manual gti
@@agreatd what didn’t they poach! Kia, Hyundai,Genesis or any other Chinese brand has not invented tech but used the innovations from the leaders. Reason why it’s cheaper. Before all your keyboard warriors start know you facts
Perhaps the most old-school and serious reviews on the web.
The cuts in your intro roll were perfectly timed to the music. I'm sure you spent extra time on that.
21:21 - I bought my 2015 5.0L in part due to your review on the car a few years ago. It really bummed me out as you described how close you got to buying one. It has become the very best vehicle I have ever owned, so I hope you give them another shot some day. Cheers!
I bought a 2015 3.8L. Nice car but the temperature control regulation of the car left a lot to be desired as it blew cold air once the cabin heated up. Traded it in for a Truck.
Can't wait for the GV70 review
I bought/own a 2017 3.8 RWD and I agree the dealership experience can be inconsistent but the place I got mine and get it serviced it’s great
Nice car. Have you ever put Shell V- power nitro+ 91 octane premium on your 3.8 L if so did it make a difference/have you noticed a difference in performamce vs the other brands premium octane & 87 ?
This was my dream car for 2020, before Covid hit and I lost my job.
This new G80, despite the added power of the 3.5T and reduction in weight, is slower to 60mph and the 1/4 mile when compared to the 2018-2020 G80 Sport with the 3.3T. That car weighed 300lbs more than this new one. Not sure if the new transmission tuning has something to do with it, or if this new engine's combustion is being restricted for emission purposes. Could also explain why Hyundai/Kia opted not to feature this engine in the G70 and Stinger. Perhaps it needs extra tuning and is not yet ready for prime time performance like the 3.3T. Any thoughts on this, Savagegeese?
Beautiful car and likely very reliable - Mercedes and BMW need to take note. I am personally fed up with poor German reliability, high parts pricing and a consistently poor service experience based on the 4 German cars that we have leased over the past 8 years.
Make the switch. You won't be dissappointed.
This is a super quality review. Especially when you cover what it looks like below and an overview of the suspensions. Impressive.
With that said I wish Genesis went with hybrid lineup instead of turbo.
We went from last gen G80 to Volvo XC90. Absolutely love the XC90, would be an easy re-lease, however, I do miss the quietness of the 80, so we may get lured back in the next two years, maybe to the SUV or even back into the G80. For us, it was the level of luxury, refinement for the dollar and lack of brand recognition/public perception. I place a high value on Genesis' ability to provide higher levels of luxury while laying low. The Bowers system in the XC90 is incredible, but the Lexicon is no slouch either and the isolated interior certainly helps. Amazing review as always.
Yeah, I wound up with an XC90 as well for many of the same reasons. Ill talk more about that in GV80 video
This is the first G80 I’ve seen in a light color, I like it
5:06 wasn't expecting that lmaoooo
What the heck the last two months i havent seen SG videos on my subscribed list. Now i got a ton to watch.
Jack just vibin' in the back. Gangnam style is a very appropriate track for such a nice Hyundai, I mean, genesis.
The G90 is the best car to do that in. Especially the version where you can push the passenger seat forward.
Hard to find a black on black 3.5T RWD Prestige trim in the Houston area right now. And in general it would appear the dealers aren't negotiating off MSRP, in fact it appears the early adopters are paying coupla thousand dollars above MSRP. Back to shopping for a 2021 Lexus ES 350 Luxury for me...
An extremely good looking car. Finally something Korean I'd actually buy.
Please buy one so they keep making more of them.
Really? That gaping mouth is good looking?
its FAKE fake Bentley.
Oh please buy one. I have the 2018 G80. That is a gem of a car. There is a reason they don't make anymore GS. mmmmm. I know one of them because I owned 3. One 3rd gen. 2 4th generation. I drove Lexus for 20 yrs until I went for another GS my dealer of 20 yrs said no mo. They are discontinued. Yes the GS is done. My own dealer said hey go buy that G80. It's better than the GS an that's one of the reasons that the GS is going ghost. One of the reasons. The other? They jus didn't sale. But that G80 or the one I have now? Does knock the GS out. I've drove those GS's. Had my GENISIS FOR 2 YRS NOW. I will have the 2021 in November of 21. The best thing happened to me is the GS got discontinued and I loved my GS. Lexus the company is lazy. Great cars reliable but lazy. Trying to take ur money for less car. Genisis which is a excellent car gives you more for your money. Go figure.
oooO guys genesis is doing THAT well that some random comment says they have 70k they could drop on this car maybe we should take genesis serious now huh??🤔
I grew up in farm country Illinois but havent lived there in about 20 years. These videos always make me feel nostalgic for the area I grew up in.
I live in farm country Illinois and can tell you to be thankful you escaped this wretched state.
@@obturate3965 I moved to the west coast and only miss it when I watch these videos and when looking at home prices. Everything else is so much better here.
@@explodeder Not sure you should miss the home prices in Illinois. Property taxes are among the highest in the nation, and home ownership may not be a wise financial move. I expect to eventually sell my home at a loss after over 20 years of blood, sweat and tears improving it. At least on the west coast your home may increase in value. Nope, there is nothing to like about Illinois.
@@obturate3965 You’re probably right. And realistically I’m never going to move back. That being said, I could buy a decent home in Central Illinois outright with the profit I’d make off of the house we bought in 2016.
@@explodeder The state of Illinois could be great with its fertile soil and hard working people (at least downstate), but I am afraid the politicians have damaged it beyond recovery.
Hyundai is on top of its game right now
Can’t wait to see more the Genesis lineup!
Maybe I missed something, but what's the point of the counter-clockwise tachometer? It looks weird in my opinion...
Couch on wheels is the vehicle my wife really wants so it seems like one of these used in a few years would be perfect (she prefers used cars).
I was thinking the same, especially if the warranty is transferrable. I like comfortable cruisers.
I looked at the 2017/2018 used prices and they’re not as cheap as everyone thought. The rate of depreciation is really not any greater than comparable bmws. But I’m sure they’re much more reliable than a comparable bmw.
I like the Kia Cadenza too. Used 2017s are even cheaper. While not quite in the same league as the Genesis, I think of them as sort of a Korean Buick.
@@Wasabi9111 Yep, BMW's hold their value really well...!
i looked at the Genesis platform. talked to someone in the dealership who was there for a service. his big complaint was that the Genesis platform needs its own dedicated dealerships. he was frustrated with getting service at hyundai dealerships and mentioned getting repairs can be a pain.
5:05 LOL fuck me I wasn't expecting that
There's a reason I'm subscribed to this channel, and that is because you guys share something in common with me. We all appreciate the finer things in life when it comes to cars.
You are car enthusiasts while not going stupid overboard like some of those Brits do.
You two are sensible and practical American car enthusiasts with whom I can greatly relate to.
That being said, your perspective on the G80 is a little skewed. You mentioned that the top engine in the G80 isn't as great as the top engines in the Germans'. Yes, that is a true statement but do you think that a buyer looking at the G80 is thinking in those terms?
I don't think someone looking at a M550i or M5 is cross shopping a G80.
Cinematography on another level. Btw, I love the new car designs from Genesis.
Seeing very few old genesis on the road, kimchi long term reliability?
They didnt sell many.
I have seen quite a few roaming around where I live. Makes me miss my 2012 5.0
I see a few old ones, at least in my area but like the other guys said, they don't sell that much yet.
Depreciation? I just got an offer for a 2018 BMW 7 series for $40,000. The original window sticker was $96000. Don’t talk to me about depreciation.
Exactly! The Germans are the leader when it comes to depreciation.
You selling your 7 series? How come?
I lost 32k usd on my bmw in 2 years
Rented the base model 2023 recently and drove 500 miles. Was great on gas, non branded speakers were above average and love that the exterior lights fade in and out opposed to just turning on and off. The self driving features and lane keep assist I had to turn off since it was very aggressive and made it appear as if I was driving distracted. Apple carplay disconnected often and wireless carplay wasn't an option. Turning radius is worst than a large suv, if you're making a u-turn or parking in a tight spot it requires some extra attention. The latest Avalon and ES350 felt quieter and had a much smoother drivetrain imo.
It is a shame you have such a dealership issue down there, in Canada it seems completely different
I agree with everything you said except for the identity. I think finally Genesis has found their identity. GV70 G70 GV80 G80 they now look like a part of the family. 2 lines will be what describes Genesis in the future.
From what other reviewers have said that tested the dBs, the cabin is the second quietest vehicle they have ever tested. Only bested by a Mercedes S Class Maybach I believe.
Amazing!
thats just nonsense... This car is nowhere near a standard S-Class, A8 or 7-series in the refinement chapter. Including noise insulation. And theres even the G90 to account for... What, are the folks at Genesis crazy and made the mid size sedan better than the full sized one? Absolute nonsense. Any of the 6L E Class hybrid Mercs are probably even more quiet than this due to the superior powertrain. Volvos are insanely quiet too. DB count does nothing. A single variable test is incapable of determining the noise level of a cars cabin. Not that long ago Ford Fusions and S-Max used to be top 10 in these lists, and those cars are not top 10 on noise insulation in real life.
@@AI-qd4vb Next time, come with facts, not your overblown German car worship. I'll take the word of actual car experts that test these kind of things for a living over someone who obviously loves German cars above all else.
Savagegeese, Is the G80 as quiet or quieter than the K900? How about the ride quality compared to the G90?
Okay now genesis has my attention. My S-class might have a new competitor. 🧐
I actually love the design. Looks modern in an almost futuristic way. Every so slightly ahead of the curve and obviously upscale. At least it's interesting to look at. Far better than bland.
"There is your V6 POWER MARK!"
5:06 ROFLOL thats funny as shit then to 5:17 Seeing Jack dance in the back. HILARIOUS. I was laughing so hard.
I really love Genesis design language.
The random outburst of frustration get me every time! 🤣 🤣 🤣
the tac going counter clockwise is freaking me out.
That drove me crazy when I saw it.
So Aston.
@@machtschnell7452 It should stay with Aston.
Who cares? You don't even need a tach in an automatic luxury car. RR don't have a tach in their cars
@@Avalk9724 but this has a tach and it goes the wrong way.
I re-winded several times but I am still unclear if you dig or zunk the Lexicon sound system. Does it meet or beat your expectations or is it falling wellshort? Nevermind the display quality. Thanks.
Its measures and sounds better than all the other Harmon International systems. Need he say more?
Harman markets its products under various brands, including AKG, AMX, Arcam,[5] Bang & Olufsen Automotive, Becker, BSS Audio, Crown, dbx, DigiTech, Harman Kardon, Infinity, JBL, Lexicon, Mark Levinson, Martin, Revel, Soundcraft and Studer. With that revelation, this should be the top 1% of car audiophile systems.
I was anticipating getting a GV80 but, like your experience, my dealership experience from just discussing the vehicle did not go as I expected. I decided not to wait and instead got a 2021 BMW X5 xDrive 45e. The BMW drives amazingly, but has a very small 2nd row. Perhaps in 3 years Genesis will have worked out their dealership experience and I will consider them.
Have they fixed the defects in the hybrid BMWs yet? Heard it was an issue. Come to think of it, seems to be an issue with a lot of hybrids and new EVs from traditional ICE manufacturers.
Thx man. Good honest, almost sold me, appraisal
“All Grill”?? Not compared to the 2022 Toyota Avalon.
Oh my lord, that front is just… horrific.
Lmao, rear sunshade freak-out got me good 😂
It's amazing. But Hyundai NEEDS to have a luxury experience for Genesis at dealers.
I definitely agree. I currently own a G80 and have to get it serviced at a Hyundai dealership. Don't get me wrong, I love Hyundais. But it's just straight up weird when my loaner vehicle is an Elantra or Accent.
Agree it’s not up to Lexus levels
I couldn't give a fuck about where the 1st guy buys the car...
@@Kevin122331 Facts!
I totally agree with Mark at the end in regards to the dealer network. I walk into KIA with a check and they’re treating me like some punk wasting time and being oddly rude. Lexus experience across the street in comparison were so friendly and inviting. This stuff matters, especially if Hyundai is serious about competing with the established brands.
Should've titled this video "Grille-vaganza"
Thank you for a brilliant and informative review. I am 6'4", is it going to fit me?
Read a rumor over on Parlor that Jack and Turbowski have been scheming behind your back and are planning their own auto review channel titled Furious Ducks.
I think the depreciation part will be better with this generation. Since the first gen had some identity crisis. This one along with newer models from genesis have much more consistency. Plus they just look more luxurious.
That car is speaking my soulllllllllll
Question - ignoring "sportiness" (I'm sure this is more nimble) and rear seat legroom, would you recommend this or a V8 G90?
If you take away the main advantage this car has and then say "which car is better?", of course it will be the other one, the G90. And the G90 SHOULD be better; it's much more expensive. The Mercedes S Class will be much better than either of them, and the Maybach will be better than that, and the Rolls-Royce better still. And the Nissan Versa will be worse than any of them.