Advent Children & Before Crisis: Confusing Incoherence 「Compilation Retrospective PART 2」
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- A retrospective review of the Compilation of Final Fantasy 7. Anything from Crisis Core to Before Crisis, I'll cover it all!
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For some reason there's some very mild digitized distortion in my voice over audio in the second half of the video. I have no clue what caused it, as it's not in the actual recording, nor is it in any of the videos I made after this one. So we're just gonna have to deal I guess.
Also, normally I'd be doing Thortober (the spooky month) right about now, but I'm moving that on to next month. So get HYEP for Thorvember!
Proper Fuck Yeah and all that!!!
You even played Before Crisis for us. You deserve a monument. A gargantuan high heel.
I watched Final Fantasy VII Advent Children, before I knew what FF7 even was.
No joke.
I really liked the Final Fantasy wallpapers from the wallpaper collection I got from a friend back in 2009 and watched the movie an year later, because how cool those wallpaper looked.
No joke.
I miss simpler times.
are you joking?
@@EricToTheScionti No joke
So what did you think of it as a total newbie?
@@RoyalKnightVIII The movie? HOLY SHIT I was confused and amazed that the same time.
Graphics and the fight scenes were breath taking, but I had no idea what was happening in the story.
If I watch it today, I'd be quite annoyed by it though. It's lost its novelty.
@@hemangchauhan2864 hell I played FFVII snd I had no idea what was going on with the story 😂
There actually was an explanation for Cloud acting depressed and everything being the way it is in Advent Children, but the problem is Square Enix thought it would be a better idea to put all of this info in a FUCKING LIGHT NOVEL! The book is called "On The Way To A Smile" and it's a hell of a lot better than the movie. You can find a translated and voice acted version of it on a RUclips Channel called The Lifestream.
That's what really, really hurt the film most of all. Leaving Cloud's descent into depression into supplementary material and leaving us to just watch him mope about in the aftermath of it all, basically putting us through an extended as hell heroic BSOD moment.
The film has other issues too, though. The action scenes lack tension and feel padded (sorta similar to the Star Wars prequels' execution of their fight scenes) and the Geostigma sub-plot is settled with a deus ex machina rather than feeling earned. Fans try to cover it up and say Sephy was blocking Aerith, but the fact remains she could heal Cloud BEFORE Sephy even reemerged just yet, so there's no excuse why she couldn't at least help Cloud.
Square still hasn't learned from this god awful mistake, they have made it worse. With FF15 you have to watch an anime, a movie and 3 seperate dlc packs. FF13 required a fuck ton of reading and buying just to understand what was happening and still didn't make any sense. I honestly don't mind them putting information in an anime format because a Final Fantasy anime sounds badass and it's easier to get a hold thanks to quick translations, but packaging it into a book that GOD KNOWS how long to translate and ship out is stupid!
There wasn't just one light novel, there were SEVERAL. One for Tifa and Cloud, one for Barret, one for the lion character PLUS an anime ova for Cait Sith and some kid, Tifa and Cloud's adopted son
Malik Reeves Add to that a free online only beatem up starring Noct's dad, as well as 4 new dlc episodes coming in 2019. THREE YEARS after the game CAME OUT. Square never learns.
Dont even get me started on Kingdom Hearts.
Hahahahaah the audio erotic novel, HOW CAN I NOT BE A FANBOY.
@1:23 "both having done only minor directing jobs" Kitase directed Final Fantasies VII, VIII, and X, and codirected VI and Chrono Trigger. I don't think I'd call any of those minor, since the guy had a bigger hand in steering the PS1 era of the franchise than the Gooch himself, who spent much of that period preoccupied with making The Spirits Within. The statement's true of Tabata, though.
That concept art is sexy. My favorite kind of artstyle is anime inspired by comic book inking, like NMH and Redline. Looks like Nomura's TWEWY which I've never played.
.... I kinda loved Advent Children... I watched it in japanese(despite not knowing japanese) with subtitles though, so I didn't get to suffer through the bad voice acting. (I was also like 12 and I haven't rewatched it since so...)
As much as Squeenix loves making mobile games and porting older games to iOS and Android, it's kind of surprising that they haven't tried to update and port Before Crisis. I always really liked the Turks, even in Advent Children.
You have a great appreciation for aesethics and style that I don't hear from other RUclipsrs. The way you describe the city in this movie is dead on. I love the Nomura rips as always and adding Tabata into the mix was an added bonus. I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on Final Fantasy Versus XIII and how Nomura' s original vision was shit on in the finished XV product.
Thanks dude! I remember thinking FF Versus XIII looked really cool, and that one gameplay trailer thingy, where you see Noctis and not-Lunafreya in a type of fancy looking ball room type place, well I dug that vision. I fuxed with it. Can't really say if it would've been any better or worse then what we ended up getting though. As Advent Children shows, pretty much everything Nomura touches looks cool, but it remains to be seen if the story and/or gameplay can live up to it. I might have liked Versus 13 more then FFXV, as I prefer more urban environments, and where Insomnia did make it into FFXV, I can't image it was supposed to be as minor of a feature as it was, but again, no real way of knowing for sure. As it is though, I liked FFXV regardless. And we aren't exactly short on Nomura designed games either.
You can blame Advent Children for the "Cloud is emo" shtick he got stuck with.
I'd rather blame Nomura for completely failing to understand what people like about his character and choosing to throw away the progression and development he underwent in FF7 in order to capitalize on trendy leather-bound sadboi bullshit that Japanese teenage girls seem to really enjoy.
I think emo Cloud is a Nomura thing for sure. Cloud was like that in Kingdom Hearts 1 too, long before Advent Children came out.
@@Archonus Nomura isn't a good writer. But his character designs are so fucking dope.
@@Uroboro_Djinn exactly, writing just....isnt his thing
Say what you will about the plot of advent children, it looks and feels like no other movie. There’s a feel to the lighter than air combat and how characters accelerate and decelerate. It’s totally unnatural but some idea of real physics informs how the characters move, like crouching tiger hidden dragon. I still sometimes think about how tifa landed on that one wall.
Geosmegma. I love you, and this review. This movie is such a piece of shit.
Did you actually just say 'Geo-Smegma? 😂
11:20 Sir, you have killed me.
Geosmegma fucking killed me... XD
First time I saw this film, it was like a religious experience. The second time, it was like watching pornography. From the third onward, it was shame and disgust
I used to love advent children still got it memorized every scene every line in english especially the music
so basically advent children and kingsglaive are transformers and all of zack snyders movies?
i already said that maybe you should tell him that instead of me?
i already said that maybe you should tell him that instead of me?
i mean its better than dirge
I remember watching this when I was younger, and all I remember is that scene where Cloud flies in the sky and fights a big monster. I recall the rest of it being boring, though I haven't played the game then or now.
I like to believe the movie was a preparation for Cloud to redeem himself from Aerith's and Zack's deaths, so he can be ready to finally settle down with Tifa, marry, and have Children
would those Children have ADVENTures?
12:12 Reminds me of Bleach's Title Kubo. _Just want to draw cool shit, but all of this plot ugh... and the stoOory...ooo~_
I've always loved this movie genuinely, and I think some aspects are given shit in a bit of a... Dramatic way.
I think Cloud should be given alot less flack, especially considering the WHOLE situation of the world, and his own issues together. In terms of the world, it entered a near apocalypse and barely survived with now a plague going around and killing people off, poverty is rampant when the economy pretty much died off, and Midgar is in ruins with a new city outside as the only place to live it seems, and it's all downright depressing. The whole point of the film is that this is a world that just got worse and worse as it went on and nothing really got so much better. In the case of Cloud personally... Fuck... The man suffered an identity crisis in the original game and the core of it starting in Crisis Core with Zack's death, his dying wishes, and the trauma that started his identity issues in the main game itself. So once the game itself started, he thinks he's this bad ass Solider First Class from Shinra originally, but as he goes on, that is broken down on him, and Aerith is flat out killed on him too, near when his reality breaks down in full. The amount of grief he probably had from especially remembering his friend Zack, who he's shown to have been a genuine friend with in Crisis Core in such a human way that comes off not at all forced if you ask me and rather natural, combine that with remembering his death, that ESPECIALLY with the incident included in his home village being burned and Sephiroth going rogue that day starting the WHOLE issue way past Shinra being so scummy to begin with. When you step back and you even consider this from the standpoint of being in his shoes and boiling it down to reality logic, who the fuck wouldn't be just emotionally scared as all hell?? He didn't even get a chance to really react to it very long in the game, he had to man up in the moment and do what he needed to do to save the planet from the end of it all, and now in Advent Children he is with this plague that has engulfed alot of the population and taken many lives already. It's by cruel fate, that the plague is tied to the lab experiment gone wrong that is the core of his entire trauma, he's absolutely FUCKED. It's a fucking miracle he doesn't just break down and cry at everything he experienced since the core of the whole crisis itself, and the whole point of the film is him finally confronting his trauma head on, the final words between Cloud and Sephiroth represent this perfectly.
Cloud: "Stay where you belong, in my memories."
Sephiroth: "I will... Never be a memory."
And in many ways that may also reflect on the PTSD as a whole, it's memories are still going to forever be there, he may try to push past it all his life if he must, but the core of that PTSD will forever be there as much more than just some memory from the past, hence why I think the dialog represents this well. Sure, I won't claim its all perfect per say, but holy shit is it no where near as bad as most talk it upto being I think.
I don't even think Crisis Core is all that bad, sure it's awkward to have a celebrity face as a villain, but I didn't know that first time I played it and it was fine with me, why would Shinra stop with one lab experiment when they're morally bankrupt anyways? All this combined makes these 2 games and this film a very strong story when you take it all in like that, it expands and makes it clear how fucked up the Shinra corporation is, and Cloud is just a fucking human being that experiences trauma and what it does to his memories and emotions, eventually trying to leave it behind after it had almost eaten him alive in the form of a plague, along with battling the depression everyone dealt with in a post apocalyptic world, and soon choosing to face it all head on and put it to rest with also a more hopeful tone at the end of this film, along with Zack's Buster Sword cleaned and in Aerith's Church. I guess you could also look at that as the past being dealt with in a much healthier way with how it's presented at the end.
The Chad Nomura
So I've been watching Final Fantasy VII Advent Children
You're a goddamn good journalist/writer. Dig your work, tone, vibe. Nice.
I am so very curious to see what you think of Crisis Core and Genesis Rhapsodos's practice for poetry recital .
I watched advent children with a Japanese filter placed upon it (by this I mean I took Japanese "popular" culture into account when watching) I thought it was a really good film. The cgi was something else for the time.
ten years ago I forced my entire friend group to watch Advent children, they were not impressed
LMAO Geosmegma! I fucking love you, ThorHighHeels.
Am I the only person on the planet that loved Advent children ?
No, I love it genuinely too, and I think some aspects are given shit in a bit of a... Dramatic way.
I think Cloud should be given alot less flack, especially considering the WHOLE situation and his own together. In terms of the world, it entered a near apocalypse and barely survived with now a plague going around and killing people off, poverty is rampant when the economy pretty much died off, and Midgar is in ruins with a new city outside as the only place to live it seems, and it's all downright depressing. The whole point of the film is that this is a world that just got worse and worse as it went on and nothing really got so much better. In the case of Cloud personally... Fuck... The man suffered an identity crisis in the original game and the core of it starting in Crisis Core with Zack's death, his dying wishes, and the trauma that started his identity issues in the main game itself. So once the game itself started, he thinks he's this bad ass Solider First Class from Shinra originally, but as he goes on, that is broken down on him, and Aerith is flat out killed on him too, near when his reality breaks down in full. The amount of grief he probably had from especially remembering his friend Zack, who he's shown to have been a genuine friend with in Crisis Core in such a human way that comes off not at all forced if you ask me and rather natural, combine that with remembering his death, that ESPECIALLY with the incident included in his home village being burned and Sephiroth going rogue that day starting the WHOLE issue way past Shinra being so scummy to begin with. When you step back and you even consider this from the standpoint of being in his shoes and boiling it down to reality logic, who the fuck wouldn't be just emotionally scared as all hell?? He didn't even get a chance to really react to it very long in the game, he had to man up in the moment and do what he needed to do to save the planet from the end of it all, and now in Advent Children he is with this plague that has engulfed alot of the population and taken many lives already. It's by cruel fate, that the plague is tied to the lab experiment gone wrong that is the core of his entire trauma, he's absolutely FUCKED. It's a fucking miracle he doesn't just break down and cry at everything he experienced since the core of the whole crisis itself, and the whole point of the film is him finally confronting his trauma head on, the final words between Cloud and Sephiroth represent this perfectly.
Cloud: "Stay where you belong, in my memories."
Sephiroth: "I will... Never be a memory."
And in many ways that may also reflect on the PTSD as a whole, it's memories are still going to forever be there, he may try to push past it all his life if he must, but the core of that PTSD will forever be there as much more than just some memory from the past, hence why I think the dialog represents this well. Sure, I won't claim its all perfect per say, but holy shit is it no where near as bad as most talk it upto being I think.
I don't even think Crisis Core is all that bad, sure it's awkward to have a celebrity face as a villain, but I didn't know that first time I played it and it was fine with me, why would Shinra stop with one lab experiment when they're morally bankrupt anyways? All this combined makes these 2 games and this film a very strong story when you take it all in like that, it expands and makes it clear how fucked up the Shinra corporation is, and Cloud is just a fucking human being that experiences trauma and what it does to his memories and emotions, eventually trying to leave it behind after it had almost eaten him alive in the form of a plague, along with battling the depression everyone dealt with in a post apocalyptic world, and soon choosing to face it all head on and put it to rest with also a more hopeful tone at the end of this film, along with Zack's Buster Sword cleaned and in Aerith's Church. I guess you could also look at that as the past being dealt with in a much healthier way with how it's presented at the end.
Final fantasy advent children was very good its a shame that to the people from the internet everthing sucks.
This is fucking great. You deserve more views.
Also worth mentioning they lost takahashi during the restructuring whose gone on to have a ton of success
I watched this movie just after a beat the game in my PS2 slim. Man, it was awesome, flawed but awesome, the fights were amazing, I just didn´t care about the damn plot, it was just good fan service all the way. Besides, it was much better than the Spirits Withshit one. And also the OST was great!
Hahah, this brings me back. When I watched it, I called Advent Children: "The most expensive fan fiction ever made". Of course, nowadays there are other contenders to that throne, but still. That movie was so cringe-worthy. xD
man I rewatched Advent Children recently, and man it did NOT hold up
6:19 I can't even 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If you were 16 or older when you played FF7, you had no problem following Advent Children and loving it. If you watched it when you were 9 and were confused, you'll prolly stay confused. Cloud and co. saved everything. But people still died because of him. He chose to undertake stopping Seph, using an ego that wasn't even his. It was copy pasted from Zach. So if he goes off trying to be a hero again.......and if one of those kids gets killed because of it......it's a bit heavy. He has to gain enough confidence to override that fear. Tifa tries to do this because she's trying to make them a "real" family that can rely on each other.
Geostigma was always Alien planet DNA infecting Earth planet DNA. All life comes from the lifestream. If it gets corrupted at the source, the corruption affects the end products too. Humans. The geostigma is grotesque on normal humans. The Gray kids are mostly Alien DNA lifestream. They are a product of the corruption in the lifestream. They identify as the remnants of Genovas DNA. They have a connection straight to the Genova/Sephy corruption in the lifestream. And they want to the original DNA of Genova to become complete. Having the "complete" Genova DNA will allow the corruption to express itself as a full fledged Genova/Sephy through the Gray kids.
love advent children but before crisis shouldnt have been a phone game
Ok but why the fuck weren't the Three Stooges named after the spheres of the tree of Sephiroth!? Like Kether and Daath and stuff!
So what do you think about the remake being directed by nomura? It sends shivers down my spine, and for the wrong reason
I don't really care if I'm honest. I wasn't among the group of people who wanted a remake in the first place, so I just kinda see the game as a neat little bonus chance to have a stroll around Midgar. As long as I can do that, and look at pretty cutscenes with pretty anime people, I'll be ok.
I imagine that, gameplay-wise, it'll be decent (although it's unfortunate that the turn-based fans are getting screwed with the action-based focus), but hopefully we don't see Cloud's characterization be revised to be more in line with how he behaves in a lot of later works for the sake of pandering to the teen demographic. The glimmer of hope in that is that SE has been trying to steer a bit more away from that in more recent works like World of FF and the new Dissidia, so hopefully that bleeds into the remake.
ThorHighHeels My thoughts exactly. I most likely won't be touching it for a year after its release tbh.
@@Sawngawkuh As far as we are concerned, FFVIIRemake will be similar enough to the original, especially because Cloud's "emo-fication" was reverted in the last years.
Basically predicted ever crisis @ 13:51
I will never get over “dilly dally shilly shally” wtf does that even mean???
Geosmegma
advent children is a masterpiece compared to kings glaive
2:40 - LOL! Subbed.
No part 3?
So that's why I can never remember the plot to advent children!
As a young brasilian final fantasy fan, i just fucking loved the movie, was easy to realize that the whole movie was a gigantic motherfucking fan service(that i enjoyed as hell, what can i do.. i see giant swords and i just turn on) but after replaying the game and rewatching the movie like 30 times (because thats how much i liked) i started to kind understand some deep shit going on there, of course its not like it made 100% of sense, buuuuut today most of it i'm kind able to understand(and yes, my english writing sucks hard).
Ah, Advent Children, the thing I like to point to when emo Cloud comes to mind
The voice acting in the movie is actually pretty good... in JAPANESE. Doesn't save the writing though
I like tifa's nose hair..
I actually like Spirits Within :(
I'm new to the channel..
so can someone explain why Mr.HighHeels always depicts Nomura as a stupid sexy buff man?
I also seen advent children before i knew what ff was and why are people raving about the vampire guy and man i kind of hated it a lot and thought it was dumb and no joke it kind of ruined ff7 for me, forever. Even though i know the OG game is nothing like that i still have the gut feeling of "thats the dumb stupid cringe one" which really sucks
You throwin Rick burps in your sentences there?
I don't know which Rick out of all the many Ricks in the world you are referring to, so imma say no.
Wasn't a great film at all, wasn't a good film to critics - but was a good film to the fanbase
What’s the beat that starts @ 1:39
Square should never make movies and the 2006 version is what pretty much unfinished
At the end of FFVII the original game,in the aftercredits if you listen closely there are three creepy kid voices(One laughing maniacally, one sobbing and the third barely audible just in case you have any doubts who those three grow up to be)coming from the Northern Crater. Also,the reason Aerith couldn`t stop Sephiroth anytime she wanted was because Sephiroth had absorbed JENOVA`s remains into himself allowing him to draw on all the negative energy within The Planet`s core slowly dispersing it throughout The Lifestream.Furthermore,Geostigma was the result of Sephiroth,JENOVA and Cloud`s collective alien cells infecting The Lifestream when Sephiroth and Cloud both fell into it in the final cutscene.The three Remnants were "born" from that contact in The Crater. This is why The Remnants had features from JENOVA,Sephiroth and Cloud and kept referring to JENOVA as "Mother"(Also,this was a hint of Sephiroth`s influence over their youthful psyches along with the hair,eyecolor and Kadaj`s God Complex and insanity),Cloud as "Big Brother" and the other Geostigma-infected children as "Brothers and sisters"
Kadaj-Sephiroth`s insanity,cruelty,talent for psychological manipulation(JENOVA would be proud, I'm sure),God Complex,love/hate relationship with Cloud(Which,for the record,I don`t see so much as gay but moreso as the "remnants"(See what I did there?) of the caring two old war buddies once shared before taking radically different paths in life),swordsmanship,worship of JENOVA and hatred for mankind and The Planet.
Loz-Sephiroth`s strength,agility and emotional soft spot for "MOTHER" displayed during The Nibelheim Incident
Yazoo-Sephiroth`s allure,stoicism and callous disregard for the destruction he causes to weaker,more dull-witted individuals. Also, I find it insanely satisfying that JENOVA`s babies were adopted by the woman she murdered in cold blood wearing her favorite "son`s" face. Yes,it`s a Deus Ex Machina ending but The Game had a Deus Ex Machina ending as well.
The first sentence is incorrect. What plays after the post-game scene is just the stock sound effect of children laughing that you hear in numerous commercials, TV shows, and movies. FFVII wasn't made with direct sequels in mind and wasn't trying to set anything up with that sound effect. It was just done to make the player wonder if humanity had managed to survive after all, or if what we're hearing is just the echo of a time gone by.
Lifestream, not even once
Geo shmegma 😌
No one should watch Advent Children in a language they understand. If you don't understand Japanese then watch it in Japanese. It doesn't make the script better but it makes it less obvious how bad it is.
WHAT IS THIS THUMBNAIL FOR FUCKS SAKE
Advent Children came out at the perfect time for me. I was 14, that's basically the age demographic right there. Did I care about the plot? Nope, I just loved the fights and the edgy soundtrack. Still really like the movie, although I can admit its many faults
Geo-ligma
Ah Advent Children, the beginning of overcomplicating and retroactively shitting all over FF7. Very happy they're still doing it with "Remake", very cool 😎
Before Crisis is the worst part of the compilation by far outside of maybe the 2nd book no one read in 2012. You have no idea how abysmal the overall plot end up as the thing goes along and the gameplay never evolves form the busywork of the opening hours. 3/10.
I enjoyed the movie but the story sucks hard. Terrible non sense.
man I dig the your videos, but omfg could you dial it back on the homophobic gay-jokes and low-key racism?
What? I'm not sure what ur referring to, but I did have edgy jokes in my older vids. Not something I'd do today, and they were 100% just jokes to me as well. I'm far left poltically, but not v poltically active otherwise. At least not at the time (I'm cool now). So I was deaf to things like dog whistles and didn't really consider how jokes I'd make in private with friends would come across to others publicly. So that might be what ur seeing here.
ThorHighHeels For a specific thing that caught my ear in this video and one or two others: “Jap” is regarded as a slur, at least in the US. Not saying you meant it that way, I have heard other European people use it as just shorthand for Japanese, but it’s really frowned on over here.