While this video is very much tongue-in-cheek, I think it's really interesting to consider how the X-Men franchise was able to flourish despite rarely staying true to the story it would establish in each movie. I think ultimately, the series' longevity in time was its greatest strength. The fact that it never outright rebooted itself helped the movies keep a sense of emotional weight that may not have been reinforced by their internal continuity, but was reinforced by the audience's familiarity. A movie like Logan couldn't exist without the history of the franchise that preceded it, good and bad, and I highly doubt we'll ever see a movie like that again under the Disney banner.
Thomas Grindol Lets simplify all the the junk he is saying, everything happened but not exactly as we remember it. When a new movie comes out a continuity error means the timeline has been rewritten.
Lewis Baldwin Lets simplify all the junk he is saying, everything happened but not exactly as we remember it. When a new movie comes out a continuity error means it is a new universe where everything is similar but not exactly as we remember. And in these similar universes are 2 branching timelines. Because an alternate timeline doesn't explain universal differences.
When I left the room as soon as Dark Phoenix ended: "But how is Jean dead if she showed up in the ending of Days of Future Past?" "How is Mystique dead and still appear 8 years later in X-Men?" "How did Magneto e Charles aged so quickly in 8 years?" "How did they meet Nightcrawler twice?" Me after I watched this video: Oh...
To be fair, she died in the original story and came back. There’s like 30-40 years between Dark Phoenix and where DOFP ends so it’s not too crazy of a leap to assume shit happened
@@jin-yoshida The first 10 minutes of Origins precedes both First Class and Days of Future Past. Then, both Apocalypse and Deadpool 2 showed us evidence that Origins still happened.
There is still a big continuity error that happens in the SAME movie: The Wolverine. In the begining he saves Yashida at the end of WW2 (whenever that is in that timeline). Then he goes through stryker off screen to get adamantium bones. His memory is erased during these events. Then when he goes to Japan, he still remembers Yashida, something that happened before his mind got erased. He shoukdn't know who he is
It's canon to X-men: Apocalypse: The ending of the film sets up Logan since it showed scientists collect the vial of his blood which explains how both Laura and X-24 were created. Plus, one of the soldiers Logan killed in that film is Dr. Xander Rice's father.
The thing with Kitty's prydes ability to send people back in time isn't too far fetched. In the comics mutants can develop more powers later on in their lifetime
So similar to how the flash vibrates molecules to phase he can also vibrate to different dimensions in some versions So maybe thats why kitty has that power she literally phases a persons mind into the place of an alternate counterpart This is my new headcanon
20 seconds in and i feel so old. I remember seeing X-Men 1 in cinema. Infact the sound mix when Wolverine wakes up and tries to escape the mansion and you hear Xavier saying "where are you going?" "he's over there" and hearing each line come from different speakers, with Jackman looking in the direction the sound came from, was the first time i truly appreciated great sound design.
The People behind the X-men Movies: *nervous Laughter* _Ughhh... yeah, thats... that’s exactly what we did. Yeah! You found it, haha, good on ya. *gulp*
It’s a way to look at it. I don’t think it’s too far fetched. Simply to put it: Fox doesn’t understand how to maintain a universe, and it’s continuity. They weren’t trying to bring about multiple timelines, and all. The whole X-men movie slate especially for the newer timeline is simply due to fox focusing on cashing in. The problem with Fox is their mindset, the mindset for (roughly) every single X-men movie is: what can we do RIGHT NOW that could make us a lot of money, but just right now? Vaughn wanted dofp to be the last movie in order to reset everything, and have all the original X-men back. Instead Fox decides to do dofp first, which doesn’t do anything for the timeline.
The MCU isn't that great with continuity either. First, they can't decide when the Iron Man films, Thor, and the Incredible Hulk take place. I know they all happen at the same time but we aren't given the exact year of when they take place (Kevin Fiege says they're set in 2010-11 but in Captain America: Civil War, Vision says it's been 8 years since Tony told everyone he's Iron Man which puts his film in 2008). Second, another film with the "8 years later" nonsense is Spider-Man: Homecoming when the tag should've said "4 years later". Third, there's still confusion over whether or not the Incredible Hulk is a sequel to the 2003 Hulk film. Fourth, Avengers: Age of Ultron blatantly ignored the ending to Iron Man 3 as if Tony never blew up his suits or promised Pepper that he'd retire. Fifth, they switched actors for the Hulk and War Machine. AND Lastly, the Captain Marvel film itself is a continuity error. It causes Nick Fury to suffer amnesia in the Avengers films (it's even more ridiculous that he would suddenly get his memories back by the end of Infinity War) and it caused Captain Marvel herself to be a lousy superhero for being absent during the Guardians of the Galaxy films and Thor: Ragnarok.
This was fantastic! You actually went to the "easy place" to go here, but you justified it in a not-as-easy way. The Kitty Pryde element was brilliant. Nice work!
X men first class X-men X-men 2 Last stand The Wolverine Days of futures past Logan You’re welcome. While not perfect it’s still a better look at the timeline .
@@josephballard3641 mmmm if you're saying that because of him getting his claws back I get it. But that movie still doesn't make sense in storyline cohesiveness. DFP brings him back to the mansion and everyone is back... Logan then picks up a few years later from that point and everyone is dead because Xavier killed everyone... Another reason why apocalypse won't work because dark Phoenix is a direct squeal from that apocalypse and if you haven't seen it... Well certain things happen that would fuck the timeline up even more lol
Something that has always bugged me is the fact that Siryn is in... I think X2 as a minor student character in the early 2000s, yet Banshee was killed off between First Class and Days of Future Past.
I always pretended in this universe instead of siryn being his daughter, she’s his granddaughter since he was born in the 1940’s and was a teenager in 1962
This is an in itself logical explanation for all the inconsistencies throughout the years. But it's probably not what about 15 different directors, story writers and producers had in mind when they were doing those movies in a span of almost 20 years.
My headcanon: Deadpool is actually the original timeline, but him messing around with Cable’s time travel device is what fucked up the entire continuity and fractured it into multiple separate universes.
Actually there are around 6 or 7 timelines in the films. - Earth-10005: Original X-Men Cinematic Universe. - Earth-17315: Logan Movie. - Earth-18315: Weapon XI killed by time-traveling Deadpool. - Earth-41633: Deadpool 2 (Vanessa Carlysle is murdered) - Earth-66250: Firefist killed Cable’s family. - Earth-TRN414: Revised X-Men Cinematic Universe. Original Timeline: - X-Men First Class. - X-Men origins Wolverine. - X-Men. - X2. - X-Men The last stand. - The Wolverine. - X-Men Days of Future Past (Future) New Timeline: - X-Men Days of Future Past (Past) - X-Men Apocalypse. - X-Men Dark Phoenix. - Deadpool. - Deadpool 2 (Vanessa Lives) - New Mutants.
Ms. Pond: Time can be rewritten. Nebula: That's not how it works! Marty McFly: What about all that talk about screwing up future events? The space-time continuum? Dr. Emmett Brown: Well, I figured, what the hell? Kryten: Precisely. That's why we're experiencing these curious time phenomena on board. The Cat: So, what is it? Ms. Pond: Time can be rewritten...
I'm giving you a like for going with the easiest, least annoying pedantic fanboy solution to continuity snares in existence. So simple, so easy, I am shocked no one has thought of it before. Bravo, sir. And to be clear, none of this sarcasm, I genuinely impressed by the balls you have to go this route. Not even I would have come down on this solution, but it so simple and yet so wonderously resonate, I love it. Thank you for this gift. This is a day of liberation for us all.
It's REALLY NOT HARD. X-Men: First Class is the prequel to BOTH timelines. Then you have X-Men Origins, X-Men, X2, X-Men: The Last Stand, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, X-Men: Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool, Deadpool 2 and Logan
@@m.stewart8094 ::YAWN:: It's a fucking MOVIE. Believe it or not, there are a LOT of inconsistencies in the MCU, especially after Captain Marvel, especially now after the big SNAP
Your explanation is good, but not quite satisfying because it defeats the whole purpose of a timeline. So instead, I thought of this. There are two timelines. The first starts with X-Men Origins and the second with First Class and it goes something like this: First Timeline 1- X-Men Origins: Wolverine 2- X-Men 3- X2 4- X-Men: The Last Stand 5- The Wolverine 6- X-Men: Days of a Future Past (Apocalyptic 2023) Second Timeline 1- X-Men: First Class 2- X-Men: Days of a Future Past 3- X-Men: Apocalypse 4- X-Men: Dark Phoenix 5- Deadpool 6- Deadpool 2 7- X-Men Days of a Future Past (2023) 8- Logan The first timeline doesn't include First Class to avoid numerous errors: In the first timeline, Charles has a twin brother and doesn't know Mystique, while in the second he is an only child and befriends Mystique as a child. While in the first timeline he meets Erik with 17 years old, in the second he and Magneto only meet in adulthood. They build Cerebro in the first, while Hank builts it in the second, and so on. This fixes the age of Emma Frost, Moira MacTaggert, Wade Wilson, Charles, Erik, Jean Grey, etc. While you think that X-Men Origins contradicts X-Men, I think they can be linked with the explanation that Victor Creed, like his brother, underwent experiments that changed his appearance and his powers, also leaving him without memories. So, when he and Logan meet in X-Men they don't recognize each other because both of them lost their memory (a rather sad ending to their bro story). Deadpool and Deadpool 2 were made to fit in the second chronology in the present, but because is Deadpool he breaks the fourth wall and has lots of references to the X-Men films like they were films. Technically he is not in neither timelines, but ignoring his out of place references they fit in the second timeline. Logan is supposed to be another timeline, but because X-Men films got cancelled it doesn't matter. So something happened between 2023 and 2029 that killed a lot of mutants, and Logan, Caliban and Charles survived. It is a good ending for the saga that started with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. This is my take on the timeline and I've tried to fix the continuity errors without making infinite timelines, I hope you read it and understand it.
This may add more errors but I think its safe to assume for the most part x-men is a constant in both timlines considering how its referenced in Logan.
Deadpool being separate always made sense to me, but for years I've been forming head-canons to fix inconsistencies with the other films (Wolverine to DOFP example: "Magneto gave Wolverine new claws", DOFP to Apocalypse: "The timeline change caused ripples and made Angel's family born decades earlier", Prequel actors looking the same: "Maybe the actors being young is just a way to express that the characters are younger in general and we don't need to put them in make-up."). This all makes sense now! Just slightly similar events are implied across every film. Genius!
oh boy, this is gonna be a long comment so I don't blame anyone for not reading it but I need to get this off my chest. I don't think the Fox X men film continuity is nearly as bad as many including this video suggests it is. Ofcourse there are things that make little to no since such as characters being born earlier or later after DOFP despite the fact that Trask's murder shouldn't have effected when they where conceived and probably the biggest ones are the ones involving First Class and X1(Magneto and Charles meeting in their 20s-30s in the 60s and Xavier knowing about Magneto's helmet despite X1 saying otherwise) and also Stryker's line in X2 "I just gave you claws" despite later films showing he had the bone claws prior to the Weapon X project. But most of the issues are easily explained with simple theories and suspension of disbelief. Let's start with the original timeline. Xavier seen walking in Origins and X3 is explained in DOFP where we are introduced to the serum Hank made, now ofcourse in DOFP the serum takes his powers away but seeing as how Origins and the opening to X3 are in 80s-90s range and DOFP is in the 70s that gives Hank plenty of time to create an updated version of the serum that allows Xavier to walk while also keeping his power intact. Erik being in the flashback in X3 isn't that hard to believe seeing as how Magneto constantly goes back and forth between allegiances in the films and even the source material and again there is plenty of time between the time periods that could allow Xavier and Erik to make amends and then break up again. the two Trasks and the two Emmas is very easily ignored because Trask despite the original intentions when those films where made, in X3 Trask is only referred to as "Mr. Trask" and never "Bolivar Trask" so he could easily just be a relative or just someone who shares his last name and Emma Frost is never named period in Origins so she can very easily just be a mutant with similar powers. Sabertooth looking and acting different isn't really a problem because again, there's enough time between X1 and Origins for Creed to let himself go(I should also note that it is very heavily implied in X1 that Creed DOES have a history with Logan with him taking the dog tags and all). Hank Building Cerebro in First Class I originally thought was problematic with X1 saying Magneto and Xavier had built it BUT it's important to note that the Cerebro Hank built in First Class is located at the CIA headquarters, not the mansion, so we could infer that Xavier and Magneto built the Cerebro we see in the mansion sometime during First Class Off screen. Kitty Pryde's time travel powers could have just been something she discovered she had between films since it's not exactly a power you would notice you had unless you knew about it. Singer explained in an interview that between The Wolverine and DOFP, Logan had Magneto put the Adamantium back on his claws witch is perfectly reasonable with how much time there is between films. Now onto the new timeline. The Phoenix issue isn't really an issue since the Phoenix flame we see Jean use at the end of Apocalypse is never stated or even implied to be the same as the cosmic force she gets in Dark Phoenix. Also Jean is implied to very much alive at the end of Dark Phoenix so that lines up fine with the end of DOFP. Xavier retiring isn't also really an issue since that's in the 90s while the end of DOFP is in the 2020s, that gives Charles plenty of time to at some point come out of retirement and become headmaster again. People also point out that in Logan the mutant population is said to have stopped during the 2000s witch seems to contradict the school being full at the end of DOFP BUT it is stated in Apocalypse that now that mutants and humans have better relations, Xavier hopes to make the school for both mutants and non mutants alike, so the younger kids at the school could very easily be non mutants. Deadpool actually lines up fine with the new timeline, and any oddities could be explained by Deadpool's fourth wall breaking abilities and him being an unreliable narrator. The actors not aging and changing between films is just something you gotta suspend disbelief with and just kinda pretend that they have aged
If they’re ever integrated into the MCU. They should have a couple scenes explaining the ton of continuity errors. As in, during those scenes, they set in stone what was/wasn’t canon. They could say…for example… - Moira McTaggert (Rose Byrne) = definitive one - Emma Frost died after First Class - Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, and Last Stand all never happened - Deadpool exists
Excellent video! Although the timeline inconsistencies are actually the result of incompetence (X3, DoFP, Apocalypse, and Dark Phoenix) all have the same writer. This explanation would've done wonders to make everything easier to stomach. Logan, is the most interesting thing though. That was intended to have taken place in the original timeline. Which make sense considering the future of DoFP, we could've assumed that while the Sentinel program was shutdown the X-Men still eventually got wiped out. Moving it to the new timeline actually raised more questions and essentially doomed it!
I'd actually argue that the whole "also paralyzed bit" actually does kinda make sense in its own right. See, it comes to remembering that Professor X has been paralyzed from the waist down since 1962. If you have been in a condition like that for 60 years, your mind begins to lose the basic information of how to use this part of the body. So in short, Charles Xavier forgot how to walk. As his mind (the mind, not the nerve functions) severed the mental connections to his legs after getting used to the paraplegic lifestyle.
OG timeline: First Class - Origins: Wolverine - Mystique kills Trask - X-Men - X2 - The Last Stand - The Wolverine - Days of Future Past (Future) New Timeline: First Class - Days of Future Past (Past) - Apocalypse - X-Men - X2 (Jean lives) - Days of Future Past (Ending) - Logan Dark Phoenix breaks the new timeline as Jean is alive in the ending of Days of Future Past. It must be left separate. Deadpool just hops about. Also I know Days of Future Past fixes the 80s and onwards and Origins: Wolverine takes place in the 70s. But Xavier is also Patrick Stewart in the 70s and James McAvoy in the 80s so what do I know.
What's good about the X men films (at least, the good ones) is that every movie is made to stand on its own and doesn't require you to have a knowledge of previous films before watching one. This brings us to what doesn't really work about the Disney marvel movies (majority of them). Every sub-par filler movie is forgiven by fans and critics alike because it's setting up the future films, which in turn are setting up more future films. Except for the beginning ones (Iron Man 1, Hulk (which technically weren't even produced by Disney to begin with)) and the concluding ones (infinity war, endgame), most of the movies don't really stand up on their own and feature pathetic sub-par and clichéd story-telling from an objective point of view, which are sometimes worse than the worst fox marvel films out there.
That's a very interesting theory. But there's one thing that punches a GIANT hole in it. Remember that scene from days of future past where young charles looks through Logan's mind to try to see the future and he sees all the events of the previous X-men movies? How would wolverine have those memories of every previous movie if all the movies take place in a different timeline?
HAHAHAHAHAHA I love how the timeline is so fkd that you can't even disregard it's existence, it forces you to accept that it is impossible but not nonexistent
Timeline is very easy :D Original timeline: First class Origins X-men X2 X-men last stand The wolverine The new timeline: Days of future past Apocalypse Dark Phoenix Logan There you go :D
Jennifer Lawrence: I need you to fix the X-Men X-Men Fans: The X-Men are literally perfection Jennifer Lawrence: They will be.....once they become the X-Women.
I'm fine with the idea that its just a pretty straight up timeline stacked with continuity errors (that goes : First Class - Origins - X1 - X2 - X3 - The Wolverine - DOFP (Reboot) - Apocalypse - Dark Phoenix - Deadpool 1 - Deadpool 2 - New Mutants - Logan)
The mcu messed up the timeline once with Spider-Man homecoming saying there was 8 years between avengers and Spider-Man homecoming when it was actually 4 years between the two
Technically the series is ongoing. If the MCU makes the multiverse an official thing, that means every Marvel movie to date, is part of one timeline spread out across multiple realities.
Who's to say that Disney won't continue this. they're going to make their own continuity with different actors and different people and basically the same premise but it will be once again in a completely different universe and timeline. This fox X-Men theory can keep going until the end of the x men
I knew it!!! Thank you for putting it into words. This is how I came to stop caring about continuity and appreciate each individual film for what it is!
3:44 if you Days of Future Past, you know the Charles took a serum for many years that allowed him to walk, and since the clip in question happens in the original timeline, Wolverine had not gone back to the 70s and gotten Charles out of his depression, so the reason Charles is walking is because he was still taking the serum from Dofp
I'm pretty sure this is what's going on in Mortal Kombat, too. All the retcons between games? Kronika did it. That's why Skarlet is completely different in Mk11 than she is in MK9. And why Scorpion and Sub-Zero were white guys in the first games, and then suddenly Asian Men in later iterations. And why no one knows what the heck Reptile is supposed to look like.
It's almost as if Kitty Pryde's true power is the ability to phase through space and time itself. First it manifested as simply walking through walls, but as she grew older it became more powerful until eventually she discovered that she could phase through the very fabric of time and space itself. But since she can only send her or someone else's mind back through time to their younger body; she has to send herself back to any point prior to the last film in the franchise, which changes the timeline just enough to explain why the next film may contradict the last one. So, the true main character of the Fox X-Men is really Kitty Pryde because every film shows us the consequences of her powers as she phases through time and creates a new timeline within the next sequel. Which is something that only Deadpool can truly see. It finally makes perfect sense and is ingenious, she's been the movie universe's version of Moira MacTaggert this entire time!
I think after Sabertooth helped Wolverine defeat “Deadpool”, he went back to working with Stryker for a little while after 1979 until Stryker had no use for him and erased his memories and by the time Sabertooth joined the brotherhood of mutants m, he couldn’t remember Wolverine
For me, it goes X1, X2 with Jean dying at the end, First Class, DOFP which has Wolverine seeing Jean alive at the end, then finishes with Logan. simple, trims the fat and makes far more sense
I never understood why this was such a big deal comic books are always retconing and re booting themselves and changing histories why can't the movies do it as well
Bravo! You did it! It’s the only way this mess could make sense. For example, Logan’s samurai sword shows up in “Logan”, but that couldn’t happen because “The Wolverine” was undone by DoFP. This explanation is the only one that holds water (though I think we give Fox too much credit saying it was intentional).
The funny thing is that you don't even need to pay atention to the details to realize that it isnt' a cohesive storyline, but what the heck if the producers don't care, why should we?
I know precisely how they could have fixed Dark Phoenix: 1. Bring back the Hellfire Club In doing so, not only is this more faithful to the comics, it gives the movie a sense of finality, ending the rebooted series where it began. Keep Selene and bring in Mastermind. Make him Sebastian Shaw's brother or something, thereby giving him a personal vendetta against the X-Men which is only further fueled by Xavier's growing influence as the world's leading mutant authority. He would then seduce Jean exactly as he does in the comics, acting as the catalyst for Dark Phoenix and resulting in a revenge massacre and the horrific deaths of the Hellfire Club. 2. Bring back Psylocke In a story featuring powerful telepaths, having Psylocke on the roster could have been great. Moreover, as a loose end, one that the X-Men are aware of and could potentially damage human/mutant relations, it would make sense for them to want to track her down. Feeling defeated and lost after her blind devotion to Apocalypse, Psylocke could have a redemption arc of sorts and could offer an insight on what it means to be corrupted and succumb to darkness. 3. Shown Jean misusing her powers One thing this movie really tried and failed to do was to show the major differences in Jean before and after her Phoenix possession. This, however is a relatively easy fix. Have Jean read minds to the point that she knows what the X-Men want to say before they say it. Have Jean telepathically track down Psylocke's location without using Cerebro. In the party scene, have the students fail to start the bonfire and Jean igniting it effortlessly. All of these things should surprise the team and even Jean herself. Then when the X-Men track down Psylocke, have Jean do something scary like accidentally kill one of Psylocke's mercenaries when she was trying to stun them. Part of the reason why Mastermind's plan is so effective is because the X-Men start to distance themselves from Jean and while she is used to that from the other students at the school, taking that from her friends make her feel alone. 4. Keep the D'bari storyline The D'Bari's backstory could be the same with some changes and some elements from the Shi'Ar. The Phoenix could have wiped out their homeworld long before Jean was born, but when she manifested the Phoenix in Apocalypse, it caught their attention and they created the space shuttle problem to lure Jean out. That said, they should be more flushed out, with defined personalities and powers. 5. Alter Jean's backstory Keep the bit about Jean killing her mom, but have her also telepathically experience the feeling of death, and temporarily preventing her mom from dying. This would catch the eye of the Phoenix Force and it will have decided to merge with Jean right then and there. However, given the psychic blocks Xavier plants in Jean's young mind. the Phoenix remained dormant until Jean herself took them down in Apocalypse, unknowingly giving control back to it. Given everything they already changed about the origin of the Phoenix, this is probably the best way of telling the story in the film series. 6. Give Mystique something to do It's no secret that Jennifer Lawrence wanted out of the series, but Mystique should have been more than cannon fodder. When Jean emerges as the Black Queen, have the X-Men get captured by the Hellfire Club and have both Mystique and Psylocke infiltrate their base and free the team. This gives them both some good shine moments and character development, as well as the redemption arc for Psylocke. Mystique could then be killed by Selene, and her death could break the hold Mastermind has over Jean. 7. Do the Blue Area of the Moon fight After Dark Phoenix kills the Hellfire Club, defeats the X-men, and is psychically contained by Xavier and Jean, the D'bari strike and Xavier invokes a trial by combat for the fate of Jean. The X-men are defeated and Cyclops is wounded, setting Jean off once again. Vuk then seizes this opportunity to steal the force for herself and Jean, after having said her goodbyes, flies them both into orbit and there is an explosion, seemingly killing them both. It's not perfect, but it's about as good as this movie could have been without all of the essential properties and story build up.
Interesting theory but... Erik was enprisoned in a concentration camp as a child/teenager. If different versions were born in ten-year increments then all but one would have missed this pivotal event referenced in multiple films From X-Men (2000) through X-Men: Apocalypse.
The Wolverine isn't a sequel to X - Men 3, it comes years after X3, yes, but isn't it's sequel, it's Wolverine Origins' sequel, and Logan concludes that trilogy, Wolverine's trilogy movies.
I think you had your answer in the beginning... different directors. For some reason, they are given entirely too much creative freedom and run with it. They want to make their movie their own so they do. With no care about people clearly knowing things won’t add up. It comes down to pride. They want to leave their mark on the world... not be left with sloppy seconds.
It WAS that they hired different actresses for Kitty. You're over-thinking it. There are 2 main timelines: The X-Men timeline and the First Class timeline. The X-Men timeline includes X-Men, X2 and X3. First Class has First Class, Days of Future Past, Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. X-Men Origens: Wolverine is a prequel to X-Men. The Wolverine and Logan are in the X-Men timeline due to Logan imagining dead Jean Grey. Deadpool is probably in his own part of the multiverse (one with at least the X-Men and SHIELD.) Yiu can't force everything to fit. Many of the inconsistencies are due to lazy writing. Kitty being able to send minds into the past is stupid. The writers wanted to do an homage to her being the one who went back in time in the comic story, but 5hey really should have found a way to use Scott and Jean's daughter. The ending of Dark Phoenix didn't tie into anything because it was a poorly-written, poorly-plotted movie.
Wow Ross! That is some explanation, and thanks very much for it. I've been trying to make sense of the X-Men timeline for ages, and just could not do it at all! Thanks for making this clear - well, as clear as it could be made. The filmmakers need to understand that constant re-boots are not good for longevity or continuity at all, even if the films are visually appealing. I don't suppose the Fantastic Four would fit into Fox's X-Men Universe, would they?... I hope the Disney acquisition of Fox will mean the X-Men characters (and the Fantastic Four, even) will get meaningful chronological updates. This has been a great strength of the MCU acorss more than decade of films, and TV series.
HOW I WOULD CHANGE THE X MEN TIMELINE AFTER DOFP: I wanted to have the orig x men fight apocalypse in the 2016 movie version, i want to make them think that everything is all right now but then charles senses something darker is being arised from the deapths of hell (which is apocalypse). Apocalypse gets a thanos like introduction kinda like infinity war ( a bad guy with the same motives which is to cleanse the earth from the weak). So now we skip to the fighting and it would explain somehow fighting apocalypse did something to logan which made his healing slow. (thus made him aged in logan) Aswell as apocalypse brainwashing prof x to kill the other xmen besides logan to really show that brutal and intellectual power of apocalypse but is still somehow defeated by wolverine in the end, but it'll be a close call. And in the end all you see is wolverine and charles tired and inshocked of seeing all the xmen dead because of apocalpyse's doing. Then it would lead up to the logan movie in the near future.
I just watched these how I feel was the correct way to do so I would start with X-Men First Class, then the 3 first X-Men films X, X2 and Last Stand. Then The Wolverine. Then Days of Future Past and end it with Logan. It felt good enough
I tried my best to make a list of the timelines the X-men have Note: this is my personal list and it’s fine that others have ways of explaining X-men Timeline 1: Original 3 X-men plus The Wolverine Tells a story across 3 movies and a spin-off continuing Connects to Days of Futures Past Timeline 2: Origins Wolverine Ignored by every other timeline except when Deadpool from Deadpool 2 goes back in time and shoots Wade Timeline 2.5 X-men Origins Wolverine the game Because sure why not Timeline 3: First Class and Days of futures past Aspects of First Class don’t connect to other movies but is connected through the sequel Days of Futures Past Timeline 4: Post Futures past (Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix) Officially retcons the previous movies except First Class and Days of Futures Past Although Dark Phoenix ignored the ending of Apocalypse Timeline 5: Deadpool 1 and Deadpool 2 Timeline 6: Alternate Deadpool 2 Deadpool goes back in time and kills Origins Wade? Kills Ryan Reynolds before he’s Green Lantern? Timeline 7: Logan Acknowledges aspects of all movies but never says what actually happened Timeline 8: New Mutants Connections unknown until 2020 Timeline 9: Gifted Unknown connections until watching the show Although sentinels are involved and characters for Days of future past show up So Connections Timeline 10: Legion Professor Xavier’s life plays out differently and creates the Legion timeline
Except your theory falls to pieces when you consider that in every movie we see Magnetos stamp mark from the WW2 concentration camp so he has a fixed point in all movies for his childhood.
A comic that takes place between X Men and X Men 2 shows that Sabertooth went with Magneto to restore memories, so that’s why he does not acknowledge Logan
While this video is very much tongue-in-cheek, I think it's really interesting to consider how the X-Men franchise was able to flourish despite rarely staying true to the story it would establish in each movie. I think ultimately, the series' longevity in time was its greatest strength. The fact that it never outright rebooted itself helped the movies keep a sense of emotional weight that may not have been reinforced by their internal continuity, but was reinforced by the audience's familiarity. A movie like Logan couldn't exist without the history of the franchise that preceded it, good and bad, and I highly doubt we'll ever see a movie like that again under the Disney banner.
Go back to Heaven Lord and Savior.
Are you doing flash season 5 pls answer so i stop asking
@@Coopfit most likely yes. But how much you wanna bet Ross is done with the show after season 5? Cause I know I am.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 i will still watch season 6, what else does a edgy 15 year old watch
@@Coopfit Daredevil, The Gifted, Stranger Things, Married Children, Smallville, The DCATU shows, The Dark Knight, The Avengers.
"I fixed the X-Men timeline."
How?
"It's not a timeline."
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More like a series of independent time dots.
Hariharan Vallath what?
@@ginge641 You agitatin' my dots?!
Like transformers
**GASP*
5:44 you’re going to eat those words when New Mutants come out in 3020.
Thomas Grindol Lets simplify all the the junk he is saying, everything happened but not exactly as we remember it. When a new movie comes out a continuity error means the timeline has been rewritten.
@Life Upgrade That's the best way to summarize all the things that he said
*6094
I believe you mean X-men ghost school
@david Hix lol, a fellow weekly wackadadoo, I see
You know, the X-Men franchise ignoring their own continuity may be the one thing making it the most autentic cinematic universe to the comics
I hate how true that is
The time line is simple if you remember one rule.
Flash point did it
Lewis Baldwin Lets simplify all the junk he is saying, everything happened but not exactly as we remember it. When a new movie comes out a continuity error means it is a new universe where everything is similar but not exactly as we remember. And in these similar universes are 2 branching timelines. Because an alternate timeline doesn't explain universal differences.
Lmao
@FN-1701AgentGodzillaRangerPrime
It isn't garbage, but he did indeed spam it.
When I left the room as soon as Dark Phoenix ended:
"But how is Jean dead if she showed up in the ending of Days of Future Past?"
"How is Mystique dead and still appear 8 years later in X-Men?"
"How did Magneto e Charles aged so quickly in 8 years?"
"How did they meet Nightcrawler twice?"
Me after I watched this video: Oh...
Brucinho underrated af comment
@@Minezum Oh, makes sense. I thought only X3 and Origins had been removed. Thanks.
To be fair, she died in the original story and came back. There’s like 30-40 years between Dark Phoenix and where DOFP ends so it’s not too crazy of a leap to assume shit happened
@@jin-yoshida
The first 10 minutes of Origins precedes both First Class and Days of Future Past.
Then, both Apocalypse and Deadpool 2 showed us evidence that Origins still happened.
You jst stupid
Deadpool is just a glitch between the MCU and the X-Men universe.
Its the comics in Logan
Deadpool is a bit of a Cartoon
This take aged well…
Lol
By the time we figured it out it was already over
…Or is it?
"That's the funny thing about time travel. The more you do it, the less the rules apply to you."
Looks like Savitar's dumb line is making sense.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 pretty sure it was reverse flash
@@javisosa3580 no that was definitely savitar
@@nytsert that was definitely The Rival
Dongle bro reverse flash said that during the most recent episode
Start of the video: “This is a joke!”
End of the video: “I am now woke!”
me 😭
There is still a big continuity error that happens in the SAME movie: The Wolverine.
In the begining he saves Yashida at the end of WW2 (whenever that is in that timeline). Then he goes through stryker off screen to get adamantium bones. His memory is erased during these events. Then when he goes to Japan, he still remembers Yashida, something that happened before his mind got erased. He shoukdn't know who he is
That's the thing about brain certain things makes you recall plus professor x helped him a Lil
Professor X restored his memory between X2: X-Men United and X-Men: The Last Stand.
Finally someone that makes sense, and points out that the writers are just too damn lazy when it comes to maintaining a continuity.
“Did you do it?”
“Yes.”
“And what did it cost?”
“ A headache”
I think you have solve the James Bond Cinematic universe
What’s canon. To me :
First class
DOFP
X-men 1
X2
Logan
All other movies are not canon
I know The Wolverine can't exist without X-Men 3, but I really love that movie.
(The Wolverine. Not X-Men 3.)
It's canon to X-men: Apocalypse: The ending of the film sets up Logan since it showed scientists collect the vial of his blood which explains how both Laura and X-24 were created. Plus, one of the soldiers Logan killed in that film is Dr. Xander Rice's father.
@Mr. Perfect Cell stop with hugh jackman misinterpretation, the director confirmed twice that it's canon to the revised timeline.
Dofp cant exist with out last stand
Perfect.
The thing with Kitty's prydes ability to send people back in time isn't too far fetched. In the comics mutants can develop more powers later on in their lifetime
So similar to how the flash vibrates molecules to phase he can also vibrate to different dimensions in some versions
So maybe thats why kitty has that power she literally phases a persons mind into the place of an alternate counterpart
This is my new headcanon
i thought that was how they explained it in days of future past. well not the alternate dimension part but phasing minds into younger versions
20 seconds in and i feel so old. I remember seeing X-Men 1 in cinema. Infact the sound mix when Wolverine wakes up and tries to escape the mansion and you hear Xavier saying "where are you going?" "he's over there" and hearing each line come from different speakers, with Jackman looking in the direction the sound came from, was the first time i truly appreciated great sound design.
The People behind the X-men Movies:
*nervous Laughter*
_Ughhh... yeah, thats... that’s exactly what we did. Yeah! You found it, haha, good on ya.
*gulp*
It’s a way to look at it. I don’t think it’s too far fetched. Simply to put it: Fox doesn’t understand how to maintain a universe, and it’s continuity. They weren’t trying to bring about multiple timelines, and all. The whole X-men movie slate especially for the newer timeline is simply due to fox focusing on cashing in. The problem with Fox is their mindset, the mindset for (roughly) every single X-men movie is: what can we do RIGHT NOW that could make us a lot of money, but just right now? Vaughn wanted dofp to be the last movie in order to reset everything, and have all the original X-men back. Instead Fox decides to do dofp first, which doesn’t do anything for the timeline.
The MCU isn't that great with continuity either.
First, they can't decide when the Iron Man films, Thor, and the Incredible Hulk take place. I know they all happen at the same time but we aren't given the exact year of when they take place (Kevin Fiege says they're set in 2010-11 but in Captain America: Civil War, Vision says it's been 8 years since Tony told everyone he's Iron Man which puts his film in 2008).
Second, another film with the "8 years later" nonsense is Spider-Man: Homecoming when the tag should've said "4 years later".
Third, there's still confusion over whether or not the Incredible Hulk is a sequel to the 2003 Hulk film.
Fourth, Avengers: Age of Ultron blatantly ignored the ending to Iron Man 3 as if Tony never blew up his suits or promised Pepper that he'd retire.
Fifth, they switched actors for the Hulk and War Machine.
AND
Lastly, the Captain Marvel film itself is a continuity error. It causes Nick Fury to suffer amnesia in the Avengers films (it's even more ridiculous that he would suddenly get his memories back by the end of Infinity War) and it caused Captain Marvel herself to be a lousy superhero for being absent during the Guardians of the Galaxy films and Thor: Ragnarok.
This was fantastic! You actually went to the "easy place" to go here, but you justified it in a not-as-easy way. The Kitty Pryde element was brilliant. Nice work!
Woah.
Didn't expect you here.
@@sheikhheisen I like letting people know they've done nice work. :-)
So basically the correct X-Men timeline is that there isn’t a timeline. That’s... fun I guess
X men first class
X-men
X-men 2
Last stand
The Wolverine
Days of futures past
Logan
You’re welcome. While not perfect it’s still a better look at the timeline .
Logan doesn't happen without apocalypse
@@josephballard3641 Why not ?
@@josephballard3641 mmmm if you're saying that because of him getting his claws back I get it. But that movie still doesn't make sense in storyline cohesiveness. DFP brings him back to the mansion and everyone is back... Logan then picks up a few years later from that point and everyone is dead because Xavier killed everyone... Another reason why apocalypse won't work because dark Phoenix is a direct squeal from that apocalypse and if you haven't seen it... Well certain things happen that would fuck the timeline up even more lol
@@kevinosorio9165 I see what you're saying. You don't the think the Essex Easter egg at the end of apocalypse sets up Logan?
Nice theory but i doubt that Fox intended for it to work that way. The answer most likely is: poor writing
Professor X and Magneto's relationship is very simple "they met when they were 35, then they were 35 for 40 years until they became 75."
Something that has always bugged me is the fact that Siryn is in... I think X2 as a minor student character in the early 2000s, yet Banshee was killed off between First Class and Days of Future Past.
I always pretended in this universe instead of siryn being his daughter, she’s his granddaughter since he was born in the 1940’s and was a teenager in 1962
This is an in itself logical explanation for all the inconsistencies throughout the years. But it's probably not what about 15 different directors, story writers and producers had in mind when they were doing those movies in a span of almost 20 years.
My headcanon: Deadpool is actually the original timeline, but him messing around with Cable’s time travel device is what fucked up the entire continuity and fractured it into multiple separate universes.
Actually there are around 6 or 7 timelines in the films.
- Earth-10005: Original X-Men Cinematic Universe.
- Earth-17315: Logan Movie.
- Earth-18315: Weapon XI killed by time-traveling Deadpool.
- Earth-41633: Deadpool 2 (Vanessa Carlysle is murdered)
- Earth-66250: Firefist killed Cable’s family.
- Earth-TRN414: Revised X-Men Cinematic Universe.
Original Timeline:
- X-Men First Class.
- X-Men origins Wolverine.
- X-Men.
- X2.
- X-Men The last stand.
- The Wolverine.
- X-Men Days of Future Past (Future)
New Timeline:
- X-Men Days of Future Past (Past)
- X-Men Apocalypse.
- X-Men Dark Phoenix.
- Deadpool.
- Deadpool 2 (Vanessa Lives)
- New Mutants.
it should be Apocalypse Wolverine Origin not Origins Origin
TRN = Temporal Reality Number. Those aren't official. Logan is the Revised Timeline designation.
"TIME TRAVEL!"
-Professor Hulk
Ms. Pond: Time can be rewritten.
Nebula: That's not how it works!
Marty McFly: What about all that talk about screwing up future events? The space-time continuum?
Dr. Emmett Brown: Well, I figured, what the hell?
Kryten: Precisely. That's why we're experiencing these curious time phenomena on board.
The Cat: So, what is it?
Ms. Pond: Time can be rewritten...
I thought Logan existed in the original timeline. He has a whole exchange with Charles about the Statue of Liberty
Doesn't mean that couldn't have been a different time to the first X-Men film, LOL
Quicksilver appearing in X Men Origins: Wolverine and X Men: Days Of Future Past
Retcon, that's not Quicksilver.
I see Days of Future Past as the end for me, plus Logan after that. I don't consider Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix part of the grand timeline.
Same
no one does. dont worry. DOFP is the epic finale and Logan is the dark but satisfying epilogue
I'm giving you a like for going with the easiest, least annoying pedantic fanboy solution to continuity snares in existence. So simple, so easy, I am shocked no one has thought of it before. Bravo, sir. And to be clear, none of this sarcasm, I genuinely impressed by the balls you have to go this route. Not even I would have come down on this solution, but it so simple and yet so wonderously resonate, I love it. Thank you for this gift. This is a day of liberation for us all.
It's REALLY NOT HARD. X-Men: First Class is the prequel to BOTH timelines. Then you have X-Men Origins, X-Men, X2, X-Men: The Last Stand, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, X-Men: Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool, Deadpool 2 and Logan
Nope. Doesn't explain the Mystique/Prof X retconed relationship or the inconsistencies in how Charles and Mags met Cerebra etc.
@@m.stewart8094 ::YAWN:: It's a fucking MOVIE. Believe it or not, there are a LOT of inconsistencies in the MCU, especially after Captain Marvel, especially now after the big SNAP
@LukeLovesRose seriously..that's your excuse? 😂
@@SupportGamin2024 Its not an excuse. It's the truth. So let's be real
Your explanation is good, but not quite satisfying because it defeats the whole purpose of a timeline. So instead, I thought of this. There are two timelines. The first starts with X-Men Origins and the second with First Class and it goes something like this:
First Timeline
1- X-Men Origins: Wolverine
2- X-Men
3- X2
4- X-Men: The Last Stand
5- The Wolverine
6- X-Men: Days of a Future Past (Apocalyptic 2023)
Second Timeline
1- X-Men: First Class
2- X-Men: Days of a Future Past
3- X-Men: Apocalypse
4- X-Men: Dark Phoenix
5- Deadpool
6- Deadpool 2
7- X-Men Days of a Future Past (2023)
8- Logan
The first timeline doesn't include First Class to avoid numerous errors: In the first timeline, Charles has a twin brother and doesn't know Mystique, while in the second he is an only child and befriends Mystique as a child. While in the first timeline he meets Erik with 17 years old, in the second he and Magneto only meet in adulthood. They build Cerebro in the first, while Hank builts it in the second, and so on. This fixes the age of Emma Frost, Moira MacTaggert, Wade Wilson, Charles, Erik, Jean Grey, etc.
While you think that X-Men Origins contradicts X-Men, I think they can be linked with the explanation that Victor Creed, like his brother, underwent experiments that changed his appearance and his powers, also leaving him without memories. So, when he and Logan meet in X-Men they don't recognize each other because both of them lost their memory (a rather sad ending to their bro story).
Deadpool and Deadpool 2 were made to fit in the second chronology in the present, but because is Deadpool he breaks the fourth wall and has lots of references to the X-Men films like they were films. Technically he is not in neither timelines, but ignoring his out of place references they fit in the second timeline.
Logan is supposed to be another timeline, but because X-Men films got cancelled it doesn't matter. So something happened between 2023 and 2029 that killed a lot of mutants, and Logan, Caliban and Charles survived. It is a good ending for the saga that started with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.
This is my take on the timeline and I've tried to fix the continuity errors without making infinite timelines, I hope you read it and understand it.
This may add more errors but I think its safe to assume for the most part x-men is a constant in both timlines considering how its referenced in Logan.
I havent seen dark phoenix yet so that may provide definitive evidence to the contrary but this is what makes sense to me.
Bruh first class takes place before Origins it's literally when Xavier and Magneto met
@@SupportGamin2024 Not the same timeline though, too many contradictions with the original trilogy and Origins
Deadpool being separate always made sense to me, but for years I've been forming head-canons to fix inconsistencies with the other films (Wolverine to DOFP example: "Magneto gave Wolverine new claws", DOFP to Apocalypse: "The timeline change caused ripples and made Angel's family born decades earlier", Prequel actors looking the same: "Maybe the actors being young is just a way to express that the characters are younger in general and we don't need to put them in make-up."). This all makes sense now! Just slightly similar events are implied across every film. Genius!
You forgot The Gifted and Legion (somewhere).
Anyway Marvel's Mutant here we come.
TDLR : it's a mess, with a lack of vision and a lack of planning.
Ross Mclntyre: I solved the X-Men timeline
Me: Impossible
The X-men movies are much like buying random X-men comics and trying to piece them together
Aaron Axt 😂
oh boy, this is gonna be a long comment so I don't blame anyone for not reading it but I need to get this off my chest. I don't think the Fox X men film continuity is nearly as bad as many including this video suggests it is. Ofcourse there are things that make little to no since such as characters being born earlier or later after DOFP despite the fact that Trask's murder shouldn't have effected when they where conceived and probably the biggest ones are the ones involving First Class and X1(Magneto and Charles meeting in their 20s-30s in the 60s and Xavier knowing about Magneto's helmet despite X1 saying otherwise) and also Stryker's line in X2 "I just gave you claws" despite later films showing he had the bone claws prior to the Weapon X project. But most of the issues are easily explained with simple theories and suspension of disbelief.
Let's start with the original timeline. Xavier seen walking in Origins and X3 is explained in DOFP where we are introduced to the serum Hank made, now ofcourse in DOFP the serum takes his powers away but seeing as how Origins and the opening to X3 are in 80s-90s range and DOFP is in the 70s that gives Hank plenty of time to create an updated version of the serum that allows Xavier to walk while also keeping his power intact. Erik being in the flashback in X3 isn't that hard to believe seeing as how Magneto constantly goes back and forth between allegiances in the films and even the source material and again there is plenty of time between the time periods that could allow Xavier and Erik to make amends and then break up again. the two Trasks and the two Emmas is very easily ignored because Trask despite the original intentions when those films where made, in X3 Trask is only referred to as "Mr. Trask" and never "Bolivar Trask" so he could easily just be a relative or just someone who shares his last name and Emma Frost is never named period in Origins so she can very easily just be a mutant with similar powers. Sabertooth looking and acting different isn't really a problem because again, there's enough time between X1 and Origins for Creed to let himself go(I should also note that it is very heavily implied in X1 that Creed DOES have a history with Logan with him taking the dog tags and all). Hank Building Cerebro in First Class I originally thought was problematic with X1 saying Magneto and Xavier had built it BUT it's important to note that the Cerebro Hank built in First Class is located at the CIA headquarters, not the mansion, so we could infer that Xavier and Magneto built the Cerebro we see in the mansion sometime during First Class Off screen. Kitty Pryde's time travel powers could have just been something she discovered she had between films since it's not exactly a power you would notice you had unless you knew about it. Singer explained in an interview that between The Wolverine and DOFP, Logan had Magneto put the Adamantium back on his claws witch is perfectly reasonable with how much time there is between films.
Now onto the new timeline. The Phoenix issue isn't really an issue since the Phoenix flame we see Jean use at the end of Apocalypse is never stated or even implied to be the same as the cosmic force she gets in Dark Phoenix. Also Jean is implied to very much alive at the end of Dark Phoenix so that lines up fine with the end of DOFP. Xavier retiring isn't also really an issue since that's in the 90s while the end of DOFP is in the 2020s, that gives Charles plenty of time to at some point come out of retirement and become headmaster again. People also point out that in Logan the mutant population is said to have stopped during the 2000s witch seems to contradict the school being full at the end of DOFP BUT it is stated in Apocalypse that now that mutants and humans have better relations, Xavier hopes to make the school for both mutants and non mutants alike, so the younger kids at the school could very easily be non mutants. Deadpool actually lines up fine with the new timeline, and any oddities could be explained by Deadpool's fourth wall breaking abilities and him being an unreliable narrator. The actors not aging and changing between films is just something you gotta suspend disbelief with and just kinda pretend that they have aged
Thank you, why people can't seem to grasp their imaginations to fill in some gaps is beyond me, no they need overflooded with in-your-face exposition.
I love the music choice because it perfectly symbolizes the spiral into madness that any fan of these movies has had to experience over the years
If they’re ever integrated into the MCU. They should have a couple scenes explaining the ton of continuity errors. As in, during those scenes, they set in stone what was/wasn’t canon.
They could say…for example…
- Moira McTaggert (Rose Byrne) = definitive one
- Emma Frost died after First Class
- Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, and Last Stand all never happened
- Deadpool exists
There is no timeline. FC, DOFP, Apocalypse and DP are reboots
First class is clearly a prequel
Excellent video! Although the timeline inconsistencies are actually the result of incompetence (X3, DoFP, Apocalypse, and Dark Phoenix) all have the same writer. This explanation would've done wonders to make everything easier to stomach.
Logan, is the most interesting thing though. That was intended to have taken place in the original timeline. Which make sense considering the future of DoFP, we could've assumed that while the Sentinel program was shutdown the X-Men still eventually got wiped out. Moving it to the new timeline actually raised more questions and essentially doomed it!
I'd actually argue that the whole "also paralyzed bit" actually does kinda make sense in its own right. See, it comes to remembering that Professor X has been paralyzed from the waist down since 1962. If you have been in a condition like that for 60 years, your mind begins to lose the basic information of how to use this part of the body. So in short, Charles Xavier forgot how to walk. As his mind (the mind, not the nerve functions) severed the mental connections to his legs after getting used to the paraplegic lifestyle.
OG timeline: First Class - Origins: Wolverine - Mystique kills Trask - X-Men - X2 - The Last Stand - The Wolverine - Days of Future Past (Future)
New Timeline: First Class - Days of Future Past (Past) - Apocalypse - X-Men - X2 (Jean lives) - Days of Future Past (Ending) - Logan
Dark Phoenix breaks the new timeline as Jean is alive in the ending of Days of Future Past. It must be left separate.
Deadpool just hops about.
Also I know Days of Future Past fixes the 80s and onwards and Origins: Wolverine takes place in the 70s. But Xavier is also Patrick Stewart in the 70s and James McAvoy in the 80s so what do I know.
What's good about the X men films (at least, the good ones) is that every movie is made to stand on its own and doesn't require you to have a knowledge of previous films before watching one. This brings us to what doesn't really work about the Disney marvel movies (majority of them). Every sub-par filler movie is forgiven by fans and critics alike because it's setting up the future films, which in turn are setting up more future films. Except for the beginning ones (Iron Man 1, Hulk (which technically weren't even produced by Disney to begin with)) and the concluding ones (infinity war, endgame), most of the movies don't really stand up on their own and feature pathetic sub-par and clichéd story-telling from an objective point of view, which are sometimes worse than the worst fox marvel films out there.
I've settled on them all being separate for a few years now, but the Kitty Pryde theory is definitely a fun way to look at it. Great video!
That's a very interesting theory. But there's one thing that punches a GIANT hole in it. Remember that scene from days of future past where young charles looks through Logan's mind to try to see the future and he sees all the events of the previous X-men movies? How would wolverine have those memories of every previous movie if all the movies take place in a different timeline?
HAHAHAHAHAHA I love how the timeline is so fkd that you can't even disregard it's existence, it forces you to accept that it is impossible but not nonexistent
Flash season 5 Video?
Oh, no. Sorry, bud. Ever since season 4, he completely tuned the f*ck out of that show, it had gotten so dumb.
*meanwhile at the Salty Spitoon*
"Yeah we've all seen those movies."
"And solved the Xmen Time Line."
"Right this way sir."
Timeline is very easy :D
Original timeline:
First class
Origins
X-men
X2
X-men last stand
The wolverine
The new timeline:
Days of future past
Apocalypse
Dark Phoenix
Logan
There you go :D
It ain’t x-men it’s X-MA’AM!
YOU SHOULD CHANGE THE NAME TO XWAHMEN
Jennifer Lawrence: I need you to fix the X-Men
X-Men Fans: The X-Men are literally perfection
Jennifer Lawrence: They will be.....once they become the X-Women.
Yes transphobia is hilarious
@@oliverhayhoe transphobia doesn't exist dummy
I stopped in just to check if the video would just be a guy taking a bat to the entire X-Men DVD set.
I'm fine with the idea that its just a pretty straight up timeline stacked with continuity errors (that goes : First Class - Origins - X1 - X2 - X3 - The Wolverine - DOFP (Reboot) - Apocalypse - Dark Phoenix - Deadpool 1 - Deadpool 2 - New Mutants - Logan)
Let's explain every franchize inconsistency by saying the film takes place in a slightly different timeline.
GREAT, no inconsistencies EVER AGAIN!
The mcu messed up the timeline once with Spider-Man homecoming saying there was 8 years between avengers and Spider-Man homecoming when it was actually 4 years between the two
Technically the series is ongoing. If the MCU makes the multiverse an official thing, that means every Marvel movie to date, is part of one timeline spread out across multiple realities.
Who's to say that Disney won't continue this. they're going to make their own continuity with different actors and different people and basically the same premise but it will be once again in a completely different universe and timeline. This fox X-Men theory can keep going until the end of the x men
I've always just thought of each movie as being loosely inspired by the previous (comics and) films, not direct sequels set in the same continuity.
The X-Men timeline is like an infinitely complex Rubix cube. To solve it, just throw it against a wall.
So the "Endgame time travel" theory...
How can an equation that says 2+2=9 be solved?
Draw a diagonal line through the '=' and now the equation works.
It's actually 2+2=/= 9
The equation is correct not?
@@a.f9234 😅?
I knew it!!! Thank you for putting it into words. This is how I came to stop caring about continuity and appreciate each individual film for what it is!
When’s the next Flash Season 5 Rant???😂😂😂
Yep. I need it. The last season I ever will watch of The Trash.
3:44 if you Days of Future Past, you know the Charles took a serum for many years that allowed him to walk, and since the clip in question happens in the original timeline, Wolverine had not gone back to the 70s and gotten Charles out of his depression, so the reason Charles is walking is because he was still taking the serum from Dofp
I'm pretty sure this is what's going on in Mortal Kombat, too. All the retcons between games? Kronika did it. That's why Skarlet is completely different in Mk11 than she is in MK9. And why Scorpion and Sub-Zero were white guys in the first games, and then suddenly Asian Men in later iterations. And why no one knows what the heck Reptile is supposed to look like.
I’m not sure if someone has said it yet but it was implied that in the post credit scene of the Wolverine magneto restored logan’s Adamantium claws
“I dont believe new mutants is a real movie”
Omg haha favourite line in this
Bolivar Trask looking "slightly different", that's when I knew the rest will be nonsense... LMAO
Deadpool, deadpool 2, and new mutants are in the revised timeline
It's almost as if Kitty Pryde's true power is the ability to phase through space and time itself. First it manifested as simply walking through walls, but as she grew older it became more powerful until eventually she discovered that she could phase through the very fabric of time and space itself. But since she can only send her or someone else's mind back through time to their younger body; she has to send herself back to any point prior to the last film in the franchise, which changes the timeline just enough to explain why the next film may contradict the last one. So, the true main character of the Fox X-Men is really Kitty Pryde because every film shows us the consequences of her powers as she phases through time and creates a new timeline within the next sequel. Which is something that only Deadpool can truly see. It finally makes perfect sense and is ingenious, she's been the movie universe's version of Moira MacTaggert this entire time!
I think after Sabertooth helped Wolverine defeat “Deadpool”, he went back to working with Stryker for a little while after 1979 until Stryker had no use for him and erased his memories and by the time Sabertooth joined the brotherhood of mutants m, he couldn’t remember Wolverine
OH My GOD!!! My brain is melting. This reminds me of Terminator Genesis. Im going back to Arrowverse. At least that makes more sense.
That’s a great theory, dude. Never thought of it.
For me, it goes X1, X2 with Jean dying at the end, First Class, DOFP which has Wolverine seeing Jean alive at the end, then finishes with Logan. simple, trims the fat and makes far more sense
You know there’s different X-Men cartoons? That’s how I look at these movies.
I never understood why this was such a big deal comic books are always retconing and re booting themselves and changing histories why can't the movies do it as well
Bravo! You did it! It’s the only way this mess could make sense. For example, Logan’s samurai sword shows up in “Logan”, but that couldn’t happen because “The Wolverine” was undone by DoFP. This explanation is the only one that holds water (though I think we give Fox too much credit saying it was intentional).
The funny thing is that you don't even need to pay atention to the details to realize that it isnt' a cohesive storyline, but what the heck if the producers don't care, why should we?
I know precisely how they could have fixed Dark Phoenix:
1. Bring back the Hellfire Club
In doing so, not only is this more faithful to the comics, it gives the movie a sense of finality, ending the rebooted series where it began. Keep Selene and bring in Mastermind. Make him Sebastian Shaw's brother or something, thereby giving him a personal vendetta against the X-Men which is only further fueled by Xavier's growing influence as the world's leading mutant authority. He would then seduce Jean exactly as he does in the comics, acting as the catalyst for Dark Phoenix and resulting in a revenge massacre and the horrific deaths of the Hellfire Club.
2. Bring back Psylocke
In a story featuring powerful telepaths, having Psylocke on the roster could have been great. Moreover, as a loose end, one that the X-Men are aware of and could potentially damage human/mutant relations, it would make sense for them to want to track her down. Feeling defeated and lost after her blind devotion to Apocalypse, Psylocke could have a redemption arc of sorts and could offer an insight on what it means to be corrupted and succumb to darkness.
3. Shown Jean misusing her powers
One thing this movie really tried and failed to do was to show the major differences in Jean before and after her Phoenix possession. This, however is a relatively easy fix. Have Jean read minds to the point that she knows what the X-Men want to say before they say it. Have Jean telepathically track down Psylocke's location without using Cerebro. In the party scene, have the students fail to start the bonfire and Jean igniting it effortlessly. All of these things should surprise the team and even Jean herself. Then when the X-Men track down Psylocke, have Jean do something scary like accidentally kill one of Psylocke's mercenaries when she was trying to stun them. Part of the reason why Mastermind's plan is so effective is because the X-Men start to distance themselves from Jean and while she is used to that from the other students at the school, taking that from her friends make her feel alone.
4. Keep the D'bari storyline
The D'Bari's backstory could be the same with some changes and some elements from the Shi'Ar. The Phoenix could have wiped out their homeworld long before Jean was born, but when she manifested the Phoenix in Apocalypse, it caught their attention and they created the space shuttle problem to lure Jean out. That said, they should be more flushed out, with defined personalities and powers.
5. Alter Jean's backstory
Keep the bit about Jean killing her mom, but have her also telepathically experience the feeling of death, and temporarily preventing her mom from dying. This would catch the eye of the Phoenix Force and it will have decided to merge with Jean right then and there. However, given the psychic blocks Xavier plants in Jean's young mind. the Phoenix remained dormant until Jean herself took them down in Apocalypse, unknowingly giving control back to it. Given everything they already changed about the origin of the Phoenix, this is probably the best way of telling the story in the film series.
6. Give Mystique something to do
It's no secret that Jennifer Lawrence wanted out of the series, but Mystique should have been more than cannon fodder. When Jean emerges as the Black Queen, have the X-Men get captured by the Hellfire Club and have both Mystique and Psylocke infiltrate their base and free the team. This gives them both some good shine moments and character development, as well as the redemption arc for Psylocke. Mystique could then be killed by Selene, and her death could break the hold Mastermind has over Jean.
7. Do the Blue Area of the Moon fight
After Dark Phoenix kills the Hellfire Club, defeats the X-men, and is psychically contained by Xavier and Jean, the D'bari strike and Xavier invokes a trial by combat for the fate of Jean. The X-men are defeated and Cyclops is wounded, setting Jean off once again. Vuk then seizes this opportunity to steal the force for herself and Jean, after having said her goodbyes, flies them both into orbit and there is an explosion, seemingly killing them both.
It's not perfect, but it's about as good as this movie could have been without all of the essential properties and story build up.
Interesting theory but... Erik was enprisoned in a concentration camp as a child/teenager. If different versions were born in ten-year increments then all but one would have missed this pivotal event referenced in multiple films From X-Men (2000) through X-Men: Apocalypse.
The Wolverine isn't a sequel to X - Men 3, it comes years after X3, yes, but isn't it's sequel, it's Wolverine Origins' sequel, and Logan concludes that trilogy, Wolverine's trilogy movies.
I think you had your answer in the beginning... different directors. For some reason, they are given entirely too much creative freedom and run with it. They want to make their movie their own so they do. With no care about people clearly knowing things won’t add up. It comes down to pride. They want to leave their mark on the world... not be left with sloppy seconds.
“Don’t do that.. don’t give me hope..”
It WAS that they hired different actresses for Kitty. You're over-thinking it. There are 2 main timelines: The X-Men timeline and the First Class timeline. The X-Men timeline includes X-Men, X2 and X3. First Class has First Class, Days of Future Past, Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix.
X-Men Origens: Wolverine is a prequel to X-Men. The Wolverine and Logan are in the X-Men timeline due to Logan imagining dead Jean Grey. Deadpool is probably in his own part of the multiverse (one with at least the X-Men and SHIELD.)
Yiu can't force everything to fit. Many of the inconsistencies are due to lazy writing. Kitty being able to send minds into the past is stupid. The writers wanted to do an homage to her being the one who went back in time in the comic story, but 5hey really should have found a way to use Scott and Jean's daughter. The ending of Dark Phoenix didn't tie into anything because it was a poorly-written, poorly-plotted movie.
X-Men - Crisis of Infinite Timelines
I dont think there are any 2 x-men movies that are consistent with one another. What a mess.
Wow Ross! That is some explanation, and thanks very much for it. I've been trying to make sense of the X-Men timeline for ages, and just could not do it at all! Thanks for making this clear - well, as clear as it could be made. The filmmakers need to understand that constant re-boots are not good for longevity or continuity at all, even if the films are visually appealing. I don't suppose the Fantastic Four would fit into Fox's X-Men Universe, would they?...
I hope the Disney acquisition of Fox will mean the X-Men characters (and the Fantastic Four, even) will get meaningful chronological updates. This has been a great strength of the MCU acorss more than decade of films, and TV series.
HOW I WOULD CHANGE THE X MEN TIMELINE AFTER DOFP:
I wanted to have the orig x men fight apocalypse in the 2016 movie version, i want to make them think that everything is all right now but then charles senses something darker is being arised from the deapths of hell (which is apocalypse). Apocalypse gets a thanos like introduction kinda like infinity war ( a bad guy with the same motives which is to cleanse the earth from the weak). So now we skip to the fighting and it would explain somehow fighting apocalypse did something to logan which made his healing slow. (thus made him aged in logan) Aswell as apocalypse brainwashing prof x to kill the other xmen besides logan to really show that brutal and intellectual power of apocalypse but is still somehow defeated by wolverine in the end, but it'll be a close call. And in the end all you see is wolverine and charles tired and inshocked of seeing all the xmen dead because of apocalpyse's doing. Then it would lead up to the logan movie in the near future.
Thank you! I feel better knowing it's not just me being unable to understand the timeline. They aren't all supposed to fit together :)
In Deadpool 3, Wolverine is resurrected
The best part is that in The Wolverine Logan doesn't recognize Mangeto and the Professor
I just watched these how I feel was the correct way to do so
I would start with X-Men First Class, then the 3 first X-Men films X, X2 and Last Stand. Then The Wolverine. Then Days of Future Past and end it with Logan. It felt good enough
I tried my best to make a list of the timelines the X-men have
Note: this is my personal list and it’s fine that others have ways of explaining X-men
Timeline 1: Original 3 X-men plus The Wolverine
Tells a story across 3 movies and a spin-off continuing
Connects to Days of Futures Past
Timeline 2: Origins Wolverine
Ignored by every other timeline except when Deadpool from Deadpool 2 goes back in time and shoots Wade
Timeline 2.5 X-men Origins Wolverine the game
Because sure why not
Timeline 3: First Class and Days of futures past
Aspects of First Class don’t connect to other movies but is connected through the sequel Days of Futures Past
Timeline 4: Post Futures past (Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix)
Officially retcons the previous movies except First Class and Days of Futures Past
Although Dark Phoenix ignored the ending of Apocalypse
Timeline 5: Deadpool 1 and Deadpool 2
Timeline 6: Alternate Deadpool 2
Deadpool goes back in time and kills Origins Wade? Kills Ryan Reynolds before he’s Green Lantern?
Timeline 7: Logan
Acknowledges aspects of all movies but never says what actually happened
Timeline 8: New Mutants
Connections unknown until 2020
Timeline 9: Gifted
Unknown connections until watching the show
Although sentinels are involved and characters for Days of future past show up
So Connections
Timeline 10: Legion
Professor Xavier’s life plays out differently and creates the Legion timeline
Listening to this video gave me the worst headache known to man
You don't read comics..Prof x transfered his conciousness to his twin in a comic
Except your theory falls to pieces when you consider that in every movie we see Magnetos stamp mark from the WW2 concentration camp so he has a fixed point in all movies for his childhood.
A comic that takes place between X Men and X Men 2 shows that Sabertooth went with Magneto to restore memories, so that’s why he does not acknowledge Logan