The reason Psylocke had the most accurate in the entire series is because Olivia Munn fought for it. Anybody younger than like 30 might not know/remember this, but she was famous for being a comic book/video game nerd before she became an actor. She said she'd only be Psylocke if she actually got to look like her.
Olivia Munn actually specifically requested her costume to be comic accurate. It was originally going to be a straight black outfit, but she was adamant about wearing the body-suit. She also said that she was shocked that Bryan Singer had so little knowledge of the character and was very clearly disinterested in her background.
@@meep9231 yeah, I’m pretty sure he banned X-Men comics on the set of his films, it was Kevin Fiege who has to sneak them in for the cast to read back when he was just a producer
@@FullFatVideos She talked about it a few times, but this is the only vid I could find right away. "How Olivia Munn Made the Psylocke Costume Her Own - Up At Noon Live!" on IGN (2016).
I hate that the end of Apocalypse finally gave us suits that reflected the comic books, and then ditched them for basic navy jackets with a yellow X over them for Dark Phoenix.
Also fun fact: The Wolverine yellow suit from the deleted scene isn’t even a suit, it’s all 3D printed pieces made to look like a suit in a case but none of the pieces are actually wearable or made of leather/fabrics.
Really? Holy shit i legit thought it was a suit prop. Kinda wished there was a leaked Picture of Hugh with that suit but now that you tell us its a 3D printed pieces my hopes died lol.
@@danielsolano330 Source is pretty well documented. If you look up "wolverine post credit costume 3D printed" you'll find Adam Ross, lead prop designer and sculptor who now works for Marvel studios who discussed his making of the box which was then 3D printed, and painted to look like genuine materials. "For an alternate post credits stinger clip (featured on the BluRay disc special edition) I both designed and sculpted a helmet, glove, and folded suit combo that was entirely 3D printed and then painted. This prop was publicly shown at a press event at the studio for the BluRay release." (Taken from Adam Ross' ArtStation)
I think adapting the Morrison/Quitely New X-Men suits in Dark Pheonix wasn't a terrible idea, but the actual costumes looked so cheap. The yellow X looks printed with no texture whatsoever. Also glad to see some love for the Ultimate X-Men designs. Between those books, X-Men Evolution and the X-Men Legends game, those suits were ripe for a live-action version.
That’s a big problem with dark Phoenix: it’s cheap. They didn’t want to invest in the x-men, didn’t want to make a whole saga. The Mystique make up was a huge downgrade.
My biggest issue with the Morrison suit is 100% the tease at the end of apocalypse. I would have been super hype to see the huge yellow X if I wasn't even more disappointed I still couldn't get a good look at classic comic suits in live action. I think a great middle ground would have been having the yellow X be a letterman coat for the school or a formal wear option since the xmen are now public heroes
I like how real it looks too cuz when they did the thy holes, they made a fabric her skin tone to put in the suit to make it smooth instead of making the outside stick up. Impressive designing.
I remember hearing that at one point in the script for Logan, the beginning of the film was going to be the OG X-Men cast in the colorful and classic style suits. The scene was them getting ready to go out for a mission and Charles has his first seizure/episode, killing the entire team except for Logan because of his healing factor. Its a shame we did not get to see this or something like it in the film. Logan obviously worked without it, but boy would it have been awesome to see.
@@mickeymouse7726 Fr- trench coats just look cool- Ben Affleck’s apocalypse Batman, Spider-Man Noir, John Constantine, and Nick Fury all also look sick.
still not full circle tho, just a reference in a animated series, it has to be said in a modern X-men movie with (good) comic accurate designs in order to be actual full circle
The problem with the X-Men movie costumes isn't that they are bad, it's that they are just dull and unimaginative. While I understand that in the year 2000, black leather was all the rage, they could have slowly introduced the comic-accurate costumes as time went on. The Raimi Spider-Man suit from the year 2002 was almost identical to the comic books, so I don't buy the idea that audiences wouldn't take the comic-accurate suits seriously. I'm not saying that the suits should have been exact replicas of the comics but they should have at least been somewhat similar with a more mature aesthetic. Just look at Captain America's suit in Avengers Endgame. It's not exactly comic-accurate but it's close enough with some modernized stylistic elements that make it fit the world it belongs to without looking goofy.
I remember the film coming out and the general consensus was 'Yes, of course they all wear black, it would look ridiculous if you tried to put them in comic accurate costumes". Then we swung to "They SHOULD be in comic accurate costumes, these are rubbish." Now we're seemingly on the backlash to the backlash.
The black leather in my opinion tells me they were too embarrassed by the source material which in turn hurt the franchise, it’d be like if they thought spider-man suit was to cheesy
You should know that Stan Lee himself insisted on the black leather suits. You also have to consider the fact that at the time, superhero movies were considered a joke by Hollywood.
@@moritakaishida7963 In what way? Most of the points presented have a strong basis. From black leather being the early 2000's style for action movies to the in universe justification. As much as I would have personally loved to see more colorful comic accurate suits in the OT, it'd be weird seeing this movie with mostly down to Earth characters wearing flashy outfits while trying to keep up anonymity.
Finally someone who also loves Magneto's days of future past look! Definitely his best look (tho I love the all black in Dark Phoenix too) the helmet looks so good.
Never had a strong opinion on the costumes themselves. But I remember around 2000 or so, I read something from the production team which took at as self-evident that audiences couldn't handle the comic costumes. And that was a problem for me. I think I felt a lot of projects were doing dumb things around that time, party because they were treating good ideas as off-limits based on unquestioned imaginings they have of the audience.
I’d be more sympathetic if Spider-Man hadn’t come out in 2002 and fucking nail the costume. No reason why the X-Men brighter costumes wouldn’t work on screen if Spidey could.
to be fair i think for how dark and gritty the first two movie looks the yellow suit would have look so out of place. As he said in the video, in that movie, the x-men work in the "shadow", so they dont even fit the story other than the visuals.
@@sunMMVIII yellow/green is the color which the human eye is more sensible to, but you can do two things... Make the shade of yellow less bright, like ambra or whatever, or making the suit actually classic wolverine yellow but after you desaturate the movie itself, like every MCU movie in the Infinity saga. Thats why in Civil war/Endgame, during the scenes where multiple heroes are on screen it looks monochromatic, for those movies they wanted a more grounded feel and cinematic look, i think the only one that doesn't do that is Joss Whedon's Avengers 1, in some degree.
You missed that behind the scenes video of the original X-Men cast struggling to clear a concrete barrier while wearing the black leather. Days of Future Past may be my overall favorite for the franchise in terms of suits, with the ending of Apocalypse coming very close second.
I wish comic book movies adapted what was on the page on screen. Manga fans get their animes almost damn near one to one with their manga panels, but us comic fans are lucky if anyone in the movie strikes a pose vaguely reminiscent of a comic panel, or say a catchphrase associated with the character.
I’m actually one of the few that loves X-Men: Apocalypse, but I 100% agree that they could’ve easily given the team more colorful flight suits (Quicksilver would’ve just given them a split-second spray-paint job or something?). What I don’t think X-Men: Apocalypse gets as much credit for as it should is the WARDROBE, I love how everyone’s clothing choices represent their classic colors. Scott wears a blue and yellow letterman, Jean wears a pastel green blazer, Kurt wears a MJ “Thriller” jacket (genius choice), etc.
I just find Apocalypse so painful because you have characters like Jubilee there and it’s during the time period where the X-Men were at their peak *and you still fuck it up* I also hate how it turns Storm into a Mystique shill, you’ve done fucking nothing with the most beloved black superhero next Black Panther for four movies now and the most you give her is being a Jennifer Laurence sycophant and then a minion of the villain.
@@LukeLovesRose No my reasons are valid as are others. It banked off the star power of Jennifer Laurence even though she had little interest playing the role. That’s no subjective problem that’s fact.
I honestly never had a problem with the black leather of the first trilogy. They 100% work for the tone. But STAYING with the black leather even after soft reboots and over a decade of time was a terrible move
@@StewartFletcher and when they did adapt it was either begrudgingly, lazy or an over correction. People are begging for that Deadpool movie they cancelled? They ain’t doing that shit until Ryan literally steals the test footage they rejected and leaks it online for the whole world to see, people want the comic accurate suits? We’ll make them but only put them in the end cause we’re just not comfortable with it TWICE!!!!, expanded universes are a thing now? Ok let’s make a Gambit movie, a New Mutants movie, a Deadpool movie a new Fantastic Four movie…oh wait only one of those worked? Well shit!
Yellow spandex is okay for comics, video-games and Comic Con (if you're one of those nerdy cosplay lunatics). In film, it would look beyond ridiculous.
The thing about the yellow spandex is that it would have had to look amazing to look good, Anything below perfect would look too silly, The leather was a bit more safe and difficult to mess up
The Wolverine had Viper and Silver Samurai's suits. Yes, Viper (aka Lady Hydra) was in the movie with the green outfits. Yes I know the Silver Samurai suit is CGI, but I think it looked cool.
Silver samurai is guy in samurai armor. How may it have helped if using silver iron samurai armor in movie than big tank walking iron man iron monger suit? Edit.
When the first X-Men came out, nobody's upset about the suit because we're glad that we finally see a live action x-men movie. Then Spider-Man came out and it proves those colorful and muscle defining suit can look good in the live action setting.
You say the black leather was necessary for the time it came out, but Spider-Man came out only 2 years later with a full comic book accurate costume and it was glorious for the time. I think had they gone with a more colourful comic accurate style it would have been fine. Growing up in the 90's with that old cartoon when I first heard X-Men was going to be a movie I fully expected to see my favorite characters in costume. Nobody was expecting it to mimic the matrix.
True the matrix was popular at the time which is one of the reasons why the X-Men suits in the first film was the way they were because they were following the trend of what was popular at that time Black leather was all the rage back in the day that’s why the suits were the way they were but I do understand peoples criticism of the suits from the original films A lot of people expected them to have more comic accurate suits in the films but they didn’t I believe at the Wolverine if I’m correct they were teasing that wolverine was gonna wear his iconic yellow suit but it unfortunately didn’t happen soon enough but I believe we’re finally going to see it in the new Deadpool film.
I saw an interview. The Wolverine deleted scene outfit is one solid 3D print. even the gloves are a 3D print of folded gloves... so that outfit was definitely not fitted or designed beyond the suitcase.
I don't mind the more uniform look, I believe it makes sense at the beginning but as they series goes on more personalized/individual suits make more sense.
The reason Deadpool's outfit is best is because it's so freaking comic accurate while still not being cheesy. Movie studios.. come on?! No reason for amazing characters like Storm Cyk and others to have that same costume treatment.
I don’t dislike the leather, I just wish the individualization was more apparent. Wolverine’s costume in DoFP was a huge step in the right direction in terms of color.
The leather suits were interesting. I didn't hate them, but I hope to see the X-Men wearing their costumes in the MCU. Now I really need to rewatch the X-men films again. Deadpool's suit is still the best!
In the comic books, X-men have some of the most diverse and vibrant costumes out there. And thats for a reason, X-Men is all about diversity. The color palette represents all different people coming together and forming a community in their struggle for acceptance. Having them all in black wearing basically the same outfit goes against the very message of the book itself.
Oh it’s even worse than that, Storm one of if the most important comic book characters in terms of representation is turned into the token black sidekick. These movies really make me hate them a lot of the time.
@@li-limandragon9287 No kidding. in X-men Apocalypse they even made her Egyptian. At least the MCU will likely showcase her African heritage in the manner it deserves.
@@StephenLeGresley In the '90s series, most of the characters wear blue and yellow suits. And in other comics besides the ones you mentioned, the Xmen also wore identical costumes. So I don't understand the problem.
I get the whole bit explaining that these X-Men work in the Shadows, so suits like Raimi's Spider-Man wouldn't really fit with the tone of those movies. But my main gripe is that I feel like we've had suits for the X-Men in the past that I think pulled off the compromise of individuality, but still being more or less uniform. My personal favorite of that genre of suits being the ones in X-Men Evolution. I could see those suits all being worked from the same base, but allowed each Mutant to have input on the suit's design, either to accommodate their powers, or for their own flare.
I say after Sam Raimi Spiderman they had the opportunity to introduce them in slowly and they didnt,and after the MCU explosion in accurate costumes The Fox Xmen Costumes continued to feel like they weren't willing to accurately show both the heroes and the Suits they wear. I stand by the idea that the 90s Jim Lee Era Xmen costumes are among the 4 most Iconic Superhero Teams behind Justice League and the Avengers and sitting above the Teen Titans.
Exactly you just stop running out of excuses when everyone else is committing the source and making millions. To me though the costumes weren’t the problem it was how they treated the characters not named Logan or Mystique. Gambit, Rogue, Storm and Jubilee are my absolute favourite X-Men and they wasted and ruined by these movies.
@@li-limandragon9287 no it was the hit and miss nature of those films compared to the overall success of the MCU. It was a process. The OP was saying that the X-Men team of the 90s was the third most popular team, but in the 90s there was no question the X-Men were more popular than the Avengers.
@@therandominfochannel6619 Oh certainly the X-Men were more popular before the MCU but nowadays casual people won’t look at Storm and Rogue and think they’re awesome, just think “Oh it’s Halle Berry and the girl from Trueblood”
More costume videos please. Love that you spoke of the relevance to the era (which sadly it held onto for too long, by 2003 the whole dark leather thing was out) given the popularity of Blade, The Matrix (and The Crow!)
Leather costumes were great. What fits the comic book aesthetics, seldom transfers well to silver screen. Dress them like in comics and they'd look like clowns. Cyclops' line "you'd rather wear a yellow spandex?" says it all.
DoFP’s Magneto imo is one of his worst looks. As a professional costume designer, when we use armor it’s to define silhouette. Here the armour looks incredibly flat, and not at all incorporated into his suit, it’s just plates plates on his torso and nothing else. If he had gauntlets or even some kind of armoured callback at his boots it would help tremendously. Here it looks tacked on and ill fitting. Apocalypse and his look at the end of First Class are imo peak Magneto. The apocalypse suit is quite loaded but it works as a Horseman armor.
I think the black leather was over hated because it was a bit to risky to try and adapt it back then where sam raimi went full on out with it. But now that Hugh is coming back we can finally see how they will adapt it because if anyone's suit is tricky to adapt and still have him look badass one of them is Wolverine, but beside that I was fine with the black leather suits
wolverine not wering the yellow spandex in the deadpool universe will be the worst miss oportunity since deadpool not talking to stan lee in the first one, sure they correct it in the fake trailer, but still that was the one interaction i was looking the most in the first one
Wolverine doesn’t need a mask. Why would an mutant with a healing factor and indestructible skeleton need a mask? He doesn’t need a mask as a helmet. Literally every other X-Man does not wear a mask. It’s not like he needs a mask to hide his identity.
It all worked out decent/great. It was worth the black leather to get to where we are. Although x1 is still one of my fav for its grounded atmosphere & I loath the new mcu lack of depth/tension & not grounded feeling enough for me anymore. But I'm excited actually for flash & deadpool3
The X-Men are the one thing I look forward to seeing in the MCU alone. My concern is will Marvel pull it off? Will it suffer from the same tropes they need to break away from? The MCU has so much going on with the multiverse and all these new characters being introduced that I don’t know where the hell mutants fit in. I guess Phases 7 or 8 is when we could see them and those could be the Mutant Saga. I’m cautiously optimistic they’ll pull it off but I’m not sure.
Great video. Apocalypse is such a tease with those Danger Room costumes and Psylocke's outfit. Honestly, more so given her friendship with Ryan Reynolds, Olivia Munn would've fit more in the Deadpool corner of the X-Men films than in Apocalypse.
For the first one i think it make sense to wear all black because most of the mission are covert operations, but they should've gradually turned into more expressive suit for branding for the public that they're peacekeepers and heroes. I like the logic in Astonishing X-men. They went from black outfits and back as superhero costume to show the public that they're superheroes, not some random dangerous mutants. X-Men : Dark Phoenix however showed us that the blue and yellow costume the blandest way possible and then they're back in their civil clothes in the end.
"Is this gonna be about wearing tights?" "Sorry, Logan, heroes wear costumes and frankly, all the black leather is making people nervous." (Scott Summers, Astonishing X-Men)
Great video dude. I don't know if there's anyone out there who's as passionate as you about the costumes in the X-Men movies or comic-book movies in general
What I like the most about the X-Men movies is the fact that they never tried to follow the MCU's formula or their tropes, especially after it became a trend They never relied on nostalgia, the tone always kept consistent, and they always focused on the present
if you mean the early movies...you do realize they came out long before the MCU, right? if you mean the later movies...most of them still kind of sucked, so take that what you will.
@LeonardoKlotz Still there’s difference between having your own identity and butchering the source material you don’t jive with. I mean look at Rogue, it’s smart to have start off weak like the comics, but she should be busting out Wonder Woman shit by X3 or Days of Future Past. Not paying that off is just pissing on the character. The MCU has issues, but not caring for the characters has never been one of them.
I really don't like the costume choice in the first X-Men. You mention that the idea of friendly heroes in bright costumes rescuing cats from trees is not a thing, but remember Charles is meant to be striving for acceptance, and yet he chooses to dress his personal army of extremely powerful meta-humans in something that wouldn't look out of place on any fascistic secret police force. Especially given his history with Eric, and Eric's own history with fascists, it just seems like an incredibly poor choice. Optics are always important, and what kind of first impression was he going for here? There's a reason why Blade and Batman wear black, and it's not to instil a feeling of humanity or kindness. The costumes are not _bad_, in that they are very well designed and likely met the brief that was given, I just don't think that "darkly menacing" is the look that Charles would have been going for.
Yeah, they weren't bad, the design was solid and quality of them was good (they weren't your average crappy Halloween costumes), but the problem was the X-Men didn't look like X-Men.
I was in high school when the first X-Men movie came out, and can confirm that, at the time, the leather suits got millions to see the movie who otherwise would have passed. In 2000, colorful superhero outfits were considered nerdy (in the 90s sense of the word) or childish. No HS+ age person was interested at the time. Without the choices of X-Men, superhero movies would not have gone as they did.
This might sound a bit random but how is Origins Deadpool supposed to eat and drink. Was the idea they have to put him on a drip in between missions? Perhaps he throws food in the air and cuts it fruit ninja style then teleports so it’s directly in his stomach
They were purely thinking rule of badass with that one to the point where it blinded them, when Ryan Reynolds found out what Deadpool looked like in that movie he apparently tried telling the people behind it that the design was a bad idea and all the fans were going to freak out, the people making that version of Deadpool were so blind they apparently said “I know right!” In an excited tone like the fans we’re gonna be super excited to see their badass new interpretation of Deadpool
IMO the best aiming towards comic-accurate Marvel costumes put to screen are: Iron Man: Mark III (Iron Man) Mark VII (Avengers) Mark XLVI (Civil War) Mark LXXXV (Endgame) Captain America: Stealth suit (Winter Soldier) Scale mail suit (Endgame) Deadpool Spider-Man: Raimi TASM2 NWH (Final Swing) Psylocke
The original trilogy's matrix knock offs are some of the worst costumes. Not just cause they are bland and have everyone look the same, but because of the insulting "we're above the dumb comic stuff" attitude about the outfits. Don't think I've been more annoyed at a line of dialogue than Cyclops' "what would you prefer, yellow spandex?"
I dont mind the X-Men costumes at all, especially the tactical war-time costumes in Days of Future Past. But it was wonderful to see the more classic costumes at the end of Apocalypse
I never liked the black leather, but you made some interesting points. I love First Class and the suits as well. I don't have strong opinions about most of the rest of them. I liked Quantumania a lot; hope you enjoy it.
This was a sick video! Loved the look back and walk down memory lane. I too wish we’d seen the end credits suits in later instalments. Fingers crossed the MCU designs rock!
I completely agree with your critique of Apocalypse. Make him taller and lighten his skin just a touch so you can see some contrast between it and the suit and it's great.
I feel like a adaption of X-men evolution’s costumes could work rather well they’re unified enough to show they’re a team but with a individually to where they’re not all the same.
Thank you, for bringing up (albeit briefly) the Grant Morrison / Frank Quietly run on the New X-Men comics, which were being written and developed at the same time as the 2000 movie, and were released around the same period. One of the key reasons they chose the black leather suits for the movie, was because at that time that was the direction they were going in the comics! The movie costumer was trying to be as comics accurate as possible for the current comics era and time period.
Wish you talked about the First Class post credit scene Magneto costume as well. The metallic purple and red was comic accurate…but a bit “cheap” looking. Would have loved a hybrid of that and Days of Future past.
Still costumes are one thing, character assassination is another. Rogue, Storm and Cyclops have been almost ruined in the mainstream by these films. An adaptation should glorify and celebrate the source material not treat it like a means to an end.
Paramedic outfits are utilitarian, but they're not black leather. The X-Men are meant to be a force for good, so they shouldn't turn up looking like they're going to beat you up and steal your wallet. Adding some colour doesn't detract from utilitarianism and the costumes should fit their goals, which as far as I remember, didn't include intimidating everyone who sees them (if that was Charles' desire, he wouldn't need to use scary costumes, he could just brainwash all of humanity).
@@li-limandragon9287 i think Rogue's adaptation in a more fragile character is great and fits the main traits of the character, and fits more in a movie in general, her having super strenght and flight because she permanently absorbing someone else powers is kinda stupid, so she can absorb permanently every single power she wants? how does that even work?
@@Spillow-CI will look back a bit but it felt wierd having Rogue in a younger role in the films when the young teen in the animated television series was Jubilee.
The x men are a team, and this is like a team uniform, i get what they were going for, but they could have done a compramise with black being the base unifiying color, with eact x men having personalized additions to their suits like in x men evolution,
I now term any comic book movie that teases comic accurate costumes at the end of the movie then goes back on them for the follow up as being “X-Men Apocalypsed”. I really hope they don’t do that with Spidey’s costume from the end or no way home
When they come to the mcu properly there'll be a joke where they open a case full of black leather suites and one of them says he'll no we ain't wearing this
Yes the suits were as bad as people think. If they're supposed to be going out Define other mutants then they shouldn't look like they're a biker gang. That's the problem with the X-Men movies I can't genuinely take them seriously when they're in their uniforms, if they were in their civilian clothing most of the time I wouldn't have as big as a problem and I would take them more seriously in their mission statement then if they were in their costumes.
You’re right, I got into a argument with someone who defended how Rogue was in these movies and how it fit the tone of the films better than the comics version Except the point of a character with the nickname “Rogue” is that she should have a spine and be troublemaker. That name makes no sense with the character here, should be called “Mope” or “Sad I can’t kiss girl”
@@li-limandragon9287 exactly, if they want to be characters who appear to be friendly they should dress in friendlier colors. Throw in the fact that Rogue is supposed to be spunky in spite of the fact that she can't others it feels so weird for her to be a sad, mopey girl, throw in the fact that they didn't give her a southern belle accent also feels like an insult.
Simon Kinberg might not be a good writer But you can bet he is a great producer It was because of him that we got FIRST CLASS, DEADPOOL and LOGAN And THE MARTIAN too
It's a shame you skipped on 'The Wolverine'. Viper had her comic accurate green suit in the third act, and it looked great. The ninjas looked good as well, and the Silver Samurai suit was awesome! i do have a complaint about 'Logan' though. In that film we see the Reeves, a group of cybernetically enhanced mercenaries. They have a pretty crazy look in the comics, in the good way. However, in the movie they looked rather blend. But then i saw the concept designs for them, and my jaw hit the floor! Those early concepts looked amazing! Somehow they did the impossible and managed to translate the crazy design of the comics to real life in a way that makes sense! Those are probably among my favorite designs in the X-men franchises and i can't believe they ended up not using them.. what a waste!
Man, I hope we get the DOFP costume in the Wolverine game when that comes out. I love this series, it's so messy but and so fun and they just nailed the casting so many times.
in my personal opinion as a long time X-men fan. comic accuracy doesn’t make or break a story. but when you’re dealing with a team so colorful and diverse and that being a huge part of what made them unique? yes. it’s almost egregious how many times they looked bland and colorless. the minor accents did absolutely nothing for me. studios messed up by thinking the team needed to look almost identical with suit designs. the x-men are wacky mutants in a wacky and oppressive world.. in the comic stories its like them showing up and saying “here we are and we aren’t afraid of you, we will be the object of attention where you like it or not” Alex Ross’ designs for the first x-men film(while never shown in practice) were much more faithful and still practical. luckily the mcu will finally give me what i’ve wanted since i was a kid. i can appreciate the older suits ever so slightly because they did let Kevin know that the fans wanted accuracy, but i’ll never forgive them for the mistakes and missteps they took. Deadpool is the shining exception and as someone who doesn’t really like deadpool it still made me happy that they stuck to their guns and delivered. anyways this was a great video! it’s interesting to look back 2 decades to see where we’ve ended up.
I would actually prefer for them to keep the black leather when they come back since that's what I think of for these versions of the characters, also I think we should get proper comic accurate suits with the new MCU actors to properly distinguish both universes
I'm always confused when people praise First Class. disappointing film and the costumes were nothing special. And Magneto's purple and pink look at the end makes me wanna puke. I remember people giggling in the theater at his ugly costume.
I never minded most of the costumes, especially as a kid. I can see how the leather arguably works for the first movie given it’s popularity in other movies. By 03 or 06 they definitely should have added more color and comic accuracy. MCU costumes get some criticism for being too detailed, but at least they don’t shy away from color and masks.
If Marvel doesn’t let Hugh wear that yellow suit in Deadpool 3 I’m gonna be so ticked off especially when he’s gonna be alongside Deadpool in the perfect live action suit for him
One of the biggest disappointments for me was the Phoenix in The Last Stand. Apparently there was some red in her costume but so muted that I never noticed, and her look in both light and dark version is meant to be flashy. Of course, that was on a par with how poorly the character was treated in that movie in general - hey, let's not only cram the entire saga into one movie, let's only give it half a movie and cram another storyline in there with it - yeah, that'll work! 🙄
They fucking did it twice dude. It’s also a bigger problem with Jean is a that people only know her through the Dark Phoenix stuff and so unlike the cartoons just threw her head first into that shit without any prior development.
@@li-limandragon9287 Arguably TLS is still worse because her story didn't even get one whole movie to itself, let alone the trilogy that it would really need.
When i saw the suits for Apocalypse Danger Room i was so pumped, think they got leaked before the trailer too, then i see the black and think "Bryan Singer regressed hard". For a note i like X2/X3, the flight suits in FC are perfect uniformed X Men classic.
Honestly, my only negative with the OG Fox trilogy uniforms was the lack of colour. I understand what's said about taking them seriously, but they DO look like a mutant paramilitary unit. Throw in some colour/greater personalisation (ala First Class), and I'd be totally okay with similar suits in the MCU. But as they are? They're Wolverine's X-Force Black Ops squad. Aside from that, I'm pretty much with you on this video. And I would have loved that alt Wolverine costume in Days of Future Past from the concept art.
@@li-limandragon9287 And that's just one more piece of proof that franchises need someone who understands and respects the source material to be in charge.
On another topic. One thing i wish Marvel did in the early 2000s is connect some, or all, of the MCU. We had Spider-Man, Fantastic 4, and X-men. Would of been cool to see a movie featuring some of them team up.
The cool thing about the X-Men in the comics is that they all have their own unique suits. They express themselves with what they wear, so removing that element of their characters and giving them generic black leather costumes was just a massive mis-step. The subtle colored piping here and there feels like the bare minimum. Also the Wolverine suit is especially unflattering on Jackman since he was already getting ripped by X2. The suit did him no favors. It has fucking bell bottoms almost
The reason Psylocke had the most accurate in the entire series is because Olivia Munn fought for it. Anybody younger than like 30 might not know/remember this, but she was famous for being a comic book/video game nerd before she became an actor. She said she'd only be Psylocke if she actually got to look like her.
I remember watching her on Attack of The Show and I’m in my late 20s 🤣
@@simpleplanfan011 i said LIKE 30, you're close enough lol.
I remember back in 2007 seeing her dressed as slave Leia at a Star Wars thing on G4 lol
I also remember an article where she said she was genuinely shocked at how Bryan Singer didn’t have much knowledge about the X-Men comics.
@@arachnidcomics6404 yea he was probably just asking little boys to give him the spark notes on the most popular issues.
Olivia Munn actually specifically requested her costume to be comic accurate. It was originally going to be a straight black outfit, but she was adamant about wearing the body-suit. She also said that she was shocked that Bryan Singer had so little knowledge of the character and was very clearly disinterested in her background.
Do you have a source this is interesting
tbh considering Bryan Singer’s adamance on not giving fans what they want this wouldn’t be super surprising
@@meep9231 yeah, I’m pretty sure he banned X-Men comics on the set of his films, it was Kevin Fiege who has to sneak them in for the cast to read back when he was just a producer
@@eddiediaz5518 and people wonder why Singer’s not popular amongst the fans
@@FullFatVideos She talked about it a few times, but this is the only vid I could find right away. "How Olivia Munn Made the Psylocke Costume Her Own - Up At Noon Live!" on IGN (2016).
I hate that the end of Apocalypse finally gave us suits that reflected the comic books, and then ditched them for basic navy jackets with a yellow X over them for Dark Phoenix.
same
Technically comic accurate suits but I feel ya. Teasing more classic suits just to ditch them right away was just wrong. Lol
And the dark phoenix ones were comic accurate
Common thing with Superhero live action now. Ms Marvel’s outfit was perfect in her show and they ditched it in the movie.
@@spencersholden but her new suit wasn’t awful
Also fun fact: The Wolverine yellow suit from the deleted scene isn’t even a suit, it’s all 3D printed pieces made to look like a suit in a case but none of the pieces are actually wearable or made of leather/fabrics.
Really? Holy shit i legit thought it was a suit prop. Kinda wished there was a leaked Picture of Hugh with that suit but now that you tell us its a 3D printed pieces my hopes died lol.
@@Mr.PR2000 Nah there's no suit design. Just gloves and a helmet they really just put that in and "we'll figure the rest out later" sorta deal.
Source?
@@danielsolano330 Source is pretty well documented. If you look up "wolverine post credit costume 3D printed" you'll find Adam Ross, lead prop designer and sculptor who now works for Marvel studios who discussed his making of the box which was then 3D printed, and painted to look like genuine materials.
"For an alternate post credits stinger clip (featured on the BluRay disc special edition) I both designed and sculpted a helmet, glove, and folded suit combo that was entirely 3D printed and then painted. This prop was publicly shown at a press event at the studio for the BluRay release." (Taken from Adam Ross' ArtStation)
@@danielsolano330 "Trust me BRU
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I think adapting the Morrison/Quitely New X-Men suits in Dark Pheonix wasn't a terrible idea, but the actual costumes looked so cheap. The yellow X looks printed with no texture whatsoever.
Also glad to see some love for the Ultimate X-Men designs. Between those books, X-Men Evolution and the X-Men Legends game, those suits were ripe for a live-action version.
Holy crap it’s Owen loves comics from Owen loves comics
That’s a big problem with dark Phoenix: it’s cheap. They didn’t want to invest in the x-men, didn’t want to make a whole saga. The Mystique make up was a huge downgrade.
Personally, I think a lot of these issues could have been solved by just adding a little bit more color or at least just more yellow
I think those suits look & feel good because of Morrison & Quitely, and once you take them out of it, you've got nothing of any interest.
My biggest issue with the Morrison suit is 100% the tease at the end of apocalypse. I would have been super hype to see the huge yellow X if I wasn't even more disappointed I still couldn't get a good look at classic comic suits in live action. I think a great middle ground would have been having the yellow X be a letterman coat for the school or a formal wear option since the xmen are now public heroes
Olivia Munn's Costume in X-Men: Apocalypse is very aesthatically satisfying imo.
It’s spot on
She had to request an accurate costume. They planned on doing something else.
@@DarkKnightBatman420 outrageous.
Its more than just aesthetically satisfying… its hot. and badass
I like how real it looks too cuz when they did the thy holes, they made a fabric her skin tone to put in the suit to make it smooth instead of making the outside stick up. Impressive designing.
I remember hearing that at one point in the script for Logan, the beginning of the film was going to be the OG X-Men cast in the colorful and classic style suits. The scene was them getting ready to go out for a mission and Charles has his first seizure/episode, killing the entire team except for Logan because of his healing factor. Its a shame we did not get to see this or something like it in the film. Logan obviously worked without it, but boy would it have been awesome to see.
That's really kinda just a kick in the nuts to give the fans what they want only for everyone to be immediately murdered by psychic backlash
Also would make that movie even more of a gut punch if it opened with all the actors we’ve gotten to know since the 90’s all dying horrible deaths
@@richborn6700 yeah, I still would have like to have seen it
@@mrcritical6751xmen came out in 2001
Technically we got that not once but twice with DOFP. No love lost for the old Fox cast and it was so lame 😭@@mrcritical6751
I know it's not an X-Men uniform, but the X2 Nightcrawler outfit was superb.
Everyone looks great in a trench coat like neo from the matrix , blade, hellboy and nightcrawler in X2 X-Men united
@@mickeymouse7726 Fr- trench coats just look cool- Ben Affleck’s apocalypse Batman, Spider-Man Noir, John Constantine, and Nick Fury all also look sick.
Gambit too@@solvemproblerstudios5889
Love that we come full circle with that clapback in 97
_What did you expect Black Leather?_
That episode only came out 1 day ago, how did you comment about 10 days before the episode came out?
@@s2knightryder final trailer for x-men 97
still not full circle tho, just a reference in a animated series, it has to be said in a modern X-men movie with (good) comic accurate designs in order to be actual full circle
Oh cool 😂
@@s2knightryderyour comment is from 10 days ago 😮
The problem with the X-Men movie costumes isn't that they are bad, it's that they are just dull and unimaginative. While I understand that in the year 2000, black leather was all the rage, they could have slowly introduced the comic-accurate costumes as time went on. The Raimi Spider-Man suit from the year 2002 was almost identical to the comic books, so I don't buy the idea that audiences wouldn't take the comic-accurate suits seriously. I'm not saying that the suits should have been exact replicas of the comics but they should have at least been somewhat similar with a more mature aesthetic. Just look at Captain America's suit in Avengers Endgame. It's not exactly comic-accurate but it's close enough with some modernized stylistic elements that make it fit the world it belongs to without looking goofy.
That cap costume in EG was the best
@@arturocastroverde3349 I love Avengers 2012 looks, best balance of colour and grittiness.
@@li-limandragon9287 i prefer the EG costume but to each of their own i supose
@@arturocastroverde3349 The EG ones are fine they’re just not very colourful.
@@arturocastroverde3349 I like Caps look in AOU
I remember the film coming out and the general consensus was 'Yes, of course they all wear black, it would look ridiculous if you tried to put them in comic accurate costumes". Then we swung to "They SHOULD be in comic accurate costumes, these are rubbish." Now we're seemingly on the backlash to the backlash.
See, I remember it completely different. I remember everyone being confused and annoyed by the costumes being black.
@@chadd990Yeah to ppl who remember the cartoon or read the comics. Not general audience
Agreed I liked the movie costumes for the movies and the comic costumes on the animated series.
@@craigcharlesworth1538 well I didn’t mind neutral costumes but all leather really didn’t work either and wolverines especially was tacky looking.
No, I still think the leather looks dumb
The black leather in my opinion tells me they were too embarrassed by the source material which in turn hurt the franchise, it’d be like if they thought spider-man suit was to cheesy
I will say, I'm grateful for them because due to them it's guaranteed any future adaptation will use the comic book colors
You should know that Stan Lee himself insisted on the black leather suits. You also have to consider the fact that at the time, superhero movies were considered a joke by Hollywood.
This video is just a result of dumb rose tinted 2000's nostalgia
the franchise was hurt by incompetence, not by the suit designs lol.
X-men 3, Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix just sucked cause the writing.
@@moritakaishida7963 In what way? Most of the points presented have a strong basis. From black leather being the early 2000's style for action movies to the in universe justification. As much as I would have personally loved to see more colorful comic accurate suits in the OT, it'd be weird seeing this movie with mostly down to Earth characters wearing flashy outfits while trying to keep up anonymity.
Finally someone who also loves Magneto's days of future past look! Definitely his best look (tho I love the all black in Dark Phoenix too) the helmet looks so good.
"It Took 20 Fucking Years" Deadpool, Deadpool & Wolverine
Never had a strong opinion on the costumes themselves. But I remember around 2000 or so, I read something from the production team which took at as self-evident that audiences couldn't handle the comic costumes. And that was a problem for me. I think I felt a lot of projects were doing dumb things around that time, party because they were treating good ideas as off-limits based on unquestioned imaginings they have of the audience.
I’d be more sympathetic if Spider-Man hadn’t come out in 2002 and fucking nail the costume. No reason why the X-Men brighter costumes wouldn’t work on screen if Spidey could.
to be fair i think for how dark and gritty the first two movie looks the yellow suit would have look so out of place.
As he said in the video, in that movie, the x-men work in the "shadow", so they dont even fit the story other than the visuals.
@@Spillow-Cthis. They both had darker themes all round. Having them run around in leotards wouldn’t have made any sense
@@Spillow-C I think it might be surprising how much colorful outfits might not stand out.
@@sunMMVIII yellow/green is the color which the human eye is more sensible to, but you can do two things...
Make the shade of yellow less bright, like ambra or whatever, or making the suit actually classic wolverine yellow but after you desaturate the movie itself, like every MCU movie in the Infinity saga.
Thats why in Civil war/Endgame, during the scenes where multiple heroes are on screen it looks monochromatic, for those movies they wanted a more grounded feel and cinematic look, i think the only one that doesn't do that is Joss Whedon's Avengers 1, in some degree.
You missed that behind the scenes video of the original X-Men cast struggling to clear a concrete barrier while wearing the black leather.
Days of Future Past may be my overall favorite for the franchise in terms of suits, with the ending of Apocalypse coming very close second.
Personally ya, i really wish comic book movies were not afraid to use bright colors.
I wish comic book movies adapted what was on the page on screen. Manga fans get their animes almost damn near one to one with their manga panels, but us comic fans are lucky if anyone in the movie strikes a pose vaguely reminiscent of a comic panel, or say a catchphrase associated with the character.
And now in Deadpool 3 Wolverine has the BEST COSTUME HE WILL EVER BE SEEN IN. IT'S PERFECTION.
I’m actually one of the few that loves X-Men: Apocalypse, but I 100% agree that they could’ve easily given the team more colorful flight suits (Quicksilver would’ve just given them a split-second spray-paint job or something?). What I don’t think X-Men: Apocalypse gets as much credit for as it should is the WARDROBE, I love how everyone’s clothing choices represent their classic colors. Scott wears a blue and yellow letterman, Jean wears a pastel green blazer, Kurt wears a MJ “Thriller” jacket (genius choice), etc.
I just find Apocalypse so painful because you have characters like Jubilee there and it’s during the time period where the X-Men were at their peak *and you still fuck it up*
I also hate how it turns Storm into a Mystique shill, you’ve done fucking nothing with the most beloved black superhero next Black Panther for four movies now and the most you give her is being a Jennifer Laurence sycophant and then a minion of the villain.
I love X-Men: Apocalypse. I feel like its totally underrated and misunderstood in the wake of Days of Future Past
@@LukeLovesRose It does at least give Cyclops more to do and have an awesome Quicksilver scene everything else is terrible tho.
@@li-limandragon9287 Whatever. You have some silly subjective reasons to hate Apocalypse... just like everyone else
@@LukeLovesRose No my reasons are valid as are others. It banked off the star power of Jennifer Laurence even though she had little interest playing the role. That’s no subjective problem that’s fact.
I honestly never had a problem with the black leather of the first trilogy. They 100% work for the tone.
But STAYING with the black leather even after soft reboots and over a decade of time was a terrible move
Especially after it became clear people hated the black leather
@mrcritical6751 the inability to adapt to the changing market is exactly what sunk Fox X-Men to begin with
@@StewartFletcher and when they did adapt it was either begrudgingly, lazy or an over correction. People are begging for that Deadpool movie they cancelled? They ain’t doing that shit until Ryan literally steals the test footage they rejected and leaks it online for the whole world to see, people want the comic accurate suits? We’ll make them but only put them in the end cause we’re just not comfortable with it TWICE!!!!, expanded universes are a thing now? Ok let’s make a Gambit movie, a New Mutants movie, a Deadpool movie a new Fantastic Four movie…oh wait only one of those worked? Well shit!
"Would you have preferred yellow spandex?"
Everyone in the theater: "Yes"
Yellow spandex is okay for comics, video-games and Comic Con (if you're one of those nerdy cosplay lunatics). In film, it would look beyond ridiculous.
@@Ticr00 I agree with this statement.
The thing about the yellow spandex is that it would have had to look amazing to look good,
Anything below perfect would look too silly,
The leather was a bit more safe and difficult to mess up
Have you seen wolverines new costume?@@aboodash9008
@@Ticr00Looks great in deadpool 3, hell even wolvy's goofy mask looks great in live action
The Wolverine had Viper and Silver Samurai's suits. Yes, Viper (aka Lady Hydra) was in the movie with the green outfits. Yes I know the Silver Samurai suit is CGI, but I think it looked cool.
Silver samurai is guy in samurai armor. How may it have helped if using silver iron samurai armor in movie than big tank walking iron man iron monger suit? Edit.
When the first X-Men came out, nobody's upset about the suit because we're glad that we finally see a live action x-men movie. Then Spider-Man came out and it proves those colorful and muscle defining suit can look good in the live action setting.
You really just completely skipped over Negasonic's outfit in Deadpool 2. The best X-Men outfit ever put to screen.
You say the black leather was necessary for the time it came out, but Spider-Man came out only 2 years later with a full comic book accurate costume and it was glorious for the time. I think had they gone with a more colourful comic accurate style it would have been fine. Growing up in the 90's with that old cartoon when I first heard X-Men was going to be a movie I fully expected to see my favorite characters in costume. Nobody was expecting it to mimic the matrix.
True the matrix was popular at the time which is one of the reasons why the X-Men suits in the first film was the way they were because they were following the trend of what was popular at that time Black leather was all the rage back in the day that’s why the suits were the way they were but I do understand peoples criticism of the suits from the original films A lot of people expected them to have more comic accurate suits in the films but they didn’t I believe at the Wolverine if I’m correct they were teasing that wolverine was gonna wear his iconic yellow suit but it unfortunately didn’t happen soon enough but I believe
we’re finally going to see it in the new Deadpool film.
I saw an interview. The Wolverine deleted scene outfit is one solid 3D print. even the gloves are a 3D print of folded gloves... so that outfit was definitely not fitted or designed beyond the suitcase.
James Marigold while I’m grateful to the guy, really had a hate boner for Wolvie’s costume.
I don't mind the more uniform look, I believe it makes sense at the beginning but as they series goes on more personalized/individual suits make more sense.
The reason Deadpool's outfit is best is because it's so freaking comic accurate while still not being cheesy. Movie studios.. come on?! No reason for amazing characters like Storm Cyk and others to have that same costume treatment.
I don’t dislike the leather, I just wish the individualization was more apparent. Wolverine’s costume in DoFP was a huge step in the right direction in terms of color.
Jean and Rogue needed their orange-blue and yellow-green looks. But with the latter they have to give her a spine first.
Wolverine's DoFP suit might be my favourite as it's clearly inspired by his classic comic book suit while looking more serious, mature and edgy.
The leather suits were interesting. I didn't hate them, but I hope to see the X-Men wearing their costumes in the MCU. Now I really need to rewatch the X-men films again. Deadpool's suit is still the best!
In the comic books, X-men have some of the most diverse and vibrant costumes out there.
And thats for a reason, X-Men is all about diversity. The color palette represents all different people coming together and forming a community in their struggle for acceptance.
Having them all in black wearing basically the same outfit goes against the very message of the book itself.
Oh it’s even worse than that, Storm one of if the most important comic book characters in terms of representation is turned into the token black sidekick.
These movies really make me hate them a lot of the time.
@@li-limandragon9287 No kidding. in X-men Apocalypse they even made her Egyptian.
At least the MCU will likely showcase her African heritage in the manner it deserves.
I disagree. In some comics, the Xmen wear identical uniforms.
@@lucasotheguy5376 Only during the Grant Morrison run and the OG run from the 60's The vast majority of the time they have unique costumes.
@@StephenLeGresley In the '90s series, most of the characters wear blue and yellow suits. And in other comics besides the ones you mentioned, the Xmen also wore identical costumes. So I don't understand the problem.
I get the whole bit explaining that these X-Men work in the Shadows, so suits like Raimi's Spider-Man wouldn't really fit with the tone of those movies. But my main gripe is that I feel like we've had suits for the X-Men in the past that I think pulled off the compromise of individuality, but still being more or less uniform. My personal favorite of that genre of suits being the ones in X-Men Evolution. I could see those suits all being worked from the same base, but allowed each Mutant to have input on the suit's design, either to accommodate their powers, or for their own flare.
I say after Sam Raimi Spiderman they had the opportunity to introduce them in slowly and they didnt,and after the MCU explosion in accurate costumes The Fox Xmen Costumes continued to feel like they weren't willing to accurately show both the heroes and the Suits they wear.
I stand by the idea that the 90s Jim Lee Era Xmen costumes are among the 4 most Iconic Superhero Teams behind Justice League and the Avengers and sitting above the Teen Titans.
Exactly you just stop running out of excuses when everyone else is committing the source and making millions. To me though the costumes weren’t the problem it was how they treated the characters not named Logan or Mystique. Gambit, Rogue, Storm and Jubilee are my absolute favourite X-Men and they wasted and ruined by these movies.
The X-Men were an even more iconic team than the Avengers until the MCU came about.
@@therandominfochannel6619 The Fox films made sure to make them less iconic.
@@li-limandragon9287 no it was the hit and miss nature of those films compared to the overall success of the MCU. It was a process. The OP was saying that the X-Men team of the 90s was the third most popular team, but in the 90s there was no question the X-Men were more popular than the Avengers.
@@therandominfochannel6619 Oh certainly the X-Men were more popular before the MCU but nowadays casual people won’t look at Storm and Rogue and think they’re awesome, just think “Oh it’s Halle Berry and the girl from Trueblood”
It's crazy that a series all about expressing individuality and being proud of who you are, is so conservstive with its looks.
Here after xmen animated Cyclops made fun of black leather xD
I loved the First Class suits myself. Those 60s jumpsuits were sweet.
I do love those suits!!
"What were you expecting? Black leather?"
More costume videos please. Love that you spoke of the relevance to the era (which sadly it held onto for too long, by 2003 the whole dark leather thing was out) given the popularity of Blade, The Matrix (and The Crow!)
Agreed
Leather costumes were great. What fits the comic book aesthetics, seldom transfers well to silver screen. Dress them like in comics and they'd look like clowns. Cyclops' line "you'd rather wear a yellow spandex?" says it all.
You got it with Deadpool and Wolverine having the best two costumes in the franchise. In one of marvels best films to date
I think it’s one of the only times black leather has been done decent tbh
The black costumes play on a dystopian cyberpunk vibe, which is one of the more interesting vibes that the X-men historically play in.
DoFP’s Magneto imo is one of his worst looks. As a professional costume designer, when we use armor it’s to define silhouette. Here the armour looks incredibly flat, and not at all incorporated into his suit, it’s just plates plates on his torso and nothing else. If he had gauntlets or even some kind of armoured callback at his boots it would help tremendously. Here it looks tacked on and ill fitting.
Apocalypse and his look at the end of First Class are imo peak Magneto. The apocalypse suit is quite loaded but it works as a Horseman armor.
I think the black leather was over hated because it was a bit to risky to try and adapt it back then where sam raimi went full on out with it. But now that Hugh is coming back we can finally see how they will adapt it because if anyone's suit is tricky to adapt and still have him look badass one of them is Wolverine, but beside that I was fine with the black leather suits
wolverine not wering the yellow spandex in the deadpool universe will be the worst miss oportunity since deadpool not talking to stan lee in the first one, sure they correct it in the fake trailer, but still that was the one interaction i was looking the most in the first one
Wolverine doesn’t need a mask. Why would an mutant with a healing factor and indestructible skeleton need a mask? He doesn’t need a mask as a helmet. Literally every other X-Man does not wear a mask. It’s not like he needs a mask to hide his identity.
@@petermj1098 Then give him the outfit without the mask.
@@ShadowSonic2 The comics did it many times since the 2000s. Look at the Ultimate version of Wolverine
It all worked out decent/great. It was worth the black leather to get to where we are. Although x1 is still one of my fav for its grounded atmosphere & I loath the new mcu lack of depth/tension & not grounded feeling enough for me anymore. But I'm excited actually for flash & deadpool3
The X-Men are the one thing I look forward to seeing in the MCU alone. My concern is will Marvel pull it off? Will it suffer from the same tropes they need to break away from? The MCU has so much going on with the multiverse and all these new characters being introduced that I don’t know where the hell mutants fit in. I guess Phases 7 or 8 is when we could see them and those could be the Mutant Saga. I’m cautiously optimistic they’ll pull it off but I’m not sure.
If Guardians 3 wasn’t fantastic I’d be worried they just need to focus on telling good stories and giving the characters justice.
Great video. Apocalypse is such a tease with those Danger Room costumes and Psylocke's outfit. Honestly, more so given her friendship with Ryan Reynolds, Olivia Munn would've fit more in the Deadpool corner of the X-Men films than in Apocalypse.
For the first one i think it make sense to wear all black because most of the mission are covert operations, but they should've gradually turned into more expressive suit for branding for the public that they're peacekeepers and heroes. I like the logic in Astonishing X-men. They went from black outfits and back as superhero costume to show the public that they're superheroes, not some random dangerous mutants. X-Men : Dark Phoenix however showed us that the blue and yellow costume the blandest way possible and then they're back in their civil clothes in the end.
"Is this gonna be about wearing tights?"
"Sorry, Logan, heroes wear costumes and frankly, all the black leather is making people nervous." (Scott Summers, Astonishing X-Men)
If only they went with this statement instead
That's funny!
Great video dude. I don't know if there's anyone out there who's as passionate as you about the costumes in the X-Men movies or comic-book movies in general
What I like the most about the X-Men movies is the fact that they never tried to follow the MCU's formula or their tropes, especially after it became a trend
They never relied on nostalgia, the tone always kept consistent, and they always focused on the present
But it would have been nice to have a plan together, and followed up on each film. Now every X-Film under the MCU will feel the same.
if you mean the early movies...you do realize they came out long before the MCU, right?
if you mean the later movies...most of them still kind of sucked, so take that what you will.
@LeonardoKlotz
Still there’s difference between having your own identity and butchering the source material you don’t jive with. I mean look at Rogue, it’s smart to have start off weak like the comics, but she should be busting out Wonder Woman shit by X3 or Days of Future Past. Not paying that off is just pissing on the character.
The MCU has issues, but not caring for the characters has never been one of them.
will you just stop
What the fuck? Are you serious? Those movies were horrendous and rife with plot armor and lackluster 3rd act battles. This is what influenced the MCU.
3:53 what's the music playing?
The X2 suits are absolutely gorgeous. Everything about that film rocks frankly. Someone should do a video highlighting William Stryker.
19:46 And we got it with the on set photos that have been shared around
I really don't like the costume choice in the first X-Men. You mention that the idea of friendly heroes in bright costumes rescuing cats from trees is not a thing, but remember Charles is meant to be striving for acceptance, and yet he chooses to dress his personal army of extremely powerful meta-humans in something that wouldn't look out of place on any fascistic secret police force.
Especially given his history with Eric, and Eric's own history with fascists, it just seems like an incredibly poor choice. Optics are always important, and what kind of first impression was he going for here? There's a reason why Blade and Batman wear black, and it's not to instil a feeling of humanity or kindness.
The costumes are not _bad_, in that they are very well designed and likely met the brief that was given, I just don't think that "darkly menacing" is the look that Charles would have been going for.
It also doesn’t help Spider-Man 2002 came out and showed yes you can do comic costumes on screen, making the black leather even more dumb.
@@li-limandragon9287 like imagine if they forced spiderman to wear black baggy leather lol good lord!
Yeah, they weren't bad, the design was solid and quality of them was good (they weren't your average crappy Halloween costumes), but the problem was the X-Men didn't look like X-Men.
I was in high school when the first X-Men movie came out, and can confirm that, at the time, the leather suits got millions to see the movie who otherwise would have passed. In 2000, colorful superhero outfits were considered nerdy (in the 90s sense of the word) or childish. No HS+ age person was interested at the time. Without the choices of X-Men, superhero movies would not have gone as they did.
This might sound a bit random but how is Origins Deadpool supposed to eat and drink. Was the idea they have to put him on a drip in between missions? Perhaps he throws food in the air and cuts it fruit ninja style then teleports so it’s directly in his stomach
They were purely thinking rule of badass with that one to the point where it blinded them, when Ryan Reynolds found out what Deadpool looked like in that movie he apparently tried telling the people behind it that the design was a bad idea and all the fans were going to freak out, the people making that version of Deadpool were so blind they apparently said “I know right!” In an excited tone like the fans we’re gonna be super excited to see their badass new interpretation of Deadpool
IMO the best aiming towards comic-accurate Marvel costumes put to screen are:
Iron Man:
Mark III (Iron Man)
Mark VII (Avengers)
Mark XLVI (Civil War)
Mark LXXXV (Endgame)
Captain America:
Stealth suit (Winter Soldier)
Scale mail suit (Endgame)
Deadpool
Spider-Man:
Raimi
TASM2
NWH (Final Swing)
Psylocke
The original trilogy's matrix knock offs are some of the worst costumes. Not just cause they are bland and have everyone look the same, but because of the insulting "we're above the dumb comic stuff" attitude about the outfits. Don't think I've been more annoyed at a line of dialogue than Cyclops' "what would you prefer, yellow spandex?"
This video aged like fine wine. They did give us the best outfits in Deadpool and Wolverine. I pointed at the screen when I saw Hugh put on the mask.
I dont mind the X-Men costumes at all, especially the tactical war-time costumes in Days of Future Past. But it was wonderful to see the more classic costumes at the end of Apocalypse
1:07 Short answer? Yes they were. Conceptually, sounds plausible, but the Ultimate comics handled that color scheme so much better.
No they weren't. Yall are just comic crybabies who bitch whenever a comic book movie isn't one for one exactly as it was in the comics.
I never liked the black leather, but you made some interesting points. I love First Class and the suits as well. I don't have strong opinions about most of the rest of them. I liked Quantumania a lot; hope you enjoy it.
Kang so fucking amazing, exactly what I want Doctor Doom to be.
Those suit from First Class were awesome bro
This was a sick video! Loved the look back and walk down memory lane. I too wish we’d seen the end credits suits in later instalments. Fingers crossed the MCU designs rock!
I completely agree with your critique of Apocalypse. Make him taller and lighten his skin just a touch so you can see some contrast between it and the suit and it's great.
I feel like a adaption of X-men evolution’s costumes could work rather well they’re unified enough to show they’re a team but with a individually to where they’re not all the same.
Storm looked good in that black leather 👀
Thank you, for bringing up (albeit briefly) the Grant Morrison / Frank Quietly run on the New X-Men comics, which were being written and developed at the same time as the 2000 movie, and were released around the same period. One of the key reasons they chose the black leather suits for the movie, was because at that time that was the direction they were going in the comics! The movie costumer was trying to be as comics accurate as possible for the current comics era and time period.
Wish you talked about the First Class post credit scene Magneto costume as well. The metallic purple and red was comic accurate…but a bit “cheap” looking. Would have loved a hybrid of that and Days of Future past.
The movie is set in the 60s it makes sense Magneto wears his 60s style costume.
23:31 bro you predicted correctly, every fox character had awesome suits in DP3, even the wolverine variants, especially wolverines brown suit
I like them all. Never thought they were bad. It's an adaptation. Movies need to look a little more utilitarian than pure cartoon aesthetic.
Still costumes are one thing, character assassination is another. Rogue, Storm and Cyclops have been almost ruined in the mainstream by these films.
An adaptation should glorify and celebrate the source material not treat it like a means to an end.
Paramedic outfits are utilitarian, but they're not black leather. The X-Men are meant to be a force for good, so they shouldn't turn up looking like they're going to beat you up and steal your wallet. Adding some colour doesn't detract from utilitarianism and the costumes should fit their goals, which as far as I remember, didn't include intimidating everyone who sees them (if that was Charles' desire, he wouldn't need to use scary costumes, he could just brainwash all of humanity).
@@li-limandragon9287 i think Rogue's adaptation in a more fragile character is great and fits the main traits of the character, and fits more in a movie in general, her having super strenght and flight because she permanently absorbing someone else powers is kinda stupid, so she can absorb permanently every single power she wants? how does that even work?
@@Spillow-CI will look back a bit but it felt wierd having Rogue in a younger role in the films when the young teen in the animated television series was Jubilee.
Put it this way: why would you want your team wearing black leather when have a lady who controls the weather and frequently uses wind/snow/rain?
The x men are a team, and this is like a team uniform, i get what they were going for, but they could have done a compramise with black being the base unifiying color, with eact x men having personalized additions to their suits like in x men evolution,
I wish you had talked about Toad's costume from X-Men (2000). IMHO, it was a major improvement on the Toad costume from his first appearance in 1964.
I now term any comic book movie that teases comic accurate costumes at the end of the movie then goes back on them for the follow up as being “X-Men Apocalypsed”. I really hope they don’t do that with Spidey’s costume from the end or no way home
When they come to the mcu properly there'll be a joke where they open a case full of black leather suites and one of them says he'll no we ain't wearing this
Yes the suits were as bad as people think. If they're supposed to be going out Define other mutants then they shouldn't look like they're a biker gang. That's the problem with the X-Men movies I can't genuinely take them seriously when they're in their uniforms, if they were in their civilian clothing most of the time I wouldn't have as big as a problem and I would take them more seriously in their mission statement then if they were in their costumes.
You’re right, I got into a argument with someone who defended how Rogue was in these movies and how it fit the tone of the films better than the comics version
Except the point of a character with the nickname “Rogue” is that she should have a spine and be troublemaker. That name makes no sense with the character here, should be called “Mope” or “Sad I can’t kiss girl”
@@li-limandragon9287 exactly, if they want to be characters who appear to be friendly they should dress in friendlier colors. Throw in the fact that Rogue is supposed to be spunky in spite of the fact that she can't others it feels so weird for her to be a sad, mopey girl, throw in the fact that they didn't give her a southern belle accent also feels like an insult.
I’ve always been *OBSESSED* with Storm’s cape. I’m so glad they were able to at least make it accurate within the limits of the OG trilogy design.
Simon Kinberg might not be a good writer
But you can bet he is a great producer
It was because of him that we got FIRST CLASS, DEADPOOL and LOGAN
And THE MARTIAN too
We blamed the wrong person and threw him into the directing chair for Dark Pheonix.
@@briansilva3344 I found his direction very solid
Better than Brett Ratner's
@@briansilva3344 I mean, Singer was bad, too.
It's a shame you skipped on 'The Wolverine'.
Viper had her comic accurate green suit in the third act, and it looked great.
The ninjas looked good as well, and the Silver Samurai suit was awesome!
i do have a complaint about 'Logan' though. In that film we see the Reeves, a group of cybernetically enhanced mercenaries. They have a pretty crazy look in the comics, in the good way.
However, in the movie they looked rather blend.
But then i saw the concept designs for them, and my jaw hit the floor!
Those early concepts looked amazing! Somehow they did the impossible and managed to translate the crazy design of the comics to real life in a way that makes sense! Those are probably among my favorite designs in the X-men franchises and i can't believe they ended up not using them.. what a waste!
Man, I hope we get the DOFP costume in the Wolverine game when that comes out. I love this series, it's so messy but and so fun and they just nailed the casting so many times.
I’ll never forgive them for teasing those comic accurate costumes at the end of apocalypse just to wear whatever the hell that was in dark phoenix 😂
I love the costume content. Glad that we had gone so far from the black leather times.
in my personal opinion as a long time X-men fan. comic accuracy doesn’t make or break a story. but when you’re dealing with a team so colorful and diverse and that being a huge part of what made them unique? yes. it’s almost egregious how many times they looked bland and colorless. the minor accents did absolutely nothing for me. studios messed up by thinking the team needed to look almost identical with suit designs. the x-men are wacky mutants in a wacky and oppressive world.. in the comic stories its like them showing up and saying “here we are and we aren’t afraid of you, we will be the object of attention where you like it or not” Alex Ross’ designs for the first x-men film(while never shown in practice) were much more faithful and still practical. luckily the mcu will finally give me what i’ve wanted since i was a kid. i can appreciate the older suits ever so slightly because they did let Kevin know that the fans wanted accuracy, but i’ll never forgive them for the mistakes and missteps they took. Deadpool is the shining exception and as someone who doesn’t really like deadpool it still made me happy that they stuck to their guns and delivered. anyways this was a great video! it’s interesting to look back 2 decades to see where we’ve ended up.
I would actually prefer for them to keep the black leather when they come back since that's what I think of for these versions of the characters, also I think we should get proper comic accurate suits with the new MCU actors to properly distinguish both universes
I'm always confused when people praise First Class. disappointing film and the costumes were nothing special. And Magneto's purple and pink look at the end makes me wanna puke. I remember people giggling in the theater at his ugly costume.
I never minded most of the costumes, especially as a kid. I can see how the leather arguably works for the first movie given it’s popularity in other movies. By 03 or 06 they definitely should have added more color and comic accuracy. MCU costumes get some criticism for being too detailed, but at least they don’t shy away from color and masks.
If Marvel doesn’t let Hugh wear that yellow suit in Deadpool 3 I’m gonna be so ticked off especially when he’s gonna be alongside Deadpool in the perfect live action suit for him
They suck because they’re the manifestation of a constant total disregard for the source material.
Oppose to nowadays where there That But an over a design puke mess. That can't stop joking for ten seconds because of take it seriously that's bad?
Even the characters themselves constantly talk about how bad the costumes are 😭
One of the biggest disappointments for me was the Phoenix in The Last Stand. Apparently there was some red in her costume but so muted that I never noticed, and her look in both light and dark version is meant to be flashy. Of course, that was on a par with how poorly the character was treated in that movie in general - hey, let's not only cram the entire saga into one movie, let's only give it half a movie and cram another storyline in there with it - yeah, that'll work! 🙄
They fucking did it twice dude. It’s also a bigger problem with Jean is a that people only know her through the Dark Phoenix stuff and so unlike the cartoons just threw her head first into that shit without any prior development.
@@li-limandragon9287 Arguably TLS is still worse because her story didn't even get one whole movie to itself, let alone the trilogy that it would really need.
@@markchapman6800 At least in Last Stand she’s creepy and actually goes evil unlike in the 2019 film. Where it’s just Sansa having issues.
They turned the Dark Phoenix into discount Scarlet Witch 😂
@@circular_entropy3455 Ironically Wanda herself is more like Jean in the MCU.
Were all so happy to see Hugh wearing the comic accurate in Deadpool &Wolverine
When i saw the suits for Apocalypse Danger Room i was so pumped, think they got leaked before the trailer too, then i see the black and think "Bryan Singer regressed hard".
For a note i like X2/X3, the flight suits in FC are perfect uniformed X Men classic.
Honestly, my only negative with the OG Fox trilogy uniforms was the lack of colour. I understand what's said about taking them seriously, but they DO look like a mutant paramilitary unit. Throw in some colour/greater personalisation (ala First Class), and I'd be totally okay with similar suits in the MCU. But as they are? They're Wolverine's X-Force Black Ops squad.
Aside from that, I'm pretty much with you on this video. And I would have loved that alt Wolverine costume in Days of Future Past from the concept art.
James Marigold claimed Wolverine isn’t the type of character to put on a uniform, *even though he’s goddamn soldier*
@@li-limandragon9287 And that's just one more piece of proof that franchises need someone who understands and respects the source material to be in charge.
@@morlath4767 Still he gave us Logan.
The main idea is that in the movies the X-Men are indeed a mutant paramilitary unit rather than a superhero team, hence the black leather.
@@Bardim18 I know. It's the video that points out they're not trying to be (cuts to a clip of Captain America from the later MCU films).
On another topic. One thing i wish Marvel did in the early 2000s is connect some, or all, of the MCU. We had Spider-Man, Fantastic 4, and X-men. Would of been cool to see a movie featuring some of them team up.
No! THEY DIDN'T SUCK!
Logan’s comic accurate suit was AMAZING
9:28 Ellen, that was Ellen Page. You cant change the past
The cool thing about the X-Men in the comics is that they all have their own unique suits. They express themselves with what they wear, so removing that element of their characters and giving them generic black leather costumes was just a massive mis-step. The subtle colored piping here and there feels like the bare minimum. Also the Wolverine suit is especially unflattering on Jackman since he was already getting ripped by X2. The suit did him no favors. It has fucking bell bottoms almost