The LattePanda Single Board Computer (Perfect for Windows Arcades)
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Whether you’re building an arcade or some other contraption the goto board for most of these projects has been the Raspberry Pi series of single board computers. Since the Raspberry Pi runs an ARM Cortex processor, you would normally run Raspbian - which is a Linux based operating system. If you want to run Windows, you're stuck with Windows 10 IoT or Internet of Things. This can be less than desirable because Windows 10 IoT will not run most desktop applications and can be very limited in functionality.
Well now there’s a single board computer running an Intel Atom processor that comes pre-loaded with a full copy of Windows 10. It has x86 GPIO and even includes an integrated Arduino. Let me introduce you to the LattePanda!
Now many of you over the years have asked me if there is a Windows based computer that you can use in my arcade projects and other projects. And the answer has been “Sure! Just go ahead and build any Windows based PC and put it into your arcade. Well unfortunately when building a bartop arcade or some of my smaller projects a full-size PC isn’t really optimal and may not even fit. Well the good news is they guys over at DFRobot have been listening to us and they have come up with this single board computer that is slightly larger than a Raspberry Pi and runs a full version of Windows 10. In fact it comes pre-loaded from the factory with Windows 10 and this is perfect for smaller projects like bartop arcade cabinets. So let’s take a look at it!
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TheGeekPub can this run Plex and serve as a media server? Great Video
I *WILL* be getting one of these!!!! Great find Mike!
I'm refitting a 1960's built sail boat and I want to install my own designed navigation / chart plotter station. I already run the chart plotter and GPS tracker on my desk top, but I want this to be a dedicated system that will also accept NMEA input from the various sensors aboard like wind speed and direction, depth sounder, log speed, etc. I actually have most of this worked out including mounting the processor vertically in a vented enclosure mounted to a bulkhead to help with heat dissipation - good to see they've included a fan now to help with this and eliminates one of my concerns - my questions:
1. How difficult is it to address the GPIO port from within a Windowed application or is this something you can only do from within a command line console.
2. There was some discussion a year or more ago about being able to fully activate the Windows OS on the Panda. Some have said this only effects the ability to update with service packs and patches, while others aren't sure how it effects the functionality of the system, "but it works OK for the way I use it" and that doesn't answer my question. I've heard some speculate that the OS will time out like the old XP OS did if you could not activate it. I doubt this, but you never know.
If you have the answer it will help me to decide to (or not to) spend the money to build this system. I want to use the Panda because I can write my one Windows GUI that will display all the sensor info along with the chart plotter/GPS tracker program (already bought and working) on a 17 inch display in the cockpit.
Arcade cabinets are perfectly suited for an µATX or ITX board, or a salvaged board out of a dead laptop. But i can see lots of use for x86 Atom SBCs too when heat dissipation and space are an issue.
I personally would rather stick with Linux on my arcade setups, but I can see how Windows centric builders would totally love this device. And the price seems right to me.
Actually the price of Panda is ~4x as much as that of many other comparable SBC's with Linux,..., so no thanks, and besides, paying Microsoft for an OS that should be FREE, is against my constitution. :)
A follow up with some benchmarks would be nice.
Sooo, the bottom just becomes the top... Seems quite easy to me...
Woukd there be an issue with that?
150$!!!!!!! I would rather run rasbian. No offense I still love the video I was just surprised
zion leister but you can run roblox on the panda!
Considering even a System Builder copy of Windows 10 is about $100, and with the Arduino integration, this actually looks like a pretty good deal.
I was going to say the same thing. When you consider the price of a Windows 10 license, the board itself is almost free.
main problem with lattepanda is cpu throttling... the fan is an absolute MUST, otherwise it will bring down cpu from 1.6ghz to just 400mhz, after a few seconds...
I noticed this issue as well. That's why I am running the fan.
I believe that the CPU placement has it's advantages: You can screw the board on the inside wall of a cabinet while the fan on the bottom side can vent the heat through hole or vents
this looks extremely promising, I must say, but until I have the need to work on a desktop unit, I won't be needing it at all, Still, I know this will come in handy in the future for me!
would have been nice to see a performance comparison between it and a Pi3.
That's kind of difficult, since they don't run the same OS.
that doesn't really matter though. You can run the same OS-agnostic apps on both systems... Emulation Station, retropie, GIMP, etc
I mean, the title of this video is that it's perfect for an arcade... even running just one N64 game on the Pi3 and the LattePanda and comparing the average FPS would have been really interesting/revealing. The OS doesn't matter at all.
Cool! Make a video!
think about it Bob - why does any of that matter to the end user? All that matters is the real world performance. Windows might use up more resources but the LattePanda has more RAM and a faster processor. It's unclear whether that would nullify the Windows overhead. This could easily have been tested. And I'm not talking about benchmarks or synthetic tests. I'm simply talking about does game X run better on a Pi3 or a LattePanda!
But why would you want Windows for emulating old arcade games? Since you are emulating already, you might as well run Linux, whether on x86 or arm. And if you think you can run very old Windows games on Windows 10 natively, be prepared to be disappointed. Dosbox is definitively better.
I agree, but many people prefer Windows simply because thats the OS they know.
Hi, could you please tell me some good possibles for x86 and arm if you have any. Are any of the guys using that new Tinkerboard? or are you not even thinking SBCs (single board computers)? I'd like to hear anyone's input on this please - In other words, what you had in mind when you typed that. I have a Pi 3b, but most guys want to emulate the higher platforms or systems as well - N64, Dreamcast, PS2 etc.That's why x86-64 looks so good. Right now, I'm of a mind that a mini ITX, and a fairly decent GPU is the way to go. Then it would just be deciding whether Linux or windblows. I'd probably go with the later and LaunchBox/BigBox - it looks so good (but I do love linux).
My reason to use Windows for an arcade machine build would be Naomi emulation - Demul - DX11, as well as maybe something like a Dolphin branch for Triforce arcade machine, also works best with DirectX11/12, but reasonably enough on OpenGL/Linux too. Unfortunately, both won't feel themselves at home on an Atom, they need at least midrange/highend laptop class CPUs, better even desktop CPUs.
Another line of thinking is that all emulators for higher end machines that don't necessarily require GPU acceleration and are thus fine on Linux have DynaRec support on x86 CPUs, but only a small selection has support on ARM CPUs, so within the same power envelope of say 2W, x86 Atom will simply practically perform a lot better. I'm not sure what kind of arcade system emulation specifically it would apply to though. NullDC doesn't have Naomi support and i'm not exactly prepared to add it, and i'm not even sure whether the performance of Atom will be sufficient, but at least it's much much faster than Demul, so there's a fighting chance.
But i'm speaking from the point of view of a person with 20 years of Linux experience, and you can't necessarily require that from every single person that builds themselves a toy.
You could also run a front end like LaunchBox on this, because it's running ob Windows.
the fan won't be obstructed if you just sit it down upside down
Then you'd block access to all the GPIO ports.
still the fan wouldn't be obstructed Kappa
+darksouls45688, your one of those guys that loves to argue even when you've been slapped up side the head with the facts. You don't impress me much.
LattePanda 4G/64GB - a Win10 Development Board (without Win10 product key)
Price: $159.00
- This device does not include a Windows 10 activation key
So, you get it loaded, just not licensed.
That is correct. Only the 2GB/32GB version comes with a license.
HMMM $200 for a new Atom based micro pc, OR $200 for a second hand lenovo on ebay with a gen2 Core i5 (include power supply, harddisk 4GB DDR3 ram, etc).
The only half reasonable price to perf micro pc options are stuff like the Orange pi lite $12 - that can do PS1 N64 DOS and most everything before that.
I want to buy one, but I need to know the height, can you please tell me? At the web page it only says length x width
How do you handle the power button situation? As far as I know it can only be powered and reset using the little on board micro switches. Any solutions for using external switches?
Just wondering how this might work for home theater or garage entertainment system. Looks like it has sufficient storage, not sure there are sufficient connectors.
I'm not really sure what connectors it would be missing.
have you herd of the beagle board XM
I still haven't come across anyone trying to run hyperspin on a latte.
it is possible switch Windows for RetroPie?
What are you monitoring there on the screen at the end?
www.thegeekpub.com/9273/custom-observium-dashboards/
Thanks! Now I just need to setup Observium.
The CPU is on TOP!!! Everything else is on the bottom
The ATOM CPU really is on the bottom side of the PCB, underneath the perforated shielding.
COOL!
But they don't ship to australia D:
Atsuro Kihara just go through a reseller? I'm in Australia too and ordered one from core-electronics.com.au/brands/lattepanda-australia
Hasn't the Atom been discontinued for a while now
Nope. That report turned out to be false. They are still made and still shipping daily.
Cherry Trail is in active production, not suspended. The future Widow Trail is partially suspended, it's coming out as an IoT device (branding unknown), but not as a tablet SoC like current Atom. Instead, there will be a new power-efficient platform for tablets potentially derived from higher-performance platforms, details to be announced.
But i sure wonder whether Intel has been riding a foot-chaingun lately, their actions are so vague and erratic. Atom Bay/Cherry Trail might not be a major profit source, but it's cheap and it sells like hot cakes, so it does contribute to keeping the company afloat.
I'm really hoping AMD can make a Ryzen based APU that can compete or beat the bay/cherry trail atoms.
In this decade, it amazes me that anyone would shoot themself in the foot with 10/100 Ethernet. For shame! The Pi 3b did it for cost, but come on - a buck or two? Also, I don't understand 30 fps HDMI. That doesn't make any sense either. Oh, when you do videos like this, could you please remember to state whether the micoSD slot is push/push or push/pull. The Pi 3b blew it there as well. That's why 19 out of 20 cases are useless with it - you can't grab the card to pull it! BTW, you can now run EmulationStation on Windows and 64 bit. You use RetroArch as you mentioned and standalone emulators through the ES frontend - just search 'emulationstation for windows' on youtube.
30 FPS HDMI is because HDMI 2.0 is a not-insignificant engineering challenge to implement, particularly on a chip like the atom.
with onlt 4gb of ram whats the newest system it can run?
Windows 10, which it comes with.
i meant emu systems ;)
Any of them should work fine. It has 1.8 Ghz CPU and 4 GB of RAM. Even the PS2 emulator only needs around 768 megabytes.
sorry to keep bugging you but is that 1.8 per core or total?
Jack, PS2 emulation, on 1.8 GHz Atom? You serious? It just about works for me on an Ivy Bridge with 2.2 GHz or Phenom II x6 with 3.5 GHz. Same thing Dolphin for the sake of Gamecube. There's no headroom whatsoever.
thegeekpub, would you think this be good for a jukebox build ?
I'm not thegeekpub, so maybe he knows something I don't, but you'd need to give me a lot more info before I could answer your question. What kind of jukebox? With CDs? With MP3s? Robotic or not? How big? I can tell you the sound chip on the LattePanda isn't amazing enough for me personally. Though a USB sound device could fix that.
Jack Johnson im going digital,mp3s.and external drive. I was thinking ryzen 3,mobo and touch screen and saw this.
is the audio that bad ?
I wanna do this on a budget
You're kinda talking out of both sides of your mouth. ;-) Ryzen 3 is not budget friendly! It's not terrible, but for an audiophile I wouldn't use it. I feel the same way about the Pi audio.
Pi has straight up i2s pins, just use a decent DAC like hifiberry or compatible. The default PI audio is sawtooth PWM, and it's what i'd describe as "mildly horrible", but i2s is just a boot config change away.
If going for a PC build, no point in Ryzen, just use whatever old crap comes your way, like an old AMD APU or i3/Pentium, whatever you can grab. Depending on how you feel about the mainboard DACs, you may want an external soundcard, but i think cheap mainboard soundcards are fine as long as they're driving a high-impedance input like an amplifier, but they falter audibly on headphones. VIA have a mess of drivers, but the audio circuits are actually half way decent even on low end chips, Realtek has a few better or worse ones, 892 is pretty bad, but 889, 898 and 1150 are fine. Gigabyte seems a bit less sloppy than ASRock with analog layout and decoupling capacitors. But let me put it that way, depends on what your skill as speaker cabinet engineer is, and how much money you're pouring into your amp - if both of these aspects aren't going to be top notch, then just any mainboard soundcard will not matter, it will be fine.
Had a latte panda was dead after 1 day pile of rubbish better to get a x86 pc and use linux mint and then install retropie far better and will do n64 and dreamcast at decent speed .Worst thing i ever backed on kickstarter sold it to a guy in germany as faulty and hew was going to try and fix it even the pine 64 still works just a shame there is no decent software ..
I'm not saying you're a liar, but I question why you would not just get it replaced under warranty? It does have one, and I've not heard of anyone being refused service.
Reggie Cotton because sending something back to China is a load of hassle and the people behind latte panda are useless they have lots of complaints if you have to change a setting in bios and it does not boot you have to reflash the bios as there is no way of resetting it to default on the board Mine was a early kickstarter board latest versions might well be better ,been temted to get rid of the pine 64 sbc as well but it has some good features but terrible software.backed many things on kickstarter and this has been the only one to be disappointing .in the long run a cheap amd based x86 with retropie installed would be far faster my budget amd 860x pc build with an old msi amd 7870 and retropie is far faster and with retropi for linux installed it makes for a far better machine.
Dude. Punctuation. Learn it!
was on the phone and no need to learn.
Hmmmm... The return shipping address for DFRobot is not in China, and they allow returns no questions asked for 90 days.
gameboy panda
Noticed it does NOT come with a product key. Would I have to pony up another $100 to Microsoft then?
Depends on which version you buy. Some of them DO come with a key.
Actually the 2GB/32GB linked above by Mike does come with a key.
....windows on a single board.. cool..... windows..... requires a fan and heatsink =stupid bulky and you know its going to run hot. these devices still do NOT play like original hardware...
or or or.... you can just turn it "upside-down" to have the CPU fan pointing to your house's roof since there is no reason to call one side up and the other side down other than conventional thinking.... its not like fluids gonna spill or the ram is going to confuse itself lol
Except there are feet on the "bottom" of the case. And the connectors for the GPIO and gravity sensors would be unusable if you sat it on the "top".
The "feet" are feet just if you want them to be feet again its about conventional thinking.. they could be gap holders for stacking one on top of an other for example and the case would be perfectly steady if turned "upside-down" where there are no "feet"
The gravity sensors will still be 100% usable my phone has gravity sensors which are working no matter how I hold it "upside-down" or "downside-up" etc.
The GPIO could be an argument but only if you want it to be I dont see any major issues with that either the cables that go inside the case to connect with the GPIO are elastic enough to bend between the case and the surface underneath it. You could also place it as a tower if you like to have both worlds (room for the fan and for the GPIO)
Install windows and then watch as it eats up over half your ram.