Thank you, sir, for your continued effort on letting us know about new products that we NEED to have. So many project, so little time, so little spare money! Well done initial review ... looking forward to updates.
Got the UDOO today, and it's very nice. Still working to get an OS installed. I got the Orange Pi+ 2E yesterday--and it's a very nice unit as well. I installed Armbian straight away, and had it up & running in about 30 minutes or so. But the UDOO looks amazing--can't wait to get an OS installed!
well that's really good , one of the best boards , which can do all kinds of stuff. when it is connected to SSD , it increases it's functionality exponentially. Good board , for beginners as well as for geeks , like you.
A year back I bought a little i3 6100U based PC from China, was around US$300 with Win 10 Pro N, 8GB and 128GB SSD, dual band wifi etc in a fanless case, has been running as a security cam server for almost a year now without a glitch, although it does auto reboot at midnight to keep things running as fast as possible, but that never fails either, so pretty happy with these lower cost machines. Hard to justify the Udoo when you can buy a complete PC with similar specs for less once SSD etc is added to the Udoo cost. BTW, link is www.aliexpress.com/item/Pre-sale-Limited-Qty-Skylake-Mini-PC-Core-i7-6500U-i5-6200U-i3-6100U-Intel-HD/32705619815.html Edit: Also forgot to mention it has space for real HDDs in the case and dual SATA connectors on board (but only one power connector). So, with a low profile right-angle SATA cable, a Silverstone ultra thin SATA cable (SST-CP11B-300), SATA power cable and a SATA power cable splitter, I managed to shoehorn in dual 1TB 2.5" drives as well.
The main cost is the VERY expensive M.2 HD. It will set you back hundreds which is as much as you would pay for everything else so it doubles the price.
It's kind of left the Raspberry pi concept behind & just become a mini pc with an Arduino unit chucked in. If you're going down that road then go the full hog & have a mini pc board in a case with its outlets, hdmi usb etc. Then have a builders board area, on top, where you can plug in a Mega 2560. This can have connections to the mini pc below so you can connect the 2560 to the internet, wifi & Bluetooth etc.
Wow! This is a really nice looking board so far! So much connectivity and power at a reasonable price!
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Your video encouraged me to buy the exact model of Udoo and I don't regret a penny spent on it. I installed an Elementary OS on this baby and it easily became my main workstation for Internet, entertainment and some hobby electronic and software projects. The fact that it's Intel based not only makes it faster, but gives access to a greater software base. And it still fits into a (coat) pocket :)
This is the SBC I have been waiting for. Been wanting one to run various game servers, but needed one with more than 4gb of ram. Just add a m.2 drive and 3d print a case, and I'm ready to setup a server for my friends.
Thanks for this Chris! Looking forward to the benchmarks. I have been seriously considering the Ultra for audio work (live fx, sequencing and sample playback) simply because of form factor and the grunt it seems to have. Thank you!
+Herbert Neal I never thought I would see a day when someone else on RUclips had a Crow.T.Robot avatar. To find you also on ExplainingComputers channel cannot be serendipity. The chances of two people liking a middle aged man talking about computers in the style of the OU, and also liking the same character in a cult American comedy that invented it's self a new genre yet never gained mainstream appeal? This is too weird! Surely? Are you trying to steal my identity and wear my face as your own? Is this a cruel joke from a pernicious God? What could be capable of such chicanery?........Who am I?..............What is self?
Awesome! These are my favorite features of any SBC to date! Because that heatsink is so tall, I think you should be able to mount an SSD on the top of the case, and most certainly the bare board of one would fit! I think it would be a great mounting spot, and make the rest of it more uniform as opposed to having a mountain of a cooler popping out on one side lol :D
Hi Chris. Great video, as always, but I am beginning to wonder whether these boards are simply becoming another form factor for motherboards, rather than something distinct from the PC standard.
This certainly appears to be happening. You wonder how long it will be before we see a Mini-ITX, Pico-ITX or Nano-ITX board with Arduino pin or its own GPIO implementation.
SoCs/SBCs have distinct advantages in terms of power consumption - I mean, consider the Raspberry Pi - it can be an great little wordprocessing, social media and media platform - and it consumes less than 2A (10W) of power - no traditional PC can ever be this power efficient. This move to x86 processors indicates to me that we are heading towards a post-*TX motherboard world quite quickly. This may simply be the result of electronic evolution, but it also brings concerns over the future expandability of general computing, for the PC standard has always embraced the possibility of future upgrades, for, say, enhancing graphics or increasing memory capacity. Are we heading quickly towards the "throw away" PC?
+ExplainingComputers That is a very interesting notion; if i live long enough* to see such boards emerge (and become affordable enough) i would definitely consider getting one.*At age 63 and with somewhat bad health, you never know... ;)
stillfindingmyway the thing with upgrading a PC, is that components become obsolete so quickly. Say you want to upgrade your CPU after a couple of years. Its very likely that your current socket became deprecated and you'll need a new motherboard and probably RAM too. That's much more to throw away then such a small single board computer. And there's not really any incentive to give those old pc components a second life, because a case, HD and supply are bulky and too expensive for this purpose. An old single board computer however, can always be given a second life, needing nothing but a 5V supply.
Ok that's device is cool, I think that one may become a market leader because it has fewer restrictions that other single board computers and another great video again
Not going to lie, if I could use this for general-purpose stuff without the need to run my main comp (which seems to double as an effective space heater even when idle - not fun during the summer), I'd probably buy one as soon as I could afford it. Can't say I'm a fan (no pun) of a case that leaves the heatsink sticking out like a sore thumb, though.
Very interesting, you cannot do too many SBC videos. They have certainly come a long way since I started. The first SBC I got was a LEEN SBC, M6809 based with about 4K of RAM, a PIA and SIO! Bob
When I saw this board, I immediately started to think of a 3D-printed case that would hold the board, a 2.5" SATA drive, a tiny ventilation fan, those two small WiFi antenna boards and some front-panel I/O connected through that front-panel I/O connectror that the board has, it could be a nice 'Green PC'(especially with the UDOO x86 Ultra)
Actually the acrylic case is even able to hold a 2.5" SSD ;-) I have it running since months like this :-) There are 4 screw holes on the oppsite side of the CPU. These 4 holes are there to mount a 2.5" drive. The short cables are meant for this anyway.
Looks rather interesting, it can be defined as "Portable Desktop" because seems powerful and portable enough without being a real laptop while keeping a huge amount of connectivity. Should work well has a traveler/conference/hotel/multimedia PC.
Well actually looking at that heat sink + cooling fan stacked together maybe it wouldn't work so good as a tablet board after all, that thing is pretty tall with all that stuff on
Comparing with LattePanda which already comes with W10 it really depends on the connectivity for me. The SATA port and 3x USB 3 and SSD option are very attractive indeed.
I have both the Celeron N3160 and the Atom X8500 CPU , and the Atom is definitely a lot slower! about as slow as the Celeron running at power saving mode (peaking in at 1,6Ghz, mostly idling around 400Mhz, with occasional 1,2Ghz upclocking when the program requires it. The Celeron N3160 suffers most from this CPU scaling effect, when in powersaving, or balanced mode. In High Performance mode, it'll idle at 800Mhz, but upclock to 2,1Ghz with the slightest activity (above 10% CPU), and lag is not really noticed. The atom X8500 is good for basic stuff, and very energy efficient. Great for small home based servers, running chatroom or bittorrent software on. The Celeron N3160, with decent cooling, is doing awesome at just about everything including retro gaming of up to DX9 games at a resolution of up to 1080p, or more modern DX11 games at up to 480pix (sadly most DX11 games require 720p or above). The Celeron does feel very smooth, and can run Audio software with almost no latency, only in high power mode (running at almost a constant 2,14Ghz). Just in case you'd be wondering what probably would have been the difference between the Advanced, and the basic one. I just wished they provided mounting screws, to mount this board in a 3.5" drive slot, or even mount it under a 3.5" Blueray player (or harddrive). A lot of 2.5" harddrives and 3.5" CD/DVD/Blueray-ROM players, have mounting pins on the bottom, providing excellent protection to create a complete PC at a size just a tad larger than a drive.
Very nice..interesting little desktop/SBC I have recently kicked Window$ to the curb and put Ubuntu MATE on my computer...sure I loose some things, but my machine that is limited to 4GB of RAM is once again fast and snappy. For $165, probably not a bad setup and being so small might be able to be mounted to the back of a decent monitor to create a "all in one" type build Definitely want to see some stress tests/burn in and to see how well it can process say "Seti @ home/BOINC" packets Great review..keep em coming!
WiFi in built-in but only 802.11 N not AC, but the upgrade board is only $16 as I recall and upgrade Bluetooth from 4.0 to 4.2 and adds antenna ports so it is worth it. Still all this should have been built-in instead with an eventual Bluetooth 5.0 module later on.
I think this board is more intended for the extremely space constrained or power constrained folks. If you have the space for a normal small form factor PC it may be better to hunt down the used market for parts, as for the same cost you may get more performance out of it. For example an LGA775 server motherboard, an LGA775 quad core Xeon, 8GB of DDR2 ECC memory and a mid tier used graphics card together comes in the same price as this board, likely performs better, but will occupy more space and draw more power. Since server parts are built to last, the used server build will last as long as a new Udoo.
Chris please get Udoo Bolt and do a review about it. It seems that Bolt is going to be something big and important. It would be awesome to see the first review of Udoo Bolt from you.
Use this for a week as your daily driver like you've done in the past - OK? Also, I was going to say you didn't give the speed of the wifi (bgn a/c) or the version of the HDMI, but I know now that you didn't say because they don't even say (I went to their website). Still, it's nice and excellent video on your part as always.
Udoo claim that the board is ten times more powerful than a Raspberry Pi 3. I think that overstating things, but is it probably as powerful as 4 or 5 Raspberry Pis in real world situations. I intend to run some tests and report back! :)
You should compare it to 5 stacked together RPis! Nah, I'm kidding. But speaking or Pis, I saw the other day some aluminium cases for it, which they claim, act as a heatsink. Have you tried any of that, Chris?
I do have a Pi 3 inside an aluminum case (a Kodi FLIRC case to be exact) and it does act as a heatsink. The case does get pretty warm, especially when decoding HD video.
Seems like you could mount the thing with some VESA screws to the back of a TV or display at first glance. Mind comparing the size of the board's screws at the corners with the VESA standard and seeing if they're on par?
I'm not sure about this SBC. For a little more money than the board and all the peripherals needed to get a complete system, I could buy a chromebook or even a cheap laptop with a Core i3 CPU.
By the time you add a display and a keyboard, batteries, descent memory and a case to make it portable, is that then just called a laptop or note book?
OMG. I so want one! Is this the only small form x86-64 board on the market? UPDATE: opps, answered in the last part of the vid. Latte Panda - too many small boards, forget what they are). yes please. head to head benchmarks. :)
Hey Christopher great video. How does this compare to the Odroid XU4 ? I'm looking for a good power-efficient single board computer to use as a small webserver and NAS and the SATA port apart from all that m.2 goodness is especially alluring. I saw it's about 5 times faster than a raspi3 but the raspi isn't a particularly powerful sbc so i would be interested to see how it compares to some of the beastier sbcs like the xu4. Cheers
Thanks for this. :) It sounds to me like you may well like an Odroid HC1 or HC2. These are special versions of an XU4, but with a SATA connected (power and data) and designed to mount either a 2.5" or 3.5" drive on the board. So designed to build a server/NAS. I review them in this video here: ruclips.net/user/edit?o=U&video_id=AtHzhtkxIc8 In terms of other NAS comparions, look at this video where I build a NAS with four SBCs, including the UDOOx86 AP and a Pi 3: ruclips.net/video/jsCgXQjaviM/видео.html The UDOO wins (it really is a great board with fantastic flexibility), but other boards -- eg a Rock64 -- offer better value. Good Luck with your build!
I'd like to see how it performs running windows. Still, this is the most interesting single board computer I've seen. I'm likely to purchase one myself.
Lol good old technology. I have just spent hours cramming a mini stx motherboard into the frame of a tandy FD1400 laptop... I totally would of went with the Udoo advanced ultra in leu of the pentium 4600 i have currently crammed in there. Thanks for these videos Chris, even when they show me how by waiting 2 months could have saved me a few days of work, cheers.
Its all good, worst case on this being a far more powerful CPU used and ddr4 ram. I'll just have to keep this in mind when i next do a similer project.
this is an excellent video and this looks like a superb small computer. I find myself wondering why I would want one as it seems to be edging up towards the smaller ITX boards. I also have lots of old P4 motherboards lying around which would suffice for many tasks. Granted they couldn't run 3 monitors maybe. The advantage of something like the PI is that it's so cheap and has everything onboard, this computer is more powerful but it's like a mini PC and can be quite expensive once the add on peripherals are included. Powerful and small it is though, no doubt.
ty for the video i have the x86 advanced and love it thus far its small enough for me to put ontop of my tool chest and have the screen recessed into the top for aircraft maint work , that and it is nice to have something NOT made in china but Italy ( even tho its a US company )
And just today, (I'm being serious it's scary), I was thinking, in the future small board computers will be so much more powerful then they are now, and run Windows, Linux, etc. and here we are with an SBC running a Celeron Processor, 4GB DDR3 Memory, Wifi, m.2 SSD, Linux Mint, and... UH! that was quick!
Hey Christopher, I was just wondering if you knew how high the board is? (from base of the board to top of heat sink). Haven't been able to find a datasheet with this info! Thank you!
From the base of the M.2 connector (the lowest point) to the top of the fan (highest point) is abput 35mm. That's about 8.5mm below the PCB, about a 2mm PCB, and the rest above.
Thank you for the prompt reply. Looking to make a laptop using this board but that's a little too high :S. RPi 3 fits so maybe I'll go with that but would love more power!
Hello, interesting videos as always. Been watching your videos before buying new boards for my personal experiments as well. What was the total cost of the whole UDOO x86 Advance Plus setup that appeared on this video (case, wifi, SSD, etc). Thanks
As impressive of a SBC as it is, once one adds all the extra bits to make it a functioning computer, I wonder how it would compare to standard computers of a similar price. As SBCs get larger and more expensive, they may start to lose any advantages over standard computing offerings already on the market. With that being said, SBCs haven't lost their appeal for me yet. I look forward to your next look at this product!
From what I understand transcoding with plex requires an x86 cpu. UDOO is supposed to be a good plex server with transcoding. _"Yes! I just purchased an Udoo board to do this after having really maxed out my Odroid. I can easily run 2-3 streams converting 1080p 10Mbs files to 1.5Mbps 480p on the fly. Sync conversions run between 6-10x real time."_ www.udoo.org/forum/threads/support-for-intel-quick-sync-plex-hardware-transcoding.15498/
I am planning to build a handheld Linux based device with a sliding keyboard, which would be the most powerful and power efficient board that I could fit in a hand held form factor?
You will always have a tension between powerful and power efficient! A Raspberry Pi Zero W is very power efficient, but a board like this is far more powerful. A Pi 3 remains an excellent compromise. It just depends how much power you need.
Well Sir Chris, As always I was impressed with your recommendation of the UD00 x86 Advance PLUS. Yes a bit pricey. but so is the ROCKPRO64 once you add all the components. However, I thing the UD00 x86 Advance PLUS gives me more connection capability as you mentioned. What confuses me on that is there is a SATA port on the board but also optional SATA cable and power cord. Would that allow 2 SATA iii SSD WD drives to be attached? also,, they reference the M2 board you mounted as being available on their site but didn't find it. I opened a ticket asking for assistance in locating it. I would prefer to load OS on the M2 as you did. I will check out that version of OS Linux/Mint I believe you mentioned and read up on it. I need to assure it has a good spreadsheet package with it. and both the document and spread sheets are portable to windows document and spreadsheet programs. I am eagerly looking for your ROCKPRO64 video. However the FORUM board people say it is too early in release cycle to buy as they are still working out bugs. I was going to connect usb3 to sata cables x2 and my spare 500gb drives. however the UDOO seems more suited for those 2 SATA III SSD drives and use M2 card. THE DECISION WILL BE PRICE AFTER ADDING UP ALL COMPONENTS FOR EACH and getting a final price for each.SO SORRY AGAIN TO RAMBLE ON! I AM JUST EXCITED! YOU ARE DEFINITELY PURE QUAITY IN Y9UR VIDEO PRESENTATIONS OVER THE OTHERS COMPETING. YOUR IN DEPTH KNOWLEDGE AND METHOD OF EXPLAINING TO ALL VIEWERS THE PRODUCTS ARE ON SPOT!BE SURE AND HAVE A COMPETITION BETWEEN UDOO AND ROCKPRO CONNECTING 2 SSDs AND PERFORMANCE!IF YOU EVER COME TO USA. HEAD TO ATLANTA GA.. LET ME KNOW IN ADVANCE! I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN A SEMINAR OR JUST MEET YOU IN PERSON.
I suspect the new LattePandas will be great machines -- I've been promised hardware as soon as it is available. The Alpha should be more powerful than the current top UDOOx86. Interesting times.
ExplainingComputers Great! Thanks. Such power in such a small size...it enables a ton of possibilities! I'm thinking of getting one and checking if we can get our BlissROMs.com Android desktop ROM to work on it. If you want, you can try it on your Udoo-x86 too, our lead developer Jon has ported it to that: www.udoo.org/docs-x86/Software_&_OS_Distro/Android.html forum.xda-developers.com/bliss-roms/bliss-roms-development/x86-bliss-x86-pc-s-t3534657
Needs more support to build for mobile applications. The RV community is looking for built-in motorhome computers just like the built-in audio video system.
At your behest and suggestion (thank you). The Udoo website shows four x86 boards, the Ultra (8 GB DDR3), Advanced Plus (4 GB DDR3), Advanced (4 GB DDR3) and Basic (2 GB DDR3), but when I go to look at the Basic, the page isn't available. The Ultra is very expensive, $267, Advanced Plus $174, but no prices on the other two. It's too bad. They have a lot of features I need, but they've priced themselves out of my market with features I don't need. 2.00 GHz is more than I need, and 2 GB DDR3 is plenty. Digikey (my favorite store in the world, after Radio Shack, and maybe Mouser) has it for $135, but they don't tell whether this is an obsolete part, which they would normally show. Still kinda pricey just to get that extra video port. It's MinDP port, so you need an adapter (I don't know what sort of video display has this - I think it's Mac-based). The built-in heat sink is a nice feature.
Something like that could replace most of the non gaming and video editing aspects of my main computer. Given the BIOS features I'd guess it's possible to have Windows 10 on say the internal memory, and Linux on an internal micro SD, and chose which OS you would like to boot into? The price point is higher than what would inspire an immediate purchase from me, but that little board makes me excited.
You are exactly right -- this thing is far more flexible than most SBCs, and you can install an OS on the onboard, eMMC, an SD card, a USB drive (not a bad option as USB 3.0), a SATA drive, or an M.2 SSD. So having WIndows on the eMMC (I will try that in the next video) and Linux on a Micro SD is perfectly possible.
That is certainly a viable option. Juste remeber if you DO set up a dual-boot Windows/Linux system that you must install Windows FIRST! This is because Windows install program cannot detect if other flavours of O/S'es are already present, but Linux CAN. (Or maybe newer versions of Windos can, i don't know for certain, it was just the case about 10 years ago when i tried out some sort of Linux - Red Hat or something like that).
I have probably answered this criticism 20 times now! :) The fan is indeed blowing up, but the supplied fan DOES NOT FIT (safely) the other way up, as it has no shielding on that side. Some airflow will still be drawn through the views.
Thanks. I don't do anywhere near as much programming as I used to. Though I have been thinking of doing a series of videos on Python, so maybe I should make that happen! A good starting point for you could be: www.learnpython.org/
Hey there from ireland. Got a question for you. I wanna build a touch screen juke box, and looking at this,would it be a good unit to use or would I be better with ryzen 3
Yes -- and no. The fan is indeed pulling air upwards. But the way it is made, it fits that way, but not the other (at least there is no protection on top of it with the fan blowing downwards). And all airflow is good! :)
Thanks for this information, which is far more interesting than you may realize. RUclips have flagged this video as inapproprite for some reason. And that may well be it! :)
Anwar Bigfat oops, I didn't realize that! Never been heard such a word 😂😂😂😂😂😂 why? (But I am Indonesian but not Javanese enough because from Jakarta) I think the board is capable of playing Hentai in Unreal...
Thank you, sir, for your continued effort on letting us know about new products that we NEED to have. So many project, so little time, so little spare money!
Well done initial review ... looking forward to updates.
Just found your channel last week. It's excellent--thank you for making and posting these types of videos. Incredibly helpful!
Glad you found the channel! :) A new video every Sunday! :)
Got the UDOO today, and it's very nice. Still working to get an OS installed. I got the Orange Pi+ 2E yesterday--and it's a very nice unit as well. I installed Armbian straight away, and had it up & running in about 30 minutes or so. But the UDOO looks amazing--can't wait to get an OS installed!
well that's really good , one of the best boards , which can do all kinds of stuff. when it is connected to SSD , it increases it's functionality exponentially. Good board , for beginners as well as for geeks , like you.
A great piece of hard ware but it's price makes me think you should try it against a full size motherboard and processor of similar value.
Now that is a great suggestion! :)
A year back I bought a little i3 6100U based PC from China, was around US$300 with Win 10 Pro N, 8GB and 128GB SSD, dual band wifi etc in a fanless case, has been running as a security cam server for almost a year now without a glitch, although it does auto reboot at midnight to keep things running as fast as possible, but that never fails either, so pretty happy with these lower cost machines. Hard to justify the Udoo when you can buy a complete PC with similar specs for less once SSD etc is added to the Udoo cost. BTW, link is www.aliexpress.com/item/Pre-sale-Limited-Qty-Skylake-Mini-PC-Core-i7-6500U-i5-6200U-i3-6100U-Intel-HD/32705619815.html
Edit: Also forgot to mention it has space for real HDDs in the case and dual SATA connectors on board (but only one power connector). So, with a low profile right-angle SATA cable, a Silverstone ultra thin SATA cable (SST-CP11B-300), SATA power cable and a SATA power cable splitter, I managed to shoehorn in dual 1TB 2.5" drives as well.
The main cost is the VERY expensive M.2 HD. It will set you back hundreds which is as much as you would pay for everything else so it doubles the price.
It's kind of left the Raspberry pi concept behind & just become a mini pc with an Arduino unit chucked in. If you're going down that road then go the full hog & have a mini pc board in a case with its outlets, hdmi usb etc. Then have a builders board area, on top, where you can plug in a Mega 2560. This can have connections to the mini pc below so you can connect the 2560 to the internet, wifi & Bluetooth etc.
+ExplainingComputers you have to be one of my favorite people on RUclips
Thanks!
This guy gets it. 👌👍
The single board computer race is on! I'm am rather new to this and glad, I found your channel. Thank You, sir.
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Wow! This is a really nice looking board so far! So much connectivity and power at a reasonable price!
Your video encouraged me to buy the exact model of Udoo and I don't regret a penny spent on it. I installed an Elementary OS on this baby and it easily became my main workstation for Internet, entertainment and some hobby electronic and software projects. The fact that it's Intel based not only makes it faster, but gives access to a greater software base. And it still fits into a (coat) pocket :)
Great news. The UDOOx86 AP is a great little board. I really must take a look at Elementary OS on the channel at some point. :)
The part where Christopher was installing the M.2 devices, so satisfying.
UDOO: an excellent example of Italian genius in terms of desing! (I love returning to your old video publications; they remain as relevant!)
Another great video, thanks for keeping us up to date on these super neat single boards.
A good option for someone like me who is really into the single board market right now thanks again for the amazing video.
This is the SBC I have been waiting for. Been wanting one to run various game servers, but needed one with more than 4gb of ram. Just add a m.2 drive and 3d print a case, and I'm ready to setup a server for my friends.
Thanks for this Chris! Looking forward to the benchmarks. I have been seriously considering the Ultra for audio work (live fx, sequencing and sample playback) simply because of form factor and the grunt it seems to have.
Thank you!
I really like this motherboard. It's pretty powerful for it's size, SSD support and wireless ect. Totally awesome!
HOLY SHIT, the nerd in me almost came when I heard all of the features it has!
DEFINITELY will get one, probably the Ultra!
I had a nerdgasm! Wow, this thing is really cool. Nice video.
Herbert Neal They were till you barged in and took up a seat to watch. Now I'm here, they might as well put some clothes on.
More money than brains?
....what even for, its garbage, you have one in the computer you are using right now
+Herbert Neal I never thought I would see a day when someone else on RUclips had a Crow.T.Robot avatar. To find you also on ExplainingComputers channel cannot be serendipity. The chances of two people liking a middle aged man talking about computers in the style of the OU, and also liking the same character in a cult American comedy that invented it's self a new genre yet never gained mainstream appeal? This is too weird! Surely?
Are you trying to steal my identity and wear my face as your own? Is this a cruel joke from a pernicious God? What could be capable of such chicanery?........Who am I?..............What is self?
Looks like a great board with many capabilities. Finally with both Sata and USB3.
Awesome! These are my favorite features of any SBC to date! Because that heatsink is so tall, I think you should be able to mount an SSD on the top of the case, and most certainly the bare board of one would fit! I think it would be a great mounting spot, and make the rest of it more uniform as opposed to having a mountain of a cooler popping out on one side lol :D
Hi Chris. Great video, as always, but I am beginning to wonder whether these boards are simply becoming another form factor for motherboards, rather than something distinct from the PC standard.
This certainly appears to be happening. You wonder how long it will be before we see a Mini-ITX, Pico-ITX or Nano-ITX board with Arduino pin or its own GPIO implementation.
SoCs/SBCs have distinct advantages in terms of power consumption - I mean, consider the Raspberry Pi - it can be an great little wordprocessing, social media and media platform - and it consumes less than 2A (10W) of power - no traditional PC can ever be this power efficient.
This move to x86 processors indicates to me that we are heading towards a post-*TX motherboard world quite quickly. This may simply be the result of electronic evolution, but it also brings concerns over the future expandability of general computing, for the PC standard has always embraced the possibility of future upgrades, for, say, enhancing graphics or increasing memory capacity. Are we heading quickly towards the "throw away" PC?
ExplainingComputers I was about to say that!
+ExplainingComputers That is a very interesting notion; if i live long enough* to see such boards emerge (and become affordable enough) i would definitely consider getting one.*At age 63 and with somewhat bad health, you never know... ;)
stillfindingmyway the thing with upgrading a PC, is that components become obsolete so quickly. Say you want to upgrade your CPU after a couple of years. Its very likely that your current socket became deprecated and you'll need a new motherboard and probably RAM too. That's much more to throw away then such a small single board computer. And there's not really any incentive to give those old pc components a second life, because a case, HD and supply are bulky and too expensive for this purpose. An old single board computer however, can always be given a second life, needing nothing but a 5V supply.
Ok that's device is cool, I think that one may become a market leader because it has fewer restrictions that other single board computers and another great video again
I think they added every possibility to this board good info thanks
You're an awesome bloke. I enjoy the videos you produce.
Another great video from you mate, great to watch and full of useful information. Makes me want to buy one and tinker with it mself
That alternative theme at 8:25 is sick! It actually gave me a Micro Men vibe.
Oh please a series of videos that would be great thanx for the link
Can't wait for Lattepanda and udoo x86. FInally sata and m.2 on a single board!
Not going to lie, if I could use this for general-purpose stuff without the need to run my main comp (which seems to double as an effective space heater even when idle - not fun during the summer), I'd probably buy one as soon as I could afford it. Can't say I'm a fan (no pun) of a case that leaves the heatsink sticking out like a sore thumb, though.
Yes, this is crying out for an enclosed case.
So do as I did and make your own. Mine is made of balsa sheet reinforced and decorated with flat and round bamboo skewers.
That computer is more powerful than the computer I'm using right now!
Another superb video. Thanks, Chris.
Very interesting, you cannot do too many SBC videos. They have certainly come a long way since I started. The first SBC I got was a LEEN SBC, M6809 based with about 4K of RAM, a PIA and SIO! Bob
When I saw this board, I immediately started to think of a 3D-printed case that would hold the board, a 2.5" SATA drive, a tiny ventilation fan, those two small WiFi antenna boards and some front-panel I/O connected through that front-panel I/O connectror that the board has, it could be a nice 'Green PC'(especially with the UDOO x86 Ultra)
I so totally agree! It needs some files on Thingiverse for just that kind of case.
www.thingiverse.com/search?q=UDOO+x86&sa=&dwh=5759916654134c2
Yes, it only uses few watts. I forget how many but a fraction of the amount of laptop or PC but more then a smart phone.
Actually the acrylic case is even able to hold a 2.5" SSD ;-) I have it running since months like this :-) There are 4 screw holes on the oppsite side of the CPU. These 4 holes are there to mount a 2.5" drive. The short cables are meant for this anyway.
Congratulations to UDOO for reinventing the desktop computer.
Looks rather interesting, it can be defined as "Portable Desktop" because seems powerful and portable enough without being a real laptop while keeping a huge amount of connectivity. Should work well has a traveler/conference/hotel/multimedia PC.
I like your phrase "portable desktop". :)
ExplainingComputers If there is a way to attach a touchscreen and battery to it it could be a pretty good tablet board :)
Well actually looking at that heat sink + cooling fan stacked together maybe it wouldn't work so good as a tablet board after all, that thing is pretty tall with all that stuff on
It comes with ports for both but you would need to build your own case. Last I checked no one was making real cases for it.
Yes, it is several inches thick unlike a Pine or Pi3. Tons of heat.
Comparing with LattePanda which already comes with W10 it really depends on the connectivity for me. The SATA port and 3x USB 3 and SSD option are very attractive indeed.
I have both the Celeron N3160 and the Atom X8500 CPU , and the Atom is definitely a lot slower!
about as slow as the Celeron running at power saving mode (peaking in at 1,6Ghz, mostly idling around 400Mhz, with occasional 1,2Ghz upclocking when the program requires it.
The Celeron N3160 suffers most from this CPU scaling effect, when in powersaving, or balanced mode. In High Performance mode, it'll idle at 800Mhz, but upclock to 2,1Ghz with the slightest activity (above 10% CPU), and lag is not really noticed.
The atom X8500 is good for basic stuff, and very energy efficient. Great for small home based servers, running chatroom or bittorrent software on. The Celeron N3160, with decent cooling, is doing awesome at just about everything including retro gaming of up to DX9 games at a resolution of up to 1080p, or more modern DX11 games at up to 480pix (sadly most DX11 games require 720p or above).
The Celeron does feel very smooth, and can run Audio software with almost no latency, only in high power mode (running at almost a constant 2,14Ghz).
Just in case you'd be wondering what probably would have been the difference between the Advanced, and the basic one.
I just wished they provided mounting screws, to mount this board in a 3.5" drive slot, or even mount it under a 3.5" Blueray player (or harddrive). A lot of 2.5" harddrives and 3.5" CD/DVD/Blueray-ROM players, have mounting pins on the bottom, providing excellent protection to create a complete PC at a size just a tad larger than a drive.
Great info -- thanks for sharing here. :)
How annoying, glad mine is the Advanced. Now if they just sent the rest of it.
Very nice..interesting little desktop/SBC
I have recently kicked Window$ to the curb and put Ubuntu MATE on my computer...sure I loose some things, but my machine that is limited to 4GB of RAM is once again fast and snappy. For $165, probably not a bad setup and being so small might be able to be mounted to the back of a decent monitor to create a "all in one" type build
Definitely want to see some stress tests/burn in and to see how well it can process say "Seti @ home/BOINC" packets
Great review..keep em coming!
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Very interesting SBC. I buy one after seeing this video for GBP 57 from eBay.
That is a good price, it is a nice SBC.
Thanks for the video! This seems like a very good SBC
Always enjoyable to open a package like that...the crinkle screams I am in pristine condition.
One of my cats loves to munch on crinkling plastic.
Well done !!! To the 85 who thumbs down aaaaa why? This video was very thorough and covered the board in 15 Minutes !!!!
I could see this implemented into automotive media applications. Excellent potential for mobile computing.
The Arduino part of the board will be very handy for off loading sensor data processing for my weather station.
At this price wifi should already be included ;-;
They do not even include the screws to assemble it! Udoo is a turd of a company!
Israel Jauregui I sort of agree, but then again the less potentislly shady and low support Chinese drivers the better.
WiFi in built-in but only 802.11 N not AC, but the upgrade board is only $16 as I recall and upgrade Bluetooth from 4.0 to 4.2 and adds antenna ports so it is worth it. Still all this should have been built-in instead with an eventual Bluetooth 5.0 module later on.
Wow, I want the Udoo-Ultra with pentium core!
I think this board is more intended for the extremely space constrained or power constrained folks. If you have the space for a normal small form factor PC it may be better to hunt down the used market for parts, as for the same cost you may get more performance out of it. For example an LGA775 server motherboard, an LGA775 quad core Xeon, 8GB of DDR2 ECC memory and a mid tier used graphics card together comes in the same price as this board, likely performs better, but will occupy more space and draw more power. Since server parts are built to last, the used server build will last as long as a new Udoo.
That alternate theme tune in the middle killed me.
finally a semi powerful x86 single board computer...I can put this to good use, probably will get the x86 ultra tho.
Chris please get Udoo Bolt and do a review about it. It seems that Bolt is going to be something big and important. It would be awesome to see the first review of Udoo Bolt from you.
I have been promised an UDOO Bolt early (probably early December 2018). Meanwhile, I will be looking at a LattePanda Alpha here in early October. :)
Very nice indeed! I'm actually looking at the ultra, the specs are quiet impressive. :D
The old explaining computers music 8:26 so nostalgic
Although it is actually a slightly different mix . . . :)
How many variations on the theme have you composed? Are they all in the key of F? Very well-honed presentation style. Thoroughly enjoyable!
ExplainingComputers how many versions of that song is there?
Great video! Was quite curious about the UDOO x86. Any plans on doing a review on the Rock64?
Interesting project would be a good use case study
Very Nice and usefull.
Thanks for all
Serge
With peripherals attached, it's a proper little computer.
Use this for a week as your daily driver like you've done in the past - OK? Also, I was going to say you didn't give the speed of the wifi (bgn a/c) or the version of the HDMI, but I know now that you didn't say because they don't even say (I went to their website). Still, it's nice and excellent video on your part as always.
how many raspberry pi 3s put together equal to this? in terms of Processing in real world.
Udoo claim that the board is ten times more powerful than a Raspberry Pi 3. I think that overstating things, but is it probably as powerful as 4 or 5 Raspberry Pis in real world situations. I intend to run some tests and report back! :)
You should compare it to 5 stacked together RPis!
Nah, I'm kidding. But speaking or Pis, I saw the other day some aluminium cases for it, which they claim, act as a heatsink. Have you tried any of that, Chris?
In short: will it run Crysis? ;)
I do have a Pi 3 inside an aluminum case (a Kodi FLIRC case to be exact) and it does act as a heatsink. The case does get pretty warm, especially when decoding HD video.
It probably would run Crysis. Question is, how fast ?
2:23 NO, NO!! That PCB corner to the left! 😱 My OCD kicks in with full effect... 😩
3:23 Thank God! That was a terrible experience.
Seems like you could mount the thing with some VESA screws to the back of a TV or display at first glance. Mind comparing the size of the board's screws at the corners with the VESA standard and seeing if they're on par?
I'm not sure about this SBC. For a little more money than the board and all the peripherals needed to get a complete system, I could buy a chromebook or even a cheap laptop with a Core i3 CPU.
By the time you add a display and a keyboard, batteries, descent memory and a case to make it portable, is that then just called a laptop or note book?
OMG. I so want one! Is this the only small form x86-64 board on the market? UPDATE: opps, answered in the last part of the vid. Latte Panda - too many small boards, forget what they are). yes please. head to head benchmarks. :)
Gracias!!! Saludos desde España.
Looks like a good board for MAME or a pinball cabinet especially with that Arduino stuff going on!
Hey Christopher great video. How does this compare to the Odroid XU4 ? I'm looking for a good power-efficient single board computer to use as a small webserver and NAS and the SATA port apart from all that m.2 goodness is especially alluring. I saw it's about 5 times faster than a raspi3 but the raspi isn't a particularly powerful sbc so i would be interested to see how it compares to some of the beastier sbcs like the xu4. Cheers
Thanks for this. :) It sounds to me like you may well like an Odroid HC1 or HC2. These are special versions of an XU4, but with a SATA connected (power and data) and designed to mount either a 2.5" or 3.5" drive on the board. So designed to build a server/NAS. I review them in this video here: ruclips.net/user/edit?o=U&video_id=AtHzhtkxIc8 In terms of other NAS comparions, look at this video where I build a NAS with four SBCs, including the UDOOx86 AP and a Pi 3: ruclips.net/video/jsCgXQjaviM/видео.html The UDOO wins (it really is a great board with fantastic flexibility), but other boards -- eg a Rock64 -- offer better value. Good Luck with your build!
ExplainingComputers thanks!
The size and price of these things is quickly getting into game console territory. If I got an Ultra for $267, I'd expect it to come with a nice case.
I'd like to see how it performs running windows. Still, this is the most interesting single board computer I've seen. I'm likely to purchase one myself.
I will be running Windows on it, with benchmarks, in the follow-up video. Currently slated for 3 September.
That will be interesting. Thank you.
I will be looking forward to that video as well! :D
I love his matter of fact personality, funny.
Lol good old technology. I have just spent hours cramming a mini stx motherboard into the frame of a tandy FD1400 laptop... I totally would of went with the Udoo advanced ultra in leu of the pentium 4600 i have currently crammed in there. Thanks for these videos Chris, even when they show me how by waiting 2 months could have saved me a few days of work, cheers.
Sorry about that . . . technology keeps marching on! :)
Its all good, worst case on this being a far more powerful CPU used and ddr4 ram. I'll just have to keep this in mind when i next do a similer project.
Very nice review - thanks. Did Linux Mint boot that quickly, or did you speed up that part of the video?
this is an excellent video and this looks like a superb small computer. I find myself wondering why I would want one as it seems to be edging up towards the smaller ITX boards. I also have lots of old P4 motherboards lying around which would suffice for many tasks. Granted they couldn't run 3 monitors maybe. The advantage of something like the PI is that it's so cheap and has everything onboard, this computer is more powerful but it's like a mini PC and can be quite expensive once the add on peripherals are included. Powerful and small it is though, no doubt.
You are spot-on here. This is a great mini-PC, but a very different thing to a Pi.
I might buy one of these to goof around with, not this month though as I'm saving for a new cell phone.
ty for the video i have the x86 advanced and love it thus far its small enough for me to put ontop of my tool chest and have the screen recessed into the top for aircraft maint work , that and it is nice to have something NOT made in china but Italy ( even tho its a US company )
I look forward to seeing if Linus can make this thing run Tomb Raider.
Tbc (that be 😎)
was just about to suggest a latte panda comparison before i saw the end of the video hope you compare both linux and win 10 on these boards
And just today, (I'm being serious it's scary), I was thinking, in the future small board computers will be so much more powerful then they are now, and run Windows, Linux, etc. and here we are with an SBC running a Celeron Processor, 4GB DDR3 Memory, Wifi, m.2 SSD, Linux Mint, and... UH! that was quick!
Technology moves so fast! :)
The CPU could be more powerful or the Ultra could be a lot cheaper. 60 FPS next time too.
Hey Christopher, I was just wondering if you knew how high the board is? (from base of the board to top of heat sink). Haven't been able to find a datasheet with this info! Thank you!
From the base of the M.2 connector (the lowest point) to the top of the fan (highest point) is abput 35mm. That's about 8.5mm below the PCB, about a 2mm PCB, and the rest above.
Thank you for the prompt reply. Looking to make a laptop using this board but that's a little too high :S. RPi 3 fits so maybe I'll go with that but would love more power!
Nice , May pick up the N3710 version to replace the Pico ITX I have with a N3150 , they run win 10 really well .
Hello, interesting videos as always. Been watching your videos before buying new boards for my personal experiments as well. What was the total cost of the whole UDOO x86 Advance Plus setup that appeared on this video (case, wifi, SSD, etc). Thanks
As impressive of a SBC as it is, once one adds all the extra bits to make it a functioning computer, I wonder how it would compare to standard computers of a similar price. As SBCs get larger and more expensive, they may start to lose any advantages over standard computing offerings already on the market. With that being said, SBCs haven't lost their appeal for me yet. I look forward to your next look at this product!
Thanks Mr John Lennon
:)
that was a very interesting video, thanks
From what I understand transcoding with plex requires an x86 cpu. UDOO is supposed to be a good plex server with transcoding.
_"Yes! I just purchased an Udoo board to do this after having really maxed out my Odroid. I can easily run 2-3 streams converting 1080p 10Mbs files to 1.5Mbps 480p on the fly. Sync conversions run between 6-10x real time."_
www.udoo.org/forum/threads/support-for-intel-quick-sync-plex-hardware-transcoding.15498/
A review of the ULTRA version would be very attractive...
I am planning to build a handheld Linux based device with a sliding keyboard, which would be the most powerful and power efficient board that I could fit in a hand held form factor?
You will always have a tension between powerful and power efficient! A Raspberry Pi Zero W is very power efficient, but a board like this is far more powerful. A Pi 3 remains an excellent compromise. It just depends how much power you need.
Thank you! My initial choice was a Pi 3. I will research a bit more before settling on it!
Well Sir Chris, As always I was impressed with your recommendation of the UD00 x86 Advance PLUS. Yes a bit pricey. but so is the ROCKPRO64 once you add all the components. However, I thing the UD00 x86 Advance PLUS gives me more connection capability as you mentioned. What confuses me on that is there is a SATA port on the board but also optional SATA cable and power cord. Would that allow 2 SATA iii SSD WD drives to be attached? also,, they reference the M2 board you mounted as being available on their site but didn't find it. I opened a ticket asking for assistance in locating it. I would prefer to load OS on the M2 as you did. I will check out that version of OS Linux/Mint I believe you mentioned and read up on it. I need to assure it has a good spreadsheet package with it. and both the document and spread sheets are portable to windows document and spreadsheet programs. I am eagerly looking for your ROCKPRO64 video. However the FORUM board people say it is too early in release cycle to buy as they are still working out bugs. I was going to connect usb3 to sata cables x2 and my spare 500gb drives. however the UDOO seems more suited for those 2 SATA III SSD drives and use M2 card. THE DECISION WILL BE PRICE AFTER ADDING UP ALL COMPONENTS FOR EACH and getting a final price for each.SO SORRY AGAIN TO RAMBLE ON! I AM JUST EXCITED! YOU ARE DEFINITELY PURE QUAITY IN Y9UR VIDEO PRESENTATIONS OVER THE OTHERS COMPETING. YOUR IN DEPTH KNOWLEDGE AND METHOD OF EXPLAINING TO ALL VIEWERS THE PRODUCTS ARE ON SPOT!BE SURE AND HAVE A COMPETITION BETWEEN UDOO AND ROCKPRO CONNECTING 2 SSDs AND PERFORMANCE!IF YOU EVER COME TO USA. HEAD TO ATLANTA GA.. LET ME KNOW IN ADVANCE! I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN A SEMINAR OR JUST MEET YOU IN PERSON.
The SATA cable is for one drive and has the standard SATA data connectors, but a less common power connector at the board end.
Great video. Thanks
Cool! How do you think it compares to the LattePanda Alpha and Delta on Kickstarter?
I suspect the new LattePandas will be great machines -- I've been promised hardware as soon as it is available. The Alpha should be more powerful than the current top UDOOx86. Interesting times.
ExplainingComputers Great! Thanks. Such power in such a small size...it enables a ton of possibilities! I'm thinking of getting one and checking if we can get our BlissROMs.com Android desktop ROM to work on it. If you want, you can try it on your Udoo-x86 too, our lead developer Jon has ported it to that:
www.udoo.org/docs-x86/Software_&_OS_Distro/Android.html
forum.xda-developers.com/bliss-roms/bliss-roms-development/x86-bliss-x86-pc-s-t3534657
Needs more support to build for mobile applications.
The RV community is looking for built-in motorhome computers just like the built-in audio video system.
I LIKE THIS ONE!
At your behest and suggestion (thank you).
The Udoo website shows four x86 boards, the Ultra (8 GB DDR3), Advanced Plus (4 GB DDR3), Advanced (4 GB DDR3) and Basic (2 GB DDR3), but when I go to look at the Basic, the page isn't available. The Ultra is very expensive, $267, Advanced Plus $174, but no prices on the other two.
It's too bad. They have a lot of features I need, but they've priced themselves out of my market with features I don't need. 2.00 GHz is more than I need, and 2 GB DDR3 is plenty.
Digikey (my favorite store in the world, after Radio Shack, and maybe Mouser) has it for $135, but they don't tell whether this is an obsolete part, which they would normally show. Still kinda pricey just to get that extra video port. It's MinDP port, so you need an adapter (I don't know what sort of video display has this - I think it's Mac-based).
The built-in heat sink is a nice feature.
Something like that could replace most of the non gaming and video editing aspects of my main computer. Given the BIOS features I'd guess it's possible to have Windows 10 on say the internal memory, and Linux on an internal micro SD, and chose which OS you would like to boot into? The price point is higher than what would inspire an immediate purchase from me, but that little board makes me excited.
You are exactly right -- this thing is far more flexible than most SBCs, and you can install an OS on the onboard, eMMC, an SD card, a USB drive (not a bad option as USB 3.0), a SATA drive, or an M.2 SSD. So having WIndows on the eMMC (I will try that in the next video) and Linux on a Micro SD is perfectly possible.
That is certainly a viable option. Juste remeber if you DO set up a dual-boot Windows/Linux system that you must install Windows FIRST! This is because Windows install program cannot detect if other flavours of O/S'es are already present, but Linux CAN. (Or maybe newer versions of Windos can, i don't know for certain, it was just the case about 10 years ago when i tried out some sort of Linux - Red Hat or something like that).
The FAN was mounted wrong. It doesn't blow air to heatsink. All in all, awesome video, as always.
I have probably answered this criticism 20 times now! :) The fan is indeed blowing up, but the supplied fan DOES NOT FIT (safely) the other way up, as it has no shielding on that side. Some airflow will still be drawn through the views.
Another great video keep them coming oh do u do much programming I want to learn python just don't where to start any advice :)
Thanks. I don't do anywhere near as much programming as I used to. Though I have been thinking of doing a series of videos on Python, so maybe I should make that happen! A good starting point for you could be: www.learnpython.org/
I was thinking to buy a LP... and then this UDOO thing :D
Can you please do benchmark agencies the Asus tinker bord and the Udoo x86?
Hey there from ireland. Got a question for you. I wanna build a touch screen juke box, and looking at this,would it be a good unit to use or would I be better with ryzen 3
It depends how much power you need. This would certainly run a jukebox.
you put the cooler fan upside down ... nice job on all the others , nice little computer
Yes -- and no. The fan is indeed pulling air upwards. But the way it is made, it fits that way, but not the other (at least there is no protection on top of it with the fan blowing downwards). And all airflow is good! :)
did you benchmarked both positions to see which is better for cooling this device ?
Udoo in Javanese Indonesia means Naked
Thanks for this information, which is far more interesting than you may realize. RUclips have flagged this video as inapproprite for some reason. And that may well be it! :)
So you know what to wear when working with it!
Anwar Bigfat oops, I didn't realize that! Never been heard such a word 😂😂😂😂😂😂 why? (But I am Indonesian but not Javanese enough because from Jakarta)
I think the board is capable of playing Hentai in Unreal...
Anwar Bigfat I think the board is capable of playing Hentai, in Unreal Engine...
Joel Robert Justiawan I cant get erection on 2D.
Have you tested the omega 2?
It's a full Linux computer but extremely small.