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  • Опубликовано: 16 янв 2025

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  • @shadowsinsomniacs9943
    @shadowsinsomniacs9943 8 лет назад +2

    Another well done video :)
    I use my Lattepanda (4GB/64GB version) mainly for media playback on mt TV, so it works fine without any changes.
    But I hate devices getting too hot, so I tried putting those mini copper heatsinks on (with the shield removed)...It was quite a bit better.
    So I took them off, put the shield back on and completely covered the bottom shield with mini copper heatsinks, turned the unit upside down (in wooden case) and put a USB powered 120mm fan on top blowing down onto the copper heatsinks...much better.
    I ran furmark and prime95 for 8 hours, temps never went over 80c and CPU/GPU stayed at max frequency the whole time.
    Note that it was pretty warm here and no aircon, the ambient temps while testing was 30-32c.
    Before adding fan and copper heatsinks the unit would reach high 80s and throttle down under 1ghz.

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      +Shadow's Insomniacs
      Thanks!
      I probably should have mentioned the ambient room temperature, but at the time it was around 25C, (a very cool summer day in Oz).
      I'm tempted to check out the DFRobot fan that was used, but I won't make a video on it. Or maybe I'll run several updates of SBCs into one video.

  • @stryk187
    @stryk187 8 лет назад +1

    Wow! That SBC is just starved for some active cooling. That doesn't seem like something they would have overlooked or missed during ANY sort of competent product testing. I really must assume they knew active cooling would make all the difference, I wonder why they opted to leave it out of their final product? Huge mistake, IMO. I know there are a myriad of reasons that come into play here such as BOM costs, production, design, certifications, etc. -- but still, if they were smart enough to basically invent their own unique SBC, then they ought to be smart enough to see that their chosen CPU is just begging for active cooling. Very strange. Great review and I really like how you go back and update the reviews on your channel. Well done sir!

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад +1

      +stryk187
      My thoughts exactly. They *would have* known about the thermal requirements of this CPU. It was probably a rush job, or a good up on their part.

  • @marshalcraft
    @marshalcraft 8 лет назад +1

    Would love to see how easy it is to use the 2 i2c serial pins on the board. Not the Arduino ones with all the gpio but the ones direct to atom?

  • @GnuReligion
    @GnuReligion 8 лет назад +2

    There exist penny-sized 5v 0.1amp brushless fans, that may *almost* keep your CPU temp under control with a little glue-on heat sink. Works well for my Pi 3.

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      Yup, there's a lot around. I'll be running a review of those on a couple of SBCs next year.

  • @Core-Electronics
    @Core-Electronics 8 лет назад +1

    Nice review Mick!
    One thing that we're contending with is that the LattePanda 2/32GB with Windows 10 "activated" is incredibly hard to get hold of. The elusive "Pre-Order" state hasn't changed for a couple of months and it's a little missleading IMHO. So you're up for a Windows 10 activation on top of the USD89+postage; which places this board somewhere in the deep-pockets zone.
    With that said, we're loving our LattePanda's. The functionality (especailly with the neat ways you can use the onboard Arduino) make it an intersting go-to for adhoc projects. Quick tip Mick - these are working quite well for active cooling coreelec.io/2a

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад +1

      +Core Electronics
      Yes I'm meaning to test that fan and compare it the other heatsink types.

  • @bleachie
    @bleachie 7 лет назад +1

    I would like to see a 3d printable mount for a desktop fan cooler. There are so many stock Intel coolers laying around, and they should be able to cool this thing no problem.

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  7 лет назад

      Yup, would be a good use for them

  • @WhiteWulfe
    @WhiteWulfe 8 лет назад +1

    First and foremost, I didn't mind my comment being used in the video at all ^_^
    Secondly, I'm rather glad to see just how much of a reduction one sees to temperatures with active cooling, and I love how it was an older Zalman cooler used in the video. Interesting to see the power consumption go up another 600mA overall with the cooler, and the 2.3x overall boost to performance as such shows just how much the board is throttling with the stock setup. Like others, I'm curious as to how it would handle watercooling for a full on pretty much 24/7 100% load, but at the same time I suspect that such isn't an aim of this product, not to mention the fact you probably wouldn't be able to fit a "standard or traditional" north bridge (or the really tiny core only universal GPU) water block onto this board, especially since there are no mounting points. Sure, there's thermal adhesive but that's kind of permanent.
    I also didn't realize just how competitive the $149 USD price bracket is for x86 SBC's.... There's the LattePanda 4G/64GB, UPboard's 4G/64GB, and UDOO's upcoming x86 Advanced, and then probably a bunch more that are forthcoming over the next little while too.
    It's definitely a nice looking board though, although I do wish they'd offer a Windows 10 pre-loaded version for the 4GB/64GB variant ^_^

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад +2

      +White Wulfe
      It is a nice board. If they had only put a better heatsink on. That was a *bad* decision on their part. Really bad. If they had done a better job it'd have been the go to board.
      If someone comes up with a case with inbuilt active cooling it'd be a winner!

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад +2

      +White Wulfe
      Oh BTW you would've seen my replies to other comments about water cooling. That old Zalman was still cold. So even with overclocking it'd be enough.

    • @WhiteWulfe
      @WhiteWulfe 8 лет назад

      Indeed I have, and I definitely agree that anything more than "regular" air cooling would be more than enough. I think the biggest reason why I'm contemplating watercooling a few single board computers is that I have this semi-crazy BOINC and Folding@Home rig idea centered around two E5-2690v4 Xeons and four graphics cards (currently thinking Asus Strix GTX 1070's)..... As well as sneaking in several SBC's (at present, thought is 2x UDOO x86 Ultras, and 4x ODROID C2's, but of course by the time that phase of the project comes about there could very well be better solutions on the market), and since watercooling will be in place for the graphics cards and Xeons in the case all of this will be put into anyways, it doesn't feel as "overkill" to repurpose a few north bridge waterblocks.
      Or in short, I've had this grand idea for this insane rig to help out with various distributed computing research projects and I'm lumping it all in with the desire to build a dedicated audio/djing rig, the fact I've wanted to do a watercooled computer for 15 years, and take on some sort of higher end case project that will have better results than my first case mod years ago could ever dream of. Sure it's a grandiose project that's seen six major revisions over the past year while I've been planning it (and probably will see a dozen more by the time I've paid for the case I'll be going with), but in some ways I really like the idea of spending 1.5-2 years working on such a large project that checks off so many boxes on the wishlist that have been there for a long time. Oh, and I'd wind up putting less stress on my gaming rig by doing such too ^_^;;;;;;;;;;
      But then again, I've always had somewhat of a heavy interest in distributed computing for various types of research, having been on and off with Folding@Home since 2003, and switched to BOINC as my "main" distributed computing platform back in 2014 due to the wider variety of projects, but I still run Folding@Home on a semi-regular basis ^_^
      Are single board computers the best way to follow my goals? Not really, as while they win out on power consumption there's all the cables to deal with, and regular desktop processors are noticeably more powerful when compared individually, and when you factor in costs it only takes a few SBC's to get into the same cost realm as older Xeon setups.. But it sure is a lot easier to "sneak" several of them into a single case alongside an SSI-EEB motherboard for additional processing power. My original idea for the rig was two 2P E5-2670v1 (SR0KX due to virtualization being functional) setups, but kept running into difficulties with sticking to that build idea's theme, as well as keeping it all contained within a single case that would look well within my living room (the joys of living in a small place).
      My apologies, didn't mean to leave a long reply here ^_^;;;;

  • @DFROBOTCN
    @DFROBOTCN 7 лет назад +1

    you could get the lattepanda here: www.dfrobot.com/product-1405.html

    • @Kuba-0040
      @Kuba-0040 7 лет назад

      DFRobot can You please if ever You would build a 'latte panda 2' give it a better heatsink right from the start.
      Thank You

  • @Jazz3006
    @Jazz3006 7 лет назад +1

    Did you ever happen to have a method for starting and stopping the fan with the power button? I plug in an unplug mine every time, but it's annoying.

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  7 лет назад

      Alas no. However, you could use the ATmega to do this easily enough... along with a simple FET circuit.

    • @Jazz3006
      @Jazz3006 7 лет назад +1

      Yea, it's just a crap way to have to do it, and IIRC, the ATmega runs all the time

  • @bleachie
    @bleachie 7 лет назад +1

    What is that purple stuff on the CPU that you removed with the needle nose pliers? It ripped when I was taking the back plate, and I would like to know if it is thermally conductive.

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  7 лет назад

      Yes, it is thermal tape that came off fairly easily, but you can't tug it too hard as it'll rip.

  • @allwinnerh3170
    @allwinnerh3170 8 лет назад +1

    Where can i buy the heatsink ?

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      +Allwinner H3
      I bought this one many years ago and never used it until now. You can pick them up from your local PC shop.

    • @allwinnerh3170
      @allwinnerh3170 8 лет назад

      +MickMake Yeah i get some similar Heatsinks and i want to put this on my Orange Pi (whese Board get so hot i toucht the processor and it was so hot it was painfull ) but where are so many capasitors coils ic and many other thing around the soc so i cant put these heatsink on the board. And other heatsinks like the one from my raspberry are ridiculous small.

  • @eyesofnova
    @eyesofnova 8 лет назад +1

    Could you have just put the pc heatsink ontop of the heatspreader using some thermal paste instead of removing it?

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад +1

      +EyesofNova
      I could have, but wanted to make sure I had good contact with the sink and the chips. I didn't know how good the thermal wafers were.
      I think the DFrobot active fan just plonks on the heat spreader.

  • @ioanpaulpirau
    @ioanpaulpirau 8 лет назад +1

    Great Video! I also made a mod by adding a heatsink+fan, switched power settings to high power and run the same benchmark. The top temperature was 53 degrees on Core 1 but all other tems are below 50 degrees C. Even if I stress test the board temperatures stay well below 60 degrees. However I got a much wors score than your cooling mod in GFX Bench: 10.2 - Car Chase, 14.5 - Manhattan 3.1, 18 - Manhattan, 32.7 - TRex and so on. I am using an old monitor with the resolution of 1280x1024 and I was wondering what resolution you used for the tests. Thanks.

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад +1

      +Ioan-Paul Pirau
      Great to see your test results. I used 1280x1024 res. I also killed all processes that were redundant.
      If you're using Armbian it'll often kick off an update via cron. So killing cron will fix that.

    • @ioanpaulpirau
      @ioanpaulpirau 8 лет назад +1

      Thanks for the reply.. I reinstalled windows 10 (during instalation of version 1607 the update just crashed and the taskbar became utterly unusable, updates were not working also. Long story short after reflashing W10 and attempting 3 times the update again.. I managed to make the update :) ). I updated all the drivers, put the lattepanda into High performance mode, updated all the drivers and closed Defender. Results are more or less the same. I can only deduce that you received better results due to either the fact that you used Armbian or 32 bits (my res is the same and I have the 4 Gb RAM/64 GB storage version and I am using a 64 bit W10 for the test). I see that you received the 4Gb Ram version also.. I'd be curious for a test repeat on that one from your side :). Cheers!

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад +1

      Yup, that's odd. I will certainly look into that when I get to the 4G tests.

  • @Kuba-0040
    @Kuba-0040 7 лет назад

    What was the benchmark app You used on Windows?

  • @lepayen
    @lepayen 7 лет назад +1

    I didn't think a PC could input HDMI audio without an adapter going to the line in from the HDMI. In fact, I'm sure the HDMI is out only.

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  7 лет назад

      You can definitely have HDMI in devices, my Elgato HD60 acts as an HDMI display, so it has an HDMI in as well as an out.

  • @gotja
    @gotja 8 лет назад

    Would love for a SBPC to have sata connectors, would be an awesome nas.

    • @_who_cares_1123
      @_who_cares_1123 8 лет назад

      gotja The BananaPi has a Sata connector

    • @gotja
      @gotja 8 лет назад

      tenminutetokyo one saga

    • @stryk187
      @stryk187 8 лет назад +1

      some other commenters have mentioned the banana pi, and there's also the Cubieboard, Cubieboard2, and Cubietruck all 3 of those have standard 6Gb/s SATA III connectors on-board. (note that most 2.5" mechanical "laptop HDDs" work fine, as do 2.5" SSDs, but if you want to use a 3.5" desktop HDD then you will need some way to give it a 12V supply. the company that makes the cubieboards has a 12V sub breakout board with a cable that will power the SBC from it too. they only cost a few dollars, but unfortunately one end of the cable has a proprietary connector). The Cubieboard2 I have used and it works great as a HTPC/Plex Media Server client -- and all reviews I've read for the Cubietruck indicate that it's an absolute beast of a SBC.

    • @gotja
      @gotja 8 лет назад

      Stryk187 Thanks!!!!

    • @Strawberrymaker
      @Strawberrymaker 8 лет назад

      well why not the up2??

  • @tejas0010
    @tejas0010 8 лет назад +1

    can you water cool it like raspberry pi?

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      +Tejas Patil
      I've been asked that already. I don't think it'd benefit from it unless I can overclock it.
      That big heatsink was drawing out enough heat with capacity to spare. The fins were still cold! So I could probably do
      I'm planning on doing an x86 comparison early next year, once I get my Up2 and I'll look at an overclocking challenge on all the boards.

    • @tejas0010
      @tejas0010 8 лет назад

      Will be looking forward to it ;) MickMake

  • @themoakley9
    @themoakley9 6 лет назад +1

    I am considering the lattepanda for a in car computer and would like to be able to play video such as youtube. It is able to handle streaming video at 1080p?

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  6 лет назад

      It certainly can, but depending on which country you live in will depend on whether it’ll overheat. Cara can get quite hot!

  • @izzieb
    @izzieb 8 лет назад +2

    Do you have any intention to test the 64 bit version?

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад +1

      +Izzie
      I'm organising a loan unit to do some testing, but may not be able to squeeze it in before the end of this year.

    • @izzieb
      @izzieb 8 лет назад

      MickMake Awesome. Will be interesting to see if it experiences similar issues.

  • @TheDutyPaid
    @TheDutyPaid 8 лет назад +1

    I enjoy your videos but find the audio very quiet, yes I turn up the audio to a comfortable level. But always forget to turn it back down before the next video I watch.
    I know this is a small thing and probably maybe no one else even notices it.
    I just thought I'd rise the point, guessing you have the audio level quite low in editing?
    Again, I enjoyed the video and given it a 'thumbs up'

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      +TheDutyPaid
      I'm still sorta experimenting with audio trying to get it all right, but yup I'll try to beef it up for next time.

  • @sesu5543
    @sesu5543 6 лет назад +1

    Can it run Win 8 on this?

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  6 лет назад

      I believe people have done that, but I personally haven't.

  • @NardjSiy
    @NardjSiy 3 года назад

    linux mint was one of best performing OS for lattepanda... tried it... haha

  • @arckmarou
    @arckmarou 8 лет назад +1

    Im sure its super easy but why didn't you show how to remove the metal plate on the CPU?

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      +arckmarou
      Yeah that was a bugger, wasn't it. I'd even shot the footage for it, but I didn't do my final QA watch of the video so missed out on this segment.
      It's not that hard just use a small flathead screwdriver to leverage it off.

  • @_who_cares_1123
    @_who_cares_1123 8 лет назад +2

    Can you do Watercooling on the LattePanda?

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад +1

      +404
      Judging by my results I don't see any need for water cooling. The CPU was stone cold, (comparatively), to stock. Overclocking it - yup, it'll need something better than a plain copper heatsink.
      To be honest, I might not get to that before Christmas as I've planned my schedule for the next 2 months.

    • @xyaz_
      @xyaz_ 6 лет назад

      ruclips.net/video/qO0qV3ZIESE/видео.html here

    • @jonatan_1991
      @jonatan_1991 6 лет назад

      And how about Liquidmetal between CPU/GPU and Heatsink? Does this Work or will it damage the processor?

  • @cody9089
    @cody9089 8 лет назад +1

    very awesome vid

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      +cody perret
      Thanks!

  • @bitobito6366
    @bitobito6366 8 лет назад

    what you is good example recommend ): what thi is good for play

  • @Murlock2000
    @Murlock2000 7 лет назад +2

    i loled when he said "wifi"

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  7 лет назад

      Yeah, it's a bit whiffy.

    • @Murlock2000
      @Murlock2000 7 лет назад

      hehe - keep up the good work :)

  • @Solskogen
    @Solskogen 8 лет назад

    Did you ever the sound to work on Debian? It seems to work out of the box in Ubuntu, but I simply cannot get it to work in Debian nor Arch Linux :/

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      No I didn't. I'll leave that for a review update next year. Theoretically, if it's in Ubuntu it should appear in Debian soon after, depending on the developer and if they push it into the Debian stream.

  • @frostgreen5527
    @frostgreen5527 8 лет назад +1

    thank you for this nice video, keep up the good work!!! :D

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      +Frost green
      Thanks!

  • @idansagiv1920
    @idansagiv1920 7 лет назад +1

    Why don't you choose a plate of Peltier cooling system for the LattePanda processors?

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  7 лет назад +1

      +Idan Sagiv
      The intent was to use something static that worked well. There's several issues with peltier; in high humidity they tend to attract moisture on the edges and they wouldn't be able to fit into that small space.

  • @martinda7446
    @martinda7446 8 лет назад +1

    All these little computer boards require heatsinks..EDIT: For full performance.. that's why they cost $5.00 and not $20.00.

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      +Martin de Angelis
      True, but even with heatsinks they are pretty decent little devices.

    • @martinda7446
      @martinda7446 8 лет назад

      MickMake
      Absolutely amazing.

  • @GerardsCorner
    @GerardsCorner 8 лет назад +1

    LattePanda for gaming? No wonder it is overheating. I don't think the designers really had that in mind.

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      +GerardsCorner
      Maybe not, but non-gaming graphics performance is something that'll interest a lot of people.

  • @pirateman1966
    @pirateman1966 7 лет назад

    It looks like its not engineered properly! What is the point of having high clock speeds, if the CPU can't run at those speeds?
    I'll hang on to my RPIs. Never failed me yet, and its fast enough for the bullshit stuff I play around with.
    Thanks for informing us. +1

    • @gypsyzz
      @gypsyzz 5 лет назад

      the CPU is on the other side of the board, with the large IHS. So in this video the fan isn't cooling the right parts. I have it and run it 24/7 under 100% load. With a salvaged CPU cooler without heatpipes, it does 70C. With a spare case fan, it does 60C, which I would think it's more than enough.

  • @Strawberrymaker
    @Strawberrymaker 8 лет назад +1

    4:50 well too bad the media wasnt loaded .)

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад +1

      +Matze Strawberrymaker
      Yeah that's a real bugger. I have separate rendering hackintosh now and sometimes it stuffs up.
      I didn't do my normal QA watch of the video this time. Bugger!

    • @Strawberrymaker
      @Strawberrymaker 8 лет назад +1

      Aah no problem, happens too often when u dont pay enough attention, know that problem :D

  • @NotEliito
    @NotEliito 8 лет назад +1

    What will happen when you watercool the lattepanda? Like if you're curious! :D

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  8 лет назад

      The size of the heatsink I had on it was sufficient. I don't think water cooling would make any difference, but would certainly make it smaller in size. If I were to overclock it, then yup I might need a better heatsink.

  • @frankrisso4300
    @frankrisso4300 7 лет назад +1

    grips don"t touch lights, that"s electric u yum yum

    • @MickMake
      @MickMake  7 лет назад

      +frank Risso
      Yeah, that's why I fired him.