This Single Board Computer is Faster than a Mac Mini AND a Raspberry Pi

It costs more than 15x the price of a pi here so as a pi comparison it's pretty useless because price was its defining point. As a powerful SBC, it'd work in some niches where cost isn't as much as an issue.

$579 USD for the base model of 16gig and no SSD, it's not cheap. Interesting for niche applications I guess, personally I'd prefer an AMD chip were I going this route.

For me the pricing is making this a niche product. If we were talking $200 or less this would change the landscape completely. When you can get a more powerful mini PC for less and be able to upgrade the memory. I already own a arduino.
That was the attraction with the first couple of SBC. Compact, cheap and powerful. I'm not sure it's any of these

Finally! Someone using the pcie lanes. So tired of 1 m.2 and no TB4 single board computers. Lots of other connections you can do with m.2 too like to 5 sata ssd's to make a tiny and fast storage server.

Funny! I actually replaced all my raspberry pi's with 1 single small pc.. I think its powered by a AMD 8 core CPU. It's running proxmox and the best part is that it use less power than the 3 RPI's i had. Also love you can passthrough the usb ports to the VM and LXC.

At that price it had better be faster than a raspberry pi. But most uses for an SBC are not looking for speed; size and power consumption is what’s important.

Faster than MacMini in multicore score by 2% but slower in the same benchmark in single core by 15%? By definition, that means its a slower.

The ATmega32U4 is a tiny chip. 32 KB self-programming Flash program memory, 2.5 KB SRAM, 1 KB EEPROM. Putting an RP2040 on there would make a massive difference. I'd really like to see one of the IO pins tied to the Reboot and Power button on the computer so the chip could control the computer meaning that while the board has power, it always runs the "Co-processor" chip of the RP2040.

A 2012 Mac Mini is 4x the speed of a 2023 Raspberry Pi 4, but uses just 2x the power (and has better power management). Those unsupported minis can be patched for newer macOS, or run ubuntu. While a mini isn’t fanless, they are over engineered for quiet especially if you swap in an SSD.

I don't think comparing it against either a Mac Mini or a Raspberry Pi is a good comparison. The former is a complete system and the later is significantly cheaper and smaller. I'm sure that it has its niche market, but I don't think it is the same one as either of the aforementioned.

I think some are missing the point when they think that a small x86 board is some kind alternative to a Arduino or RPi.

Mobile processers winding up on desktop or rack boards has been one of the best things ever.

I absolutely love this SBC! Just made little project with my son. We got Lattepanda Sigma+ Rtx 3060Ti + few extras and put everything in a vintage radio case. Boom !!! It's so cool that I have strat recieving ordes for such a custom little PC's or fancy looking mid range gaming platform. Works flowlesly. Great video by the way.

I have one of these. For me, I wanted a SBC that could drive 4 monitors, was very low power, and have a modern processor. In terms of computation, I needed it to be able to smoothly stream video (which a Pi just couldn't really do well - that was the upper limit for what a Pi4 could do, really).
I should caution - when I ordered mine, it shipped from China, so it took a little while to get here.

Would like AMD 7840U or HS model there. Look at the scores that CPU has.
EDIT: Just followed the link on AliExpress. Its 709£ for version with 16Gb ram and 500Gb of SSD.
A miniPC with AMD Ryzen 7940HS (that tops those graphs for most of the part) with 16Gb ram and 1Tb SSD is 555£. Dimensions (mm): 120*110 vs 102x146 for Sigma.
If you do not need specifically board that has PIO connector, but just small computer, I think its very easy choice.

Interesting concept, but more expensive than a good used computer + arduino.

My biggest issue with it is the integrated memory... I was considering it as a massive upgrade from a 3B+, but will probably go with a recent tiny/mini/micro instead, at about 2/3 the cost of this.

I have questioned adding Arduino as a coprocessor to PC hardware, such as with udoo boards. You can always plug an Arduino into a USB port and have the same thing. But you *can not* remove a coprocessor from the motherboard. And what if you biff it, let the smoke out of the coprocessor? Yeah it is hard to to with an Arduino, has a lot of nets, electrically speaking, and range from $3 to $50... So why build it onto the board?

DIY Arcade cabinet makers dream right there! Built in arduino for running lights, actuators, scoreboards, coin-ops, interactive peripherals, the possibilities are endless!

Interesting your M2 Mac Mini performance figures seem to be lower than I have seen by quite amount.

My rasp pi sits there and waits for the day my main computer dies. That is its function. It does not sit there and do tasks. Well, i guess waiting is a task in itself.

Whatever else can be said, they got it right with all the IO options.

I like the idea, not 100% sold on it still but it's not bad by any means and I still remember when the first Raspberry Pi came out, crazy how far we've come in that short time!

as a student who do a lot of Arduino projects , I think it's a good PC with in-built ARDUINO , but the only concerning thing is that we can't upgrade the onboard memory.....!!!☹

Same processor as the latest Framework laptops. Would be an interesting comparison given you can buy their main boards and run them as an SBC. Though I think they are limited to DDR4 unless you get the upcoming Ryzen version.

Looking to move from Mac Mini to Linux. Could this be a good replacement? It all comes down to how fast it can transcode 4K video in kdenlive… and 64GB RAM would make sense.

The onboard Arduino could possibly be reprogrammed to act as a custom keyboard on the gpio which could make this extremely useful for niche simulation communities such as train simulation. Having dedicated buttons for things is much better a normal keyboard

Love the bit where he holds it up so everyone can listen to "how quiet it is", but the background music continues to play!!

for those edge devices that need a boatload of computing power. It's a neat little device. definitely fills a radically different niche than the pi.

It's got everything but the kitchen sink. The kitchen sink being a 16x PCIe slot. lol.
I think it's closer to a mini-ITX board than a standard miniPC or Pi, but I love it - except the cost. Truly innovative design, and a great find, though. Just not for me for my use cases - yet.

I would have liked to see what is available in the BIOS. The original Lattepanda BIOS was useless to the end-user.

ive looked over a lot of the reviews on this, and everyone that mentions the Arduino misses one really obvious use case for it.... you turn around and Flash Adalight to it, and then you have an SBC that can control your Ambilight set up with no extra hardware... supposing you are putting this thing behind a monitor already, its the perfect addon for that task

The price is expected and this thing is very impressive, although this is an entirely different class of Single board computers.

The fact that it's Intel killed it for me. If anything, go support projected like the Rock5 model B. It's got an RK3588 chip which is a much more fair comparison price wise but it absolutely blows the performance out of the water. With prism client, you can play Minecraft at 60+ fps (granted GPU is a bit weak) but the CPU is where it shines. Using the community version of Ubuntu desktop, its got full 3d acceleration and you won't notice that there is an arm CPU powering it. It's that fast.

I'd love to see that used with some of those Coral accelerators in the wifi slot or even multiple in the nvme slots. It seems like the perfect form factor for that kind of thing.

You have to really need that form-factor to spend that kind of money. That's twice what I spent for a Xeon power HP workstation with the same performance and with a GPU. I love the form factor but think it's priced outside what most people will pay.

Instead of one or two TB4 port, I'd love to see PCIe. This looks like a damn cool NAS PC if it had the additional expandability. Sure, one could probably get M.2 adapters but... yeah.
On the other hand this could very well be used as a media center and small home server. Especially the size makes it really good as a clusterable PC running redundant apps. The SIM slot is also a feature, I love. Due to some power outtages, I encounter in my flat, it'd be cool to be notified. This can very well be achieved by just powering this maschine for long enough to send a messaage over cellular and notify me.
Currently, the price is a bit high for my liking. Especially with the ZimaBoard existing. But I'll keep it in my head and maybe I'll buy one.

This seems cool and the video is great but... What would you actually use it for?
Demos are nice but if you could use it as a platform for something cool then users could more easily see the usecases.

You always seem so cheerful playing with new toys!

Orange Pi 5 is significantly faster than a Raspberry Pi 4, is a lot less expensive than this monster (though admittedly slower), and (more importantly, at least for me) pulls only a little more power than the RPi4, which means you can hang several off a fairly cheap PoE setup for remote power.

Thanks!Single board computers are really great! By the way even with fan cooling vertical positions are much better! Please have a look to understand why!

Oh! “… See STH content…”!
I just spend 3 minutes trying to find out what CSTH was! Hahaha

So competitive with the fanless systems, if you don't mind having a fan?

Nice. As cool as ARM chips are you still can't beat the horse power of an x86 chip and those 11th gen mobile (Tiger Lake) chips are indeed very impressive. Shame about Rocket Lake.

wonder, why just one sata. put 4, and the perfect thing for DIY NAS

I like the idea, but price is a bit high for what you get. I'd take a used 1L PC or a minisforum PC and save a few hundred dollars.

I love it, but Im kind of torn on the price. Im sure some will think its "too" expensive, but I think its price is probably pretty reflective of what is actually there and sits well in the market. BUT! When Im faced with actually going and making a purchase, and faced with the actual choices.. Im not so sure I would go with the LattePanda Sigma. I would probably end up going with a used enterprise MiniPC with something like a 10700T or some rPis for less money. I love what they did though, all the same.

'This single board computer is faster than a mac mini AND a raspberry pi'
'This automobile is faster than a toyota corolla AND a pair of rollerblades'

I was pretty up to the Board when i first saw it, 16gigs of memory is just not enought for me.

It is very expensive, you should really need that small form factor. i3-N305 fanless PCs can be found for ~240 euros - not latest gen but probably more appropriate for this form factor.
Just did a quick search and a mini PC with this processor can be found for 2/3 the price of this.

But how long will it last ( as long as MAC products ??) Also is it upgradeable ? There are many other PCs around the wortld which are more upgradable and easy to maintain

I picked one up and have been trying all day to get the bios updated, but can neither find documentation on how to do this nor figure out how to do it myself.

Four things:
1) The cost of entry for this is somewhat prohibitive given that I can get a more performant mini PC, often times, for less. (But of course, those mini PCs doesn't have the GPIO connector, which I guess, defeats the purpose of getting said mini PC over this.)
2) It would have been interesting to see some application benchmarks, if you were to say, run the Puget System's Adobe benchmark and compare the results from this SBC to your Mac Mini M2.
3) I wished that there was an AMD version of this (because the AMD processors are faster and/or more power efficient).
4) When the price comes down, I can envision Smart TVs ditching the lame Snapdragon or whatever ARM processor that they're using, and putting one of these things in said Smart TV instead.
It will drive the cost of said smart TV up, but it will also make said smart TV SIGNIFICANTLY more capable then the crappy "computer" that's in smart TVs today.
(Our Samsung QN90A TV can't play 2160p movies with DTS:X audio WITHOUT having my Plex Media Server transcode said audio down to PCM or something like that, just so that said TV would be able to then play said video. And the problem that I run into with that is that AUDIO ONLY transcoding is VERY slow. There's GPU acceleration for the VIDEO (AND audio) transcoding, but there's NO audio transcoding acceleration available. As a result, I'm using a mini PC to run/drive the TV (which defeats the whole point and purpose of having a smart TV in the first place, but you can't get new, big, "dumb" TVs nowadays), and the mini PC is able to play said 2160p movie with DTS:X audio.)
But if a smart TV uses this LattePanda Sigma (or something VERY similar), then said smart TV won't have this problem anymore.

Pretty easy being faster than a Raspberry Pi board. The original goal for the Raspberry Pi board is being an educational tool. Not being a daily driver. However, the foundation has changed to being very commercial minded and is trying to make the Raspberry Pi board faster.....

Hi, I'm far from being convinced because for the same price (~$625 for the 16 GB RAM version) you can buy 3 NanoPC-T6 16 GB RAM using a RK3588 processor, which will suck 3 times less Watts when pushed to 100% that you can unite in a Beowulf cluster - of course, this would make a different beast but the processing power would be close to equivalent (3×4 hi-perf cores + 3×4 budget-perf).

this costs 6 times more than RPi and consumes 4 times more power. Why the hell are you comparing them? just because both are SBCs? that's ignorance.
their sizes are from different classes, their scope of release is almost completely different. they are just 2 different things built on a single board...

Great review. This thing isn't cheap, and so while the price makes sense for the performance on offer compared with the (very difficult these days) RPi, it puts it in a very different place buyer wise.
P.S. You're the only person I've encountered who pronounces arduino as a four syllable word (for me, it's just three syllables).

In-band ecc - nice! Like the ASus industry mini pc
How trustworthy is the company? Long term firmware updates - no edgy blobs etc

For the price, it'll need to not only do Windows, but the dishes.

To me it sounds like they took 2 computers of 1 IoT board and 1 small PC and put them onto the same PCB. Sounds like an reads like a good way to do devlopment for anything using or compatible with the ATmega32U4 Arduino layout and chip. Outside of a board that is both for the devlopment of the IoT Arduino board and a full desktop it sounds like a standard miniPC that most consumers would get and not notice anything different from a prebuilt but the price and the missing case. As 4 USB type-A ports is enough for most and the 2 Type-C ports for when the hardware requires type-c not type-a it is a very good little machine.
Just i wish there was a case for it. Over time dust will collect no matter what you do so having a case would be a good thing. Also to prevent accidental touches from other objects that might have a static discharge that might kill a competent or the entire board. All put together the 32GB RAM with a the Wifi AX module is 630USD at cheapest then you will need the M.2 drive and OS so effectively 800USD to 900 USD for the 32GB RAM version. As the 16GB with AX module and 500GB M.2 drive is only 648USD but without an OS installed. Windows basically adds 100USD for a retail copy and 1TB is basically needed unless you also have a NAS and/or another computer to store files onto. Project files can get pretty big. More so if you save versions of the same project file so to be able to back track while in the devlopment of what you are doing process.

I wish SBC manufacturers would integrate snap-in RAM chip sockets like the 70s-90s. They had it right the 1st time and I get jealous watching retro channels switch out components in seconds instead of needing tweezers, heat-gun, flux, etc etc

I’ve written plenty of software that talks to Arduino but none of it needs this kind of juice on the computer side of things. An idea is probably going to hit me at random one day lol.
Maybe some signage running on three 4K monitors surrounded by mechanical stuff that’s controlled via arduino pins lol

I wish you include encoding performance with your reviews of minipcs. I really would like to know how these tiny machines handle some OBS encoding and if the newest ones are viable as a second pc OBS encoder.

Looks like a neat offering!
Motherboards, and especially x86 motherboards can be relatively high failure rate even from known good manufacturers - so my question is: What's the support and RMA process like?

when you give us a brief listen to the unit’s fans, could ya maybe kill the background muzac?

I was about to call this video a "clickbait" until I saw this
9:53
And damn... 7 watts is really low indeed!

Just found this channel. insta subbed after watching 4 hours of this kinda content

Intel NUC with same CPU is far cheaper, sure it doesn't have some of the SBC features but many buyers won't use them anyway.

This is a great product, the amount of IO looks perfect for a Ceph user. three of these with a few Optanes + 2.5gig switch? awesome.

Awesome hardware! I would love to see more affordable options with the same form factor! any plans on doing a video on one of the N51​05/N6005 boards that have sprung up in popularity recently? I'm trying to find something with that form factor but with a little more power. Thank you for your reviews they are always super detailed and a massive contribution to the community!

*entire raspberry pi 5 setup costing less than half of lattepanda*

This almost sounds like it's directed at the 'edge computing' space ?

Interesting! Looking forward for more introductions of application scenes！

Ha ha ha this machine is faster than my PC. Sounds like it's almost Upgrade Time again!

are there 3.5 drive mount points on that chassis?

*And it's also a lot more expensive than the Raspberry Pi, too.*

These people are misleading with their bs. Mac mini M1 is way faster than this...

Hey. STH should check out some of the embedded Ryzen boards

@3:15 in your video you it shows 32GB for $629. that seems a great value. Today 7/27 ( just one day later ) amazon list the only 16gb for $829. aliexpress list the 32gb for $860. How do we get the computer with 32gb for $629. is there some kind of code we have to enter?

Video cards have become mini-PCs, this is expected😅

Unless you're omega cramped for space a NUC is barely bigger while costing far less and having an enclosure. Just get some USB to GPU adapter and you're set.

Beats a Mac Mini M2? No. Comparable sure. Beats? No. Not as fast AND more expensive. Wow, what a deal. More expensive than Apple. That's a statement...

How many Operating systems can i run at the same time with this? I am a security researcher and i would like to run Proxmox at it, with for example: Security Onion distro, RockyLinux, Kali Purple, Windows 10 / 11. Windows server w/ AD for tests, Win 11, 10 for malware tests, Remnux + containers, Suricata / Snort, Elastik ELK /Wazuh, etc. I might add or change stuff in the future but would be something like that. Would it run all at the same time100% smooth? Id buy the sigma 32 GB RAM versioN (64 woud be perect but ive read cant add till 64)
Running 24/7 whole year.

I think this has very limited application, because it's an expensive juice sucker. The number one feature that makes SBCs practical is the low power draw, not the small form factor. The number two feature is the low cost. This thing doesn't check either of those boxes.

This is so close to something i'd like to run as my little homelab, if only it supported more SATA ports. It'd be a perfect little virtualisation box with 32GB ram but if a 4TB NVME drive exists, I cannot afford it

The price is steep. And I have mixed feelings about the on-board Arduino. On one hand, it's good integrated. On the other hand, what if the Arduino fails? I think the LattePanda Sigma is for fast prototyping for people with a deep pocket. So it's more tailored towards industry appliances.

This is a radically different type of SBC from a Raspberry Pi, like comparing a Ford Fiesta to a F600

Can you run this system just on the microchip and have it wake up the CPU when needed? that would be interesting - but also has a bunch of redundant systems like for networking

You could totally build a whole rack of these things in a standard old school desktop PC case with 10 3.5" bays in it. Just 3D print some rails, or drill the drive sleds to mount them all. Use some EGPU adapters to install GPUs, and could even use them for gaming. the main motherboard space could be used for anything, even just make a display shelf with an acrylic window for some toys or something. Also, an old school 3.5" external drive adapter could be tinkered with, and I have to wonder if you could use the copious amount of empty space in the Razer core V1 to build a SFF gaming system inside that. Lots of possibilities!

Nice SBC, super expensive but performace is really there

certainly overkill for what my needs are. but very cool to see such power in something so small

"This is more interesting than a hard drive..." Funky quote of the day!. Dang, it has like 100x processioning capability of a hard drive!.

I saw someone pull a M3 Max MacBook Pro out of its case and compare it to a Raspberry Pi. Seems reasonable - they both have green bits and no screen.

Can it stick to a velcro tape on a wall and eat the same power or less than r-pi?

If you want us to hear how loud (or not) a device is, please consider pausing the background music for a moment.

I worked with Latte Panda Alpha and Delta3. They are cool but onboard arduino Leonardo is kind of useless. I don't understand why they keep pushing so limited processor.
It's expensive compared to many micro PC with connected to any arduino.

I would be interested to see if you could build something like this for less money and more upgradability.

really cool board, though for this kind of money, you can probably just build an i5 desktop pc with a similar tdp main chip

Perform a side-by-side 4k DaVinci render export comparison of LattePanda vs (16GB RAM) Mac Mini M1/M2, and see how it goes. 😅

Awsome. This would be my perfect car computer.