Anglican Unscripted 788 - What Now CofE?
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I hope I live long enough to see the day when Anglican Unscripted programs are mostly about the growth, fellowship and future of the new, orthodox and truly Holy Anglican Communion beyond the borders of the British Isles.
Brilliant comment thank you
DAAAAANG!!!! After reading your comment I tore my shirt off and started flexing. I then turned up some old school 90s R and B and started crying. Heck yeah.
@@Redpill-lv4it Well, "The Chosen" series sometimes uses R&B as background music, so you may be on to something. 😄😄
"Go forward worshiping the Lord and not taking any concern of what the World wants of you". Well stated Fr. George.
As an Englishman I would just like to point out that this is a class issue. The vast majority of Bishops and high ranking Churchmen (indeed even most vicars) come from middle to upper class backgrounds. They go from comfortable schools to university to taking the cloth without really seeing much of the world (let alone their country). The circles in which they mix are mostly liberal. They are prepared to bend almost any rule in order not to "offend" a supposed "victim". And they are unwilling to rock the boat in terms of the institution at large. I honestly think the best thing to happen to the Church of England would be its disestablishment. If this happened it would have to stand on its own two feet. It would not be as attractive to a certain kind of chattering class religiosity. Normal people would be drawn to the Anglican Church as an emobodiment of English culture. And this would create the level of class diversity and grass roots dymanism necessary to actually preach the Gospel to non-believers.
Hello 👋 from Illinois! I like this idea. Since obviously this is a train wreck that is going to happen. Let it be what it is. I’ll stay with the Anglican’s who still adhere to scripture. C of E can become what it WANTS to be a circus 🤡 similar to the recent Grammy’s award. Did you see it!? I didn’t watch it but I saw some pictures.
I pray 🙏 we be guided by the Holy Spirit during these times. It’s not fun. RSVP welcomed..
God left the Church of England a long time ago..... time to seek out churches that actually stay true to biblical teaching and spend time amongst believers who are seeking to live lives honouring to The Lord
Such as (gasp) the Russian Orthodox Church.
Our Lady of Walsingham please pray for the conversion of England
All of us should be praying for genuine revival. God listens to the prayers of any righteous justified person.
Muslims will continue to say that the C of E will disappear and Jesus is not crucified.
The question might be, shall we also offer prayers of blessings for active adulterers, drunkards and idolaters ?
Perhaps pray they are blessed with the desire to repent and the courage to stand up to the demons in their lives?
Dear Lord please make England repent. Amen.
I have just watched the recording of Justin Welby meeting with LGBT activists - and I am appalled. His betrayal of orthodox Christians is breathtaking. Surely this cannot continue. Surely this must not be allowed to continue.
Only remnants will remain standing. I believe God does not change His moral law. RIP my beloved Anglican Church. You have betrayed your God by your cowardice!
Justin W REPENT --- Fear GOD, not man, they loved the praises men, more than the praises of GOD. U.K.
God bless you, thank you
Many people will simply leave.
Man cannot change Gods' laws.. Gods' words give life and not death to the soul!
So, you believe in the laws of more than one God?😮
@@funkyskypilot you must be a professional proofreader 😅
When will C of E parishioners realise that they must make a stand and stop being so deferential to those bishops who are leading them astray?
Great show - a bastion of reality and common sense, not to mention Biblically-based Christianity. We are doomed as a World, but, as a friend of mine reminded me: Things are not falling apart (from a Biblical perspective), they are coming together!"
Question: What Now CofE?
Answer: Perhaps the dying words of John of Gaunt from William Shakespeare's play Richard II would apply:
"This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,
This nurse, this teeming womb of royal kings,
Fear’d by their breed and famous by their birth,
Renowned for their deeds as far from home,
For Christian service and true chivalry,
As is the sepulchre in stubborn Jewry,
Of the world’s ransom, blessed Mary’s Son,
This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land,
Dear for her reputation through the world,
Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it,
Like to a tenement or pelting farm:
England, bound in with the triumphant sea
Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:
That England, that was wont to conquer others,
Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.
Ah, would the scandal vanish with my life,
How happy then were my ensuing death!"
The Apostate C of E. to see synod applauding what God condemns,sums up Welby and Co.
“To see them applauding what God condemns” is very disturbing.
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My appreciation of this episode is mixed with sadness for the Head of the Church and His Body. We shouldn't be surprised at the Synod's vote nor with the bishop's.
Apostle Paul warned us
George,, have you enough funds for your trip?
Sadly, you are right Nick.
Had Welby had the courage and not just the holding of his convictions, he could so easily have made his tenure one that saved the C of E. Instead he has opened it to the wolves and the wolves in sheep's clothing and allowed them free rein. Did he learn nothing from his nurture at Holy Trinity Brompton or is he simply without backbone?
Simply in invertebrate.
The emotionalism and the crying began with the funeral of Lady Diana, formerly Princess Diana. The hand of Tony Blair, it seemed to me at the time, was behind it all.
formerly Princess Charles, or Lady Diana , Princess of Wales but she was never Princess Diana.
@@exilityxehn9809 Sigh; if we're going to be pedantic Diana was 'Her Royal Highness, the Princess of Wales' and after her divorce, 'Diana, the Princess of Wales', but that was hardly the point I was making was it?
The position of the LGBTQetc people in the church seems to be that we must be kind to people in gay relationships, but our kindness must not extend to the point of actually helping these people understand Scripture and have a repentant attitude towards God. As I remember from Yes, Prime Minister, "We'll give them all support short of help".
The metaphor I used for the doctrine change was that of a vegan, eating a pork sausage but insisting they are still vegan! ruclips.net/user/shorts6hx2-6xMjhI?feature=share
Even though this is a dark time and a satanic development I haven't lost hope! Jesus is still on His throne even if He is removing the lampstand from the CofE. God will raise up a faithful Anglican remnant. The Free Church of England and AMiE/ACE are already planting new congregations, we should cover them with prayer!
Keep up the good fight Kevin and George, thanks for all you do. Still waiting for the Peter, Paul and Mary service 😄
If it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck - It’s a duck!
If it looks like an angel of light, if it talks like an angel of light..it is an angel of light...Not so!
Spurgeon had the church of england pegged right all those years ago
Come out of her My people lest you perish with her sins; Now where is that scripture, I wonder!?!
@@kenfaulds8818
Erm, the Baptist Union sent out a note saying Bapitst ministers can choose whether or not to administer gay marriages back in 2014 (only a year after the gay marrage was passed in parliament in 2013)..
So saying Spurgeon (a Baptist) was right about the Church of England for that reason is a little odd.
@@IamGrimalkin No, he had the C of the E peg right in that they were wrong.
PS. But then I have always looked at the C of E as being nominal. Mind you the Evangelicals and Apostolic Churchs seem to have lost their way as well, with the Baptist Lord have mercy.
WHERE IS ANY Bishop in Tec whom will speak out?
No
Stephen Cottrell is a weasel, destroy your opponent in public and apologize in private. To apologize you must publicly own your mistake and do it publicly. His intention was to destroy his opponent and this was not retracted.
Correct
Hard times
The political and social institutions in Great Britain have long outpaced the CofE in stark contrast to the U.S. where TEC has run ahead of those same kinds of social and political establishments. The CofE survives only because it serves the national rituals. TEC has no such grip on the American psychological comforts.
Signs of the times
There is something orthodox lay people could do. If Church Wardens and Treasurers resigned en-masse in protest it would leave the Bishops with a real problem.
Cameron's reasons for ssm "This is the 21st Century, and it's the right thing to do."
'The Episcopal brand' --- an interesting thought. The troubles in General Seminary are echoed in all of them that have refused to understand their world. 'Episcopal history' seems to be in our denomination about twenty years. I haven't heard anyone study Bishop Lancelot Andrewes, for example, or Richard Hooker (we praise him faintly but don't read him) or even David MacCulloch's _Thomas Cranmer._ We are a deeply secularized church, the kind that the young notoriously are not interested in. We are a poster-boy for 'me, too,' which is very uninteresting to the young. People buy different, they yawn at more of the same, which the Episcopal Church presently is. The Church always needs reform, and today that reform is Scriptural, prophetic. The Episcopal Church needs this to offer the center to life, which the world has lost (and the young know this even if they cannot articulate it) which Christ gives but no human organization can. The Episcopal Church needs to keep its long history instead of its recent secularized, following-the-culture-pretending-that-we-lead. Our 'brand' is recent, like our troubles. We need to root ourselves in the Spirit and the Word. Some do, but they're not in leadership. Will we admit what we truly need?
"Let us not decide what is good, but let it be considered good not to decide it." [G K Chesterton]
The Lord will treat the C of E as he treated Jehoaichin. 24 “As surely as I live,” declares the Lord, “even if you, Jehoiachin[a] son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, were a signet ring on my right hand, I would still pull you off. 25 I will deliver you into the hands of those who want to kill you, those you fear-Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and the Babylonians.[b] 26 I will hurl you and the mother who gave you birth into another country, where neither of you was born, and there you both will die. 27 You will never come back to the land you long to return to.”
28 Is this man Jehoiachin a despised, broken pot,
an object no one wants?
Why will he and his children be hurled out,
cast into a land they do not know?
29 O land, land, land,
hear the word of the Lord!
30 This is what the Lord says:
“Record this man as if childless,
a man who will not prosper in his lifetime,
for none of his offspring will prosper,
none will sit on the throne of David
or rule anymore in Judah
Ooo good one. Thank you 🙏
Best thing for the C of E would be a Archb of Cant coming from global south - GAFCON.
To neuter a cat is about 60$ in Ireland and there is a subsidy available for folks on welfare
Didn't the COE go off the rails with Resolution 15 at Lambeth 1930?
May the portion of Sodom and Gomorrah be their portion in the name of Jesus, May the portion of the builders of the tower of Babel be their portion in the name of Jesus, May the portion of Nebuchadnezzar be their portion. May the earth and all of creation arise and fight against the masterminds of this blasphemy until the only Person they can run to is the LORD God Almighty, in the name of Jesus. Show England and the World that only You are God!
A heavy and very sad ..but necessary episode. The Synod vote reminds me of the vote in the 16 th century re acknowliging Henry V111 as head of the Church in England. Only ONE Catholic bishop voted against that one also. With you both in prayer. Gordon Carter. A Catholic from Australia.
Henry VIII stood in the end for the Truth of the Protestant faith against Romanist tyranny. We are still fighting that same tyranny today.
They may be thinking of a different incident when they refer to a Catholic priest being arrested for praying outside an abortion facility in Birmingham but I wonder if they are referring to the case of Isabel Vaughan-Spruce? She was arrested for praying silently near an abortion facility in Birmingham as there is a local order making it illegal to pray within a certain distance of the abortion facility. In the meantime the case has been dropped but the situation is not totally clear.
Isabel was mentioned a few episodes ago.
@@ATVMinistries I see that you are right about the Catholic priest. Both Isabel and Fr Sean Gough are to appear at 10am tomorrow (Thursdsay 16th Feb) in Birmingham Magistrates Court. Fr Sean Gough, a Catholic priest, was arrested for praying near to the clinic during a time it was closed. Fr Sean was additionally charged because his car displayed a pro-life bumper sticker which read ‘unborn lives matter’.
On the RC side, google Archbishop Carlo Mario Vigano and Bishop Athanasius Schneider. They are trenchantly opposed to the English LLF.. So, too is the John Henry Westen show. And Dr Taylor Marshall, and several others. SSPX also.
Archbishop Angaelos.
We are witnessing the final gasps of the British Empire.
the CofE is English not British, plus the CofE is all about wokeness which the Empire was not
Always darkest before the dawn.
Why is there a wonderful stone under the throne of United Kingdom?
CDSP has become entirely remote.
Let's talk about the squatters in Europe instead
George, I was ordained in 1976, long before you were but at the end of every service of Holy Communion (and other services), I gave the blessing. So I imagine that like me you must have blessed gay and lesbians, some of whom were in sexual relationships, but I bet you didn't interpose the words "except gay and lesbian people'. I was also at one time a chaplain in prison and blessed those who had committed terrible things and some admitted they still had powerful pardophile feelings.So what's your problem with blessing gay couples in church? In marriage the ministers of the sacrament are the couple, not the priest who simply pronounces a blessing. I was once the Vice-Principal of a theological college of the Church of England and the tutor in Doctrine. Thankfully no one ever asked me what a blessing was and accomplished. People I know have been blessed on Sunday and had bad things happen. So tell me what a blessing is, George, and how it differs from someone saying 'Bless you' after a sneeze.
It's God who blesses. The priest/minister asks to God to bless the people and it's up to them to deal with any sin that needs repentance. Part of God's blessing would presumably be to give "repentance and the Holy Spirit", to us Prayer Book Words.
Well to some extent it depends on what the blessing actually says.
The draft document for blessings fortunately does not say anything about the body (like the marriage liturgy does), but does mention praying for the couple to keep their commitment. Should a clergyman really be praying that, given what that commitment involves?
There's also a matter of how it's perceived. Encouraging others to sin is not seen as a good thing in scripture, and these blessings could be seen that way. Blessing a gay couple who happened to be in a church service wouldn't be seen the same way as a dedicated "blessing" service by the participants.
Of course, this can be remedied if the blessing liturgy mandated a remainder of the church doctrine on marriage during the blessing service, but that wasn't in the draft document.
The General Synod vote did explictly ask (in an amendment) that the bishops ensure the final wording of the blessings did not contradict the church doctrine on marriage.
So perhaps they might make edits to the wording so these issues go away in the final draft.
I'm not hopeful, though.
I wish Kevin would stop using the adjective Satanic as a qualification for any position with which he disagrees.
Where deception is involved, there is Satan. Where one voice whispers "did God really say?" You can be sure who is behind that voice.
But this business could well be called 'satanic'. The decision of the CofE College of Bishops and then General Synod mirrors the deception and rebellion of Genesis 3. The question at the root of that deception and any rebellion against God is, "Did God actually say...?" - and these 'authorities' have questioned what God, in his word, has actually said on this issue.
Rapidly following on from this first devilish deception is the enticement that, "You will be like God, knowing good and evil" - which could be understood as, 'You will be like gods, deciding for yourselves what is good and evil'. This is what has been done.
Actually, I'm for the blessing of same sex unions provided that the line is drawn there and it has absolutely nothing to do with holy matrimony and that the sacrament isn't involved in such blessings. Along with such blessing the church at the same time should take a strong affirmative stand on Holy Matrimony and assert the importance and significance as the cornerstone of the Christian family.
The problem is that is no way God would bless same-sex unions.
@@davidmorrison2739 Sorry, but I know far too many devout and monogamous gay Christians (Anglicans) who believe they are not eligible for the sacrament of marriage but wouldn't mind a simple blessing upon their union. It really isn't asking too much...As long as it's strongly stated that the buck stops there. The noisy won't go along with this ofcourse, but the devout, from priest to choirmaster to parishioner would be extremely grateful for a Christian nod in their direction.
@@johnmckillop3820 First of all, in Anglicanism marriage is not a sacrament. But much more importantly, the Bible calls homosexual relationships sin. God will not bless such relationships. It is no kindness to give people the impression that what they are doing is not sin when it clearly is.
@@johnmckillop3820 You are wrong to say that blessing same sex unions isn't asking too much; such a blessing would be a rebellion against God, blessing what God has condemned.
Without commenting on the blessing of couples…it is beyond naive to think the movement or process stops there. Even the possible Nope Francis is suspected of planning the same decision in the RC’s
How the tide has turned! KEVIN: you are concerned that those Christians who choose to read our scriptures literally, and therefore denounce ALL homosexual acts (of course; there is no such thing as a 'homosexual act', except in the minds of such people) as inherently sinful, and can cite chapter and verse to 'prove' the 'rightness' of their opinion (which is also shared by God!), may be persecuted by the 'secular' authorities [25:00] and others who may feel less than charitably toward them. I need hardly tell you that this is precisely how the CHURCH, composed of such Christians, has made homosexual men and women (and others) feel, and fear, for centuries. I'm a fortunate man to have been born when the influence of 'bible-believing literalists' has been loosened throughout society: and not just for homosexual persons. The CHURCH loved to foster and encourage STIGMA. I would not like to return to a society in which a woman (not the man!) who divorced was made to feel like an 'outcast': and when the Church taught us to know our 'station' in life. "The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate: God made them high or lowly, and ordered their estate", all on the basis of a hierarchical Trinity, justifying an hierarchical Earth. This is what happens when the Church prefers, and gives priority to, the Eternal Logos and Pantokrator (of Christian theological musings!) over the historical young male Jew who, (actually!) lived and died two thousand years ago. We are living through the theological consequences of all those early fights against the Docetists, Arians and Nestorians: where the 'human-ness' of Jesus of Nazareth was sacrificed for the 'divinity' of the Christos. Chalcedon settled nothing! And what the CHURCH is currently undergoing proves it. The Church could not cope with 'one man', one young male Jew, who revealed the nature of his Father. This prevents it from starting with human beings, generally. It always prefers the tendency - attacked by that young man - to shape mankind to fit the Sabbath (scriptures?). As a Christian, observing these 'doctrinal' contortions taking place, I am compelled to return to that young man: He is our rock and our bastion. Not the Church!
The church still treats the divorced woman as an outcast.
@@Mutasis_Mutandis Exactly, Lisa! Because the 'Christians' who (used to?) control the Church prioritised TEXT over human beings. I would argue they prioritise TEXT above God!
@@Mutasis_Mutandis really? How many of them has it actually ordained (and consecrated?)? It dropped its opposition to remarry them precisely because so many of them sought ordination. Sigh...
For someone who seems to think that 'the Church' - which you do not attend - is of no import you have an awful lot to say.
@@Mutasis_Mutandis Really? I am divorced and I am most certainly not treated as an outcast, I have been made most welcome and feel very loved within my Anglo Catholic church by both my priest and other congregants.
kevin you are still smiling grinning smirking and laughing even when you are discussing serious things why do you do this you are disgusting
When kings and rulers plot against the Lord, "He who sits in the heavens laughs" (Ps 2:4). So, surely Kevin can be allowed a smile!
I am really tired of hearing of the C of E. In my mind it is now canceled, and the Anglican Brotherhood can come out of the shadows and have their way with it. As for Anglican Unscripted, is there any chance for news from North America? Never mind, after ten years of listening I will be unsubscribing.
The USA is not the only country in the world. It's not American Anglican Unscripted.
This synod is a historic event for the worldwide Christian Church to contemplate. Most Christians all around the world were thrilled to see how Queen Elizabeth’s funeral gave glory to the Lord Jesus Christ. I have met some international church leaders recently in a non denominational setting. They recognise only too well that everything is now changing. King Charles is not be able to give a good witness for Jesus as she did. They all understood the spiritual battle over human sexuality. They face it in their countries, even though they are not leaders of Anglican churches. My identity is Christian, not Pentecostal or Anglican, even though I have spent years in both those churches. I no longer go to an Anglican church, but I feel deep grief at what the Church of England is experiencing. Jesus said there is a cost to putting Him first in our lives. That cost is often hostility and opposition from those close to us. I care very much about those brave people who publicly spoke the truth of Jesus and the Bible to those in powerful positions of authority in the atmosphere of hostility
I would like to add that I have love for many Anglicans who are faithful in serving their church in so many ways.
Bye then