Track Day? Nah, we'd rather do a Hyphen Rally: mountain roads with friends - Carmudgeon Show Ep 50
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- Опубликовано: 1 май 2022
- In this celebratory 50th episode of The Carmudgeon Show, Jason Cammisa and Derek Tam-Scott regale us with tales of their 624-mile weekend old-car road rally.
Derek brought his 964-chassis Porsche 911, Jason brought "Beatrice," his beater E30-chassis BMW 325i. Two friends bought Miatas: an NC3 and an ND2. More on the Mazdas in a future episode, we promise.
Derek picked a route of the twistiest back roads Northern California can offer and the boys grabbed a couple hotels.
Several things occurred to them:
1. California's passing laws suck because they put the onus of pulling over on the slower, weaker driver.
2. We've found our people: they use turn signals.
3. Track days are great, but we prefer back roads.
4. Tight and twisty back roads are more fun than track - it trades repetition for adventure.
5. This is the cheapest way of enjoying a weekend.
6. Poor Beatrice.
7. Focus on the driver mod!
Greetings from Ukraine. This show is one of my favourite tools to take the mind off what's going on in here. In these ultra-chaotic times the new carmudgeony regularity of uploads is not a bad anchor to reality. Keep them coming
+1 from Ukraine)
@@IzvekovValeriy Confirmed by the smiley thingy at the end! 'Muricans don't really use them, they are Slav exclusive
Also, Слава Україні🇺🇦
Йоооооо. Брати, бережіть себе та сім‘ї
Greetings back at you! I’m sure “ultra-chaotic” is no exaggeration. Drive safely!
@@RdnkB Навзаєм, бро. Переможемо!
Thank you guys! Production value doesn’t matter when the people themselves are so valuable! The knowledge, experience, and personality that you two bring are a class above the rest of the creators in this space
Cheers Alex! 🍻 I completely agree. So many podcasts and content creators but very few are to the same class and caliber as these two.
Consistent carmudgeon shows is the greatest gift I could’ve even received
I was reminded this weekend that we all make mistakes when driving. I accidentally cut someone off, and I instantly knew it. I told my wife that was "an idiot moment." I will learn from that. Drivers who are oblivious 100% of the time are very frustrating.
In 1 hour and 14 seconds I've went from nothing to organising a trip with 5 friends to the North Yorkshire Moors in a variety of shitboxes. We already have routes in the whatsapp, so thanks guys.
That’s awesome dude I want to set something up too in flat Florida with not many backroads
Love the throttle house sweatshirt Jason
As a San Francisco resident for 5 years, now, I feel this episode in my soul. I have been a car enthusiast since I could talk, but my experience has been that the best way to enjoy the area is on a motorcycle. Because of the traffic in general and the content discussed in this episode, I haven't looked back. The laws and culture in California are very motorcycle friendly. People are back to being courteous when lane splitting (it was pretty agro for a minute after people started driving again) and a decent amount of people I experience on a backroad will hug the right line to let you through. Not that it matters too much, since a motorcycle makes a lot of straights safe for passing...
I know I'm missing the point a bit and there are tradeoffs. But I honestly think you'd love it and you have the skills/awareness/presence of mind to keep yourself alive.
All that said, thanks for the great content!
Hell yeah dude, if I ever see you on the road you’ll either get a point by or I’ll make sure you won’t need one, and that’s how the world should be.
The highlight of my week is Monday mornings with Jason and The Hyphen.
watching jason seem like he just woke up and grumpy to passionately discussing suspension parts on his e30 45min later has been quite the journey boys thanks
Hey Hagerty, you should know that Jason Cammisa is the only reason I'd consider being a customer. Best advertisement there is. You should pay him more.
These kind of videos always, always get me in the mood to drive
Requesting the full onboard video of Hyphen's Porsche dancing down that back road
i think i speak for a solid chunk of viewers when i say we’d like to see you guys go on these little rallies
Direct quote from Jason's instagram post "We answered the question of: if Miata is always the answer, is it NC2 or ND? Results in a forthcoming @TheCarmudgeonShow episode."
I'd much prefer that episode to the 20 minutes of traffic talk that I just experienced. Thanks
They've already talked about that in an earlier Carmudgeon episode.
Frankly I'd rather hear Derek talk about his NA more (totally not because I have one myself)
@@effrumtheretardo They talked about it but couldn't decide which they'd rather have. ND or NC. And yes! More Derek Miata! This would have been the perfect time for him to talk about his dedicated track car, the NA Miata
Alright they made the Miata episode. I look stupid and I'm glad I do.
I’m glad you included the clip at the end where hyphen may or may not have been driving. It really shows how the 964 changes directions so fast. Well done to the driver that may or may not have been a man that goes by his middle last name.
Looks like the 4 car photo was taken at Goat Rock; I’m 13 miles from there, and yes one of my favorite stretches for the Miata NC. I’m hooked on your show - great content. Will keep an eye out for the Rally.
I love that you promote the experience of the drive, not bragging rights of the speed achieved.
I call using the signal *as* you change lanes the "Jersey signal."
You don't want to give away your intention too soon, lest someone realize the opening and beat you to it.
By signaling during the change, you are letting surrounding cars know that it is not an inattentive swerve but an intentional act that will be followed through to completion. They can then plan accordingly.
It’s amazing when you put your signal on, start to move over, and the car next to you decides to speed up to block you. Then they honk and get agro because I keep moving over. I’m moving over, not knocking you down a peg in the social order. Chill.
@@joeracer302 those people have small peepees
The way I look at the bullshit of signaling so late is that they aren’t using their signal to give advance notice of their intention. They’re using it entirely to avoid getting a ticket for not signaling. Which is maddening, as it completely defeats the purpose.
The worst is when someone is sitting at a red light, no signal. The light turns green, *then* they signal. For fucks sake, you knew you were making that turn while the light was red - why wait?!
I live in CA and grew up in NJ. The Jersey mentality is more “never use your signal: it only gives away your next move.”
Jason repping The Throttle House hoodie !!👏🏾👏🏾
Here in New England, it's the Subarus and the CuckUV that tailgate you in snowy conditions, but hold up traffic on normal days.
When I was on holiday in California, I also noticed this endless double lines. This was really anoing! Even more so, because at home in Germany and also most of our neighbouring countries, the open country roads have less than 20% overtaking restrictions. You are allowed to pass slower car almost everywhere. The only problem is, that we have a lot more trafic, than you guys have.
Yeah sorry, sometimes we put “safety” over common sense here. I hope you were able to find your chances to get by.
The criteria US road designers have to meet to put a dotted line in is quite conservative, it's true.
This episode resonates strongly with me.
Hyphen draws a great distinction amongst the hierarchy of car enthusiasts being the various forms of: car guy vs driver. I certainly get where he’s coming from; some people see their car as an instrument rather than a status symbol or object of their affection, and develop a certain ego about it. I noticed I got this feeling constantly from karting. Karting was always a far more engaging experience than a track day, while being significantly cheaper and safer, and whenever I finished I always looked at everyone else on the road like they were driving a horse-drawn carriage. There's just something about being a "driver" where you feel like you're constantly practicing your craft, and creating this connection with the machine.
The wonderful part of the hyphen rally like you said is you get to explore and take it all in. The repetition of a track day gets extremely clinical and there’s something to be said about the improvisation of driving public roads and connecting destinations. I’m glad I finally understand the awesomeness of a small street rally, and the opportunity to exploit my car’s ability. When I was younger I was sucked into the HP wars, only to realize how stupid going fast in a straight line is. Like you both, my group of friends and I never really get above 70 (except on a long passing straight in the middle of nowhere), and we have epic adventures. Honestly 300hp on the street is really the limit of approachable fun for most cars. Over the years I’ve driven a bunch of supercars, and each time I came away kind of disappointed because the performance was so invigorating, I knew that you could never truly utilize them (safely) on the street.
With that said, I ended up trading my RS3 for a cayman. Engine theatrics only last so long against 2D dynamics. The RS3 was actually quite good around 9/10’s but the problem was the engine is so powerful that you end up achieving extremely scary speeds for the road (and it's a FWD based AWD system). Below that limit, the car just doesn’t communicate enough. Whenever we were doing a trip I was always taking my Boxster, and for good reason, it’s “slow”, and far more capable dynamically. Now I have a cayman to choose from as well depending on the mission.
Oh and one final thought, yeah you guys have some fucking terrible drivers in california who do not pay attention to turn offs OMG.
When will we hear about NC vs ND Miata??
I seriously relate to the discussion around fun roads. I recently moved from PA to Savannah, GA and I can't find any fun roads within 40 miles of me. Everything is flat and straight. I'm dying of boredom here.
Refreshing to hear these two describe my EXACT frustrations with other drivers when I drive! Thank you gentlemen!
I am so happy this is weekly. Definitely a highlight! Among the top automotive content available anywhere.
I completely agree with what you two are saying. A few years ago a relative got married close to Deals Gap, which I had not driven before. My family drove from Ohio and I somehow talked my wife into taking two cars. My 20 year old SAAB with 200 TW tires was so much fun, even got a thumbs up from a guy in a modded Miata. I got my license in Northern California, would take my parents cars and bomb around in Lassen National Forest, then we moved to eastern Ohio that has great roads, so much fun.
So much truth. Any time i hit Hwy 1, 128 or anything in twisty in Sonoma County.... 8 times outta 10... toyota or subaru. Probably one of the more engaging talks for me (new listener, hi) but I host rally runs and relate to a lot of this.
Same. But 1 is always a hot spot for the tourists, and 128 is a hotspot for car guys, and thus cops.
Highway 16 coming off of Highway 20 (section between Williams and Clearlake) isn't too bad for around 10 miles... a few nasty clunks, and not super involving or tight like Highway 9 (San Jose/Santa Cruz) or Highway 20 (Willits to Fort Bragg). But it's relatively light traffic through a decent little cut of canyon walls here and there.
God listening to the bit in signalling made me happy for the UK driving test !
This episode makes me want to hit the canyons with you guys.
Too many cars gets way too complicated, coming from someone who's done that with 7+ cars. I think 5-6 might be the limit. And it's good to have someone with some modicum of sensible speed ahead, not someone overly wreckless in pace. "Comfortable, fun pace" is good.
Last time I had a proper run like that, we had a 1.6L NA Miata in lead. Aside from some jackass in a Focus ST with $1,200-a-piece track tires swerving and going over the double yellows to keep temp, it was fine. The guys in the other Focus ST's and RS', the Fiesta ST's, etc were still having fun. And I was the odd man out with a chassis-modified Toyota Echo, which again made that NA Miata pace perfect for me (and people were quite surprised, and still remember it years later... it's an overlooked simple and light platform). Let the FoST's and RS's lead, and there's absolutely no chance for the older momentum cars.
I would love to go on a trip like this.
Are you kidding me, another episode?! Seriously, guys, I need to be productive today... New episode = me dropping everything I'm doing right now! (This was fine when episodes were 8 months apart, but weekly episodes are gonna get me in trouble.)
Awesome comment!
~ 22:00 This conversation is exactly right! Find a tight enough road, and you don't really need to go fast. I agree 100% with Derek that anything over 65 isn't much fun, and substantially increases your risk.
My best experience of this was in my FR-S, following my uncle on his dualsport motorbike. He took me on some roads that are tighter than anything I'd been on previously, with speeds only getting to 45 less than a handful of times that entire afternoon. The roads had frankly poor sightlines, but because the bike is narrow and tall, my uncle's sight lines were much better than my low car. The bike is also narrow, so when a car came the other way, he had tons of room to get by, and I had ample warning to slow down and make the squeeze. He was also great because he watched my pace in his mirrors, so we were always in touch, keeping a reasonable distance of like 5-20 car lengths, depending on the corners/straightaways. Probably the best driving experience available on public roads.
Thanks for another one guys!! Still watching it lol cheers Jason and Derek!
Man I loved the theme of this one especially about half way through when you are talking super cars vs the cars you drive and how less powerful cars are actually more fun than a car that has numbers. I've had a lot of cars, including recent American V8's, but now I have a 2022 Giulia Veloce and it is honestly the most fun cars I've had. I have always preached that I would rather have a car I can drive at 80% or so of it's capabilities over a car I can't do over 30% without being illegal or at high risk or stupid shit happen.
Jsason and Derek, thank you for a great show.
I used to arrange multi-day “rallys” in West VA and North Carolina. Small: 4 to 7 cars, bigger and it becomes unwieldy. Your discussion quickly brings me back to those 8 hour days of running the twistiest backroads in bum-f***-middle-of-nowhere with zero traffic, chasing and finding that zen of driving on the limit on a new road. I’ve since moved to CA. While the Bay Area local roads themselves are fantastic, I was finished after finding another S2000, oncoming in my lane, half sideways. I don’t drive the local Bay Area roads anymore. Between bicyclists (nothing wrong with them), too many enthusiasts doing crazy things, and regular traffic, it becomes an incredibly frustrating and sometimes dangerous experience. Most people cannot drive with the precision that you two describe.
It’s been pretty much just track driving since, but I miss these backroad trips. The key is going somewhere rural without traffic. Thanks for the inspiration. We have a small overnight group drive coming up in the end of June, further up in northern California near Fort Bragg. Was going to take our MKV Supra but after listening to this, I think I’ll take the S2000. It’s my version of Derek’s 964. I can’t wait.
I grew up driving the back roads between Solano and Napa counties and I totally get it. Those are 40mph roads that will fry your brain. I had such a blast with my 85hp 1981 Honda Prelude (yes sorry it was cheap and I was 17).
My buddies and I just did exactly such a trip to the Smoky Mountains of TN, and NC. 1,950 miles from Thursday to Sunday, our Porsche 911, Porsche Cayman S (x2), Subaru WRX-STI, and Mustang GT350 enjoyed a lot of good running over great twisty roads. We did have our share of frustrations - mostly with all the slow pokes out there. You guys are highly discounting the slow poke potential of the "Brown CRV". If you get out to the East Coast - watch out! They never look in the rear view and as a rule, go 15-20 under the limit. I'll be trying to second car back "flashing" technique going forward. Thanks for a great show!
Hagerty Driver's Club magazine in the mailbox and a Carmudgeon episode dropped on the same day? You spoil us.
This is why highway 29 from Napa to lake county is one of my favorites, more traffic then I like but copious passing lanes. There are so many awesome Northern California backroads.
An epic stretch of road! Like you say, annoyingly trafficked but it is just magnificent!
IIRC they at least have some proper passing lanes, with white dashed "slow lane" amid the curves. I remember passing a bunch of cars through there in my horrid (sold) Mazda6 manual wagon (200,000 miles, dogged shift cables, fifth gear pop-out, you get the idea). I got around everyone but a last generation Mitsubishi Eclipse. Might have pulled it off if it had a proper differential. It was a blast for sure, since it means actually working to get around traffic through the curves. Being in Sacramento, I'm stuck with a couple local stretches, but otherwise have to travel an hour or two for any real fun. And of course, traffic makes it grating in between.
@@hduncan2587 yeah 29 is humbling. I’ve hauled ass in Boxster S up this road and had crappy Toyotas keep up. I can pass about 98% of cars on this road but about 2% of drivers have that skill / crazy factor.
Wasn't a fan of Derek when I watched this show for the first time, but I've been enjoying the series ever since, with this one especially bringing out my inner Carmudgeon. At least it doesn't look like these guys encountered any cyclists in the middle of the road with no shoulder on their trip.
THE BEST content on the interwebs! So glad these two are back.
Winter climates help a ton with learning your cars limit.
This has been my favorite show on RUclips, you guys are hilarious yet wise. Todays talk topic was great. Been waiting for it a long time. Looking forward to next Monday to hear from you guys again!!!
This is continuing to be time after time the absolute best automotive podcast/content I've ever consumed. Thank you so much
Great episode and 1000% agree with the appeal of backroads and level of involvement. Funny enough, that ratio of high involvement, low risk is what lead me into motorcycles and off-roading as well. I love that feel of my car dancing in and out of its (very low) limits and motorcycles/off-roading can give you similar levels of engagement too.
Preach it! I get to drive the very same roads with similar circles of car nerds with similarly modest performance. We never cross the double yellows because we have each tried it enough times to realize how utterly stupid it is. Good idea on getting some instant-on LED high beams for blasting away Crosstreks.
This is THE podcast I need in my life. Thanks!
Love your sluff guys and I would imagine driving a rally with you two would be an event to remember, however, watching the video of DTS in the Porsche, I was dismayed to see the centerline cross. As a lifelong motorcyclist and gearhead, with some experience with "spirited" driving/riding, my friends and I always had a hard fast rule, crossing the centerline was to be avoided at all cost, we even went to far as to call it a crash. My two cents, keep up the great work, we need this kind of automotive enthusiasm and knowledge in the gearhead world
Firstly, thank you boys love the show!
I think last weeks story about Jason’s nephew crashing his prized possession, and all the pain associated, matched perfectly with this weeks story, about how much fun and enjoyment we can have just getting out and driving.
Cars… sometimes they’ll break your heart, but in the end they make it all worthwhile.
I’m so happy you guys are back doing these shows for us people whom still are passionate about cars and driving, now after watching this episode I want , Waite no negative I need to go for a responsible and enthusiastic drive I’m my 335. Thank you guys for all the great content.
SF Bay Area born and raised, been driving 20 years now, learned road design in college as part of my civil engineering education and have some HPDE experience to compare road driving to. My response to this conversation is: _yeah, basically._ I could go on for ages but in short, the roads in this area really encouraged a certain type of performance driving that I consider pretty responsible; as you say, you have your fun in the slow stuff, you understand your sight lines at all times, and the fast stuff is where you cruise. The first time I did HPDE it really opened my eyes to just how uncontrolled the road environment is, and how dumb it is to push 10/10ths in that environment for so many reasons.
That's one of the things I was most surprised at after starting a Hagerty in the insurance side. It is super hard to convey to prospective members because even mentioning the idea of wrecking their classic feels wrong.
Adding Cherished Salvage is also extremely useful because you get both the full payout and get to keep what remains of the vehicle.
41:00 tracks are fun but very expensive, but you’re driving in circle. Roads are fun and you see new, usually(in CA), beautiful places.
Feel bad for people living in states with nothing but long flat straight roads.
Another great show. My own little version of the back roads entertainment is driving to the ski slopes. I tend to drive late at night so there is no Subaru in font of me (though VT does allows passing on double yellows). Rear wheel drive with good snow tires up a winding snow covered two lane over the mountain. Maintain high speed around the corners so I have enough momentum to get up the next 12% pitch. And yes if the road is snow covered the radio needs to be gets turned off.
Love this episode! The 964 looks sooo clean!
As a car guy from birth?? but got bored with it in my late 20’s due to working in dealerships. Turned to sport riding and touring motorcycles. It’s a little surprising that more car people are not into this aspect of the car hobby. I’ve had the most fun on vacations riding with different groups of people on the cheap compared to a “normal” vacation. Excellent episode guys.
"Signal when you pull off," that was great.
I know I'm two (2) years late, but I've never heard of track day insurance. For motorcycles, since track days aren't timed (officially) anything that happens should be covered by regular insurance. Admittedly, "should be" is doing some very heavy lifting there, but my friends that have crashed at the track had their bikes covered.
On the other hand, my track bike (06 GSX-R750) was cheap enough that even if I ever have to leave it in the dumpster at the end of the day, I will be upset, but not financially ruined.
Great discussion as usual.
You guys make me want to buy an old clapped out MR2 Spyder, so I can have a cheap track car to complement my cheap track bike.
Damn, I wanna do that (hyphen rally) at least once while all my extremities still work! I’m unapologetically with Jason concerning twisty-centric cars. If it’s not a handler then I might as well drive the Corolla for reliability and mpg (and cheap insurance ;^)
About the drivers who “hand you the gear shift” when they get out of the race car. I saw Pete Brock talking about his BRE days. He said that the other drivers would sometimes beat John Morton’s lap times, but the guest car (#85?) needed much more rebuilding than John’s #46 because he was so sympathetic to the machinery.
And there are some Corollas out there that rip! Anyway I’m with you; my G35 is comfortable, handsome and fast, but on a tight road I know I need to let smaller cars pass, and that’s why I’m building an MR2 now
If you boys ever decide to do a vlogging series with minimal editing when you do these trips I am sure we would all appreciate it
RE71R’s are extreme performance summer tires. They are properly sticky.
Sounds like we grew up in the same driving philosophy. I will add that winter driving (donuts in shopping mall parking lots on snow) plus driving through storms and on ice also sharpens car control skills.
Woah Jason, ~ 28:00 we need to hear the 100mph backroad in college story. And what you learned from the experience, please!
I relate so much with everything you say on this podcast, especially this episode. Slow cars on a fun road absolutely drive me insane. So many people here in the states are just completely oblivious to what is going on around them. They have no idea that you're behind them and would like to get past. I also really love driving on the road. It is a fun new experience every time. My go to fun car these days is my ND Miata, and I've never had more fun in a car that that one and it only has ~170hp (ND1 with some engine mods). I can drive that car pretty close to the limit without really breaking and speed limits. I've owned faster cars in my life and none of them have been as much fun as this one. The limits in the Miata are just so approachable. I need to get out again son now that the weather is nice and do some drives on the fun roads in Arizona with my friends. After listening to this, it has really inspired me to go back out again!
Wow I love this. And you're guy's driving etiquette is beautiful. 🤌
I always love all your episodes, but I particularly enjoyed the topics of discussion in this one. Very relatable. So awesome to see you out enjoying your fun cars. Weekends like you described are priceless for their experience value.
Nice to see there's others that go on drives like myself. Seems like everyone I run into in my area only like highway high speed pulls or meeting up in parking lots.
I tend to lone-wolf because too big a group can get too muddy. Lose track of each other, or have someone understeer off (seen both of those in one group outing), or just end-up having someone overheat/go into limp mode (another outing, likely my last try). I admit it's fun to be in a group and to share and pat each other on the back about the experience. Six cars is about the max, IMO.
Listening to you guys talk about backroad hauling really resonates with me. I think back to the beginning of the lockdown where i finished school and had all the time in the world with my friends hauling ass with my mom’s 2015 VW Polo just behind me friends in a 2017 Mustang and a R28 swapped Golf IV. outbreaking my Friend in the Mustang and using his breaklights for reference. We would do 400km „Rallyes“ in a day in the Rheinland and I was not getting less than 33mpg in that car. I can’t wait for the summer to come and do it all again in my first own car. Such a happy place! Safe driving guys.
I liked the ending Hyphen: “signal when you get off.” Jason: “Gawd damn it!”
nice sweater Jason!
Love the podcast and I drive both track days and on the back roads and canyons on Washington. For a track day a supercar is great and makes it so fun cause you can push the cars. On the road I prefer the compromised cars that are not as fast just like you 2 so it's fun to drive without risking life or limb.
OMG! Highway 20 Fort Bragg to Willits great tight road after leaving the coast but there is always someone driving slow with a tail of Traffic honking at them for never pulling over on turn outs all the way to Willits
Only been on it once, but that road is EPIC. Nice and twisty, but wide, properly cambered, and 55 MPH. It’s fun even at the speed limit!
Keep it up ✌🏼
Next lifetime. Love y’all videos and cars y’all drive.
Snow is a good way (with the right tires ect.) to get to know how the car behaves at the limit at way slower speeds.
Re71r maybe classified as a uhp tire but that's so it can be used in autocross as 200tw. It's definitely extremely high performance and used to be the autocross meta before the a052 came out a year or two ago.
You guys are smart - drive within the confines of the road, the traffic situation and your vehicle... - on a separate note great nickname "Slasher" Tam - Scott!
It’s all fun driving a slow car fast. I have to laugh at myself as I regularly drive 5 over the speed limit on public highways but when I find a fun twisty road I’m familiar with I drive 20 over.
You guys once mentioned an episode on regular cars that are better than the performance variants. Specifically mentioning an M5 if I remember correctly. I find this topic fascinating. Please consider it
I love this show and podcast!!!
If you could get Don Osborne and his kick ass outfit on the show i would be beyond pleased..
Would recommend autocross for anyone looking to find your cars limits. Has been a great low cost learning tool in exploring tire, suspension, and driver limits
We 100% need to destigmatize the flashing of the brights in the USA. We also need a secondary horn function that is the friendly 'thanks' beep when someone actually does know how the world is supposed to work. I also 100% agree, the Agency I work that preaches always allow for being able to stop in 1/2 sight distance in case something you aren't expecting is coming the other way around the corner. It was nice to have a candid discussion of what responsible canyon driving is.
PREACH. I’ve lived in North Bay for 11 years and spirited weekend drives on the back roads are what keep me sane. The Prius and Outback drivers are the *worst* about not using turnouts (but of course not limited to these models). Either because they can’t be bothered to ever use their mirrors, or because they feel like nobody should go faster than *their* comfort level. It’s maddening to no end!
I would totally watch a one hour compilation of dahcam footage from those drives.
Totally altimas!! It just happened to me!
I’m loving this.
I just got a used Crosstrek MT as my first car. I'll probably be the driver you hate until I learn to do stick properly.
The 964 is so perfect as a car. Hyphen chose very wisely
ayyyy, get that ad read bag
Never tell your insurance company about track days or mods. 😅
FInally got time to get through this and the side way Porsche is exactly what I did during the weekend, a 981 Boxster in the wet, steady left turn, just lost it going through it but caught it quite easily
I love the topic. I got away from sports cars many years ago in favor of sportbikes (way easier to get around the rolling road blocks and find an empty stretch of pavement to enjoy), and have largely done this kind of riding - mountain roads with a few friends. 15 years ago you used to see tons of little groups of sport bikes out doing this kind of riding here in the Oregon coast range or cascades. Today it's rare to see any and the market for those bikes is in the toilet. Isn't Derek also a motorcycle guy? I'd love to hear his thoughts on the topic.
I think we've already heard everything they have to say about cars lol haha i dont know if they realize this but the first 10 minutes (excluding the anecdotes about the 4 of them and their rally) are literally all stuff they've already made whole episodes about lol
Reminds me of the saying -- "If there are 5 people tailgating you, you're an asshole. If there is one person tailgating you, they're the asshole."
58:50 Just my opinion, but I really don't think you should be crossing the double mustard while driving spiritedly on public roads like that...short of performing avoiding action. Life happens so quickly as-is, and you never know when someone will be driving as spiritedly as you are from the opposite direction. Be safe out there, folks.
In Europe you rarely see double lines on mountain roads. People overtake each other with 80hp cars all the time on mountain passes.
That wasn't intentional, he skidded out
4:00 I KNEW YOU WOULD SAY CHARGER LOL
Never thought I'd hear Jason mention Bosnia
Thank you thank you THANK YOU for talking about this. Road etiquete is atrocious in the United States. It needs to be much much more difficult to get your drivers license and there need to be heavy penalties for things like left lane hogging, not allowing faster cars to pass and passing on the right.
Absolutely but you need better public transportation to justify that, get the people that don't want to be on the road off it,