F is for Ferrari, Fiero...and FIRE! - The Carmudgeon Show with Cammisa and Derek from ISSIMI Ep. 75
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- Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2022
- Keep your fire extinguisher nearby, for today’s episode of the Carmudgeon Show covers the beginning and end of GM’s first mid-engine blaze of glory- none other than the Pontiac Fiero.
Covered in depth in the latest Revelations video (found here: • The Pontiac Fiero was ... ), the Fiero was a troubled car from the start, tasked with delivering sports car performance and exceptional fuel economy but having major challenges achieving either or. Jason reviews the timeline of the Fiero’s promises and ultimate demise for GM.
In a continued discussion of fires in cars both exotic and mundane, Jason and Derek also review other cars whose individual demises took the heat, including but not limited to the Chevy Bolt and Volt, the Ferrari F40, and even the legendary Lamborghini Miura.
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Some watch the World Cup, I watch Hyphen Clap! 👏
Side note, I have an Element in both my Individual E38 and in my Alpina B10 (E34). Cannot recommend them highly enough!
Yes, you can get the insurance money, but my cars are rare enough where I won’t be able to replace them easily, and neither will you with the Miura, Derek.
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Sounds like a sub-variant STD
Don't feel bad hyphen. We are still waiting on Jason to get us a discount code for the element fire extinguishers
Someone asked Gina Belefonte if she could sing "Sequential Port Fuel Injection - Anti-Lock Brakes" and she fucking nailed it.
This is right up there with the Pontiac Montana cowboys ad in terms of all-time great, ridiculous, American car ads. Thanks for reminding me it existed.
The Bolt recall is blown out of proportion, but it worked out for me. GM gave me a fully loaded 2023 Bolt EV as an exchange of collateral for my base model 2021 Bolt + $7,400. I'm worried as much about my 2023 catching fire as I was about the 2021 (Not worried at all).
In the Fiero GT, the 5-speed was introduced at the end of the 1986 MY. There were 1500 made. I had one.
BTW, the first or second sentence in the Fiero owners manual is that Fiero means “very proud”.
Hypen at 25:48 "What a hell of a motor failure" got me laughing so hard
One man's burning motor failure is another man's effective heater.
God loving all the Fiero coverage you're giving lately. I owned an 86 SE 4 speed and while it was far from the best car I've owned it was a fun year.
YES, finally! I waited the whole day for this, thought it was not going to happen today!
A small correction: the Pinto was not rushed to market as a response to the fuel crisis, which happened in 1973. Planning for the Pinto started in '67 and came to market in September 1970 as a '71 model. It was aimed at the growing subcompact class, exemplified by the VW Bug and emerging Japanese imports. That said, the development process reportedly took 25 months when the automotive industry average was 43 months, the shortest production planning schedule in automotive history at the time.
🤣 omfg the trofeo commercial! That made my dang day 🤣
My sister lost her Fiero to fire; I also lost my Jensen Healey to an engine blaze. My brother's Aston Martin DB9 - hooked up to the provided factory trickle charger in the trunk started a fire and destroyed the wiring in the car on the entire passenger side to the windshield.
Last week at work we had a propane powered fork truck catch fire. Transmission fluid line broke loose at the radiator inlet, which is directly above the exhaust. They used an extinguisher and it made a horrid mess. Not to mention the smell of the truck's exhaust once they got it back running. Good times
whoever encoded this video, thank you for getting audio and video back in sync . Last weeks part 2 Q and A has issues on all my Macs running Safari. This ione is fine again.
I'm a HUGE fan of the element fire extinguishers. My 3.6 VR6 Corrado's spal fans caused the fan circuit on the fusebox to overheat and burn the fuse which then started burning relays on the fusebox. I pulled over and lit up my E100 extinguisher and put out the fire. The E100 lasted for what seemed like an eternity. The cleanup was minimal thank goodness.
I redid the wiring for the fan and did a lot of other wiring clean up to improve the swap and all is good again. SO HAPPY I had an element behind the driverseat. I now carry two Element extinguishers in the Corrado, one is incase someone else needs that I'm driving with and the second is incase I need one on the way home from that. If you need two you are SOL.😅
That sounds like an amazing engine swap. Hopefully it doesn't try to self immolate again!
Oldsmobile was the division that introduced new ideas and technologies: The third brake light debuted on a Toronado, as did FWD on a large car; The Aurora, The Alero were forward leaning in design.
OHV V8, diesel, automatic???
Cord Phaeton enters the chat - disputes claim about first large fwd car - by 37 years - even in just Murrrca. 1929 Cord stifles giggle at "third brake light" claim, when reminding others it features the C.V. joint.
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Wow, that Trofeo ad was amazing. Amazing they got the Belafonte family appear.
Jason just can't help slipping back into the accent he used in the video when describing the Fiero.
Spent 15 years in a specialty tire shop/tuning/general repairs. I always asked “what number can we reach you if there’s a fire” to get the correct contact info. Best answer “if the car catches fire you push it outside the garage and wait 20 minutes before calling the fire department.” He was right. Last thing I want is a car with partial fire damage.
My dad helped GM rewrite the recall repair process in the 80's. He figured out a way to fit in two rebuilds a day compared to the day, or day and a half that it was supposed to require. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 #Big brain #200IQ
We had a gentleman doing perimeter patrol in a Jeep. What I was told was that he ran out of things to play with, and he managed to set off the fire extinguisher while driving. It was a foam fire extinguisher, he almost drowned.
There are specific procedures to set all the CEL registers... I've been successful following those for a smog test on both E46 M3s and Ferrari 360s in 10s of miles rather than thousands. The key is to get the official instructions rather than internet opinions... and yes they are bizarre and challenging to do properly on public roads so early mornings are often the best time.
So my senior class was assigned an analysis of the pinto case in our business ethics class. I submitted a paper on Crown Victoria's doing the same things and killing cops 30 years later for much the same reason. Got an A despite not doing the assignment.
I live for this podcast every monday
My wife walked by and commented " Is that someone's basement they do this from". lmao Grerat show gentlemen!!!
Love the episode and the Fiero episode was great. Such in depth conversation and car history.
Funnily enough, I’m pretty sure the Toyota Mr2 was also originally conceived in order to get better fuel economy as well.
I was a college student in 1984, looking to buy my first new car. I thought the Fiero looked pretty cool, so I went to check it out. When I saw the minuscule storage spots, nothing that could be called a trunk or frunk, I knew it was too impractical to take stuff to and from college. I ended up buying… a Ford EXP! I loved the way it looked, in the context of the day, and I could get so much stuff in that hatchback!
That phone call thing happened to me at work, I get to use a Mercedes Sprinter van to deliver with, and twice I have hit the sos button. Each time a German lady started talking to me.
Yessssss one more episode
I just finished this episode, go to change my oil and find that my car had a teeny tiny engine bay fire. I feel the universe is trying to tell me something.
No fkn way! Hyphen listens to WTYP! That is quite te crossover between 2 of my favourite podcasts
Never would have guessed Hyphen was a WTYP fan.
@@tsi92awd yeah, considering 'train good, car bad'.... Well then again, here we are as well 😅
Table fire took out the chandelier! Or, the explosion blew the garage door off and sent it across the street. You have a package delivery! LMAO!
Jason, apparently your voice is close enough to mine to mess with Siri. When you asked your phone to call Hyphen, mine answered and tried to do it! 🤣
Jason, I know the most recent QA is over but I would love to know what automotive books you have picked up along the way that you would recommend. Your knowledge is very impressive
I'm not Jason but I can try and help you.
Just the other week I bought "The Car Book" 2022 and "The Story of The Car" 2022 by DK. Fabulous 2 books, next one I'm gonna buy Classic Porsche 911 Buyer's guide (1965-1998) by Randy Leffingwell. Hope I helped you in guiding.
@@DogZy9 Thank you! I appreciate it
Oldsmobile was their volume mid-priced brand. It was somewhat aspirational, and generally more acceptable to middle class buyers, while Chevrolets were generally geared towards working class buyers. Think Chevrolet being Nissan or Hyundai, while Olds was Honda or Toyota. Buick was ostensibly a bit more upscale, one step down the ladder from Cadillac. Oldsmobile also tended to crib styling cues from Cadillac and often shared dealerships. In the late 80’s the divisions gained a lot more clarity. Pontiac dig deep into sportiness, Buick figured out they could corner the market on the elderly and they doubled down there. The middle class professional base of Oldsmobile traded their Cutlasses en masse for Accords, and eventually that’s why it was killed.
I think, the two main reasons EV fires get more attention is 1: that they are (most of the time) harder to extinguish. If the battery is full, you most likely can't extinguish it at all, but have to wait. Sure there are ideas of piercing the battery and flooding it's internals with water, or submerging the whole car in water for 3 days. But for both you need utensils and space you don't with ice cars. And the fumes that are created by battery fires seem worse too.
And reason #2: Everybody and their child knows how fuel smells. And in most cases smell indicates that there's a potential for a fire with an ice car.
I think you don't really get such a warning with EV's. Sure you can "smell Ampere" as we called it in engineering school, but then it is probably already too late.
(For a few years electrical assisted bycicles are the thing where i live, and each month there are several of them going up in flames and often igniting peoples homes or garages with them. This also makes people think twice, as the battery and chargin is basically the same as with EV's)
35:30 It's also the way in which they chose what components would be "green".
Nissan had serious issues with some of the Maximas catching fire, there were small rubber fuel lines between the injectors and the fuel rail. With a few years of age and underhood heat, high pressure fuel leaks would occur.
They build fire extinguisher switches into a Testa Rossa? Real statement of confidence there.
Take a shot everytime the "self-recycling E36 interior" comes uP
You'll have to take like 5 shots across 75 episodes. 🤣🤣
Thanks for setting Siri off on my Mac at 7:00 in 😂
Take it from a old Vanagon owner. Look into Blazecut style fire extinguishers for the engine compartment.
Passive fire control should be in all these risky engine compartments.
The thumbnail for this and the Pontiac fiero video that just dropped on hagerty are basically identical
I love how the clapping was outsourced.
The 4.3 V6 was around in 84. My grandmother's 84 Caprice had one. And it was slow as shit, even going downhill.
Surprised the late 90s/early 2000s ford master cylinder fire issue did not come up. I think it was something like 10 million cars that were impacted by the recall.
I didn't catch that it was Thomas doing the voice the first time
Jason I want you to know that you set off my siri who then proceeded to not do anything for 30 seconds. LOL
To answer the GM Brand Placement Question:
Chevrolet was the entry level/working man's car.
Pontiac was the Performance Division.
Oldsmobile was the Technology Brand.
Buick was the Proven Technology/Affordable Luxury Brand (think Doctors and small business owners.)
Cadillac was the Opulent Luxury Brand.
The Idea that Jason Camisa starts to hate a certain race based on the race of his phone assistant is so stupid is makes me laugh.
I am pleased, but not surprised, to learn hyphen is an occasional WYTP viewer (even though it's just a podcast, but you see, it has slides)
Generally, I would say that Jason is right in saying that Derek should have used "are" when mentioning the sponsor because the subject of the sentence is plural: "This and perhaps other episodes... _are_ brought to you by Reliable Carriers."
But if the sentence is written weirdly, like so:
"This-and perhaps other episodes of _The Carmudgeon Show,_ which is part of the Hagerty Podcast Network-is brought to you by Reliable Carriers."
then it is not incorrect. It's not well-written, but it's not incorrect. A wiser choice, I think, would have been simply to say "This episode of _The Carmudgeon Show_ ..."
Derek is absolutely incorrect in saying that the word "many" is singular.
Countable nouns
Subarus exhaust manifold also pretty bad for having oil just drip on it.. mainly from cam seals and occasionally valve cover seals.. Fun Fact, I drove my EJ205 100k kms with leaking cam seals and not one fire.. but just a lot of oil smell!
Shout out to the 6000STE. I have a strange desire for that terrible car. Also thanks to D-Tam for the "Well There's Your Problem" podcast recommendation.
how do I become as fit AND knowledgable as DTS tho...
Can anyone explain battery monitors for me? I daily drive my car and don't live in a smog state. Last time my battery died all I had to do was to jump it?
Has Derek considered studying show seals for ways to more effectively clap?
My 79 beetle cabrio caught fire, engine bay, I had an extinguisher. No good though cos you can't open the engine lid it is too hot of course.
It was fuel injection btw; sob...
Mhm first gen MR-2 also used an existing front suspension from Toyota as far as I know, like Jason's statement.
26:25 Carmudgeon and wtyp crossover podcast? Now that's what I wanna see
*Are is correct
As a Michigander, yes, we sound like that.
Pre 2001 OBD2 cars didn't have the computing power to run accurate self-tests, that's why they need to be run on the dyno, though the dyno test is not very accurate. Getting monitors to re-run can be a bitch, but if it's taking months, there's usually a problem, and it can be quite difficult to troubleshoot. The O.E.'s aren't very helpful and since the monitors haven't run, no trouble codes. I haven't done Smog Checks in a few years, but IIRC some of the dynos have a drive cycle programmed in. Paying a tech to run through the full cycle would be really expensive.
NYS iemission testing is every year. I looked at an Elise but neither of my code readers would connect or read codes. I passed on buying since it had a Lotus supplied ECU that changed when the cams shifted and I figured I'd never get it through NYS inspection.
Imagine a flat-6 FWD Porsche hot hatch. The Foxster?
I get that you would be nervous about an old school trickle charger, but you are also nervous about "smart" chargers like Ctek? I've had four of them for like 10 years and they have been awesome. Make the batteries last forever too.
Interesting that your friends m3 took 8000 miles to reset. That’s definitely not normal. Mine took about 300 miles to reset.
Thee was no 'Volt issue.' There was a problem with the LG-supplied batteries, and it effected relatively few vehicles in the real world - certainly not as many as Teslas bursting into flames.
E60 5 series had problems with battery fires, not E90😉
> Well there's your problem
*Angry Lazerpig noises*
aircraft tend to use Halon 1301 (iirc) bottle to extinguish engine fires. why isn't this the chemical of choice for car fires?
There’s no way I’m using anything other than a Halon extinguisher on my car. No messy powder.
Legislation is a net negative I dont know what you mean. Cars are more expensive to engineer today than 20 years ago, even though we dont get more stuff. We get worse stuff.
How is many singular. Is that a tax exemption. I have many cars and just one :)
I live in Sweden, EU. You have no idea how often we get blinded by dumb-asses with laser headlights, mostly new Tesla/Audi/Volvo. Competely unaware, surprised at my flashing back at them. They dont ”dip” until 100m ahead of you. I HATE MATRIX LASER HEADLIGHTS!!! Like automomous driving: supposedly intelligent but in reality dumb.
It’s the most stupid new idea and I CANT BELIEVE how it got legislated.
Except the GM squarebodies required you to leave the cap off the filler neck and insert a pyrotechnic device in it to make it explode.😀
I wonder what would a $100k Cavalier be like🤔🤔🤔
Here in Argentina "fiero" means ugly. Spanish is problematic.
Do you want to know why Mitsubishi Pajero's name was changed here? 😂
Funny. There is a Romanian football player named Ciprian Marica that played in Spain at some point in his career. They wrote Ciprian on his shirt and not his last name, as they usually do.
I WANT AN ELEMENT
Jason, you activated Siri on my phone. Does this mean we're brothers now?
Trofeo!!!! Trofeeeeeeoooo!!!
Love wtyp shout out lol, I bet they’d have a field day with GM’s engineering failures
“The Germans are pyros, they love burning stuff!” Could be very not PC taken out of context…
DTS description of a pitch to the DOT for the.concept of a motorbike.. Still 😂😂😂.. Sent to all my organ donor friends...
7:18 please piss them off
Many is singular? Uh....
Your accent is an Up North or Wisconsin accent. Not a Michigan accent, especially not a Detroit one lol
Modern V12 Lambo's catch on fire too, especially when morons over rev them while parked in order to show off. And don't forget Tesla, they also catch on fire, a lot.
Strangely Jason I’d say for once you’re actually being a fanny! 🙀
Battery as you call them “tenders” are perfect provided the plug is fitted with the correct size fuse……..
1) only use CTEK battery conditions not cheap crap! Strangely that is why they come with certain brand cars!
(Bentley and Porsche well Porsche sell them of course lol!)
2) I’ve left one connected for a decade, checked every now and again plus extinguishers in my garage just in case when working on it cos car and fire yeah no thanks!🙀 and guess what I now have a two decade old perfect Ford of all things battery that is still in perfect condition🤷♂️🤣
Omg that Oldsmobile add is the corporate equivalent of black face 😂
So, I feel like you guys glazed over the elephant in the room which is EV fires, or rather the intensity of them. You basically just said, oh yeah they're cars so it happens to the bolt and volt. However it seems that many first responders are fighting these fires with north of 10,000 gallons of water, and the fires are prone to re-ignition. Clearly the battery size and chemistry is a massive hurdle that regular ICE cars don't have. I'm not saying I'm against EV's for this reason, but it ties into your point Jason that like a battery tender, these vehciles are plugged in to charge overnight like a cellphone and have the potential for a lot to go wrong. Whoever can solve this problem for the industry is going to make a lot of money.
Also, in response to exotics catching on fire, I feel like it's probably because of packaging. Exotics are constrained by their tight packaging which likely brings hotter components closer to flamable ones.
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Please turn down the low freq levels for the next episode; Jason is boomy AF, this week.
DITTO
imagine making a gender neutral voice without any point of reference! The time we live today XD
Probably sounds like a castrated woman. I don't ever want to hear that
In italian FIERO means PROUD, not fuoco. Cheers from Italy.