Well if you think about it, Japanese actually make totally brutal machines in any space. Totally love my Toyota Rav4 as well! I actually don't buy german cars anymore.
The "RPM ceiling" of the Rebel has a simple reason I got told by a Honda-Dealer yesterday: Honda usually caps the accessable power of their engines (car and bike) at 80% to keep their engines run longer and more reliable, so basically the redline on a Honda is still not really stressing the engine
Well to a degree that's true, but it's been lowered even further from the Africa Twin, which is already a very easy-going engine that has been engineered to give less potential performance, for the sake of reliability and being able to run on shitty fuel you find in remote parts of the world. The Rebel hasn't had its rev limit lowered even further for the sake of longevity and reliability, the engine is perfectly fine for that job already. They've made changes so that its entire power delivery is different, more of it available down low and at speeds that are more common for cruise style riding rather than offroad/highway bashing.
It's probably because the power is at a much lower rpm due to a cam change and other variables would be my guess. That or perhaps they removed/reduced the size of a secondary harmonic balance shaft to give it more "character" and lowered the "comfortable rpm limit" in kind. Stories like "only goes to 80% for engine longevity" etc IMO scream urban legend. The engines spend such little time up there, and the whole idea that the rotating assembly will be under duress past the redline but fine below just doesn't make sense...at least from an engineering standpoint. So thinks this engineer anyhow. PS. Lugging an engine can be just as if not more damaging to the rod bearings than over spinning it.
I don’t get why manufacturers are not making a bike with both heritage looks and performance, I love the looks of cruisers but I hate fighting them on the corner, I hate scraping pegs, I hate to bottom out my suspension because it only have 2” of travel and overpaying for it. Its hard to believe that a “heritage” bike costs more than a fully featured bike.
I think people would be more forgiving of Harleys if it wasn’t for their premium-price reputation, or if they had a higher perceived value proposition other than looking cool and having expensive metal parts.
I’m gonna be honest. I might be alone on this but Y’all talk about aesthetics, and when y’all turned around face to face on the go pro, Whitney on the Honda looked pretty cool. I actually dig the style of the rebel
I think YOU BOTH are confused ! The Indian was made for people who like Nostalgia, but do not want to buy a Harley Davidson. The Honda Rebel was made for the New Generation, and THEY EXPECT Performance, Comfort, and Convinience... NOT EXCUSES !!!
The problem with brands like Harley and Indian is that when they design a motorcycle, they come up with a pricetag to match the bike's image rather than its parts, and then they just add whatever parts they feel are "just good enough" to keep that image alive. That means shitty suspension and brakes, poor material choices in many areas, limited innovation, old parts, and a whole lot of compromises - but these compromises are still chosen because they don't directly violate that cruiser mindset. But when you add up all the parts and look at the overall picture, especially when considering new customer segments, this is a recipe for digging one's own grave. Honda made a concept, then matched the pricetag to the parts they deemed necessary for that future customer segment. Not the other way around. You don't have to pay a premium just to buy into a "lifestyle product". You don't have to pay a premium for a name or a "feeling" which inevitably makes many compromises overall on the sheer lack of current-day value per part used. You don't have to pay a premium and then be lured into buying new parts for upgrades because "it's just a part of of owning this kinda bike". You don't have to pay a premium for objectively poorer-than-average reliability. Basically Honda is just selling you a bike, like any other, except it happens to be a cruiser style. It doesn't take itself too seriously, and it doesn't expect you to do so either - and that is a strong selling point when your target is customers that are not swayed by companies that brand themselves on concepts like "Heritage and lifestyle" instead of just making a product that sells itself.
“Heritage” is the same nonsense that has active duty sailors still in this day wearing WOOL UNIFORMS with a gigantic flap full of buttons in the pants that sailors in wooden ship days wore, but still wearing them on ships with friggin thermonuclear reactors for engines. A hopeless pining for heritage holds everything back. FTN
Damn you nailed it in all aspects. Been shopping for 3 months now between the Indian Scout Bobber, HD Sporter S and the Rebel 1100 and been having a really hard time picking one. Can’t justify being told by the HD dealer that I won’t leave the dealer with the Sporster S for less then $20K it’s a huge turn off. Indian Scout Bobber looks amazing and sounds amazing but having to pay $12.999 just to have ABS is ridiculous. Not to mention the 2025 Indian scout bobber comes in 3 different trims. Basically one with most of the gadgets like the rebel will put you at $17K. But damn the bobber looks amazing. But at the end might go with Rebel as the most affordable for what you get.
@@Slopes27 I have the same problem, aesthetically I want a Scout Sixty Bobber, but if I add 4 extras (digital indicators, passenger seat, and passenger backrest), I end up at 17k. However, the same in the Rebel doesn’t even reach 15k, and on top of that, it has better components than the Indian. Common sense tells me to go for the Rebel, but the Indian is beautiful.
Ho hum ... let's can the 'Grandpa' stereo-typing. One ride on the Rebel 1100 and I couldn't trade in my Honda Shadow 750 fast enough. I'll be 75 this summer and I know what I want in a bike: reliability, versatility and fun!
I mean, they aren’t wrong. Most grandpa aged dudes I know want a bike to “recapture the feeling of rebellious youth” in which they find riding a harley or Indian to the bar and back to be the vehicle of choice. The other 20% hop on goldwings to actually go ride and throw thousands upon thousands of miles down to tour.
That rebel is a no brainer, tried and true engine, legendary quality, low maintenance, and don’t tell me a bike that feels crappy in a corner is a good thing no matter what style bike it is.
As somebody who owns the scout bobber and used to daily a 97 honda magna. Its really not the suspension its really a problem with the tire size in the front thats what makes it harder to corner. Its like comparing a busa vs a R6 they are the same-ish style bike but have different intended riders. The scout feels extremely good on long hauls and a rebel 500 not so much because of its front tire. You get pushed in the wind quite a noticable amount more than on a scout. Its just the inertia working against it in a corner
@@robertdrawdy3749 I had a 1994 and then a 2002 Honda Magna and I really regret selling them. I now have a 2011 Triumph Speedmaster and that bike is a slug compared to the Magna. Thank God I also have a 2012 cb1000r for fun riding.
@@jamesmoulson9854 ueah turned one into a bobber and sold it then recently bought another and i hated myself after i sold the first one... So im keeping it. Its only the 750 tho
Does it feel crappy in a corner though? I've ridden a bunch of different bikes and the Scout is a ton of fun. I never felt like I had problems braking, turning, or with bumps in the road. Do some bikes do those things better, yes, but for me the Scout is faster, more comfortable, and better looking than the Rebel. No issues over the last two years, so we'll see how Indian's reliability is.
I agree nicholas. But to make these bike video's they have to get technical these day's. Since i'm almost (70)y.o., & riding since (16)y.o., I can remember when you appreciated just having a motorcycle w/o all of the bullshit that they load up on these bike's nowaday. Oh for yesturyear's!!! Wished I could go back to the 60's & 70's. By the way; I've had (0) accident's in those 50yrs. Due to a free thing called "common sense". Imagine something for free!! Hum!!! But I do love my 2007 Moto Guzzi! Illinois, U.S.A.
Why dont they make something iconic AND modern then? Oh, wait, there is Harley V-rod, but dumass fanbase rejected it. Thats the problem. Classic bikes lag behind in tech because their audience can't take progress.
I've rode Harleys for the last 30 years with a few silly fast Japanese bikes as secondary toys. Bought a "used" 2018 Scout with 1100 miles on it 2 months ago and I'm almost totally happy with it except for the minimalistic fuel tank. Looked at a lot of different bikes but the Scout put the biggest smile on my face. To each their own that's what it's about, nuff said.
I think we younger generations of motorcycle riders aren’t into the loud pipes of normal cruisers. I believe we’ll likely be seeing a lot more parallel twin cruisers in the future. Younger people that want the cruiser style and comfort don’t want to sacrifice that sporty feeling. We can get the best of both worlds with the parallel twin.
This x2, Always felt that the 270 degree crank parallel twin is the best motor for 90% of street motorcycles. Great sound, easy packaging, doesn't run hot even when air cooled, great power. Vtwin rear cylinders always make the bikes uncomfortable in warm climates (Ducati, Harley).
@@DoctorMotorcycle I have a Triumph Thunderbird Storm with Hogslayer exhaust and she is only loud when twisted. I just like all motorcycles ,if they all had the same personality they wouldn't be as engaging.
Honda already did all this with a v4 in the Magna line its not something limited to a parallel twin and Ducati has shown you can get a comfortable and good handling bike with a v-twin in the older multistradas (i think they just went to a v4 on the upcoming 2022 models).
Also we tend to forget climate change is a thing and prohibitions in sound, emissons, obligatory abs etc. are more common each year, at least in the western world. Boomers be like "pussies we had big loud motorcycles with smoke and less technology and we were happy" like bruh we know, now we have to pay for it. So these things completely affect modern rides and us, with many more years ahead have to take it more seriously in consideration.
@@leoglasmeyer2853 Climate change is a scam. You riding a mildly less efficient bike does nothing to the environment, while the govt and corporations that tax you for emissions and environmental BS pollute 100x more than the population.
It’s a sport cruiser. They are a class of their own. Honda started this with the 83 cx turbos. Even the Yamaha vmax is closer to that rebel than the scout
I've been riding sport bikes and standards ever since I've been into riding. I got my rebel 1100 because it seemed like a cruiser with performance and technology you would normally only find on sport and adv bikes.
You would've been way better off then on a Diavel or Rocket 3. Those are "cruisers" with MUCH better performance and way better aesthetics than this Rebel to transition from sport bikes. I think a Diavel or M109R is next on the list for me
@@sli8462 I agree they're better performing bikes, but I liked the price of the rebel better. If I wanted to spend the money, I would just buy a better sport bike. To be completely honest, if the MT-10 was updated this year, in would have gotten that instead. Love that engine. I don't regret my decision getting the rebel at all though.
I'm actually shopping around for a new bike. The Rebel 1100 and the Scout Bobber are among my top prospects. The Rebel is clearly the better product when it comes to performance, features, and value. My logical brain wants me to get the Rebel. It would take an extra investment in upgrades to get the Scout Bobber to perform closer to where I how I'd like. HOWEVER, the Scout has WAY more style. It's aesthetic is classic and timeless. Even if you think the Rebel is a good looking bike, ask yourself if you could say that several years from now. Just look at some of the dorky looking bikes that came out of earlier decades. Those did not age well. If you put the Scout in a time machine it would look good whether you sent it back in time or forward. Hence my emotional brain wants me to get the Scout. Also, while I am impressed with the tech and features of the Rebel, I find myself wondering when I will actually use them. When will I have a need to change ride modes? It doesn't even rain very much here in Los Angeles. So I'm really torn. All I know is that either choice is better than my Iron 883. lol
Same here man but between the Scout Bobber and the Harley Sporster S. I love the looks of the Bobber but love how the Sporster S has the entire package. 😫😫😫 this is so hard to decide specially when most dealers don’t even let you test drive it.
Seems kinda weird to choose a bike based on speculations about what people will think of it's looks in the coming decades. As for me, I much prefer the aesthetics of the rebel. I think the old(real) scouts are awesome but I don't dig the look of these new ones so much
how do you define value though? If bike A is a great value but it brings you no joy, why would you not go for bike B that might not make some corporate accountant happy, but brings a smile to your face every time you ride it? What if a bike's heritage and pedigree being reflected in their current models IS what someone considers valuable to them? Are they not then getting a bike with great value?
Again a video that states the poor brakes, the poor suspension and the poor tires of the Indian Scout. Please consider that you ride an older version of the scout. I think its a pre 2020 bike... When comparing the Scout to a brand new Honda Rebel 1100 you'd better choose the new version of the scout with improved brakes and suspension and Pirelli NightDragon tires so that the comparison is on the same level, technically. I own the 2021 version of the Scout and sure can tell you that this makes really a difference. Just my 2 cents. Keep up the good work. Cheers from germany :)
I wouldn't want to buy a new bike that still has the 80s technology. If I wanted a heritage bike I'd buy a used one, there's plenty of great old bikes out there. When I buy a brand new bike I expect modern suspension, modern brakes, fuel injection, water cooled engine, cruise control, LED lights, slip clutch. Honda Rebel is a fantastic Neo-cruiser, it's about time for something fresh in the crusty old segment.
That dude is willing to say he likes the scout more and that is all right… Tell about de warrantee of the bikes, accessoires there are for both bikes. If it was my money, I would go for the Honda.
This whole thing feels totally unnecessary. These bikes target very different riders. The Rebel is for someone who appreciates a quality built bike that can be ridden hard down a twisty road and is comfortable enough to go a whole day while not looking like a nerdy Adv bike. The Harley has always been for the "badass" biker "man" who wants to associate with that badass biker image even though the actual bike is garbage by 2021 standards. The Indian Scout is for the hipster who wants a retro bike that doesn't have most of a retro bike's issues but still feels and handles like one.
Exactly, and legendary reliability of Hondas and low maintenance! Also DCT is a massive gamechanger that gives people with physical disabilities or missing limbs a chance to ride again. People liked dynas for a reason, they handled good kinda. I'd like a little more powerful motor in a sporty cruiser though with more comfort for a 6ft+ rider which is why I hope the H2 vulcan from kawi becomes a reality(or a 1k inline 4).
No, you can tell you need gas when the bike starts sputtering while you’re doing highway speeds so that you have to reach under your left leg, find the fuel switch, flip it to reserve, then find a gas station, fill up, REMEMBER to switch back to normal so the next time the bike sputters out of gas you don’t find yourself stranded and needing to hitch a ride to the gas station with a can of gas. Yeah, heritage rocks…
I totally dig how you did the comparison, good job! And I also appreciate Whitney in the videos. She brings a new flavor and a new angle of seeing things. A great asset to the channel!
On the contrary, I think he was prodding her and asking her all the right questions to lead her to offer perspectives. But she was very reluctant and left the viewer without answers to some of those first-person point-of-view impressions.
Thank you. Normally a bike doing many things can mean it doesn't excell at anything, but the Rebel doesn't do worse in any category really. Overall it's just better than the Scout at a lot of things. That isn't bad, and it doesn't mean the bike doesn't know what it wants. It just means it's a cleaner slate for the rider to define what they want their bike to be to them. The bike doesn't define that choice for them. Hence how it is rebellious towards the standardized cruiser approach.
I believe the idea is that it doesn't do any one thing the best and that can kind of feel wonky to ride. Like you aren't as comfy on it as other cruisers, but it doesn't handle as well as a sport bike, it isn't as fast as either.
My wife has the rebel and I have the scout. It pretty much comes down to whether you want that american bike feel or the japanese bike feel. Both are nice but I wouldn't trade with her. Loud n proud
I bought a rebel1100 it’s a good bike but all it did was make me miss my sport bike I’m waiting on my title just so I can get either a gsxr or a ninja or a cbrrrrrr not sure if I used enough es 😂
Just ride and enjoy the view. Don't worry about fitting a group or style label. They have differences and tailor that to your riding style. Interesting to compare, for sure.
Been riding a Scout for nearly 2 years and I don't agree with the criticism about cornering to the degree they make it out to be. Far as I can tell, it just seems like they never built a physical connection with the bike and they're skiddish about leaning it over. In the videos I've seen, they're not even close to pushing that thing... at least not in a corner. Obviously, Yammie put it in yeet mode during the mini-drag race.
I agree,they make it out to be something that cant turn,cant stop,is heavy and only wants to go straight..maybe they need to learn to ride better.. and criticize because it doesnt have ride modes?? Come on now..I should add that Ive had a bobber for over 3 years and I can sure as heck hustle it around.
I have had a 21 Scout Bobber 20 for a little over a month now and I lay it down all over the place I love the hell out of this bike. I'm not going to lie I was thinking about the 1100 but the riding style just not comfy and the bike is ugly.
@@Jefferson-603 nice.. get some upgrades on it I have the Indian performance air box, rcx slip-ons and a reflash from Indian. Also have Metzler Cruz Tech tires, I installed a Barnett clutch and cable, Eagle light headlight and some other stuff. LOL. I've also drag race it and overall just have a blast on it
I find it crazy, that a Triumph simp has not featured the Bobber during these cruiser retro segments. OR for that matter a Speed Twin. In fact, he suggested the Rebel 1100 over the Speed Twin on the Yamcast recently and they couldn't be more different and not comparable in my opinion.
I have a 2022 Scout with aftermarket pipes. My neighbor has the Rebel 1100. We stopped at a stop sign and my friend revved his engine. Then I revved mine with those pipes and it made me laugh. My sound was awesome! His sound was almost un-noticeable. Also, the looks of the Scout with the chrome is awesome! So, I'm glad that I have my Scout!!
Great Video. Getting back on a bike after nearly four decades, I have just bought the Rebel 500 (last Saturday). You never forget how to ride. Being only 5ft 3 ins tall (or short), I needed something with a low seat height, and after extensive research decided the Rebel was the way to go. Maybe in a year or two, when I'm more confident, I'll move up to the 1100, but for now, on UK roads, the 500 seems fine. I don't think we've got the 1100 over here yet, it's only available to pre-order. I can't imagine how the Scout would cope with the fact that there are very few straight roads here in the UK, literally only the motorways. So to stay safe you need a bike that can handle corners with ease.
Welcome back, brother! When the 1100 is available over there, you will not be disappointed. The thrills on this bike give me chills. And when I want to take it easy, it’s comfortable and in command!
I think Indian got the Scout really authentic, right down to the suspension, its hopeless.. but that motor is what makes a cruiser. the Honda is the Toyota of nostalgia.
I much prefer the styling and mid-peg placement of the Rebel. Can never get used to the damn foot forward, toes pointed at the sky pegs most cruisers sport.
Honda at one time did do both - The Magna - V-4, sporty, good in the corners, as well as a great cruising motorcycle. Honda should take another crack a the V-4 boulevard cruiser.
New rider, love technology, scare of the 1100 engine as a newby but like the fact I will not change the 🏍 soon, plus Honda’s reliability I decided for the rebel 1100 for my birthday last week , happy with it, learning every day my limitations using my protective gear, you guys are awesome with the reviews. My wife wants one too!!
Love the sleek muscular looks of my Scout, but not that Rebel 1100, which may be better ride. Style is of great importance to me, so no way do I want a Rebel 1100 over my Scout.
@@cbr500rrradam8 a negligible amount. Scout looks better and def has a higher quality fit and finish. I can't believe honda went w a damn chain though. That was dumb.
Not many people can listen to Spit all the way to the end of a video. Ain’t that the truth. All he does is bash Indian. He’s upset because H-D is slowly dying and Indian is thriving.
You two hardly went faster than 40 mph, so how can you really even evaluate either of them? I would want to know how they feel at 80mph! I’m interested in seeing what a Rebel might look like with a nicer looking chrome exhaust and chrome trimmed rear fender support rails. An accessory seat on the Rebel to accommodate a taller rider would make it even nicer. I would like a chrome headlight trim ring too.
The reason why i would chose a Vulcan S , or Honda rebel , or the scout , is because they are water cooled and that it seems to be a better engine , idk I could be wrong but I want a modern water cooled engine !!!💯💯💯and Harley’s are slow , heavy , and very expensive , like why buy a new Harley , when you could have two rebels or two Vulcan s or two scouts , I know I want two bikes in my garage , when one needs maintenance , I can jump on the other and take my time doing the maintenance on the other 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I agree. H-D should modernize their bikes with water cooled engines that don’t vibrate and shake like crazy. He compares the Scout to the Honda and complains that it lacks rider modes. 😆 What does H-D offer other than a shaky, oily, “lifestyle” and overweight bikes that cost too much?! For heritage styling with quality and reliability I’ll buy Indian, Triumph, and BMW R nine T. Never a Harley.
I bought my first bike in 1990 and was a used Honda shadow 650 or 750 don't quite remember but after less than a week, I took it back because it felt like a tank. They put me on a new Yamaha 1990 Virago 1100 and instantly was the bike for me, it was like driving a sports car. I was in the bike instead of on the bike, huge difference for me. I found someone to make forward controls and I lowered the seat, different pipes, raised the bars an inch, different blinkers and mirrors and also eliminated some weight. Wow! and the Rebel 1100 without haven't ridden it, reminds me of the Virago. Who cares what other people are riding, as long as you're happy? Just have to figure out how to afford on, in the meantime, I'll enjoy the RE Meteor350. Thank you both for the great comparison.😎
As a proud and loud cruiser rider, and Harley owner, the rebel is a very very interesting bike. I really want to test ride one. I love my street bob. I really really do. But there's something about knowing I could easily put a bagillion miles on that Honda and still ride comfortably and relaxed that just speaks to my soul.
I have a scout and I love the thing. I don't have any issues with maneuvering the bike. Maybe I should ride a Rebel to get an idea of what I may be missing.
@@altortugas5979 nah, money talks. I’m guessing if Harley gave them a bike, they’d goes as far as saying they’re the best motorcycle maker on the planet.
With the ultra-subtle 1100 badging, I can see a lot people asking "Oh, you've got a Rebel 500?" They probably should have differentiated its styling a little more. Although it is very solid feeling, it is still more plasticky than any cruiser outside of the Vulcan S.
That's like saying if you roll on with your r1 people will say "oh you're on r3?" rebel 1100 is much bulkier and bigger than rebel 500. You can't really mistake between them if you see it in person. When I was riding my buddy's rebel 1100 most of the people who knew what rebel is were saying "is that the new 1100? cool.."
You got it right in, Newman. Guy trailering a Harley at a gas station said to me, “That’s a Rebel?” You never mistake it for a 500, and the style is so striking it takes people by surprise.
Yes, got the looks. Got the Tech. Sporter than any cruiser, more comfortable then any sports bike. Checks all the boxes, except looks like crap with luggage and a windscreen.
Honda had the magna in 1982. It was a V4 engine in s cruiser frame, similar in looks to the first generation shadows but obviously a different kind of ride with having 2 parallel cylinders and another 2 parallel cylinders at a 90 degree angle in a high revolution engine. It sounded more like a sports bike and ran like a sports bike, with the Magna 1100 being the fastest production motorcycle when it first came out. In fact the same engine was used in the Sabre (a standard bike) and the interceptor (a sports bike) In a way this bike is kinda a similar kind of thing, something outside the box I've ridden the 1100 DCT and i think my dream bike would be the manual version with the added passenger kit, backrest and a small wind shield. Btw my first bike was a weird Korean cruiser with a 125 cc single cylinder engine back in 1994, a Hyosung Cruise 125. Then i had the Magna 750, and i currently ride a Shadow 750.
for scout if in gear and clutch is pulled in and the bike doesn't start then there could be a issue with how clutch cable is set. Happened with my scout
I remember when there was only one kind of motorcycle. The kind that you could afford, that you rode, and didn't worry about anything else. It's peoples mentality and the need to put a label on everything in order to feel "special" that is ruining life in general. That "Indian"s "heritage" only goes as far back as Victory, because regardless of the hype, that's what it is, a warmed over Victory. It has absolutely NO direct lineage to the original Indian motorcycles or any of the original machines accomplishments. Not even motorcycling has managed to escape the bullshit of the modern world. What the hell did I just watch?
Scout Bobber 20 owner here. The rear suspension is the one thing they really missed on. There are aftermarket upgrades but at the price tag it comes at, it should be better stock. It would change the comfort level and that's what a cruiser should consider. The taller mini ape handlebars do wonders for the feel of the bike and I put extended foot controls on mine to feel less cramped. That rear suspension though really makes it feel like your riding a wooden wagon and I think it's unacceptable.
I feel like if the Indian is a heritage cruiser, then the rebel would be a Neo cruiser. And if the rebel copied the sportsters answers to the test, then it got a higher score.
Paul Velez honda didn't copy the sportsters answer to the test, its a different bike. Yamaha is the one who copied the sportster. Vtwin, air-cooled, same minimalistic approach with not much technology. This bike went on a different route and the only thing cruiser in it is the looks and riding position.
Grandad here: I said this in your last video about price. You say that the Rebel is more expensive than the Scout - THAT IS NOT TRUE - The Scout is over $3,000 more than the Rebel. The Scout 60 with ABS is almost $1,000 more than the Rebel. It's not a minor mistake on your part. You need to get this right. Also, if you're going to go head-to-head with a couple of bikes get them out on the highway/freeway where the Rebel puts the Scout to shame.
There's only one reason I want to sell my rebel, and go for a scout. I'm 6' 1", and the Rebel is built for shorter kings & queens... I've owned a 500 for 3 years, and I've taken long road trips which hurt my knees in the semi squat / bent knee position. The stock seat is so bad, and tho I've upgraded to the Mustang Tripper seat which adds an inch, it doesn't do much. I wish Honda had adjustable positions for the controls like the Vulcan has, and was a belt drive. There are forward control kits, but it conflicts with my crash guards. On an Indian, I think the forward positions would feel like a very comfortable mid-ish position for me, and it doesnt conflict with their guards.
The Rebel basically is a modern cruiser. While the Scout may be built today, there is very little modern about it. Its old fashioned, which some people love... and I hate. I took the Rebel quick and never looked back. Love new tech and improvements... heritage is for people who live with nostalgia for yesterday.
Damm right about your last sentence. I'm almost 70y.o. & if I could get in a time machine, I'd be instantly back to the 60's & 70's. This time suck's compared to yesturyear & if you could get in a time machine & go back, you might wish to stay also. Of course everything would have to be worked for & not all of the socialist handouts of nowaday's!!!!!!!
If you don't want to stand out from the crowd and just go down long straight roads the Indian is the bike. If your young or love the twistys and don't care what the one dimension harley riders think then the rebel is the bike you want.
I ride a 2016 Scout, floorboards, metzler tires, bazooka rear shocks and progressive springs with 20w oil in the front. Removed the airbox. I will take the twisty’s and regularly outperform my fellow riders.
Everyone is going bonkers about the Honda Rebel 1100. I start to think the Honda Rebel 500 looks exactly the same, is well adequate, can do nearly everything the 1100 does. The Rebel 500 is a lot cheaper, less complicated and therefore cheaper to maintain and service.
Funny how all Americans are comparing it to other cruisers with v twins, try comparing it to a triumph bobber, come on my American cousins get with the programme🤷🏼♂️
I think the Rebel is for people who want something more comfortable than a sports bike, but doesn't want an adv. Someone who wants the big 4 quality and tech, vs "American Heritage". They're targeting a pretty specific niche, that's not necessarily your average cruiser rider. Whereas Indian is going for Harley's throat, through and through.
I think the Rebel would be a great motorcycle, but I wouldn't be able to get past the cruiser look. Of course we all know that Honda has done the market research and they know who's going to buy this motorcycle and why.
True, although I think the niche extends a bit further than that. A lot of people wouldn't mind owning a cruiser, but are not interested in paying the typical Harley/Indian premium for objectively worse bikes with poorer reliability and maintenance costs. They would ride a cruiser if it was made to the standards of any other 2021 street bike, and at a comparable pricetag. I'm such a guy myself. I love sportsbikes, adventure bikes also, used to ride a naked bike, yet I'm also drawn to cruisers. The only thing that has kept me from getting one thus far, is that the pricepoint and the overall compromises that most cruisers make in the name of "heritage" has just had such bad value in my eyes. Don't want a bike that weighs nearly as much as a small city car, with old (not heritage) performance and mechanical work. The Rebel is perfect because it deals with all the subjects that make most average riders stay clear of cruisers in general. It fixes all the areas where they usually compromise or fall victim to their own brand image shenanigans.
What makes a bike "the best" is if it suits your wants/needs and if you enjoy it. That's the true test, is the bike checking all the boxes for you as the rider. Granted, I've never ridden, I plan to, so I'm just going off of car(cager) experience. That's my 2 cents. Be safe and thanks for the video.
I want the looks of the Scout but i want it to handle like the Rebel. That Scout looks gorgeous but riding a bike that you have to force around corners is no fun
Im 22 years old, ive always been into cars, just recently ive been interested in buying a cruiser, the rebel was the first one that caught my eye, just recently i found the yamaha bolt and i think it looks absolutely beautiful, the scout looks absolutely sick, i think all look amazing but i need something that can give me the best reliability granted it will be my daily going from home to work and back, so far im leaning towards the bolt or rebel 500
In my younger days I enjoyed the sport bikes, but now I prefer the comfort of the cruisers. More specifically, I want the comfort and somewhat of the look of a cruiser with the performance of a sport bike. One thing I hate is that almost every manufacturer thinks they have to have a V-twin in order to be a cruiser. I love the rebel 1100, and the Vulcan S style, finally an off the beaten path cruiser with a more sporty engine. I have had a few Harleys in search of my perfect motorcycle. I started with an Iron 883, did a bunch of upgrades including increasing the engine to 1250. I went to a Low Rider S 114 and even though it was an awesome looking bike, I just never really enjoyed it despite putting a higher revving cam in it. I think its biggest problem was it was just too big and heavy. It spent most of its life in the garage. I eventually sold it and bought another Iron 883. I do also have a 1985 Honda Magna VF700. I have been trying to figure out what mods I want to do to the new Iron 883, and I have decided the best mod would be to sell it and buy a Rebel. Seems like the closest thing to my perfect bike nowadays. I am happy Honda went against the normal V-twin mindset with a parallel twin, but I still want to "rebel" even more. I am still waiting on either Kawasaki or Honda to stick either an inline or V4 in a new cruiser. Kawasaki is pretty close with that Ninja engine in the Vulcan S, seems like all they need to do is stick the Ninja 1000 engine in it and call it a day. I would buy it. Of course Honda has plenty of experience with the V4 in cruisers with the Magna. Whoever comes out with the first new somewhat high-revving 4 cylinder cruiser will get my money. I absolutely love my Magna. That thing is comfortable to ride with the nice cushy seat, pull back handlebars and the stance. It handles great, and has awesome power. Even though it is a 1985, it will hold its own against most modern day cruisers if not put them solidly in the rear-view. That 10.5K RPM redline is definitely un-cruiser, but it will put a permanent grin on about anyone's face. It is a 1985 and parts are almost nonexistent.
I have always thought that Scout looks great with the perfect amount to chrome accents but i wish they made a higher level with better components as cheaping out on tires and suspension is very lame. Also I like a lower profile front tire (like the Rebel) and ideally a bit less heft overall. That said, the Honda looks great and I'd like to ride it one day, but I wish it had just a little bit of color as it looks so dark that I feel it lacks personality. I hope to see both evolve a bit for next model year. As always, thanks for the video.
I think Honda is genius for allowing you to grow as a rider, all through the same platform. Take the MSF and get a Rebel 300 or 500, and then move up to the 1100. After that, if you still wanna go bigger, they have this thing called the GoldWing that I hear is pretty nifty. Ride a Vulcan S myself, and absolutely love it. I’m not a big guy and I’m pushing 60, so I’m not too thrilled with manhandling a big bike through corners (anymore). That Rebel 1100 has me very intrigued though, tbh. Great video.
My wife was looking for a new bike this year. She was upgrading from a buell blast 500 so she had no where to go but up. However we looked at the rebel 1100, the Indian scout AND everything made by Harley we hoped she would fit on. We saw the first rebel 1100 to hit Massachusetts and she was hoping to Fall in love with it because it’s thousands cheaper. However it looks cheaply made full of plastic where the Indian felt like home for her as soon as she sat on it. Add 10 in mini apes and Vance and Hines slash cuts and that thing is a bike I wanna ride! I had 0 interest in the Honda and neither did my wife. We bought a 2021 Indian scout bobber!
The Honda isn’t cheaply made though, it’s got name brand suspension and brakes, and in typical Honda fashion, the Honda feels tight in terms of fit and finish. It doesn’t feel like a piece of iron, or the heritage feel, that most cruiser people like. I love the feel of a sportster, but it needs a little bit of an upgrade to compete nowadays in the current market. I personally like the air cooled v twin, but that’s not what the market is looking for anymore...
@@sleeper.simulant7327 ok first I said looks cheap with all the plastic bolted to it. Feels cheap when sat on. The suspension aside the rest of the bike did nothing for us. 2nd. You're wrong THOUSANDS of riders still looking for air cooled vtwin classic harley machines. However the scout isn't air cooled. Its liquid cooled. Its not a performance cruiser. Its a classic cruiser. There is a huge market for it and indian sold ridiculous numbers this spring already. I love many honda motorcycles. This one is just not one of em.
@@dnice4431 the guys looking at air cooled cruisers aren’t buying sportsters, they’re spending a lot more on Harley soft tails or an Indian Chief..... the sportsters specific class is eons ahead in terms of tech. Again I prefer an air cooled engine myself, and out of the 3 I prefer the feel of the sportster. Suspension definitely is important if you’re like me and live in the north northeast mountains where the roads are curvy and addled with pot holes.
@@sleeper.simulant7327 I am actually. No mountains. But I'm in Massachusetts. No stock suspension on cruisers at least usually do well. I upgrade mine to good stuff. Legends or ohlins
I am an older rider, currently on a NC750X and looking to upgrade. No sweat, I am a Triumph/BMW/Honda kind of guy not a black leather bar-hopping HD biker. Also, I am 5'8" and my NC is a little tall for me. No contest in every category, getting the Rebel 1100 with DCT! Much cheaper and does everything better. Don't care about calling it a cruiser (who cares what label) it is a fantastic standard naked bike that performs well with absolutely no flaws. With DCT it is the last motor I will ever have to buy. Another point, many cruisers are for the "hey look at me" type of rider and I am not that at all. At my age I could care less what style of anything I sport, I just want to be comfortable and sensible.
Heritage is about the looks. Chromed out HD estetic is not for everyone so Honda is doing the right thing. You want technology, reliability and classic look. Honda can deliver on all of them. Rebel is just a modern cruiser.
Just my thoughts and lets start saying I loved HD Sportster. I ride a s40 and the rebel has always being on the back of my head but a 500 was not cut it. Now almost 5 years of Rebel 500 and Honda bring a 1100 mmm. I have a couple years going back and forth between Vulcan 900 and 1200 Sportster, but honest this Honda Rebel is just that I want to scream with it every punk rock I can...
I think it also really depends on your intended use for the bike. For me, My bike is for fun, I already have a comfy car with cruise control and leather seats, and aircon etc. I also have an RX8 which is still plenty fast and great handling. I got a bike to have just as much fun but still at street legal speeds. I like cruisers to take it easy, and to meditate, as it requires 100% focus. Too many gadgets, and I don't think it would appeal to me. Between the Rebel and the Scout, I'm in Scouts territory. My aspirational bike is s scout bobber, even the 60 is fine, as a huge litre plus engine just feels excessive on a bike.
You asked for a 1945 Motorcycle in 2020’s and it shows how much technology has changed in last 70 years and start to appreciate the changes in technology from all these years of improvement!!!!!
Don't miss the Honda Rebel 1100 giveaway!! Go to www.yammienoobmerch.com or www.yammienoob.co
The Scout only dynos at 83 wheel horsepower in real life I know Indian claims 100. The Rebel actually dynos at 87 whp. See what im saying?
The 2017 honda africa twin dynos at 94 whp and 72ftlbs
Royal Enfield Please. Day 2
Get a used Thunderbird 1600/1700 - it is a LOT of bike for $5000.
@BryanMatthew7 Schwabenland I know I just want Yam to finally ride one so he can see it's not "a hunk of junk", like he says.
Japanese manufacturers are killing it.
They are producing amazing bikes with great performance and affordable prices.
natch
Well if you think about it, Japanese actually make totally brutal machines in any space. Totally love my Toyota Rav4 as well! I actually don't buy german cars anymore.
WTF???
Always have been.
@@GraubiGames I also owned a Japanese car!!
Indian scout - "There's a road, let's see where it goes."
Honda rebel - "There's a destination, let's go find it!"
Each one is good for any rider. Cause your on two wheels
WTF???
@@callefalk4457
Hey?
@@clintcarpentier2424 dude probably a fan boy or works for some marketing team.
Could not have put it better. Very poetic.
The "RPM ceiling" of the Rebel has a simple reason I got told by a Honda-Dealer yesterday:
Honda usually caps the accessable power of their engines (car and bike) at 80% to keep their engines run longer and more reliable, so basically the redline on a Honda is still not really stressing the engine
Well to a degree that's true, but it's been lowered even further from the Africa Twin, which is already a very easy-going engine that has been engineered to give less potential performance, for the sake of reliability and being able to run on shitty fuel you find in remote parts of the world. The Rebel hasn't had its rev limit lowered even further for the sake of longevity and reliability, the engine is perfectly fine for that job already. They've made changes so that its entire power delivery is different, more of it available down low and at speeds that are more common for cruise style riding rather than offroad/highway bashing.
It's probably because the power is at a much lower rpm due to a cam change and other variables would be my guess. That or perhaps they removed/reduced the size of a secondary harmonic balance shaft to give it more "character" and lowered the "comfortable rpm limit" in kind. Stories like "only goes to 80% for engine longevity" etc IMO scream urban legend. The engines spend such little time up there, and the whole idea that the rotating assembly will be under duress past the redline but fine below just doesn't make sense...at least from an engineering standpoint. So thinks this engineer anyhow.
PS. Lugging an engine can be just as if not more damaging to the rod bearings than over spinning it.
I don’t get why manufacturers are not making a bike with both heritage looks and performance, I love the looks of cruisers but I hate fighting them on the corner, I hate scraping pegs, I hate to bottom out my suspension because it only have 2” of travel and overpaying for it. Its hard to believe that a “heritage” bike costs more than a fully featured bike.
The shape of a cruiser limits the ability to make it perform more like a sport bike
Yamaha tried to walk that thin line b'twn Cruiser bike styling and sport bike performance with the original Virago.
Spite: Harley Davidson is holding back motorcycles with old school tech
Royal Enfield: 🤐
Yes but Royal enfield makes it cool to ride non-tech motorcycles, harley davidson is just lacking
Royal Enfield doesn't charge you an arm and a leg to enjoy that old-school tech.
Compared to Japanese and European bikes... HD Is old school! 🤣
@@mervinmcdougall8854 They also don't blow up like they're made in China.
I think people would be more forgiving of Harleys if it wasn’t for their premium-price reputation, or if they had a higher perceived value proposition other than looking cool and having expensive metal parts.
I’m gonna be honest. I might be alone on this but Y’all talk about aesthetics, and when y’all turned around face to face on the go pro, Whitney on the Honda looked pretty cool. I actually dig the style of the rebel
i honestly can't believe that you and other 67 persons prefer the look of that....thing....to the scout. My brain can't process it
@@elite_eight4486 where did I say it was better than the scout? I hope you can reconcile these feelings within you someday. Godspeed
@@elite_eight4486 ever ride one?
@@MrSwitchblade327 i have the scout, why the hell should i want to ride that 😂😂🤢
The Harley sport glide looked awesome, but this Indian looks soooo old compared to it and especially compared to the Honda.
I think YOU BOTH are confused ! The Indian was made for people who like Nostalgia, but do not want to buy a Harley Davidson. The Honda Rebel was made for the New Generation, and THEY EXPECT Performance, Comfort, and Convinience... NOT EXCUSES !!!
The problem with brands like Harley and Indian is that when they design a motorcycle, they come up with a pricetag to match the bike's image rather than its parts, and then they just add whatever parts they feel are "just good enough" to keep that image alive. That means shitty suspension and brakes, poor material choices in many areas, limited innovation, old parts, and a whole lot of compromises - but these compromises are still chosen because they don't directly violate that cruiser mindset. But when you add up all the parts and look at the overall picture, especially when considering new customer segments, this is a recipe for digging one's own grave.
Honda made a concept, then matched the pricetag to the parts they deemed necessary for that future customer segment. Not the other way around. You don't have to pay a premium just to buy into a "lifestyle product". You don't have to pay a premium for a name or a "feeling" which inevitably makes many compromises overall on the sheer lack of current-day value per part used. You don't have to pay a premium and then be lured into buying new parts for upgrades because "it's just a part of of owning this kinda bike". You don't have to pay a premium for objectively poorer-than-average reliability.
Basically Honda is just selling you a bike, like any other, except it happens to be a cruiser style. It doesn't take itself too seriously, and it doesn't expect you to do so either - and that is a strong selling point when your target is customers that are not swayed by companies that brand themselves on concepts like "Heritage and lifestyle" instead of just making a product that sells itself.
“Heritage” is the same nonsense that has active duty sailors still in this day wearing WOOL UNIFORMS with a gigantic flap full of buttons in the pants that sailors in wooden ship days wore, but still wearing them on ships with friggin thermonuclear reactors for engines. A hopeless pining for heritage holds everything back. FTN
Damn you nailed it in all aspects. Been shopping for 3 months now between the Indian Scout Bobber, HD Sporter S and the Rebel 1100 and been having a really hard time picking one. Can’t justify being told by the HD dealer that I won’t leave the dealer with the Sporster S for less then $20K it’s a huge turn off. Indian Scout Bobber looks amazing and sounds amazing but having to pay $12.999 just to have ABS is ridiculous. Not to mention the 2025 Indian scout bobber comes in 3 different trims. Basically one with most of the gadgets like the rebel will put you at $17K. But damn the bobber looks amazing. But at the end might go with Rebel as the most affordable for what you get.
@@Slopes27 I have the same problem, aesthetically I want a Scout Sixty Bobber, but if I add 4 extras (digital indicators, passenger seat, and passenger backrest), I end up at 17k.
However, the same in the Rebel doesn’t even reach 15k, and on top of that, it has better components than the Indian.
Common sense tells me to go for the Rebel, but the Indian is beautiful.
Ho hum ... let's can the 'Grandpa' stereo-typing. One ride on the Rebel 1100 and I couldn't trade in my Honda Shadow 750 fast enough. I'll be 75 this summer and I know what I want in a bike: reliability, versatility and fun!
I mean, they aren’t wrong. Most grandpa aged dudes I know want a bike to “recapture the feeling of rebellious youth” in which they find riding a harley or Indian to the bar and back to be the vehicle of choice. The other 20% hop on goldwings to actually go ride and throw thousands upon thousands of miles down to tour.
Guys, I think we are all forgetting that Honda has delivered a legendary sporty cruiser quite some decades ago... it's called the Magna!
A new magna would get me and my checkbook into a dealer immediately. My old VF is gettin’ tired!
Those v4’s put the power down
I wanted a modern Magna so I bought the Rebel 1100. I love it but it's not exactly what I was looking for so keeping my '85 V45 Magna!
Shit my 97 magna is still more sporty in a corner than a rebel 500. And the magna is damn near 540lbs. I still ride her and my scout bobber
WTF???
That rebel is a no brainer, tried and true engine, legendary quality, low maintenance, and don’t tell me a bike that feels crappy in a corner is a good thing no matter what style bike it is.
As somebody who owns the scout bobber and used to daily a 97 honda magna. Its really not the suspension its really a problem with the tire size in the front thats what makes it harder to corner. Its like comparing a busa vs a R6 they are the same-ish style bike but have different intended riders. The scout feels extremely good on long hauls and a rebel 500 not so much because of its front tire. You get pushed in the wind quite a noticable amount more than on a scout. Its just the inertia working against it in a corner
@@robertdrawdy3749 I had a 1994 and then a 2002 Honda Magna and I really regret selling them. I now have a 2011 Triumph Speedmaster and that bike is a slug compared to the Magna. Thank God I also have a 2012 cb1000r for fun riding.
@@jamesmoulson9854 ueah turned one into a bobber and sold it then recently bought another and i hated myself after i sold the first one... So im keeping it. Its only the 750 tho
WTF???
Does it feel crappy in a corner though?
I've ridden a bunch of different bikes and the Scout is a ton of fun. I never felt like I had problems braking, turning, or with bumps in the road. Do some bikes do those things better, yes, but for me the Scout is faster, more comfortable, and better looking than the Rebel.
No issues over the last two years, so we'll see how Indian's reliability is.
Any bike that is comfortable for me can be cruised hell my 150cc is comfortable to ride not the fastest but I like it
......yep, get on and ride. I had a lot of fun on my 1980/81 DT175 back in the day.....and still would today.
WTF???
I agree nicholas. But to make these bike video's they have to get technical these day's. Since i'm almost (70)y.o., & riding since (16)y.o., I can remember when you appreciated just having a motorcycle w/o all of the bullshit that they load up on these bike's nowaday. Oh for yesturyear's!!! Wished I could go back to the 60's & 70's. By the way; I've had (0) accident's in those 50yrs. Due to a free thing called "common sense". Imagine something for free!! Hum!!! But I do love my 2007 Moto Guzzi! Illinois, U.S.A.
I agree!
Yep, out of all my motorbikes, my Honda Monkey makes me smile the most.
Insert Ryan F9's "because it's iconic" line
That video he made was great.
"And that is something to be proud of"
WTF???
@@callefalk4457 ???
Why dont they make something iconic AND modern then? Oh, wait, there is Harley V-rod, but dumass fanbase rejected it. Thats the problem. Classic bikes lag behind in tech because their audience can't take progress.
I've rode Harleys for the last 30 years with a few silly fast Japanese bikes as secondary toys. Bought a "used" 2018 Scout with 1100 miles on it 2 months ago and I'm almost totally happy with it except for the minimalistic fuel tank. Looked at a lot of different bikes but the Scout put the biggest smile on my face. To each their own that's what it's about, nuff said.
Call the Rebel a Roadster instead of a cruiser, it might make more sense that way.
The comparison i was looking for!! Thanks!! Purchasing the Rebel 1100 in a while. :)
I think we younger generations of motorcycle riders aren’t into the loud pipes of normal cruisers. I believe we’ll likely be seeing a lot more parallel twin cruisers in the future. Younger people that want the cruiser style and comfort don’t want to sacrifice that sporty feeling. We can get the best of both worlds with the parallel twin.
This x2, Always felt that the 270 degree crank parallel twin is the best motor for 90% of street motorcycles. Great sound, easy packaging, doesn't run hot even when air cooled, great power. Vtwin rear cylinders always make the bikes uncomfortable in warm climates (Ducati, Harley).
@@DoctorMotorcycle I have a Triumph Thunderbird Storm with Hogslayer exhaust and she is only loud when twisted.
I just like all motorcycles ,if they all had the same personality they wouldn't be as engaging.
Honda already did all this with a v4 in the Magna line its not something limited to a parallel twin and Ducati has shown you can get a comfortable and good handling bike with a v-twin in the older multistradas (i think they just went to a v4 on the upcoming 2022 models).
Also we tend to forget climate change is a thing and prohibitions in sound, emissons, obligatory abs etc. are more common each year, at least in the western world. Boomers be like "pussies we had big loud motorcycles with smoke and less technology and we were happy" like bruh we know, now we have to pay for it. So these things completely affect modern rides and us, with many more years ahead have to take it more seriously in consideration.
@@leoglasmeyer2853 Climate change is a scam. You riding a mildly less efficient bike does nothing to the environment, while the govt and corporations that tax you for emissions and environmental BS pollute 100x more than the population.
It’s a sport cruiser. They are a class of their own. Honda started this with the 83 cx turbos. Even the Yamaha vmax is closer to that rebel than the scout
Also the 80s honda magma, I’d love to find one of those in good condition
I've been riding sport bikes and standards ever since I've been into riding. I got my rebel 1100 because it seemed like a cruiser with performance and technology you would normally only find on sport and adv bikes.
You would've been way better off then on a Diavel or Rocket 3. Those are "cruisers" with MUCH better performance and way better aesthetics than this Rebel to transition from sport bikes. I think a Diavel or M109R is next on the list for me
@@sli8462 I agree they're better performing bikes, but I liked the price of the rebel better. If I wanted to spend the money, I would just buy a better sport bike.
To be completely honest, if the MT-10 was updated this year, in would have gotten that instead. Love that engine. I don't regret my decision getting the rebel at all though.
@@MrBeardedgelfling never really checked out the bonneville, looks like the old standard bikes I used to ride.
WTF??
@@callefalk4457 what?
I'm actually shopping around for a new bike. The Rebel 1100 and the Scout Bobber are among my top prospects. The Rebel is clearly the better product when it comes to performance, features, and value. My logical brain wants me to get the Rebel. It would take an extra investment in upgrades to get the Scout Bobber to perform closer to where I how I'd like. HOWEVER, the Scout has WAY more style. It's aesthetic is classic and timeless. Even if you think the Rebel is a good looking bike, ask yourself if you could say that several years from now. Just look at some of the dorky looking bikes that came out of earlier decades. Those did not age well. If you put the Scout in a time machine it would look good whether you sent it back in time or forward. Hence my emotional brain wants me to get the Scout. Also, while I am impressed with the tech and features of the Rebel, I find myself wondering when I will actually use them. When will I have a need to change ride modes? It doesn't even rain very much here in Los Angeles. So I'm really torn. All I know is that either choice is better than my Iron 883. lol
What’d you get?
Same here man but between the Scout Bobber and the Harley Sporster S. I love the looks of the Bobber but love how the Sporster S has the entire package. 😫😫😫 this is so hard to decide specially when most dealers don’t even let you test drive it.
Seems kinda weird to choose a bike based on speculations about what people will think of it's looks in the coming decades.
As for me, I much prefer the aesthetics of the rebel. I think the old(real) scouts are awesome but I don't dig the look of these new ones so much
Don't purchase things because of their history, purchase them because they are great value.
how do you define value though? If bike A is a great value but it brings you no joy, why would you not go for bike B that might not make some corporate accountant happy, but brings a smile to your face every time you ride it? What if a bike's heritage and pedigree being reflected in their current models IS what someone considers valuable to them? Are they not then getting a bike with great value?
@@johnjohnson5496 he was obviously referring to performance/tech
@@bruhwhat7863 and?
WTF???
Kinda ignoring the fact that people value heritage.
I always feel that I'm thinking about some motorcycle topic and yammie noob always releases a video about the topic 20min later
Again a video that states the poor brakes, the poor suspension and the poor tires of the Indian Scout. Please consider that you ride an older version of the scout. I think its a pre 2020 bike... When comparing the Scout to a brand new Honda Rebel 1100 you'd better choose the new version of the scout with improved brakes and suspension and Pirelli NightDragon tires so that the comparison is on the same level, technically. I own the 2021 version of the Scout and sure can tell you that this makes really a difference. Just my 2 cents. Keep up the good work. Cheers from germany :)
Still pathetic they released such a POS bike in 2020
@@EazyDuz18 it's not 2020 did you read the comment. He said PRE 2020
@@Rokkerhead still a POS regarding of year
I wouldn't want to buy a new bike that still has the 80s technology. If I wanted a heritage bike I'd buy a used one, there's plenty of great old bikes out there. When I buy a brand new bike I expect modern suspension, modern brakes, fuel injection, water cooled engine, cruise control, LED lights, slip clutch. Honda Rebel is a fantastic Neo-cruiser, it's about time for something fresh in the crusty old segment.
That dude is willing to say he likes the scout more and that is all right… Tell about de warrantee of the bikes, accessoires there are for both bikes. If it was my money, I would go for the Honda.
This whole thing feels totally unnecessary.
These bikes target very different riders.
The Rebel is for someone who appreciates a quality built bike that can be ridden hard down a twisty road and is comfortable enough to go a whole day while not looking like a nerdy Adv bike.
The Harley has always been for the "badass" biker "man" who wants to associate with that badass biker image even though the actual bike is garbage by 2021 standards.
The Indian Scout is for the hipster who wants a retro bike that doesn't have most of a retro bike's issues but still feels and handles like one.
Exactly, and legendary reliability of Hondas and low maintenance! Also DCT is a massive gamechanger that gives people with physical disabilities or missing limbs a chance to ride again. People liked dynas for a reason, they handled good kinda. I'd like a little more powerful motor in a sporty cruiser though with more comfort for a 6ft+ rider which is why I hope the H2 vulcan from kawi becomes a reality(or a 1k inline 4).
Sounds rather insulting really.
As a scout owner, I fit the description of a scout rider you described perfectly! I just want a gas gage!
Checking the milage will do just fine... but a gas guage would be fuckin awesome..
So you can only tell you need gas when the E lights up?
No, you can tell you need gas when the bike starts sputtering while you’re doing highway speeds so that you have to reach under your left leg, find the fuel switch, flip it to reserve, then find a gas station, fill up, REMEMBER to switch back to normal so the next time the bike sputters out of gas you don’t find yourself stranded and needing to hitch a ride to the gas station with a can of gas. Yeah, heritage rocks…
New scout gas gage doesn't work. Lol
I totally dig how you did the comparison, good job! And I also appreciate Whitney in the videos. She brings a new flavor and a new angle of seeing things. A great asset to the channel!
On the contrary, I think he was prodding her and asking her all the right questions to lead her to offer perspectives. But she was very reluctant and left the viewer without answers to some of those first-person point-of-view impressions.
I don’t get how its a negative to you guys when the bike does more than one thing. “Its confused!” No, its not a one trick pony.
Thank you. Normally a bike doing many things can mean it doesn't excell at anything, but the Rebel doesn't do worse in any category really. Overall it's just better than the Scout at a lot of things. That isn't bad, and it doesn't mean the bike doesn't know what it wants. It just means it's a cleaner slate for the rider to define what they want their bike to be to them. The bike doesn't define that choice for them. Hence how it is rebellious towards the standardized cruiser approach.
I believe the idea is that it doesn't do any one thing the best and that can kind of feel wonky to ride. Like you aren't as comfy on it as other cruisers, but it doesn't handle as well as a sport bike, it isn't as fast as either.
I wish that the Rebel 1100 was the standard for the modern cruiser.
My wife has the rebel and I have the scout. It pretty much comes down to whether you want that american bike feel or the japanese bike feel. Both are nice but I wouldn't trade with her. Loud n proud
I'm with u.
damn i need a wife
The Scout isn't "all steel" the engine block is multiple parts aluminum as well as the frame.
I bought a rebel1100 it’s a good bike but all it did was make me miss my sport bike I’m waiting on my title just so I can get either a gsxr or a ninja or a cbrrrrrr not sure if I used enough es 😂
Just here to say Whitney is great! Have her on more!
I personally got the impression she had very little idea what she was talking about.
@@ivanjulian2532 same
@@ivanjulian2532 definitely
@@ivanjulian2532 why
@@ivanjulian2532 it sounded to me like she just has a different view/experience/opinion about cruisers.
Just ride and enjoy the view. Don't worry about fitting a group or style label. They have differences and tailor that to your riding style. Interesting to compare, for sure.
You didn't hear? The spirit of the cruiser lives in that beautiful pony tail brother!
Been riding a Scout for nearly 2 years and I don't agree with the criticism about cornering to the degree they make it out to be. Far as I can tell, it just seems like they never built a physical connection with the bike and they're skiddish about leaning it over. In the videos I've seen, they're not even close to pushing that thing... at least not in a corner. Obviously, Yammie put it in yeet mode during the mini-drag race.
I agree. Switch up the tires and go grind down the pegs
I agree,they make it out to be something that cant turn,cant stop,is heavy and only wants to go straight..maybe they need to learn to ride better.. and criticize because it doesnt have ride modes?? Come on now..I should add that Ive had a bobber for over 3 years and I can sure as heck hustle it around.
I have had a 21 Scout Bobber 20 for a little over a month now and I lay it down all over the place I love the hell out of this bike. I'm not going to lie I was thinking about the 1100 but the riding style just not comfy and the bike is ugly.
@@Jefferson-603 nice.. get some upgrades on it I have the Indian performance air box, rcx slip-ons and a reflash from Indian. Also have Metzler Cruz Tech tires, I installed a Barnett clutch and cable, Eagle light headlight and some other stuff. LOL. I've also drag race it and overall just have a blast on it
@@kencolle1 I have the Indian stage one intake with reflash and Dean speed slip-ons sounds amazing.
I find it crazy, that a Triumph simp has not featured the Bobber during these cruiser retro segments. OR for that matter a Speed Twin. In fact, he suggested the Rebel 1100 over the Speed Twin on the Yamcast recently and they couldn't be more different and not comparable in my opinion.
He’s only a Street3/Daytona Simp
If not the Speed Twin than a direct comparison with the SpeedMaster Bonnie variant
WTF??
I have a 2022 Scout with aftermarket pipes. My neighbor has the Rebel 1100. We stopped at a stop sign and my friend revved his engine. Then I revved mine with those pipes and it made me laugh. My sound was awesome! His sound was almost un-noticeable. Also, the looks of the Scout with the chrome is awesome! So, I'm glad that I have my Scout!!
Great Video. Getting back on a bike after nearly four decades, I have just bought the Rebel 500 (last Saturday). You never forget how to ride. Being only 5ft 3 ins tall (or short), I needed something with a low seat height, and after extensive research decided the Rebel was the way to go. Maybe in a year or two, when I'm more confident, I'll move up to the 1100, but for now, on UK roads, the 500 seems fine. I don't think we've got the 1100 over here yet, it's only available to pre-order.
I can't imagine how the Scout would cope with the fact that there are very few straight roads here in the UK, literally only the motorways. So to stay safe you need a bike that can handle corners with ease.
Welcome back, brother! When the 1100 is available over there, you will not be disappointed. The thrills on this bike give me chills. And when I want to take it easy, it’s comfortable and in command!
WTF?????
I think Indian got the Scout really authentic, right down to the suspension, its hopeless.. but that motor is what makes a cruiser. the Honda is the Toyota of nostalgia.
I much prefer the styling and mid-peg placement of the Rebel. Can never get used to the damn foot forward, toes pointed at the sky pegs most cruisers sport.
The floorboards on my Victory are comfortable at MID position...perfect.
Red DCT for me, thank you.
Mid controls are available for the Scout.
Honda at one time did do both - The Magna - V-4, sporty, good in the corners, as well as a great cruising motorcycle. Honda should take another crack a the V-4 boulevard cruiser.
New rider, love technology, scare of the 1100 engine as a newby but like the fact I will not change the 🏍 soon, plus Honda’s reliability I decided for the rebel 1100 for my birthday last week , happy with it, learning every day my limitations using my protective gear, you guys are awesome with the reviews. My wife wants one too!!
Love it! Hope you’ve got miles of smiles under your belt in the 10 months since your comment. Ride safe man!
I still think the V-twin brings a charm that can't be beaten, that looks just so beautiful, especially compared to an inline 2
100%
💯, that torque on a v twin is lovely. Then you have that music coming from the exhaust.
@@parkersgarage4216 The Rebel makes more torque than the Scout though on dyno
Love the sleek muscular looks of my Scout, but not that Rebel 1100, which may be better ride. Style is of great importance to me, so no way do I want a Rebel 1100 over my Scout.
@@cbr500rrradam8 a negligible amount. Scout looks better and def has a higher quality fit and finish. I can't believe honda went w a damn chain though. That was dumb.
The 1100 reminds me of a modern take on a baby VMAX. And I mean that as a complement. I think that thing is going to sell like crazy.
Oh hey, you're still here. I can't believe you made it to the end of the video. Not many people...
Not many people can listen to Spit all the way to the end of a video. Ain’t that the truth. All he does is bash Indian. He’s upset because H-D is slowly dying and Indian is thriving.
You two hardly went faster than 40 mph, so how can you really even evaluate either of them? I would want to know how they feel at 80mph! I’m interested in seeing what a Rebel might look like with a nicer looking chrome exhaust and chrome trimmed rear fender support rails. An accessory seat on the Rebel to accommodate a taller rider would make it even nicer. I would like a chrome headlight trim ring too.
Chrome is dead.
Gonna stop you at chrome
@@sli8462 nerds hating on chrome for no reason
The reason why i would chose a Vulcan S , or Honda rebel , or the scout , is because they are water cooled and that it seems to be a better engine , idk I could be wrong but I want a modern water cooled engine !!!💯💯💯and Harley’s are slow , heavy , and very expensive , like why buy a new Harley , when you could have two rebels or two Vulcan s or two scouts , I know I want two bikes in my garage , when one needs maintenance , I can jump on the other and take my time doing the maintenance on the other 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I agree. H-D should modernize their bikes with water cooled engines that don’t vibrate and shake like crazy. He compares the Scout to the Honda and complains that it lacks rider modes. 😆 What does H-D offer other than a shaky, oily, “lifestyle” and overweight bikes that cost too much?! For heritage styling with quality and reliability I’ll buy Indian, Triumph, and BMW R nine T. Never a Harley.
I bought my first bike in 1990 and was a used Honda shadow 650 or 750 don't quite remember but after less than a week, I took it back because it felt like a tank. They put me on a new Yamaha 1990 Virago 1100 and instantly was the bike for me, it was like driving a sports car. I was in the bike instead of on the bike, huge difference for me. I found someone to make forward controls and I lowered the seat, different pipes, raised the bars an inch, different blinkers and mirrors and also eliminated some weight. Wow! and the Rebel 1100 without haven't ridden it, reminds me of the Virago. Who cares what other people are riding, as long as you're happy? Just have to figure out how to afford on, in the meantime, I'll enjoy the RE Meteor350. Thank you both for the great comparison.😎
Wow excellent format. Such a laid back presentation. I love it.
As a proud and loud cruiser rider, and Harley owner, the rebel is a very very interesting bike. I really want to test ride one. I love my street bob. I really really do. But there's something about knowing I could easily put a bagillion miles on that Honda and still ride comfortably and relaxed that just speaks to my soul.
I have a scout and I love the thing. I don't have any issues with maneuvering the bike. Maybe I should ride a Rebel to get an idea of what I may be missing.
Do it
Maybe now that the Scout isn't competing against only the Sportster and similar bikes Indian might step up their game on the suspension
I kinda dig the couples-ride vibe, and good analysis all around. Great Job guys.
they're not a couple lol
WTF????
So when you were giving away the scout, it was all that and a bag of chips! Now you’re giving away a Honda rebel, it’s the bees knees! Lol! GTFOOH!!!😂
Right!? These guys are wayyyyy flavor of the month.
The Scout is kinda like loving vanilla before anyone invented chocolate. The Rebel 1100 gives you a waffle cone for free.
@@altortugas5979 nah, money talks. I’m guessing if Harley gave them a bike, they’d goes as far as saying they’re the best motorcycle maker on the planet.
WTF????
My great great grandpa owned the only Indian shop between Cali and Canada, love those older cruisers
Loving my new Scout Bobber. Thanks guys for some of the info that helped me make my choice. Also motovlogging with it
Here for "Effervescent". First time hearing that word being connected to a bike lol. I dig the vid yall. Nice channel.
With the ultra-subtle 1100 badging, I can see a lot people asking "Oh, you've got a Rebel 500?" They probably should have differentiated its styling a little more. Although it is very solid feeling, it is still more plasticky than any cruiser outside of the Vulcan S.
That's like saying if you roll on with your r1 people will say "oh you're on r3?" rebel 1100 is much bulkier and bigger than rebel 500.
You can't really mistake between them if you see it in person.
When I was riding my buddy's rebel 1100 most of the people who knew what rebel is were saying "is that the new 1100? cool.."
You got it right in, Newman. Guy trailering a Harley at a gas station said to me, “That’s a Rebel?” You never mistake it for a 500, and the style is so striking it takes people by surprise.
WTF?????
This is the video ive been waiting for!!
My dad has a triumph bobber black, thing honestly surprised me in the twisties.
Yes, got the looks. Got the Tech. Sporter than any cruiser, more comfortable then any sports bike. Checks all the boxes, except looks like crap with luggage and a windscreen.
WTF???
Honda had the magna in 1982. It was a V4 engine in s cruiser frame, similar in looks to the first generation shadows but obviously a different kind of ride with having 2 parallel cylinders and another 2 parallel cylinders at a 90 degree angle in a high revolution engine. It sounded more like a sports bike and ran like a sports bike, with the Magna 1100 being the fastest production motorcycle when it first came out. In fact the same engine was used in the Sabre (a standard bike) and the interceptor (a sports bike) In a way this bike is kinda a similar kind of thing, something outside the box
I've ridden the 1100 DCT and i think my dream bike would be the manual version with the added passenger kit, backrest and a small wind shield.
Btw my first bike was a weird Korean cruiser with a 125 cc single cylinder engine back in 1994, a Hyosung Cruise 125. Then i had the Magna 750, and i currently ride a Shadow 750.
Great Video.
Lifelong Harley guy here. I really want a Rebel, can't wait. At 66 years young I want dependability.
I personally adore the heritage look more than anything.
for scout if in gear and clutch is pulled in and the bike doesn't start then there could be a issue with how clutch cable is set. Happened with my scout
If motorcycles didnt evolve, and "heritage" was the only thing of importance, we'd all be riding exact copies of 1917 Harleys, etc.
I remember when there was only one kind of motorcycle.
The kind that you could afford, that you rode, and didn't worry about anything else.
It's peoples mentality and the need to put a label on everything in order to feel "special" that is ruining life in general.
That "Indian"s "heritage" only goes as far back as Victory, because regardless of the hype, that's what it is, a warmed over Victory.
It has absolutely NO direct lineage to the original Indian motorcycles or any of the original machines accomplishments.
Not even motorcycling has managed to escape the bullshit of the modern world.
What the hell did I just watch?
Scout Bobber 20 owner here. The rear suspension is the one thing they really missed on. There are aftermarket upgrades but at the price tag it comes at, it should be better stock. It would change the comfort level and that's what a cruiser should consider. The taller mini ape handlebars do wonders for the feel of the bike and I put extended foot controls on mine to feel less cramped. That rear suspension though really makes it feel like your riding a wooden wagon and I think it's unacceptable.
More Whitney and Spite contentttt! so wholesome this duo
I feel like if the Indian is a heritage cruiser, then the rebel would be a Neo cruiser. And if the rebel copied the sportsters answers to the test, then it got a higher score.
I think you nailed it on the term “Neo Cruiser”.
A new category would be born, if other companies followed the Honda Rebel’s footsteps
@@danrib4048 if you come to think of it, Honda have been offering an alternative to traditional cruisers since the Magna... FIERCE machine, that is!
Paul Velez honda didn't copy the sportsters answer to the test, its a different bike. Yamaha is the one who copied the sportster. Vtwin, air-cooled, same minimalistic approach with not much technology. This bike went on a different route and the only thing cruiser in it is the looks and riding position.
@@StirbMensch that late 90’s second gen Magna is a bucket list carbed bike for me.
I like that, “neo-cruiser.” The Rebel 1100 is definitely a cruiser for the new school.
Grandad here: I said this in your last video about price. You say that the Rebel is more expensive than the Scout - THAT IS NOT TRUE - The Scout is over $3,000 more than the Rebel. The Scout 60 with ABS is almost $1,000 more than the Rebel. It's not a minor mistake on your part. You need to get this right. Also, if you're going to go head-to-head with a couple of bikes get them out on the highway/freeway where the Rebel puts the Scout to shame.
Yeah Dude, at 23:47 you say that the Rebel is $300 more than the Indian. It's kind of fucked up that you haven't corrected that yet.
Someone needs to flash the rebel. Its heavily restricted. It won't go past 100. When the engine can easily go 120.
not with 4" of suspension travel.... 100 mph isn't cruising, that's racing speed.
It's time for Honda to revive the Legendary MAGNA
There's only one reason I want to sell my rebel, and go for a scout. I'm 6' 1", and the Rebel is built for shorter kings & queens... I've owned a 500 for 3 years, and I've taken long road trips which hurt my knees in the semi squat / bent knee position. The stock seat is so bad, and tho I've upgraded to the Mustang Tripper seat which adds an inch, it doesn't do much. I wish Honda had adjustable positions for the controls like the Vulcan has, and was a belt drive. There are forward control kits, but it conflicts with my crash guards. On an Indian, I think the forward positions would feel like a very comfortable mid-ish position for me, and it doesnt conflict with their guards.
The Rebel basically is a modern cruiser. While the Scout may be built today, there is very little modern about it. Its old fashioned, which some people love... and I hate. I took the Rebel quick and never looked back. Love new tech and improvements... heritage is for people who live with nostalgia for yesterday.
Damm right about your last sentence. I'm almost 70y.o. & if I could get in a time machine, I'd be instantly back to the 60's & 70's. This time suck's compared to yesturyear & if you could get in a time machine & go back, you might wish to stay also. Of course everything would have to be worked for & not all of the socialist handouts of nowaday's!!!!!!!
Agree your spot on with that comment the Rebel is the next gen cruiser it's updated
If you don't want to stand out from the crowd and just go down long straight roads the Indian is the bike. If your young or love the twistys and don't care what the one dimension harley riders think then the rebel is the bike you want.
I still wonder since when anyone ever cared what the Harley riders think? It's all grey noise anyways
I ride a 2016 Scout, floorboards, metzler tires, bazooka rear shocks and progressive springs with 20w oil in the front. Removed the airbox. I will take the twisty’s and regularly outperform my fellow riders.
Everyone is going bonkers about the Honda Rebel 1100.
I start to think the Honda Rebel 500 looks exactly the same, is well adequate, can do nearly everything the 1100 does. The Rebel 500 is a lot cheaper, less complicated and therefore cheaper to maintain and service.
Funny how all Americans are comparing it to other cruisers with v twins, try comparing it to a triumph bobber, come on my American cousins get with the programme🤷🏼♂️
I think the Rebel is for people who want something more comfortable than a sports bike, but doesn't want an adv. Someone who wants the big 4 quality and tech, vs "American Heritage". They're targeting a pretty specific niche, that's not necessarily your average cruiser rider. Whereas Indian is going for Harley's throat, through and through.
I think the Rebel would be a great motorcycle, but I wouldn't be able to get past the cruiser look. Of course we all know that Honda has done the market research and they know who's going to buy this motorcycle and why.
WTF????
True, although I think the niche extends a bit further than that. A lot of people wouldn't mind owning a cruiser, but are not interested in paying the typical Harley/Indian premium for objectively worse bikes with poorer reliability and maintenance costs. They would ride a cruiser if it was made to the standards of any other 2021 street bike, and at a comparable pricetag. I'm such a guy myself. I love sportsbikes, adventure bikes also, used to ride a naked bike, yet I'm also drawn to cruisers. The only thing that has kept me from getting one thus far, is that the pricepoint and the overall compromises that most cruisers make in the name of "heritage" has just had such bad value in my eyes.
Don't want a bike that weighs nearly as much as a small city car, with old (not heritage) performance and mechanical work. The Rebel is perfect because it deals with all the subjects that make most average riders stay clear of cruisers in general. It fixes all the areas where they usually compromise or fall victim to their own brand image shenanigans.
What makes a bike "the best" is if it suits your wants/needs and if you enjoy it. That's the true test, is the bike checking all the boxes for you as the rider. Granted, I've never ridden, I plan to, so I'm just going off of car(cager) experience. That's my 2 cents. Be safe and thanks for the video.
I want the looks of the Scout but i want it to handle like the Rebel. That Scout looks gorgeous but riding a bike that you have to force around corners is no fun
I own one and I gotta be honest, their description isn't accurate. It does just fine in a corner
Im 22 years old, ive always been into cars, just recently ive been interested in buying a cruiser, the rebel was the first one that caught my eye, just recently i found the yamaha bolt and i think it looks absolutely beautiful, the scout looks absolutely sick, i think all look amazing but i need something that can give me the best reliability granted it will be my daily going from home to work and back, so far im leaning towards the bolt or rebel 500
In my younger days I enjoyed the sport bikes, but now I prefer the comfort of the cruisers. More specifically, I want the comfort and somewhat of the look of a cruiser with the performance of a sport bike. One thing I hate is that almost every manufacturer thinks they have to have a V-twin in order to be a cruiser. I love the rebel 1100, and the Vulcan S style, finally an off the beaten path cruiser with a more sporty engine. I have had a few Harleys in search of my perfect motorcycle. I started with an Iron 883, did a bunch of upgrades including increasing the engine to 1250. I went to a Low Rider S 114 and even though it was an awesome looking bike, I just never really enjoyed it despite putting a higher revving cam in it. I think its biggest problem was it was just too big and heavy. It spent most of its life in the garage. I eventually sold it and bought another Iron 883. I do also have a 1985 Honda Magna VF700. I have been trying to figure out what mods I want to do to the new Iron 883, and I have decided the best mod would be to sell it and buy a Rebel. Seems like the closest thing to my perfect bike nowadays. I am happy Honda went against the normal V-twin mindset with a parallel twin, but I still want to "rebel" even more. I am still waiting on either Kawasaki or Honda to stick either an inline or V4 in a new cruiser. Kawasaki is pretty close with that Ninja engine in the Vulcan S, seems like all they need to do is stick the Ninja 1000 engine in it and call it a day. I would buy it. Of course Honda has plenty of experience with the V4 in cruisers with the Magna. Whoever comes out with the first new somewhat high-revving 4 cylinder cruiser will get my money. I absolutely love my Magna. That thing is comfortable to ride with the nice cushy seat, pull back handlebars and the stance. It handles great, and has awesome power. Even though it is a 1985, it will hold its own against most modern day cruisers if not put them solidly in the rear-view. That 10.5K RPM redline is definitely un-cruiser, but it will put a permanent grin on about anyone's face. It is a 1985 and parts are almost nonexistent.
I have always thought that Scout looks great with the perfect amount to chrome accents but i wish they made a higher level with better components as cheaping out on tires and suspension is very lame. Also I like a lower profile front tire (like the Rebel) and ideally a bit less heft overall. That said, the Honda looks great and I'd like to ride it one day, but I wish it had just a little bit of color as it looks so dark that I feel it lacks personality. I hope to see both evolve a bit for next model year. As always, thanks for the video.
I think Honda is genius for allowing you to grow as a rider, all through the same platform. Take the MSF and get a Rebel 300 or 500, and then move up to the 1100. After that, if you still wanna go bigger, they have this thing called the GoldWing that I hear is pretty nifty. Ride a Vulcan S myself, and absolutely love it. I’m not a big guy and I’m pushing 60, so I’m not too thrilled with manhandling a big bike through corners (anymore). That Rebel 1100 has me very intrigued though, tbh. Great video.
i wish you'd also include kilograms and kilometers. you make videos for everybody not just americans
The chief dark horse with ride command seems to be the answer to having heritage with top notch tech
It also costs more than twice as much as the honda rebel 1100 and has less power
@@teddy3967 ill take the dark horse's 120 ft lbs of torque
@@bc3nt Id take the rebel and save the other 9k+ for another bike
This guy Teddy, facts.
WTF??
My wife was looking for a new bike this year. She was upgrading from a buell blast 500 so she had no where to go but up. However we looked at the rebel 1100, the Indian scout AND everything made by Harley we hoped she would fit on. We saw the first rebel 1100 to hit Massachusetts and she was hoping to Fall in love with it because it’s thousands cheaper. However it looks cheaply made full of plastic where the Indian felt like home for her as soon as she sat on it. Add 10 in mini apes and Vance and Hines slash cuts and that thing is a bike I wanna ride! I had 0 interest in the Honda and neither did my wife. We bought a 2021 Indian scout bobber!
The Honda isn’t cheaply made though, it’s got name brand suspension and brakes, and in typical Honda fashion, the Honda feels tight in terms of fit and finish. It doesn’t feel like a piece of iron, or the heritage feel, that most cruiser people like. I love the feel of a sportster, but it needs a little bit of an upgrade to compete nowadays in the current market. I personally like the air cooled v twin, but that’s not what the market is looking for anymore...
@@sleeper.simulant7327 ok first I said looks cheap with all the plastic bolted to it. Feels cheap when sat on. The suspension aside the rest of the bike did nothing for us. 2nd. You're wrong THOUSANDS of riders still looking for air cooled vtwin classic harley machines. However the scout isn't air cooled. Its liquid cooled. Its not a performance cruiser. Its a classic cruiser. There is a huge market for it and indian sold ridiculous numbers this spring already. I love many honda motorcycles. This one is just not one of em.
@@dnice4431 the guys looking at air cooled cruisers aren’t buying sportsters, they’re spending a lot more on Harley soft tails or an Indian Chief..... the sportsters specific class is eons ahead in terms of tech. Again I prefer an air cooled engine myself, and out of the 3 I prefer the feel of the sportster. Suspension definitely is important if you’re like me and live in the north northeast mountains where the roads are curvy and addled with pot holes.
@@sleeper.simulant7327 I am actually. No mountains. But I'm in Massachusetts. No stock suspension on cruisers at least usually do well. I upgrade mine to good stuff. Legends or ohlins
@@dnice4431 I live in the NEK of Vermont. Roads are trashed up here but there’s some good ones here and there
I am an older rider, currently on a NC750X and looking to upgrade. No sweat, I am a Triumph/BMW/Honda kind of guy not a black leather bar-hopping HD biker. Also, I am 5'8" and my NC is a little tall for me. No contest in every category, getting the Rebel 1100 with DCT! Much cheaper and does everything better. Don't care about calling it a cruiser (who cares what label) it is a fantastic standard naked bike that performs well with absolutely no flaws. With DCT it is the last motor I will ever have to buy.
Another point, many cruisers are for the "hey look at me" type of rider and I am not that at all. At my age I could care less what style of anything I sport, I just want to be comfortable and sensible.
this is such a hard choice. i like the looks of the scout but the honda has so many modern features that i want.
Same proble I have. Scout has that americana beefy look, but the Rebel has the best quality and price
Heritage is about the looks. Chromed out HD estetic is not for everyone so Honda is doing the right thing. You want technology, reliability and classic look. Honda can deliver on all of them. Rebel is just a modern cruiser.
These days the "harley aesthetic" is actually blacked out with not much chrome to speak of.
Just my thoughts and lets start saying I loved HD Sportster. I ride a s40 and the rebel has always being on the back of my head but a 500 was not cut it. Now almost 5 years of Rebel 500 and Honda bring a 1100 mmm. I have a couple years going back and forth between Vulcan 900 and 1200 Sportster, but honest this Honda Rebel is just that I want to scream with it every punk rock I can...
Well, I traded my Scout from 2015 for a Rebel 1100 DCT. I do enjoy the Honda, it’s definitely more “refined”. And great in the twisties.
A real cruiser is a V twin, not a bigger 500 paralel shit
I think it also really depends on your intended use for the bike. For me, My bike is for fun, I already have a comfy car with cruise control and leather seats, and aircon etc. I also have an RX8 which is still plenty fast and great handling. I got a bike to have just as much fun but still at street legal speeds. I like cruisers to take it easy, and to meditate, as it requires 100% focus. Too many gadgets, and I don't think it would appeal to me. Between the Rebel and the Scout, I'm in Scouts territory. My aspirational bike is s scout bobber, even the 60 is fine, as a huge litre plus engine just feels excessive on a bike.
Great video, all I have to say though… is I love my 2022 Rebel 😁
Is the rebel a good bike for a total newbie?
You asked for a 1945 Motorcycle in 2020’s and it shows how much technology has changed in last 70 years and start to appreciate the changes in technology from all these years of improvement!!!!!