We Need to Talk About the New Land Cruiser...Is Hybrid ONLY a Bad Call?
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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2024
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What many didn't realize is that this Hybrid Max setup has been used in Hino (Toyota's commercial division) trucks since 2005. They had almost 2 decades to test them in commercial operations with heavy abuse. In fact, nowadays the weakest link in Toyota's hybrids is actually the internal combustion engine not the electrical components.
I’m surprised the ICE acolytes haven’t posted their rebuttals yet😂😂
@@providentpathfinders219 cause their speechless. They don't know anything that
Hybrid over full electric
Amen
Plug in Hybrid can be quite convenient.
Or range extender like the Ramcharger will be.
Agreed, especially when it comes to offroad vehicles. Because what happens if your offroad EV battery dies while on the trail and there's no charging point?
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Hybrid for sure. It’s been used in trains for over 60 years. The Prius demonstrates reliability and longevity at affordable prices.
Not for off-road scenarios, however.
@@vanadinite01 yes for offroad scenarios actually! you wont need a starter or alternator to get destroyed assuming the transmission/electric motor assembly are waterproof the ni-cd battery is also very long lasting.
Prius is no longer affordable
Diesel Electric Locos are not hybrid. There is no battery and they have no energy recapture. I’m sure in recent years there’s a few locos out there that may have a battery bank but vast majority of locos are not.
There are different offroad scenarios. There's going to the local offroad park... there's going to local trails for day trips, there are going on weekend trips where you might be offgrid overnight - then there's expedition trips where you'll be spending days if not weeks away from civilization. In all but the latter case, the increased complexities involved are acceptable as getting outside assistance is not an issue. However when talking about expedition trips - hybrids and turbos are not typically field-serviceable. In my rig, nearly everything is able to be fixed in the field. I even had a hole in the side of my engine and it was able to still function. That's what I think people are worried about. "Jerryrigability" is a real thing and the simpler a vehicle is - the more confidence you have to fix anything that may come up.
In any case, Hybrid is much better than fully electric. If you damage your battery while offroading, its game over for you no matter what.
I have a PHev and every one’s case use is different. We travel short distances for most of our trips using only electric but when we need longer range we can use the hybrid or ice only. The reality is even ice only vehicles are 10x more complicated then 20years ago this is just another thing.
the thing is in some hybrid vehicles, the electric motor replaces alot of parts like transmission, starter, alternator....
We just purchased the new 2024 Lexus NX 350h AWD for my wife as a daily driver. She loves it as a reliable gas sipper- 39 MPG. I'm Looking forward to the hybrid Taco
My wife bought that too. She loves going to the gas station and mocking the other patrons. They don’t have her little gas sipper.
Hybrid allows the 2400 watt inverter-- great for campsite--- the hybrid also allows car camping--- sleeping in the car and using the hybrid battery to power the AC or heat while sleeping in car. Yes the gas engine will turn on for about 6 mins for every hour of use intermittently (to charge up the battery again). This is a relatively silent car camping solution. Many owners use hybrid Siennas, Rav4s and even Prius cars to car camp with the climate control system on-- 🎉🎉🎉
We had a Ford Escape Hybrid and used it for Overlanding. We did some fairly tough trails at Moab (for a crossover) and the fuel economy and range was great. We replaced it with a Rav4 hybrid and took it out on some BLM roads in Utah and Arizona and the extra power was great. (Ground clearance not so much). We have a 5th gen 4Runner, lifted, winch, etc for towing our small off-road trailer. Of course it is more capable. The new Land Cruiser or 6th gen 4Runner should do as well and have more power and towing while getting far better fuel economy. I guess we will see...
For off-roaders, mild hybrid is my preference. Analysis of the 4xe was spot on.
A hybrid can bring some much needed low end torque
Funny thing is, the new Land Cruiser 250 (or Land Cruiser Prado) is keeping the 2.8L Turbo Diesel engine from the Hilux with a Mild Hybrid setup.
@@AbrahamArthemius yeah but the mild hybrid is going to be less effective than the real hybrid one.
that spare jerry can is going to go so much further too... I need this in my life!
I’m all for hybrid off roaders. Range is a good thing! With small diesels never really taking off in the US, I think it’s the next best thing.
It’s weird because we get the land cruiser in a 2.8 litre diesel
In the UK
They should have an option for the TT v6 out of the lexus gx. Its a lot of money for a 4 cylinder and why not just go with the upcoming 4runner?
Agree - big mistake not offering the turbo V-6 in the Land Cruiser, since it will fit right in if you look at the GX. I would buy one tomorrow if it was offered.
I don’t know about you guys, but I think the new upcoming 4Runner might have a turbo 4-cyl just like the new 2024 Tacoma. I mean, just look at their bigger vehicles like the Sequoia and Tundra - they both share turbo V6s and even with a hybrid option as well. So I assume the new 4Runner and Taco will share the same or similar powertrains, kind of like how the current 5th-gen 4Runner and pre-2024 Tacoma’s have had V6 options and also almost look similar to one another. If I had to guess, the turbo 4-cyl from the new 2024 Land Cruiser is also gonna be the same or similar to the engine in the new 2024 Tacoma and possibly the new 4Runner generation. If they got rid of V8s in their Sequoias and Tundras for V6s, there’s probably less of a chance they keep a V6 in the new 4Runner especially when they took it away from the Taco too. However, I would’ve loved if they had the TT V6 from the GX550 in this new LC just as an option. I guess they want to differentiate between their lineups or it’ll eventually become an “update” to the LC later on.
100%.
Having to replace batteries or loose potential overtime is not a move for longevity. I'm more interested in longevity over efficiency and I suspect most people wanting a land cruiser would agree. I hope later iterations have a gas only option.
Toyota hybrids don't have a starter, alternator, or belts that will ever need to be replaced. Being hybrid the engine miles are less than the vehicle miles since the engine is off for a percentage of those miles. Due to regenerative braking the brake pads usually last 150K or more. Toyota has upped the hybrid battery warranty to 10/150,000 miles so they're confident in its longevity. Toyota has a well earned reputation for reliability and in their product lineup the Corolla Hybrid is the most reliable. With the lower maintenance costs and fuel savings, even if you have to pay to get the battery replaced the total costs of ownership isn't going to be that different than a non hybrid.
From a philosophical perspective, off-roading in general is just a search for vehicle-based challenges. Wheeling a hybrid or electric vehicle adds another challenge. Some people love that challenge. Some people don't. But I don't see how anyone who loves off-roading can look down on people wanting to tackle that challenge, as it's all part of the search for a thrill.
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Sure, but some of us don't want it, and expect to have a choice.
Expedition Overland has actually talked a little about that tuning and transition from the electric motor, to the turbo motor at the low end, and back to the electric motor kicking in at the high end with their Trailhunter experience. I am confident it will be a great solution for those of us not ready to go full EV.
I have a f150 powerboost, one of the awesome benefits is if you're somewhere hanging out in the truck you can have the truck on (heating/ac) and the engine will just cycle as needed, not continuously run. Also the onboard power. I would think that would be huge for overlanding and camping. Also 700 miles of range is nice.
yes Toyota should offer it ,like to see the power boost go into a low spec 2 row utilitarian expedition timberline great car camping or overland rig , range and off the grid camping
i think what we might see in the long term is a electric drive line with a small battery to act as a buffer during acceleration, and a gas engine that provides the full power of the vehicle. the engine can be setup to run at it's max efficiency for any given load while the electric drive line deals with variations in speed.
by the NiMH battery technology isn't much older than LiIon, plus it is safer and probably a better choice for ev applications.
I can't wait for the hybrid Land Cruiser. The 2024 Land Cruiser is exactly what I've been waiting for Toyota to do. If the hybrid only fact lowers the demand some, I'm fine with that. Then maybe I can actually get one in the near future.
33 year Land Cruiser driver and owner here. Love the new 250 platform, and especially the turbo hybrid. Reliability isn't a concern; it's Toyota, they know hybrids. What is a concern? Land Cruiser's historically terrible MPG and range; the 250 finally begins to fix this longstanding problem. My only gripe is the paltry 18 gallon tank. C'mon - give us some real range.
i would think driving casually you should be able to get close to 35-400 miles on a tank. My 3rd gen 4runner feels like it only has a 13 gallon tank…..
The 18 gal tank remind me of the 3rd gen 4Runner''s paltry 18.5 gal tank... And the fact that the fuel low light comes on at around 14-14.5 gal. Even at 20 mpg, the range is still under 400mi. Why can't they pair the J250 with long range extended fuel tanks? Australian Prados in the old days can be optioned with long range touring fuel tanks.
@@runnerxa I have never ever ever gotten 18 gallons in my 3rd gen. I’ve driven it around with the light on for a whole day. 😂😂😂 The max i’ve ever seen to fill it up to is around 14 gallons. At one point i was going to install an aux tank where the spare used to be but instead, due to cost, went the 2 jerry can route on my tire carrier.
I like the range extender idea for a off road/overlanding vehicle because it works as a battery pack and a portable generator for camping and running tools.
at 7;15 ... pronounce the ineos like Fuze-a- lear or fuze-i-lear. Like the grenadier it's named after a type of soldier.
Those of us from South Louisiana or French Canada now how to pronounce that name this side of the pond
I own a PHEV. I am a big city dweller and everything I need is within a few miles of my house. I trickle charge in my garage and have close to 40 miles of EV range when I wake up in the summer and just under 30 in the winter and I live in Minnesota. Road trips are easy without worrying about charging on some of our North Shore trips. I just wish every manufacturer would have listened to me a couple of years ago and they would have saved literally billions.
in the meddle east the (Prado) is offered in 2 engine options - turbo 2.4L (no hybrid) 277hp 430nm and a diesel turbo 2.8L 201hp and 500nm
may be it a production problem or stricter emission regulations
Hybrids seem to be the best version of a car to me. Best mpg, generally AWD, a bit more power, and Toyota seems to have perfected its hybrid reliability. Plug in hybrids on the other hand seem like a complete waste of time to me. Just get an electric. I understand the idea, but having to charge and fuel up your car seems like a waste. Also I would have serious concerns about the reliability of an engine that barely runs because your in EV mode for long stretches of times. Most people won’t think about this and even when they do use their engines they probably won’t run the gas engine long enough to fully warm up the engine and burn out moisture. It’s trying to invent the wheel over again.
Fuse-a-leer
I’d say more like Few-suh-leer but yeah they were so wrong haha
the fake struggle to properly pronounce it was annoying. It's a European company, using a French word to name their vehicle. Get over it.
Fuse ill ear. From the French 'fusil' - soldiers with a rifle (or musket) - vs Grenadier, soldier with grenades - spot the theme.
BTW, Ineos are only new for vehicles, they're a chemicals company, whose owner (Jim Ratcliffe), was disappointed when they stopped building the old Land Rover Defenders, and being a billionaire, decided do build his own. As you do...
I’m thinking if TFL calls Ineos there’s someone there happy to help them with the pronunciation. Just Say’n.
Hybrids are better than Battery EVs.
Until we have better batteries and cleaner energy infrastructure, a battery EV will only be beneficial for urban centers that need an immediate solution to their smog pollution.
If you're not in an environment where smog is potentially life threatening, hybrids is your best bridge to an eventual Battery EV future.
wonder how the battery will do if you go into deep water? is the end of the snorkel being a viable aftermarket addon?
Trains don't run on batteries. Engines drive generators, generators power the the wheels directly - the 1918 Owens Magnetic car worked that way. Yet another variant ;) If you want to do light off-roading, get a Subaru. Range extender probably most sense for ev off-roader. I've got an LC on order. Looks sweet to me, but the NiMh battery is a disappointment. The pack is well out of harms way though, and that electric motor will really fill in bottom end torque nicely.
I love this, but I’m also concerned about reliability, especially considering the way the Tundra turned out…
Complexity is not an argument against reliability for a mature system. The proof is in the data, Toyota hybrids are more reliable than their ICE only vehicles (when comparing the same model). People seem to forget how complex an ICE is.
The biggest drawback for me is cost. But then that's why the 4Runner exists.
The range extender needs to kick at 50% to extend the range not at empty. It could also kick in immediately when going over 55 mph.
I'm curious about towing with the hybrid, not something you discussed, and not a lot I've seen on that. Also curious when you are going up a large long grade, does the battery deplete and you are just left with the 4 cyl? I don't own a Jeep 4xe, but I've heard that can be an issue with those. I wonder how the LC will behave in challenging situations. Certainly that's better than EV, but maybe not ideal.
I just want more offroaders to adopt the ford style generator mode. Would be sweet to not bring a Jackery or something for power. Even build a camper inside a long bed pickup with a bed cap, plug right into the bed outlets.
well the new tacoma and lc 250 have a 2400 watt inverter, so that is still good power. ram is also adopting that for their upcoming 2025 ram 1500 range extender
@@huanronghu4432 problem with the toyota hybrids is that the inverter doesn't work if the car is off (if im understanding the interview TFL had with the toyota engineer). Even if it did the ability for the ford truck to start its self when the battery is low and turn its self off when the battery is charged seems great for a bed cover camper. Too bad its attached to a ford.
@@sumguy-gj7ny Ahh that is a bummer, but hey, it is still something the tundra and the sequoia should offer in their respective refreshes along with the LX and upcoming 6th gen 4runner. ford still had the benchmark when it comes to vehicle generators, even if the brand makes u reconsider their decision
I'm waiting for the Hybrid Tacoma to come out.
Prices for low mileage ICE off-road vehicles will hold and increase as times go on and supply of them decreases for the actual enthusiasts that take their off-road vehicles off-road. For 99% of the buyers electrification will solely be a political and perception war but not really impact their actual use of the vehicles
My locomotives are rated for about 4000hp. All of the loco pulling power comes from electric traction motors. So that is true, but a locomotive isn’t gonna do anything without that massive diesel generator running. I’ve definitely been curious why we don’t run a setup like a train tho. Electric motors, minimal batteries, lightweight diesel generator. That would give us the benefits of electric power while theoretically giving us normal and refillable range. Possibly this setup needs too much fuel to work. I mean, the locomotives have 4000 gallon tanks, but they’re also pulling way more than I need for off-road/towing.
Chevy Volt was almost that (gas motor). Then they cancelled it, like they do with every actual good idea.
They won't do it because gas is bad bad bad. evil evil evil. and bad. and evil. and something about lining pockets with green energy dollars.
At the moment here in Australia, They are only advertising that it will be coming with the 2.8l turbo Diesel which it's always had here. It's called a Prado over here which is the entry level Land Cruiser.
LC Hybrid is a full send for me. I drove a prius for 220k miles with original NiMH battery of 20 years old until the vehicle was totalled.
Do folks not realize that Toyota hybrids are some of the most reliable vehicles. Prius, rav4, Highlander.
Our local dealer has a $10,000 markup in the form of a non-refundable deposit on top of the MSRP if you want to get into one of these. The Toyota salesman I talked to said that people are nuts, I agree with him.
Sup yall....so let's pause for second and realize that all "concerns" have been realized when it comes to Toyota hybrid engineering. Hence the reason for the late arrival of the hybrid Tacomas...what I imagine is they are making sure the electrical systems are water and weather proof enough to get the green light for production. I CAN'T wait to see the live testing of these nothing short of incredible trucks.❤
Yes. But mainly because of that stupid battery platform in the trunk space. If they found another place for that I’d be ok with it
Super excited about these new handsome rugged vehicles until i see the price tag...
The grenadier starts at $71k which is just ridiculous. Are there even ANY other rugged, reliable vehicles that are affordable???
Phev makes the most sense for those of us with longer commutes. Full electric when it’s frigid outside just brings range anxiety.
Love the PHEV options , electric for short trips and hybrid for long trips
What I find perplexing is an electric motor should be easy to adjust, much easier than a gas engine so that the electric only mode is jerky to drive sounds more like an implementation errors than an issue with the drive system itself. Also you would expect something like lockers to be very easy to implement, but obviously from what we see at both Rivian and Tesla, it is not such a simple thing as one would expect
4 in wheel electric, a generator capable to charge it and a plug in range extender battery for those plug in weekday school runs.
Thanks guys
I think hybrids have always been the most ideal solution for all cars. Traditional gas power for highway driving and engine off electric power for stop and go city driving and of course much more fuel efficient. Hard to believe but Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive is now in the 5th generation going back to the late 90's with the Prius. They're the most experienced in hybrid tech and in typical Toyota fashion they make it simple and reliable.
I've done a lot of research on the new land cruiser. as a current 5th gen 4 Runner owner, i'm looking to upgrade in another year or two, primarily looking at the new land cruiser or the GX550. Not interested in the 6th Gen 4-Runner (which isn't even out yet). After researching the land cruiser, i'm convinced this is nothing more than cheap "re-badged" junk, not to mention that having a hybrid on a land cruiser is completely contradictory to the heritage of simplicity for which the model is known. Furthermore, it's almost 1,000 pounds heavier than a 5th Gen 4 Runner. It's a travesty they're even calling this thing a land cruiser. At this point, I'm glad i have a 5th Gen 4 Runner and may just stick with it for as long as I can drive it. And the EV mandate is going to be rolled back, as it's completely unattainable / unfeasible.
I am curious to know the weight of the new Toyota LC in comparison to the new Lexus GX 550?
Toyota is always right.. smart buggers.
Hybrid is 100% the way to go.
You forgot to add that with electric motors, depending on the layout and software configuration, offer individual wheel lockers (front, centre and rear), better traction control, and better torque vectoring. They will be far more effective than mechanical lockers in tough off-roading conditions. Better overall reliable over mechanical differentials as well.
I’m very interested in range extended EVs like the upcoming Ramcharger and Ineos Fusilier. Otherwise, for the vast majority of buyers the old school hybrid Lamd Cruiser makes a lot of sense. 95%+ of driving is on-road and 25 mpg is awesome.
A TTV6 GR sport type model with front locker and more agrreovw tires and maybe a BP51 suspension would be killer
yeah it would be nice for the land crusier 250 (prado in other markets) to offer a gr sport, since the 300 series has that
We're getting the Prado though right? Not the actual land cruiser? They have the 70 series and 300 series in Japan, but we only get an overpriced 4 cylinder.
Ford did hybrid right with the PowerBoost when it comes to people who enjoy camping/overlanding. Great power, great range to get to where you’re going then all the power outlets for people’s devices and gear. They missed only by not offering it on their off road model the Tremor. Why Ford doesn’t offer hybrids as they do in Europe is beyond me.
Absolutely it is a good idea! That's precisely why I'd be interested on it😍😁. It is an advantage in all ways!
The simplest hybrid setup is a series hybrid/range extender. It's so simple that it's very trivial to retrofit such a drivetrain in any old car. Other hybrid setups face some more complexity needing a transmissiom that can switch and mix the electric motor and the combustion engine.
But regardless of whatever powertrain a vehicle has, the manufacturers are always gonna be the problem. It doesn't matter how simple your pure combustion engine is, the manufacturers will find creative ways to make any mechanic's life hell.
If they are going hybrid, they need to put in bigger batteries. Plus the 2.4kw+ inverters are awesome.
imagine if they had a 21 gallon fuel tank... nearly 483 miles combined... or maybe 400 while towing... i wonder if the Lexus Fuel tank will fit
I'd love to see you guys do a Wrangler 4xe vs Land Cruiser video. You could even have a regular 4runner or wrangler as a control test.
2 different class vehicles. Wrangler is compared to Bronco and perhaps even 4runner.
Yeah but I'm thinking more a long the lines of the 4wd hybrid drivetrains, since neither the bronco nor the 4runner have those options@@camooo101
I drive to construction sites I manage all over town. I need a vehicle that can make it through the rough mud and rocks of a jobsite and get good mpg since I cover fuel cost. The new hybrid 4Runner or LC could be great since I don’t care about towing.
People think turbo will be jerkey. The pedal isn't all or none. You can still press the go pedal and the ECU can determine boost isn't needed. People don't complain about Turbo Diesel Land Cruisers
Throttle modulation off road will be a non issue with the Toyota since it has crawl control and terrain management systems. In addition, recent reliability surveys claim the hybrids are actually more reliable. So I don't think there's anything to worry about. The hybrid provides almost diesel economy and performance with a gas and electric combination. Perfect.
Plug in Hybrid with 100+ of ev mode would work for my daily
More concerned over turbos than hybrid as far as longevity. But since it seems they are putting versions of these in all their other cars, they will refine them fast and have inexpensive replacement parts
The "range extender" style is what Audi's been racing in Dakar for several years as the E-tron. performance and range can be just fine and superior to the other options. Just depends on tune and build. A big miss, the advantage of this over hybrid is it is far more efficient than hybrid, the generator always operates at low rpms and sips fuel. This has also been around in Europe for awhile.
There is going to be a big hole in their lineup if the new 4Runner doesn’t fill in the way the current model does.
UK gets a diesel (albeit underpowered) which IMO is a lot more suited to these trucks than the Hybrid set up.
Those who buy that are not concerned about fuel economy but performance! I hope they give us an option to get a V8!
Yes they should have offered an ICE option
One thing drive truck , pickup , car in straight line with up & down hill but off-road vehicle deals with differents pathway specially when it comes time with electric systems and certains environments plus maintenance , think twice before invest on this vehicle
I guess we will never know if fuel capacity would be increased without hybrid. Looking at wrangler 4xe fuel cell and battery compared to internal combustion only.
Will EVs be able to charge the battery in cold weather , and how long would it take? How much does it cost to obtain an adapter to attach to the plug to insert in a regular household outlet? Also, how do service stations adapt to servicing vehicles when they are due for state inspection? Where are the charging stations going to be located? In my area, I have not seen one charging station at all. I have driven internal combustion cars for 40+ years and it's what I have been used to driving. Will prices of EVs decrease over time so that they are affordable for people to buy them if they wanted to?
My friend had a turbo charger hybrid and it make the whole campsite catch on fire. Everyone died and they tried to escapee but the timing was off on their turbo lag so they caught on fire and burned to death.
Battery technology will continue to improve, with increasing power and energy density, so future BEVs can have much higher range.
PHEV or just a normal hybrid makes more sense Way more versatile than a full EV. I would like an EV but I feel like I would still need to keep a vehicle for road trips.
I'm not apposed to hybrid or electric powertrains. My issue is the value proposition vs a reliable naturally aspirated powertrain. Also, we are moving further and further away from the simple and reliable powertrains that helped build Land Cruiser's worldwide reputation. If Toyota doesn't deliver as advertised the Land Cruiser name will loose credibility and long-term ownership or the used value will suffer tremendously much like Land Rover.
A possible solution is to offer different powertrains as options like Toyota dose in other markets. Most likely though, Americans are being punished by Toyota for our government regulations.
There are 2 things we can do to make Land Cruiser's better in America. 1 - Stop accepting things you don't like on new Toyota's, including price. 2 - Vote for candidates and laws that will make it possible for Toyota to give more options in our market.
Toyota cares about profits more than the off road community. At this point actions speak louder then words!
Off the purchase list because of the drive train. Absolutely not giving up my rubicon for this
Your Rubicon will give up long before you do. Sorry but I couldn't resist the Jeep reliability vs Toyota reliability joke.
Usually I’d agree! 😅
I have the new Venza, and there is no worry about torque and the electric motor. It's so weak. It doesn't even keep speed when going uphill. The gas motor kicks in more often than the electrical. However, I still get 38mpg.
It’s a hybrid it’s supposed to do that….
Toyota hybrids have been reliable. Makes sense to have that as first engine option until production capacity allows more options.
For me optimal solution is PHEV. Why? Because in city center have enough EV range to be eco friendly and outside of city have range and flexibility to fuel up like normal car and do another hundreds of kilometers or miles in no time compared to EV. And energy density of fuel is way way higher than battery so it lighter compared to EV and still have instant torque of EV.
When the grid goes offline or solar flares / storm happens , I don't wanna be stuck and rely on electric vehicles 🤔 as if won't even start
Petrol or Diesel over Hybrid?
I’ll consider the GX, won’t look at the Land Cruiser. Hopefully the next 4Runner will give an option.
wow i like the face of that Fusilier
Choice is always better ... for me less complexity is better, thus no hybrid consideration ... someone else might like to get a few MPG more at cost of more $$$ for repairs later.
Long term, BEVs are going to be the way. The battery technology is going to improve and we're going to see weight becoming lesser factor.
I wonder what the new tundra trd pro is like off road with its hybrid system.
I think the advancements from solid state batteries and a larger, more reliable charging network will bring more interest to EVs. Until people are able to charge within a few minutes, and are able to quickly be put back on the road when they run “empty” in the middle of nowhere, either PHEVs or E-REVs will be the best option for anyone that wants more than ICEV.
In short, EV needs another gasoline (regular) vehicle to accompany as an Off-Road buddy for safety (just in case). And rule of thumb is always have the second or third vehicle for emergency situations. Something always go bad, especially with extreme rock crawling.
a Dana 44 most likely will not survive a instant 1000 foot pounds rock crawling.
Regardless of the powertrain, for me what’s important is reliability, not necessarily longevity. Two different things in my opinion.
Turbo and hybrid fear will soon be a thing of the past when the masses have their hands on the new Tacomas and land cruisers
Exactly.
Agreed. I get the concern with turbos and hybrids but Toyotas been making both for decades, this is nothing new for them. While they're new to trucks the drivetrains themselves going in the Tacoma and LC aren't new.
The nimh battery are super reliable on the Prius and the cost of replacement is also way cheaper than lithium. I think it cost about 6k if you do it yourself and 8-9k in a shop, but Prius people easily get 300k mi or more on it.
Right off the bat I think it's a wait and see thing. But like you said, Toyota has been in this sector for two decades! So they definately have been doing some testing! But many have not, and it's still new technology making its way to real world scenarios (and then some). And how i see this whole sector ... People don't do well with change. Remember a time, not so long ago, when 6 cylinders were becoming the norm ... And then FOUR Cylinders!! Holy! There was all kinds of up roars. People slamming such a thing, left right and centre. Imagine if we had such a thing as social media back then ... It would have blown up ... and not in a good way. So it's the same thing now. Something different that people can't handle ... Just yet.
I look forward to the day when we have a motor on each wheel and fully active independent suspension that can raise and lower each wheel. You could drive over logs that are taller than the lug nuts. GO-GO-Gadget STRUTS!
We need to differentiate the traditional meaning of hybrid. it used to be that it meant that the vehicle was designed to be as efficient as possible as in really good gas mileage. now they are just boosting power in the trucks but many people hear hybrid and think something like the new tacoma is going to get great gas mileage. I really wish they would put the hybrid engine that's in the sienna and other vehicles into a tacoma. I'd rather have a tacoma that was a bit less powerful but got really good milage than either of the engine choices they are offering
I wish the jeep versions had 100miles of ev range. The GC 4xe was probably one of the better ev’s I have driven.
The battery would have to be 4x larger.
Fortunately, very few buyers of off road vehicles ever take them off road. It’s a lot of fuss over a tiny sliver of the public.
Exactly. And even the ones that do, 99% of their driving is on roads.
ford has the right idea with the F150 on board power boost generator add it to the Toyota line trim down the sequoia TRD PRO
A Fusilier is a soldier armed with a Fusil, a flintlock musket - Few-sil-lier.