Stellaris - Trade Route Mechanics (The Spice Must Flow)
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2019
- Trade Value and Trade Routes, the veins of any empire. How does it work? Let's take a look.
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ASpec finally figured out how trade routes work.
Instructions not clear, purged xenos while trying to make trade routes.
Smudgeeboy
I’d take just xeno purging tbh
I made a dyson sphere with my high tech run
That thing made my run a joke
I tried following his instruction but I ended up cracking a Fallen Empire's holy world. I think I missed a step or two, the instruction were definitely not clear enough...Thanks a lot ASpec.
I really wish there were trade ships flying around your space. Things would feel a lot more alive if you had ships flying to your trade hub, gathering up, then flying as little caravans from each trade hub to the Trade Capital. I don't know how well that'd actually work, considering they'd have to span huge distances in a month, meaning there'd have to be a ton of caravans along trade routes for it to make sense, but that'd still be fun to see...even if it might be a bit of a burden on your PC, especially on larger galaxies.
They have that in eu4
Empire at war Awakening of the rebellion has it, and it cripples the frame rate.
I remember in star trek birth of the federation smaller ship types like frigates and destroyers could raid enemy sectors for credits. It also decreased a planets output.
Almost privateer like stuff.
That could be used in stellaris and maybe generate more border friction etc and disrupting maybe a 2-3 system wide area of a target empire
maybe a unit like civ 5/6 game
@@redMrCrayon Empire at war is a 14-15 year old game.
We need inter-empire trade routes
@@stephanieharrington2937 Lol I thought that is what I was agreeing to with commercial pacts
But how would that work? Would it just create trade value out of thin air?
Considering that trade routes were one of the biggest reason for the lag spikes that's probably a bad idea. Dunno why they felt the need to simulate pathfinding on the trade routes, feels like there ought to be a better way.
@@gossamera4665 there is. Don't calculate it daily, abstract the patrol fleets just like the pirates, and force manual pathing.
Done. Very little lag.
Turns out, mods do this already. = )
We need less late gamelag :(
We need economical wars, making a nation dependent on our consumer goods etc
It should be like issac asimov's foundation series
China in space!
your economic influence on other empire's economy, that would be great.
I would like to be a interstellar arm dealer especially while I play corpo :D provide other species with weapons and any kind of goods while they fight each other, keep this war going while you make profit out of it :D
I did that with a player once he gave me all his food monthly so I gave him half my energy credits monthly only to sell his food again getting more energy credits let’s just say he insulted me once and went bankrupt for a few years as I did not renew the trade.
Paradox added trade value and trade routes in 2.2 because of the economy overhaul and because people asked for it for such a long time. Its a decent start to a trade system, however, as ASpec says the system is incredibly hidden. It also doesnt cover things that players would want. Say you are playing Barabaric despoilers, you should be able to raid trade routes to collect the trade value during a war. In fact everyone should be able to raid trade during a war or even create "privateer fleets" that act as partially detached neutral factions that can raid trade routes without going to war.
The current system only has internal trade routes, and only pirates can effect trade. Inter-empire trade routes, player based trade raiding, and other features would go to really flesh out the system. Which is what ASpec said that Paradox should do in a recent video; flesh out existing systems. Current trade is a nice enough base, but it is still just the bare bones of a trade system that Stellaris could one day have
You can block the flow of trade, tear up their economy.
@@MegaDrunkViking Yeah its a shame you can't steal it, but if they have some major nodes you can stop it and basically blockade their economy. Hopefully they build more complex systems on this solid start.
When I first read about the trade routes my mind immidiately went to cutting off supply lines for fleets, that's the kind of tactical combat I'd like to see, with fuel depots etc. But that likely won't ever happen.
@@gossamera4665 they can't get an AI to rebuild damaged buildings, I think asking for one that backline assaults the supply routes of an empire while maintaining a front line presence is a bit much, no?
@@iami3rian394 Like I said, it likely won't ever happen. Ineptness may very well be a factor in why, I agree.
Have a Trade Hub, Have A gate in that system.
Have a Station with fighter hangars. Have a gate in that system aswell.
Collect and protect everywhere your gatenetwork connects to.
The collection range of a trade hub reaches THROUGH a gate/wormhole/l-gateThe protection range does the same.
And at the point where every space station in your empire is within 6 jumps of a gate, there is no need for patrols anymore, because the hangar-station will cover everything.
Also: Build gates in L-Gate/Wormhole systems. The traderoutes will thank you just as much as your ships will.
I have noticed going through a gateway seems to take 1 jump away, so it's 5 systems through the gateway, unless it was just being buggy. But yeah, definitely the way to go still.
@@furonray Yeah, a gateway counts the same a hyperlane... except most l-gates, that count as _two_ since, if I'm not mistaken, they always have to go through the one in the cluster, adding an extra step (of course, though, you can always build your trade hub or hangar station at Terminal Egress, making it avoid the problem... and, as D3sToD3s said, also build a regular gateway there for added bonus).
Oh, and if you build trade protection stations in multiple gate systems _they stack._ In _every system_ within range of a gateway. So... yeah, build gateways. Gateways are _good._
Doesnt trade hubs and fighter hangers fight for the same slots in a space station? so you can have 6 hubs and no hanger protection or 3-3 or 0-6 ect.
@@Cryten0 Yeah, but you can have a station with 6 hubs in a system with a gateway _and_ a station with 6 hangar bays in _another_ system with a gateway and they'll _stack,_ so _any other system with a gateway_ will have the equivalent of _5 hubs and 5 hangar bays..._ plus anything _any other station in any other system with a gateway_ provides.
You have enough gateways, things stack _very_ high _very_ fast.
this. pretty much just instantly route all trade back to your capital asap with a hoard of fighters in tow or deal with pirates wackamole
Instructions unclear. Started war in heaven while trying to make a trade route.
Me when I see that giant roach at 2:33 is called "Half-Human": :|
Mimics anyone?
@@StarboyXL9 EXTERMINATUS !
*moves fist towards exterminatus button*
I threw up
Go to horny jail
the ability to manually make trade routes would be really nice, considering the automatic routes often make fully suppressing piracy really goddamned hard and requiring multiple fleets of 10-15 corvettes or multiple dedicated hanger starbases, logically creating one single "highway" of sorts for trade routes where they all converge into a protected route would be handy.
You can sort of just send all trade ti a single station and send it to your capital it helps slightly
If you decentalize the trade with only 1 or 2 collection range and 1 hangar for example you're all set. The bonus +2 can still be collected too, although you're probably just better of with a different module.
Noob
They really need to fix the routing AI of how these trade routes plot themselves.
Or give us the ability to plot each waypoint of the trade route manually
After researching Gateway Construction you can reduce the amount of star bases required to cover your entire Empire to 1 as you can simply build up a grid of Gateways connecting your systems in a way you would never need to make more than 6 jumps to get anywhere in your Empire (also great for rapid response and the death of piracy within your space)
Two tips you missed.
1. Any upgraded starbase (above the "this system is mine" starbase) collects TV in the system it is in. No trade hub required if you just have TV in that specific system.
2. Upgraded starbases are absolute blockers of piracy. It doesn't matter how much TV passes through, upgraded starbase = zero piracy in that system. This means you can use your anchorage bases are piracy blockers as well.
If it wasn't for your video on this subject, Trade Value would speed by me like a passing car: whoosh.
"My god, that hair is out of control" lmao made my day! On a serious note, thank you for this. Was having difficulties setting up my trade system.
This answered questions I didn't even know I needed to ask. Thanks for taking the time to do this - it really helped.
I love your videos so much. They helped me understand so many mechanics in the game and you're genuinely very nice to listen to.
Clarkson:"I don't understand any of that"
POOOOWAAAH!
Well taught. Thanks for making everything clear and easy to understand.
Thoroughly enjoy your vids. Keep up the good work!
I was just wondering about this! Perfect timing!
Brother. I salute you. This is the best video about trade value I have ever seen. You have my thanks!
The way of Trade routes should not be created automatically. Also a galactic Highway would be nice, were the trade routs come together and your ships can move faster.
Seems like the logical next step, i just hope that they don't lock that behind dlc if they decide to add it
You can do that by adding hyperspace registrars in those systems
@@IronFreakV They absolutely would lock that behind DLC. This is Paradox we're talking about here.
@@Guru_1092 If it came with a full overhaul of the trading system then I say let them charge us for it.
very insightful, learned quite a few new things (just started playing like a week ago. lots of stuff to learn in this game
A year late, but thank you for making this video. I had doubts about how trade routes work, but this video cleared them up. :)
This video is exactly what I needed. As an old player returning to the game, the whole trade system was a bit overwhelming at first.
The, "my God, that hair is just of control," made my day. Great video. I did not grasp these concepts till now. Thank you for sharing.
This might be late developement addition but you can select the star base from galactic map without zooming into the sector as opposed to what we can see at 5:20. Just click on the star base icon next to system name and it brings up the star base overview.
Also at 10:40 aside from your fleet doing patrols to combat piracy you can upgrade your outpost to star base (preferably in choke point) or do much cheaper alternative and build defense station at the outpost (pre-star base). Outposts have limit of 3 defense stations max and they do combat piracy. Your fleets sure have places to be elsewhere. Another quicknote: If your defense stations are unable to combat high piracy (because of limited piracy suppression) you can make a little fleet of corvettes without any weapons to patrol these sectors. They are cheap. Weapons make them expensive and doesn't affect their corvette piracy suppression. Once the trade value rises just add another cheap corvette to already patroling fleet to negate piracy effects.
Thanks aspec for doing a breakdown on the single most important and overlooked aspect of my empire.
Thanks for this! I didn't know you need a starbase above a planet to collect the trade. No wonder my economy is considered low!
This is really pretty much what you need to know haha
This explains why my robot empire is having trouble with pirates.
When you‘re in The Lategame and you‘re Very resource Rich you can just build a Gateway in the Main-System of Your Empire and Gateways in Important Tradevalue-Collection-Systems. If you do that you don‘t have to care about Pirates that much
PS: Sorry if my English is Crap
Does the collectibg range of trade hubs also go trough gateways?
The indecator for the collection is when you select a stations the box with the arrow pointing into it...
I have played multiple games only focusing on trade since mega corps released. Some of my finds.
It is entirely possible to get 100% of your consumer goods from trade (I have played multiple playthroughs scrapping my first civilian fabricator and using utopian living standards from minute 1). Consumer benefits is really overpowered. Also worthy of consideration is that starbases over the outpost level stop 100% of the piracy in the system so a chain of starbases is the only way to funnel hundreds of thousands of trade units through the galaxy. Every starbase past an outpost has a trade collection range of 0 but will collect from the system it is in. Your border defense bases with habitated planets in the system can spawn pirates if they are not connected to your trade collection network. Like shown in the video trade routes go through gateways and wormholes making late game trade collection an easy task. Most non planet trade can be handeld by basic trade protection. Hanger modules have better trade protection than guns and missiles.
The trade value generated by population is 40% of the consumer goods they consume + 0,25 for spirtualists if they are affected by gospel of the masses (making gospel better if you spent less consumer goods on the people.). Consumer goods spent on job upkeep does not generate trade. Trade is not effected by resource output only by stability. Martial law actually increases the trade output on planets. (Random sidenot: The egalitarian and xenophile factions do not mind all your planets being under martial law) All the leaders from the trade enclaves come with a trait that increases trade by 10%. Some of the caravanser leaders have an improved version of that giving 10% trade AND 10% reduced consumer good upkeep. Trade routes can go through open border territory and can spawn pirates in other peoples territory. AI is terrible at routing and clearing pirates so a big pirate fleet you spawn in their territory will block them for extended periodes and even if there is a complete line of bases through your territory they often manage to spawn pirates in some sideway system. Destroying pirate fleets generate minerals so it could be possible to generate minerals from trade with a massive micro. Pirates also have t2 mass drives and t1 afterburner tech you can salvage. Megacorp branch offices generate their value by the planetary trade not by the trade the player actually gets to their home system. Building a few megacorp buildings on a backwater world frequently manages to spawn pirates in your allies system they will never clear.
To my knowledge the energy generated from trade is excluded from the subject tax.
Nice video! I don't even play Stellaris anymore, but I still watch them just for fun.
Great Job, now I know what I am doing with trade. Love you bro...
you can also defend you trade routes with stations, each defensive module (i.e. guns, missiles, hangar bay) add a certain range of trade protection from that station, in smaller empires simply having your borders defended will fully protect your trade routes
I've been playing this game since release, and have put in almost a thousand hours and there's still so much I haven't even learned. Many icons I haven't even moused over!
oh wow..I have been doing it wrong...this was an eyeopener..thanks! :)
Thank you!
You forgot to mention adding weapons and/or defense platforms to help combat piracy on the outposts that lie on the trade routes.
I also spend max platforms allowed to non upgraded space station where is a red pirate sign. Sometimes the patrol is not efficient enough to surpress piracy when trade value increase at later midgame. But than a protected station can help itself by destroing pirate fleet.
Thanks this is a big help
They get really hard to protect when going for the wide approach. I had over 1000 trade value going around and needed to dedicate about a third of my naval capacity just to suppress piracy along my main trade routes back to my capital
Hangars and trade hubs
You don't understand, there is nearly 400 trade value moving through one route. Even a maxed out starbase with hangers only guarantees 60 trade value will make it through.
I'm aware, but at my stage in the game I only just researched the techs to reactive and build them. You also are not taking into consideration the cost of the gateways. I simply do not have enough alloys to continually build up my fleet and piracy suppression patrols, upgrade starbases, and build other megastructures. To build a gateway network would mean I would have to sacrifice both my military and economic growth for an unacceptable amount of time
I'm currently playing on a large map, 800 stars I think, and own about 3/5 of it. To build a gateway network like that would require tens of thousands of alloys. Also, cant you only build one at a time, or does that only apply to megatructures?
Well so far I've got a trade route with 1200 trade value running through one hyper lane and it has max piracy of 300 and protection of 220 so losing 80 trade isn't so bad when I get a grand total of 1120 trade from that one hyper lane, not to mention making 6k total. The protection overlaps if it's in proximity so all you've got to do is to make sure you cover enough of the max piracy it's not too much of a loss
THANK YOU!!
Great video.
If you have different ethics you can get a policy that changes your trade value to get alloys as well
0:26 UI Consistency is one of my pet peeves in Stellaris. It took me three hours and couple of trips the the Stellaris subreddit to find the terraforming button.
4:20 It would be nice if the collection range was highlighted on the hyperlanes when you select the trade hub. Due to asymmetries in the hyperlane network you will most likely have overlap.
Oh yeah yeah we need the spice!
I had no idea what those did, I've just been demolishing my trade hubs and replacing them with anchorages.
gestalts not having a similar mechanic to trade (like synapse flow or processing power etc) really REALLLY hurts them economically, considering how OP trade is
Eh, not really. They don't have to care about trade value, so they can instead use their star bases for other means (Like anchorages).
@@perfectlybalancedasallthin9319 yes really, considering how (fcking again) op trade value is
@@Maethendias But Gestalts don't have to care about things like consumer goods, and even Machine Empires don't need food. Trade value isn't OP considering you need to spend lots of resources upgrading starbases. Furthermore, Gestalts can spam more anchorages or shipyards instead of trade hubs.
@@perfectlybalancedasallthin9319 trade gives ungodly amounts of energy, and can be slotted for unity too
aspec, why didnt you even mention much less talk about station side trade protection over paroling fleets? if you do it right cant you protect all your trade routs without using a single ship?
Yeah, particularly with hangar bays, which have double -range- _protection._ Also build gateways in your capital and in any system with a trade collection or protection station, and you won't ever again have to worry about pyracy...
It wasn't mentioned in the Reddit thread he read about this in.
@@jjkthebest Ah, yeah, sorry, my bad, I edited it, thanks.
IamI3rian
And that was?
"My god, that hair is out of control" Lmao, thanks for making me laugh and making this understandable video!
That title. That title! You sir, deserve a cookie.
Wow finally a video that helps me save my over capacitated 48 star base limit lol. Well I ended up making vassal empires to solve that energy problem.
Helpful tips. If you ever find yourself saying “incredibly non straight forward” I find “obfuscated” rolls off the tongue nicely
Ringworlds and habitats can generate a crazy amount of trade value with the right districts
Also just feel the need to include that I would've never gotten this far in the game without your videos I've probably put like five to ten views on each cuz I'll watch and play mine with my impatient ass 😂
I my latest game I centralized most of my trade value in my capital system, which had 3 habitable planets (I changed the location of my capital). I had more than 1200 trade value by 2350 and it was veeeery easily defendable, making my empire THE economic power of the galaxy.
I didn't think you could shift-click patrols. My experience has them patrol then move/stop. Also you can route your trade to individual stations before your capital so you can set up highways. Makes patrols easier.
when you get warpgate tech you no longer need to worry about pirates as trade routes will use them so you can have a gate in each collection system and your home system and negate the chance at piracy
I googled the trade route stuff because it's not explained in the game or on the wiki.
I have also made a singular fleet of Corvettes that's just set to patrolling my space to suppress Piracy, while I have 1-2 other fleets (for now) building up to try and take out threats to my Empire.
Thankfully I haven't gone to war yet, which is good. Because somehow I feel like my tech tree is kinda lagging. My fleet power definitely is.
Consumer benefits is great for keeping on top of your consumer goods costs if you're running utopian abundance.
I want a mod that make food local and you need to move it from producers to consumers with the trade routes. Also decoupling energy from money using trade value as currency while energy is a local resource of the planet (or system), giving a reason to build energy sectors instead of powering factories with "energy" from trade centers.
I know I've asked for a video or two about other shit but I figured that stuff out through forums well most of it. I'd really like to see a list of unique technologies and which are the best in your opinion and statistically if the two don't fall in together. I just took over my first fallen empire. The ancient care takers. And got dark matter stuff
Yes how to route it, can I make it a highway to the trading zone.
just getting into this game. I kinda get the trade stuff now. +769 energy credits? Amazing. Also surprised there's no synergy in fleet construction. I figured a balanced fleet composition makes them all better.
i've been trying to figure out the name of a game for over a year and because of the steam notification I figured it out lol
took me awhile that trade value can boost your economy
It would be nice if you explained in greater detail how pirate suppression works because I have corvettes patrolling trade routes and I'm still having problems with pirate raids.
You can just press on the starbase button of the system (right of it's name) in galaxy map view. Don't need to go inside the system :)
"The spice, the spice melange."
2:16 "My god, that hair is out of control." 🤣
If I had a say in other trade boosts, I'd tie it to diplomacy by making trades with other empires more valuable with a higher internal trade value.
the Hyperlane beacon gives 1 to trade too. for stations
11:05 "oops I accidentally put on the anti-piracy suppresion part instead of the piracy suppression part"
My hair looks like that too lol
tbh i think trade routs in stellaris should be more like civ v's method. where you build a few trade ships. or maybe a trade fleet and they go back and fourth between a route with value and they carry the trade value to different empires or whatever. if your route has more trade value it would require more trade ships and if they were futher they would need more to carry it all. and obviously people should be able to take the ships during wars and take that wealth for themselves.
Converting trade value into 0.5 energy credits and 0.25 consumer goods is only valid if consumer goods price is above 2 *(as kindly pointed out by Sphaera Invictus) energy credits. If it sinks any lower it's more beneficial to convert it 1 to 1 into energy credits and buy what consumer goods you need on the market.
classicfrog80
Not 4 but 2. You are trading away 0.5 energy to get 0.25 consumer goods which means you are operating at a 1:2 ratio. Basically trade value=1 energy=0.5 energy + x, meaning x is worth 0.5 energy.
Incidentally the base market price of consumer goods is in fact 2.
And you are of course absolutely right. I should pay more attention to what I type in the future.
Not only that, there is other use of it. If you want more or most of your minerals to get converted into alloy yet still have good research output, you have to get most of your consumer goods for non researcher Pops from trade value, the artisans will mainly provide for researchers, non researchers need are provided by trade value. If you want even more of your minerals to be allocated for alloy production, then trade value will also provide part of the researchers cons. goods needs (the good thing about it is less artisans means less building slots for civilian industries means more building slot for foundries or labs)
Most useful at early-mid game (2200-2300) when building slots are still scarce on all your planets, whether it's wide or tall play style. After this, if you want to do some or a lot of wars, it's better to switch to wealth creation policy and start producing more cons. goods through artisans because your armada will need high energy upkeep, research focused peaceful empire may choose to stay the same a bit longer
A good policy combo is consumer benefits and militarized economy
Only thing I have learned about trade routes is that once they are established to the point you get gateways they are a chore to manage.fleets upon fleets trying to keep piracy down.
THE SPICE MUST FLOW!!!
Playing eu4 i have no idea, played around in stellaris for a minute and i had it figured out
you are wrong there is an indication of how far away it it colected, when you have a station selected that middle somberor like icon will go blue instead of grey if it is being collected by the selected starbass. It;s not a good indicator... but it's an indicator.
i thought i was a master playing Grand Admiral but had no idea about how trade routes were suppose to go to your home world, Turns out i was playing deeply sub optimally because i had like 100,000 theoretical trade but since that was outside the range of my Capital i was actually getting 484. I was confused because i had like 12 commercial ring worlds well stocked with pops but still in the red then i rolled over my produce and saw my trade and that led me here.
Smallest ships are not the corvettes, but the hangarbay fighters. What about a patrolling battleship with nothing but hangar slots?
Doesn’t work sadly.
@@Betrix5060 Would be awesome, though
nah. TBH just use gateways and hangarbay citadelles. it's a pain devoting fleet power to patrols
Who needs defense stations when you can simply keep a collection range 7 station on your home world, and slam some gateways everywhere? :P
I did get the impression that the current trade system is an alpha. Foundation is in. They can build off that. Id like a living systems style trade route.
I imagine Trade as a mechanic might be improved with the diplomacy update, when they get around to making it.
Hopefully they wait to even START making it until the $20 month and a half old DLC is functional.
@@iami3rian394 I would hope so, but I also don't believe Diplomacy is coming soon though.
@@TheOnlyAlchimous better be at least three months out.
Five if their speed at fixing the AI is any indication.
A lot of my late game is based on optimizing and expanding trade
Wow
around 12 mins you set up the patrol but the ship isn't actually patrolling you miss clicked somewhere
and systems without a trade route can have a million piracy but nothing will happen. Like Julau at 12:49
also a good way to protect your trade routes is with space stations. any upgraded space station will completely remove pirates.
in the end i will set up my routes either directly with gateways to have only direct jumps to my capital or if needed i will build a anchorage station in the systems that need protections.
also you didn't mention hangar bays for space stations at all and how to protect long trade routes with minimal amount of bastions
and lastly what i noticed you didn't mention that an upgraded space station will collect all trade value within the same system and will generate a trade route.
with that in mind you can actively avoid building space ports in systems with a planet so the trade value can be gathered by a big Trade Hub to minimize the pirate problem. because a trade hub will ignore systems that are already coverd by a different space station.
"He who controls the spice controls the universe!"
i wont the hyperlane registra to boost trade that passes through it. there effectively space highways it goes without saying.
Somewhat new to Stellaris, n I'm obsessed with learning! Playing solo against a.i and so far I established alliance with 3 nations. While 1 nation has prevented a allied nation from expansion. This I've been supplying them with alloys/minerals to be able to defend there border's. Untill I or another allied nation can break through. I'm trying to form a federation, but also checking my allies strength should they decided to turn on me. Is that even a thing? Regardless or not I'm looking forward to my first major battle. So far it just space omeaba. Also look forward to my first multiplayer match
Spends first 30 seconds explaining where the button is not found
this was a mechanic I started off utterly clueless about. I had a fairly large empire and simply could NOT figure out how I was supposed to get enough energy credits. then I accidently click my trade routes map one day and realize everything was red. go about connecting everything to my capital and suddenly I go from like -30 energy credits a month to like 3k energy a month. I'm like WOOOO! then like 6 months later I'm panicking because my empire is filled with pirates. learning about trade routes was a very bumpy road for me. eventually I solved the crisis via gateway spam and large scale spam of citadelles full of fighter bays. now tons of systems have totally redundant gateways and bastions all across my empire! is travel faster? oh hell yea. luckily this was after the end game crisis so no worries about the unbidden dropping by to say hello.
I know you can use the gates to transport trade with 0 loss but from a military standpoint any enemy could just pop up at any given time right by your capital
They can't, gateway requires permission, unlike wormhole (which is a natural gateway), and l gates
If you're at war with someone, they won't be able to just pop instantly on the other exit of all gateways in your territory, even if those systems is considered occupied.
But generally placing gateways in the rim of your territory is always a bad idea, because against enemy who can flip ownership of systems to neutral (mostly endgame crisis) they will be able to use their gateway and your former rim gateway to reinforce their fleets very fast and keep the pressure on your territory constantly
Me,who moved my capital to a city world and basically shot my trade values: PANIC
i still cant get my dang ships to patrol. I click the patrol button I then right click the place i want them to patrol to and back from, but they always stop when they get there...
What are those circles around galaxy map? also, do borderlines looks this way by default, or is it modded?
personally i find hangar bays on starbases to be most effective against pirates