What's Causing the Trans Explosion? - Helen Joyce
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Helen Joyce is the author of 'Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality' and the director of advocacy for 'Sex Matters', a campaign group on a mission to re-establish that sex matters in rules, laws, policies, language and culture. www.thehelenjoyce.com/
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
05:18 Has Technology Affected the Number of People Transitioning?
08:40 Motivations for Transitioning: Gender-Nonconforming Children and Gay Adults
11:35 Why Aren’t We Able to Discuss the Trans Issue in an Open and Honest Way?
13:23 Gender Dysphoria & Boys Who Transition Later in Life
24:16 Have Previous Mental Health Issues Over Time Become Trans Issues?
30:18 The Trans Issue in the Prison System
43:25 How to Safeguard Children
51:14 Is the UK Making Progress?
1:01:16 What's the One Thing We’re Not Talking About
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CHAPTERS 👇
00:00 Intro
05:18 Has Technology Affected the Number of People Transitioning?
08:40 Motivations for Transitioning: Gender-Nonconforming Children and Gay Adults
11:35 Why Aren’t We Able to Discuss the Trans Issue in an Open and Honest Way?
13:23 Gender Dysphoria & Boys Who Transition Later in Life
24:16 Have Previous Mental Health Issues Over Time Become Trans Issues?
30:18 The Trans Issue in the Prison System
43:25 How to Safeguard Children
51:14 Is the UK Making Progress?
1:01:16 What's the One Thing We’re Not Talking About
LGB Alliance is the future more Detrans keep speaking out, and this delusional trans woman that could get hurt in prison is pointless as if these so called trans women are harmless why are they getting put in prison if they are decent people? 🤣
Things will get far worse with a Labour government. Canada, Wales, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, France, Germany, the US under Biden... socialists actually want the NWO, with one global socialist governmemt, and a submissive Liberally confused population.
All the bad things have happened in every country! Not just here under a Tory government. Tories obeyed the rules from the puppeteers pulling their strings but they resisted at times.
But the more socialist the country, the worse these bad things have been. Only socialist countries have mandated jabs, masks and lockdowns and want to see them permanent, for any trumped cause..... like the climate !
Comments are being deleted or made non-visible. Is this YT's work?
*You know how long Ive been pointing this pattern out to people? Theres ONE thing that all the LEFTY WHACKY craziness has in common. It DOESN'T result in ONE thing - OFFSPRING. This is about STERILIZATION. FINALLY, someone else gets it.*
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Try clicking on "latest"; they might reappear.
I am a gay man. I was a feminine boy who would have ticked all the trans boxes. The thought that if I were a kid today this could have been me is absolutely terrifying.
Yes, exactly. If you were on the very feminine of the male trajectory you would most certainly have had this deforming surgery pushed on you. Absolutely. Im glad you were born before all this Frankenstein nonsense
What would have happened to you? You might have decided to be called "she" for a couple of weeks to decide whether that worked for you, and then decided it didn't and gone on with your life.
Don't buy the lies of anti-trans campaigners; they're anti-gay too.
@@qwertyTRiG I would have been socially transitioned. Then given puberty blockers to chemically castrate me before I even knew what sex is and then have whatever was left of my genitals cut off. I would be a pretty ugly pseudowoman without the ability to ever experience an orgasm. That's what is happening to thousands of gender non-conforming (gay!) kids today. And people like you rather turn a blind eye because it doesn't fit into your comfortable LGBTQIA "be kind" narrative. But the truth will come to haunt you sooner or later.
Dito. I don't understand so many 'progressives' don't see this/believe this, and think it's being ovelry dramatic. It really, really isn't.
@P. O. Because we live in the real world, not in a conspiracy theorist's imagination.
I honestly think Blaire White is right about the fact that in the future, society is gonna look back at this time and be just as horrified about these surgeries as we are now about the fact that doctors used to perform lobotomies.
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Maybe he should look back and see how ridiculous he is now
@@davidjordan6159
Well if you obeyed the lockdown edicts, wore the muzzle of obedience and took the jabs you have much muck more to be ashamed of...
@@electriceyeswatching4415 sure but what’s that got to do with trannies??
As a gay man, I was warning people this would happen and I was called a bigot.
I tried discussing this at work one time, and I got chewed up for being gay and not supporting trans people. And of course they called me a bigot too.
Thank you for speaking the truth anyways!
Christians warned this would happen too and were called worse by the LGBT community. You all opened the door to this, now deal with it.
@@TheFakeyCakeMakerno what you Christians wanted was people who are lesbian gay or bisexual to basically be mentally tortured by conversion therapy and to not treat them as equals to straight people.
Keep warning people ❤
What Helen says about the fetishistic aspect of women's spaces is so true. We can see videos of these men talking about buying boxes of tampons and just enjoying being able to carrying them around in their handbags. It's so obviously a kink.
If these men (who think they are a woman) could really experience a menstrual period they would change their minds about being a woman very quickly!
Oh No, wasn't King Charles recorded talking about himself saying he wanted to be a tampon to his then mistress Camilla ... the world is beyond wieird!
Right. Its a form of dominating woman basically... "oh u think u can have your privacy from me? Think again" its clearly a form of spite that gets them off
I just saw a video of a "trans woman" who bought tampons and literally took a video sitting on the toilet and inserting one, then talking briefly about how it felt. It's insane.
The video obviously didn't actually _show_ the private bits (if I'm remembering correctly, it was just from the chest/torso area up), but still. It's bizarre.
And it's bizarre that the mainstream now consider it normal for a biological male to take and post a video playing with a tampon and inserting it into a surgically made vagina. Posted publicly, for people of anyone and everyone to watch.
Yeah, even boyfriends secretly love shopping for these things. There has to be some weird fetish to it.
1960s: Girls play with Barbies, boys play with trucks.
1990s: Boys can play with Barbies, girls can play with trucks.
2020s: If you play with a Barbie, you must be a girl.
Yep- we're regressing due to trans 'rights'.
@@northernsoul4477 great point very true
True 💯
2023 if you are a boy playing with a Barbie, you will be castrated
Nope. And the percentage of trans people in the United States is nowhere near the number in all the countries around the world where it has been accepted for thousands of years. That includes parts of the United States, by the way, with both the Native Americans and the Hawaiians. So, do you want to have another guess, or is that all you've got?
She is not hateful or bigoted . . . she is thoughtful and sympathetic and the really scary part is she can think for herself
The word bigot has been weaponozed to silence any valid criticism or questions and is a useless term at this point
She uses logic, which is cryptonide to ideology. People always will believe what they want to be true.
How is thinking for yourself scary?
@@hadast3806 HELEN JOYCE CONDONES GENOCIDE
Same with racism homophobia
It’s losing their power as the backlash begins. They can thank Tranz for it.
I am gay, and i desperately wanted to be a woman as a teen and even wished I could get a surgery or take a pill to become one. I hated being a male.
Now i am very happy to be a male, and it scares me how easily i would have latched onto this ideology.
In an inteveiw with( All In ) podcast episode 138 , vivek ramaswamy says that the Trans movement is Anti Gay . He says that it goes against the narrative that you were born gay , if you are (Gender Fluid) He said we would be modeling ourselves like Iran In Iran you can be Transgender since the late 80’s as long as you get reassignment surgery. Homosexuality is forbidden however ,actually it’s punishable by deathin Iran.
Wow that’s insane
I'm happy you embrace who you are. I really wish society was more accepting of feminine men and masculine women.
when i study this issue, you were required 2 years of psychotherapy, before being allowed to transition. there was a reason for that, because this is an irreversible surgery, and people need to make sure they really wanted, rather than it being a different psychological issue.
Now we see people taking advantage of the vulnerable. They don't understand. They think most children interested are suicidal and don't understand they are suicidal, an more likely to be interested in a change to end that part. The worse part is they lie to children to encourage them to change.
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I'm a large built woman 20 inch broad shoulders (that's larger than average men) I'm tall and athletic. I felt so pressured to be more "girly" because i was so strong. I was often labeled a lesbian even though i wasn't because I was not the typical female. I embraced my strength and body which is beautiful because it's mine. I am grateful i wasn't a kid today because I am sure I would have been pressured into being a trans man.
Thats amazing. It's beautiful to accept the way you're built because it's like- those are your genes, your ancestors, all culminated in one form. Their blood flows through your veins. Your mother, her mother, and the fathers before your father are all contained within your genetic makeup. Their struggles to make it in the world, and even further back, hunt for food or toil for grain all resonate in the fact that they lived and were able to eventually pass their genes onto you. Shit is so beautiful to me.
@@baskey3723that’s kind of an exaggeration. Genes don’t exactly work like that especially if they’re not dominate genes
On the one hand the internet is full of incels being angry because they don't understand why women prefer to sleep with men who want to make them feel good, and those men who make videos saying they don't want women, but instead of leaving women alone, they sit all day online trying to make women feel bad about themselves and promoting others abuse women. Then on the other hand there are men who want to be women.
I'm not even 5 feet tall, but my boyfriend matter-of-factly told me that I "look like a lesbian"... I am not masculine at all, I'm just not pretty.... and I knew he was being narrow minded because women's sexual orientation has nothing to do with how a woman looks. Straight men don't seem to know that women don't have to be models to be straight... and some models might be gay. But the rise in teenage girls having gender confusion might have a lot to do with this attitude that only idealistically beautiful women can be straight women. Its only worth being straight if men find me beautiful. Being a plain looking straight woman has its challenges, but I'm still straight... being a straight woman is more than being favoured by the tik tok algorithm.
Well Plutoliver maybe that's because YOU HAVE A BACKBONE. Those seem in desperately short supply these days. Path of least resistance, path of getting social acceptance, the road which leads to destruction is wide and there are many traveling companions. The paths of the wise are and always have been lonely and narrow, but they lead to life.
I'm a lesbian and agree. They are also punishing young women who have sexual trauma therefore are terrified of living in a female body with a female identity. Instead of actually trying to help them work through the issues. You know what, people can call us bigots, we know that we are standing on the right side of history ✊
You condone genocide
just like when people were called bigots when fighting the gay movement
Poverty causes crime like a lack of sex causes abuse. Most men today are not violent because they have access. Throw the world back into a jungle where the king gets all the women and the rest of men are serfs and you'll have chimp reproductive strategy of untold violence. Thats why young black men are so criminal. They cant find a mate without making money to get status, requiring selling drugs, ending up in gun fights over territory.
@@Steven9567 you beat gay people
Agree. Tranz is going to be seen as a medical horror rather than solving anything
Tiktok has caused an explosion of mental illness and made it trendy. I was a tomboy, I climbed trees, I had tonka toys, hated dolls, when I got my periods I was devastated cos I thought boys have it so much easier and told my parents I wished I was a boy. Now I know I was just a bloody tomboy, I wasn't the wrong gender, I wasn't gay I just thought boys had it so much easier than girls. I'm now okay to be a woman, I'm not happy about my body I'm not all feminine but I'm a woman and I'm satisfied with that. As a plus I have a wonderful husband and a wonderful son and 2 gorgeous grandkids so there are perks to being who and what I am
Exactly! The best thing you can be is yourself. Victim mentality is something we all grapple with, but authorities are teaching young people they're helpless victims and must lash out at everything. Even their own biology! The road to nowhere. I think this will be the turning point. Sensible people are starting to see this has gone completely out of control. When they come for the kids, it's time to fight. If not, they won't even need re-education camps for that generation, they'll be the devoted enforcers. Just like in Maos China, that's the same mentality behind all this imo. Congrats on your family 😊
If you would have had the same experience in this culture you would have no husband, children and likely no happiness.
And when you consider that China owns Tiktok it's interesting to think how they are manipulating our kids. When you look at China's policies for their own kids they have high time restrictions for internet use.
I believe this is the reason why women up to a certain point have been much more understanding of trans people because we all had a few years where we didn‘t fit into our bodies until we adapted to our womanly body which had boobs, hips and continually bled once a month. It‘s a lot.
But Helen Joyce is right, sex is binary and there are ‚sexual spaces‘ that need to be kept on the binary.
If sex doesn‘t equal gender (as I‘ve been told ?!), and there are multiple genders, and there are kids on twitter making up neopronouns and identifying as Thespians and claiming to identify as „wolfself“,….
will I as a veterinarian next be obliged to ‚validate their identity‘ and treat them with animal medicine? No?
Don‘t be silly, you say?
Well, if biology doesn‘t count, this is absolutely the same as a transwoman claiming to be female.
Will I maybe have to look the other way while they piss on a tree because their wolfself is currently presenting, or can I still call the police for public urination/defakation?
This needs to stop, we must return to rationally discussing how to be more accepting of people without having the need to slap a label on them to then go and treat mental health issues with surgery.
As vets we have been doing that all the time, it‘s called castration.
Don‘t want your hypersexual stallion be ‚difficult‘ all the time? Chop it off.
Your dog is so dominant and aggressive all the time? Chop it off.
Sexual hormones are doing amazing things to the body, character and brain development.
Why do we tell people to not fix their bitch so they can fully develop instead of having a needy insecure dog their whole life. There are multiple studies on this, but yet we think it‘s ok to do it to kids?
We are treating self identified teenage kids worse than our pets? How did we get here?
You made some great points. Particularly about the wolf self craziness evolving along the same lines as this mess. Thanks for your comment.
I had a horrific man deep breathing in a female toilet. I quickly came out of the toilet to get away, and the huge not so feminine, cross dressed person rushed out too and said, "Hello sexy" to me! It was the scariest thing ever! I told the manager and was told that I was being transphobic! They didn't believe me and the man made out as if I was lying. I was so shaken. I never used public loos anymore if I can help it or I check all cubicles to make sure no one is there. Failing that, I just used the disabled toilet since it's for one person at a time.
I had a creep come into in the women's bathroom dressed in yoga pants and a crop top with makeup on and he was CLEARLY aroused.
I'm over this nonsense now. Do what you want on your own time but STAY OUT of women's spaces.
Helen Joyce is doing the world a huge service by speaking so plainly and directly on this issue, thank you
And she’s being fearless
@@jacobjorgenson9285 Yes, but she is banned from BBC and not allowed a voice. What does that tell you?
In an inteveiw with( All In ) podcast episode 138 , vivek ramaswamy says that the Trans movement is Anti Gay . He says that it goes against the narrative that you were born gay , if you are (Gender Fluid) He said we would be modeling ourselves like Iran In Iran you can be Transgender since the late 80’s as long as you get reassignment surgery. Homosexuality is forbidden however ,actually it’s punishable by deathin Iran.
''Gender dysphoria is something that society creates.'' Absolute nail on the head 👏 I am an autistic adult. As a teenager, I was extremely self-conscious and still even now don't tend to conform to gender norms. I don't wear dresses, I rarely wear makeup and yet I know I am a woman. It's not just gay kids - it's autistic kids they're sterilising too. Autistic kids are far more likely not to conform to gender norms too.
Yes!!! This needs to get attention! Some may have also not even yet been diagnosed on the spectrum.
And … puberty is just a difficult and confusing time … it’s hard … surgery and hormones won’t make it less difficult.
being on the spectrum doesnt mean youre rtrded ebough to chop your tits off. Sane thing with gay people. Lmao you people relly think all autistics and gays are falling for this?
I'm so glad you said this as I'm on the same page as you, female (born this way but very tom boy and used to like" boy" activities more than girly stuff) diagnosed with Aspergers in early 40s, now nearly 50. There has been an explosion of transgender people in my area (West Midlands uk) and most of them are also on the spectrum, some are undiagnosed.
Transgender people have to struggle from the ignorance of people believing that being trans is something people make up and choose to be. Gender Identity isnt nurtured, and it's very unscientific to say people arent born that way when we already have evidence.
The reality is that gender dysphoria exists.
The reality is that the only way to get rid of the anxiety of being the "wrong" gender is to change gender. The proof is in studies conducted on the brains of recently deceased transgender peoples. Go read up on some of that stuff it's actually hella interesting.
Considering the amount of research, I have done on hormones. I happen to have more of an interest in biology than the average person and what’s amazing about that is people have been studying the affects of transitioning since the early 1900s
1917 Allen L Hart
1931 Dora richter
1930-31 lili elbe surgery done by magnus hirschfeld
And many more
@@tinam761 He wasn’t the first to say it, yet still it goes on
She's right about men who transition to women. They become caricatures of what they think a stereotypical woman is.
Yes absolutely yes! Find a different title if they must, men, women and ? but REAL women, they are not and it's obvious that they are not even trying to be. I'm weary of trans women telling me (a biological woman) how to be a better woman!
Yeah agree. That is a really good point.
I have known a few and it is kind of disgusting, they will even pretend to be pre-menstrual and get upset if they are not acknowledged to be menstruating
No they don't...except in your imagination. You have them mixed up with drag queens and transvestites. Buy a ticket to reality.
Exactly. High heels/short skirts. Never baggy dresses or jeans & sports tees.
It’s interesting to note that we often hear about trans women invading women’s spaces and diminishing their existence, while trans men respectfully accept their differences and try to integrate. It’s always the women who have to accommodate and adbicate in favour of those who were born a man…
Exactly, because trans "women" are men, and men historically (not all but the evil narcisstic ones) rape and pillage, taking by force what is not theirs to take.
Evil, narcisstic, TOXIC men are the same whether in pants, or in skirts and clown makeup as is the current trend.
no.
trans men are easier accepted than trans women because you don't see the difference of a trans man on T while its much much harder for a trans woman to transition while on estrogen. yall are so cruel.
some trans men still get their periods and it's a weird and inconvinient struggle because they still have to switch pads in public spaces occasionally, AND THERE ARE NO BINS IN THE CUBICALS FOR MEN LOL
You do get the odd me tal trans man screaming at people but you're right it is 99% trans women
The most undeniable example of "male privilege", is the way that """trans-women""" get treated...
All over the Western world, we've had convicted raapists claim to be "REALLY a woman", to get access to womens prison (Gee, I can't imagine WHY such a man would want to get into women's prison? Mysterious, huh?) ...and in almost ALL cases, the all-important "validation" of ONE, SINGLE man (who is a goddam RAPlST...) was prioritized above the basic right to safety, and to be free of risk of raape, of the DOZENS, often HUNDREDS of women in those prisons...
You will NEVER, E V E R see an instance, where the concerns of women (no matter HOW MANY women, no matter HOW SERIOUS or URGENT their concerns may be), are prioritized above even the most frivolous, petty desire of a man/"""trans-woman""".
THOUSANDS of women want fair sports?!? D'oh, that's too bad... coz we have ONE man in a dress, who keeps getting beaten in HIS OWN class, so... Sorry girls...
Frogs vs scorpions... It's just their nature to be like that.
This woman is brilliant. A mathematically rigorous and non-biased mind applied to contemporary social phenomena.
As a woman who has had to have my ovaries removed from disease, I cannot fathom why someone would choose to do this to themselves. This surgery ruined my life 😢 I believe it’s completely unethical for a doctor to remove perfectly healthy body parts from physically healthy people. I say “physically healthy” because I think they are not “ mentally healthy”
I’d also like to add that there has been a major increase in people taking Estrogen, that women like me are struggling to get it, which our bodies actually really need, because men want to become women 😒 They can’t keep up with the increase in demand. The number of people taking it has doubled since 2017.
I’d also like to add that yesterday I actually had a trans person tell me I was entitled and selfish for wanting to keep all the estrogen for myself and not caring about others happiness 🙄 They told me I probably don’t really even need it…..um….wait….you are telling a woman she doesn’t need estrogen but a man does!? these people are insulting.
Wish I was there. I would've slapped the teeth out of that idiot. This is how much it pisses me off.
@@disturbed1013 thank you 🙏🏼 I really would appreciate that 😄
Evil times when mankind lives according to the imagination of their own evil hearts.. (Jeremiah 12) and do what seems right to them regardless of the TRUTH of reality or the WORD OF GOD! They ignore the truths spoken by the Creator and GOD HIMSELF!
Truths evident in creation itself! As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... and speak up and not just knob my head in political corruption pushing all this nonsense...and I will pray for those that are sadly caught up in all this, especially the children and young adults
I had a hysterectomy, and one ovary, fallopian tubes removed, and I need estradiol/estrogen, otherwise I feel like I am being roasted in an oven. The planet has gone mad.
what they want to be and what they become is two different things yes women who need the meds should be top of that list men wanting to be women should not be on that list because you cannot become a woman on an operating table if they think they can they are delusional and need proper help and not the quacks telling them they are trans
I hope any kids reading this, will know that it's ok to be a feminine man or a butch woman. You do not need surgery or hormones to be your authentic selves.. you can dress however you like, you can pursue any career, you can choose your hobbies... None of that involves permanent medical treatment that might leave you unable to achieve orgasm or unable to urinate without pain.
Would give more than one like to this comment if it were possible.
This is the message that adolescents going through puberty need to hear, condensed in just one short paragraph.
Triggernometry please pin this comment so that it stays as the top comment.
And you are what is wrong with the right. It's not ok for a boy to dress as a girl
please pin this
I hope so, too.
Buck Angel used to do porn and may still do it. She is a horrible role model for anyone but esp. young people.
This woman speaks for me - I have a 12 year old daughter who I won't let use public bathrooms anymore unless I am with her and her massive Dad/ex-soldier is nearby...this is reality now
the whole thing is a big scam to make money for doctors and surgeons without morals or psychological skills; and for entitled men to trample all over what's left of the rights of women, and girls including sport. And also to create opportunities for pedophiles and rapists - getting into women's prisons and bathrooms. And yes at least one such rape has already happened.
What reality? Because if there would be a massive amount of transwomen causing problems in public restrooms DON'T YOU THINK WE WOULD'VE FUCKING HEARD ABOUT IT?
Sorry for being so harsh and offensive but as a transwoman I am sick and tired of all the bullshit flung around by idiots like you.
Because you know what you also tell your daughter unconsciously? Fear all men. Fear all of them, for all are rapists (except her father then obviously).
The next message it also sends is this: Fear all transpeople! Fear all of them, for all of them are able to be recognized as serial rapists!
Why I am saying this?
Because it runs the serious risk of having someone develop an unhealthy amount of distrust and even paranoia for anyone that might not look feminine enough.
When you say that children run the risk of being sexually abused by transpeople, you create the opportunity by basically giving off the message that just because you say you can recognize all transpeople, they can to, and that that's the red flag to watch out for.
And then, that one day they meet someone that exhibits ALL the red flags for being a sexually abusive person who isn't trans but appears like a lovely woman, it is to late and she would never have guessed women can sexually abusive creatures to.
The reason I mention this is because someone I once met during a therapy group had a mom who at an inappropriately young age (younger than your daughter you are now indoctrinating with a fear for rape by all men except her father) warned her about "the boys, because they only want to get in your pants."
That was a remark she obviously didn't understand prior to puberty but made her at least pretty aware of boys who she kept at a distance, even though not fully understanding why, but when puberty did eventually hit late, she had already been sexually abused by her female mentor in school.
Why? Because she was never taught that women can be sexually abusive to, she had been brought up to have such a hyperfocus on boys/men being the wrong kind of person there, that she never even realized the danger could be coming from somewhere else.
And while yes, I know your story isn't true, you are just making reality up, transwomen are not invading public restrooms in thousands each day, you are just believing the bullshit that Helen Joyce spreads, I do still want to explain that you can't "clock" every transperson because you think that every transperson has difficulties passing.
Should someone have difficulties passing, that still doesn't warrant you to become horrible to a person who might just need to pee really bad.
I also simply want to ask you to ask your husband what it is he does in a male restroom, because you make it sound like men are just oversexed creatures that at the first moment drop their pants to wave their dick around, and it is just not true.
Stop believing Helen Joyce, and stop instilling a fear for all men on your daughter.
Definitely teach her about boundaries and consent, but not to fear all men, because that is what you do, inadvertently.
Better she uses the disabled toilet. That's what I do these days after I had a deep breather in a cubicle next to me!
It was so refreshing listening to Helen. She was well spoken and tell it as it is, such a brilliant woman
Sterilizing is an understatement. They're butchers, who aren't just removing reproduction, but any sexual expression, which is something that's part of adult intimacy and bonding.
You are right. A simple vasectomy is sterilization.
That hammers it home. Severely hindering someone from engaging in intimacy and bonding...
Cauterising their humanity.
If they were taking livers, hearts, lungs and kidnneys there'd be a scandal, but this is ok.
and the worst part is these people think its reversible, that human beings (huge complex structures of cells who just by nature are rife with mutative errors) are moddable like we're some fantasy cyberpunk universe (where you constantly change your mind and poof change your body) but the reality being more like irreversible mutant cyborgs like the Strogg in Quake (where a bullet in the brain is the best way out of it).
we can barely manipulate atoms, how in hell would you imagine manipulating an entire universe worth of atoms and have these cells work together after such traumatic damage????
There's a reason why the entire field of medicine HATES surgeries, that curing a problem through non-invasive means are million times better, because every cut is an exponential rise in complications!
As a female, when I was an adolescent, my own gender dysphoria came from a mother who was a pervert toward me and a father who reminded me everyday he hated me because I was a girl and he had wanted a son. Childhood abuse messes people up
Yes and this is a huge part of the problem that is just ignored.
Amen. Hope you're doing better now.
@@kellharris2491 I agree. No one wants to even start to deal with the major problem that is child abuse. For one reason, it's hidden. And children are afraid to tell. They may not process their abuse for years and years.
Yes and the abuse experienced by parents, grandparents and hoevermany generations past and forward.
@@knit1purl1 If at all
When I was a small boy strangers thought I was a girl.
Still remember them saying 'what a nice girl you have here', sweet cute with long hair, and sweet character. (Too much bullying for that later)
Invited in frendly kids houses, I was playing with dollhouses if I could find them, it excited me. I remember the various Parents commending on that...
My closest friend, a female, says that sometimes I think exactly like a woman.
However I never wanted to be a girl myself, they just fascinated me and still do. I always thought the most wonderful things in the Universe were GIrls, now Women.
I never never wanted to be a girl, not even when men tried to rape me, seduce me, abuse me sexually, and I still distrust all men and dont have Male close Friends 40 years later.
Some tried to convince me that I was Gay, and in Today's culture they would Probably convince me that I had Gender discomfort and should become Trans- No, I didnt... I was Feminine in some things, and Masculine in others, I am aroused by Females and I am happy to be a Male able to appreciate their majestic beauty.
We can be anything, and No One should put LABELS to us and operate on our body or soul, for our 'good'.
With how unfamiliar a lot of people are with these concepts, it has given them the impression that it is their duty to help and guide others that they believe fit that stereotype. Ironically, those people are doing exactly what people have been criticizing for decades now. I digress. The people that think they are helping to discover a person's identity are likely misguided and fail to understand that it is up to that person to understand themselves and find the label - or not - that fits them best. No one knows themselves better than themselves.
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Its so contradictory. Their argument is gender and roles are a social construct and yet the same people preaching this are also prone to support the narrative that anyone who deviates from these roles was probably born into the wrong body and must be trans. That's eating your cake and having it as well.
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Brilliant conversation mates!! As a born female I find the whole trans movement quite bizarre. My heart truly goes out to confused teenagers who are lied and brainwashed into ruining their bodies. Tragic.
Nailed it, no one asked women if we are ok with men entering our woman private spaces. I am not ok with it for myself, NOR my Daughters period. Women need to demand an end to this.
As a man I stand up for your rights to be in a safe environment changing rooms ect because if I don't I could never let my 6 year old daughter go near them without me ask a real woman to go in there and look for a bloke inside and I'd have to stand outside to stop a bloke goin in there untill my daughter comes back out.. this world is goin down the drain.
Women fought for their rights and now they'll have to fight for them again
Unfortunately no woman will step forward to do so. Hence it is assumed that women are agreeable to it. Those who do so publicly will be canceled and harassed as transphobic
But yet men are cool with it right?
@@DR-xr8gv The men who are demanding access to women's bathrooms, locker rooms, etc. are clearly "cool with it".
@@jaelzion women view men as predatory and it's not in line with reality. there really is no study that demonstrates dividing bathrooms decreases sex offenses. I think ya just want something to moan about. All men are rapists, all homeless people use drugs and throw trash everywhere.They are assumptive thinking.
Ah, she’s a mathematician. Explains a lot. Math doesn’t tolerate illogical nonsense.
Hmm when she says . we know most rapes aren't reported isn't very logical though
@@debumper it is. Only muppets insist on the contrary
Imaginary numbers is a bit mad. And infinity - that's nuts too. Charles Dodgson was a mathematician and he loved illogical nonsense!
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How can we possibly know it they are unreported? Think about it.
And in addition, if there was no conviction it is because the jury found that guilt was not beyond reasonable doubt, in which case you do not know he was guilty, so that statistic is meaningless as well.
@@debumper but true apparently
She has it nailed, she can see what is going on...
My mother was a nut. She'd have signed me up for tran surgery because it would call attention to her. I was an extremely disliked child to begin with and I kept quiet and always agreed with her. Around my other relatives I was significantly more rambunctious and I was a tomboy. The set up was clear. I feel so sorry for these children. But most of all I blame these doctors. They do know what they are doing and someday there will be an accounting for them.
Why don’t you blame your mother ?
You make a very good point. Narcissistic parents will lap up their child being trans just for the attention
Most people don't get this, but it is much worse then you think. Do you acknowledge that there are people in the world who are sadists and would tremendously enjoy cutting someone up? What do you think is the ideal profession for them from their point of view?
Very interesting point. A sort of Munchosen syndrome by proxy-kinda thing going on.
@JckSwan And based on the same psychosis that the Munchausin by proxy is. (I) need attention, Doctors are important, if they pay attention to me then I am important. With strangers she was grandiose. She was a beauty but she was lost. Just lost.
A v good female friend of mine had a serious mental health breakdown. Serious enough for paramedics, police and social workers to attend her home and oversee her (voluntary) admission into a psychiatric ward. In the female ward there were two large, well over 6ft trans ‘women’. Both were physically aggressive towards the female patients one was regularly violent and had to be restrained, repeatedly.
My friend was absolutely terrified of these two physically intimidating and aggressive patients. Being in constant, and valid, fear of assault worsened her mental health crisis.
Being locked in a psychiatric ward is frightening enough without also being scared of assault from significantly stronger fellow patients.
It’s terrible offenders convicted of sexual assault are being placed in women’s prisons but I’d say the women in psychiatric wards are even more vulnerable, and I’ve not heard ANYONE mention this.
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The people allowing men in women's psychiatric wards need to be involuntarily commited themselves. Absolute insanity!
One of the speakers at Posie Parker’s ‘Let Women Speak’ events spoke about this from personal experience. It’s horrendous.
Excellent point. And cogently written. I have two relatives who worked in psych wards, in two different US states, and both were routinely attacked by aggressive patients. It's a real problem even without sending trans men into women's wards.
@@RB-jl2qb I’m glad to hear it’s being raised and Posie is aware of the issue. It’s terrible other women have to go through such fear.
My friend is mulling over going to speak with her MP about it. I’ve offered to accompany her.
My 23yo son is fairly openly bi. As a child, he was seen as "effeminate" by some, though I prefer to think of him as sensitive. Some of my friends even poked me with an elbow, to whisper, usually jokingly, "your son is gonna be gay". To which I usually, laughingly responded, "So?" 😊
When he was five, he was the only boy invited to a female classmate's princess birthday party. By 7 or 8, he was putting on my pink bathrobe, wrapping a towel around his head (like me, after a bath), and goofing around, saying things like, "I'm a little girl!", and literally prancing around the house. And even in a room full of "boy stuff" and Spongebob bedroom decor, he had asked for a few "girly" toys, which I got for him (over the veiled discomfort of his stepdad/my ex.
At 12, he came out to a whole room full of supportive family and friends, that he is bi. We all pretty much responded like, "um...yeah...we know" lol. Of course, gay and bi are not the same, and we didn't know which, but most of us...especially me...figured it was one or the other. 😉
The point is, if you asked him, he would never claim he was really a girl, inside. He would, in fact, shoot the idea down, with good-natured chuckles, because that's just the kind of dude he is. And, to this very day, he identifies as bi, and male.
He didn't need to "become a girl", in order to be, and feel like, himself. And I do feel that that is because he got the clear message, growing up, that he could...and absolutely should, be who he is, regardless of any gender stereotypes, and that, to those who love him (so many of us), he's just...himself!
I think this whole trans thing, comes from a possible combination of a serious lack of healthy self-acceptance, often owing to an environment, wherein tolerance and acceptance of anything outside of "traditional" heteronormative values. Their self-worth is shot to hell. And maybe, no one ever told them who they are is acceptable, in literally any body. I don't know. I just know that, looking back, my own son could have ended up as a trans-woman...and that, knowing him, he would likely have come to regret it, and maybe even hate himself even more.
I'm not transphobic, nor do I hate trans people. I think they are deeply wounded, under-loved, undervalued,and ultimately struggling, even to accept themselves.
And I feel that most of these people need serious help, that they will likely never seek, much less receive. I even think there should be a requirement, that these individuals go through a minimum of 6 months, maybe a year, of deeply intensive psychotherapy and childhood trauma processing, *before* receiving hormones/puberty blockers, or reassignment surgery. I know that many disagree with that. I also know that my/my son's experiences, do not represent the whole of everyone's experiences...nor do I profess otherwise.
How would I feel if, despite all of my efforts to raise a self-confident, self-loving, self-respecting son, who genuinely cares about others, he had ended up becoming a trans girl/woman? Well, he would still have the same heart and soul...and "she" would still be my child.
This trans stuff is not the core issue. It is a symptom, of something which has been ignored, and finally cannot be ignored, any longer. And until we find that root, weeds will continue to grow out of it. 🤷♀️
Did you know?!? : until gender ideology and "informed consent" took hold there was a protocol for people to be able to transition (WPATH guidelines) that required a person receive a minimum amount of therapy and get a referral in order to start hormone therapy, be on hormone therapy for at least a year before any surgery and live as the opposite sex for a year before surgery.
Surgery for male to female patients used to be difficult to obtain and people were often turned away. One of the prominent surgeons in the US has come out stating puberty blockers, hormones and surgery for kids is ill advised. Unfortunately that was after she operated on several young people.
And that is the main issue. Parents are scared to say know and guide children anymore.
And the fact you're desperately trying to convince yourself and others (for validation like every other cxnt on here) that if your son was magically a girl that you'd go along with it because you're so supportive and nice awww! How lovely, stunning and brave of you to be so so accepting of top tier delusion that poisons society 🎉🎉
Great story and hats off to you.
Saw a podcast that said trans are basically just narcissists using it for attention. It certainly seems that is the case given the fuss they make about their rights over real women's rights and the "pay attention to me I'm more special than you" behaviour.
And how many thousands of people will be lead down the path of madness and then realize they have been used for profit? Tragic.
Yea? Tell me? How many? Because none of the research is showing it and has shown it ever.
The regret rate has been at an all time low for decades now, and is around 0,8 to 1% of transpeople who underwent hormone replacement therapy or surgery.
Other wards in a hospital would kill for such a high success rate among their patients.
Also: Transpeople have not been existing for the past 10-15 years, they've been treated with some of the very drugs now questioned for their "supposed lack of safety" for more than 3 decades now in The Netherlands (the first gender clinic that also treated children opened up end of the 80's beginning of the 90's). What did we see in a research paper in 2014 I think it was that followed a lot of the first children treated there?
0,8 to 1% of people regret having taken hormones or having surgery performed (I can't recall if there has ever been a distinction made in research between whether people have taken hormones more and regretted that before surgery of there are more people regretting surgery afterwards).
It concluded that a little over a 1000 people if I remember the numbers correctly (the research has been put behind academic credential requirements ever since the VU Medical Centre redesigned their website unfortunately) from 1990 to 2014 were doing fine.
It's not a path of madness, and if anything: people are mostly leading themselves, a doctors is not going to provide a forceful entry into treatment someone might not need...
Stop believing the bullshit that Helen Joyce feeds you: she is a transphobe and definitely not a researcher.
I'm a former gym rat and before that, I was an athlete. The only time I had to skip the gym was for injuries and illnesses. I never dreamed that I'd have to stop going to the gym indefinitely because gyms and their management teams let creepy, greasy, perverted men into the women's locker rooms where they'd gawk, turn around to look and compliment me when I was bent over. The gym was my second home and now it's a place I can never go again because there aren't any more women's locker rooms. Really makes me sad. But I'll be dammed if I let another man around me like that when I'm undressed.
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It's disgusting what these gyms have put in place.
@@jayjee735 My mate went to one & there was a trans identified male in the female locker room. Maybe they recently changed their policy at B's.
@@zenbumblebee I'm specifically talking about Crunch Fitness and LA Fitness. I called the latter's customer service after I canceled my membership and they told me that if men claim to be women, they are women and can come in. It didn't matter what the man did...they didn't even acknowledge the situation or details. It was all about the man.
I’m a gay man and recently have been harassed by trans women. If they come on to me I’m afraid to rebuff them because I’ll be accused of being transphobic and could lose my membership. It’s damned if you do and damn if you don’t. I try to not make eye contact. It’s a weird time to be alive and be a progressive liberal.
Helen is a true hero for being brave enough to put herself into this fight. So reasoned and compassionate. Here is a worthy role model for young girls and women.
There however is an avoidance of how many perverts there are male and female, and QT is dodgy at source it is not simply that it 'attracts' peadophiles. Reading SOGIESC including Yoyagarta scream pro-ped to anyone intelligent and open.
Helen is an idiot.
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@@frostynight7746 not sure why you chose this thread to derail… but. i think she went into plenty detail on this. She’s comprehensive in everything she brings up. She spoke of statistics. She recognized outliers (sex offenders) who dont ever get caught. She acknowledged the lack of reporting and convicting in the judiciary system. She acknowledged that there are very few women in the system with sex offenses. Idk what you mean by “dodgy at source” but you need to remember that this is a spoken conversation and not a written essay. Have you read her book? I’ve no doubt she’s compiled her sources there.
For those wondering about the fetishization of crossdressing it actually had a term they didn't bring up. it's called "autogynephilia" it's a pretty well understood thing.
The love of wanting to dress vaginal. What a strange word!
Yes It used to be very well talked about, molly houses and what not. But now it's been hidden. Very odd. How society has hidden it now and pushed the idea identity only
A lot of those people are attracted to the opposite sex too.
Yes. Well mentioned.
@jimmi A very true, the non autogynophilic trans women tend to be gay men who have either internalised homophobia or they are performing a 24 hour drag act like Dylan Mulvaney
I agree 100% with this highly intelligent and very tuned-in woman.
She makes an interesting point: When you see male to female trans, they tend to go about their days in quite the beauty-centered and sexualized type of female role, while female to male trans tend to just simply not be women, and stop short of pursuing alpha-type maleness.
Agree with you, I've noticed that too. I have a trans friend and they're honestly upset about how an extremely vocal sub-portion of the community has trivialized the pain and trauma of dysphoria and sexualized the rest of the trans condition. And from what I can tell, it's that sexualization that is worrying the majority of my conservative friends. We're NOT moving away from objectifying others by letting things play out as we are. NO ONE deserves to hurt, but the fact that this entire issue is becoming institutionalized into FOR PROFIT companies worries me.
Time and time again shows the powerful is willing to use any situation and allow "anything" to happen in order to consolidate power and make a profit. And if they can trick us into thinking we're "doing the right thing, for others" en masse, they'll sure as hell abuse it.
@@wren7195 BECAUSE. IT'S. A. FETISH.
I had a M to F trans friend about 15 years ago, a long time before any of the woke stuff happened, and she was dysphoric and yet she never behaved the like trans people today. She never stopped being herself. She wore trousers, continued to go hiking, still was attracted to women, etc. She didn't ever sound female till much later in her transition (and she eventually had the full op and was happy to tell me every gory detail because I asked out of curiosity). She never stopped being herself, she just changed how she presented and did not fetishise being trans. She even gave herself a very normal name. There are genuine trans people out there who are not on a bandwagon, who do have dysphoria and choose to deal with it by transitions - just that this is a much smaller percentage than we are seeing right now.
dunno, i am such a trans but i grew up with a mom that couldn't care less about dresses, make up and perfume, so i'm little different most days i guess. i use a bit of eyeliner. There's a few that go hyperfemme, especially the start of transition. And even then it strikes me it's usually the older transitioners that seem to have a sexual interest from their talk alone. I came to think of them not as transsexuals but autogynophiles, fetishists. Some you do indeed see walking around in fishnets, high boots, ugly big fluffy sweaters that make them look like a 90's prostitute. Early transitioners usually tend to look awkward and unrefined by comparison but many learn and don't try to stand out. much. Different again in the scope of nonbinary persons. But i can't just say the same about the 50+ people that start transition. I wonder what took them so long often, especially since trans healthcare became truly established here since the 1970's. They're pretty much exclusively 'lesbians' of course. Always feels a bit weird and iffy.
No woman can be an alpha male. But a man 'might' be able to look the part
On the issue of men in women's prisons, it's not just the prisoners who suffer. The former (now retired) governor of Cornton Vale prison, Scotland's only women's prison, pointed out that the policy meant that her female staff were expected to carry out intimate searches on male inmates, to which they strongly objected. She relayed their objections to the Scottish Prison service chiefs, adding that she supported their objections. According to her, the Prison Service simply responded "You are not being helpful". More recently I heard (if it's true) that another female prison officer was required to carry out suicide watch on an inmate, and every time she looked in on him he was deliberately masturbating. To me this is clear abuse by the prison service of their own staff.
Evil.
I think they're throwing in the cat amongst the pigeons. We've already seen in the USA how a trans prisoner impregnated two female inmates. Another trans prisoner raped and sexually assaulted several female inmates. At the end of the day the people who get blamed for this are prison staff and not the powers that be who made the decision to house males amongst the females. They make decisions without having to suffer any of the consequences for it.
Not forgetting the female prison officer who was raped by a man posing as a woman....
I don't understand why at least half the male prison population doesn't decide to say they're trans just so they get to be around women and get to have sex, especially those who are doing hard time.
@@Gitn2it Those applications are coming. Some have already been made. Notably amongst the prisoners doing time for rape. and other sexual offenses. Also, I have yet to read about a transman applying for transfer to the men's side.
"we need to get the language back!"
This is so damn true. Well said.
Excellent interview. Thx!
Helen Joyce is great, she strips this stuff down to the bones in unambiguous language. Love it!
My daughter went to a prison in Gloucestershire called Eastwood Park. It was full of damaged, hurt females who wore physical, mental and emotional battle scares inflicted by the violent males in their lives, past and present. As a result, many were violent towards each other because their empathy was low. All were unfeminised by the system they inhabited which was dominated by unkind female wardens/guards. Adding a sexual predator into that environment would be the deepest cut...
lol leave it to a woman to point at a place designed to house FEMALE CRIMINALS and the first words out of your mouth are blaming men for how they got there. Of course, cause personal responsibility and accountability are alien concepts to you people. Anyone who isn't a straight white male can do no wrong, EVER!
I had a “tough girl” tomboy phase as an adolescent, and my sister in law told me to my face that I should be trans if I was tough and not wearing pink. She was convinced that I should have cut off my breasts and become a boy, even though I’m happy with my gender and always was proud to be a girl, all due to not fitting gender norms.
I had to sit her down and have a long talk to her about stereotyping and how it isn’t nice to force labels onto people. She was 20 at the time….
That is something that deeply concerns me. My elder sister was a real tomboy... still is :) Happier in jeans and cap and loves DIY and mechanical stuff etc but she is also completely a woman. She is in her 50s now but I wonder if when she was feeling rebellious as a teenager (and she really was back then) if someone had suggested the reason my parents and her were butting heads or the reason she didn't get along with girls her own age as much as she did with lads was that she should be a boy it could have had real power of persuasion over her. I have two girls and a lad ajd like all people they are different in their interests and outlook. In some ways they conform to cultural norms in other areas they don't. I personally think that is pretty much par for the course. yet I see the natural yerning to be noticed and stand out (especially as they become more popularity aware) and I really worry that people will suggest to them something that will lead them into making consequence laden decisions which I can't protect them from.
I just hope they at least make it to adulthood so they have developed their own reasoning and logic based on experience before anyone gets their teeth into them. so hopefully they will have the sense of self well enough ingrained to do what you did and say actually I know who I am and I can handle it thanks.
My husbands mother who is in her late 60’s also thinks this way.
Because said relative doesn’t wear “girly” clothes just always t-shirt, jeans and trainers, likes climbing trees and is active, she thinks she should have been born a boy. She said this to my children. I told her the kid was perfect the way she is, leave her alone.
I hope her opinion about the trans identity was changed. Jesus, if she has kids, she would be one of those parents who encourage trans surgery (an operation that is more extreme than female genital mutilation)
Stay away fgom that duster inlaw. Abusive making you doubt yourself. Put down strong boundaries x
@@educational1651you should make it clear to the mother-in-law that she is wrong about her assumptions!! That girl is a girl!! That is that!! And don’t let her influence your children!! Just tell her to leave your children alone!!
These interviews are just getting better!!
Thank you for having Helen on
Fantastic interview!
29:00 is when my draw really dropped. It hit the problem on the head, banning a woman with actual experience from Twitter for a reasonable response to an inappropriate comment from a trans gender person who's more important than all women, bar none. Just be happy without bending the world around you by demanding everything woman who feared your birth gender walking home from a bar after a fun night of making sure their drink wasn't spiked have and value, like bathrooms and sports teams. And *ESPECIALLY don't recruit vulnerable children to make you feel validated by numbers* 😥
Here in NZ just five hours ago, hundreds of 'pro trans rights' activists who turned out to oppose Kellie-Jay Keen Minshull instead celebrated forcing her to leave the country under police protection having been pelted with tomatoes and sauce before she even SPOKE and THEY'RE THE GOOD GUYS? The worst thing is every article calls her 'anti trans' but I can't find any evidence for her being anything other than 'pro woman' and 'anti puberty blocking and messing up children'. And this is what they do isn't it, it's like Disney race swapping cherished centuries old classics and calling us racist when we object. The 'good guys' are the most prejudiced, entitled, mean, nasty, rude people I've ever encountered and they feel entitled to act abhorrently because they think they're on 'the right side'. Really? We're fcuked. We're absolutely fcuked.
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Yes. The “be kind” “right side” have no idea how monstrous they are or realize the horrific things they’re doing to women and children.
If you lived in NZ a long time, what happened with that situation, was the right of the NZ public to reject a speaker and her speech.
It is no one's business outside NZ how NZ develops as a nation, and especially when we had fierce debates about this years ago.
I mean, 20 freaking years since Trans rights were legal, and now you have an issue?
What does some British woman know about NZ, and its societal history over the last 50 years, when it she has had no contact, until Brexit happened?
I can tell you, every Kiwi woman was seething at some imperialist female bigot coming in to tell them what to think, as she tried to. Still less when we had a Trans MP in our parliament that showed the entire population, what a few like me knew growing up; that they could live peacefully with the rest of our society, with no issue, and even more ironic that she was elected by the right.
I mean, we had a fierce debate the next Monday by two female MP's on a morning news show over those events. I have to say, the unanimous views 20 years ago was not the ACT MP's views, but the Green MP's ones, and that is both sides of the Treaty divide, and that has not changed, and is cross generational. Particularly after the Trans MP's speech on sexual assault.
"WE are creating a mental health crisis amongst children." Helen is right on the money there. The same is happening in the U.S. We need to step up to the plate & fix this.
Kids are our future. Its so very sad..all they have had to go through with being away from their friends during covid..or not having opportunity to establish relationships with their peers. That's all been bad enough and add ALSO, in their difficult puberty stage of life having all this Bullshit in their faces on the daily! It is maddening! and saddens me so much because turning it around will be very difficult if not impossible. Medical malpractice is a criminal act and those responsible should be treated as such. They are the ones who should be very very careful about their 'professional' credibility.
Helen is wonderfully articulate and acute. A classic Triggernometry interview. And, as she says, and as we have known for some years now, all our institutions are rotten.
All our institutions are rotten because they're populated by narcissists and run by psychopaths. That's not hyperbole. People have been pointing out for years that we are in an epidemic of narcissism. Well who do narcissists promote as leaders? Psychopaths. Why? Because narcissists admire psychopaths. They aren't just tolerating them, they like and look up to them. We can't move forward until we recognize and accept that.
Shes great but she is wrong on one point she made. She said "trans women are no more violent than normal men, and no higher risk for sex offences"
Thats not true, There was a recent study of UK prisons, and only 12% of the male prison population had a history of sex offences, compared to 60% of trans women.
So in the prison population, transwomen are 5x more likely to have sex offences on their record than normal men. A majority of trans women in jails are there for sex offences.
@@tubester4567 Is it not rather the other way round? Not that 'trans women' are more likely to be sex offenders but that sex offenders are more likely to see the advantages of 'identifying as women'.
My answer to this - until all this nonsense is stamped out - would be that no sex offender who decides he is a woman would be eligible for parole since he - quite obviously - hasn't addressed or acknowledged his offending behaviour. I suspect the numbers would go down pretty dramatically then
@@tubester4567 You are right. The authority for this is Fair Play for Women in 2019 and 2020. But diplomatically.... perhaps she is right to downplay this fact.
I met a male teen, let's say on the gender spectrum, some days ago and the encounter was weird. He was talking with a really high pitch, as if he was trying to speak like a girl, but he had men clothes and a short haircut. But at some point he laughed, and since laughter is often uncontrollable, I heard his much lower normal voice pitch, the kind of low voice I would expect from a teen who's voice matured. He seemed aware of that involuntary mistake and immediately returned to the high pitch. I rarely have such encounters where I live and in my social circles so that was weird for me.
Maybe try and perform some introspection on why you felt weird. Because I am reading a lot of projection, while you fail to realize how the other person might have felt. Because I to can feel uncomfortable due to a mistake I make as a transwoman.
When I read your message (and I will say the tone of it is...a lot less aggressive compared to the bigotry in other comments underneath this video which, given the person in the video should not surprise me anymore, but still) I mostly hear: I was irked out by someone I could not put a label on immediately regarding what their birth sex might have been, and that made me uncomfortable."
This woman is doing a very important thing by speaking up about this ... she is challenging the narrative for the sake of the people being damaged by the falsehoods being pedalled as "truth".
Excellent obvious points Helen. The validation of uninvited men impacting on women, safeguarding & single-sex spaces - and women are never asked. And the rest…
Well said Helen. As a woman all I can say is ‘we were never asked’. It was assumed we’d accept men into our spaces. We fought for years for these things and now we’re losing it all. And I’m so disappointed that more women aren’t shouting about it. But I suppose getting doxxed, attacked or trolled becomes too much
You were never asked? You spent 100+ years fighting a gender war. This is all feminist ideology, primarily from women scholars in women's studies departments. Did any of this happen while you were allegedly oppressed?
I'm kinda not surprised more women don't shout about it to be fair, look at JK Rowling, all she did was mention some legitimate concerns she had with how this situation was playing out (concerns that have since actually come to pass repeatedly) and it's now considered a forgone conclusion that she's an absolute monster, I don't particularly like JK Rowling I think she's a bit of a gobshite to be honest but I do feel for her in this case because she has basically been made an example of in a very insidious way, a way that I'm pretty sure a lot of women have seen and taken on board, it's just lucky that there have been more women since who have seen what's happened and won't be intimidated by potential repercussions
is is exactly fear generated from actions like those you mention. We are desperate not to be labelled as bigots because we believe that is not accurate and do not want others to think that about us. We are also eager to work and make a living and even a very mature conversation on this subject is fraught with peril because it can imply a breach of respect and inclusion charters, policies and laws which can therefore make it legal to dismiss you. For some who work in the popular sector like media comments (even fairly mild this is just my opinion) on this can lead to organised efforts to 'cancel' you which can directly affect you ability to put food on the table and pay your rent.
This is why I never try and tell the other side to shut up because I realise the threat of silence that has been levelled at me and I think society is dumber for it. (Meant in the sense we are intellectually less clear but also that we've lost the ability to speak).
@@TheOriginalFishPond the feminist movement has literally been infiltrated by misogynistic men.
as a man, I say you deserve it. You never stood up for men losing their male only spaces, or for being harassed and abused for flirting with women which is what men need to do to find a parnter, since women pick from men who flirt, and men have little power in choosing a mate unless they're wealthy and famous. I dont want to come save you. Women said the sexual revolution would be good for men and women, but it hasnt been. After the 90s its been terrible for men, and men are havign less access than ever before, because of the disdain women have for common men. Meanwhile, the top 10% of men have all the access they want, and can have multiple women share him because they prefer that over the less attractive less wealthy men. No, I do not want to help women when they have destroyed the social contract for men.
I so appreciate this woman. She still has common sense and knows how to think critically without relying on mere ‘feelings’. Feelings are dynamic and change constantly, but facts and being realistic is not at common anymore.
Without relying on mere feelings? She is doing exactly that you know? Fearmongering about a subject she definitely doesn't know a lot, or refuses to say she knows a lot about because of how it could hurt the grift. She is spreading hate and lies about a community, suggests there's medical malpractice going on, on a grand scale it would hit the press so hard you wouldn't believe it, and you have the guts to suggest she is not praying on feelings?
She is. She is the example of talking to people's underbelly and have them respond on the fear she tries to instill in them.
And you are unfortunately falling for it.
This is disinformation. This is hatred, this is a bunch of lies.
Yes, I know it's like talking to a wall underneath a video of such a platform that likes to give transphobes such a massive voice each and every time again, but I am fucking sick and tired and won't shut up about it anymore.
Our rights are not up for discussion based on disinformation.
As someone with undiagnosed autism until my late 30s, I wondered if I was gay, or trans. I never fit it, I hated my body, I had OCD, anxiety and depression. I couldn't build connections with people. People were constantly put off by me. People assumed I was gay. If I grew up today, I am 100% confident that would have thought I was trans, got the surgery, and then ended my life. And it genuinely breaks my heart knowing that children growing up in the EXACT SAME problems I grew up with, are now being put on a "compassionate" pipeline that will lead straight to their death. It's not about saving kids lives, it's about feeling apart of progress, and that should haunt us.
Never had so much as points on my licence - yet, but the thought of a woman, regardless of her crime, locked in a prison with a trans woman absolutely boils my piss and it has to stop!
You mean man, men aren't any type of woman.
What I also found out - they did a study and a disturbing amount of women in prison were found to have suffered traumatic head injuries at some earlier point in their lives. It's down to their backgrounds, most are working class, most have dealt with a b/ u /se. So they literally are a group of women with brain injuries inflicted by m / en.
And these are the women they want to trap in showers and in cells, with men opportunistic enough to self-identify into the female estate? Have they lost their minds? It's inhumane. Highly vulnerable group of women, trapped in a place they can't escape from. They already get SA/r* by male guards as it is. It makes me sick.
Also apparently the women now know if they try to complain about their "t* women" cell mates, they get punishments / revoked privileges in the prison, so their life is just made more miserable, on the grounds that they're being "bigots" to these men 🙄
eta: Absolutely, males who want to present as women need to be somehow protected WITHIN THE MALE ESTATE. You do not solve the problem of 1 vulnerable group (men who identify as t*) by inflicting a load of harm and risk on another already vulnerable group (women). Men who identify as t* need their own wing in the male prisons. Men need to sort this out - do not offload this problem onto women in pri / son. You are guaranteeing these women will get r* -ed and SA'd by some of these men. It has already happened in fact (look up Karen White, t* woman who SA'd multiple women). The only question is, how many times does it need to happen before it is stopped?
Same. No woman in my family has ever been imprisoned, and hopefully none ever will. Yet what is being done to the poor unfortunate women who wind up in prison (usually on account of being poor) absolutely infuriates me. This is always the point I lead with when someone asks me about the trans issue.
Despicable, isn't it
To say she is articulate, eloquent and charming is an understatement.
She is precisely none of those things- she's a grifter
I was working in Community Mental Health (in the U.S.of A.) and noticed the orders coming down from the legislature on this subject (trans rights, gender affirming care only, pronoun demands, dead names et al) and I wondered where that level of almost hysterical concern was coming from. I agree that it was in part, just lazy (as usual) legislators jumping on a social bandwagon because it was easy. Pandora's box thrown wide open and now we have a mess on our hands.
This is a brave person. Hats off to her.
Here in Germany, a psychiatrist said the trans explosion, particularly among teenage girls, is the new anorexia. Fortunately, there are still a few critical voices here, but it is definitely on the rise and ideologized. I hope it doesn't get as bad as yours. It has a lot of power. I just have an acquaintance whose mentally ill daughter (borderline, trauma, suicidal, depressed) underwent a mastectomy in a gender clinic and thinks it will solve her problems. I have voiced my concerns, but all the mother wants is to help the daughter. Unfortunately, parents are also very misled here by professionals. She would do anything to make her daughter better and the professionals tell her this is the solution. The girl of 18 now has her healthy breasts gone and I'm curious how many months or years it will be before the poor thing realizes that mutilating her body, or removing body parts, isn't a cure for her mental illness and either brings no peace within itself. It's really horrifying to watch and I'm amazed that this isn't going around the world as a medical scandal of the day. For me, this is a medical and ethical scandal beyond compare. But even here in Germany you can hardly speak out against it without being seen as transphobic. I speak against it anyway, because it is necessary. There is too much at stake and it is children and young people who are being deliberately harmed for life. And it is homosexual and mentally ill people who are sterilized here and that alone has a bitter aftertaste, in addition to the inappropriate or suppressed real help that they do not receive for their problems.
Absolutely tragic and very cruel to mislead vulnerable young people like this 😢
Considering self/ identity problems including gender and sexual are the epitome of what borderline personality organosation or disorder encompass, it's sick that psych professionals would agree she should go through with mutilating herself at 18. Acadameia has so much to answer for. I have /had a borderline organisation personality disorder (not the same as bpd, but similar experiences of self), if i was a child/youth now i think i would be on this bandwagon and boobless too. Luckily i am 32 and missed this wave.... I had alot of therapy, and through this and age i am much more comfortable and familiar with myself. I feel for kids today.
I actually think Germany is worse than the UK, at least we can talk about it.
It certainly seems to affect the same people that anorexia affected; people with a predisposition towards obsession and toward the autistic end of the spectrum (but autism has become a bit of an identity too, so I'm not entirely sure whether that term is meaningful - let's say socially awkward people). And, of the present social contagion mostly girls. Once it started trending among girls, it was a forest fire because girls tend to be more socially integrated than boys. Boys are more comfortable with going it alone and being an outsider, but girls do not feel as comfortable with being misfits, and if their friends are being trans they are more likely to be trans.
Even Jan Boehmermann was throwing around the word Terf when I saw a recent episode of his show on ZDF! I've lost a lot of respect for him. Boehmi's been captured!
As a gay man, I do fear that children who really were meant to grow up to be a nelly gay man or a butch lesbian, make some decision to change their sex. That makes me very sad. 30 years ago most trans people that I met were certifiably crazy and were mostly transvestites, then I started to meet people who transitioned and were MUCH happier afterward, now I am seeing lots of people who transition and are no happier and sometimes detransition.
Yep. Trans-activists try REALLY hard to push this idea that the ONLY push-back to "gender" ideology comes from far-right conservatives. But more and more people are seeing rejecting the "gender" stuff BECAUSE of support for tradiationally left-wing beliefs/groups- The fact that trans activists are happy to throw a mind-boggling number of "gender-non-conforming" kids (ie- kids who'll mostly end up to be gay/lesbian/bi, but not trans) under the bus, with 100% medically-unneccesary harmful, irreversable drugs, like puberty-blockers of wrong-sex hormones. (Anyone who still buys the sales-pitch of "totally harmless, reversable puberty-blockers needs to Google "Lupron side-effects". That stuff is harmful af)
Or the fact so many girls in their ealy adolescance are IDing as "trans", and then later regretting the harm they suffered from medicalization; Most 2023 liberals (somehow?) consider "gender" ideology as being part of "femninism", or at least complimentary to feminism... But EVERY SINGLE TIME the rights of the 50% of the population come up against the rights (or aften just "validation") of 0.2% of biological males/"transwomen", these "feminists" side with the much smaller mumber of biological males, every single time (sports. ANY single-sex space; bathrooms, prisons, womens shelters, etc. The way basically ALL "womens organizations" have been colonized by mtf's, who kick out any woman, who sides with women over mtf's)
Joyce is right, that trans people, esp Mtf's will sacrfice ANYONE, pay ANY price (that OTHERS usually have to pay- children, women, gays/lesbians, whoever) because of the (sex/fetish-driven) intensity of their motivations. That's why they NEVER acceppt any type compromise- It's just "submit to what we demand, 100%, no compromises.... or else you're an evil, hateful bigotted transphobe!!" (and far too many people are still terrified of that label... But I'd rather be "a transphobe" with a spine, who opposes healthy children being chemically-sterilized, than an "ally" to child-abusers...)
The same quarters of society up in arms re. This are also those who mercilessly bullied and excluded gay and non gender conforming.
This is why I do not believe there is such a thing as a trans child. There are some children who will grow up to be trans. But 19 out of 20 of little boys who like to play with dolls and makeup and “girly things” will just grow up to be gay men. Or some will even grow up to be straight men and they just like some “feminine” things. But once you put them on hormones, the decision to transition is made before they can have a full understanding of what that means.
Yes, unfortunately that's the sad truth of the matter .
Detransition horror stories are starting to come out en masse and they are incredibly sad 😞
I appreciate that she calls to the idea that the current connotation of trans children is quite homophobic.
Seriously tho, I'm a 33 yrld male and I really worry about the prisons, bathrooms, schools, about the safety of girls and women in public. I have 2 younger sisters its upsetting to actually see criminals start using "trans" and "queer" as a shield for sexual assault.
plus anyone who says that lieing to a child is the right thing to do is wrong and dangerous, never indulge the delusion.
Very rare. I live in a state where the trans trend has blown up.
I've been in the bathroom with them.
They do their business and get out same as everyone else.
What you're talking about is not a common everyday occurrence.
@songsthatarecatchy you'd be surprised how often it happens
It just goes un reported due to the fact if you accuse a trans you are labeled a bigot, and you get no justice for what happened
No not all trans are up to no good but it's a good door to use for those who just want to have easy access to people when they are vulnerable and then use it as a get out of jail free card
But my daughter either way should not have to worry about finding a penis in the restroom
Businesses can run any policy they want about their bathrooms. Businesses retain that.
The government tells Businesses what to do enough.
If you're arguing about school bathrooms then that's on y'all to look after their policies. I'm not a parent.
But we're not gonna tell Businesses what to do.
Predators are everywhere. Not just pretending to be trans. Again haven't had any issues if a crime is committed a trans would get arrested same as any other person.
There are trans sitting in jail right now.
@@songsthatarecatchy I'm glad you haven't experienced assault or felt threatened.
But some truly horrible incidents have occurred, perpetrated by "trans" men in womens spaces (and elsewhere), this is an undeniable fact. As Helen said in the interview your reasoning leads to the question - how many rapes, assaults, etc. are acceptable?
Personally I think the answer is zero.
80s " all we want is to be acknowledged"
90s "all we want is a voice"
00s "all we want is the right to be married"
20s "everyone needs to bend the knee and give us your children"
I am heartened someone actually has paid attention, it is extremely rare to read of someone accounting for this breakdown of rationality. Thank you. I personally SUSPECT it is politics amplifying the once rather innocent bedroom activities into a movement. Consider Gaza- defending American college students who are people who would IMMEDIATELY be thrown off a cliff (as per Koran, Torah, Bible) for homosexuality are DEFENDING those that would kill them immediately? (it is now Apr 2024) See how it is not about the activity, it is about exploiting the intensity and opportunity, not supporting the actual people? This shows it is not about Truth, Good, Consistency, but about exploiting any sensational matter into political powers.
Hope this helps. Keep thinking for yourself, the world needs millions of you.
Sincerely.
This discussion, just ten-minute in, has secured me as a Helen Joyce fan. I will be reading every book she has written, and will write.
Forwards and backwards I expect
I've watched every interview with her I can find and she is always intelligent, respectful and incredibly well researched
🎉
Go listen to her interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali!
@@RenegadeContext Well researched? Do you really think that her claim about medical malpractice at a school so grand it would get a clinic or ward shutdown so fast they wouldn't know what hit them there would seriously be true?
She is a transphobic bigot, and she definitely should not be platformed as the expert on this subject, and DEFINITELY can't be called respectful.
The incel to trans pipeline is huge. "Women live life on easy mode". "If I can't be a Chad I'm a failed male." "Can't get the girlfriend? Be the girlfriend!"
Makes sense.
Also, as a TW, the incel can play the TW card on brainwashed young Ls who have been conditioned to believe that TWs can be Ls. Or, the young Ls just fear the wrath of their social groups for rejecting the sexual advances of a TW.
Their are stories from young Ls who say they slept with a TW because they were pressured into it by the TW and fear of the woke mob.
I agree, I have noticed that as well
Wow and the vast majority of FTMs are transitioning into beta male mode which is a brutal realization to be stuck in that nightmare.
Incels will settle for a boyfriend? Is it easier to get a boyfriend?
And the THING IS IT WORKS. They do get "male girlfriends" or some sort of sexual satisfaction. So there's a reward system of mental unhealth built in. They seek each other out and become co-dependent. I have 3 friends (incels), one married a trans-male so *she could get on his insurance and get on hormones. And the other just transitioned. I think because he was diagnosed with diabetes a few years ago, and hates the religion he was brought up in- so he's finding *SOMETHING he *CAN control... It's depressing and IMO nasty.
17:12 it’s funny because the idea of “transracial” makes so much more sense than transgenderism. Ethnicities are legitimately a spectrum where gender is binary.
She makes total sense!
im a young person who identified as trans for a few years and was deep in the groups, both online and offline, i also dated a "trans woman" during this time. who was exactly like any other man i'd met, except for the ideology he subscribed to and the fact he was taking pills. and theres something i want to say. its not just the sexualized clothes that do it for autogynephiles. they get if from anything to do with being female. my ex was an autogynephile and he like to imagine himself as a butch woman, because that was who he was attracted to. tomboyish girls. he definitely still wore very sexual "womens" clothes, and definitely wanted to be a woman especially in the bedroom. but that doesnt mean that a trans woman who wears a floor length skirt and turtle neck isnt still autogynephilic. ive seen a man pretending to be a hijabi woman. with huge prosthetic breasts. he most likely got off to the idea of being a voluptuous woman who was off limits. plus then you have to factor in the whole oppression olympics going on and the kind of pride that comes from being a "minority". my ex would imply he was homeless when he lived in his parents million dollar home's backyard. anyways. heres another thing. its not just AGP. though it plays a role. its a huge hatred for being male. its trauma. both for the men and the women swept up into this. i was a woman swept up into this with lifelong trauma from being female. i was never assaulted, but i still had trauma related to sex and gender just from growing up in this world. men can have that too. men can grow up and think women are beautiful and clean and that men are dirty and scary and evil. society teaches us this. of course i had trauma feeling like an object, a sexualized cute infantilized thing instead of a human being. but men can have trauma feeling like monsters, like women have sexual power and are kind and empathetic, while they think men are disgusting and horrible. these things create gender dysphoria. its issues. its issues around sex, gender, and society.
Really interesting comment. So much of it seems to be men wanting the sympathy and compassion and benefit of the doubt that women get. Just think of the way we feel sorry for "little old ladies" in a way that we don't for "little old men".
@@Tuber80 I agree it's a great comment. But do we really have more sympathy for old women than we do old men? I'd argue it's the other way around.
Appreciate your insight 👍
Very interesting insights. Thank you for sharing.
Interesting
She hit the nail on the head at the start about sexist stereotypes. We've spent the last 30 years being told not to say women are all bad drivers and now we've got men telling us they're bad drivers so they must be a women.
Thank you Helen Joyce for verbalizing what I have always felt.
A great chat & sound thinking on these issues. The whole woke ideology has come to a head. Most sane people are really tired or hearing this nonsense over & over, but it’s been exposed for what it is. In 10 years time we will look back horrified at this period in time. A whole generation has been ruined.
Just bought Helen's book Trans. I highly recommend it, she also does the narration for the book. Great start to 2023 boys!
Yes the narration adds an extra layer of quality because you can hear the author’s intellect and passion for the cause resonating in her voice.
I loved the book. I didn’t like the audiobook narration. Helen is better when she’s being interviewed
I completely agree
she explains in another interview that she had to record her narration for the book under her stairs covered in a duvet, because no audiobook recording companies would work with her due to her 'transphobia' - completely ridiculous! it's a great book and she's wonderful
It's scary to think, that had I grown up in this day, I'd have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria . I'd been through things as a child, and acted out. I loved dolls, my mom made and refurbished them. Several Halloween I went drag, as a 10 and 11 year old, and received those creepy kind of compliments. In highs cool as a goth, I wore cringe fishnets, and tight shirts. I grew out of my confusion. But today, I don't doubt I'd be pressured into embracing femininity, because I'm a white male, and those are awful. I'm certain my confusion would have driven me in this age towards transition. It hurts my heart to think about how many folks like me we'll see in 20 years when their heads clear up, if they haven't ended themselves by then.
When I was a child I used to wear my mums clothes, jewellery, and make-up all the time. I also was a goth at school, make-up, fishnets, female garments of one description or the other. Even into my late teens and early adulthood I used to wear dresses and such cause I rather enjoyed the counter-culture. Not once did I ever for a moment think I was in the wrong body though, I loved me and who I was, but because of that comfort in myself I didn't care what anyone else thought. Gender dysphoria is the complete opposite and literally no-one forces them into these decisions, it is an inner feeling of unease in yourself. So please do not misconstrue your experiences of what many many many young people go through to the genuine pain that people feel of genuinely being in the wrong physical body.
Goth subculture really does save lives. Or it would, if it could exist today in any meaningful capacity. It's really a brilliant opportunity to explore gender expression without being hounded by friends and family.
I remember seeing commercials for Barbie play sets and telling my mom “I want that for Christmas!” This was 30 years ago. And I also remember my sister was going to her dance class and had a tutu on. Me being 4, also wanted to wear one just for fun and my mom got such a kick out of it that she took a picture. Can you imagine if she had posted it on FB or Instagram today? The comments? 🤦♂️ it’s so sickening. I’m so happy I was born when I was born. Back in the 50s and 60s, entertainers used to dress up in drag for comedy acts and it was hilarious! And also, even further back when there were gender specific schools and they put on a play, the boys would play the female roles!
well said they have a right as an adult you nailed in a big nutshell
we have all gone through a time of expressing your self and ever generation before you didnt like it @@black-aliss
I had to have a hysterectomy at 30 years old due to severe medical condition. I was lucky to already have my children. I did go on HRT for a few years. I was a biological woman. There's no feeling or thinking that I'm not any less a woman.
I am sorry you had to go through that and I hope you are doing well.
I hated my body at a 13yr old. Attention on you when you don't want it, getting curves which I thought was fat. So then I wouldn't eat. I loathed myself for about a yr. Then my friends got into makeup, and being girly. And I went from tomboy to girly. Today I'm both. I like both. But I don't need to surgically change a thing about me. I'm me.
This should be shared with every school in the UK!
In the world
Jordan Peterson introduced me to Helen Joyce, and since sent me on a hunt for more of her discussions. She just makes sense. Lots of it. I wish more people were like her.
Oh there are plenty - check out Kelly J Keen, Meghan Murphy, Abigail Shrier, Maya Forestarter, Julie Bindel, Katherine Dives, Prof Kathleen Stock, Holly Lawford-Smith...the list could go on of women speaking out and publishing books on this gender nonsense.
@@melhawk1352 And Camile Paglia has been quite vocal.
I have been saying this is about sterilization of mentally ill and gay kids. It is also about lowering the age of consent for sex. If a 14 year old can commit to gender and parents can be excluded from the decision then you will be able to convince people to lower age of consent for sex and also exclude parental consent for access to the child.
So you think the parents are wanting to sterilize their kids if they are mentally ill or gay?
@@9395gbNo one said that. Don't put words in other people's mouths.
It sounds like you talk a lot of nonsense. The gender cult has nothing to do with lowering the age of consent for sex. They are completely different and unrelated topics.
@@9395gb no the government wants to manipulate people into believing that all of this is ok so that it can sterilize the mentally ill. It is population control and eugenics.
@@omp199 this is the logical outcome. If children can determine their own gender at three you are saying they are psychologically, emotionally and sexually aware. If a child can consent to irreversible medical intervention…I promise…the next argument will be that the same child should be allowed to consent to sex.
This woman is simply brilliant.
Fantastic discussion!! God, I love Helen Joyce. She’s just so rational, it soothes my brain.
She actually makes me believe this will get better. Thank you for that.
It will for sure because for once it's an issue that impacts women. That's the only type of issue society does something about.
@@HubertGeorge not only women but also children and gay people
Transgender invented by the Frankfurt school, which was full of j... they moved to washington university after nazis came to power and burned all their books. Now you have it in every university.
This was my introduction to Helen Joyce, she is amazing.
The tragedy is that in 20 years all these kids will be adults realizing that they can't procreate. And realizing that the adults around them completely failed in their duties of keeping them safe and keeping them from making bad choices. They will hate their parents for doing this to them. For taking away their ability to have children. The parents will realize that they have ended their genetic bloodline completely. They won't have grandchildren and it's their fault.
This is a huge failure on parents, and on society for voting for the politicians who are passing laws Allowing this, on teachers who encourage, on the communities that support this.
This is absolute child abuse and worse than that, it is the destruction of entire genetic bloodlines . Thousands of years of struggle for ancestors to survive just to have the bloodline ended by selfish parents, greedy politicians, sick greedy doctors, mentally ill narcissistic teachers, and ignorant woke citizens. Not one of which actually gives a crap about what's going to happen to the child when they are 40 and alone and childless.
There are no reparations that can make up for taking away a person's ability to create children.
Clear, reasoned, interesting, thought provoking - I could listen to Helen talk all day about this issue. Brilliant as always.
In short, here’s how grooming works:
Caregiver, teacher, coach, clergy, older sibling, parent or some other “trusted” adult introduces sexual topic. This is the ‘test’ boundary violation. When the child doesn’t resist or tell another trusted adult immediately (when the groomer can deny any ill will more easily), the predator then normalizes the topic, encourages curiosity, normalizes curiosity, and praises the child for ‘their’ curiosity and ‘eagerness to learn.’ (Sound familiar?)
Once this is established, the predator sexually coerces and assaults child. Predator concludes by warning the child not to tell or else the child will get in trouble, because the child was the “curious” one, and “wanted to learn,” thus assigning blame and shame to the child, and making them more cooperative for increasing abuse.
Whether the activist teachers and others are doing this intentionally or not, they need to know that they are following a pattern that predators use to groom a child. They have now normalized this pattern in a way that makes it easier for predators to step in where ‘well-meaning’ activists leave off. With their very actions they are conditioning children to be more vulnerable to manipulation by actual child predators.
Everyone needs to understand this!
Protect the children!!
Kids do need some touch stone concepts that parents, the school nurse, or other trusted adults must bring up. They need to know private areas are their own and what biology/body parts they have with names and how things work, if they feel uncomfortable in a situation to get out, and that they can come judgement free to parents/other trusted adult with questions. I have known kids that were given no introduction to sexual topics and it didn't end well. Not all parents will do their job and have the talk so we need a place for those kids to go get all the facts. The line between sex ed and grooming is intent. There is a huge difference between telling kids the facts and letting them come to their own conclusions and giving then cherry picked facts with an agenda be it trans stuff or saving virginity for religious reasons.
Sometimes it’s the parents you have to worry about. Susie Green, former CEO of the charity Mermaids, gave her son blockers and hormones before taking him to Thailand for sex change surgery at 16 because her husband “didn’t want a gay son”. Your post is excellent but we need to be alert to grooming everywhere.
@@bigsprucerabbitry6238 the mindset of this post is how we got here! For thousands of years humans managed to figure out their bodies yet so many think somehow we need this groundbreaking education. My children and grand children automatically understand their private parts are their private parts. As a matter of fact I would argue the abuse is teaching them to be open and talk about their bodies to anyone other than their parents. Abusers start by slowly introducing language and making children comfortable talking about sex in connection with their bodies. I cringe every single time I hear someone say “parents don’t always do their job” …. Who are you or who am I to say a parent must talk about these things or bad things happen? Ugh! Many parents do everything right and their children still suffer abuse from other sources.
It also explains why there is a disproportionately high number of these people in schools and now churches they do indeed need to increase their ranks that way
Probation officer here (UK)...have also worked in prisons. There is already a way that trans people are managed in prison to protect them from vulnerability. And its exactly what was said, there are vulnerable prisoner wings specifically for those who would be vulnerable to general population. They didn't need to send these trans people out to womens prison at all.
Helen Joyce is incredible. Thank you for introducing us to her and to your program. I am looking forward to both.
Agreed, on the sterilization of gay kids. I had a conversation with my boss months ago. I say it looks like these people are trying to erase gay people. Some parents would rather have a little girl who dates men, than a boy that dates men. I feel bad for these kids.
I think the gay thing is a myth. Gay is very acceptable now a days so
I don't think it that simple
And the greatest irony is that they're doing this while using the gay rights movement as a shield!
@@consciouscrypto3090 and the gays go along with it. My lil bro is gay and he has nothing but good things to say about 'trans'.
@@Madonnalitta1 ppl mean so many different things by 'trans' nowadays. Some mean the traditional 0.01% of the population kind who just want to pass as the opposite sex. In my experience, those are some of the most wonderful people I've ever met. But what a lot of people don't know (what I didn't know a year ago) is that the vast majority of people calling themselves trans now are straights with fetishes and other mental illnesses and gays who are basically being given gay conversion therapy instead of having their homosexuality affirmed. He may also not be around any female gay men pressuring him to have sex with them or have a problem with the outrageous sexual behavior around children. If he's younger, he is particularly likely to not yet have tapped into his protective instincts around the innocence of children. Bottom line, give him time. Everyone is either a TERF or a TRA eventually.
@@Madonnalitta1 there is a large faction of the LGB community that reject the new trans ideology and loathe the association.
Helen has such an excellent and logical way of explaining this. I am so grateful that she has now dedicated herself to fighting this cause .
She makes some excellent points in ways that I haven’t heard. Well said! Much respect!
I first learned about Helen Joyce a couple months ago on Twitter on a hotly debated JK Rowling post, I haven’t read her book yet but I’m so glad I got to see this interview.
This woman is so on point on this issue, unapologetic and firm in her positions, yet still compassionate towards the trans community.
Excellent interview!
always wondered why the gay community is silent on this toleration of changing to the other gender. That is, why change your identity and visage to act as the other gender? a gay male has erotic interest in same sex, this is a normal part of human sexuality, and myself and many others fought for gay acceptance. Doesn’t trans delegitimize gay by telling them they are not right as they are, but need to become the other?
"trans," as we have it now, destroys all sexual orientation, hetero, homo, except for an oppressive version of "bi". It destroys all foundations related to sex. It is a nightmare.
Check out the LGB Alliance or Gay Men’s Network. They’re speaking up but they get called hate groups and silenced in the media.
I believe you will like mrmenno here on RUclips, if you have not discovered him already :)
There is no 'gay community', *except from a local and social one.
What there is is a pro-gay political movement which is called a community by people who want gays and lesbians politicised in favour of the left.
NB: 'community', 'commune', 'communism'. No coincidence.
The gays or Lesbians who aren't politicised any more than the average heterosexual, Gs/Ls who don't see themselves as part of 'the community' (*) and don't make their sexuality their identity, they're as silent as the average heterosexual person.
You've been tricked into thinking that gay people or lesbian people are necessarily a collective, a monolith.
Check out "Gays against Groomers"
Future generations are going to look back at this gender mutilation being done to kids now with shame and disgust.
Hope we hold the monsters doing this accountable soon.
I do believe that the better way to counter this madness is not just to speak out against things, but to speak up for what you want to promote, what do you stand for.
I don’t think I have ever nodded my head so much, literally, while listening to a RUclips video
Thank you for this interview. I read Joyce's book "Trans" and recommended it to people who work in schools. Thank God for some common sense!
As a bisexual tomboy chick who keeps seeing others just like me, but much younger, being convinced that they’re trans disturbs me to no end. I relate to those who think they’re trans as teens, children, or young adults that end up regretting it and it makes me so sad to see what they went through just because they happened to be growing up just after me. I am so lucky and grateful that my parents did not try to convince me that I was trans when I was five saying I was a boy. This is a major issue that not enough people know about or realize. All these so called advocates of non-straight people don’t see the issue and instead they continue to promote this madness! They aren’t actually advocates for anyone or any thing that doesn’t align with their insane political ideology that aims to literally destroy society while pretending to be helping people. It’s all so disgusting and deceptive.
Society is very unforgiving of girls and women who seem, or look, masculine. At the end of the day, this is all about stereotypes and forcing people into them. In fact, every woman and man is their own version of what a woman or man is. No-one needs surgery. This present madness is horrific.
I don't understand their homophobia. It's okay to be a different gender but same sex attraction is evil?
@@kellharris2491 It's a passing fad. Back in the 1940s, 50s, 60s, Nearly every kid in class had had their tonsils removed. In more recent decades, hysterectomies were the thing. Loads of other examples. Medical people have their fads just like other groups. This present one is more vicious than earlier ones.
Very well said, you’re absolutely right!
These parents need to be put in jail.and the kids need to be educated. For all have sinned and come short the glory of God. You spoke very well and I hope your life is going ok. Your a woman who needs to be loved by a real man the way God intends it. So I'm not trying to sound pushy, but there alot of people who claim bisexuality, which is fine because we all have our sexual things we may or may jot enjoy or found we do. But there's one thing I learned is that God made woman for man and the man fits together with a woman, so I hope your doing ok and that you find real true love Godbless you and I am so happy that you agree and understand what this Trans movement is doing to people and our country and the world. There mutilating children and adults and it's horrible and atrocious.
It blows my mind how difficult it was for me as a 40 year old man to get my dr to sign off on a vasectomy but they’re out here just doing gender reassignment surgeries on KIDS!?!?!?
Big breasted women agrees.
Dunno bout that. Know many men who got vasectomies, no questions asked.
Tell everyone you're detransitioning, and see how many friends you really have.
Thank you Helen for speaking up for all of us women and girls, and thank you Triggernometry for bringing on guests like Helen 🙏❤️
Not meant to understand it just meant to accept it. Mic drop. She is brilliant and makes TOO much sense which is why she gets people riled up
She was right on the money. When a man (trans woman even) enters the women’s restrooms, women leave out as fast as the can . Eyes adverted heads down and skirting around.
That isn’t acceptance into women’s spaces . That isn’t a safe place
And it makes them feel powerful, i know it sounds shallow and far fetched but its exacly whats happening, they get a kink off it and it just keeps feeding in2 the addiction